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0:00:08 > 0:00:11- We've crossed the bridge - to Anglesey.
0:00:11 > 0:00:13- I feel quite at home here.
0:00:13 > 0:00:16- A warm welcome - to Dechrau Canu Dechrau Canmol.
0:00:18 > 0:00:21- # Soli Deo gloria
0:00:22 > 0:00:27- # Soli Deo gloria
0:00:29 > 0:00:34- # Soli Deo gloria #
0:00:49 > 0:00:52- On this programme, I'll meet a man - who describes himself...
0:00:53 > 0:00:54- ..as a chameleon of a minister.
0:00:55 > 0:00:59- I've been a teacher, then I was - a lecturer at Bangor Normal College.
0:00:59 > 0:01:02- I then opened a business - on Anglesey.
0:01:02 > 0:01:06- For 25 years, - I've been a football referee.
0:01:06 > 0:01:09- We'll have a performance - by soprano Llio Evans...
0:01:09 > 0:01:13- ..in the home of the - Marquess of Anglesey, Plas Newydd.
0:01:14 > 0:01:17- And I'll be joined by - a familiar face to many of us...
0:01:17 > 0:01:22- ..a farmer, deacon and former - Chair of Anglesey County Council.
0:01:23 > 0:01:24- I was raised in Llanbabo.
0:01:25 > 0:01:27- Everyone knew me as Bob Ty Newydd.
0:01:27 > 0:01:29- Now it's Bob Treban.
0:01:35 > 0:01:39- The singing comes from the cymanfa - held at Capel Moriah, Gwalchmai.
0:01:39 > 0:01:43- The first hymn - expresses Eleazar Roberts' desire...
0:01:43 > 0:01:45- ..to live more like Jesus.
0:01:45 > 0:01:48- "O na bawn yn fwy tebyg - i Iesu Grist yn byw
0:01:48 > 0:01:51- "Yn llwyr gysegru 'mywyd - i wasanaethu Duw."
0:04:55 > 0:04:58- I've come to Treban Meurig, - Bryngwran...
0:04:59 > 0:05:03- ..to talk to the farmer - and councillor, Bob Parry.
0:05:03 > 0:05:05- I was raised in Llanbabo.
0:05:06 > 0:05:08- Everyone knew me as Bob Ty Newydd.
0:05:09 > 0:05:11- Now it's Bob Treban.
0:05:12 > 0:05:17- You've now handed over the reins - to Gethin, your youngest son.
0:05:17 > 0:05:22- My son rears calves now. - He keeps them for about two years.
0:05:22 > 0:05:25- There are about 1,000 sheep here.
0:05:36 > 0:05:37- Well.
0:05:37 > 0:05:39- They're curious.
0:05:39 > 0:05:43- If the large cattle - were in with the yearlings...
0:05:43 > 0:05:46- ..you wouldn't be able - to get close to them.
0:05:46 > 0:05:48- These are curious.
0:05:49 > 0:05:52- He's weaned them off the bucket - about three months ago.
0:05:52 > 0:05:55- They still remember the bucket.
0:05:55 > 0:05:56- There's a small one there.
0:05:56 > 0:05:58- There's a small one there.- - Yes, five of them are younger.
0:05:59 > 0:06:00- They'll be inside for a few months.
0:06:00 > 0:06:02- They'll be inside for a few months.- - Until the end of April.
0:06:03 > 0:06:07- We've brought them in early - as it's been very wet.
0:06:08 > 0:06:10- Where are the bankers in here?
0:06:11 > 0:06:16- This one, this one and those three - are the ones that'll make money.
0:06:16 > 0:06:20- Who makes the decisions - in terms of spending...
0:06:20 > 0:06:25- ..you or Gethin, or does your - grandson have his say now too?
0:06:25 > 0:06:27- My grandson says too much!
0:06:27 > 0:06:30- I let my son make the decisions.
0:06:30 > 0:06:32- Who used to advise you?
0:06:32 > 0:06:33- Who used to advise you?- - My father.
0:06:34 > 0:06:36- Were you a good listener?
0:06:37 > 0:06:40- I'd say I was better - than my son is now...
0:06:40 > 0:06:45- ..but I'm sure I was difficult too - - no use telling me anything.
0:06:45 > 0:06:46- Wisdom comes with age, as they say.
