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:00:15. > :00:17.Manchester police say they have made significant arrests

:00:18. > :00:21.It comes as a minute's silence is held across the UK

:00:22. > :00:27.There have been more raids as police hunt the network that

:00:28. > :00:33.The arrests that we have made are significant and initial searches

:00:34. > :00:36.of premises have revealed items that we believe are very important

:00:37. > :00:46.Leaks of the investigation to US media are causing a serious row

:00:47. > :00:54.Manchester police are no longer sharing information with America.

:00:55. > :00:58.As the last of the victims are identified, the Queen visits

:00:59. > :01:02.Manchester's Children's Hospital to meet some of the injured.

:01:03. > :01:09.The attack in Manchester preoccupies world leaders

:01:10. > :01:14.President Trump stands with his Nato colleagues in calling for a unified

:01:15. > :01:18.But then takes them to task over defence spending.

:01:19. > :01:28.The Republican candidate is charged with assaulting a reporter just

:01:29. > :01:36.Hello, I am Christian Fraser, in London.

:01:37. > :01:40.We're learning a bit more about Salman Abedi's movements

:01:41. > :01:48.Last week we know he travelled through Dusseldorf Airport,

:01:49. > :01:50.he was in transit, but where was he coming from and who

:01:51. > :01:58.Authorities are trying to answer those questions.

:01:59. > :02:01.There is a lot of sensitive material that still needs

:02:02. > :02:09.The Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police,

:02:10. > :02:11.Ian Hopkins, said that leaks in the United States

:02:12. > :02:13.have caused distress to the families of the victims.

:02:14. > :02:16.But he also said progress is being made in the investigation.

:02:17. > :02:21.The arrests have taken place in Manchester,

:02:22. > :02:24.Wigan and Nuneaton, and we are now carrying

:02:25. > :02:25.out associated searches in relation to those arrests

:02:26. > :02:31.These have been an intense three days for the officers and staff

:02:32. > :02:33.of Greater Manchester Police along with the national counter-terrorist

:02:34. > :02:35.policing network and UK intelligence services.

:02:36. > :02:37.I want to reassure people that the arrests we have made

:02:38. > :02:40.are significant and initial searches of premises have revealed items

:02:41. > :02:53.that we believe are very important to the investigation.

:02:54. > :02:55.Joining us from Manchester is Catriona Renton, outside

:02:56. > :03:10.Significant developments today. A number of bomb scares around the

:03:11. > :03:16.city? The first hours got off to a slow start. Significant progress in

:03:17. > :03:19.the last 24-hours. The Chief Constable, Ian Hopkins, spoke to

:03:20. > :03:24.reporters earlier today. He was able to say that eight people, eight men,

:03:25. > :03:28.are in custody. They were arrested in Manchester, Wigan and Nuneaton in

:03:29. > :03:34.the north of England. These, he said, were significant arrests. A

:03:35. > :03:37.woman was arrested, but released without charge. Ongoing at the

:03:38. > :03:43.moment searches ever associated properties. He said initial searches

:03:44. > :03:48.of premises had revealed items they believe to be important to the

:03:49. > :03:51.investigation. Now, as we speak, three properties, where three of

:03:52. > :03:55.those men were arrested, are currently being searched. We

:03:56. > :04:00.understand that the bomb disposal squad are at a property in

:04:01. > :04:04.Manchester helping the police there. In Wigan, a street has been

:04:05. > :04:08.evacuated. That was another location where somebody was arrested. We also

:04:09. > :04:12.understand that that another property in Manchester is currently

:04:13. > :04:15.being searched. A very fast moving investigation with new leads and

:04:16. > :04:19.links coming in all the time. The police have said to expect these

:04:20. > :04:23.searches to take several days. They've asked the public to bear

:04:24. > :04:25.with them on this because these searches are very important. What

:04:26. > :04:30.are they looking for? They are looking for components that would

:04:31. > :04:34.have been used to make a bomb or chemicals, elements that would help

:04:35. > :04:38.them discover what else is out there. That is the idea that is

:04:39. > :04:43.coming forward this evening. While there is an enormous sense of

:04:44. > :04:48.progress, there is also a much larger sense of doubt around the

:04:49. > :04:53.bigger picture. What else is out there? That is what police are

:04:54. > :04:58.trying to find out now. Who created the bomb that Salman Abedi carried

:04:59. > :05:02.and who else is out there may have components? Are there other bombs

:05:03. > :05:05.there. They need to find that. There is no sign at the moment that the

:05:06. > :05:07.threat level will be lowered any time soon. A long way to go with

:05:08. > :05:16.this investigation. Thank you very much for joining us.

:05:17. > :05:20.It seems to be clear they are anxious to find the rest of this

:05:21. > :05:26.network. I man, from previous experiences, I'm thinking of Paris,

:05:27. > :05:30.which you covered, the Bataclan attacks. They don't know whether

:05:31. > :05:32.another attack is imminent. There is a race against time for

:05:33. > :05:36.investigators now? You are always on the clock if you don't know fully

:05:37. > :05:38.what you are dealing with. You are right, it does have echoes of what

:05:39. > :05:44.happened after the back clan because, remember, there was a

:05:45. > :05:46.suicide vest dumped in a bin in northern Paris which told them there

:05:47. > :05:54.was a suicide bomber who hadn't gone through with it. There was a support

:05:55. > :05:58.network for him as well. It was a tip off from the family member who

:05:59. > :06:04.was the recruiter for that cell that led them to that flat. When they

:06:05. > :06:09.went in there, you will remember they almost blew up the apartment

:06:10. > :06:16.getting at him, they killed him inside the apart. There was a blot

:06:17. > :06:22.plot to hit the business district in Paris which they disrupted. They

:06:23. > :06:28.were lucky. They went through that sea of information. It was that tip

:06:29. > :06:30.off that helped. They will hope for something similar in that Manchester

:06:31. > :06:33.investigation. The British authorities will be speaking to

:06:34. > :06:37.French authorities to learn what happened after that attack, too.

