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0:00:00 > 0:00:01- NOISY STREET
0:00:03 > 0:00:04- Are you alright?
0:00:06 > 0:00:07- I'm Gwion Hallam.
0:00:07 > 0:00:12- In my job, I travel with - a film crew, safe behind the camera.
0:00:13 > 0:00:17- I'll be asking if Wales - still believes in God...
0:00:17 > 0:00:23- ..but also questioning my own faith - and stepping in front of the camera.
0:00:24 > 0:00:29- This is the capital of Wales - on a marvellous, crazy night.
0:00:29 > 0:00:33- All because of Wales's main - religion. For rugby lovers, Sion!
0:00:33 > 0:00:38- Sorry. Sion the soundman - from north Wales is a football man.
0:00:38 > 0:00:42- For him, it's blasphemous - to call rugby a religion...
0:00:42 > 0:00:45- ..since it can be for people - who believe in God...
0:00:45 > 0:00:47- ..as I did, at one time.
0:00:48 > 0:00:52- Like my country, I was strong - and open about my faith.
0:00:53 > 0:00:55- I was an evangelical Christian.
0:00:55 > 0:00:57- But now, I'm not a believer.
0:00:58 > 0:01:01- I have lost my faith, - like many Welsh people.
0:01:03 > 0:01:07- But the language of religion - is still in my conversation.
0:01:08 > 0:01:12- It's a pilgrimage. - All these people are believers.
0:01:12 > 0:01:16- They go in faith, - they're true believers...
0:01:17 > 0:01:19- ..and pray that their team wins.
0:01:20 > 0:01:21- Wales forever!
0:01:25 > 0:01:28- This is the Mecca of Welsh rugby, - where everyone comes.
0:01:29 > 0:01:31- Wales! Come on, Wales!
0:01:33 > 0:01:34- Who does he support?
0:01:39 > 0:01:40- # CALON LAN #
0:01:41 > 0:01:46- In 2001, three quarters of the Welsh - still said they were Christians.
0:01:46 > 0:01:50- But the 2011 census - showed that more of us...
0:01:50 > 0:01:55- ..are rejecting Christianity than - in any other country in Britain.
0:01:56 > 0:01:58- I'll be looking for Wales's soul...
0:01:58 > 0:02:03- ..and meeting Muslims, - Christians, Sikhs and atheists.
0:02:07 > 0:02:11- If Christianity doesn't - captivate our hearts any more...
0:02:11 > 0:02:15- ..what do we in Wales - really believe?
0:02:18 > 0:02:19- Wales! Wales!
0:02:22 > 0:02:24- Watch out, boys. They know you.
0:02:25 > 0:02:28- On the street, - it was immediately obvious...
0:02:28 > 0:02:32- ..there's no escape - from Christians in Wales.
0:02:32 > 0:02:32- Thank you very much.
0:02:32 > 0:02:34- Thank you very much.- - You're welcome.
0:02:35 > 0:02:36- Christian tracts.
0:02:36 > 0:02:41- We start filming a programme about - religion and they give us these!
0:02:41 > 0:02:45- We're filming a series - on religion in Wales.
0:02:45 > 0:02:46- Marvellous.
0:02:47 > 0:02:51- A minister from Llanrumney led - the team distributing pamphlets.
0:02:51 > 0:02:53- We couldn't have set this up!
0:02:54 > 0:02:57- I'm asking the question, - does Wales still believe?
0:02:58 > 0:03:00- No, no. 0.1 per cent.
0:03:00 > 0:03:03- We say that Jesus - said you must be born again.
0:03:04 > 0:03:06- That means a new beginning.
0:03:06 > 0:03:08- In Greek, it means birth from above.
0:03:09 > 0:03:10- That's my background.
0:03:10 > 0:03:11- That's my background.- - Really?
0:03:11 > 0:03:12- Yes, it is.
0:03:12 > 0:03:13- Yes, it is.- - Come on home!
0:03:14 > 0:03:19- # Gwlad! Gwlad!
0:03:20 > 0:03:23- # Pleidiol wyf #
0:03:23 > 0:03:26- After being held up, - the match was about to start.
0:03:26 > 0:03:30- The pubs, like the stadium, - resonated with song.
0:03:30 > 0:03:35- Being late for chapel is one thing, - but late for a rugby match in a pub?
0:03:35 > 0:03:37- # I'r bur hoff bau
0:03:39 > 0:03:44- # O bydded i'r heniaith
0:03:45 > 0:03:48- # Barhau #
0:03:49 > 0:03:51- APPLAUSE AND CHEERS
0:03:52 > 0:03:55- Once it started, - the match was everything.
0:03:56 > 0:04:00- One hope, one yearning, - to see Wales beat the English.
0:04:04 > 0:04:08- Wales are ahead, but people - are celebrating as if we'd won.
0:04:08 > 0:04:12- Because we're Welsh, - people are singing hymns.
0:04:12 > 0:04:16- # For everyone who is faithful
0:04:16 > 0:04:20- # Beneath His banner
0:04:21 > 0:04:29- # Jesus has a crown - above in the kingdom of Heaven
0:04:29 > 0:04:31- # Hallelujah!
0:04:32 > 0:04:34- # Hallelujah! #
0:04:36 > 0:04:37- Only in Wales!
0:04:37 > 0:04:39- A pub and a church...
0:04:40 > 0:04:42- ..but they sing hymns in the pub.
0:04:43 > 0:04:45- We know the words and the melodies.
0:04:47 > 0:04:48- But are we still believers?
0:04:49 > 0:04:53- # Amen #
0:05:00 > 0:05:03- My journey begins - in the Amman Valley.
0:05:04 > 0:05:08- I grew up here and became - a believer while at school.
0:05:09 > 0:05:12- Soundman Sion filmed - in the back seat...
0:05:12 > 0:05:15- ..while cameraman Rhys - and I chatted.
0:05:15 > 0:05:18- The subject turned - to believing in God...
0:05:19 > 0:05:21- ..or not, as in Rhys's case.
0:05:21 > 0:05:25- You're an atheist. - You're comfortable with that.
0:05:26 > 0:05:28- Yes, I am an atheist.
0:05:28 > 0:05:31- But unlike you, - I don't feel guilty about it.
0:05:34 > 0:05:38- You're an atheist too, - if you'd admit it to yourself.
0:05:39 > 0:05:42- I'm not the believer I used to be.
0:05:42 > 0:05:45- I don't know if I'd call myself - an atheist, though.
0:05:46 > 0:05:47- It's in my blood.
0:05:49 > 0:05:53- Mam grew up here. - My grandparents lived over there.
0:05:55 > 0:06:00- Even the village was named - after the chapel, Capel Hendre.
0:06:01 > 0:06:05- Twenty years ago, most of my friends - were still chapel members.
0:06:06 > 0:06:10- Our family went to chapel twice on - Sunday and to Sunday School as well.
0:06:11 > 0:06:14- We also went to other - meetings during the week.
0:06:14 > 0:06:18- But, on returning to the area, the - chapel wasn't my first port of call.
