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0:00:23 > 0:00:26- Welcome to the last Ochr 1 - in the series.
0:00:26 > 0:00:32- Unfortunately, the production crew - thought there were only 8 episodes.
0:00:32 > 0:00:34- That means we're a programme short.
0:00:34 > 0:00:36- But don't worry.
0:00:36 > 0:00:39- We've been trawling - through the archive...
0:00:39 > 0:00:42- ..and we've found a gem - of a programme from 1974...
0:00:43 > 0:00:46- ..called Cil y Drws, - focusing on the band Saron.
0:01:08 > 0:01:12- Good evening, friends. - Welcome to the programme.
0:01:12 > 0:01:18- This week, we're having a look at - the young band from Dyfed, Saron.
0:01:19 > 0:01:21- Now, who are Saron?
0:01:21 > 0:01:24- They're called Siwan Morris - and Sian Wyn.
0:01:24 > 0:01:28- It's a great pleasure - to welcome them here tonight...
0:01:28 > 0:01:31- ..to sing a few songs - and to have a chat.
0:01:31 > 0:01:35- For now, I'm going to - leave everything in their hands.
0:01:35 > 0:01:38- I'm sure - you've heard this song before.
0:01:39 > 0:01:42- To sing O Saron i Saron, - here's Saron.
0:04:15 > 0:04:17- Well done. I enjoyed that. - Take a seat.
0:04:21 > 0:04:24- Well, ladies, welcome to Cil y Drws.
0:04:24 > 0:04:25- It's nice to have you here.
0:04:25 > 0:04:26- It's nice to have you here.- - It's nice to be here.
0:04:27 > 0:04:27- Thanks for having us, Englyn.
0:04:27 > 0:04:29- Thanks for having us, Englyn.- - No problem at all.
0:04:29 > 0:04:33- You've just sung - the lovely song O Saron i Saron.
0:04:33 > 0:04:35- Tell us a little about the song.
0:04:36 > 0:04:40- Well, Englyn, we travelled up from - Saron, Ammanford, where we live...
0:04:41 > 0:04:44- ..to record our LP, - Dail y Gaeaf, in the north.
0:04:45 > 0:04:48- As we reached our destination, - we discovered...
0:04:48 > 0:04:53- ..that the recording studio - was in a village called Saron.
0:04:53 > 0:04:55- Well, well, what a coincidence.
0:04:56 > 0:04:59- It made us feel at home, - to be honest.
0:04:59 > 0:05:01- I'm sure it did, fair play.
0:05:02 > 0:05:06- Now then, in case you at home - aren't familiar with the band...
0:05:06 > 0:05:09- ..let's find out - exactly who Saron are.
0:05:17 > 0:05:19- Saron, the pop duo from Dyfed.
0:05:19 > 0:05:23- Little did they know that a year - after filming this video...
0:05:23 > 0:05:27- ..they would be one of Wales' - most popular groups...
0:05:27 > 0:05:30- ..filling halls - with their lively performances...
0:05:30 > 0:05:33- ..starring on Welsh TV and radio...
0:05:33 > 0:05:36- ..and appearing at dances - all over the country.
0:05:40 > 0:05:42- Natives of Saron near Carmarthen...
0:05:43 > 0:05:47- ..Sian Wyn and Siwan Morris - became friends at Sunday school.
0:05:47 > 0:05:50- Both came - from very musical families...
0:05:50 > 0:05:54- ..and music played a big part - in their upbringing.
0:05:57 > 0:06:02- They started performing at local - concerts and chapel services.
0:06:03 > 0:06:06- They became well known locally - in next to no time.
0:06:09 > 0:06:13- But things changed - when Elfed Saunders Jones...
0:06:13 > 0:06:18- ..the gifted producer - at Arwydd Records, heard the band.
0:06:18 > 0:06:21- He summoned the duo to the studio...
0:06:21 > 0:06:25- ..where they recorded - their first single, O Saron i Saron.
0:06:27 > 0:06:32- The single shot up the charts - and the group enjoyed great success.
