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:00:12. > :00:13.Across the region, other families are still awaiting news

:00:14. > :00:23.Among them, 15-year-old Olivia Campbell from Ramsbottom.

:00:24. > :00:26.Alison Howe and Lisa Lees, two mums from Royton who'd gone

:00:27. > :00:28.to pick up their children from the arena.

:00:29. > :00:30.And 29-year-old Martin Hett from Stockport.

:00:31. > :00:32.His family's been unable to contact him since the concert.

:00:33. > :00:35.Anyone worried a relative could have been caught up in the attack should

:00:36. > :01:37.call Greater Manchester Police on 0800 096 0095.

:01:38. > :01:39.The full horror of the atrocity became apparent around

:01:40. > :01:42.Thousands of Ariana Granda fans pouring out of the Arena.

:01:43. > :01:45.Jubilation from the concert turned to devastation at the doorway.

:01:46. > :01:47.It was a scene of panic and confusion, death and horror

:01:48. > :01:51.One of the first reporters there was Clare Fallon -

:01:52. > :01:56.17,000 people inside the arena, from the details we have been given, it

:01:57. > :01:58.seems like this was an attack that was designed to cause maximum

:01:59. > :02:01.devastation, designed to kill as many people as possible and I say

:02:02. > :02:06.that because of the timing. This man didn't make it into the arena

:02:07. > :02:09.itself, he was in the lobby, he waited for the concert to come to an

:02:10. > :02:15.end, for people to begin pouring out to go home. Of course, some of those

:02:16. > :02:19.people did not make it home because of the attack.

:02:20. > :02:45.Oh, my God. What's going on?

:02:46. > :02:47.The sound of fear filled the arena as people ran.

:02:48. > :02:51.And the enormity of what had happened soon became clear.

:02:52. > :02:55.Did you get a sense of what it was, it was an explosion?

:02:56. > :03:02.Yes, definitely an explosion, because there's nuts

:03:03. > :03:06.Yeah, there are nuts and bolts everywhere.

:03:07. > :03:08.So you think this was some kind of deliberate...

:03:09. > :03:10.Yes, of course it was. Not accidental.

:03:11. > :03:13.As we were coming out the door, we just heard

:03:14. > :03:16.And then, what, you ran? We just ran, yeah.

:03:17. > :03:20.With so many people hurt - some of them catastrophically -

:03:21. > :03:22.inside the arena and Victoria station,

:03:23. > :03:27.Having seen things no adult - let alone child - should ever see,

:03:28. > :03:29.Amelia told me she's one of the lucky ones.

:03:30. > :03:31.Suddenly, like, something really hot just flew over us

:03:32. > :03:37.and my mum and my sister and we all, like,

:03:38. > :04:12.22 people were killed near the entrance. Nearly 60 were injured.

:04:13. > :04:20.Suddenly, a massive/. Small. I had to live my wife down on the floor.

:04:21. > :04:28.She has had a bruise under her chin. And she has probably broken her

:04:29. > :04:32.femur in her left leg. Something really hot just flew over others and

:04:33. > :04:37.landed behind me and my mum and my sister and then we all dropped to

:04:38. > :04:41.the floor but then my mum told me that they were behind us so then we

:04:42. > :04:45.ran out but then I realised they weren't so I ran back in and shouted

:04:46. > :04:49.on my mum but I could not hear anything because my year was blocked

:04:50. > :04:52.and it was just really scary. All I could hear was screaming, people

:04:53. > :04:59.crying. Everyone was just running everywhere. Completely random.

:05:00. > :05:04.Before the night was over, the police knew they were dealing with

:05:05. > :05:07.an attack by a suicide bomber with a home-made explosive device, packed

:05:08. > :05:12.with metal fragments. It was a deliberate attack on children and

:05:13. > :05:18.young people. Time when parents were waiting to pick up their sons and

:05:19. > :05:25.daughters. During the night, specialist teams were brought in.

