0:00:21 > 0:00:25- Everyone stop having fun, - the summer's over.
0:00:25 > 0:00:27- No more festivals for anyone, - thank you.
0:00:27 > 0:00:30- Don't worry too much, - here's what's coming up.
0:00:38 > 0:00:42- We start in the studio with a band - who release their material secretly.
0:00:42 > 0:00:46- You have to contact them on Twitter - to get hold of their stuff.
0:00:47 > 0:00:49- That shows you - how easy it is to get on Ochr 1!
0:00:49 > 0:00:52- Please welcome Dau Cefn.
0:05:08 > 0:05:09- More from Dau Cefn later.
0:05:09 > 0:05:13- We'd planned on celebrating Topper - getting back together...
0:05:13 > 0:05:15- ..with an Ochr 1 special.
0:05:15 > 0:05:19- We were told young people wouldn't - be interested in such things.
0:05:19 > 0:05:23- So, Hedydd Ioan filmed an item - for us instead.
0:05:23 > 0:05:25- Hedydd is 13.
0:05:26 > 0:05:28- Mr Evans, - what are you doing here today?
0:05:28 > 0:05:29- Rehearsing.
0:05:29 > 0:05:30- With who?
0:05:30 > 0:05:32- With who?- - Topper.
0:05:32 > 0:05:34- Do you remember the old boppers?
0:05:39 > 0:05:43- Recently, Topper reformed, - one of Wales' most popular bands...
0:05:43 > 0:05:46- ..in the late '90s and early '00s.
0:05:46 > 0:05:50- They played to a crowd - at Festival No.6 in Portmeirion.
0:06:01 > 0:06:04- Are you looking forward - to coming back as Topper?
0:06:04 > 0:06:07- Yes, it sounds better - than it did first time round.
0:06:08 > 0:06:12- After forming in 1992 - under the name Paladr...
0:06:12 > 0:06:15- ..the band changed their name - to Topper...
0:06:15 > 0:06:18- ..after recording their first EP - with Ankst, Arch Noa.
0:06:18 > 0:06:22- The record was produced - by Mark Roberts of Catatonia.
0:06:23 > 0:06:25- Why did you reform now?
0:06:25 > 0:06:29- It's amazed us - how the songs have endured.
0:06:29 > 0:06:33- It doesn't feel like - we're playing old, old songs.
0:06:33 > 0:06:36- The sound still feels live.
0:06:37 > 0:06:40- Topper went on - to record three albums...
0:06:41 > 0:06:43- ..as well as a live session - for John Peel.
0:06:45 > 0:06:49- They played their last gig at one - of the era's most popular festivals.
0:06:49 > 0:06:51- Our last gig was in Miri Madog.
0:06:51 > 0:06:54- That was back in 2005.
0:06:55 > 0:06:57- Eleven years ago.
0:06:57 > 0:06:59- Why choose to come back?
0:07:01 > 0:07:02- Passion!
0:07:04 > 0:07:06- We missed Topper!
0:07:07 > 0:07:10- Passion, and we've had - eleven years to rehearse!
0:07:12 > 0:07:14- Topper has reformed.
0:07:14 > 0:07:18- But we're just not making - any promises at the moment.
0:07:20 > 0:07:22- We're taking every day as it comes.
0:07:22 > 0:07:28- We've been offered more stuff - on the back of Festival No.6.
0:07:29 > 0:07:31- The lads from Topper - have arrived to join me.
0:07:32 > 0:07:34- Dyfrig Topper, - for the first time in years...
0:07:34 > 0:07:36- ..I get to say Topper's here!
0:07:36 > 0:07:40- Yes, it's a bit - of a strange situation.
0:07:40 > 0:07:41- What happened?
0:07:43 > 0:07:47- We started toying with the idea, - I think it was last year...
0:07:48 > 0:07:50- ..of doing a gig.
0:07:50 > 0:07:51- I remember that.
