11/09/2016

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0:00:04 > 0:00:0715 years ago today, the world changed for ever.

0:00:07 > 0:00:10On the day we now call 9/11,

0:00:10 > 0:00:15terrorists flew planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

0:00:16 > 0:00:21For all its shocking audacity, 9/11 wasn't a one-off.

0:00:21 > 0:00:23And it's been followed by an increasing number of

0:00:23 > 0:00:25terrorist atrocities.

0:00:25 > 0:00:29But amidst the horror there are stories of hope

0:00:29 > 0:00:32and I'm in central London to find them.

0:00:33 > 0:00:36Cardinal Vincent Nichols reflects after his own visits

0:00:36 > 0:00:39to the scenes of the attacks in France.

0:00:39 > 0:00:42The Christian virtue of hope is living an uncertain present

0:00:42 > 0:00:46in the light of a firm and clear future.

0:00:46 > 0:00:49And we hear from former hostage Terry Waite,

0:00:49 > 0:00:5225 years since his release from captivity.

0:00:52 > 0:00:55Never, ever believe

0:00:55 > 0:00:59that there's nothing that the ordinary person can't do.

0:01:08 > 0:01:11When we hear shocking news of terrorist attacks,

0:01:11 > 0:01:15many of us turn to the Church for words of comfort and confidence.

0:01:15 > 0:01:19The hymn writer, Stuart Townend, has tried to find these words

0:01:19 > 0:01:20in our first song.

0:04:24 > 0:04:30Terror attacks can affect anyone. That's what's so terrifying.

0:04:30 > 0:04:33While the grieving goes on for the nearly 3,000 people

0:04:33 > 0:04:35who lost their lives on 9/11,

0:04:35 > 0:04:39others have had to come to terms with more recent attacks.

0:04:39 > 0:04:40Not least, in France.

0:04:43 > 0:04:47Only a few weeks ago, the lorry attack in Nice,

0:04:47 > 0:04:52followed days later by the murder of Father Jacques Hamel in Rouen,

0:04:52 > 0:04:54shook the nation and the world.

0:04:56 > 0:05:00Members of the French congregation of Notre Dame in London

0:05:00 > 0:05:04have been looking for answers in these difficult times.

0:05:04 > 0:05:07The answer is kind of silence and prayer.

0:05:07 > 0:05:10Just to try to get to terms with the shock

0:05:10 > 0:05:13and get to terms with the event itself.

0:05:15 > 0:05:20When praying and when actually centring oneself on Christ,

0:05:20 > 0:05:24we are open to a new way, or Christ's way

0:05:24 > 0:05:25to deal with the situation

0:05:25 > 0:05:28because he was also confronted with violence

0:05:28 > 0:05:31and he reacted in such a way which was peaceful.

0:05:33 > 0:05:35Do you feel afraid?

0:05:36 > 0:05:40No, I wouldn't really feel afraid, I would feel concerned

0:05:40 > 0:05:43and worried but not afraid.

0:05:44 > 0:05:47The head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales,

0:05:47 > 0:05:50Cardinal Vincent Nichols, has just returned

0:05:50 > 0:05:53from personal visits to Nice and Rouen.

0:05:53 > 0:05:56In both places, there were two things that struck me.

0:05:56 > 0:06:00One was a cry to God. Quite explicitly -

0:06:00 > 0:06:03"Listen, God, to us, in this sorrow."

0:06:03 > 0:06:08And the other expression was, "This will not break our spirit,

0:06:08 > 0:06:15"our desire and determination to live good, human, trusting lives

0:06:15 > 0:06:17"is stronger than fanaticism."

0:06:17 > 0:06:20What do you make of suggestions

0:06:20 > 0:06:23that churches should be thinking about security now?

0:06:23 > 0:06:26CCTV cameras, bag searches and so on.

0:06:26 > 0:06:32I think most churches will be very quietly reviewing

0:06:32 > 0:06:34their security situation

0:06:34 > 0:06:38but determined not to be turning people away,

0:06:38 > 0:06:42not to become fortresses, not to become places where

0:06:42 > 0:06:46the stranger can't wander in and be welcomed.

0:06:46 > 0:06:49How should we deal with fear?

0:06:49 > 0:06:50Talk.

0:06:50 > 0:06:52Don't bottle it up.

