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0:00:03 > 0:00:05- I'm Rhys Meirion.
0:00:05 > 0:00:08- In the coming weeks, - I'll enjoy the company...
0:00:08 > 0:00:12- ..of some of Wales's - most talented singers.
0:00:12 > 0:00:16- I'll travel to all sorts of places, - some further than others.
0:00:16 > 0:00:18- We'll share stories...
0:00:18 > 0:00:22- ..and of course, - there will be plenty of singing.
0:00:22 > 0:00:26- I'll invite the artistes - to the studio to sing duets.
0:00:27 > 0:00:30- We'll have fun - and tackle a few challenges.
0:00:30 > 0:00:33- I'll choose a song - to sing with them...
0:00:33 > 0:00:36- ..and they'll choose - a song to sing with me.
0:00:37 > 0:00:40- Welcome to Deuawdau Rhys Meirion.
0:00:49 > 0:00:53- I haven't heard tonight's artiste - singing live.
0:00:53 > 0:00:56- I'm looking forward - to seeing him in action.
0:00:56 > 0:00:59- How will his audience react?
0:01:01 > 0:01:05- I'm in the Victoria Hotel, - Menai Bridge.
0:01:06 > 0:01:08- My guest is from Anglesey.
0:01:09 > 0:01:11- He fills venues all over Wales.
0:01:12 > 0:01:15- His fans think the world of him.
0:01:16 > 0:01:20- We like him as a singer and person.
0:01:20 > 0:01:24- I love listening to him. - He sings nice songs.
0:01:24 > 0:01:25- Mynydd Bodafon.
0:01:25 > 0:01:26- Mynydd Bodafon.- - Yes.
0:01:27 > 0:01:29- As I took my seat...
0:01:30 > 0:01:35- ..I could easily understand - Wil Roberts' appeal.
0:01:36 > 0:01:37- Can you hear in the back?
0:01:37 > 0:01:40- Can you hear in the back?- - We all know him as Wil Tan.
0:01:41 > 0:01:44- # Summer covers the meadow
0:01:44 > 0:01:47- # In a carpet of flowers
0:01:48 > 0:01:51- # We'll walk hand in hand
0:01:51 > 0:01:54- # In Snowdonia
0:01:56 > 0:02:01- # To try to get the feeling #
0:02:01 > 0:02:05- It's no exaggeration to say - that the fireman...
0:02:05 > 0:02:07- ..is a phenomenon.
0:02:07 > 0:02:09- Everyone knows Wil Tan.
0:02:10 > 0:02:11- How?
0:02:11 > 0:02:12- I don't know.
0:02:13 > 0:02:15- He's a singer...
0:02:15 > 0:02:17- ..and also a fireman.
0:02:17 > 0:02:19- He serves his community.
0:02:20 > 0:02:21- We feel close to him.
0:02:22 > 0:02:25- It's not the singing - that appeals to Anna.
0:02:25 > 0:02:27- No?
0:02:27 > 0:02:29- No?- - What is it, then?
0:02:30 > 0:02:34- He picked up his children from - school with his shirt wide open.
0:02:35 > 0:02:37- I remember that.
0:02:37 > 0:02:39- I remember that.- - That's the appeal!
0:02:41 > 0:02:43- You can cut that out now!
0:02:44 > 0:02:46- # The two of us
0:02:47 > 0:02:50- # On Snowdonia's magical paths #
0:02:54 > 0:02:55- Thank you!
0:03:07 > 0:03:09- How are you?
0:03:09 > 0:03:10- How are you?- - Are you OK?
0:03:10 > 0:03:12- How was it?
0:03:12 > 0:03:13- How was it?- - Brilliant.
0:03:14 > 0:03:17- I don't know about that! - Take a seat.
0:03:18 > 0:03:19- Did you enjoy it?
0:03:19 > 0:03:21- Did you enjoy it?- - I can't say I enjoyed it.
0:03:21 > 0:03:25- You seemed totally relaxed - and without a care in the world.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27- I was nervous throughout.
0:03:27 > 0:03:29- I was nervous throughout.- - It didn't come across.
0:03:29 > 0:03:30- You're not lying.
0:03:31 > 0:03:34- No! Is it harder - to sing to a home crowd?
0:03:35 > 0:03:36- Much harder.
0:03:37 > 0:03:40- I'm more nervous here - than in South Wales.
0:03:40 > 0:03:42- I'm exactly the same.
0:03:43 > 0:03:46- I recognize people in the audience.
0:03:46 > 0:03:48- Then I forget the words!
0:03:49 > 0:03:50- Exactly.
0:03:51 > 0:03:55- It was an eye-opener - to be in the audience.
0:03:56 > 0:03:59- They think the world of you.
0:04:00 > 0:04:02- I don't know about that.
0:04:02 > 0:04:07- Sometimes I think - they won't enjoy themselves.
0:04:07 > 0:04:12- I wouldn't mind being - in the audience, watching myself.
0:04:13 > 0:04:16- It was interesting - to hear your voice...
0:04:17 > 0:04:21- ..and thinking ahead to the duets.
0:04:21 > 0:04:25- I'm looking forward to singing - with you. Will our voices blend?
0:04:26 > 0:04:27- We'll have fun.
0:04:28 > 0:04:29- I'm looking forward.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31- I'm looking forward.- - Great.
0:04:34 > 0:04:38- I couldn't wait to sing with Wil - after seeing him in action.
0:04:38 > 0:04:42- What would be possible - with two very different voices?
0:04:42 > 0:04:44- How are you?
0:04:46 > 0:04:48- This is it.
0:04:48 > 0:04:49- This is it.- - Wow.
0:04:49 > 0:04:53- When Rhys invited me to take part, - I thought, "Why me?"
0:04:54 > 0:04:56- It'll be a privilege.
0:04:56 > 0:04:59- I'm looking forward - to singing with a real tenor.
0:05:00 > 0:05:05- A little bird tells me you have - a pre-performance routine.
0:05:05 > 0:05:08- I bought dark chocolate - this morning.
0:05:08 > 0:05:12- Thank you! Who told you that?
0:05:13 > 0:05:17- I think it was John, - from John and Alun...
0:05:17 > 0:05:21- ..who told me that - it does the world of good.
0:05:21 > 0:05:23- # All completely
0:05:23 > 0:05:27- # All completely #
0:05:27 > 0:05:31- It's no problem - if you want to go higher.