0:06:34 > 0:06:36- They performed all over Wales...
0:06:36 > 0:06:40- ..and crowds thronged - to see this exciting new pop group.
0:06:41 > 0:06:45- Who knows what's next - for the Dyfed duo?
0:06:46 > 0:06:49- Will they be this decade's - Triawd y Buarth?
0:06:49 > 0:06:50- Time will tell.
0:06:55 > 0:06:56- Well, well.
0:06:56 > 0:06:59- A very successful year, I'd say.
0:06:59 > 0:07:04- You've been in the studio recently, - recording your first LP.
0:07:04 > 0:07:06- What was that experience like?
0:07:06 > 0:07:08- What was that experience like?- - It was a brilliant experience.
0:07:08 > 0:07:14- We got a chance to develop a new - sound with Elfed Saunders Jones.
0:07:14 > 0:07:16- Remind us - who Elfed Saunders Jones is.
0:07:17 > 0:07:21- Elfed produced the LP for us - in the studio.
0:07:21 > 0:07:26- He plays piano and keyboards for us - when we play live...
0:07:26 > 0:07:27- ..and he also keeps us in line.
0:07:27 > 0:07:30- ..and he also keeps us in line.- - I'm sure he tries his best!
0:07:30 > 0:07:34- It's hard to believe - that this only started a year ago.
0:07:35 > 0:07:36- This is another interesting story.
0:07:36 > 0:07:38- This is another interesting story.- - Yes, it is.
0:07:38 > 0:07:43- We were sitting in a Welsh lesson, - reading Ymadawiad Arthur...
0:07:44 > 0:07:45- ..by T Gwynn Jones.
0:07:45 > 0:07:47- ..by T Gwynn Jones.- - A classic.
0:07:48 > 0:07:50- In walked Miss Williams.
0:07:50 > 0:07:54- She wanted to take me - to Mr Walsh the headmaster's office.
0:07:54 > 0:07:56- I got quite a fright.
0:07:57 > 0:07:59- I thought - I'd done something wrong.
0:07:59 > 0:08:03- She took me there, - and I was on the brink of tears.
0:08:04 > 0:08:07- She opened the door, - and who was there but Sian!
0:08:07 > 0:08:08- It was you!
0:08:10 > 0:08:14- Mr Walsh said that we'd had - a phone call from the north...
0:08:15 > 0:08:16- ..asking if we as a duo...
0:08:16 > 0:08:19- ..wanted to record an album - at Stiwdio Arwydd.
0:08:20 > 0:08:22- Exciting news, - and Siwan didn't get a row!
0:08:22 > 0:08:26- Exciting, and quite a shock - for you at the time, I'm sure.
0:08:26 > 0:08:30- Let's hear more - about your time at Stiwdio Arwydd.
0:08:30 > 0:08:33- Steffan ap Clwyd - went there on our behalf.
0:08:37 > 0:08:39- Thank you very much, Englyn.
0:08:39 > 0:08:43- I'm in the village of Dolydd, - near Caernarfon.
0:08:43 > 0:08:46- It's a fine June day, - and as you can see...
0:08:46 > 0:08:49- ..I'm standing outside - a typical Welsh farmhouse.
0:08:50 > 0:08:53- But believe me, what goes on - behind these grey walls...
0:08:53 > 0:08:58- ..isn't what you'd expect at the - home of Mr and Mrs Jones next door.
0:08:59 > 0:09:01- Have you been rehearsing?
0:09:01 > 0:09:02- Have you been rehearsing?- - Yes, a bit.
0:09:02 > 0:09:04- It's going quite well.
0:09:05 > 0:09:07- Let me hear you then.
0:09:23 > 0:09:25- Well, Siwan and Sian.
0:09:25 > 0:09:27- Are you both keeping well?
0:09:27 > 0:09:28- Are you both keeping well?- - Very well, thank you.
0:09:28 > 0:09:30- Very good. You're busy.
0:09:31 > 0:09:32- Quite busy, yes.
0:09:32 > 0:09:34- Nearing the end of a busy period.
