:00:00. > :00:00.us be ruled by common sense and pragmatism rather than emotion. Dear
:00:00. > :00:11.colleagues this concludes our press conference, thank you very much.
:00:12. > :00:15.We've been listening to a press conference between Sergei Lavrov the
:00:16. > :00:21.Russian Foreign Minister and Rex Tillerson the US Secretary of State.
:00:22. > :00:24.The press conference went on by my reckoning for about 50 minutes,
:00:25. > :00:28.partly because Sergei Lavrov gives long answers but also a reflection
:00:29. > :00:33.of the fact they have an enormous amount to discuss. They talked about
:00:34. > :00:36.Syria of course, the future of Assad, Rex Tillerson said it was the
:00:37. > :00:42.American dude that the reign of Assad is coming to an end. Sergei
:00:43. > :00:48.Lavrov talked also about Ukraine, they touched on the Russian
:00:49. > :00:54.elections. And cyber security, Rex Tillerson saying it is possible that
:00:55. > :00:56.Assad could face war crimes, Sergei Lavrov also said he thought there
:00:57. > :01:01.were considerable prospects for peace and that the distance between
:01:02. > :01:07.the two countries was not so big that it could not be overcome. So a
:01:08. > :01:12.huge amount for them to talk about, clearly having come out of almost
:01:13. > :01:16.four hours meeting, then another two are meeting with President Putin,
:01:17. > :01:20.touching on all the complexities of the relationship and Sergei Lavrov
:01:21. > :01:24.living a long lecture at one point on history to his American
:01:25. > :01:27.counterpart saying we must learn the lessons of Yugoslavia, Iraq and
:01:28. > :01:34.Libya and we must be careful what we wish for in Syria. Let's get more
:01:35. > :01:38.from our correspondent in Moscow. The two things you could take from
:01:39. > :01:41.this that matter in the immediate term, this idea from Sergei Lavrov
:01:42. > :01:46.but they are prepared to restore the SFT agreement which of course is
:01:47. > :01:53.crucial over Syria so there are no accidents. And he says there is a
:01:54. > :01:56.readiness of US colleagues to support an investigation into this
:01:57. > :02:02.searing gas attack. This evening in the UN Security Council there is a
:02:03. > :02:04.boat on a draft resolution for an investigation into the chemical
:02:05. > :02:10.attacks. The question is will Russia support it.
:02:11. > :02:18.As far as I heard comments by the Russian representatives, they are
:02:19. > :02:24.not satisfied with the proposal made. This reminds me of the
:02:25. > :02:29.situation with the Boeing flight that was shot down over eastern
:02:30. > :02:35.Ukraine, the West accused Russia of putting their air jet down and Bosco
:02:36. > :02:40.just called for an independent investigation and this was going
:02:41. > :02:46.back and forth for months. This might be the case again. Russia
:02:47. > :02:55.would call for an investigation and it would go back and forth for
:02:56. > :03:01.months. What is obvious is that Moscow is very interested in
:03:02. > :03:06.dialogue with Washington and is interested in cooperation because it
:03:07. > :03:13.has invested so much in the Syrian campaign. But they need to find
:03:14. > :03:18.common language with Washington. Read the tea leaves for us with that
:03:19. > :03:27.press conference. You have listened to Sergey Lavrov many times. Is the
:03:28. > :03:31.Kremlin feeling under siege in the light of the attacks in Syria or is
:03:32. > :03:36.that not what you heard from the press conference? Definitely, the
:03:37. > :03:43.Kremlin is under pressure because of the chemical attacks and what has
:03:44. > :03:48.been mentioned by Washington. But Vladimir Putin never steps back
:03:49. > :03:54.under pressure, never surrenders. What they often do is issue counter
:03:55. > :04:00.offence. They always come with counter arguments and accusations
:04:01. > :04:05.and that is what Mr Putin did. What was interesting for me was the
:04:06. > :04:10.contrast between statements made by Putin and his harsh language
:04:11. > :04:14.accusing Washington and statements made by the Russian Foreign
:04:15. > :04:20.Ministry. Sergey Lavrov was quite soft saying there were quite a lot
:04:21. > :04:24.of things called common ground that can repair the relationship and it
:04:25. > :04:29.seems that the Kremlin is playing the game of good and bad policeman
:04:30. > :04:32.trying to attract Washington for further cooperation because
:04:33. > :04:35.definitely there are a number of issues that they want to solve.