0:05:32 > 0:05:34- I'm quite nervous of what's ahead.
0:05:35 > 0:05:39- It's like having a fire brigade - medical.
0:05:39 > 0:05:43- Unless we get started soon, - I'll do a bad job.
0:05:43 > 0:05:46- We have two different voices.
0:05:46 > 0:05:49- I worry whether they'll blend.
0:05:49 > 0:05:52- He admitted to being nervous.
0:05:54 > 0:05:56- He was tense.
0:05:57 > 0:06:01- I'm delighted - with the way it's going.
0:06:02 > 0:06:06- We've had fun, too, - seeing who made the most mistakes.
0:06:07 > 0:06:09- At the moment, it's a draw game!
0:06:09 > 0:06:11- One, two.
0:06:11 > 0:06:15- # All completely
0:06:16 > 0:06:18- # All completely #
0:06:19 > 0:06:23- Once the ice was broken, - I wanted to find out more about Wil.
0:06:24 > 0:06:26- Where did the singing start?
0:06:26 > 0:06:30- It meant going to an island - a little further than Anglesey.
0:06:38 > 0:06:40- Slainte.
0:06:44 > 0:06:47- Visiting Western Ireland - a few years ago...
0:06:48 > 0:06:50- ..started Wil's singing career.
0:06:51 > 0:06:55- It all happened by accident.
0:06:56 > 0:06:58- I was hitchhiking 30 years ago.
0:06:58 > 0:07:01- I'd been to Ireland - a couple of times.
0:07:01 > 0:07:05- Peadar O'Finneadha, - who is now a great friend of mine...
0:07:05 > 0:07:09- ..encouraged me to sing in public.
0:07:10 > 0:07:12- He sang in Irish, I sang in Welsh.
0:07:13 > 0:07:16- The singing started in Connemara.
0:07:17 > 0:07:22- You had an interest in Ireland - before meeting Peadar.
0:07:23 > 0:07:27- My father sang songs like - Galway Bay to himself...
0:07:27 > 0:07:31- ..as he washed the dishes.
0:07:31 > 0:07:34- Do you remember the old tube radios?
0:07:35 > 0:07:37- Athlone was in the middle - of the dial.
0:07:38 > 0:07:42- We tuned in to Athlone - to listen to Irish voices and songs.
0:07:43 > 0:07:47- I wanted to go there - from a young age.
0:07:47 > 0:07:50- Things worked out very well.
0:07:52 > 0:07:54- Have you sung in Ireland?
0:07:54 > 0:07:58- Not in the South. - I've performed in Northern Ireland.
0:07:58 > 0:08:02- I've been invited three times.
0:08:02 > 0:08:06- I couldn't go because - I was performing elsewhere.
0:08:07 > 0:08:09- I hope I get another invitation.
0:08:09 > 0:08:11- I'm looking forward.
0:08:11 > 0:08:15- I might be singing in Ireland - for the first time with you.
0:08:15 > 0:08:17- It will be fun.
0:08:18 > 0:08:22- # Far across yonder blue
0:08:22 > 0:08:25- # Lies a true fairy land
0:08:26 > 0:08:30- # Where the sea washes over
0:08:30 > 0:08:35- # The shingle and sand
0:08:35 > 0:08:38- # Where the gay honeysuckle
0:08:38 > 0:08:41- # Is luring the bee #
0:08:42 > 0:08:44- We were on our way to Connemara.
0:08:45 > 0:08:48- I found out more - about Ireland's appeal...
0:08:48 > 0:08:51- ..and the influence - of an early John Wayne film.
0:08:52 > 0:08:55- I watched The Quiet Man - with my father and family.
0:08:56 > 0:08:59- I saw the scenery.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02- Gareth, Gwynfor and I...
0:09:03 > 0:09:06- ..decided to go to Connemara.
0:09:07 > 0:09:10- I've seen it. - You're a big fan of the film.
0:09:10 > 0:09:12- I've seen it over 100 times.
0:09:13 > 0:09:16- I have two or three DVDs...
0:09:17 > 0:09:20- ..in case one gets damaged!
0:09:20 > 0:09:21- I have a back-up!
0:09:22 > 0:09:26- Your specialized Mastermind subject - would be The Quiet Man!
0:09:26 > 0:09:28- I'd score quite highly.
0:09:29 > 0:09:33- That's Galway Bay. - Do you know the song?
0:09:34 > 0:09:37- # If you ever go across the sea
0:09:38 > 0:09:40- # To Ireland
0:09:40 > 0:09:46- # Then maybe - in the closing of your day
0:09:47 > 0:09:50- # You can sit - and watch the moonlight
0:09:51 > 0:09:53- # Over Claddagh
0:09:54 > 0:09:57- # And see the sun go down
0:09:58 > 0:10:01- # On Galway Bay #
0:10:02 > 0:10:05- We can sing that tonight.
0:10:05 > 0:10:09- They'll ask me to sing it. - I won't getaway with not singing it.
0:10:13 > 0:10:17- Spiddal, in the Gaeltacht, - is a stone's throw from Galway.
0:10:17 > 0:10:22- It took no time at all - for Wil to get us a gig.
0:10:24 > 0:10:28- A traditional night - is about to start here.
0:10:28 > 0:10:34- The band has agreed to accompany us - to sing The Fields Of Athenry.
0:10:34 > 0:10:38- I'm nervous. - It's such an iconic song.
0:10:38 > 0:10:40- They'll know every word.
0:10:41 > 0:10:45- I hope I remember the words - and do it justice.
0:10:49 > 0:10:51- Wil and I felt at home...
0:10:51 > 0:10:54- ..until the tavern fell silent...
0:10:54 > 0:10:59- ..and it was time - for two nervous Welshmen...
0:10:59 > 0:11:02- ..to sing a famous Irish folk song.