0:07:51 > 0:07:53- We were offered Festival No.6.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58- Everyone agreed to do it. - It was that simple.
0:07:59 > 0:08:01- Before their performance - at Festival No.6...
0:08:02 > 0:08:05- ..they made - a special guest appearance...
0:08:05 > 0:08:07- ..at a gig - in Neuadd Ogwen, Bethesda.
0:08:08 > 0:08:11- There's a definite excitement - back in the Welsh music scene.
0:08:11 > 0:08:14- It's more like it was in the 1990s.
0:08:19 > 0:08:24- Please give a warm welcome - to Topper!
0:08:41 > 0:08:45- After Festival No.6, - we're going to see what happens.
0:08:46 > 0:08:49- Some of us - have families and children.
0:08:49 > 0:08:52- We've been offered - a few things on TV.
0:08:52 > 0:08:55- I think we're going to do those.
0:08:55 > 0:08:59- We've been offered gigs to do, - but there's no pressure.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02- If we celebrate - after Festival No.6...
0:09:02 > 0:09:06- ..we might call it a success - and leave it for another 15 years!
0:09:14 > 0:09:16- Yws Gwynedd has released a song...
0:09:16 > 0:09:19- ..about how we're all obsessed - with our phones.
0:09:19 > 0:09:21- Here he is with Sgrin.
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0:12:17 > 0:12:19- Subtitles- - Subtitles
0:12:24 > 0:12:30- Recently, Sain have released an app - for streaming Welsh music online.
0:12:30 > 0:12:34- Here's some more information - about the service.
0:12:38 > 0:12:41- Robin, tell me a little bit - about Apton.
0:12:42 > 0:12:46- Apton is the first - Welsh streaming app.
0:12:46 > 0:12:52- We felt that we needed to move - with the technological times.
0:12:55 > 0:12:58- There was an opportunity - to make something of it...
0:12:59 > 0:13:01- ..in terms of Welsh music - and we help each other.
0:13:02 > 0:13:05- With so many options - of how to listen to music...
0:13:05 > 0:13:08- ..why should people buy Apton?
0:13:08 > 0:13:11- In the same way - the other streaming apps work...
0:13:12 > 0:13:16- ..there are playlists - you can create yourself.
0:13:16 > 0:13:19- You can also use it offline.
0:13:19 > 0:13:22- We've tried to offer something - a bit more exclusive.
0:13:22 > 0:13:27- There's a complete catalogue - of Sain's vinyl.
0:13:27 > 0:13:29- That's never been released on CD.
0:13:29 > 0:13:32- You get 30 days for free.
0:13:32 > 0:13:36- From then on, it costs 6 per month.
0:13:36 > 0:13:38- That's the basic package.
0:13:39 > 0:13:44- There's an option to upgrade to - the premium package for 9 a month.
0:13:44 > 0:13:47- From that one, - you can access the vinyl catalogue.
0:13:48 > 0:13:50- It's an old archive - that hasn't been released.
0:13:55 > 0:13:59- Do other labels contribute - their material to the app?
0:13:59 > 0:14:01- Yes, they do.
0:14:01 > 0:14:06- It's important to note, that doesn't - mean it's exclusive to Apton.
0:14:06 > 0:14:09- It will still be available - on Spotify etc.
0:14:10 > 0:14:11- But that's a part of it.
0:14:12 > 0:14:15- It's the same idea - as fair trade, in a way.
0:14:16 > 0:14:19- We're trying - to support the artists too.
0:14:19 > 0:14:22- We're hoping to pay our artists...
0:14:23 > 0:14:27- ..thirty times more per play - than Spotify does.
0:14:28 > 0:14:30- That's a big difference - when you think about it.
0:14:30 > 0:14:33- Much of the success - of these things...
0:14:33 > 0:14:36- ..come from how they work - and how they are to operate.
0:14:36 > 0:14:37- Have you seen a test?
0:14:37 > 0:14:42- Yes, I've played around - with the prototype quite a lot.
0:14:42 > 0:14:44- It's really good and slick.