:04:36. > :04:41.Thank you very much for joining us. Joining us now for more
:04:42. > :04:44.on Secretary Tillerson's trip is Matthew Rojansky,
:04:45. > :04:54.Director of the Kennan Institute On the issue of Syria and the future
:04:55. > :05:01.of the Assad regime, where does Moscow stand at the moment? It was
:05:02. > :05:10.fascinating listening. And endurance sport for all of us, especially for
:05:11. > :05:15.Rex Tillerson. People ask what the relevance of his experience in
:05:16. > :05:19.negotiating with the Russians was, you saw it there. He said what he
:05:20. > :05:24.wanted to say, didn't talk about anything he didn't want to talk
:05:25. > :05:30.about even as Sergey Lavrov went on about other things that he didn't
:05:31. > :05:35.want to talk about. I thought he handled himself very well and stuck
:05:36. > :05:40.to his talking points. I don't think the Russian position on Syria has
:05:41. > :05:45.changed one inch. This thing about a UN investigation is a play for time.
:05:46. > :05:53.They've got a problem with Assad. Russians have no love for this guy
:05:54. > :05:58.Bashar al-Assad but on the other hand, as soon is they say, he's got
:05:59. > :06:06.to go, where is their leveraged? They are playing for time. Why don't
:06:07. > :06:12.they make him behave better? I'm not sure they can. I think the
:06:13. > :06:17.collective Russian frustration has been, we deal with autocrats all
:06:18. > :06:21.around the world. This is part of reality. Why are you such a bloody
:06:22. > :06:30.minded one who despite that can't win the war, why are you making it
:06:31. > :06:33.so hard? They have played a week and relatively well, it has got
:06:34. > :06:38.attention off Ukraine which is a good thing for them. It has brought
:06:39. > :06:42.the United States to the table whereas the message under President
:06:43. > :06:46.Obama was isolation. At the end of the day, this is a big problem for
:06:47. > :06:53.the Russians, more of a liability than a benefit. Part of the strategy
:06:54. > :07:01.that seems to be coming out from the White House is that you are in a
:07:02. > :07:11.cul-de-sac, a club of Iran, Syria, North Korea. We are offering you a
:07:12. > :07:14.way out or you can go back into isolation. A meeting with Putin that
:07:15. > :07:21.lasted two hours, that's pretty positive, isn't it? I read from the
:07:22. > :07:25.fact that it was strangely concealed, although the Russian
:07:26. > :07:31.press was reporting it for 24 hours before it happened although it was
:07:32. > :07:36.never formally confirmed. This quite substantial meeting and press
:07:37. > :07:42.conference, I think it is a gear up to a trompe- Putin summit. That is
:07:43. > :07:48.where business is going to get done. In the Russian system, all ears perk
:07:49. > :07:51.up, what is Vladimir Putin's position? When he comments publicly
:07:52. > :07:55.about where the relationship is going, that is when the Russian
:07:56. > :08:01.bureaucracy gets into gear. There is a longer list of issues than Syria.
:08:02. > :08:08.Syria is a tragedy that can remain unresolved. There is cyber, nuclear,
:08:09. > :08:14.Ukraine and security. Then there are these incidents in the Baltic and
:08:15. > :08:16.the Black Sea, the eastern Mediterranean that literally risked
:08:17. > :08:28.starting world War three. Non-magic -- not negligible issues that need
:08:29. > :08:33.sorting out. It was interest during that conversation, Sergey Lavrov and
:08:34. > :08:40.Rex Tillerson, another issue on top of what was mentioned was the issue
:08:41. > :08:45.of the American election. There was an example of Rex Tillerson's
:08:46. > :08:49.discipline. He really stuck to the minimum when asked about it. He said
:08:50. > :08:56.it was a serious issue and could merit further sanctions but didn't
:08:57. > :09:00.want to talk about it. You have a Texan in Rex Tillerson, the body
:09:01. > :09:03.language, you could see it in the handshake, it needs a bit of work.
