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:00:16. > :00:21.Police say he was part of a wider network and four more

:00:22. > :00:32.Before Salman Abedi carried out the attack he travelled to Libya -

:00:33. > :00:34.Police believe he was not acting alone.

:00:35. > :00:40.It's very clear that this is a network that we are investigating,

:00:41. > :00:42.as I said it continues at a pace, there's extensive

:00:43. > :00:46.Britain's threat level has been raised to critical -

:00:47. > :00:48.the highest there is - it means there will be troops

:00:49. > :00:53.As the victims are named - each brings a story of tragic loss -

:00:54. > :00:55.from young lives cut short to parents who went

:00:56. > :01:03.Britain is not happy that intelligence shared with America

:01:04. > :01:06.about the attack was leaked to US journalists.

:01:07. > :01:08.Officials in the UK say American authorities revealed

:01:09. > :01:12.information which could have hindered the investigation.

:01:13. > :01:16.Donald Trump goes to the Vatican for what he calls

:01:17. > :01:30.These two weren't always so friendly.

:01:31. > :01:36.Hi, I'm Christian Fraser in Manchester, Katty

:01:37. > :01:41.It is impossible for security services to keep every terrorism

:01:42. > :01:45.suspect under surveillance but tonight there are several signs

:01:46. > :01:48.that the Manchester bomber was a known cause for concern.

:01:49. > :01:51.He travelled to Libya and possibly Syria before the attack.

:01:52. > :01:54.Members of his own community tell the BBC they warned authorities

:01:55. > :01:56.about him and the French Government says he had proven

:01:57. > :02:06.The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, also says the suicide bomber

:02:07. > :02:08.was known to the UK intelligence agencies and he probably had

:02:09. > :02:19.For the victims and their grieving families, the news is no comfort.

:02:20. > :02:26.And this was a horrific violent event, it was more sophisticated

:02:27. > :02:30.than some of the events we have seen in the past or in other parts of

:02:31. > :02:35.Europe, so people are reasonably wondering whether he did this on his

:02:36. > :02:37.own and I am making sure that the police and the intelligence services

:02:38. > :02:43.doing that investigation have the support they need to find out who

:02:44. > :02:49.might be, have been working with him, because our focus is always

:02:50. > :02:51.going to be on making sure we keep people safe. The best way to do that

:02:52. > :02:53.is to ensure this operation ends. Here's the Manchester police

:02:54. > :03:04.on the investigation. I think it is very clear that this

:03:05. > :03:10.is a network we are investigating. It continues as apace. There are in

:03:11. > :03:17.destinations going on extensively and taking place across greater

:03:18. > :03:18.magister as we speak. Certainly the investigation is moving fast.

:03:19. > :03:20.The attacker's father and younger brother were both

:03:21. > :03:24.Five more people are being detained in Britain.

:03:25. > :03:27.It is now thought Salman Abedi may have been a 'mule' ,

:03:28. > :03:28.using a device built by someone else.

:03:29. > :03:36.Our special correspondent Ed Thomas has more.

:03:37. > :03:43.Suicide bomber Salman Abedi, an extremist who attacked the city of

:03:44. > :03:49.his birth. Now investigators surround his home, like everyone

:03:50. > :03:54.here, wanting answers. This man knew Abedi. He would watch him come and

:03:55. > :04:01.go from Manchester to Libya. Now he can't believe what his neighbour

:04:02. > :04:15.did. Unbelievably disgusted, to be honest. For a Muslim, and a Libyan

:04:16. > :04:23.as well for. For us, being the law of the country is most important.

:04:24. > :04:28.That is what the Prophet teaches us. He was shouting out the Koran in

:04:29. > :04:31.Islamic. I don't know the language. The BBC was told a black flag with

:04:32. > :04:35.Islamic writing was hung outside his home. Many had no idea what it

:04:36. > :04:41.meant. I remember seeing some sort of flag outside. I didn't really

:04:42. > :04:46.look at it. Was it English writing? No. A community worker who did not

:04:47. > :04:50.want to go on camera told us to separate people who knew Salman

:04:51. > :04:54.Abedi at college rang police several years ago. They said he was

:04:55. > :04:57.supporting terrorism and had expressed a view that being a

:04:58. > :05:03.suicide bomber was OK. Greater magister police will not comment on

:05:04. > :05:09.those claims. And what about the Manchester bomber's family? This is

:05:10. > :05:17.his brother Hashim now under arrest for is supporting so-called Islamic

:05:18. > :05:24.State. This is his father, he's now back home Libya. On his Facebook

:05:25. > :05:27.page he praises Al-Qaeda fighters in Syria. Before he left South

:05:28. > :05:36.Manchester: we were told he would take part in praise at this mosque.

