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0:00:08 > 0:00:11- Hello and good evening to you all.
0:00:11 > 0:00:16- Tonight, I'm joined by one - of our most famous actors...
0:00:16 > 0:00:19- ..and a very talented trumpeter.
0:00:19 > 0:00:24- First, I want to extend - a very warm welcome...
0:00:24 > 0:00:28- ..to a singer who was dubbed - The Queen of Welsh Country Music.
0:00:28 > 0:00:30- It's Doreen Lewis.
0:00:31 > 0:00:34- Hello, Doreen - - The Queen of Welsh Country Music.
0:00:35 > 0:00:37- When did you start - singing country music?
0:00:38 > 0:00:43- I've always been interested - in singing since I was very young.
0:00:44 > 0:00:48- My interest in composing - started at the age of 14 or 15...
0:00:49 > 0:00:53- ..when my father gave me a guitar - for my birthday...
0:00:53 > 0:00:56- ..and I couldn't put it down.
0:00:56 > 0:01:01- I picked it up quite quickly and - taught myself to play three chords.
0:01:02 > 0:01:04- They were E, A and B7.
0:01:04 > 0:01:07- They were E, A and B7.- - You've got to have B7!
0:01:08 > 0:01:12- I was singing in a concert a few - weeks after receiving the guitar...
0:01:13 > 0:01:15- ..and the composing followed.
0:01:15 > 0:01:20- I only wrote about things - which were familiar to me.
0:01:20 > 0:01:24- I'm a country girl who is familiar - with rural everyday life...
0:01:25 > 0:01:30- ..so I sang country music - and was pigeonholed in this genre.
0:01:30 > 0:01:33- You sang various styles - in the early days.
0:01:33 > 0:01:37- Yes, I entered competitions - and eisteddfodau...
0:01:37 > 0:01:41- ..and we always sang - in school and Sunday School.
0:01:41 > 0:01:44- Country music tells a story.
0:01:44 > 0:01:47- Yes, and the lyrics are important - to the story.
0:01:48 > 0:01:51- I'd write the lyrics - and melody at the same time.
0:01:52 > 0:01:57- I'd start with a verse and chorus - and the other verses followed.
0:01:57 > 0:01:59- Do you have a favourite song?
0:02:00 > 0:02:05- I like Nans o'r Glyn - and Cae'r Blode Menyn.
0:02:05 > 0:02:10- Cae'r Blode Menyn is about an old - train that used to pass our house.
0:02:10 > 0:02:16- It ran for years - until Mr Beeching put an end to it.
0:02:16 > 0:02:18- It's a shame it stopped.
0:02:19 > 0:02:21- Do you still sing today?
0:02:21 > 0:02:24- Do you still sing today?- - I don't sing as often as I did.
0:02:25 > 0:02:27- It's time I'd had some "me time".
0:02:27 > 0:02:30- You can have - a bit of "me time" now.
0:02:30 > 0:02:35- Let's have a reminder of - The Queen of Welsh Country Music.
0:02:52 > 0:02:58- # "Don't destroy my home," - said the small calf and the cow
0:02:59 > 0:03:05- # "And don't destroy my home," - said the breeze
0:03:06 > 0:03:11- # "Don't destroy my home," - said the young family
0:03:11 > 0:03:19- # "And don't destroy my home," - said the God from the heavens
0:03:20 > 0:03:23- # If you don't have a home
0:03:23 > 0:03:26- # You don't have a place to exist
0:03:27 > 0:03:30- # You don't have a place - where you can grow
0:03:30 > 0:03:33- # From which to come and go
0:03:33 > 0:03:39- # If you don't have a home - or a place to rest your head
0:03:39 > 0:03:46- # Nothing will come of you - and it will all come to an end #
0:03:47 > 0:03:50- Oh, that was a wonderful song.
0:03:51 > 0:03:56- I'd forgotten all about it - until you played that clip!
0:03:56 > 0:04:02- I've still got that outfit - and the earrings too.
0:04:02 > 0:04:06- I've kept everything - including that suit and shoes.
0:04:06 > 0:04:09- I don't remember - you having dark hair, Doreen.
0:04:10 > 0:04:12- No, I don't remember it either.
0:04:12 > 0:04:15- Goodness me. - Where has the time gone?
0:04:15 > 0:04:20- It was wonderful - to hear that song again.
0:04:20 > 0:04:25- What's been the highlight - of your singing career?
0:04:25 > 0:04:27- Does anything stand out?