:09:04. > :09:08.They are not very close at the moment. You would have that with
:09:09. > :09:15.President Putin. They are big strongmen. Texan testosterone
:09:16. > :09:24.against Moscow Machan. They are going to get a marriage guidance
:09:25. > :09:28.counsellor in, setting up a working group to try and deal with all of
:09:29. > :09:32.these issues. America has a problem with stuffing in the State
:09:33. > :09:39.Department, they have to find the staff because this needs to be
:09:40. > :09:44.fixed. Sergey Lavrov is a wily fox. In the opening remarks he had a dig
:09:45. > :09:47.at Rex Tillerson. He said there is confusion in the relationship but
:09:48. > :09:53.that is because you have got no staff. That has been a criticism of
:09:54. > :09:56.the Secretary of State, he doesn't have any staff at the State
:09:57. > :10:01.Department. Interesting games go on in the background. We have got to
:10:02. > :10:04.get other news from around the world. A lot going on. A football
:10:05. > :10:08.match in Germany. It shouldn't be
:10:09. > :10:10.remarkable but it is. The rescheduled Champions League
:10:11. > :10:12.quarter final between Borussia Dortmund and Monaco follows
:10:13. > :10:17.an attack on the German team. Monaco won that match 3-2, by the
:10:18. > :10:22.way. We brought you news last night that
:10:23. > :10:25.Dortmund's team bus had been The prosecutor said today that metal
:10:26. > :10:28.strips were put in the devices. The precise motive for the attack
:10:29. > :10:32.is still not clear but police are We've been speaking
:10:33. > :10:42.to our correspondent, Not an awful lot of detail from the
:10:43. > :10:49.police but they are focusing on these mysterious letters. They are.
:10:50. > :10:54.Prosecutors say that they found three letters at the site of last
:10:55. > :11:00.night's explosions. Base a the contents of those letters point to a
:11:01. > :11:05.potential Islamist terror motive for the attacks. They are being
:11:06. > :11:10.examined, they say, by Islamic experts. Letters are said have
:11:11. > :11:19.contained a man's that German Tornado fighters are withdrawn from
:11:20. > :11:25.Syria and that Germany closes its army base at Ramstein. A twist to
:11:26. > :11:31.the investigation at this point but these letters appear to be the focus
:11:32. > :11:37.of the investigation at the moment. The reaction from the town. It's
:11:38. > :11:44.been fairly impressive. The team is resilient, playing their match.
:11:45. > :11:47.Stories of fans from the opposing team buying each other drinks.
:11:48. > :11:55.Sounds like a town that hasn't given into the attacks. Absolutely. People
:11:56. > :12:00.would say that this is the spirit of football. Germany's national game.
:12:01. > :12:07.Away fans were put up by many of their rival fans in a display of
:12:08. > :12:12.solidarity. Speaking to people before the match began, a real sense
:12:13. > :12:19.that no one wants to be cowed ideas attack. It looks like a deliberate
:12:20. > :12:25.targeting of the Dortmund team. No one wants to give into that kind of
:12:26. > :12:30.terror is what people are saying to us. One man was alongside his young
:12:31. > :12:37.son, eating their sausages on the way in, they said Ford Paul is
:12:38. > :12:46.stronger than -- football is stronger than terror. They speak for
:12:47. > :12:53.many. Does it get any better? Sadly for Dortmund, it didn't go too well.
:12:54. > :12:58.They lost 3-2. Quite an exciting finale with two late goals but they
:12:59. > :12:59.go into the second leg losing. Not surprising given what they've been
:13:00. > :13:05.through over the last few days. It should serve as a warning
:13:06. > :13:08.to anyone in the public eye. Never compare the actions
:13:09. > :13:10.of Hitler or the terror The White House Press
:13:11. > :13:14.Secretary Sean Spicer, got himself into an awful mess
:13:15. > :13:25.yesterday, with this We didn't use chemical weapons in
:13:26. > :13:30.World War II. You have somebody as despicable as Hitler who didn't even
:13:31. > :13:35.sing to using chemical weapons. You have too, if you are sure, is this
:13:36. > :13:38.country and a regime that you want to yourself with?