:05:37. > :05:40.He is a guy who announces it. Police now want to know if anyone else what

:05:41. > :05:49.Salman Abedi and his father believed. Salman Abedi's father, he

:05:50. > :05:56.was in the mosque? Everyone knew him. A good man? He is a good man.

:05:57. > :05:59.This man is close to the trustees at Didsbury mosque. Like many he had no

:06:00. > :06:04.idea of the family's extremist links will stop we know he is connected to

:06:05. > :06:17.extremist fighters in Libya. Groups close to Al-Qaeda. To us it did not

:06:18. > :06:25.show. Is that a problem though? That people like yourself, good people,

:06:26. > :06:32.don't know who they with? We go back again, the mosque trustees go have

:06:33. > :06:37.to do more about that. A lot needs to be done. Tonight, Didsbury mosque

:06:38. > :06:41.said Salman Abedi was a coward who has crime had no praise in their

:06:42. > :06:43.religion. A man willing to kill and hurt in the city that was once his

:06:44. > :06:53.home. No doubt the community has pulled

:06:54. > :06:57.together and you can see the number of flowers that have been laid in

:06:58. > :07:03.just the last few hours. This is now becoming the focus of the grieving

:07:04. > :07:06.here in Manchester. This is the Metropolitan Mayor of Manchester.

:07:07. > :07:10.Thank you for being with us. A lot of police activity today. It is very

:07:11. > :07:12.noticeable for people in the city. Are you satisfied that they are

:07:13. > :07:17.getting to grips with the investigation was to mark yes, I

:07:18. > :07:21.have a high degree of confidence in what the police and security

:07:22. > :07:24.services have been doing. There has been a huge amount of progress with

:07:25. > :07:28.the investigation in the last 24 hours. I am confident that those

:07:29. > :07:31.responsible will be hunted down, held to account. I'm also very

:07:32. > :07:37.reassured by the police presence that we have in this city right now.

:07:38. > :07:41.Really, the response of the public servants of greater Manchester has

:07:42. > :07:44.been truly magnificent. It is obviously one of most complex

:07:45. > :07:49.investigations Manchester police will perhaps ever undertake. One of

:07:50. > :07:53.the things that alarming people is that there was information on Salman

:07:54. > :07:58.Abedi that was perhaps missed. A community worker told the BBC today

:07:59. > :08:03.that they had alerted the police several years ago to their concerns.

:08:04. > :08:06.When the appropriate time cans, people will have to look back at

:08:07. > :08:09.what was known in what was not known. I don't think this is

:08:10. > :08:13.necessarily the time. But we always have to bear in mind how hard the

:08:14. > :08:18.job of security services is. Information is coming in all the

:08:19. > :08:22.time. They have foiled many plots in recent times and we have to give

:08:23. > :08:28.them our support because they do an incredible job. This individual was

:08:29. > :08:32.an extremist, a terrorist, does not represent the Muslim community of

:08:33. > :08:37.greater Manchester, and certainly does not represent anybody here in

:08:38. > :08:39.greater Manchester. This is the true greater Manchester that we are

:08:40. > :08:47.seeing, the spirit that is coming through in these last 48 hours. You

:08:48. > :08:52.had a big event here on Friday, -- you've got a big event, can you

:08:53. > :08:56.reassure people that you are doing everything you can to protect them?

:08:57. > :09:00.Yes, we are working closely with Government the security services.

:09:01. > :09:05.The important thing is to get back to normal. That is the easiest

:09:06. > :09:09.signal to say we will not be beaten by what is happening. And Manchester

:09:10. > :09:13.has always done that, it does not ever back down to anybody and we

:09:14. > :09:18.won't be backing down now. We want to bring the city back together. Of

:09:19. > :09:19.course people will need to be vigilant but not unduly alarmed.