0:06:52 > 0:06:58Express it and explore it in a calm and considered fashion.

0:07:01 > 0:07:06So hope for you is something that is strong?

0:07:06 > 0:07:09Quite often, people think of hope

0:07:09 > 0:07:14as being so secure in the present they can face an uncertain future.

0:07:14 > 0:07:15I rather turn it round.

0:07:15 > 0:07:19The Christian virtue of hope is living an uncertain present

0:07:19 > 0:07:23in the light of a firm and clear future.

0:07:23 > 0:07:26Yes, there will be moments of terrible darkness

0:07:26 > 0:07:32but in the end, a fulfilment will be there for everyone

0:07:32 > 0:07:34who, at least in a marginal way,

0:07:34 > 0:07:39opens their hearts to God and to his design and love.

0:10:01 > 0:10:04It's a painful truth that terrorist attacks occupy

0:10:04 > 0:10:06more headlines these days than ever.

0:10:06 > 0:10:10One man well qualified to take the long view is Terry Waite,

0:10:10 > 0:10:13who was released 25 years ago

0:10:13 > 0:10:16from being a captive in the Lebanon for five years.

0:10:16 > 0:10:18Pam has been to meet him.

0:10:19 > 0:10:22Terry Waite is one of the few who knows

0:10:22 > 0:10:25what it really feels like for a Christian to be held captive,

0:10:25 > 0:10:28tortured, threatened with execution

0:10:28 > 0:10:30and lived to tell the tale.

0:10:31 > 0:10:35Since his release, he's continued to devote much of his time

0:10:35 > 0:10:38to humanitarian and peacekeeping work.

0:10:38 > 0:10:42I've managed to track down Terry Waite here in west London

0:10:42 > 0:10:46at the YMCA, an organisation that he's regularly been involved with

0:10:46 > 0:10:48over the last 25 years.

0:10:48 > 0:10:52Meeting with young people and working to give them opportunities

0:10:52 > 0:10:56is, Terry believes, crucial to building a peaceful future.

0:10:56 > 0:10:59Well, as some people will know,

0:10:59 > 0:11:03I spent almost five years in very extreme circumstances

0:11:03 > 0:11:08in solitary confinement, chained to the wall in a room

0:11:08 > 0:11:11with no natural light, and no books or papers for many years.

0:11:11 > 0:11:16All these years on, when you think back on your captors,

0:11:16 > 0:11:22who treated you so inhumanly, so cruelly, how do you feel about them?

0:11:22 > 0:11:25I didn't fall into Stockholm Syndrome.

0:11:25 > 0:11:27In other words, you know,

0:11:27 > 0:11:30that means that you become totally sympathetic

0:11:30 > 0:11:32and actually join their side. I didn't do that.

0:11:32 > 0:11:35I wouldn't let them off the hook. I always told them,

0:11:35 > 0:11:38"I believe what you have done is inappropriate, is wrong."

0:11:38 > 0:11:43On the other hand, I could understand why they did it.

0:11:43 > 0:11:45They had been brought up in a situation

0:11:45 > 0:11:49where they see nothing but warfare, along comes a charismatic leader,

0:11:49 > 0:11:54persuades them that the way to get what they wish is to fight

0:11:54 > 0:11:57for it and to behave in the way that they behave.

0:11:57 > 0:12:01If you can understand why people behave as they behave,

0:12:01 > 0:12:05that is at least a step towards resolving the conflicts

0:12:05 > 0:12:07that exist between people.

0:12:07 > 0:12:11The world has changed a great deal in 25 years.

0:12:11 > 0:12:15You have spoken about your thought that we are slipping

0:12:15 > 0:12:17towards the start of the Third World War.

0:12:17 > 0:12:20I said that some time ago.

0:12:20 > 0:12:24And you probably noticed the Pope picked up my words.

0:12:24 > 0:12:28I don't think he did, really. But he did actually say the same thing.

0:12:28 > 0:12:30I think it is a serious situation.

0:12:30 > 0:12:33It's a world war that's fought in very, very different ways

0:12:33 > 0:12:37than it was in World War I, World War II.

0:12:37 > 0:12:39Now, at any given moment,

0:12:39 > 0:12:42an act of violence can occur anywhere in the world.

0:12:44 > 0:12:47Any given moment, totally unexpectedly and innocent,

0:12:47 > 0:12:50innocent people are killed.