0:06:20 > 0:06:24- They play football here - as well as rugby. Great.
0:06:25 > 0:06:27- This is Ammanford Rugby Club.
0:06:27 > 0:06:30- In Wales, there's no - escape from rugby either.
0:06:31 > 0:06:31- What's the score?
0:06:31 > 0:06:32- What's the score?- - 11-3.
0:06:33 > 0:06:33- To?
0:06:33 > 0:06:34- To?- - Newcastle Emlyn.
0:06:35 > 0:06:37- There's still hope for Ammanford.
0:06:37 > 0:06:38- Will we come back?
0:06:38 > 0:06:41- Will we come back?- - Why do you think I'm smiling?
0:06:41 > 0:06:46- We chatted to some - of the Newcastle Emlyn supporters.
0:06:46 > 0:06:52- When they heard about our journey's - purpose, they were interested.
0:06:52 > 0:06:57- Have you lost your faith, - or have you stopped going to chapel?
0:06:57 > 0:07:00- Good question. - I don't go to chapel.
0:07:00 > 0:07:04- I used to go to chapel - in this area every Sunday.
0:07:04 > 0:07:07- What about the Christian testimony?
0:07:08 > 0:07:09- Yes.
0:07:10 > 0:07:12- It's needed more than ever.
0:07:12 > 0:07:14- Are you a Christian?
0:07:15 > 0:07:16- Well...
0:07:16 > 0:07:17- I'm a chapel secretary and deacon.
0:07:17 > 0:07:19- I'm a chapel secretary and deacon.- - I profess to be a Christian.
0:07:19 > 0:07:21- PLAYERS SHOUT
0:07:23 > 0:07:25- BLEEP
0:07:27 > 0:07:28- WHISTLE
0:07:28 > 0:07:29- WHISTLE- - Jesus!
0:07:29 > 0:07:31- That's nice language.
0:07:32 > 0:07:37- A century ago, I don't think - you'd hear that kind of speech here.
0:07:39 > 0:07:41- I hadn't come to watch rugby...
0:07:42 > 0:07:45- ..but to look for something - in the club building.
0:07:45 > 0:07:50- I haven't been here for years. - I didn't come here a lot.
0:07:51 > 0:07:54- But I remembered something - on the wall by the bar...
0:07:55 > 0:07:58- ..proof of Christianity's - influence on the valley.
0:07:59 > 0:08:02- It's still here, - in exactly the same place.
0:08:03 > 0:08:05- It's the same writing.
0:08:06 > 0:08:07- 1904, 05.
0:08:07 > 0:08:09- 1904 to 1907.
0:08:10 > 0:08:12- Methodist Revival, Club Disbanded.
0:08:13 > 0:08:14- For three years...
0:08:15 > 0:08:20- ..the people of Ammanford were - too Christian to play rugby.
0:08:20 > 0:08:24- Or the influence of Christianity - was so powerful...
0:08:24 > 0:08:26- ..that they had better things to do.
0:08:26 > 0:08:27- That's brilliant.
0:08:29 > 0:08:33- The 1904 Revival - was called the Great Revival.
0:08:33 > 0:08:36- It was the largest - of all Wales's revivals.
0:08:37 > 0:08:42- About 100,000 people had - a religious conversion in one year.
0:08:42 > 0:08:44- You were sitting by the board.
0:08:45 > 0:08:48- Can you imagine - these players giving up rugby...
0:08:49 > 0:08:51- ..because God was - so important to them?
0:08:52 > 0:08:53- No, never.
0:08:53 > 0:08:54- No, never.- - But it happened.
0:08:54 > 0:08:56- Yes. But not today.
0:08:57 > 0:08:59- Have we changed?
0:09:00 > 0:09:04- It's important for the children. - I have three sons.
0:09:04 > 0:09:07- They all play for Ammanford.
0:09:07 > 0:09:11- I thought you were going - to say they all go to chapel!
0:09:11 > 0:09:13- Do people here remember?
0:09:14 > 0:09:16- I was brought up in Bethany.
0:09:16 > 0:09:21- A century ago, everyone went there. - Now, they're over here.
0:09:21 > 0:09:23- Can you see Bethany from here?
0:09:23 > 0:09:24- Can you see Bethany from here?- - Yes.
0:09:24 > 0:09:30- During my lifetime, in the 1950s and - 1960s, the Revival was still strong.
0:09:30 > 0:09:35- People knew about it and spoke about - it in chapel, as did my mother.
0:09:35 > 0:09:38- With all that emotion - and conviction...
0:09:38 > 0:09:42- ..can you understand - why they stopped playing?
0:09:42 > 0:09:46- It's hard to believe it, but - when you see the size of Bethany...
0:09:47 > 0:09:49- ..you need a lot - of people to fill it.
0:09:50 > 0:09:55- Can you imagine it happening again, - maybe in a different way?
0:09:55 > 0:09:57- My wife hopes so.
0:09:58 > 0:10:02- It's hard to believe today - that the men of Ammanford...
0:10:03 > 0:10:07- ..stopped playing rugby for three - years because of their faith.
0:10:07 > 0:10:09- But the Revival was huge.
0:10:09 > 0:10:15- Bethany can hold up to a thousand - people, like the chapel I went to.
0:10:16 > 0:10:18- I know, as well as anyone...
0:10:19 > 0:10:23- ..how powerful religion - and faith can be.
0:10:27 > 0:10:30- So I returned to Bethany - and the Band Of Hope...
0:10:30 > 0:10:34- ..to look for the boy who was - once so strong in his faith.
0:10:35 > 0:10:37- Who's going to wash your clothes?
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0:10:47 > 0:10:52- I'm going on a journey to find out - if Wales still believes in God.
0:10:52 > 0:10:56- That's why I've brought - a film crew to the Amman Valley...
0:10:57 > 0:11:00- ..where I grew up - in the sound of Christianity.
0:11:00 > 0:11:07- This is Caersalem Chapel, Tycroes, - where I was brought up.
0:11:10 > 0:11:11- There are two buildings.
0:11:11 > 0:11:12- There are two buildings.- - Yes.
0:11:13 > 0:11:16- The chapel and vestry look alike.
0:11:17 > 0:11:21- I went to Bethany Chapel, - Ammanford on weekdays too.
0:11:21 > 0:11:25- It also had a strong - evangelical tradition.
0:11:25 > 0:11:28- It was built at the time of - the Great Revival.
0:11:29 > 0:11:33- We passed Caersalem on the way, - where I used to go.
0:11:33 > 0:11:35- My parents were members.
0:11:35 > 0:11:38- I'm sure Bethany will - bring back memories.
0:11:38 > 0:11:42- I came here a lot, and - to children's clubs in summer.
0:11:42 > 0:11:44- And at Easter.
0:11:45 > 0:11:49- There was also the Band Of Hope - every week, of course.
0:11:49 > 0:11:54- Auntie Gaynor, as I called her, - led the Band Of Hope in the vestry.
0:11:56 > 0:12:00- I had arranged to meet my brother - and two old friends there as well.
0:12:01 > 0:12:05- While we waited, - I asked Auntie Gaynor...