0:11:02 > 0:11:05- # By a lonely prison wall
0:11:06 > 0:11:12- # I heard a young girl calling
0:11:15 > 0:11:16- # Michael
0:11:16 > 0:11:21- # They have taken you away
0:11:22 > 0:11:25- # For you stole Trevelyn's corn
0:11:26 > 0:11:30- # So the young might see the morn
0:11:30 > 0:11:32- # Now a prison ship
0:11:33 > 0:11:36- # Lies waiting in the bay
0:11:39 > 0:11:42- # Low lie
0:11:43 > 0:11:46- # The Fields Of Athenry
0:11:48 > 0:11:49- # Where once we watched
0:11:50 > 0:11:54- # The small free birds fly
0:11:55 > 0:11:59- # Our love was on the wing
0:12:00 > 0:12:03- # We had dreams and songs to sing
0:12:04 > 0:12:10- # It's so lonely 'round - the Fields Of Athenry
0:12:13 > 0:12:16- # By a lonely prison wall
0:12:17 > 0:12:22- # I heard a young man calling
0:12:25 > 0:12:28- # Nothing matters Mary
0:12:28 > 0:12:31- # When you're free
0:12:32 > 0:12:36- # Against the Famine and the Crown
0:12:37 > 0:12:40- # I rebelled, they ran me down
0:12:41 > 0:12:44- # Now you must raise our child
0:12:45 > 0:12:48- # With dignity
0:12:50 > 0:12:55- # Low lie
0:12:55 > 0:12:57- # The Fields Of Athenry
0:12:58 > 0:13:01- # Where once we watched
0:13:01 > 0:13:05- # The small free birds fly
0:13:06 > 0:13:10- # Our love was on the wing
0:13:11 > 0:13:14- # We had dreams and songs to sing
0:13:15 > 0:13:20- # It's so lonely 'round - the Fields Of Athenry #
0:13:20 > 0:13:22- In Welsh now.
0:13:24 > 0:13:28- # It's quiet now
0:13:28 > 0:13:31- # In Esgair Llyn
0:13:32 > 0:13:35- # Where once I learnt
0:13:35 > 0:13:37- # The earth's song
0:13:40 > 0:13:43- # My blood flows more rapidly
0:13:44 > 0:13:47- # And the song is still alive
0:13:49 > 0:13:51- # Wales has survived
0:13:52 > 0:13:54- # In Esgair Llyn
0:13:57 > 0:14:03- # It's so lonely - 'round the Fields Of Athenry #
0:14:13 > 0:14:15- I think we had a getaway with that!
0:14:19 > 0:14:21- That was an experience.
0:14:21 > 0:14:24- There are more experiences - coming up.
0:14:27 > 0:14:29- Wil takes me to meet Peadar...
0:14:29 > 0:14:34- ..I get down to work, - there's a donkey called Cymro...
0:14:34 > 0:14:37- ..and Wil sings - one of his favourite songs.
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0:14:46 > 0:14:50- My journey with Wil Tan has - taken me from a Menai Bridge pub...
0:14:51 > 0:14:53- ..to a tavern in Spiddal...
0:14:53 > 0:14:58- ..to meet the man whom he - immortalized in "Connemara Express".
0:14:58 > 0:15:01- # Come with me and the lads - and Milo O'Shea
0:15:02 > 0:15:04- # On the train to Connemara #
0:15:05 > 0:15:07- I want you to meet a dear friend.
0:15:08 > 0:15:11- His name is Pete, - and we'll be cutting peat!
0:15:12 > 0:15:13- You're pulling my leg again!
0:15:13 > 0:15:15- You're pulling my leg again!- - He's expecting us.
0:15:17 > 0:15:21- # We'll go on the peat-bog - to savour the mountain dew
0:15:21 > 0:15:24- # There we'll meet - Peadar O'Finneadha
0:15:24 > 0:15:27- # You won't get better company #
0:15:27 > 0:15:31- Peadar.
0:15:31 > 0:15:32- How are you?
0:15:32 > 0:15:35- How are you?- - Well. And you?
0:15:35 > 0:15:37- Welcome.
0:15:37 > 0:15:38- Welcome.- - Thanks very much.
0:15:39 > 0:15:42- Are you willing to do a bit of work?
0:15:42 > 0:15:46- We'll see how it goes, - after you meet Rhys Meirion.
0:15:47 > 0:15:49- It's nice to meet you.
0:15:49 > 0:15:52- It's nice to meet you.- - You're a good singer, not like me!
0:15:52 > 0:15:55- You're the reason we're here.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58- Without you, we wouldn't have - Wil Tan, the singer.
0:15:59 > 0:16:00- Somebody would have found him.
0:16:00 > 0:16:01- Somebody would have found him.- - Are you sure?!
0:16:02 > 0:16:07- How did you get to know him and why - have you become such good friends?
0:16:07 > 0:16:10- I met him on Easter Sunday - a long time ago, in 1998.
0:16:11 > 0:16:12- 1989.
0:16:13 > 0:16:17- I was coming to Galway. - This fellow was hitching.
0:16:18 > 0:16:21- I said to myself, he'd never - get a lift on Easter Sunday.
0:16:22 > 0:16:25- Everybody was in the pub. - It's an old Irish tradition.
0:16:25 > 0:16:28- I said to myself, - I better give him a lift.
0:16:29 > 0:16:31- I met him in the pub that night.
0:16:31 > 0:16:35- Any time he came over since, - he kept in contact.
0:16:35 > 0:16:37- I went over a good few times.
0:16:37 > 0:16:42- It was some wet day, and we had - to leave work and went to the pub.
0:16:42 > 0:16:45- "Being a Welshman, - you must be able to sing," I said.
0:16:46 > 0:16:49- He started singing - and everybody went silent.
0:16:49 > 0:16:51- It was Irish songs you sang...
0:16:51 > 0:16:57- ..The Rose Of Tralee, The Fields - Of Athenry and Galway Bay.
0:16:58 > 0:17:01- Everybody was delighted with him.
0:17:01 > 0:17:04- Peadar soon put us to work.
0:17:04 > 0:17:07- And we had a song, too.
0:17:08 > 0:17:11- # Si do mhaimeo, si do mhaimeo - i cailleach an airgid
0:17:11 > 0:17:14- # Si do mhaimeao i - o Bhail' Iorrais Mhoir i
0:17:14 > 0:17:18- # S chuir-feadh si - coisti 'r bhoithre Chois Fharraige
0:17:18 > 0:17:20- # Measann tu bposfa, - measann tu bposfa
0:17:20 > 0:17:23- # Measann tu bposfa, - cailleach an airgid?
0:17:23 > 0:17:25- # Measann tu bposfa #
0:17:26 > 0:17:29- I can't sing and work - at the same time.
0:17:30 > 0:17:32- Good beat to it.