0:12:52 > 0:12:53Where is God in all this?

0:12:53 > 0:12:58If I was God, I think I'd be despairing at the human condition.

0:12:59 > 0:13:03Somehow we have to learn how to face this new reality

0:13:03 > 0:13:06and how to get to the root of the issue

0:13:06 > 0:13:11and to ask ourselves, "Why are people behaving like that?"

0:13:11 > 0:13:12What is the cause?

0:13:14 > 0:13:19It's not so very long ago that in Syria, Christians,

0:13:19 > 0:13:24Muslims and Jews shared the same place of worship.

0:13:24 > 0:13:27That now has broken down and Christians are being persecuted

0:13:27 > 0:13:32and sent out of that region, and yet, even in that situation,

0:13:32 > 0:13:36Christians and Muslims are still meeting quietly,

0:13:36 > 0:13:38trying to build the barriers.

0:13:38 > 0:13:44I've always said, never, ever believe that there's nothing

0:13:44 > 0:13:46that the ordinary person can't do

0:13:46 > 0:13:49and I think the words of Christ summed it up,

0:13:49 > 0:13:53"Love your neighbour as yourself."

0:13:53 > 0:13:56And those words, if they're followed,

0:13:56 > 0:14:01will lead you to an understanding of the great mystery that is God.

0:16:43 > 0:16:46That was Blessed Be Your Name by Matt and Beth Redman.

0:16:46 > 0:16:50Our next hymn was also written in the midst of tragedy.

0:16:50 > 0:16:54By a 19th century American lawyer, Horatio Spafford,

0:16:54 > 0:16:58after hearing that his four daughters had died

0:16:58 > 0:17:00in a mid-Atlantic shipwreck.

0:17:00 > 0:17:05His wife survived, her two-word telegram, bearing the awful news,

0:17:05 > 0:17:08simply said, "Saved alone."

0:17:08 > 0:17:13Spafford wrote It Is Well With My Soul in response.

0:17:22 > 0:17:27# When peace like a river

0:17:27 > 0:17:31# Attendeth my way

0:17:32 > 0:17:39# When sorrows like sea billows roll

0:17:40 > 0:17:44# Whatever my lot

0:17:44 > 0:17:50# Thou hast taught me to say

0:17:50 > 0:17:52# It is well

0:17:52 > 0:17:58# It is well with my soul

0:18:00 > 0:18:05# It is well

0:18:05 > 0:18:09# With my soul

0:18:10 > 0:18:13# It is well

0:18:13 > 0:18:19# It is well with my soul

0:18:22 > 0:18:26# And, Lord, haste the day

0:18:26 > 0:18:32# When the faith shall be sight

0:18:33 > 0:18:40# The clouds be rolled back as a scroll

0:18:41 > 0:18:45# The trumpets shall sound

0:18:45 > 0:18:49# And the Lord shall descend

0:18:49 > 0:18:59# Even so, it is well with my soul

0:19:00 > 0:19:03# It is well

0:19:06 > 0:19:08# With my soul

0:19:11 > 0:19:13# It is well

0:19:13 > 0:19:20# It is well with my soul

0:19:20 > 0:19:22# It is well. #

0:19:48 > 0:19:52The terrible events of 9/11 commemorated in this garden,

0:19:52 > 0:19:56in Grosvenor Square, unfolded exactly 15 years ago today.

0:19:56 > 0:20:00The writer of our next song, Father Liam Lawton,

0:20:00 > 0:20:03discovered that his words had brought hope

0:20:03 > 0:20:07to one group of New Yorkers in the aftermath of the tragedy.

0:20:11 > 0:20:14I grew up in a home that had a great love of music.

0:20:14 > 0:20:16It was like a second language in our home.

0:20:16 > 0:20:19And then I went to college to do an arts degree.

0:20:19 > 0:20:22I decided to study theology as well and then I was ordained.

0:20:22 > 0:20:25But alongside that, I always kept on the music.

0:20:25 > 0:20:28So I'd been working part-time in the ministry

0:20:28 > 0:20:31and also doing a lot of music as well, workshops

0:20:31 > 0:20:33and performances and composing.

0:20:33 > 0:20:34HE PLAYS PIANO

0:20:36 > 0:20:41I think the music becomes a language that expresses an awful lot

0:20:41 > 0:20:44more than maybe words can.