0:12:05 > 0:12:10- ..if she remembered people who - had experienced the Great Revival.
0:12:10 > 0:12:12- Yes, a few.
0:12:12 > 0:12:16- I used to come to the Prayer - Meeting with my parents.
0:12:17 > 0:12:20- I remember Mr Beynon, - who sat over there.
0:12:22 > 0:12:24- He prayed and wept...
0:12:24 > 0:12:28- ..with tears running - down his cheeks.
0:12:29 > 0:12:33- And Mr Jones from Betws, - Willie Jones, I think.
0:12:35 > 0:12:39- There was no sign of the others, - so Auntie Gaynor made us a cuppa.
0:12:39 > 0:12:41- I went into the chapel.
0:12:45 > 0:12:50- Auntie Gaynor said that about twenty - people attend the Sunday service.
0:12:51 > 0:12:53- They meet in the vestry in winter.
0:12:53 > 0:12:56- The chapel looked in good repair.
0:12:56 > 0:12:59- It was built - to hold hundreds of people.
0:13:00 > 0:13:02- It's empty most of the time.
0:13:05 > 0:13:06- Then the lads arrived.
0:13:06 > 0:13:11- My brother Tudur, and Steffan, - whom I hadn't seen for many years.
0:13:12 > 0:13:16- He's a minister - in a Pontardawe chapel now.
0:13:16 > 0:13:20- And lastly Rhodri, - one of my closest friends...
0:13:20 > 0:13:22- ..who now lives in Cardiff.
0:13:26 > 0:13:29- I thought you might - not let us back in!
0:13:29 > 0:13:32- We must have been - a handful at times.
0:13:32 > 0:13:35- You were fine, healthy boys.
0:13:35 > 0:13:37- Healthy?!
0:13:37 > 0:13:38- Very healthy.
0:13:38 > 0:13:39- Lively.
0:13:40 > 0:13:42- That's a kind word for naughty!
0:13:42 > 0:13:43- You were fine.
0:13:43 > 0:13:48- I had fun with you. - I pretended to be cross sometimes.
0:13:48 > 0:13:49- Were you joking?!
0:13:51 > 0:13:56- I was telling Gwion that many of you - brought friends, which was good.
0:13:57 > 0:14:00- I'm not sure if it was - the Band Of Hope...
0:14:01 > 0:14:04- ..or was it a weekend - or half-term club?
0:14:06 > 0:14:08- We came here on Saturday at Whit.
0:14:08 > 0:14:12- If we brought friends here, - we received a token.
0:14:12 > 0:14:16- If ten friends came with us, we were - given a token in another colour.
0:14:16 > 0:14:18- We collected the tokens.
0:14:18 > 0:14:22- We went round town looking - for friends to come with us.
0:14:22 > 0:14:24- What were the tokens for?
0:14:24 > 0:14:26- To buy sweets? I don't know.
0:14:27 > 0:14:28- I still have them!
0:14:29 > 0:14:33- I enjoyed reading - the children's Bibles.
0:14:34 > 0:14:37- We'd call them old-fashioned now.
0:14:38 > 0:14:41- They had technicolour pictures.
0:14:43 > 0:14:45- I remember them vividly.
0:14:46 > 0:14:49- We used to have a race - to find a picture...
0:14:49 > 0:14:52- ..perhaps Moses parting the Red Sea.
0:14:54 > 0:14:59- Then we tried to see who could - shut the Bibles most noisily!
0:14:59 > 0:15:04- It's odd how much we remember, - although it's sketchy.
0:15:05 > 0:15:09- I remember a lot about - that hour on Tuesday nights.
0:15:10 > 0:15:14- I still remember the words of songs, - like "I'm in the Lord's Army".
0:15:15 > 0:15:17- How did that go, Auntie Gaynor?
0:15:17 > 0:15:19- # I'm too young to march with Him
0:15:19 > 0:15:21- # I'm too young to march with Him- - # To ride in the cavalry #
0:15:21 > 0:15:22- Gosh!
0:15:26 > 0:15:29- # I'm in the Lord's Army, - yes, sir! #
0:15:31 > 0:15:34- There's one important - thing I want to say.
0:15:35 > 0:15:39- Whatever song we sang, - there was always a message.
0:15:40 > 0:15:42- Like "Jesus came - to live in my heart".
0:15:43 > 0:15:49- That expressed the Christianity - and evangelical tradition here.
0:15:49 > 0:15:54- I remember seeing that - amongst the older chapel members.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58- Jesus was alive in their hearts.
0:15:58 > 0:16:03- The faith was real for them. Jesus - Christ was in their experience.
0:16:03 > 0:16:06- They sang the hymns - and understood them.
0:16:06 > 0:16:10- It was personal. - They had a rich faith.
0:16:12 > 0:16:13- Is Katie there?
0:16:14 > 0:16:19- It was clear that Steffan - and Rhodri still had a strong faith.
0:16:20 > 0:16:23- But we were all still competitive.
0:16:24 > 0:16:28- Someone mentioned Moses parting - the Red Sea. Let's look for it.
0:16:32 > 0:16:33- The Old Testament!
0:16:33 > 0:16:34- The Old Testament!- - Got it!
0:16:35 > 0:16:36- Aah!
0:16:38 > 0:16:39- The Last Supper?
0:16:46 > 0:16:47- Got it!
0:16:47 > 0:16:48- Rhodri!
0:16:48 > 0:16:49- Sorry.
0:16:50 > 0:16:52- You need to read your Bibles!
0:16:52 > 0:16:55- You remember the page numbers!
0:16:55 > 0:16:57- THEY SLAM BIBLES SHUT
0:16:58 > 0:17:00- I also had a strong faith.
0:17:01 > 0:17:04- I felt that Christ - had changed my heart...
0:17:04 > 0:17:08- ..in the same way that the Amman - Valley had changed for a while.
0:17:08 > 0:17:12- But it's striking how quickly - the valley and I lost that faith.
0:17:14 > 0:17:17- # Jesus came to live in my heart
0:17:18 > 0:17:22- # Jesus came to live in my heart
0:17:23 > 0:17:25- # My heart is joyful
0:17:25 > 0:17:29- # Like wave after wave
0:17:30 > 0:17:35- # Jesus came to live in my heart #
0:17:41 > 0:17:42- It's morning.
0:17:43 > 0:17:47- We're travelling to my old - secondary school to do a census.
0:17:48 > 0:17:51- Perhaps Wales's chapels - are closing...
0:17:51 > 0:17:56- ..but the percentage of people - claiming to be Christians...
0:17:56 > 0:17:58- ..is still surprisingly high.
0:17:58 > 0:18:01- I offered this opinion to Rhys...
0:18:01 > 0:18:04- ..as we discussed the results - of the latest census.
0:18:05 > 0:18:09- 57.6% of the people of Wales - still say they're Christians.
0:18:10 > 0:18:13- What exactly was - the question in the census?
0:18:15 > 0:18:18- "What is your religion?"
0:18:18 > 0:18:22- That takes it for granted - that you have a religion.
0:18:25 > 0:18:27- It's a loaded question.