0:17:33 > 0:17:36- There's a song I used - to hear over there.
0:17:36 > 0:17:39- Ar Lan Y Mor. Can you sing it?
0:17:39 > 0:17:41- Ar Lan Y Mor. Can you sing it?- - I'm sure Rhys can sing Ar Lan Y Mor.
0:17:42 > 0:17:44- # By the seaside
0:17:45 > 0:17:47- # There are red roses
0:17:47 > 0:17:49- # By the seaside
0:17:49 > 0:17:52- # There are white lilies
0:17:52 > 0:17:55- # By the seaside
0:17:55 > 0:17:58- # I'll find my sweetheart
0:17:58 > 0:18:01- # She sleeps at night
0:18:01 > 0:18:04- # And wakes in the morning #
0:18:04 > 0:18:05- That one?
0:18:05 > 0:18:06- That one?- - That's the one.
0:18:07 > 0:18:08- Lovely song.
0:18:08 > 0:18:11- You used to like Ar Lan Y Mor.
0:18:11 > 0:18:15- I did. - I always liked the beat of that one.
0:18:15 > 0:18:17- It's hard work.
0:18:17 > 0:18:20- Did you do that?!
0:18:23 > 0:18:27- # If my little donkey - refused to budge
0:18:27 > 0:18:30- # Would I beat him? No, I wouldn't!#
0:18:31 > 0:18:33- What is the name of the donkey?
0:18:34 > 0:18:37- Cymro. We thought of calling - him Wil Tan.
0:18:38 > 0:18:40- Is he as stubborn as Wil?
0:18:40 > 0:18:41- No, no.
0:18:41 > 0:18:43- He's tame enough, you know.
0:18:43 > 0:18:45- He's tame enough, you know.- - Well, Peadar.
0:18:45 > 0:18:47- Thank you.
0:18:48 > 0:18:50- THEY SPEAK GAELIC
0:18:51 > 0:18:52- Thanks, Cymro.
0:18:52 > 0:18:54- Thanks, Cymro.- - Thanks, Cymro.
0:18:54 > 0:18:57- # I first saw Illinois
0:18:57 > 0:19:01- # Nor time, nor tide, - nor waters wide
0:19:01 > 0:19:04- # Could wean my heart away
0:19:05 > 0:19:08- # For ever true, it flies to you
0:19:09 > 0:19:12- # My one dear Galway Bay #
0:19:13 > 0:19:18- It was clear how important - Ireland was to Wil.
0:19:18 > 0:19:20- It continues to be to this day.
0:19:20 > 0:19:25- What happened when he started - to sing in Wales?
0:19:25 > 0:19:29- My first gig was in the White Lion, - the Conwy Valley.
0:19:30 > 0:19:34- I was terrified. - I didn't want to do it.
0:19:35 > 0:19:39- I almost pulled out. - I was a nervous wreck.
0:19:39 > 0:19:41- How did they hear about you?
0:19:42 > 0:19:45- I recorded Aelwyd Fy Mam.
0:19:45 > 0:19:47- I heard it at home.
0:19:47 > 0:19:52- We had Hogia'r Deulyn's single.
0:19:52 > 0:19:54- # I remember
0:19:54 > 0:19:58- # When I was a child
0:20:01 > 0:20:05- # In my mother's home #
0:20:06 > 0:20:08- It got lost in the house.
0:20:08 > 0:20:10- I didn't hear it for years.
0:20:11 > 0:20:13- Twenty, thirty years passed.
0:20:14 > 0:20:17- I remembered it was a nice song.
0:20:18 > 0:20:21- That was the first song I recorded.
0:20:21 > 0:20:24- It put me on the map.
0:20:27 > 0:20:30- MY MOTHER'S HOME
0:20:40 > 0:20:42- # I remember
0:20:42 > 0:20:46- # When I was a child
0:20:47 > 0:20:52- # In my mother's home
0:20:55 > 0:20:59- # She always looked after me
0:21:02 > 0:21:06- # And protected me from harm
0:21:09 > 0:21:13- # When I was poorly with a fever
0:21:16 > 0:21:19- # Pale and weak
0:21:20 > 0:21:22- # And suffering
0:21:23 > 0:21:28- # Mother sat by my bedside
0:21:31 > 0:21:36- # Lighting up my darkest night
0:21:38 > 0:21:43- # I remember being broken-hearted
0:21:45 > 0:21:50- # And feeling - that I had been let down
0:21:52 > 0:21:55- # Mother was the first
0:21:56 > 0:21:58- # To wipe away my tears
0:22:00 > 0:22:04- # She tried her best to console me
0:22:07 > 0:22:12- # She taught me chapter and verse
0:22:14 > 0:22:19- # She took me to Sunday school
0:22:21 > 0:22:26- # She wanted me - to have a firm footing
0:22:29 > 0:22:34- # Safe on the narrow path
0:22:43 > 0:22:48- # My mother taught me everything
0:22:50 > 0:22:55- # About the Saviour on the Cross
0:22:57 > 0:23:00- # Despite all my sins
0:23:01 > 0:23:04- # He has secured
0:23:05 > 0:23:09- # A place in my life forever more
0:23:12 > 0:23:17- # We give thanks - to the mothers of the earth
0:23:19 > 0:23:24- # Who sacrificed - the flower of their youth
0:23:26 > 0:23:31- # She guided me on my journey
0:23:33 > 0:23:38- # And taught me about Calvary
0:23:40 > 0:23:45- # She guided me on my journey
0:23:47 > 0:23:51- # And taught me about
0:23:51 > 0:23:56- # Calvary #
0:24:01 > 0:24:06- Coming up, we return - to Anglesey for a few surprises.
0:24:07 > 0:24:09- Wil's unexpected love of nature...
0:24:09 > 0:24:13- ..an unexpected journey - back to his childhood...
0:24:13 > 0:24:16- ..and an unexpected duet.
0:24:16 > 0:24:17- .
0:24:22 > 0:24:22- Subtitles
0:24:22 > 0:24:24- Subtitles- - Subtitles
0:24:28 > 0:24:32- I'm in Anglesey - and on my way to meet Wil.
0:24:32 > 0:24:34- He asked me to bring wellies.
0:24:35 > 0:24:38- I've no idea - what he has planned for me.
0:24:38 > 0:24:39- We'll find out now.