0:09:35 > 0:09:37- Since when are you in the studio?
0:09:37 > 0:09:38- Since when are you in the studio?- - Three weeks by now.
0:09:38 > 0:09:39- Three weeks.
0:09:39 > 0:09:40- Three weeks.- - We feel at home now.
0:09:41 > 0:09:43- And you've just finished your exams.
0:09:44 > 0:09:46- We haven't had the results yet.
0:09:46 > 0:09:47- Oh, they're yet to come?
0:09:47 > 0:09:48- Oh, they're yet to come?- - Fingers crossed!
0:09:49 > 0:09:51- What will you do next?
0:09:51 > 0:09:54- Find a husband, settle down - and start a family?
0:09:54 > 0:09:55- Go to college, hopefully.
0:09:55 > 0:09:56- Go to college, hopefully.- - To college?!
0:09:57 > 0:09:58- Fair play.
0:09:58 > 0:10:00- Fair play.- - Have some fun before settling down.
0:10:01 > 0:10:02- You have to, I suppose.
0:10:02 > 0:10:06- What do you think of these - two young girls alongside you?
0:10:06 > 0:10:09- Well, they're very talented, - aren't they?
0:10:09 > 0:10:11- Yes, indeed. I agree with you.
0:10:13 > 0:10:17- I understand - that you've written all the songs.
0:10:17 > 0:10:19- Nobody's helped you?
0:10:19 > 0:10:21- Well done, fair play.
0:10:21 > 0:10:24- Only with the final production - in the studio.
0:10:24 > 0:10:26- That's when this man steps in.
0:10:27 > 0:10:30- Girls, I don't think - the oohs are working.
0:10:31 > 0:10:33- Erm, they aren't strong enough.
0:10:33 > 0:10:34- Erm, they aren't strong enough.- - But I like the oohs.
0:10:35 > 0:10:36- Well...
0:10:36 > 0:10:39- ..we'll try the oohs once again...
0:10:39 > 0:10:40- ..and try to...
0:10:41 > 0:10:43- ..try to blast it out a bit more.
0:10:43 > 0:10:45- ..try to blast it out a bit more.- - The oohs or all of it?
0:10:45 > 0:10:48- All of it, really, - but especially the oohs.
0:10:48 > 0:10:50- It just sounds a bit flat.
0:10:51 > 0:10:52- Not the pitch.
0:10:52 > 0:10:55- There isn't enough feeling in it.
0:10:55 > 0:10:57- The song's lovely...
0:10:57 > 0:11:01- ..but you sing it as if you were - at a funeral or something.
0:11:03 > 0:11:06- Tell me, - what is this room we're in now?
0:11:07 > 0:11:09- This is the control room, is it?
0:11:09 > 0:11:10- This is the control room, is it?- - Yes.
0:11:10 > 0:11:13- What do they do here? Control?
0:11:13 > 0:11:14- What do they do here? Control?- - Yes.
0:11:14 > 0:11:15- Yes, where they...
0:11:15 > 0:11:19- ..control the sound levels - and things like that.
0:11:19 > 0:11:21- Erm, yes.
0:11:21 > 0:11:23- Do you understand - these big machines?
0:11:24 > 0:11:25- No, we don't.
0:11:25 > 0:11:28- No, we don't.- - No. We sing. That's what we do.
0:11:29 > 0:11:32- Let's try the oohs, then a verse...
0:11:33 > 0:11:34- ..break, verse...
0:11:36 > 0:11:38- ..Lliwiau, then back.
0:11:39 > 0:11:41- I'm not a fan of oohs, you know?
0:11:41 > 0:11:44- It's bad writing, you know?
0:11:44 > 0:11:48- Oohs are a sign that someone - can't think of words, aren't they?
0:11:49 > 0:11:52- I just think the song - is strong enough as it is.
0:11:52 > 0:11:53- The lyrics are superb.
0:11:54 > 0:11:56- You lack confidence - in your own lyrics.
0:11:57 > 0:11:59- Why not go right into the verse?