0:14:44 > 0:14:45- It's very visual.
0:14:49 > 0:14:52- Am I right to say - that you're trying to get music...
0:14:52 > 0:14:55- ..from other bands - in other minority languages?
0:14:55 > 0:15:00- Yes, that is something - we're looking for in the long term.
0:15:00 > 0:15:04- That's just because the potential - of the thing could be huge.
0:15:04 > 0:15:08- At the moment, there's nothing - like that for World music...
0:15:08 > 0:15:10- ..or for minority languages.
0:15:10 > 0:15:13- We've been in touch - with organizations like WOMEX...
0:15:13 > 0:15:18- ..and Welsh cultural events - in America and Patagonia.
0:15:18 > 0:15:21- If you think about it - from that point of view...
0:15:21 > 0:15:24- ..it could be very exciting - for the language.
0:15:25 > 0:15:27- Has there been a big response?
0:15:27 > 0:15:28- It's been great.
0:15:29 > 0:15:32- I've been collecting names - and email addresses.
0:15:32 > 0:15:34- It's been great.
0:15:34 > 0:15:37- We're releasing it - at the end of September.
0:15:37 > 0:15:40- We're just trying to get everyone - ready for that.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43- We need to make sure - people know about it.
0:15:43 > 0:15:46- I look forward - to seeing how it looks.
0:15:51 > 0:15:54- A warm welcome to the studio, - Dau Cefn.
0:15:54 > 0:15:57- It's a new set-up with a full band.
0:15:57 > 0:15:59- Tell me about how it came together.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03- I've been doing electronic stuff - with Lindsay for years.
0:16:04 > 0:16:09- We'd just stand there looking like - a bad version of the Pet Shop Boys.
0:16:11 > 0:16:15- I think it's possible - that Lindsay lost the sounds.
0:16:15 > 0:16:17- You had to do it live!
0:16:18 > 0:16:21- He accidentally wiped the stuff - off the computer.
0:16:21 > 0:16:26- We've just started as the six-piece - jazz funk collective...
0:16:26 > 0:16:27- ..or whatever it is.
0:16:27 > 0:16:31- We've got some - interesting instruments in there.
0:16:31 > 0:16:36- It sounds a lot more organic than - what I heard from you in the past.
0:16:36 > 0:16:38- Is that deliberate?
0:16:38 > 0:16:39- Yes, it isn't deliberate.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42- As I said, we lost the master tapes.
0:16:42 > 0:16:46- After that, we said, - "Quick, we need to start a band."
0:16:47 > 0:16:49- A really bad version - of the Blues Brothers.
0:16:50 > 0:16:51- Do you have an old police car?
0:16:52 > 0:16:53- We have to get the band together.
0:16:53 > 0:16:56- We have to get the band together.- - Picking Gwyn Maffia up in Bethesda!
0:16:56 > 0:16:57- That's what it was.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02- Fair play to Gwyn, he listened - to stuff on SoundCloud.
0:17:02 > 0:17:06- He really liked it and got into - the mindset of what we wanted to do.
0:17:06 > 0:17:08- We've just clicked since then.
0:17:09 > 0:17:12- Since the two rehearsals we've had.
0:17:12 > 0:17:16- Despite changing the sound, - your lyrics are still strong.
0:17:17 > 0:17:23- On the first hearing, - they can sound slightly bonkers.
0:17:23 > 0:17:27- But a lot more thought - goes into them than I expected.
0:17:28 > 0:17:30- Nobody usually writes them down.
0:17:31 > 0:17:34- I've read through Machynlleth.
0:17:34 > 0:17:36- There are a lot of sad elements - in this.
0:17:37 > 0:17:41- One of my favourite couplets is - "I have no idea what I'm writing...
0:17:41 > 0:17:44- .."I spend too much time - in my parents' house hiding."
0:17:45 > 0:17:49- What's with Machynlleth? - Does it represent something wider?