0:18:27 > 0:18:31- Yes. They should ask, - "Do you have a religion?"
0:18:32 > 0:18:33- Maes Y Gwendraeth.
0:18:35 > 0:18:38- So I returned - to my old secondary school...
0:18:38 > 0:18:42- ..to ask the same question, - but in these words.
0:18:42 > 0:18:44- Do you have a religion?
0:18:44 > 0:18:46- "Our Father.
0:18:46 > 0:18:50- "Our Father, which art in heaven, - hallowed be thy name.
0:18:50 > 0:18:54- "Thy kingdom come, - thy will be done...
0:18:54 > 0:18:56- "..in earth as it is in heaven.
0:18:57 > 0:18:59- "Give us this day our daily bread."
0:19:00 > 0:19:02- The morning service hadn't changed.
0:19:02 > 0:19:07- Hearing so many children pray - was an odd experience.
0:19:07 > 0:19:10- How many of them believed the words?
0:19:10 > 0:19:15- "The power and the glory, - forever and ever, Amen."
0:19:15 > 0:19:19- Mr Thomas, thank you - for your welcome.
0:19:19 > 0:19:21- May I ask a quick question?
0:19:21 > 0:19:25- How many of you, - during the last few weeks...
0:19:25 > 0:19:29- ..have been to watch - a rugby or football match?
0:19:32 > 0:19:34- Good.
0:19:34 > 0:19:37- In the last two weeks, - how many of you...
0:19:37 > 0:19:40- ..have been in a religious building?
0:19:42 > 0:19:43- Great.
0:19:44 > 0:19:48- Few of the children went regularly - to a place of worship, it seemed.
0:19:49 > 0:19:52- Would only a few feel - that they were religious?
0:19:53 > 0:19:55- You can choose No Religion...
0:19:55 > 0:20:01- ..Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, - Judaism, Islam, Sikhism.
0:20:01 > 0:20:05- The choice of religion - was the same as in the census.
0:20:05 > 0:20:11- But we also asked about attending - a place of worship regularly.
0:20:11 > 0:20:12- CHILDREN CHAT
0:20:12 > 0:20:15- Where is the - Religious Education Room?
0:20:15 > 0:20:17- This way?
0:20:19 > 0:20:24- The children did the hard work - and sorted out the sheets.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27- Do you have a religion? - Christianity. OK.
0:20:28 > 0:20:30- What about No Religion?
0:20:30 > 0:20:34- That's quite substantial too. - It's close.
0:20:34 > 0:20:36- Are there any more?
0:20:36 > 0:20:39- Jehovah's Witness.
0:20:39 > 0:20:41- Then they were counted.
0:20:41 > 0:20:43- Christianity next.
0:20:43 > 0:20:45- 115 persons.
0:20:46 > 0:20:47- It's close.
0:20:48 > 0:20:52- To be honest, I didn't think - Christianity would be this high.
0:20:53 > 0:20:54- I don't know why.
0:20:54 > 0:20:57- There are two more. What were they?
0:20:59 > 0:21:00- Jehovah's Witnesses.
0:21:00 > 0:21:02- Jehovah's Witnesses.- - Two Jehovah's Witnesses.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06- Then we calculated the percentages.
0:21:06 > 0:21:07- Then we calculated the percentages.- - Forty-seven.
0:21:07 > 0:21:11- No Religion. 47%. Ben has - already worked it out. He's fast.
0:21:12 > 0:21:12- Christianity?
0:21:12 > 0:21:14- Christianity?- - 52%.
0:21:15 > 0:21:16- That looks right.
0:21:16 > 0:21:19- It's a little higher - than I expected.
0:21:20 > 0:21:21- Other religions?
0:21:23 > 0:21:24- 0.9%
0:21:26 > 0:21:28- 0.9%
0:21:30 > 0:21:34- Let's have the percentage of - those who go to a place of worship.
0:21:36 > 0:21:38- 16%
0:21:38 > 0:21:39- Thanks, Ben.
0:21:45 > 0:21:46- Good.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50- Those are our statistics.
0:21:56 > 0:22:01- It was revealing that more than - half the children still felt...
0:22:01 > 0:22:05- ..that they were Christians, - although they didn't go to chapel.
0:22:06 > 0:22:08- Maybe it shouldn't - have surprised me.
0:22:11 > 0:22:13- It shows once more...
0:22:13 > 0:22:17- ..that Christianity, for Welsh - people, is in our blood.
0:22:17 > 0:22:22- Like their parents, 52% of the - children say they're Christians.
0:22:23 > 0:22:25- Who am I to question their faith?
0:22:26 > 0:22:30- On the whole, that's because - they were brought up that way...
0:22:30 > 0:22:32- ..in Wales, as Christians.
0:22:32 > 0:22:35- But we haven't heard here...
0:22:35 > 0:22:38- ..about growth in other religions.
0:22:39 > 0:22:44- The number of Muslims has doubled. - How has that come about?
0:22:44 > 0:22:48- Does it stem from having a religious - background as Welsh Christians do?
0:22:48 > 0:22:52- Or are these people - brought up as Muslims?
0:22:53 > 0:22:56- We'll see. - That's where we're going next.
0:22:56 > 0:22:58- Have you got your suits, boys?
0:22:58 > 0:23:02- We've been invited - to a rather special evening.
0:23:02 > 0:23:02- .
0:23:06 > 0:23:06- Subtitles
0:23:06 > 0:23:08- Subtitles- - Subtitles
0:23:09 > 0:23:12- Apart from Jehovah's Witnesses...
0:23:12 > 0:23:16- ..Maes Y Gwendraeth's pupils - hadn't noted other religions.
0:23:17 > 0:23:21- But the last census showed that some - religions had grown in Wales.
0:23:22 > 0:23:24- The number of Muslims had doubled.
0:23:24 > 0:23:29- I received an invitation that might - give me a chance to ask about this.
0:23:30 > 0:23:31- Muslim Council Of Wales.
0:23:32 > 0:23:35- An invitation - to an interfaith supper...
0:23:35 > 0:23:39- ..in the name of the most - gracious and merciful God.
0:23:41 > 0:23:43- In the name of Allah.
0:23:44 > 0:23:48- Dress code... lounge suit, - evening dress, national dress.
0:23:50 > 0:23:51- Alright.
0:23:51 > 0:23:53- Do we have a national dress?
0:23:53 > 0:23:55- Are you going as a miner?
0:23:59 > 0:24:02- The supper was held - in Cardiff City Hall.
0:24:02 > 0:24:06- Familiar and less familiar faces - had been invited.
0:24:07 > 0:24:07- You are?
0:24:07 > 0:24:08- You are?- - Gwion Hallam.
0:24:08 > 0:24:10- Gwion Hallam!
0:24:14 > 0:24:18- It's clearly an important event. - I've just met the Chief Rabbi.
0:24:18 > 0:24:20- It took me some time to come in.
0:24:21 > 0:24:23- Security is quite intense.
0:24:23 > 0:24:25- But we're here.
0:24:27 > 0:24:31- The Wales Muslim Council - arranged the evening...