0:06:46 > 0:06:47- Wisdom comes with age, as they say.- - I say that too.
0:06:48 > 0:06:50- I'm proved right sometimes.
0:06:51 > 0:06:52- They don't know the meaning of work!
0:06:52 > 0:06:54- They don't know the meaning of work!- - They don't know they're born!
0:07:01 > 0:07:05- Things aren't always easy - in agriculture.
0:07:05 > 0:07:08- How do you cope - with the difficulties?
0:07:08 > 0:07:12- By taking the rough with the smooth. - There are good and bad years.
0:07:13 > 0:07:15- You have to control - your purse strings.
0:07:18 > 0:07:21- You've been council leader - and been a leader of the Union.
0:07:22 > 0:07:25- But from where - do you receive guidance?
0:07:25 > 0:07:27- Through the chapel to begin with.
0:07:27 > 0:07:32- I used to go to Bethania Chapel, - Llanddeusant, when I was a child.
0:07:33 > 0:07:35- That's where - I started to take part.
0:07:36 > 0:07:38- Everything developed slowly.
0:07:39 > 0:07:43- I think the guidance I received - from deacons helped me a great deal.
0:07:44 > 0:07:49- I remember I used to take part - - hymns, reading and praying.
0:07:49 > 0:07:54- The head deacon, John Roberts, - expected me to write the prayer.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58- One Sunday night - when I was ready to start praying...
0:07:58 > 0:08:00- ..he was by my side...
0:08:00 > 0:08:04- ..and he grabbed the piece of paper - and took it off me.
0:08:04 > 0:08:07- I had no choice but to carry on.
0:08:07 > 0:08:09- And pray from your heart.
0:08:09 > 0:08:11- And pray from your heart.- - That's what I had to do.
0:08:14 > 0:08:18- How do you think about - and explain your faith?
0:08:19 > 0:08:24- When you're in a hole, you get the - strength somehow to get out of it.
0:08:25 > 0:08:29- The chapel supports you.
0:08:29 > 0:08:34- You remember things you've learnt - years ago, such as verses.
0:08:34 > 0:08:38- Those verses are relevant - when you're in the dark, black hole.
0:08:39 > 0:08:43- Is there a verse or a line from - a hymn you turn to occasionally?
0:08:43 > 0:08:45- The hymn I like translates as...
0:08:45 > 0:08:48- .."O my blessed Jesus, - only friend of my weak soul."
0:08:49 > 0:08:53- I'm not a singer, - but I like reading hymns.
0:08:53 > 0:08:56- I think those two lines - are a support to everyone.
0:08:57 > 0:09:01- Bob Parry, thank you for the chat - and for the welcome on the farm.
0:09:01 > 0:09:04- From Eben Fardd's dark hour...
0:09:04 > 0:09:07- ..to the dark hour - of another hymn-writer, Ben Davies.
0:09:07 > 0:09:11- His words came after - suffering many bereavements.
0:09:11 > 0:09:15- He lost his daughter when - she was three and his wife aged 30.
0:09:16 > 0:09:19- "Mi godaf f'egwan lef - at Iesu yn y nef
0:09:19 > 0:09:24- "A rhoddaf bwys fy enaid dwys - i orffwys arno ef"
0:11:13 > 0:11:17- Our soloist, Llio Evans, - is in the Marquess' Mansion.
0:11:17 > 0:11:21- In Plas Newydd, - accompanied by Annette Bryn Parri...
0:11:21 > 0:11:25- ..Llio is going to perform - Mozart's Alleluia.
0:11:32 > 0:11:35- # Alleluia, Alleluia
0:11:36 > 0:11:39- # Alleluia, Alleluia
0:11:40 > 0:11:43- # Alleluia, Alleluia
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0:11:48 > 0:11:52- # Alleluia
0:11:52 > 0:11:55- # Alleluia
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0:12:07 > 0:12:11- # Alleluia, Alleluia
0:12:11 > 0:12:19- # Alleluia
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0:12:46 > 0:12:49- # Alleluia
0:12:58 > 0:13:01- # Aah
0:13:02 > 0:13:04- # Aah
0:13:05 > 0:13:10- # Aah
0:13:10 > 0:13:12- # Aah
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0:13:16 > 0:13:18- # Aah
0:13:19 > 0:13:21- # Alleluia
0:13:26 > 0:13:30- # Alleluia, Alleluia
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0:13:41 > 0:13:45- # Alleluia
0:13:45 > 0:13:49- # Alleluia, Alleluia
0:13:49 > 0:13:53- # Alleluia
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0:14:11 > 0:14:15- My next guest describes himself - as a chameleon of a minister.