:09:20. > :09:23.There will be a police presence on the street but the best response is

:09:24. > :09:27.to come together, be strung together, and said that defiant

:09:28. > :09:29.Manchester message out ran the country and the world. That Northern

:09:30. > :09:53.spirit is certainly there. The investigation is moving fast.

:09:54. > :09:56.The police are saying they arrested a man carrying a suspect package.

:09:57. > :10:02.What you know about the latest arrests? We are just hearing of

:10:03. > :10:06.another operation going on not far from here which seems to involve

:10:07. > :10:10.about 45 police officers and 12 police vans. We are going down there

:10:11. > :10:15.to check out what is going on. This afternoon the man arrested in Wigan

:10:16. > :10:18.was arrested because he was carrying what seems to be a suspect package.

:10:19. > :10:23.We have not heard whether that turned out to be anything or not.

:10:24. > :10:27.Then of course there were three men arrested this morning who were

:10:28. > :10:33.arrested because they knew the suspect it bomber. That is also out

:10:34. > :10:38.of the investigation. Perhaps the most significant is invalid

:10:39. > :10:40.development this evening is that the New York Times has published

:10:41. > :10:46.photographs of what appears to be the remnants of the bomb from Monday

:10:47. > :10:50.night. Some details about that bomb include the suggestion that it seems

:10:51. > :10:56.to have been contained in some thin metal container, either in a blue

:10:57. > :11:01.backpack or a black vest. And that there was a trigger of some sort in

:11:02. > :11:02.the bomber's hands. That is probably the most significant of element as

:11:03. > :11:21.we go on air tonight. Intelligence that Americans

:11:22. > :11:24.journalists are getting information leaked to them from American

:11:25. > :11:29.sources. I am fascinated to know how they got these pictures of the bomb

:11:30. > :11:34.that our colleague was just telling us about. The Manchester attack was

:11:35. > :11:40.Britain's second terror attack in just two months. And as people

:11:41. > :11:43.rallied in London after the Westminster attack, people in

:11:44. > :11:46.Manchester are now pulling together. So far we know the names of 13 of