0:24:40 > 0:24:43- # The wheat was yellow
0:24:43 > 0:24:45- # In the meadows at Plas #
0:24:46 > 0:24:51- With songs like "Llandegfan", Wil's - home is clearly important to him.
0:24:51 > 0:24:56- His love of nature and the outdoors - stems from his rural upbringing.
0:24:56 > 0:25:00- I'm sure Wil will forgive me - for showing this film of him!
0:25:00 > 0:25:02- Or is it Rambo?
0:25:02 > 0:25:05- He's helping in the harvest.
0:25:05 > 0:25:10- Wil took me to the fields by - his home, to search for something.
0:25:11 > 0:25:12- There they are.
0:25:12 > 0:25:13- There they are.- - Can you see them?
0:25:13 > 0:25:15- Yes, by the hedge.
0:25:15 > 0:25:17- The small, white flowers.
0:25:18 > 0:25:23- Have you seen cow parsley - on the roadside this time of year?
0:25:23 > 0:25:25- This is from the same family.
0:25:25 > 0:25:26- Right.
0:25:26 > 0:25:30- You're like Gerallt Pennant - and Iolo Williams!
0:25:30 > 0:25:35- I've been very interested in things - like this since I was about eight.
0:25:35 > 0:25:37- It's quite difficult to find.
0:25:38 > 0:25:42- My grandfather was a sailor. - He wasn't interested in nature.
0:25:43 > 0:25:45- My father didn't read much.
0:25:46 > 0:25:50- But he knew all the plants' names, - in Welsh and English.
0:25:51 > 0:25:51- Here it is, jackpot!
0:25:51 > 0:25:53- Here it is, jackpot!- - It's a big one.
0:25:53 > 0:25:54- I won't ask you to eat it.
0:25:54 > 0:25:55- I won't ask you to eat it.- - I'll eat a little.
0:25:56 > 0:25:58- Are you sure it's alright?
0:25:58 > 0:25:59- I've eaten a lot.
0:26:00 > 0:26:00- It's not poisonous.
0:26:00 > 0:26:02- It's not poisonous.- - You're not pulling my leg!
0:26:02 > 0:26:07- No. It's the same family - as parsnips and carrots.
0:26:08 > 0:26:10- Some are sweet, others bitter.
0:26:10 > 0:26:12- That's quite sweet.
0:26:12 > 0:26:13- It's quite nice.
0:26:13 > 0:26:14- Yes.
0:26:15 > 0:26:17- Who'd have thought?
0:26:17 > 0:26:18- I hope you won't be ill.
0:26:18 > 0:26:19- I hope you won't be ill.- - Yes.
0:26:19 > 0:26:21- Or the duets will be terrible!
0:26:21 > 0:26:23- Or the duets will be terrible!- - I'll sound better than you!
0:26:23 > 0:26:25- Notice I haven't eaten any.
0:26:25 > 0:26:27- LAUGHTER
0:26:27 > 0:26:30- I've never eaten pignuts before.
0:26:31 > 0:26:36- It was also a surprise to see - Wil's nature diaries from the 1970s.
0:26:36 > 0:26:41- He told me a very sad, - life-changing story from those days.
0:26:41 > 0:26:43- When I was young...
0:26:43 > 0:26:48- ..I wanted to have a career - connected to the world of nature.
0:26:49 > 0:26:54- I planned to do a forestry course - in college in Penrith.
0:26:56 > 0:26:59- But my best friend - was killed in a bike accident.
0:27:00 > 0:27:02- I lost my way after John was killed.
0:27:02 > 0:27:05- It was just down the road.
0:27:05 > 0:27:07- I don't know what happened.
0:27:07 > 0:27:09- I don't know what happened.- - That would upset anyone.
0:27:10 > 0:27:12- I wasn't too good in Mathematics.
0:27:13 > 0:27:16- You had to have it - to go to this college.
0:27:16 > 0:27:20- You're still interested - in nature as a hobby.
0:27:22 > 0:27:24- Yes, I'd be lost without it.
0:27:25 > 0:27:28- # Good times #
0:27:29 > 0:27:32- Wil was turning out - to be full of surprises.
0:27:32 > 0:27:35- It was time for me to surprise him.
0:27:35 > 0:27:39- I steered the conversation - to a place very dear to Wil...
0:27:39 > 0:27:41- ..his old home, Drws Y Coed.
0:27:41 > 0:27:42- Drws Y Coed.
0:27:43 > 0:27:45- You've heard about Drws Y Coed.
0:27:45 > 0:27:46- It's important to you.
0:27:46 > 0:27:47- It's important to you.- - Yes.
0:27:47 > 0:27:50- My father worked there - for fifty years.
0:27:51 > 0:27:56- I have sheepdogs buried there. - A lot of our history is there.
0:27:56 > 0:27:59- If you agree, - we've arranged to go there.
0:27:59 > 0:28:03- I know you haven't - been back for years.
0:28:03 > 0:28:05- Is it alright with you?
0:28:05 > 0:28:07- I'd love to go there.
0:28:07 > 0:28:10- You can show me the place - and tell me about it.
0:28:11 > 0:28:13- I don't know - how I'll feel going back.
0:28:14 > 0:28:14- Do you want a hanky?
0:28:14 > 0:28:15- Do you want a hanky?- - Maybe!
0:28:15 > 0:28:16- Come on.
0:28:16 > 0:28:17- Come on.- - Great.
0:28:17 > 0:28:20- # I hear the cuckoo sing
0:28:20 > 0:28:23- # On Mynydd Bodafon
0:28:24 > 0:28:27- # Where the sweet gorse grows
0:28:28 > 0:28:30- # At the foot of Arwydd Fawr #
0:28:32 > 0:28:34- Goodness, it's changed.
0:28:35 > 0:28:36- It's different.
0:28:37 > 0:28:39- # On Mynydd Bodafon #
0:28:40 > 0:28:43- Drws Y Coed was Wil's home - for almost 25 years...
0:28:43 > 0:28:47- ..as a child and young man - in his twenties.
0:28:47 > 0:28:52- He lived here when his father - worked as a chauffeur for the owner.
0:28:52 > 0:28:53- # A comfort to me #
0:28:57 > 0:28:58- Well.
0:29:00 > 0:29:01- Here we are.
0:29:02 > 0:29:03- It's nice.
0:29:03 > 0:29:04- It's nice.- - Yes.