0:20:44 > 0:20:47My uncle was my music mentor.

0:20:47 > 0:20:49And he was tragically killed in a road accident

0:20:49 > 0:20:52and so for many, many weeks afterwards

0:20:52 > 0:20:55I found it really, really difficult. I went into a dark place.

0:20:55 > 0:20:58I just didn't want to sing, I didn't want to play,

0:20:58 > 0:21:00I didn't want to do anything.

0:21:00 > 0:21:02Somebody had sent me a card,

0:21:02 > 0:21:04and there were two lines in it which said,

0:21:04 > 0:21:08"When the dark clouds veil the sky, I am by your side."

0:21:08 > 0:21:11It was exactly how I was feeling.

0:21:11 > 0:21:14So I sat down that evening and I penned the words for this,

0:21:14 > 0:21:16and I called it The Clouds' Veil.

0:21:16 > 0:21:19So I sang it and I found it a healing experience for me,

0:21:19 > 0:21:21where I was.

0:21:21 > 0:21:27And the day after 9/11, I received a phone call from the United States

0:21:27 > 0:21:30from the publishers, saying they were putting together the music

0:21:30 > 0:21:33for the memorial services and they felt

0:21:33 > 0:21:35that the most appropriate lines were from the piece,

0:21:35 > 0:21:36The Clouds' Veil.

0:21:36 > 0:21:40"When the dark clouds veil the sky, I am by your side."

0:21:40 > 0:21:44And so they asked if I would allow it to be downloaded freely.

0:21:44 > 0:21:48And then there was a girl who sang in New York

0:21:48 > 0:21:51and she sang for the first funeral which was for Father Mychal Judge.

0:21:51 > 0:21:54He was the first person to die in 9/11.

0:21:54 > 0:21:55MUSIC: Amazing Grace

0:21:55 > 0:21:57And so many of the fire officers and the police officers,

0:21:57 > 0:21:59their families were present there as well

0:21:59 > 0:22:03and the song obviously touched a chord with them

0:22:03 > 0:22:07and they asked that she would sing it at their funerals as well.

0:22:07 > 0:22:11It was very poignant and, you know, very touching for me.

0:22:11 > 0:22:16One of the military chaplains took the song

0:22:16 > 0:22:19and they started using it in the Army as well

0:22:19 > 0:22:23so all the young soldiers who are going out to Afghanistan and Iraq

0:22:23 > 0:22:27were given a prayer card with the text of the song on it,

0:22:27 > 0:22:31and a little crucifix which they could carry on their top lapels.

0:22:32 > 0:22:36My belief is that the world will only be healed through beauty.

0:22:37 > 0:22:41And I find that in places like this here,

0:22:41 > 0:22:44I think to bring something worthwhile into the world

0:22:44 > 0:22:47you need a sense of contemplation.

0:22:47 > 0:22:51I think all beautiful music is born out of silence.

0:22:51 > 0:22:55All inspiration, all creativity, needs silence.

0:23:01 > 0:23:07# Even when the sun shall fall in sleep

0:23:07 > 0:23:12# Even when at dawn the sky shall weep

0:23:12 > 0:23:18# Even in the night when storms shall rise

0:23:18 > 0:23:23# You are by my side

0:23:24 > 0:23:29# You are by my side

0:23:31 > 0:23:35# Held in memory

0:23:35 > 0:23:41# The thoughts we have of yesterday

0:23:41 > 0:23:46# May our future be

0:23:46 > 0:23:54# A resting place where love will stay

0:23:56 > 0:24:01# Even though the rain hides the stars

0:24:01 > 0:24:07# Even though the mist swirls the hills

0:24:07 > 0:24:12# Even when the dark clouds veil the sky

0:24:12 > 0:24:18# You are by my side

0:24:18 > 0:24:24# Even when the sun shall fall in sleep

0:24:24 > 0:24:30# Even when at dawn the sky shall weep

0:24:30 > 0:24:36# Even in the night when storms shall rise

0:24:36 > 0:24:41# You are by my side

0:24:41 > 0:24:45# You are by...

0:24:45 > 0:24:56# My side. #

0:25:01 > 0:25:06In July, the Nice lorry attack killed 86 people

0:25:06 > 0:25:08and traumatised many more.