:11:47. > :11:57.the 22 people killed. As their names emerged today,

:11:58. > :11:59.one thing was inescapable - The carefree tenderness

:12:00. > :12:11.of the lives lost. Her family spent yesterday

:12:12. > :12:15.frantically searching for her. They learned early today

:12:16. > :12:18.that she had died. Her mother, Charlotte,

:12:19. > :12:33.posted this message on Facebook. She went to Tarlton Community

:12:34. > :12:36.Primary School in Lancashire. This morning, her classmates at

:12:37. > :12:40.assembly sang, Don't Stop Believing. Her mother and sister

:12:41. > :12:42.are still in hospital. Her warmth and kindness

:12:43. > :12:49.will be remembered fondly. Saffie was quiet and unassuming

:12:50. > :12:54.with a creative flair. Saffie comes from a close,

:12:55. > :12:57.loving family and we can only Marcin and Angelika Klis

:12:58. > :13:04.from Poland lived in York. This photograph was taken

:13:05. > :13:07.shortly before the attack. They had come to collect

:13:08. > :13:11.their daughters from the concert. Their girls lost both

:13:12. > :13:15.parents in an instant. I've been a Deirdre

:13:16. > :13:17.Barlow super fan. She's always been my

:13:18. > :13:19.favourite character. This is Martyn Hett speaking

:13:20. > :13:22.to the BBC in 2015. He was 29, gregarious,

:13:23. > :13:27.full of enthusiasm. His partner wrote, our wonderful,

:13:28. > :13:35.iconic and beautiful Martyn didn't survive -

:13:36. > :13:38.he left this world how Kelly Brewster was 32

:13:39. > :13:40.and from Sheffield. She died shielding her 11-year-old

:13:41. > :13:45.niece from the blast. Her partner wrote, Kelly really

:13:46. > :13:47.was the happiest she'd ever been. We had so many things

:13:48. > :13:52.planned together. Georgina Callander had

:13:53. > :13:54.adored Ariana Grande She was 18 and a second year student

:13:55. > :14:08.of health and social care, planning a career committed

:14:09. > :14:10.to helping others. John Atkinson, who was 28

:14:11. > :14:12.and from Bury, also studied Jane Tweddle-Taylor was a school

:14:13. > :14:19.receptionist and a mother of three She was waiting for

:14:20. > :14:23.a friend's daughter. She is irreplaceable,

:14:24. > :14:25.her colleagues said, bubbly, kind, welcoming,

:14:26. > :14:29.funny, generous. Nel Jones was 14 and described

:14:30. > :14:32.by her teachers as a bright It feels like the school

:14:33. > :14:38.has lost a sister, Her mother and grandmother were

:14:39. > :14:48.injured, her grandmother critically. Michelle was married

:14:49. > :14:56.with three young children. Her family issued

:14:57. > :14:57.a statement saying, family was her life, she has been taken

:14:58. > :15:01.from us in the most traumatic way Friends Lisa Lees and Alison Howe

:15:02. > :15:05.were waiting for their Both girls survived the blast

:15:06. > :15:14.but their mothers died side-by-side. Look into these faces and youth

:15:15. > :15:19.and optimism beam back at you. Children, young parents,

:15:20. > :15:41.leading normal, blameless lives. after the attack, too many children,

:15:42. > :15:47.too many families devastated by the bombing. It is terrible. Not just

:15:48. > :15:53.the young victims who we've heard so much about in the last few days, but

:15:54. > :15:57.14 of the 22 have now been named, it is a complex thing to name everyone

:15:58. > :16:01.who has been killed and that is proceeding. But what we have so far

:16:02. > :16:04.our young people who were at the concert but also parents who were

:16:05. > :16:09.waiting in the four yay for their children to come out. We all know

:16:10. > :16:12.what that is out, those of us who are parents, you go, you get as

:16:13. > :16:16.close to the venue as you can hoping you can catch a imp libs of your

:16:17. > :16:19.children as they come out, and that is when the bomb went off. Goodness

:16:20. > :16:23.knows what must have gone through the minds of the children coming

:16:24. > :16:28.out, some of them certainly lost their parents. Some were mothers,

:16:29. > :16:31.one case I have read about today was to mothers are standing together who

:16:32. > :16:35.were going to pick up their two daughters who went to the concert

:16:36. > :16:39.together. It is heartbreaking, but it always is with these attacks.

:16:40. > :16:43.There are always stories that touch you. In response to the attack the

:16:44. > :16:46.terror threat across Britain has been raised from severe to critical,

:16:47. > :16:49.it means is further attack may be imminent and troops have been

:16:50. > :16:56.deployed to key locations across the country. Joining me is a senior

:16:57. > :16:59.lecturer at the University of Salford, specialising in

:17:00. > :17:05.psychotherapy and counselling. We were just talking about some of

:17:06. > :17:08.those heart-rending stories. These flowers, and all these people that

:17:09. > :17:13.are here tonight, for those who have lost people, does this make a

:17:14. > :17:16.difference? I'm sure it must be an incredible comfort to know that

:17:17. > :17:20.hundreds of thousands of people are supporting them and entire

:17:21. > :17:24.communities are behind them. The thing we know that makes the most

:17:25. > :17:29.important difference to people who have experienced trauma is social

:17:30. > :17:32.support, which comes from family, friends, colleagues, peers,

:17:33. > :17:36.classmates, but also from the wider community. So this must make them

:17:37. > :17:40.feel very cared for. How does it change the psychology of the city? I

:17:41. > :17:44.am from the north, some of my northern friends said we used to

:17:45. > :17:47.think that all terror attacks were focused on London, and they are

:17:48. > :17:51.nervous about the tube in London, but now they realise it can happen

:17:52. > :17:58.here in the most ordinary place. I am not so sure about this, because

:17:59. > :18:02.Manchester was bombed back in 1999. And a lot of people in Manchester

:18:03. > :18:05.remember that. What has happened in the last few days has really

:18:06. > :18:08.reminded them of that and brought a lot of those memories back. Think a

:18:09. > :18:12.lot of people in Manchester had a sense for quite some time that we

:18:13. > :18:18.were a potential target, and now this brings it very much alive. I

:18:19. > :18:21.think it is possibly going to make it a bit nervous and apprehensive

:18:22. > :18:26.for some time to come. Thank you very much. They will be very assured

:18:27. > :18:30.a little bit by the police presence in the city, it is very noticeable.