:05:26. > :05:29.400 police officers were deployed along with forensic teams. Early on,

:05:30. > :05:35.police appeared to know the identity of the bomber. Then, within the last

:05:36. > :05:42.hour, an update. I can confirm that the man suspected of carrying out

:05:43. > :05:46.last night's atrocity is 22-year-olds Salman Abede. However,

:05:47. > :05:49.he has not yet been formally named by the coroner and therefore I would

:05:50. > :05:55.not wish to comment further about him at this stage. And on the

:05:56. > :05:58.streets, survivors, reliving a concert that ended in fear and

:05:59. > :06:04.murder. This is Helen and Isabella. We hit the corridors when we saw

:06:05. > :06:12.masses of people running in absolute terror and panic to get out of the

:06:13. > :06:16.place. Young teenage children, 14, 15. There were mothers with

:06:17. > :06:24.children, carrying them on their shoulder. There were people with

:06:25. > :06:31.wheelchairs, panicking to get out. Laura and Isabella's concert ended a

:06:32. > :06:34.case -- a chaotic search for the exits. We do is run. I do not know

:06:35. > :06:44.where we came out of, but we just ran. Parents had to get home so they

:06:45. > :06:51.were very scared obviously because they were on their own. Manchester

:06:52. > :06:59.has been a city on edge today, shaken by alerts and rumours and a

:07:00. > :07:02.shopping centre evacuated. It is now beyond doubt that the people of

:07:03. > :07:07.Manchester and this country have followed victim to a callous

:07:08. > :07:10.terrorist attack. An attack that targeted some of the youngest people

:07:11. > :07:17.in our society with cold calculation. This was among the

:07:18. > :07:22.worst terrorist incidents we have ever experienced in the United

:07:23. > :07:26.Kingdom. During the day, police raided a number of houses. A

:07:27. > :07:31.22-year-old man was arrested in connection with yesterday's bomb

:07:32. > :07:37.attack. And attack had long been feared. Preventing a determined

:07:38. > :07:39.suicide bomber is incredibly difficult. The priority for the

:07:40. > :07:43.police will be to discover everything they can about this man,

:07:44. > :07:44.whether he is part of a wider network and whether there is a risk

:07:45. > :07:56.of further attacks. Off the back of it... Yes, well, of

:07:57. > :07:59.course, the police investigation has been going on throughout the day to

:08:00. > :08:12.try and establish exactly what happened. We now know the name of

:08:13. > :08:19.the bomber, This eight child one -- was among those killed. It was an

:08:20. > :08:23.attack directed at innocence. Well, we saw the very worst of humanity

:08:24. > :08:27.here last night, but we are seeing the best of humanity in Manchester

:08:28. > :08:30.since the attack. It is not just the way people responded that the

:08:31. > :08:33.response has been extraordinary, it is people offering to give people a

:08:34. > :08:37.little more a room or some hotel space or even a mobile phone to call

:08:38. > :08:39.parents because there were so many children last night you were

:08:40. > :08:43.separated from their parents in the panic, but it was also the

:08:44. > :08:46.professionalism and the speed with which the emergency services

:08:47. > :08:50.responded, because they were up those steps last night within

:08:51. > :08:54.minutes. And it was perfectly possible to imagine that there would

:08:55. > :08:58.be a second attack. Most people were fleeing the Syria to get away from a

:08:59. > :09:02.secondary device. The emergency services were running into it and

:09:03. > :09:05.into what they did not know. So their bravery really has been

:09:06. > :09:08.commended today and I have just come from Albert Square were there was a

:09:09. > :09:12.vigil this evening and a loud round of applause was for the men and

:09:13. > :09:17.women who tended to the injured inside the Fourier. And I think the

:09:18. > :09:21.other thing to say is the police and the way they have responded. Of

:09:22. > :09:28.course, there is a very active forensic investigation underway.