0:12:00 > 0:12:02- At the start of the song?
0:12:02 > 0:12:03- With no intro at all?
0:12:04 > 0:12:05- Wyn, lad!
0:12:05 > 0:12:06- Come on.
0:12:07 > 0:12:10- How many songs - will there be on the record?
0:12:10 > 0:12:11- Erm, there are...
0:12:11 > 0:12:12- Erm, there are...- - Eleven?
0:12:12 > 0:12:13- Eleven in all.
0:12:13 > 0:12:14- Eleven in all.- - Yes, eleven.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16- You've got enough work then.
0:12:17 > 0:12:18- You've been here for three weeks.
0:12:18 > 0:12:19- You've been here for three weeks.- - Three weeks, yes.
0:12:19 > 0:12:21- And how long do you have left?
0:12:21 > 0:12:25- We'll see when you leave, - so that we can get on with it.
0:12:25 > 0:12:29- Well, our day at Stiwdio Arwydd - has come to an end.
0:12:29 > 0:12:30- I've enjoyed it.
0:12:30 > 0:12:32- I'm sure the group has too.
0:12:32 > 0:12:37- And I hope we've been able to shed - some light for you the viewer...
0:12:37 > 0:12:40- ..about how to make a record - in this modern age.
0:12:40 > 0:12:44- Unfortunately, it's time - for us to bid farewell...
0:12:44 > 0:12:48- ..to Ifan, Wyn, Mr Elfed - Saunders Jones, Sian and Siwan.
0:12:48 > 0:12:52- Until next time, from me, - Steffan ap Clwyd, goodbye.
0:12:55 > 0:12:57- You had a lot of fun - in the studio, I'd say.
0:12:58 > 0:13:00- Tell me now, - you write all the songs.
0:13:00 > 0:13:01- Yes.
0:13:01 > 0:13:02- Yes.- - All of them?
0:13:03 > 0:13:04- All of them.
0:13:04 > 0:13:07- I compose the music - and Siwan writes the lyrics.
0:13:08 > 0:13:12- Well, you're clearly - a very talented partnership.
0:13:12 > 0:13:14- I'm sure you'll agree.
0:13:14 > 0:13:17- Tell me about the new LP, - Dail y Gaeaf.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20- What can the viewers expect?
0:13:20 > 0:13:22- It's a rock and pop record.
0:13:23 > 0:13:24- So, a bit of variety?
0:13:24 > 0:13:26- So, a bit of variety?- - A bit of variety, yes.
0:13:26 > 0:13:31- A lot of people influence us - musically, don't they, Sian?
0:13:31 > 0:13:35- Erm, groups like the Beatles - and the Rolling Stones.
0:13:35 > 0:13:36- A bit of rock?
0:13:37 > 0:13:39- Yes, some rock, - and Welsh groups too.
0:13:39 > 0:13:40- Perlau Taf.
0:13:40 > 0:13:42- Perlau Taf.- - Oh, very nice.
0:13:42 > 0:13:44- What kind of themes - do you write about?
0:13:45 > 0:13:46- Nature, mainly.
0:13:46 > 0:13:48- Badgers and so on?
0:13:48 > 0:13:51- The seasons, Englyn, yes.
0:13:52 > 0:13:58- The way the seasons change - and how life goes on in winter.
0:13:58 > 0:14:00- That's the theme of Dail y Gaeaf.
0:14:00 > 0:14:01- That's the theme of Dail y Gaeaf.- - Oh, I see.
0:14:01 > 0:14:03- There are serious themes like war...
0:14:04 > 0:14:08- ..and lighter themes too, - including some love songs.
0:14:08 > 0:14:09- War and love.
0:14:10 > 0:14:11- What could be better?
0:14:11 > 0:14:13- Who's the lucky man?!
0:14:13 > 0:14:16- We'll have to leave it there, - I'm afraid.
0:14:16 > 0:14:18- We have a commercial break.
0:14:19 > 0:14:21- Come back after the break...
0:14:21 > 0:14:24- ..for more fun, the odd story - and maybe another song.