:18:31. > :18:32.We haven't seen any soldiers but there are plenty of armed police.

:18:33. > :18:35.Well, Christian, here in New York - security is always at the forefront

:18:36. > :18:38.Today I spoke with Richard Clarke, who served in multiple

:18:39. > :18:40.administrations as a White House counter-terrorism official to get

:18:41. > :18:52.Terrorists look at attacks and learn from them. Intelligence services

:18:53. > :18:58.also learn from them. When you look at what happened in Manchester, what

:18:59. > :19:03.strikes you? It shows us that you can have really good security around

:19:04. > :19:08.a venue and in a venue, but there is always that area right in front of

:19:09. > :19:12.the venue where people pile up. Whether it is the counters at the

:19:13. > :19:16.airport before you go into the security zone, or the area outside

:19:17. > :19:22.the concert hall when people are pouring out of the concert Hall. You

:19:23. > :19:26.can't secure everything. You can't secure everything, but that is sort

:19:27. > :19:30.of the option we are looking at, isn't it? If we want to make people

:19:31. > :19:35.save they are will have to have increased security in public venues.

:19:36. > :19:40.They will have to have that, but they will also have to get used to

:19:41. > :19:44.greater eloquent eczema railings. Here the goal is to catch the

:19:45. > :19:48.perpetrators before they put the bomb together. Before they moved to

:19:49. > :19:53.the venue. When the bomb is on the way to the venue it is already too

:19:54. > :19:59.late. Is Isis hard it to combat them Al-Qaeda was. Archive was

:20:00. > :20:02.centralised. Isis shows a way of being decentralised. It is very

:20:03. > :20:06.difficult to get these people who are self activated, who turned from

:20:07. > :20:13.being just radicalised one minute to being martyrs the next. There are

:20:14. > :20:17.reports that this individual travelled, he was of Libyan descent,

:20:18. > :20:21.travelled to Libya and perhaps also Syria. Would that raise a red flag

:20:22. > :20:25.for you? Certainly the fact that he had gone to Libya and Syria would

:20:26. > :20:29.have put him on a watchlist. That list does not mean what people think

:20:30. > :20:32.it does. It does not mean there are Scotland Yard guys following him

:20:33. > :20:39.around all the time it means he is on an electronic watch list. To

:20:40. > :20:44.actually follow someone 24 hours a day takes over 20 people. You can't

:20:45. > :20:49.do that when you have ten or 20,000 people on a watch list. So

:20:50. > :20:53.realistically, security services in Europe can never track the number of

:20:54. > :20:57.people who are potential threats. Security services can never track

:20:58. > :21:02.everybody and their watchlist. They can hope that they will find signals

:21:03. > :21:07.in electronic media, but they can't possibly know everybody at what they

:21:08. > :21:10.are doing. They are just on a watch list, it does not mean they are

:21:11. > :21:13.being watched. British officials have made it clear they are not

:21:14. > :21:17.happy that some intelligence that was given and shared with American

:21:18. > :21:24.counterparts was leaked to US media. How damaging is that kind of

:21:25. > :21:27.indiscretion? In this case it was not terribly damaging. American

:21:28. > :21:31.officials announced the name of the perpetrator of the Manchester

:21:32. > :21:34.bombing before British officials. That is embarrassing, it is a

:21:35. > :21:39.slip-up, it should not have happened, but it has no real effect.

:21:40. > :21:46.Donald Trump said repeatedly they would drive the terrorist out. Can

:21:47. > :21:50.it be done? Driving them out implies using intelligence, military police

:21:51. > :21:56.to them. That's fine, but you will do that for ever unless you get to

:21:57. > :22:01.the root cause. Which are in some cases socioeconomic, ostracise age

:22:02. > :22:05.and, in some cases the ideology and you have to counter that with a buy

:22:06. > :22:13.better ideology. That will take years! Yes. We have to live with

:22:14. > :22:16.this. After 9/11 President Bush said this will take a generation. And I

:22:17. > :22:20.said no, sir, this will take several.