:09:29. > :09:33.Here at the arena. But also into the background of this Salman Abede, a

:09:34. > :09:37.young man who may have connections to Libya. They are obviously looking

:09:38. > :09:41.into his background because although it may well have been a crude

:09:42. > :09:44.home-made device, there was an element of sophistication, certainly

:09:45. > :09:47.in the planning and perhaps in the construction of the bomb, so what

:09:48. > :09:50.they want to know is whether he was acting alone, whether you're blurred

:09:51. > :09:55.those skills to make the bomb, or was he, and this is the worst-case

:09:56. > :10:00.scenario, what he supplied that one ad is there a bomb maker that is

:10:01. > :10:02.still at large that the police need to find. Clearly, this is going to

:10:03. > :10:07.be a long investigation and for every parents of daughters who are

:10:08. > :10:12.about that age and you love Ariana Grande, we know how many children

:10:13. > :10:16.and parents have been affected by this, including the singer herself,

:10:17. > :10:20.22-year-old Ariana Grande says that she was broken by the attack. The

:10:21. > :10:24.rest of her European shows have now been suspended. 60 ambulances went

:10:25. > :10:27.to Manchester Arena after the attack and those wooded are being treated

:10:28. > :10:31.at eight hospitals around the city. We are now starting to get a picture

:10:32. > :10:33.of the people who are caught up in it. Our special correspondence has

:10:34. > :10:57.this report on the victims of terror.

:10:58. > :11:02.This teenager idolise Ariana Grande. This was when she met her in 2015.

:11:03. > :11:05.This afternoon, a college in Leyland said our thoughts and prayers go out

:11:06. > :11:10.to all of Georgina's family friends and all of those affected by this

:11:11. > :11:15.loss. And the latest of the 22 who died to be named, John Atkinson from

:11:16. > :11:24.Bury. Friends said the 28-year-old was an amazing young man. In

:11:25. > :11:28.Manchester, they are also remembering the injured. 59 people

:11:29. > :11:33.were taken to hospital. It is not 12 of the casualties are children under

:11:34. > :11:37.16. Clearly, there are a number of individuals who have very serious

:11:38. > :11:45.injuries and requiring intensive care. And people are going to be in

:11:46. > :11:49.hospital a long time. Some families are still waiting to hear from loved

:11:50. > :11:53.ones. People like Louis Rutherford and William Currie from South

:11:54. > :11:57.Shields and Laurie McIntire and Aileen McLeod from the Isle of Barra

:11:58. > :12:03.and Courtney Boyle and Philip Tron from Gateshead. Behind every face, a

:12:04. > :12:08.desperate search. We haven't seen this girl. I Anders Aslund if you

:12:09. > :12:12.have seen this jungle. Have you seen this girl? She was at the concert

:12:13. > :12:15.last night. This is the uncle of 15-year-old Olivia Campbell. Her

:12:16. > :12:21.family asked us to show her picture and publicise the search, from

:12:22. > :12:26.hotels to hospitals. We have been as close as we can to the arena to

:12:27. > :12:29.check the back streets and we have been to this hospital, a couple

:12:30. > :12:33.more. We have friends and family going to other hospitals. We have

:12:34. > :12:36.friends in Blackburn who work there and they are looking at their

:12:37. > :12:40.hospital. We are just coming to an end. All we need to do is get in

:12:41. > :12:44.contact with anyone who sees or knows where she is. All we need is a

:12:45. > :12:50.phone call and we can go and get her. And waiting at home, cousins,

:12:51. > :12:53.grandparents, and a mother who wanted to record this message to

:12:54. > :13:00.help find her daughter. I am worried sick. If anybody has seen her,

:13:01. > :13:03.please contact the police, contact somebody, let us know that you have

:13:04. > :13:09.seen her. Does let the police know, please. In just seconds, so much

:13:10. > :13:20.changed. Young lives so cruelly taken.

:13:21. > :13:26.Plenty of reaction here in Manchester today. Let's meet

:13:27. > :13:30.introduce you to the CEO of human appeal, which is a Manchester -based

:13:31. > :13:35.charity. You do a lot of work in Syria and Afghanistan as well. Tell

:13:36. > :13:41.me a little bit about what you've heard from the police today about

:13:42. > :13:48.this 22-year-old monk -- young man, some collections -- connections to

:13:49. > :13:50.Libya. Should we be surprised that someone who has done something like

:13:51. > :13:58.this would come from a country that is so unethical? I think we are very

:13:59. > :14:11.surprised as well. -- that is still stable. The stability has produced a

:14:12. > :14:15.lot of problems. Bearing in mind that immigration and those who have

:14:16. > :14:18.migrated, millions of people came to Europe because of the instability

:14:19. > :14:22.there in serious this means have a lot of responsibility, the

:14:23. > :14:26.international community, to try our best to solve the problems there.