0:25:08 > 0:25:11Esther Serwah was on holiday there with her family

0:25:11 > 0:25:16and stumbled across the scene only minutes after the attack.

0:25:17 > 0:25:23A lot of people were running from the promenade to the marketplace.

0:25:23 > 0:25:27I saw a lot of people on the floor.

0:25:27 > 0:25:31So, I was standing there looking at this,

0:25:31 > 0:25:34and I was wondering, what's all this?

0:25:35 > 0:25:39That's when I realised that all the people on the floor

0:25:39 > 0:25:44was dead bodies and that was the saddest thing to see.

0:25:48 > 0:25:53I decided to go to church to pray because I always have faith.

0:25:54 > 0:25:58I asked myself why this has to have happened.

0:25:58 > 0:26:01I don't have the answer.

0:26:03 > 0:26:05I have a lot of faith in God.

0:26:05 > 0:26:10And my faith helped me to overcome what I saw.

0:26:12 > 0:26:14And I think the Christians,

0:26:14 > 0:26:16we need to be more united

0:26:16 > 0:26:22and pray for those who commit such offences.

0:26:22 > 0:26:23I think, sometimes,

0:26:23 > 0:26:27they themselves don't know the reason why they are doing that.

0:26:31 > 0:26:34Few of us know what to say after a tragedy.

0:26:34 > 0:26:38But some have responded with peaceful action.

0:26:38 > 0:26:40Parishioners at St John on Bethnal Green

0:26:40 > 0:26:44invited local Muslims to join their Sunday service.

0:26:44 > 0:26:48On behalf of my Muslim colleagues who are here this morning,

0:26:48 > 0:26:52we condemn all forms of terrorism in this world.

0:26:52 > 0:26:56It's been a great opportunity to be clear about our faith

0:26:56 > 0:26:58but at the same time to be welcoming

0:26:58 > 0:27:02and to stand together in solidarity with Muslims too.

0:27:02 > 0:27:06We are here to show that Muslims, as well as Christians,

0:27:06 > 0:27:11all believe in love and respect and the loss of any life is tragic.

0:27:11 > 0:27:17We are here united against every difficulty, every hatred,

0:27:17 > 0:27:21every terrorism. We want to pray to Almighty God

0:27:21 > 0:27:25to bring all peace and happiness.

0:27:25 > 0:27:28I think it's important because blue, green, yellow, Latino, black,

0:27:28 > 0:27:30you know, Jew, whatever. We are all people.

0:27:30 > 0:27:33That is the essence of, you know, our humanity.

0:27:33 > 0:27:36The constraints of faith shouldn't be constraints.

0:27:36 > 0:27:40If we can bond and engage and value each other

0:27:40 > 0:27:42then we can actually take a step forward

0:27:42 > 0:27:45and move beyond our comfort zones.

0:27:48 > 0:27:50Cardinal Vincent Nichols believes

0:27:50 > 0:27:53that Christians have good reason to be confident.

0:27:54 > 0:28:00The response for the Christian is to refer all of this

0:28:00 > 0:28:02into the light of faith,

0:28:02 > 0:28:05into the light of Christ's victory over death

0:28:05 > 0:28:11and to affirm again and again that love is stronger than death.

0:30:35 > 0:30:38Make me an instrument of thy peace.

0:30:39 > 0:30:43Where there is hatred, let me sow love.

0:30:43 > 0:30:46When there is injury, pardon.

0:30:48 > 0:30:49Where there is doubt, faith.

0:30:51 > 0:30:54Where there is despair, hope.

0:30:55 > 0:30:58Where there is darkness, light.

0:31:00 > 0:31:02Where there is sadness, joy.

0:31:07 > 0:31:11As we've heard this week, we may live in troubled times

0:31:11 > 0:31:15but peace-making is a choice that's open to all.

0:31:15 > 0:31:18We finish with an uplifting song of praise

0:31:18 > 0:31:22focusing back on the source of Christian hope.

0:31:27 > 0:31:32# My Jesus, my saviour... #

0:33:51 > 0:33:52# Talk to me, baby

0:33:53 > 0:33:57# I'm going blind from this sweet, sweet craving, whoa

0:33:57 > 0:34:01# Let's lose our minds and go for me, baby... #

0:34:01 > 0:34:03The world's greatest half-marathon,

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0:34:05 > 0:34:06The Great North Run...