0:24:31 > 0:24:34- ..to get the various - religions together.
0:24:34 > 0:24:38- If I wanted an opportunity - to meet religious leaders...
0:24:38 > 0:24:43- ..and ordinary members - of religions in Wales, it's here.
0:24:43 > 0:24:45- There's a table for me somewhere.
0:24:52 > 0:24:56- I saw Abdul Azim, - who had invited me.
0:24:56 > 0:25:01- He was one of the organizers of the - supper and vice-secretary of MCW.
0:25:05 > 0:25:07- In a time of evident tension...
0:25:08 > 0:25:13- ..the religions of our country came - together round a table, literally...
0:25:13 > 0:25:16- ..to share a meal and experiences.
0:25:16 > 0:25:20- But before we ate, - words of welcome were sung.
0:25:20 > 0:25:22- # ISLAMIC CHANT #
0:25:38 > 0:25:42- Two girls came onstage - to read from the Koran in Welsh.
0:25:45 > 0:25:48- We Muslims believe in God - and what was sent down to us...
0:25:49 > 0:25:53- ..and to Abraham, Ishmael, - Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes.
0:25:55 > 0:25:58- There was a good opportunity - to talk during the meal.
0:25:58 > 0:26:00- I wanted to meet Muslims...
0:26:00 > 0:26:04- ..and ask about the religion - that has doubled in Wales.
0:26:05 > 0:26:09- I especially wanted to talk to - the girls who read from the Koran.
0:26:09 > 0:26:11- How are you, Sara?
0:26:11 > 0:26:13- It's good to meet you.
0:26:13 > 0:26:15- I'm Gwion.
0:26:15 > 0:26:17- So you translated that piece.
0:26:18 > 0:26:19- Yes.
0:26:19 > 0:26:21- From Arabic or English?
0:26:21 > 0:26:22- English.
0:26:22 > 0:26:27- In this series, I confess that - I was raised in a Christian family.
0:26:28 > 0:26:30- I don't really mean confess, - that sounds bad!
0:26:31 > 0:26:35- But, to be honest, I don't believe - what I used to believe.
0:26:35 > 0:26:38- Are there Muslims who - have similar experiences?
0:26:40 > 0:26:44- People practise the religion - in different ways.
0:26:45 > 0:26:47- Some people might think...
0:26:47 > 0:26:52- ..even though their family are all - Muslims, they don't think they are.
0:26:52 > 0:26:57- Or they might not practise - the faith as much as other people.
0:26:58 > 0:27:02- Personally, I feel happy with - my faith and try to practise it...
0:27:02 > 0:27:04- ..as much as I can.
0:27:04 > 0:27:06- There was more food to come.
0:27:06 > 0:27:11- Sara and Arooj suggested I come to - the Mosque on Friday to meet them...
0:27:12 > 0:27:14- ..and learn more about the faith.
0:27:14 > 0:27:18- I looked forward - to my first experience...
0:27:18 > 0:27:20- ..of praying in a Mosque.
0:27:20 > 0:27:24- But, before that, I planned to - call on my younger brother.
0:27:25 > 0:27:26- He has kept his faith...
0:27:26 > 0:27:30- ..and is a minister at the - Cardiff Welsh Evangelical Church.
0:27:30 > 0:27:31- Alright, boys?
0:27:32 > 0:27:33- This is Whitchurch.
0:27:34 > 0:27:35- I'm not going to church.
0:27:36 > 0:27:38- But I'm looking for my brother.
0:27:38 > 0:27:40- He doesn't live here.
0:27:41 > 0:27:42- Confused?
0:27:43 > 0:27:47- Trystan is a co-minister of the - city's Welsh Evangelical Church.
0:27:48 > 0:27:50- Trystan is my youngest brother.
0:27:53 > 0:27:55- His wife said he's here.
0:27:57 > 0:27:58- Hiya.
0:27:58 > 0:27:59- You locked it!
0:28:00 > 0:28:01- Come in.
0:28:01 > 0:28:03- Rhodri Jones, we meet again.
0:28:04 > 0:28:05- Can we come in?
0:28:06 > 0:28:07- I'm looking for Trystan.
0:28:08 > 0:28:09- Come through.
0:28:09 > 0:28:13- This house belongs to - my old friend Rhodri and his family.
0:28:13 > 0:28:16- Trystan was there for Bible study.
0:28:16 > 0:28:17- How are you?
0:28:17 > 0:28:18- Are you OK?
0:28:19 > 0:28:22- What brought you down - from the far north?
0:28:22 > 0:28:25- You work hard - as an evangelical minister.
0:28:25 > 0:28:28- I only work one day a week, - or so I'm told!
0:28:28 > 0:28:28- Are you OK?
0:28:28 > 0:28:30- Are you OK?- - Yes, thank you.
0:28:30 > 0:28:32- Katherine said you were here.
0:28:32 > 0:28:33- There's a house group here.
0:28:33 > 0:28:35- There's a house group here.- - We're waiting for them.
0:28:35 > 0:28:39- It's nice to study - and discuss the Bible together.
0:28:39 > 0:28:41- I was glad to see Rhodri again.
0:28:42 > 0:28:45- I was determined - to pull his leg this time.
0:28:45 > 0:28:47- He's a Cardiff FC fan.
0:28:49 > 0:28:50- Especially for you!
0:28:51 > 0:28:54- If I'd known, - I wouldn't have let you in!
0:28:54 > 0:28:57- I zipped up my coat on the way here.
0:28:57 > 0:29:00- Rhodri was a Swansea fan, years ago.
0:29:00 > 0:29:03- You took me to the Vetch - for the first time!
0:29:03 > 0:29:05- How many people do you expect?
0:29:05 > 0:29:06- It varies.
0:29:07 > 0:29:09- Sometimes, five or six come.
0:29:09 > 0:29:14- At the end of the month, we usually - divide into smaller groups.
0:29:14 > 0:29:18- There's a prayer meeting and study - every week. More come to that.
0:29:19 > 0:29:22- At the end of the month, - we have two small groups.
0:29:22 > 0:29:24- You're kind to invite them.
0:29:25 > 0:29:29- With all the children, you have - enough for your own house group.
0:29:29 > 0:29:33- After we last met, - I went to look for photos.
0:29:34 > 0:29:36- Some were of both of us.
0:29:38 > 0:29:40- They're from years ago.
0:29:41 > 0:29:43- This is typical.
0:29:44 > 0:29:45- LAUGHTER
0:29:45 > 0:29:50- It typifies the relationship, - you making fun of me, mostly!
0:29:50 > 0:29:53- This is in the camp. The brothers.
0:29:53 > 0:29:54- Thin, handsome, with hair!
0:29:54 > 0:29:56- Thin, handsome, with hair!- - I don't think I'd woken up.
0:29:56 > 0:29:57- Was that Bryn-y-groes?
0:29:57 > 0:29:59- Was that Bryn-y-groes?- - Christian camp.
0:29:59 > 0:30:01- Bryn-y-groes Christian camp.
0:30:01 > 0:30:02- Trys, we haven't changed at all.