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0:14:42 > 0:14:43- That's how it is.
0:14:43 > 0:14:46- Welcome back to Cil y Drws.
0:14:46 > 0:14:50- I'm joined by the extremely - talented duo from Dyfed, Saron.
0:14:51 > 0:14:54- Siwan and Sian, we're going - to change things a little...
0:14:54 > 0:14:56- ..for the second part.
0:14:56 > 0:14:59- Rather than me - asking all the questions...
0:14:59 > 0:15:02- ..the questions - will come from the viewers.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05- Esme Thomas from Llanddarog - would like to know...
0:15:05 > 0:15:08- ..if you feel nervous - before performing.
0:15:08 > 0:15:10- Well, I know one of us does.
0:15:10 > 0:15:11- Which one?
0:15:11 > 0:15:13- Which one?- - I get terribly nervous.
0:15:13 > 0:15:14- I do.
0:15:15 > 0:15:16- What are the symptoms?
0:15:17 > 0:15:20- I'm very scared of going on stage.
0:15:20 > 0:15:22- I worry about - forgetting the words.
0:15:24 > 0:15:25- I'm sure you're fine.
0:15:26 > 0:15:30- Yes, I'm alright. I haven't - had to do a concert on my own yet!
0:15:30 > 0:15:33- I'm glad to hear. - On to the next question.
0:15:33 > 0:15:35- The next is from Olwen Parry - from Corwen.
0:15:36 > 0:15:40- Which is your favourite song - from the new LP?
0:15:41 > 0:15:43- It's a difficult question.
0:15:44 > 0:15:46- My favourite song is Bachgen Mawr.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50- It's a lively song that gets - the audience on their feet.
0:15:50 > 0:15:51- It's a lot of fun.
0:15:52 > 0:15:55- A favourite for the audience too! - Siwan, how about you?
0:15:55 > 0:16:00- I really like Lliwiau (colours). - The lyrics are about nature.
0:16:00 > 0:16:04- With a title like that, I'm sure - it's a very colourful song.
0:16:04 > 0:16:07- The next question is from - Geraint Jackson in Dolgellau.
0:16:08 > 0:16:10- A very important question in life.
0:16:10 > 0:16:12- Tea or coffee? One or two sugars?
0:16:13 > 0:16:15- Tea for me, Englyn.
0:16:15 > 0:16:19- Coffee's a bit much for me - or I'd be bouncing off the walls.
0:16:19 > 0:16:20- And I wouldn't sleep.
0:16:20 > 0:16:21- And I wouldn't sleep.- - Any sugar?
0:16:21 > 0:16:22- No sugar.
0:16:22 > 0:16:24- No sugar.- - You're sweet enough!
0:16:24 > 0:16:25- Siwan?
0:16:25 > 0:16:28- Siwan?- - Tea for me too. Milk, no sugar.
0:16:28 > 0:16:30- I'm the same. Thank you both.
0:16:30 > 0:16:33- Some interesting - and serious questions there.
0:16:34 > 0:16:37- Siwan and Sian mentioned earlier - that you'd given a concert...
0:16:37 > 0:16:40- ..to celebrate finishing - the new LP, Dail y Gaeaf.
0:16:41 > 0:16:45- I'll pass you back now to Steffan ap - Clwyd who was there on our behalf.
0:16:48 > 0:16:51- Well, here I am, - outside Cilberllan village hall.
0:16:52 > 0:16:55- In a few hours, crowds from all over - the country will come here...
0:16:56 > 0:16:58- ..to claim their place - in the audience.
0:16:58 > 0:17:00- It promises to be quite a night!
0:17:00 > 0:17:02- All tickets have been sold.
0:17:06 > 0:17:09- The group had been preparing - for nearly half an hour.
0:17:09 > 0:17:12- I had a chat with a few members - before the concert.
0:17:14 > 0:17:17- How are the preparations - coming along? Siwan?
0:17:17 > 0:17:21- Very well. We've just come from the - studio where we recorded our album.
0:17:21 > 0:17:24- All the songs - are fresh in our minds.