:13:39. > :13:40.And during the Jewish festival of passover.
:13:41. > :13:42.What is worse is that in his immediate clarification
:13:43. > :13:45.which he was asked for at the same briefing, he walked
:13:46. > :14:00.When you come to sarin gas, he wasn't using it on his own people in
:14:01. > :14:09.the same way as Assad is doing. I appreciate that. He brought them
:14:10. > :14:13.into the Holocaust centres, I understand that, I saying the weight
:14:14. > :14:18.Assad used them, in towns, dropping them in the middle of towns, the use
:14:19. > :14:24.of it, I appreciate the clarification. That was not the
:14:25. > :14:27.intent. Sean Spicer who have not learnt that when you are in a hole
:14:28. > :14:29.stop digging. A written apology was later issued
:14:30. > :14:32.by the White House but such was the reaction on Social media -
:14:33. > :14:35.the Anne Frank Centre called it an "evil slur" -
:14:36. > :14:38.that Spicer, was sent out to make a full apology on the
:14:39. > :14:40.evening bulletins. He has been speaking again today
:14:41. > :14:46.at a news forum in Washington. I made a mistake. There is no other
:14:47. > :14:52.way to say it. Got into a topic that I shouldn't have and I screwed up.
:14:53. > :14:58.It is painful to myself to know that I did something like that. It was
:14:59. > :15:05.not my intention. To know that when you screw up, you offend a lot of
:15:06. > :15:10.people, I would ask for forgiveness to understand that I should not have
:15:11. > :15:17.tried to make a comparison. There is no comparing atrocities. A pretty
:15:18. > :15:24.good apology. United airlines could probably learn a lesson from that.
:15:25. > :15:29.There are perils. His is not a job for the faint-hearted. He has to
:15:30. > :15:32.stand there defending the president. That's not easy because sometimes
:15:33. > :15:36.the president says things without evidence to back it up and he has
:15:37. > :15:45.two supporting. You just can't get away with a comment like that, can
:15:46. > :15:48.you? I think the way he came out and apologised from this White House and
:15:49. > :15:54.president who doesn't like climbing down. It made me think he had the
:15:55. > :16:02.direction of the president and the Oval office behind him. I saw a
:16:03. > :16:06.tweet you sent out last night about the relationship between the
:16:07. > :16:11.president and Steve Bannon. He is irked by the idea that it is
:16:12. > :16:13.President Bannon and he is the fall guy tagging along. Can we show what
:16:14. > :16:34.is said in the New York Post? As far as I'm aware, tell me if I'm
:16:35. > :16:41.right, Steve Bannon won it for him at the end, didn't he? He was the
:16:42. > :16:45.campaign chairman. If your editors ever say to you, I like you but,
:16:46. > :17:01.listen to the butt bit of the conversation. Never a good sign. My
:17:02. > :17:02.bet is the but bit is more important at the moment. Steve Bannon not an
:17:03. > :17:14.very solid ground. For the past few months we have been
:17:15. > :17:17.telling you the French election is a two horse,
:17:18. > :17:19.possibly a three horse race. The centrist Emmanuel Macron,
:17:20. > :17:21.and the Front National's Marine Le Pen lead the polls,
:17:22. > :17:24.with the right wing And suddenly Jean Luc Melenchon,
:17:25. > :17:29.of the hard left, is in the frame. For most of the campaign he had been
:17:30. > :17:32.dismissed as a distant no-hoper but according to these latest polls
:17:33. > :17:37.he has surged into the top four, and is now just a few points
:17:38. > :17:39.behind the leaders. His movement is La France
:17:40. > :17:41.insoumise, which translates He came fourth in 2012
:17:42. > :17:44.behind Marine Le Pen. This time around he is calling for
:17:45. > :17:47.a non violent citizens revolution. He is supported by the communists
:17:48. > :17:50.so none too surprisingly He wants 100% taxation
:17:51. > :17:53.for the super rich. Far from getting rid