0:30:02 > 0:30:04- Trys, we haven't changed at all.- - Good grief.
0:30:04 > 0:30:08- I sometimes ask people, - "Do you know Gwion Hallam?"
0:30:08 > 0:30:12- They say, "Oh, yes, - the bloke with a lot of hair."
0:30:12 > 0:30:14- They still say that!
0:30:14 > 0:30:16- They still say that!- - You've transplanted it.
0:30:16 > 0:30:18- It's on your chin instead.
0:30:20 > 0:30:21- Hello. Come in.
0:30:22 > 0:30:26- People began to arrive for Bible - study, which Trystan would lead.
0:30:26 > 0:30:29- But I wanted to ask him - a few questions.
0:30:29 > 0:30:31- We'll go through.
0:30:31 > 0:30:32- OK. People are arriving.
0:30:32 > 0:30:33- OK. People are arriving.- - Yes. We'd better go.
0:30:33 > 0:30:35- Are you around tomorrow?
0:30:35 > 0:30:36- Are you around tomorrow?- - Yes. Will you call?
0:30:37 > 0:30:38- I'll be working in the chapel.
0:30:38 > 0:30:39- I'll be working in the chapel.- - OK.
0:30:39 > 0:30:42- It's noisy at home - with two children.
0:30:42 > 0:30:43- Two isn't a lot!
0:30:43 > 0:30:44- Two isn't a lot!- - I know!
0:30:44 > 0:30:45- See you tomorrow.
0:30:46 > 0:30:47- Ta-ra.
0:30:48 > 0:30:49- Right.
0:30:51 > 0:30:56- As the last person arrived, - I left them to study.
0:31:00 > 0:31:02- I've been here once before.
0:31:02 > 0:31:07- The next morning, I'm in Cathays, at - Cardiff's Welsh Evangelical Church.
0:31:08 > 0:31:10- It's open and welcoming.
0:31:11 > 0:31:12- OK?
0:31:13 > 0:31:14- Hello!
0:31:14 > 0:31:15- Trystan!
0:31:15 > 0:31:16- Trystan!- - Hi!
0:31:17 > 0:31:19- Are you OK? We've arrived.
0:31:19 > 0:31:21- I found it quite easily.
0:31:21 > 0:31:22- Good. Welcome.
0:31:23 > 0:31:25- I've been here once before.
0:31:25 > 0:31:26- I've been here once before.- - Yes.
0:31:26 > 0:31:30- The Evangelical Church - was established in 1979.
0:31:30 > 0:31:35- People met in their homes before - buying this building in the 1990s.
0:31:35 > 0:31:37- Does this place get full?
0:31:37 > 0:31:38- Does this place get full?- - Yes.
0:31:39 > 0:31:43- It gets full on Sunday mornings - when between 60 and 100 come here.
0:31:44 > 0:31:47- Most of the congregation - are families...
0:31:48 > 0:31:51- ..between twenty - and forty years old.
0:31:53 > 0:31:54- So most of the people are young.
0:31:54 > 0:31:55- So most of the people are young.- - Yes.
0:31:56 > 0:31:59- I wanted to ask him about - religious faith in Wales...
0:31:59 > 0:32:03- ..and about how different - our beliefs have become.
0:32:04 > 0:32:08- We've been back to Ysgol Maes - Y Gwendraeth, our old school.
0:32:08 > 0:32:12- 52% of the children still - ticked the Christianity box.
0:32:12 > 0:32:14- Do you find that uplifting?
0:32:15 > 0:32:19- It's always uplifting if people - know something about the Bible...
0:32:20 > 0:32:24- ..and know stories - about Lord Jesus Christ.
0:32:24 > 0:32:26- God can use that.
0:32:26 > 0:32:31- But I'm not sure if I find it - uplifting if 52 people tick a box.
0:32:31 > 0:32:34- What part does upbringing play?
0:32:34 > 0:32:38- We had exactly the same - upbringing, I'd say.
0:32:39 > 0:32:42- Why are you still a believer?
0:32:42 > 0:32:47- Upbringing must have something to do - with the fact we were believers...
0:32:47 > 0:32:49- ..up to a certain point.
0:32:49 > 0:32:50- I'm grateful for my upbringing.
0:32:50 > 0:32:51- I'm grateful for my upbringing.- - So am I.
0:32:51 > 0:32:53- I'm sure you are.
0:32:54 > 0:32:57- But there's truth in the old joke.
0:32:57 > 0:33:01- Being born in a stable - doesn't make you a horse or a cow.
0:33:01 > 0:33:06- Being born into a Christian family - doesn't make you a Christian.
0:33:06 > 0:33:09- It doesn't automatically - make you a Christian.
0:33:10 > 0:33:12- It's difficult to measure influence.
0:33:13 > 0:33:18- Praying and reading the Bible was - as natural as speaking Welsh.
0:33:18 > 0:33:20- It must have an influence.
0:33:21 > 0:33:24- Many people in the church - grew up in families...
0:33:24 > 0:33:28- ..where they heard - the Bible's teachings.
0:33:28 > 0:33:33- I knew some of the people in - Rhodri and Anwen's house last night.
0:33:33 > 0:33:38- We grew up with those families - and went to Christian camps.
0:33:38 > 0:33:42- But none of them would - say they became Christians...
0:33:42 > 0:33:46- ..because they were - related to certain people.
0:33:46 > 0:33:49- That's a denial - of the Christian faith.
0:33:49 > 0:33:52- The Christian faith claims - that it is God who changes us.
0:33:53 > 0:33:54- Influences can be fine.
0:33:54 > 0:33:56- For God to work...
0:33:56 > 0:34:01- ..I have to know the Bible and - about the life of Lord Jesus Christ.
0:34:01 > 0:34:05- I have to know about my sins - and the death of Jesus Christ.
0:34:05 > 0:34:07- We must have knowledge.
0:34:07 > 0:34:11- But we, as boys, - like the children here...
0:34:11 > 0:34:15- ..and children in chapels - without the evangelical label...
0:34:15 > 0:34:21- ..also heard about sin and - the need for forgiveness for sin.
0:34:22 > 0:34:24- Is that healthy?
0:34:25 > 0:34:27- Is it healthy? Oh, yes.
0:34:27 > 0:34:31- If you go to the doctor, - you go because you're ill.
0:34:32 > 0:34:35- Things aren't right - between us and God.
0:34:35 > 0:34:36- Yes, we are sinners.
0:34:36 > 0:34:41- Amazingly, God can change that. - He forgave our sins on the Cross.
0:34:41 > 0:34:43- How do you feel?
0:34:43 > 0:34:47- This means so much to you, - and I'm glad it does.
0:34:47 > 0:34:50- I hope I don't seem insincere...
0:34:50 > 0:34:54- ..as I undertake this journey - and try to be open about it.
0:34:54 > 0:34:56- How do you feel about it?
0:34:56 > 0:35:00- We're still brothers. - I appreciate that you still text me.
0:35:01 > 0:35:05- On my first Sunday preaching here, - you texted me to wish me well.