0:29:04 > 0:29:06- I'd sing here.
0:29:06 > 0:29:08- The acoustics are good.
0:29:08 > 0:29:09- The acoustics are good.- - Excellent.
0:29:10 > 0:29:12- I had arranged one more surprise.
0:29:12 > 0:29:14- I had arranged one more surprise.- - This is the old study.
0:29:14 > 0:29:16- I spent a lot of time here.
0:29:16 > 0:29:18- The old panels are exactly the same.
0:29:18 > 0:29:19- The old panels are exactly the same.- - Right.
0:29:19 > 0:29:22- We thought there was - a hidden door here...
0:29:22 > 0:29:24- ..leading to another world.
0:29:26 > 0:29:28- I hear you're an Elvis fan.
0:29:28 > 0:29:32- Yes. I had no choice, - Mam and Dad listened to him.
0:29:33 > 0:29:35- He was always on the record player.
0:29:35 > 0:29:37- He was always on the record player.- - Look what I have here.
0:29:38 > 0:29:39- Goodness.
0:29:39 > 0:29:41- This is the duet I've chosen.
0:29:42 > 0:29:43- Right.
0:29:43 > 0:29:45- We'll listen, to see if you like it.
0:29:46 > 0:29:48- It means something to you.
0:29:48 > 0:29:49- It means something to you.- - Yes.
0:29:49 > 0:29:51- I'll tell you the story later.
0:29:53 > 0:29:55- # Can't you see, I love you
0:29:55 > 0:29:59- # Please don't break my heart in two
0:29:59 > 0:30:02- # That's not hard to do
0:30:02 > 0:30:06- # 'Cause I don't have a wooden heart
0:30:08 > 0:30:10- # And if you say goodbye
0:30:10 > 0:30:13- # Then I know that I would cry
0:30:14 > 0:30:16- # Maybe I would die
0:30:17 > 0:30:21- # 'Cause I don't have - a wooden heart #
0:30:22 > 0:30:23- That's it.
0:30:23 > 0:30:29- I don't know if you knew - it's originally a German folksong...
0:30:29 > 0:30:30- ..Muss I Denn.
0:30:31 > 0:30:36- I'd like to do a version of the - original song as a duet with you.
0:30:37 > 0:30:38- Good.
0:30:38 > 0:30:41- There's a personal reason - for choosing it.
0:30:41 > 0:30:46- I wouldn't be here if it wasn't - for Elvis and "Wooden Heart".
0:30:46 > 0:30:50- Mam and Dad quarrelled - and had broken up.
0:30:50 > 0:30:54- They were sitting in a car park - in Dolgellau, tears flowing.
0:30:54 > 0:30:58- Mam put the radio on - in the old Morris 1,000.
0:30:58 > 0:31:00- Elvis was singing "Wooden Heart".
0:31:00 > 0:31:03- Their hearts melted. - They got back together.
0:31:04 > 0:31:06- I wouldn't be here if not for him!
0:31:06 > 0:31:08- That song would melt any heart.
0:31:08 > 0:31:09- That song would melt any heart.- - Exactly.
0:31:09 > 0:31:11- What do you think of the song?
0:31:11 > 0:31:13- What do you think of the song?- - It's the perfect song.
0:31:13 > 0:31:16- I look forward - to singing it with you...
0:31:16 > 0:31:19- ..and practising some German too.
0:31:19 > 0:31:20- Great.
0:31:20 > 0:31:24- Before heading to the studio - to practise German...
0:31:24 > 0:31:29- ..Wil wanted to walk round - the gardens once more and reminisce.
0:31:29 > 0:31:32- There were five of us children.
0:31:32 > 0:31:35- We played here all summer, - round the back.
0:31:35 > 0:31:39- My father would tell us - to play in the fields.
0:31:39 > 0:31:43- Were you brought up - in the country, in the fresh air?
0:31:43 > 0:31:44- Yes.
0:31:45 > 0:31:48- There were a lot - of trees in Tremadog.
0:31:49 > 0:31:53- You mentioned climbing trees. - I loved doing that.
0:31:53 > 0:31:54- Dangerous!
0:31:54 > 0:31:55- Dangerous!- - Yes.
0:31:55 > 0:31:58- I went to the top, - which was swaying...
0:31:58 > 0:32:01- ..and stuck my head above the top.
0:32:01 > 0:32:05- I'm afraid of heights now, - but not at that time, oddly.
0:32:05 > 0:32:06- Yes.
0:32:08 > 0:32:12- One quiet corner - brought everything back to Wil.
0:32:15 > 0:32:18- Goodness, - they've left the gravestone.
0:32:18 > 0:32:20- Well.
0:32:21 > 0:32:23- Gelert, my sheepdog.
0:32:25 > 0:32:26- Did you write that?
0:32:26 > 0:32:27- Did you write that?- - Yes.
0:32:30 > 0:32:31- He was...
0:32:33 > 0:32:34- ..my old mate.
0:32:36 > 0:32:38- When was that?
0:32:39 > 0:32:41- He lived to be 18.
0:32:42 > 0:32:44- It's quite old for a sheepdog.
0:32:44 > 0:32:45- What's written underneath?
0:32:45 > 0:32:47- What's written underneath?- - I don't remember what I wrote.
0:32:49 > 0:32:50- It's worn away.
0:32:50 > 0:32:52- Old friend, I think.
0:32:52 > 0:32:55- I can make out some of the letters.
0:32:56 > 0:33:02- My father retired, but he still - came here from time to time.
0:33:02 > 0:33:07- Gelert walked here on his own - every day from Llandegfan.
0:33:07 > 0:33:09- He was back by teatime.
0:33:09 > 0:33:11- We didn't live here.
0:33:11 > 0:33:13- He just wandered about.
0:33:14 > 0:33:15- He's still here.
0:33:15 > 0:33:19- Fair play to them - for keeping the stone.
0:33:19 > 0:33:20- Yes.
0:33:21 > 0:33:24- Take a photo with your camera.
0:33:25 > 0:33:26- Beddgelert, Gelert's grave.
0:33:26 > 0:33:27- Beddgelert, Gelert's grave.- - Yes.
0:33:29 > 0:33:31- # Got to go
0:33:31 > 0:33:33- # Got to go
0:33:34 > 0:33:36- # Got to leave this town
0:33:36 > 0:33:41- # And you, my dear, stay here #
0:33:41 > 0:33:42- "Wenn i wiederum komm."