:17:54. > :17:55.of the 35 hour week, he would go further and introduce
:17:56. > :17:57.a 32 hour week. And he pledges to get rid
:17:58. > :18:00.of homelessness in France. So could we really be contemplating
:18:01. > :18:04.a second round run-off between the Far Right and
:18:05. > :18:06.the Far Left. Let's cross to Paris,
:18:07. > :18:20.and speak to the commentator Is it going to be Melenchon against
:18:21. > :18:23.Marine Le Pen? It is the stuff of nightmares for most of us but it is
:18:24. > :18:28.one of the many ways this could play out. It is what they used to say
:18:29. > :18:37.about Hollywood, nobody knows anything. Melenchon is practically
:18:38. > :18:45.at the same level as Fillon. He has gained six points in one week. He
:18:46. > :18:48.has left behind him the theme or mealy-mouthed official Socialist
:18:49. > :18:54.candidate. He is coming from the far left. He is garnering a number of
:18:55. > :19:00.people who want basically to stick it to the man. The same voters who
:19:01. > :19:07.would vote for Marine Le Pen. The voters who voted for Trump. The
:19:08. > :19:14.voters who voted for Brexit. He is an extremely good speaker. He is a
:19:15. > :19:20.former literature teacher, about 16 centuries ago, a Socialist senators
:19:21. > :19:27.in the 80s and 90s. He has firmly positioned himself in the space left
:19:28. > :19:30.vacant by the French Communist Party when the USSR disappeared. He
:19:31. > :19:37.suddenly sounds new and interesting and different from the others. Some
:19:38. > :19:42.years ago, I spent a day with him in the Calais region. Marine Le Pen was
:19:43. > :19:48.in the same market as him. I noticed that when it comes to economics,
:19:49. > :19:54.they stand next to each other. That is the great truth of the populist
:19:55. > :20:01.leaders everywhere and the extreme right and left, many of the stances
:20:02. > :20:07.are exactly the same. He supports saying nobody knows whether Syria
:20:08. > :20:15.used gas against its own population. She does the same. They both want to
:20:16. > :20:21.get out of Europe. They appealed to the same abroad type of voters.
:20:22. > :20:27.Especially, if you are in the northern city where she almost got
:20:28. > :20:33.elected as an MP, in the northern region that she almost won in the
:20:34. > :20:39.last regional election, that is the French rust belt. People who used to
:20:40. > :20:46.vote socialist, suddenly they find themselves abandoned and want
:20:47. > :20:51.extremes. The one area on which they are very diverted, these two
:20:52. > :20:57.candidates, Melenchon and Marine Le Pen is the issue of immigration. We
:20:58. > :21:02.saw Melenchon giving a memorial on the banks of the Mediterranean for
:21:03. > :21:06.the refugees who try to make it to Europe. How did the voters torn
:21:07. > :21:12.between the two lean on that one? It's really a question of
:21:13. > :21:18.ideological and muscle memory of many of the popular voters. The
:21:19. > :21:24.South East voters of the National front are against immigration and
:21:25. > :21:28.will never vote for Melenchon. In the north, people remember belonging
:21:29. > :21:33.to something different and something might carry over. His attitude to
:21:34. > :21:43.immigration is give everybody papers. Until now, people did not
:21:44. > :21:47.think he was so in with many chances so they didn't pay attention to his
:21:48. > :21:53.manifesto. Now, all of the big guns are against him. Among the things
:21:54. > :21:58.that are problematic is taxation going up and public spending going
:21:59. > :22:09.up to the tune of 270 billion euros. We will have to leave it there. Only
:22:10. > :22:13.11 days to go till the election. I think he's the oldest candidate in
:22:14. > :22:18.the race but he is the most savvy on social media. In the last few days,
:22:19. > :22:25.a video game has popped up. It's called fiscal combat. Here is the
:22:26. > :22:53.character. A little graphic of Jean-Luc Melenchon.