0:04:27 > 0:04:33- I thoroughly enjoyed the touring - and going to various places.
0:04:33 > 0:04:35- I went abroad a few times.
0:04:36 > 0:04:38- Kuwait was quite an experience...
0:04:39 > 0:04:42- ..and I also sang in Nigeria.
0:04:43 > 0:04:45- Was it a Welsh audience?
0:04:45 > 0:04:49- Yes, and I sang for - the London-Welsh a few times too.
0:04:49 > 0:04:52- There have been a lot - of memorable moments.
0:04:52 > 0:04:55- I sang in a lot of concerts - and it was a very busy time.
0:04:56 > 0:05:02- Today, you're known as - the mother of Caryl Lewis.
0:05:02 > 0:05:04- Yes, that's right.
0:05:04 > 0:05:10- I hadn't read her highly acclaimed - novel called Martha, Jac a Sianco...
0:05:10 > 0:05:15- ..so I read it on holiday - before the television dramatisation.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19- I enjoyed it so much. - I couldn't put it down.
0:05:19 > 0:05:24- Geraint couldn't understand - why I was laughing so much.
0:05:24 > 0:05:27- Her descriptions are excellent.
0:05:27 > 0:05:32- The harvest scene - took me back to my childhood.
0:05:32 > 0:05:35- Did she inherit - this talent from you?
0:05:35 > 0:05:41- I always composed my songs - quite late in the night...
0:05:42 > 0:05:47- ..and I'd wake the children - so they could listen to my new song.
0:05:47 > 0:05:50- They thought I was mad - but that's how it was.
0:05:50 > 0:05:53- They were raised - around this creativity.
0:05:53 > 0:05:55- She witnessed this storytelling.
0:05:55 > 0:05:56- She witnessed this storytelling.- - Yes, she did.
0:05:57 > 0:06:03- She saw the joy that comes - from writing something yourself.
0:06:03 > 0:06:06- It can be good or bad - but it's your own work.
0:06:07 > 0:06:09- She was raised in this atmosphere.
0:06:10 > 0:06:11- Caryl is a mother too.
0:06:12 > 0:06:15- Yes, we have Joseff Hedd - and Gwenno Mair.
0:06:15 > 0:06:16- How old are they?
0:06:17 > 0:06:21- Hedd is three - and Gwenno is 18 months old.
0:06:21 > 0:06:24- They're quite a handful - to look after!
0:06:24 > 0:06:28- Have they taken over your life, - Doreen?
0:06:28 > 0:06:31- It's wonderful to have them.
0:06:31 > 0:06:36- Hedd and Gwenno remind me of my time - as a mother with Gwyndaf and Caryl.
0:06:36 > 0:06:39- Gwenno has auburn hair, - like her mother...
0:06:39 > 0:06:43- ..and Hedd is blonde - and Gwyndaf was blonde as a boy.
0:06:44 > 0:06:48- I feel like a mother again but I can - give them back when I get tired!
0:06:49 > 0:06:51- That's the great thing about it.
0:06:51 > 0:06:53- That's great.
0:06:53 > 0:06:57- It's been wonderful - to chat with you, Doreen.
0:06:57 > 0:06:59- We haven't seen each other since...
0:06:59 > 0:07:02- We haven't seen each other since...- - It's been years and years!
0:07:02 > 0:07:03- Thank you for your company.
0:07:03 > 0:07:05- Thank you for your company.- - It's fine.
0:07:05 > 0:07:10- It's been lovely to see you again - and reminisce.
0:07:10 > 0:07:14- We leave a performer who's been - in the business for years...
0:07:15 > 0:07:20- ..to meet the young, talented - trumpeter, Matthew Williams.
0:07:26 > 0:07:31- The trumpet isn't as popular - as the piano or the violin...
0:07:31 > 0:07:34- ..but did you choose the trumpet?
0:07:34 > 0:07:38- Yes, it was my decision to play it.
0:07:38 > 0:07:43- However, my brother was first - to have lessons at school.
0:07:43 > 0:07:46- I followed suit and had lessons too.
0:07:46 > 0:07:51- Every Friday night, - I had lessons behind the pharmacy...
0:07:51 > 0:07:54- ..with Idris Rees in Pontyates.
0:07:54 > 0:07:57- I played long notes for 30 minutes.
0:07:57 > 0:08:02- He had a table to record - the length of each note in seconds.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05- Did he prepare you for competitions?
0:08:05 > 0:08:08- I had lessons with him - for a year...