0:33:42 > 0:33:43- "Wenn i wiederum komm."- - Yes.
0:33:43 > 0:33:48- "Wiederum, wiederum komm" - is correct too, a German told me.
0:33:48 > 0:33:50- # Wiederum, wiederum komm #
0:33:50 > 0:33:54- That isn't incorrect - and it's easier to sing.
0:33:54 > 0:33:55- He says it's not wrong.
0:33:55 > 0:33:56- He says it's not wrong.- - OK.
0:33:57 > 0:33:59- # Wiederum, wiederum komm
0:33:59 > 0:34:02- # Kehr i ein, mein Schatz, bei dir #
0:34:02 > 0:34:06- He told me that - and I checked it too.
0:34:06 > 0:34:07- Ideal.
0:34:07 > 0:34:09- From the top again.
0:34:15 > 0:34:17- # Got to go
0:34:18 > 0:34:20- # Got to go
0:34:21 > 0:34:24- # Got to leave this town
0:34:24 > 0:34:28- # And you, my dear, stay here
0:34:30 > 0:34:32- # When I'm back
0:34:33 > 0:34:36- # When I'm back
0:34:36 > 0:34:38- # When I'm back again, back again
0:34:39 > 0:34:43- # On your doorstep I'll appear
0:34:44 > 0:34:50- # Though I can't be - with you all the time
0:34:51 > 0:34:55- # My thoughts are with you, my dear
0:34:56 > 0:34:59- # When I'm back
0:34:59 > 0:35:02- # When I'm back
0:35:02 > 0:35:04- # When I'm back again, back again
0:35:05 > 0:35:09- # On your doorstep I'll appear
0:35:11 > 0:35:13- # Muss i denn, muss i denn
0:35:13 > 0:35:16- # Zum Stadtele hinaus
0:35:17 > 0:35:19- # Stadtele hinaus
0:35:20 > 0:35:23- # Und du, mein Schatz, bleibst hier
0:35:26 > 0:35:28- # Wenn i komm, wenn i komm
0:35:28 > 0:35:31- # Wenn i wiederum, wiederum komm
0:35:31 > 0:35:33- # Wiederum, wiederum komm
0:35:33 > 0:35:39- # Kehr i ein, mein Schatz, bei dir #
0:36:01 > 0:36:02- BACKGROUND CHAT
0:36:06 > 0:36:07- # In a year
0:36:07 > 0:36:08- # In a year
0:36:09 > 0:36:11- # With grapes ripe on the vine
0:36:12 > 0:36:14- # Ripe on the vine
0:36:14 > 0:36:19- # Then, again it's here I'll be
0:36:20 > 0:36:21- # If by then
0:36:21 > 0:36:23- # If by then- - # If by then
0:36:23 > 0:36:26- # I am still your beau
0:36:27 > 0:36:29- # Still your beau
0:36:29 > 0:36:34- # We will wed, my bride you'll be
0:36:35 > 0:36:41- # Though I can't be - with you all the time
0:36:41 > 0:36:46- # My thoughts are with you, my dear
0:36:47 > 0:36:50- # When I'm back, when I'm back
0:36:50 > 0:36:55- # When I'm back again, back again
0:36:56 > 0:37:01- # On your doorstep I'll appear
0:37:01 > 0:37:07- # When I'm back, back again
0:37:08 > 0:37:11- # When I'm back, back again
0:37:11 > 0:37:16- # On your doorstep I'll appear #
0:37:21 > 0:37:22- Coming up...
0:37:23 > 0:37:27- ..I go to work with Wil Tan, where - he's much more at home than me.
0:37:27 > 0:37:31- And you'll find out - which duet Wil has chosen for us.
0:37:32 > 0:37:35- It's worth waiting for. - See you shortly.
0:37:36 > 0:37:36- .
0:37:40 > 0:37:40- Subtitles
0:37:40 > 0:37:42- Subtitles- - Subtitles
0:37:43 > 0:37:46- With a guest called Wil Tan...
0:37:46 > 0:37:50- ..I had to spend a day - at the Menai Bridge station.
0:37:50 > 0:37:52- You look the part.
0:37:52 > 0:37:53- Raring to go!
0:37:59 > 0:38:01- SIREN
0:38:04 > 0:38:05- Off we go.
0:38:11 > 0:38:16- It's tougher than standing on - a stage in a bow-tie, I assure you.
0:38:16 > 0:38:19- He didn't tell me - anything about smoke!
0:38:22 > 0:38:24- MUFFLED VOICES
0:38:24 > 0:38:25- One in, two in.
0:38:29 > 0:38:31- How did Wil Tan become a fireman?
0:38:32 > 0:38:35- I was working at Drws Y Coed - with my father.
0:38:35 > 0:38:39- My cousin had just joined - the fire brigade.
0:38:39 > 0:38:40- He's retired now.
0:38:41 > 0:38:45- He asked me if I'd like the job. - They were recruiting.
0:38:46 > 0:38:48- I went on the course and passed it.
0:38:49 > 0:38:51- Those were different times.
0:38:52 > 0:38:56- There were many more fires. - Houses are safer now.
0:38:57 > 0:39:00- We're coming to a room on the right.
0:39:00 > 0:39:02- BANGING
0:39:02 > 0:39:04- I was just thinking...
0:39:04 > 0:39:06- ..in a situation like that...
0:39:06 > 0:39:09- ..it takes a special sort of person.
0:39:09 > 0:39:10- You're quite...
0:39:11 > 0:39:14- ..I'm not sure - what the word is, laid back, cool.
0:39:14 > 0:39:16- There.
0:39:16 > 0:39:18- Shut the door.
0:39:19 > 0:39:24- A highly strung person would be - no use in that kind of scenario.
0:39:24 > 0:39:28- They'd probably panic. - You must be calm.
0:39:28 > 0:39:29- Yes.
0:39:29 > 0:39:32- But training gets rid of that.
0:39:33 > 0:39:38- People with that kind - of personality won't make the grade.
0:39:38 > 0:39:41- You've been trained. - It comes naturally to you.
0:39:42 > 0:39:44- Hold him under his arm.
0:39:45 > 0:39:46- Out we go.
0:39:47 > 0:39:51- I'm sure the work - gives you great satisfaction.
0:39:52 > 0:39:54- Yes, it does.