:14:27. > :14:29.Does an incident like this make it much more difficult to integrate

:14:30. > :14:33.people like that you are coming from these countries into British

:14:34. > :14:37.society? Do you worry about the divisions that that might cause? I

:14:38. > :14:43.am not that worried because, for example, or charity. We do our best

:14:44. > :14:48.to bring young people and we have 2000 volunteers around the country.

:14:49. > :14:53.We try to challenge -- channel their energy to do things to maybe raise

:14:54. > :15:00.funds to do other activities to help those who are abroad. So we need to

:15:01. > :15:03.find a way. So this means there is a collective responsibility in the

:15:04. > :15:06.community and we need to work together to channel the energy of

:15:07. > :15:09.these young people and reach them as well because we need to do a lot of

:15:10. > :15:16.projects to reach young people, especially in editors bandaged -- in

:15:17. > :15:22.disadvantaged areas and unstable countries. There will be a lot of

:15:23. > :15:25.people who will say I am putting a liberal spin on it and saying we had

:15:26. > :15:30.to do more in the community to help people who have recently arrived and

:15:31. > :15:34.these are the sort of people that should no good from evil and some

:15:35. > :15:38.times we are accused of being too liberal, but when you look be read

:15:39. > :15:43.back to September the 11th, we have tried invasions, we have dropped

:15:44. > :15:46.bombs and we have tried all sorts of counterterrorist measures that the

:15:47. > :15:51.incidents are starting to escalate, so there is clearly a problem within

:15:52. > :15:54.our societies in Europe were people of the kind you have just described

:15:55. > :16:05.are being lost and they are dropping through the gaps. Yes. I think we

:16:06. > :16:09.have a responsibility. We need to do a lot of work with the young people

:16:10. > :16:15.who come here. We need to find a way to integrate them with the community

:16:16. > :16:19.and find a way to tell -- to channel their energy. At the same time, we

:16:20. > :16:21.cannot avoid speaking about the big picture were the international

:16:22. > :16:24.community has a big responsibility to solve the problems there as well.

:16:25. > :16:30.That is something because I do a lot of work in Syria, I have seen the

:16:31. > :16:34.reality in my eyes. I just came two weeks ago from the border between

:16:35. > :16:43.Turkey and Syria, Lebanon and Syria, so I grow frequently and ITV reality

:16:44. > :16:46.there are so we have a big responsibility -- our Government has

:16:47. > :16:48.a big responsibility to stop what is happening there because as I said

:16:49. > :16:54.earlier, those who came to Europe because there was a problem there,

:16:55. > :16:59.we need to support for example Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan, who host

:17:00. > :17:03.now 4 million refugees sought we have a responsibility. And when they

:17:04. > :17:08.arrive here, that is double. Extra responsibility. And we are more than

:17:09. > :17:12.happy in the Western community to work with the local authorities like

:17:13. > :17:15.we do here in Manchester and with local Government as well to help

:17:16. > :17:19.integrate those who come to Europe from the unstable countries. OK.

:17:20. > :17:33.Thank you very much for being with us. We can speak now to security

:17:34. > :17:36.expert birdie-mac, who advises the Government on public protection. If

:17:37. > :17:38.you were in Manchester today and advising the authorities in

:17:39. > :17:46.Manchester, what would you be asking them to look at? Well, I think

:17:47. > :17:52.everyone is going to enter some days of grieving, along with all of these

:17:53. > :17:56.victims and the first consideration from the point of view of the public

:17:57. > :18:01.is really going to be that 20,000 people in five minutes have had in

:18:02. > :18:06.your death experience and traumatic separation from children, so this is

:18:07. > :18:13.a massive effort for the community to sort out and for the schools to

:18:14. > :18:17.help. In terms of the terrorism, the whole of Britain actually has a