0:08:08 > 0:08:13- ..before taking private lessons with - my peripatetic teacher from school.
0:08:14 > 0:08:16- Did you play in a brass band?
0:08:16 > 0:08:21- Yes, my teacher was the conductor - of the Llanelli Brass Band...
0:08:22 > 0:08:26- ..and I rehearsed with them - for two hours on a Sunday night.
0:08:26 > 0:08:28- We competed and I did solos too.
0:08:29 > 0:08:32- We went everywhere - such as Preston, Swansea...
0:08:33 > 0:08:36- ..Neath, Burry Port and Ammanford.
0:08:37 > 0:08:40- What's your ambition in life, - Matthew?
0:08:40 > 0:08:45- I'd like to play - in a professional orchestra.
0:08:45 > 0:08:47- Which orchestra?
0:08:48 > 0:08:54- I've got two trials for the - BBC Philharmonic in Manchester...
0:08:54 > 0:08:58- ..a trial for principal trumpet - in Bournemouth...
0:08:58 > 0:09:03- ..and for principal trumpet with the - Royal Scottish National Orchestra.
0:09:03 > 0:09:09- It proves you're a talented musician - and I can't wait to hear you.
0:09:09 > 0:09:12- What are you performing for us?
0:09:12 > 0:09:18- It's Virtuosity by Kenny Baker - and includes a bit of jazz.
0:09:18 > 0:09:21- Let's hear Matthew Williams.
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0:13:12 > 0:13:17- I hope you enjoyed listening - to the talented Matthew Williams.
0:13:18 > 0:13:24- I'm now joined by the famous actor - I mentioned earlier.
0:13:24 > 0:13:28- Welcome to DH or Dafydd Hywel, - to give him his full name.
0:13:28 > 0:13:32- My full name - is actually David Hywel Evans.
0:13:32 > 0:13:35- Rhydderch Jones - changed it to Dafydd Hywel.
0:13:36 > 0:13:39- Well done, Rhydderch. - Dafydd Hywel suits you!
0:13:39 > 0:13:44- Have you been acting - since you were a child?
0:13:45 > 0:13:47- No, I think I was like - a lot of people.
0:13:48 > 0:13:53- At Christmas, I never played Joseph - but was always a Wise Man!
0:13:53 > 0:13:55- It was quite hit-and-miss.
0:13:55 > 0:14:01- I went to Swansea College or the - Brothel on the Hill as it was known.
0:14:01 > 0:14:06- I already had a teaching post - at a school in Pontypridd...
0:14:06 > 0:14:08- ..but I failed my exams.
0:14:08 > 0:14:13- However, I performed in three plays - whilst at college.
0:14:13 > 0:14:15- One of them was a fluke.
0:14:15 > 0:14:18- We'd gone to Barry - to see Y Crochan.
0:14:18 > 0:14:23- It starred Myfi Talog - and the director, Gwyn Hughes Jones.
0:14:23 > 0:14:28- On the way home, Peter Fay from - Brynamman asked me to take his part.
0:14:28 > 0:14:32- I'd had a few sherbets - by this time and agreed to it.
0:14:32 > 0:14:37- The scriptwriter was Emyr Jones, - the father of Dafydd Emyr.
0:14:37 > 0:14:39- Emyr Jones was excellent.
0:14:39 > 0:14:43- Emyr finished - and was replaced by Vic John...
0:14:43 > 0:14:47- ..who suggested - I follow a training scheme.
0:14:47 > 0:14:50- As it happens, - I failed that exam too.
0:14:50 > 0:14:54- To this day, I can't remember - what I said or read...
0:14:55 > 0:14:56- ..but I fell into it.
0:14:56 > 0:15:01- It wasn't until Dad was on his - deathbed that he knew what I did.
0:15:01 > 0:15:05- I told him I was paid 10 - for a day's television work!
0:15:05 > 0:15:08- "Do whatever you want," he said.
0:15:08 > 0:15:13- You're a rugby fan, - so were you raised with the game?
0:15:13 > 0:15:15- Yes, at Amman United RFC.
0:15:15 > 0:15:20- That club has nurtured many Wales - and Lions players...
0:15:20 > 0:15:25- ..such as Shane Williams, - Trevor Evans and Claude Davey.
0:15:25 > 0:15:29- I live in Capel Hendre and watch - Amman United play on Saturdays.
0:15:30 > 0:15:35- One rugby personality - was a huge fan of yours.