0:17:25 > 0:17:26- Sian, how are things going?
0:17:27 > 0:17:29- I'm Siwan.
0:17:29 > 0:17:31- I do apologise.
0:17:31 > 0:17:32- Sian, Siwan.
0:17:32 > 0:17:33- Sian, Siwan.- - Excuse me.
0:17:36 > 0:17:38- How are the preparations going?
0:17:38 > 0:17:40- Yes, fine, thank you.
0:17:40 > 0:17:44- We sang at the Urdd centre - in Glan-llyn last night.
0:17:44 > 0:17:46- We're a little bit tired.
0:17:46 > 0:17:49- But we'll be fine - after a cup of tea!
0:17:49 > 0:17:51- Tonight's tickets are sold out. - Sian?
0:17:52 > 0:17:55- Really? I didn't know that. - Don't, you're making me nervous.
0:17:55 > 0:17:57- Siwan?
0:17:57 > 0:17:59- Well, fantastic. How exciting.
0:17:59 > 0:18:01- When the support act had finished...
0:18:02 > 0:18:06- ..it was time for the stars - of the evening to take to the stage.
0:18:35 > 0:18:38- Well, that's it, - the end of the concert.
0:18:38 > 0:18:41- Are you sweating - and out of breath?
0:18:41 > 0:18:42- How did it go?
0:18:42 > 0:18:43- Siwan?
0:18:43 > 0:18:46- Siwan?- - It was a fantastic gig.
0:18:46 > 0:18:48- The audience were fantastic.
0:18:48 > 0:18:50- A brilliant response.
0:18:50 > 0:18:51- Sian?
0:18:51 > 0:18:53- Yes, a brilliant response.
0:18:53 > 0:18:56- Erm... everyone was singing - and dancing.
0:18:57 > 0:18:59- It really was amazing.
0:18:59 > 0:19:03- The audience responded to the fast, - lively songs...
0:19:04 > 0:19:07- ..and they also responded - to the serious ones.
0:19:07 > 0:19:11- They followed the mood of the song. - So, yes, a successful evening.
0:19:12 > 0:19:16- Well, that's it. The end of another - successful evening in Cilberllan.
0:19:17 > 0:19:20- From me, Steffan ap Clwyd, goodbye.
0:19:23 > 0:19:26- Well, that looked like - a very successful evening.
0:19:27 > 0:19:30- A lot of fun and everyone - seemed to enjoy themselves.
0:19:30 > 0:19:34- Tell me, Siwan and Sian, - will you be performing again soon?
0:19:34 > 0:19:38- Yes, we have a few dates arranged - for the summer.
0:19:38 > 0:19:41- We're singing in Aberystwyth.
0:19:41 > 0:19:43- We're singing in Aberystwyth.- - By the sea in Aberystwyth.
0:19:43 > 0:19:44- Yes, that's right.
0:19:45 > 0:19:49- We have a concert in Crymych. We're - also singing at the Eisteddfod.
0:19:49 > 0:19:50- Quite a bit of variety!
0:19:51 > 0:19:54- It's going to be a busy summer. - We're very excited.
0:19:54 > 0:19:57- I'm sure. I feel excited for you.
0:19:57 > 0:20:00- If viewers at home - would like to buy a copy...
0:20:01 > 0:20:06- ..of this talented band's first LP, - where can they buy Dail y Gaeaf?
0:20:07 > 0:20:08- In your local shops.
0:20:08 > 0:20:09- In your local shops.- - Make sure you buy a copy.
0:20:10 > 0:20:13- Well, the time has come - to say goodbye.
0:20:13 > 0:20:15- I'd like to take this opportunity...
0:20:15 > 0:20:19- ..to thank Siwan and Sian - and the members of the band.
0:20:19 > 0:20:22- But more than anything, - I'd like to thank you at home.
0:20:22 > 0:20:24- Don't forget to watch next week.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27- Cil y Drws will be focusing - on another special guest.
0:20:27 > 0:20:32- In the meantime, please give Saron - a round of applause.
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