0:17:49 > 0:17:52- It's got a personal meaning - for everyone.
0:17:52 > 0:17:55- I do go to mum's house a lot.
0:17:55 > 0:17:58- I go for tea and supper.
0:17:58 > 0:18:00- I always think mid Wales - gets ignored...
0:18:01 > 0:18:04- ..people frequently speak - about the North and South.
0:18:04 > 0:18:06- So, you're in the middle.
0:18:06 > 0:18:08- Yes, I suppose.
0:18:09 > 0:18:10- The emotional heart.
0:18:10 > 0:18:11- No.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15- Emotionally, - I'm just a complete wreck.
0:18:15 > 0:18:19- The other song you recorded today, - Sipsi or Sipsiwn.
0:18:19 > 0:18:23- Is that the plural? - "Sipsiwn" - gypsies?
0:18:23 > 0:18:25- I think so.
0:18:25 > 0:18:27- Is it PC to say that?
0:18:27 > 0:18:30- I'm not sure, that's what - I was going to ask you.
0:18:30 > 0:18:33- The words are quite witty.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36- You talk about the gypsy - who used to make tarmac.
0:18:37 > 0:18:39- What's the story there?
0:18:39 > 0:18:42- Lindsay wrote a tune...
0:18:42 > 0:18:47- ..that had - quite a Balkan feel to it.
0:18:47 > 0:18:53- He'd been discussing a guy he knew - who'd been to Dover...
0:18:53 > 0:18:56- ..and got in with the wrong crowd.
0:18:56 > 0:19:02- He ended up working for a gypsy - building patios and what not.
0:19:02 > 0:19:07- There's a tiny minority of bad ones. - I don't want to get in trouble.
0:19:07 > 0:19:09- This is a slippery slope.
0:19:09 > 0:19:12- Obviously, there are others...
0:19:12 > 0:19:15- What's that boxing champion called?
0:19:15 > 0:19:17- I don't want to upset him.
0:19:17 > 0:19:21- No, you don't want Tyson Fury - coming after you.
0:19:21 > 0:19:22- Yes.
0:19:22 > 0:19:25- Tell us a little about the EP. - Where can it be bought?
0:19:26 > 0:19:29- It isn't being sold - in the usual shops.
0:19:29 > 0:19:31- We have a Twitter account.
0:19:31 > 0:19:36- If you ask us for a CD, - we'll post you one.
0:19:37 > 0:19:39- It's an exclusive club.
0:19:39 > 0:19:40- It's an exclusive club.- - It's not exclusive.
0:19:41 > 0:19:43- Two people have asked for one.
0:19:43 > 0:19:45- I've got a load of copies.
0:19:46 > 0:19:48- They're all in the house.
0:19:50 > 0:19:55- I've had to use, - you know, those Sharpie pens...
0:19:56 > 0:19:57- ..Lindsay did the cover.
0:19:57 > 0:20:01- He misspelt Machynlleth.
0:20:02 > 0:20:03- He put Machynllech.
0:20:04 > 0:20:08- That's what I've had to do. - I've had to change the C into a T.
0:20:08 > 0:20:10- I've called it an appetizer.
0:20:11 > 0:20:15- We've got loads of other songs - we're trying to do.
0:20:16 > 0:20:17- Between going to work...
0:20:18 > 0:20:21- ..and being arrested by the - Equal Opportunities People.
0:20:22 > 0:20:27- If someone wants a copy, - our Twitter handle is on the screen.
0:20:28 > 0:20:29- There? There it is.
0:20:30 > 0:20:31- Let's hope it will be!
0:20:32 > 0:20:33- Thanks for coming in.
0:20:33 > 0:20:34- Thanks for coming in.- - Thanks for the offer.
0:20:35 > 0:20:37- I really enjoyed it.
0:20:37 > 0:20:40- I hope people will enjoy - the new band for many years...
0:20:40 > 0:20:44- ..as long as we're alive - and kicking!
0:20:44 > 0:20:45- Good luck.
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