0:15:36 > 0:15:40- I'd like you to watch this clip.
0:15:40 > 0:15:45- Is there still - one specific ambition...
0:15:45 > 0:15:48- ..that you'd like to fulfil?
0:15:48 > 0:15:50- Yes, Margaret.
0:15:50 > 0:15:53- I'd love to star - in a blockbuster film...
0:15:54 > 0:15:58- ..with Robert De Niro on one side - and Dafydd Hywel on the other!
0:15:59 > 0:16:03- I would absolutely love that.
0:16:03 > 0:16:08- I've always played - second fiddle to Robert De Niro!
0:16:08 > 0:16:10- Ray was very fond of you.
0:16:10 > 0:16:12- Ray was very fond of you.- - Yes, we knew each other for years.
0:16:12 > 0:16:14- He was a very dear friend.
0:16:15 > 0:16:18- I still expect him - to walk around the corner.
0:16:19 > 0:16:21- You heard him before you saw him!
0:16:21 > 0:16:25- We enjoyed quiet nights - at his home...
0:16:25 > 0:16:30- ..or he would visit me in Caerphilly - when the children were young.
0:16:30 > 0:16:33- I have fond memories of Ray.
0:16:33 > 0:16:39- You didn't act alongside Ray, but - have appeared with legendary actors.
0:16:40 > 0:16:43- I did Peak Practice, - Dangerfield and Out of Love.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46- I enjoyed Peak Practice.
0:16:46 > 0:16:51- Gary Mavers from Liverpool - was a great co-star.
0:16:51 > 0:16:55- He was completely different - from Nigel Havers in Dangerfield.
0:16:56 > 0:16:57- Did you like him?
0:16:57 > 0:17:00- Did you like him?- - No, I hated the swine!
0:17:00 > 0:17:03- He's currently appearing - in Coronation Street.
0:17:04 > 0:17:06- I stopped watching it - because of him!
0:17:07 > 0:17:09- You're turning into Alf Garnant!
0:17:10 > 0:17:13- Years ago, - the BBC was a hive of activity.
0:17:13 > 0:17:16- It was fantastic - and had real characters.
0:17:17 > 0:17:20- Dewi Pws christened me Alf Garnant.
0:17:20 > 0:17:24- I had to get involved - in every argument at the club.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27- He had a blackboard that said...
0:17:28 > 0:17:33- .."Preaching tonight - DH Evans. - Topic - anything under the sun!"
0:17:33 > 0:17:36- That's where Alf Garnant came from.
0:17:36 > 0:17:40- You've mentioned all these things...
0:17:40 > 0:17:43- ..but you joined me in the 1980s - and sang this song.
0:17:44 > 0:17:48- # I travelled the world - from sea to sea
0:17:49 > 0:17:53- # In the foolish days of my youth
0:17:53 > 0:17:57- # The grass will grow - to cover my tracks
0:17:57 > 0:18:01- # Before I return to Wales
0:18:01 > 0:18:06- # Before I return to Wales, - my friends
0:18:06 > 0:18:11- # Before I return to Wales
0:18:11 > 0:18:17- # Oh, the grass will grow - to cover my tracks
0:18:17 > 0:18:20- # Before I return to Wales #
0:18:21 > 0:18:25- Oh, I liked that and - you were singing from the heart.
0:18:25 > 0:18:29- You're the only person - to ask me to sing on television.
0:18:29 > 0:18:34- I did sing on Melltith Ar Y Nyth - with Dewi Pws and Robin Griffiths...
0:18:35 > 0:18:37- ..but that's the only time.
0:18:37 > 0:18:41- That song was from a production - by Wilbert Lloyd Roberts...
0:18:41 > 0:18:44- ..when the theatre company - was starting out.
0:18:45 > 0:18:48- It's quite a famous folk song.
0:18:48 > 0:18:51- We have to mention Pobol Y Cwm.
0:18:51 > 0:18:53- Were you in it - from the very beginning?
0:18:54 > 0:18:57- No, I started two years - into the series.
0:18:58 > 0:19:00- I'd already done Bilidowcar...
0:19:00 > 0:19:07- ..when John Hefin invited me - to play Jac Daniels in Pobol Y Cwm.
0:19:08 > 0:19:14- I only drank Jack Daniels because - Grav told me about the bourbon.
0:19:14 > 0:19:18- I played him as a man - from Pembrokeshire.
0:19:18 > 0:19:23- I was in it for three years but - I'll never forget when I started.