:22:21. > :22:24.We will talk more about Manchester and the resignation but let's look

:22:25. > :22:25.at the other news today. The Pope wants Donald Trump not

:22:26. > :22:28.to pull America out of the Paris As a not perhaps so subtle gift,

:22:29. > :22:32.the pontiff gave the President a parting gift of his 2015

:22:33. > :22:34.encyclical letter on the We don't know whether Mr Trump

:22:35. > :22:41.will be swayed by Francis' argument but he did leave the meeting

:22:42. > :22:44.at the Vatican saying Before they went in for their 30

:22:45. > :22:49.minute private chat they posed The President at least looks

:22:50. > :23:04.very happy to be there. I am joined by a congressman. He

:23:05. > :23:07.served as America's ambassador to the Vatican during the Bush

:23:08. > :23:11.administration. Do you think there is much the Pope and President Trump

:23:12. > :23:16.can agree about? Yes. There is a whole lot they can agree about

:23:17. > :23:20.starting with the natural alignment of the United States and the holy

:23:21. > :23:24.see as being the two entities in the world that are squarely founded on

:23:25. > :23:28.religious freedom and the natural rights of man. We weather people

:23:29. > :23:36.that put in place the Government experiment that John Locke wrote

:23:37. > :23:39.about. Right, but... You will remember, during the cause of the

:23:40. > :23:45.campaign just how much these two disagreed, particularly on the issue

:23:46. > :23:48.of the Mexican wall. When it comes to migration, climate change,

:23:49. > :23:51.there's not a lot of in common. I think there may be some

:23:52. > :23:56.disagreements about climate change but there are disagreements on all

:23:57. > :24:00.sides of the issue. Disagreement is actually among scientists as to how

:24:01. > :24:06.reliable the models are that were contained in the international

:24:07. > :24:09.climate change group 2040 report. The essence of diplomacy is not to

:24:10. > :24:13.let your disagreements over come the opportunities to pursue common

:24:14. > :24:17.objectives where you are aligned, and we have many of those, the fight

:24:18. > :24:21.against Islamic terrorism, the effort to protect Christians in the

:24:22. > :24:27.Middle East, to end trafficking of human beings, these are elements

:24:28. > :24:29.where there is an enduring partnership and we can work

:24:30. > :24:32.together. Would you'll I could President to listen to the Pope and

:24:33. > :24:38.keep America in the Paris climate change accord? I would not want to

:24:39. > :24:48.give the president advice on what he should do. I think there are so

:24:49. > :24:52.many... You are a wise man. There are certainly debates on both sides.

:24:53. > :24:56.Thank you for joining me. I'm sorry, we have to leave it there for the

:24:57. > :24:58.moment. It was very interesting watching the photographs, they

:24:59. > :25:02.looked a little forced I thought going into the meeting. They looked

:25:03. > :25:06.much happier coming out. My suspicion is that even the president

:25:07. > :25:13.will have gone into the Vatican and been just a little overawed. What do

:25:14. > :25:17.you think? I suspect so for stop you know I was a former Rome

:25:18. > :25:21.correspondence so I used to report on these meetings are not. There are

:25:22. > :25:26.these little codes from the Vatican that tell you where you are in the

:25:27. > :25:29.pecking order. I remember in 2007 Tony Blair came to Rome for his last

:25:30. > :25:33.visit with the Pope and he was expecting to be given the red carpet

:25:34. > :25:38.treatment. If fact he was given short shrift because the Pope, Pope

:25:39. > :25:42.Benedict, did not agree with Labour's attitude to game our edge,

:25:43. > :25:48.stem cell research, etc. He was rushed round the library and then

:25:49. > :25:51.had a very brisk conversation at the end. I experienced some of that

:25:52. > :25:59.because I went in to meet the Pope after that and he said,, the BBC!

:26:00. > :26:04.And I thought oh no... But actually he listens to the BBC in the Second

:26:05. > :26:08.World War so we got on quite well. You are