0:14:16 > 0:14:21- Reverend Huw John Hughes joins me - on the banks of the Menai...
0:14:21 > 0:14:24- ..a wonderful location, - if I may say so.
0:14:24 > 0:14:27- This is heaven on earth.
0:14:28 > 0:14:32- Some would say that the man - originally from Mynydd Llandygai...
0:14:33 > 0:14:35- ..has seen the light - and moved to Anglesey.
0:14:36 > 0:14:40- I've moved from the mountain to - the sea. That's true of my ministry.
0:14:40 > 0:14:43- I began near the foot of Snowdonia - as a minister.
0:14:43 > 0:14:47- I then moved to Moelfre. - Have you heard of the place?
0:14:47 > 0:14:52- I then moved from Anglesey to the - big city, Bangor, where I retired.
0:14:52 > 0:14:55- That's my career as a minister.
0:14:58 > 0:15:02- Why describe yourself - as a chameleon of a minister?
0:15:02 > 0:15:03- I've done other things.
0:15:04 > 0:15:08- I've been a teacher, then I was - a lecturer at The Normal College.
0:15:08 > 0:15:12- I then opened a business - on Anglesey, Pili Palas.
0:15:12 > 0:15:17- And for 25 years, believe it or - not, I've been a football referee.
0:15:19 > 0:15:23- So you can see why I call myself - a bit of a chameleon.
0:15:23 > 0:15:27- This year, I'm celebrating - 40 years in the ministry.
0:15:27 > 0:15:30- I've been a minister - throughout that time.
0:15:34 > 0:15:38- How do you look back - on that period in your ministry?
0:15:39 > 0:15:40- It's been mixed, Nia.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43- There are things that one has done.
0:15:43 > 0:15:48- I've a feeling that there are things - I would've liked to have done...
0:15:48 > 0:15:50- ..but haven't achieved.
0:15:51 > 0:15:53- I believe in the ministry...
0:15:53 > 0:15:57- ..where the Church - goes out into the community.
0:15:57 > 0:16:03- We're too insular and introspective.
0:16:03 > 0:16:07- I've heard that the Church door - is open to everyone.
0:16:08 > 0:16:10- Yes, but the people aren't coming.
0:16:10 > 0:16:13- So we have to go - out into the community.
0:16:13 > 0:16:18- That's what Jesus did. - We should be among the people.
0:16:18 > 0:16:20- There must be a revolution.
0:16:21 > 0:16:23- Why can't we hold a service - in a pub?
0:16:23 > 0:16:29- There's a pub behind us, and this - is where the Sunday school was held.
0:16:29 > 0:16:33- Why can't we have a service - in a cafe or in a hall?
0:16:33 > 0:16:37- An opportunity for us - to come together around the table...
0:16:37 > 0:16:41- ..have a short service, - a prayer, hymn singing, a reading.
0:16:41 > 0:16:46- But have a discussion - to see what's the way forward...
0:16:46 > 0:16:49- ..in today's Wales.
0:16:51 > 0:16:56- I'm sure your comments - will begin a debate.
0:16:56 > 0:16:58- Thank you for the chat.
0:16:59 > 0:17:03- A hymn from the popular poet, - Eifion Wyn, is next.
0:17:03 > 0:17:06- "Un fendith dyro im, - ni cheisiaf ddim ond hynny
0:17:07 > 0:17:11- "Cael gras i'th garu di tra bwy', - cael mwy o ras i'th garu"
0:19:31 > 0:19:34- We finish with the hymn tune - Clawdd Madog...
0:19:35 > 0:19:39- ..and the words of a sinner - amazed that forgiveness is possible.
0:19:39 > 0:19:43- "Os gwelir fi, bechadur, - ryw ddydd ar ben fy nhaith
0:19:43 > 0:19:46- "Rhyfeddol fydd y canu - a newydd fydd yr iaith"
0:19:46 > 0:19:50- I hope you've enjoyed the journey - to Anglesey...
0:19:50 > 0:19:53- ..and that we'll have your company - next time.
0:19:53 > 0:19:55- Until then, goodbye.
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