0:19:24 > 0:19:27- In those days, - it was broadcast once a week...
0:19:28 > 0:19:30- ..so we had plenty of time - to rehearse.
0:19:31 > 0:19:33- You had a whole week - to make one episode.
0:19:34 > 0:19:36- Yes, to film and rehearse.
0:19:36 > 0:19:42- I'd started in Pobol Y Cwm with - Charles Williams, a Welsh icon.
0:19:42 > 0:19:47- We were in the pub in Cwmderi - and they started singing Hogia Ni.
0:19:48 > 0:19:52- I wasn't sure - if I should say something or not.
0:19:52 > 0:19:57- I said that it wouldn't be sung in - Cwmamman and the Gwendraeth Valley.
0:19:57 > 0:19:59- People wouldn't understand it.
0:20:00 > 0:20:01- Is that right?
0:20:01 > 0:20:03- Is that right?- - They wouldn't have a clue!
0:20:04 > 0:20:07- I remember Charles - was a bit annoyed.
0:20:07 > 0:20:09- He was always angry with me.
0:20:09 > 0:20:12- Charles and I never saw eye-to-eye.
0:20:12 > 0:20:17- Fair do's to John Hefin because - he came down and said I was right...
0:20:17 > 0:20:20- ..and they didn't sing Hogia Ni.
0:20:21 > 0:20:25- I argue with Catrin, my daughter, - about one thing.
0:20:25 > 0:20:28- Why do they ask - for "sudd oren" in Y Deri?
0:20:28 > 0:20:33- Nobody would know what you meant if - you wanted "sudd oren" in Glanamman.
0:20:34 > 0:20:39- They don't hate the language, - but simply call it orange juice!
0:20:40 > 0:20:46- I thought everyone - would sing Hogia Ni.
0:20:46 > 0:20:51- We used to sing Swing Low, Sweet - Chariot just like the English...
0:20:51 > 0:20:56- ..but don't any more because the - English sing it at rugby matches!
0:20:57 > 0:21:01- It's been a pleasure to see you - and I could chat to you all night.
0:21:01 > 0:21:05- Dafydd Hywel, thank you so much - for joining me tonight.
0:21:06 > 0:21:08- Please don't ask me to sing!
0:21:08 > 0:21:11- Please don't ask me to sing!- - Don't worry, I've got a clip of us.
0:21:11 > 0:21:15- I'm doing my best - to sing a rock song with you.
0:21:16 > 0:21:18- I'm awful but let's take a look.
0:21:18 > 0:21:20- I hope you all forgive me.
0:21:21 > 0:21:27- My thanks to Dafydd Hywel, - Doreen, Matthew and you at home.
0:21:27 > 0:21:30- I hope you can join me again - next week.
0:21:30 > 0:21:35- We close with a clip of - the pair of us attempting to sing!
0:21:35 > 0:21:36- Goodnight.
0:21:37 > 0:21:41- # Lleucu has died - but the flowers are still in bloom
0:21:41 > 0:21:46- # We don't hear the cry of the gulls - or the song of the wren
0:21:46 > 0:21:53- # The love has faltered - and the leaves have changed colour
0:21:53 > 0:21:59- # Lleucu has died - but the flowers are still in bloom
0:22:04 > 0:22:07- # It was only a lifetime
0:22:09 > 0:22:14- # She only had a moment
0:22:14 > 0:22:17- # The autumn came calling
0:22:18 > 0:22:23- # She melted into winter and left me
0:22:23 > 0:22:28- # Lleucu has died - but the flowers are still in bloom
0:22:28 > 0:22:33- # We don't hear the cry of the gulls - or the song of the wren
0:22:33 > 0:22:39- # The love has faltered - and the leaves have changed colour
0:22:39 > 0:22:45- # Lleucu has died - but the flowers are still in bloom
0:22:46 > 0:22:50- # Lleucu has died - but the flowers are still in bloom
0:22:50 > 0:22:55- # We don't hear the cry of the gulls - or the song of the wren
0:22:55 > 0:23:00- # The love has faltered - and the leaves have changed colour
0:23:01 > 0:23:06- # Lleucu has died - but the flowers still live on
0:23:07 > 0:23:11- # Lleucu has died - but the flowers are still in bloom
0:23:12 > 0:23:16- # We don't hear the cry of the gulls - or the song of the wren
0:23:17 > 0:23:21- # The love has faltered - and the leaves have changed colour
0:23:22 > 0:23:28- # Lleucu has died - but the flowers are still in bloom #
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