0:35:06 > 0:35:09- There is a brotherly love.
0:35:09 > 0:35:12- I enjoy coming to see you - and the family.
0:35:12 > 0:35:15- Of course, I'm sad - and sometimes, I weep...
0:35:16 > 0:35:18- ..because you don't believe.
0:35:19 > 0:35:21- But then I look at my God.
0:35:21 > 0:35:24- My God can change people's hearts.
0:35:24 > 0:35:28- I know people who retreated from - their faith for maybe 30 years.
0:35:28 > 0:35:30- They returned.
0:35:30 > 0:35:33- You might think you'll never return.
0:35:34 > 0:35:36- But my God, and your God...
0:35:36 > 0:35:39- ..is most able - and strong enough to do that.
0:35:40 > 0:35:43- Thanks for being ready to meet me.
0:35:43 > 0:35:44- Fine.
0:35:45 > 0:35:46- Hey!
0:35:48 > 0:35:49- Right.
0:35:49 > 0:35:50- Thanks for the cuppa.
0:35:50 > 0:35:51- Thanks for the cuppa.- - So I'm doing the dishes!
0:35:51 > 0:35:54- You can wash. - Some things never change.
0:35:55 > 0:35:57- Bye. Lovely to see you.
0:35:57 > 0:35:58- And you. Ta-ra.
0:36:06 > 0:36:07- It was good to talk.
0:36:07 > 0:36:11- Trystan felt that - his God was strong enough.
0:36:11 > 0:36:15- It was good to see that our - relationship was strong enough too.
0:36:16 > 0:36:16- .
0:36:19 > 0:36:19- Subtitles
0:36:19 > 0:36:21- Subtitles- - Subtitles
0:36:21 > 0:36:22- Have you been in a Mosque?
0:36:22 > 0:36:23- Have you been in a Mosque?- - No.
0:36:23 > 0:36:24- Sion, have you?
0:36:24 > 0:36:25- Sion, have you?- - Yes.
0:36:26 > 0:36:26- Where?
0:36:26 > 0:36:27- Where?- - Cardiff.
0:36:28 > 0:36:29- But not this one.
0:36:30 > 0:36:32- We're going to a mosque in Cathays.
0:36:33 > 0:36:36- Its congregation has grown - a great deal.
0:36:37 > 0:36:39- They sell halal food here.
0:36:39 > 0:36:41- Guaranteed halal.
0:36:43 > 0:36:45- Where now?
0:36:46 > 0:36:47- There it is.
0:36:49 > 0:36:50- Dar Ul-Isra.
0:36:51 > 0:36:53- Muslim Educational - And Welfare Centre.
0:36:54 > 0:36:58- It doesn't look like a mosque, - but I'm sure that's it.
0:37:00 > 0:37:02- You lead the way, Abdul.
0:37:02 > 0:37:07- Abdul Azim, an organizer of the - interfaith supper, is a member...
0:37:07 > 0:37:11- ..so are Sara and Arooj, - the girls who read from the Koran.
0:37:12 > 0:37:14- I was meeting them later.
0:37:19 > 0:37:22- The mosque is an old church hall - which has been adapted.
0:37:23 > 0:37:25- Only men worship on this side.
0:37:25 > 0:37:28- There is another entrance - and other rooms for women.
0:37:35 > 0:37:36- It's Friday...
0:37:36 > 0:37:41- ..the day the Koran says everyone - who can, should go to the mosque.
0:37:41 > 0:37:46- It's 1.00pm and many men have - left work to come to pray.
0:37:48 > 0:37:50- CALL TO PRAYER
0:37:57 > 0:38:00- As the Call To Prayer is chanted, - the place fills.
0:38:02 > 0:38:05- Other Muslims do the same thing - across the city.
0:38:20 > 0:38:22- SERMON
0:38:28 > 0:38:30- Dear brothers, dear sisters.
0:38:31 > 0:38:36- Abdul Azim said there - were 500 men in this room...
0:38:36 > 0:38:39- ..and 300 more men downstairs.
0:38:39 > 0:38:42- There were about 200 women - in another room.
0:38:43 > 0:38:47- Everyone heard the same sermon - on the sound system...
0:38:47 > 0:38:50- ..the same message, - to bear witness to Allah.
0:38:51 > 0:38:53- This is our work as Muslims.
0:38:54 > 0:38:57- There are men of all ages, - but many are young.
0:38:57 > 0:38:59- Some are very young.
0:39:01 > 0:39:03- MUSLIM CHANT
0:39:28 > 0:39:33- Bowing as low as this is a way of - expressing total submission to God.
0:39:33 > 0:39:36- It's a physical expression of faith.
0:39:49 > 0:39:54- It's a unique, totally - new experience for me, for us.
0:39:57 > 0:40:02- Being in a room with 500 men, - and only men, was powerful.
0:40:03 > 0:40:07- In the weekly prayer meeting - in Caersalem, Tycroes...
0:40:08 > 0:40:11- ..the men sat on one side, - the women on the other.
0:40:11 > 0:40:13- It was the custom.
0:40:13 > 0:40:17- The same as here, in a way, although - there are deeper reasons behind it.
0:40:18 > 0:40:19- There were children here.
0:40:20 > 0:40:21- But only boys.
0:40:22 > 0:40:23- That's it.
0:40:24 > 0:40:27- It's something - I'll remember forever.
0:40:28 > 0:40:31- After everyone had left, - I talked to Abdul Azim.
0:40:31 > 0:40:35- It seems to be in decline, - Christianity in Wales...
0:40:35 > 0:40:38- ..or at least - the Welsh-language chapels.
0:40:38 > 0:40:41- In Cardiff, - Islam is on the increase.
0:40:41 > 0:40:45- In Wales over the past ten years, - it's doubled in numbers.
0:40:45 > 0:40:47- What accounts for that?
0:40:47 > 0:40:51- Part of it is simply that - Muslims are a young community.
0:40:51 > 0:40:54- The population was - expected to increase...
0:40:55 > 0:40:58- ..due to the numbers who - came here in the 1960s and 1970s.
0:40:59 > 0:41:01- The children of those families.
0:41:01 > 0:41:05- Like me, a second generation - British-born Muslim.
0:41:05 > 0:41:09- There are a number of converts. - Some of them you saw here.
0:41:09 > 0:41:13- Individuals rediscover - their faith in later life.
0:41:13 > 0:41:18- Media attention does help people - be more introspective about faith.
0:41:18 > 0:41:23- Were you brought to the mosque - as a boy, like the young kids here?
0:41:23 > 0:41:25- Yes, but not here.
0:41:25 > 0:41:29- My parents took me to their - local mosque, also in Cardiff.
0:41:29 > 0:41:33- I used to come for Eid prayers - sometimes on a Friday...
0:41:33 > 0:41:35- ..if I didn't have school.
0:41:35 > 0:41:40- I was someone who came and had a bit - of upbringing in a mosque as well.
0:41:40 > 0:41:44- How do you make sure - those kids still believe?
0:41:44 > 0:41:45- Is it tradition?
0:41:45 > 0:41:47- Is it custom?