:22:54. > :23:01.I'm guessing those guys in ties of the super-rich, he shakes them down
:23:02. > :23:06.for taxes and you get bonus points. That's how to win an election
:23:07. > :23:07.campaign. Bring out a video game. We will be there next week, we will
:23:08. > :23:17.find out. Well it's day 83 of the Trump
:23:18. > :23:20.administration and on this programme we like to check in with those
:23:21. > :23:23.who voted for him to get A few weeks ago we spoke
:23:24. > :23:27.with Van Mobley - the Village president of Thiensville,
:23:28. > :23:29.Wisconsin and today he's back to give us his opinion
:23:30. > :23:34.on recent events. I wanted to ask you what you made of
:23:35. > :23:45.the President's strike against Syria? I wasn't keen on it and I
:23:46. > :23:49.would have advised against it. Why? The way he ran on avoiding
:23:50. > :23:56.entanglements in the middle east and interminable civil wars, I see
:23:57. > :24:00.this... My heart goes out to the people suffering in Syria but I
:24:01. > :24:04.don't know that ending in American missile strikes is going to make
:24:05. > :24:09.them better and it certainly might make our lives worse. Moving on from
:24:10. > :24:14.that, what's done is done and I was actually encouraged by the press
:24:15. > :24:18.conference today between Rex Tillerson and Sergey Lavrov. They
:24:19. > :24:22.focused on the things that Russia and the US need to cooperate on.
:24:23. > :24:30.There are disagreements, there always have been and always will be
:24:31. > :24:34.that the United States and Russia often were able to cooperate to keep
:24:35. > :24:41.a marginal amount of peace in the world. I think we will again. This
:24:42. > :24:45.idea that Donald Trump has been spreading that he had to go in
:24:46. > :24:50.because Assad is a monster and he couldn't sanction the fact that gas
:24:51. > :24:54.was dropped among civilians. That doesn't resonate with you at all.
:24:55. > :25:00.That was something that he couldn't have seen coming when he was
:25:01. > :25:09.campaigning. It doesn't resonate with me but he said it and I do feel
:25:10. > :25:15.the pain for those people. I am not a callous figure, I'm a village
:25:16. > :25:20.president but I'm also, I would say, in this case, I would have advised
:25:21. > :25:31.against it. What's done is done and I think often these things do create
:25:32. > :25:37.good to come of it and I certainly hope it will in this case and I'm
:25:38. > :25:45.hopeful. How would you like to see America's role in the world under
:25:46. > :25:49.President Trump? I think that the United States has been a force for
:25:50. > :25:55.good in the world and I believe that it should we and can continue to be
:25:56. > :26:01.that. Should continue to be that. We have too much of means with the ends
:26:02. > :26:05.and certainly the priority in Syria from the American standpoint and I
:26:06. > :26:09.certainly speak with what Rex Tillerson and President said have
:26:10. > :26:14.said, Isis is the priority, at least in my view. We should get rid of
:26:15. > :26:23.Isis and then deal with other things. I don't have the
:26:24. > :26:28.intelligence. I hope you will come and join as again. So interesting to
:26:29. > :26:33.get your update on how President Trump is doing. Fascinating to hear
:26:34. > :26:41.what President Trump supporters, as he was saying there, voted for him
:26:42. > :26:46.after he campaigned on bringing America back from global
:26:47. > :26:51.engagements. This is the point that Steve Bannon was making, this is not
:26:52. > :26:56.what they voted. Stop they voted America first. Bannon was opposed to
:26:57. > :26:59.the strike on Syria and many of those that he brought to the
:27:00. > :27:02.campaign late in the day agreed with him.
:27:03. > :27:04.So, we have had one apology from Sean Spicer.
:27:05. > :27:07.We have had another from United Airlines.
:27:08. > :27:09.48 hours after a passenger was dragged from an overbooked
:27:10. > :27:12.flight CEO Oscar Munoz has decided to "clarify" what he actually meant.
:27:13. > :27:15.Yes, on case you were in any doubt - the second apology -
:27:16. > :27:18.confirms this is not the way to de-plane, re-accomodate, replace
:27:19. > :27:20.with one of your own crew members, a passenger who has paid
:27:21. > :27:28.He was super apologetic this time around and said it was all his
:27:29. > :27:34.fault, all the company's fault and not love the fault of the poor
:27:35. > :27:36.passenger. He said it too late. If you ever tried apologising to your
:27:37. > :27:43.wife, do it fast. Thank you for watching. You've been
:27:44. > :27:58.watching 100 days. Thank you for joining us. Goodbye.
:27:59. > :28:00.Quite a fresh day. They few showers as well. This is what