0:39:54 > 0:39:59- People are very happy - and grateful to see us arrive.
0:39:59 > 0:40:02- That makes you feel - better when you leave.
0:40:02 > 0:40:06- You've done your bit. - But of course, it's a job.
0:40:07 > 0:40:09- You get paid and have to do it.
0:40:11 > 0:40:13- You're a modest person.
0:40:14 > 0:40:18- It's more than a job, - it's a vocation.
0:40:18 > 0:40:20- You have to like the job.
0:40:20 > 0:40:23- I've been here for over 30 years.
0:40:23 > 0:40:25- I'd have left if I hated the job.
0:40:27 > 0:40:29- But I'm still here.
0:40:29 > 0:40:32- If I pass the annual medical, - I'll stay.
0:40:41 > 0:40:42- Oh!
0:40:42 > 0:40:44- Well done!
0:40:44 > 0:40:46- We rescued two!
0:40:48 > 0:40:51- What did you make of that?
0:40:51 > 0:40:53- Fair play, I admire you lads!
0:40:54 > 0:40:55- It's hot.
0:40:56 > 0:40:57- All in a day's work.
0:40:58 > 0:40:59- Did you enjoy it?
0:40:59 > 0:41:01- I enjoyed the feeling.
0:41:01 > 0:41:04- I felt a kind of thrill, - just pulling a dummy out.
0:41:05 > 0:41:08- It must be a thrill for you, - to pull out a real person.
0:41:09 > 0:41:13- It is. The adrenalin pumps - and everything happens quickly.
0:41:13 > 0:41:14- Are you glad you did it?
0:41:14 > 0:41:16- Are you glad you did it?- - I enjoyed every second.
0:41:16 > 0:41:17- Many thanks for the experience.
0:41:17 > 0:41:19- Many thanks for the experience.- - You're welcome.
0:41:20 > 0:41:21- Oh!
0:41:21 > 0:41:22- Singing is easier!
0:41:22 > 0:41:24- Maybe. I don't know!
0:41:25 > 0:41:27- Easier for you, perhaps.
0:41:28 > 0:41:29- SINGING
0:41:29 > 0:41:32- We returned to the studio - for the last time.
0:41:32 > 0:41:36- There's only one more song, - Wil's choice.
0:41:37 > 0:41:38- # Amen #
0:41:39 > 0:41:42- He's very easy - to get on with and natural.
0:41:42 > 0:41:45- There's nothing pompous about him.
0:41:46 > 0:41:50- I've only known him - for a short time...
0:41:50 > 0:41:53- ..but I'd call him a friend.
0:41:54 > 0:41:55- # Amen #
0:41:58 > 0:41:59- That was champion.
0:41:59 > 0:42:00- That was champion.- - Yes.
0:42:02 > 0:42:02- Are you happy?
0:42:02 > 0:42:03- Are you happy?- - Yes.
0:42:04 > 0:42:05- Are you happy?
0:42:08 > 0:42:11- Wil, we're nearing - the end of the programme.
0:42:11 > 0:42:16- I've enjoyed every minute of your - company and getting to know you.
0:42:16 > 0:42:18- I didn't know you before.
0:42:19 > 0:42:21- I enjoyed every moment.
0:42:21 > 0:42:23- We have one more duet.
0:42:24 > 0:42:28- Why did you choose - "Iesu, Iesu, 'Rwyt Ti'n Ddigon"?
0:42:29 > 0:42:32- My wife, Ceri, - likes David Lloyd a great deal...
0:42:32 > 0:42:34- ..and that song most of all.
0:42:34 > 0:42:37- I've seen her in tears - listening to it.
0:42:38 > 0:42:43- # Jesus, Jesus
0:42:43 > 0:42:48- # Thou my only pleasure #
0:42:49 > 0:42:50- I'm glad you chose it.
0:42:50 > 0:42:54- I think the world of David Lloyd. - He's one of my heroes.
0:42:55 > 0:42:59- You've chosen - a very special place to sing it.
0:42:59 > 0:43:03- Yes, Llandegfan Church - is close to my heart.
0:43:03 > 0:43:08- My grandparents lived in Tan - Y Fynwent, next to the graveyard.
0:43:08 > 0:43:11- My father was called - John Tan Y Fynwent.
0:43:11 > 0:43:14- My grandfather - was Wil Tan Y Fynwent.
0:43:14 > 0:43:17- Singing there - is very important to me.
0:43:17 > 0:43:20- My father would have - been very happy.
0:43:20 > 0:43:23- I have a lot of links to the church.
0:43:23 > 0:43:24- I look forward to singing with you.
0:43:24 > 0:43:26- I look forward to singing with you.- - Great. Me too.
0:43:26 > 0:43:27- Thank you very much.
0:43:27 > 0:43:28- Thank you very much.- - Thank you.
0:43:40 > 0:43:48- # Jesus, Jesus - - thou my only pleasure
0:43:49 > 0:43:56- # Naught like thee - this world contains
0:43:58 > 0:44:06- # In thy name is greater treasure
0:44:07 > 0:44:15- # Than in India's golden plains
0:44:17 > 0:44:21- # All completely
0:44:21 > 0:44:25- # All completely
0:44:26 > 0:44:34- # Jesus's love for me obtains
0:44:44 > 0:44:52- # Fair and ruddy is my Lord
0:44:53 > 0:45:01- # Fair and ruddy is his countenance
0:45:02 > 0:45:10- # King of the kings is he
0:45:11 > 0:45:20- # Here and yonder side of the grave
0:45:20 > 0:45:24- # Thy fairness
0:45:25 > 0:45:29- # Thy fairness
0:45:29 > 0:45:38- # Has won me back to thee
0:45:48 > 0:45:56- # Jesus, lovely is the aspect
0:45:57 > 0:46:05- # Of thy gracious face divine
0:46:06 > 0:46:15- # Eye hath seen no fairer object
0:46:16 > 0:46:24- # On this beauteous world of thine
0:46:24 > 0:46:28- # Rose of Sharon
0:46:29 > 0:46:33- # Rose of Sharon
0:46:33 > 0:46:42- # Heaven's glories in the shine
0:46:43 > 0:46:47- # Rose of Sharon
0:46:47 > 0:46:51- # Rose of Sharon
0:46:52 > 0:47:03- # Heaven's glories in thee shine #
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