:18:18. > :18:22.lesson from this and that is that we are entering potentially a very new

:18:23. > :18:26.phase of much more military style attacks and these may threaten ours

:18:27. > :18:30.because they may be more effective with these mass casualties and also

:18:31. > :18:36.aiming at hard targets like the police, as we have seen in a recent

:18:37. > :18:39.attack. So it means the authorities and the public are going to have to

:18:40. > :18:46.work more closely. The other thing that we learned from the very sad

:18:47. > :18:51.situation at Manchester is that the terrorists are finding art

:18:52. > :18:54.facilities inside are so well protected that the focus of their

:18:55. > :19:00.targeting is outside the facility on the periphery. Airports around the

:19:01. > :19:03.world have experienced this. We have seen people walk into arrivals to do

:19:04. > :19:11.the attacks because getting in another way is to well protected. So

:19:12. > :19:15.does that mean, from your firm's experience, that what security

:19:16. > :19:19.officials now have to be looking at is the external of buildings like

:19:20. > :19:22.this and what can they really realistically do about that, short

:19:23. > :19:29.of making an entire city on lockdown? Well, this country already

:19:30. > :19:32.has defence in depth and it is disguised in many ways in the street

:19:33. > :19:39.furniture and the way barriers are up to stop ramming vehicles and

:19:40. > :19:42.vehicle bombs getting too close to buildings. They worked usually on

:19:43. > :19:47.that and in the Olympics they did you'd work with local communities

:19:48. > :19:51.and businesses and there is a very tight in intelligence of people

:19:52. > :19:53.talking to the police, but the design, particularly in the

:19:54. > :19:58.facilities that I have been looking at, particularly in this leisure

:19:59. > :20:02.area, our concern has very much been the front facade of the entry areas

:20:03. > :20:08.as the weak spots because this seems to get uncontrolled and often

:20:09. > :20:14.facilities are old and they don't always have explosion protection

:20:15. > :20:18.glass and very tight fitting that won't become extra fragmentation if

:20:19. > :20:23.you have this type of attack, so the engineers will look at this very

:20:24. > :20:27.carefully. OK. Fascinating. Thank you very much for joining us. Well,

:20:28. > :20:31.this type of attack is something that security forces in western

:20:32. > :20:34.countries are always on alert for, but with soft targets like answered

:20:35. > :20:39.Samaritans and sporting venues, as you heard, more can be done to

:20:40. > :20:42.protect the public? Today, while he was in Israel, President Trump had

:20:43. > :20:50.this to say about the assault. I will call them from now on losers

:20:51. > :20:55.because that is what they are. They are losers. Well, joining me now is

:20:56. > :21:01.Stephen Hadley, he served as national security adviser to

:21:02. > :21:06.President Bush. Is it possible as President Trump has suggested for as

:21:07. > :21:12.ever to eradicate the threat that comes from Islamic State? It is

:21:13. > :21:18.going to take a long time. It is going to require a strategy on a

:21:19. > :21:24.variety of levels, sustained over a long period of time. We are going

:21:25. > :21:27.after Isis now. We are stripping them of their territory, of their

:21:28. > :21:31.so-called caliphate. That is the right thing to do because it gives

:21:32. > :21:33.them a place to train and it was a source of inspiration and

:21:34. > :21:38.recruitment, but if we succeed, they will then go back down to being kind

:21:39. > :21:43.of a terrorist organisation like Al-Qaeda and we will have two deal

:21:44. > :21:46.with that, trying to get intelligence to disrupt attacks and

:21:47. > :21:51.trying too hard on things here at home. We will all have do pay

:21:52. > :21:55.special attention now to those major gatherings, sporting events,

:21:56. > :21:58.concerts and be like to upgrade the security associated with both events

:21:59. > :22:02.because that is a vulnerability that the terrorists are beginning to

:22:03. > :22:05.exploit. We are going to be in this for the long haul and what President

:22:06. > :22:11.Trump is trying to do is rally the world of Islam to join others in

:22:12. > :22:18.that effort and really put down the line that these folks are working

:22:19. > :22:24.off an extremist ideology that is a perversion of religion and is really