0:41:47 > 0:41:51- Is it bringing them here, - or is it something spiritual?
0:41:51 > 0:41:53- I'm sure it's a bit of both.
0:41:53 > 0:41:58- Children, brought up in a mosque, - are given the literacy...
0:41:58 > 0:42:02- ..the ability to know - how to engage with a religion.
0:42:02 > 0:42:06- Parents bring children here - so they know how to pray.
0:42:06 > 0:42:08- They know how to read the Koran.
0:42:09 > 0:42:13- Later, it becomes something more - than just culture and tradition.
0:42:13 > 0:42:17- It might become - a meaningful connection to God.
0:42:18 > 0:42:20- That option's there for them.
0:42:20 > 0:42:24- The girls are somewhere else. - Perhaps you can show the way.
0:42:24 > 0:42:26- Sure. Let's grab our shoes and bags.
0:42:26 > 0:42:27- Sure. Let's grab our shoes and bags.- - Yes.
0:42:27 > 0:42:29- Diolch yn fawr.
0:42:33 > 0:42:35- CHANT ON LOUDSPEAKER
0:42:42 > 0:42:44- After finding Sara and Arooj...
0:42:44 > 0:42:48- ..there was another call - to prayer on the loudspeaker...
0:42:48 > 0:42:51- ..the fourth of five daily prayers.
0:42:52 > 0:42:53- Was that the Call To Prayer?
0:42:53 > 0:42:54- Was that the Call To Prayer?- - Yes.
0:42:55 > 0:42:56- There's another one now.
0:42:57 > 0:42:59- Yes. It calls everyone together.
0:42:59 > 0:43:01- They're starting to pray.
0:43:01 > 0:43:02- Yes.
0:43:03 > 0:43:05- But only indoors.
0:43:06 > 0:43:07- Yes.
0:43:08 > 0:43:10- In Muslim countries...
0:43:11 > 0:43:13- ..they have loudspeakers on towers.
0:43:14 > 0:43:16- Everyone can hear it.
0:43:17 > 0:43:21- Does that happen - in a mosque in Cardiff?
0:43:21 > 0:43:22- No.
0:43:23 > 0:43:26- Only people in the mosque hear.
0:43:27 > 0:43:29- People have speakers at home.
0:43:30 > 0:43:32- In our house, we have a radio.
0:43:33 > 0:43:39- When the Call To Prayer comes, - it's on the radio in our house.
0:43:42 > 0:43:46- After the prayers ended, I asked - them why they were believers.
0:43:46 > 0:43:49- You're both from Cardiff.
0:43:52 > 0:43:56- Are you Muslims because - you were brought up as Muslims?
0:43:57 > 0:43:58- At first, yes.
0:43:58 > 0:44:00- We grew up with the faith...
0:44:01 > 0:44:03- ..that we're Muslim.
0:44:04 > 0:44:09- Mam and Dad told us we're Muslims - and should learn certain things.
0:44:11 > 0:44:13- I went to Islamic School.
0:44:15 > 0:44:20- But it's only now I've started - reading into my religion.
0:44:22 > 0:44:24- I attend lectures here...
0:44:25 > 0:44:28- ..and really pray, - if that makes sense.
0:44:30 > 0:44:34- I feel in my heart that - this is the right religion for me.
0:44:34 > 0:44:37- This is the one - I want to follow in my life.
0:44:37 > 0:44:42- Why do you think the number - of Muslims has doubled?
0:44:42 > 0:44:45- It might be because - there are a lot of bad things...
0:44:46 > 0:44:48- ..about Muslims in the news.
0:44:48 > 0:44:52- Maybe people are looking into - the religion...
0:44:53 > 0:44:56- ..to see if it's as bad - as the news makes it sound.
0:44:57 > 0:45:01- Is it perhaps because - Muslims are more devout...
0:45:01 > 0:45:06- ..and also that they are a minority, - whereas Christians are everywhere?
0:45:07 > 0:45:09- If you're not in a majority...
0:45:09 > 0:45:12- ..you have to make more effort...
0:45:13 > 0:45:16- ..to understand - your religion and culture.
0:45:17 > 0:45:20- Sara and I went - to a Welsh-medium school.
0:45:21 > 0:45:24- We weren't in the majority at all.
0:45:24 > 0:45:28- Are there other - Welsh-speaking Muslims here?
0:45:28 > 0:45:31- Not in this mosque. - We're the only ones.
0:45:31 > 0:45:35- Our families began going - to Welsh-medium schools.
0:45:35 > 0:45:38- When I was in school, - there weren't a lot.
0:45:38 > 0:45:43- But in Welsh-medium schools now, - there are many more Muslims.
0:45:43 > 0:45:47- So it's becoming more of a part - of the Welsh community too...
0:45:47 > 0:45:49- ..as well as within - the Muslim community.
0:45:49 > 0:45:53- So, in this series, if I ask if - Wales still has religious belief...
0:45:53 > 0:45:56- ..what would your answer be, Sara?
0:45:56 > 0:45:57- Yes.
0:45:58 > 0:45:59- Yes.
0:46:02 > 0:46:06- The Muslims I met - had strong beliefs...
0:46:06 > 0:46:08- ..and were loyal to the mosque.
0:46:09 > 0:46:12- Unlike many Christians in Wales...
0:46:12 > 0:46:16- ..their faith wasn't - just a tick in a box.
0:46:16 > 0:46:21- Travelling back to north Wales, - Rhys and I returned to this subject.
0:46:22 > 0:46:26- Why do so many people still - call themselves Christians...
0:46:27 > 0:46:29- ..even though - they don't attend chapel?
0:46:30 > 0:46:32- I wanted to show you this.
0:46:32 > 0:46:36- Only one of the school pupils - broke the rule and put two ticks.
0:46:37 > 0:46:39- One tick in the No Religion box...
0:46:39 > 0:46:42- ..and also a tick - in the Christianity box.
0:46:42 > 0:46:43- So 50-50.
0:46:44 > 0:46:48- I'd say that's how - most people in Wales feel now.
0:46:49 > 0:46:53- He put two because he couldn't put - a tick in the No Religion box.
0:46:53 > 0:46:58- It's because we've been a Christian - country for so many decades...
0:46:58 > 0:47:04- ..and influenced by huge chapels, - like this one in Caernarfon.
0:47:05 > 0:47:06- Is it Salem or Seilo?
0:47:07 > 0:47:12- In every town and village, - these chapels cast a long shadow.
0:47:12 > 0:47:14- We can't change that.
0:47:14 > 0:47:16- It's still in our blood.
0:47:18 > 0:47:22- In the next census, they should - have a box with agnostic...
0:47:22 > 0:47:25- ..for people like you - who sit on the fence.
0:47:26 > 0:47:27- Sitting on the fence.
0:47:30 > 0:47:34- Perhaps I am guilty - of sitting on the fence.
0:47:34 > 0:47:36- But that's not a safe place to be.
0:47:36 > 0:47:40- It's honestly admitting that I don't - know the answers any more.
0:47:41 > 0:47:45- There's a reason - to continue with the journey.
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