:22:25. > :22:26.the enemy of all religion. Since September the 11th, intelligence

:22:27. > :22:30.sharing has improved here in the United States and with Western

:22:31. > :22:32.allies as well and with European countries, but it becomes

:22:33. > :22:37.increasingly difficult when you can have an individual and we do not

:22:38. > :22:40.know whether this was one person or a network but when you have an

:22:41. > :22:45.individual who can strap on a bomb and cause this much damage trying to

:22:46. > :22:48.trace that individual and stop them. Is it possible for us to keep track

:22:49. > :22:54.of every single person who is a threat? Well, one of the things we

:22:55. > :22:58.have to do is work in our local communities to identify people who

:22:59. > :23:01.are at risk and tried to get them connected with their family, get

:23:02. > :23:08.them to help and support so they don't move in the direction. But

:23:09. > :23:11.sometimes people are on watch lists and the security services quite

:23:12. > :23:15.understandably do not have the resources to keep everybody on a

:23:16. > :23:18.list of the time. That is why it needs to be a community effort to

:23:19. > :23:23.take some responsibility and to try to get young people in particular

:23:24. > :23:26.heading down the right path and there are some programmes were this

:23:27. > :23:30.is being attempted in countries around the world. We have to do

:23:31. > :23:35.more. They are trying it in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. But it is going

:23:36. > :23:39.to be a community wide effort and it is going to take all of us and there

:23:40. > :23:44.will be times when terrorists are going to get through. Were you

:23:45. > :23:53.involved in the investigation into the attack in Manchester, what would

:23:54. > :23:55.you be looking for today? Well, the question and the people who have

:23:56. > :24:00.been on your show have said very clearly, is this someone by

:24:01. > :24:04.themselves doing this or are they part of a network, and if they are

:24:05. > :24:08.part of a network then we have to find out where the financing came

:24:09. > :24:12.from, where the materials and training came from. And there are a

:24:13. > :24:17.lot of principles that are available to do that. So the first question is

:24:18. > :24:20.is this person acting alone, are they part of a network and then we

:24:21. > :24:24.have to run down the network and also make sure that this is not the

:24:25. > :24:27.first of a wave because that is always the thing you worry about

:24:28. > :24:32.when you have an attack is the second or third. Which is why you

:24:33. > :24:36.need to be so vigorous in your investigation, get to the bottom of

:24:37. > :24:40.it and make sure there isn't another attack planned and ready to go. OK.

:24:41. > :24:45.Stephen Hadley. Thank you for joining me on the programme. One

:24:46. > :24:49.issue that people here are talking about in the counterterrorism world

:24:50. > :24:53.that has changed since the days that Stephen Hadley was national security

:24:54. > :24:58.adviser is of course cyber and encryption and these individuals are

:24:59. > :25:01.often using encrypted communications and flying blind in a way for the

:25:02. > :25:10.national security services to try to keep track of them because they

:25:11. > :25:14.can't be traced so easily. Yes, that is how they are communicating. We

:25:15. > :25:19.were talking about people coming in from unstable regions of people

:25:20. > :25:22.listening to that might say the sky was British foreign, lived here in

:25:23. > :25:25.Manchester and grew up in Manchester and he did but we do not know what

:25:26. > :25:30.other connections he has had, whether he has been to Libya or is

:25:31. > :25:36.in connection or is just inspired by so-called Islamic state. We do not

:25:37. > :25:38.know. The difference between what happened at Westminster Bridge eight

:25:39. > :25:42.a few weeks ago and what has happened here is that the bomb might

:25:43. > :25:46.not be particularly sophisticated but there has to be a certain amount

:25:47. > :25:51.of planning that goes into it. In previous plots that have been

:25:52. > :25:53.foiled, usually they make contact with somebody, perhaps a bomb maker

:25:54. > :25:57.or somebody who cancellers materials. That gives them away and

:25:58. > :26:00.sometimes they do not make the bomb properly, but the point is this man

:26:01. > :26:03.has managed to blot out what he was going to do and has carried out

:26:04. > :26:12.successfully and that will be a worry to the police. You are

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