:06:38. > :06:59.Undoubtedly to both the French and German authorities, I would think.

:07:00. > :07:05.Britain held a minute's silence today to remember

:07:06. > :07:09.All 22 people who died have now been identified.

:07:10. > :07:12.The Queen visited some of them today.

:07:13. > :07:13.So you'd come specially for the concert, had you?

:07:14. > :07:22.She sounds very good, very good singer.

:07:23. > :07:25.That is 14-year-old Evie Mills, who travelled to the Arian Grande

:07:26. > :07:27.concert, a birthday present she had been looking forward to.

:07:28. > :07:28.Police investigating the attack say they have stopped sharing

:07:29. > :07:31.information with American officials after intelligence was

:07:32. > :07:35.The Prime Minister, Theresa May, has raised the issue

:07:36. > :07:40.with President Trump at the Nato meeting in Brussels.

:07:41. > :07:42.Mr Trump said that the leaks were "deeply troubling" adding...

:07:43. > :07:44."I am asking the department of Justice and other relevant

:07:45. > :07:47.agencies to launch a complete review of this matter.

:07:48. > :07:50.There is no relationship we cherish more than the Special Relationship

:07:51. > :07:54.between the United States and the United Kingdom."

:07:55. > :08:04.We have a Special Relationship with the USA.

:08:05. > :08:06.It is our deepest defence and security partnership that we have.

:08:07. > :08:09.Of course that partnership is built on trust and part of that trust

:08:10. > :08:12.is knowing that intelligence can be shared confidently, and I will be

:08:13. > :08:14.making clear to President Trump today that intelligence

:08:15. > :08:16.that is shared between law enforcement agencies

:08:17. > :08:28.Joining us to discuss this issue is Pete Hoekstra,

:08:29. > :08:30.a Trump campaign advisor and former Chairman of the House

:08:31. > :08:40.How unusual is this kind of a rift between British and American

:08:41. > :08:45.Intelligence Services, Congressman? I think it's kind of unusual. The

:08:46. > :08:49.United States, the Brits, the Australians, New Zealanders,

:08:50. > :08:53.Canadians we have a relationship that means these are our closest

:08:54. > :08:57.allies. Our closest partners in sharing information. Basically,

:08:58. > :09:01.there's almost total transparency between all of our intelligence

:09:02. > :09:08.agencies to work together and co-ordinate their activities.

:09:09. > :09:10.American officials like to refer to the British relationship as the

:09:11. > :09:15.special relationship. The Brits do it all the time too and sometimes it

:09:16. > :09:18.goes through wobbles. It's a relationship that American officials

:09:19. > :09:22.prize. How embarrassing is this to the United States at the moment that

:09:23. > :09:27.these leaks are happening in this particular incident, where so much

:09:28. > :09:31.pain has been caused in Manchester? I think it's very embarrassing. It's

:09:32. > :09:34.a place that the United States of America doesn't want to be. It's a

:09:35. > :09:39.very, very special relationship. More importantly, at thes's an

:09:40. > :10:15.essential relationship if we're going to be successful in, you

:10:16. > :10:17.know,ifyinging radical Islam or other threats that we will face in

:10:18. > :10:18.the future, we need this kind of co-operation. As you said earlier in

:10:19. > :10:19.your news report, you know, we need to be co-ordinating with the French,

:10:20. > :10:21.we need to be co-ordinating with the Germans and we need to figure out

:10:22. > :10:22.where this terrorist was, whether it was Libya, on the continent, to put

:10:23. > :10:23.the pieces together to find what may be a network cell. It's absolutely

:10:24. > :10:24.essential that we co-ordinate and work together if we're going to be

:10:25. > :10:25.safe. Congressman. I'ming back to the Snowdon leak and they were

:10:26. > :10:27.trying to investigate where it came from, there were 800,000 people who

:10:28. > :10:30.had access to that information. So when Donald Trump says, "we'll

:10:31. > :10:36.investigate and prosecute if we can", it's not going to be so

:10:37. > :10:41.straight-forward, is it? I'm sure that the Brits have found that other

:10:42. > :10:44.people who work in the intelligence area, we found it here in the United

:10:45. > :10:48.States, it's very difficult to identify where the leaks are coming

:10:49. > :10:53.from and what the actual motivation may be for any of these leaks. That

:10:54. > :10:59.doesn't mean that we shouldn't try. In this case, there's a limited

:11:00. > :11:03.number of people who may have had information to the data that the

:11:04. > :11:08.Brits believe is very, very sensitive. We've had some other

:11:09. > :11:12.leaks here recently again, a small universe of people. I think, if you

:11:13. > :11:16.put a concerted effort, if you demonstrate that there is a

:11:17. > :11:20.concerted effort that when there is a leak we will do everything we can

:11:21. > :11:24.to find you and to hold you accountable to the law, that's what

:11:25. > :11:28.I would expect our intelligence and Department of Justice to do. I think

:11:29. > :11:39.that's what our partners would expect that we would do, to at least

:11:40. > :11:49.demonstrate an effort to stop this. Briefly, you served on the Trump

:11:50. > :12:22.campaign, do you think the President bears any responsibility for this in

:12:23. > :12:27.this context. He has said some things about the US Intelligence

:12:28. > :12:32.Services which have clearly not endeared them to those officials and

:12:33. > :12:34.agents. Is that part of the break down in trust that we're seeing in

:12:35. > :12:35.the Intelligence Services? That may lead to a break down between the

:12:36. > :12:36.President and the intelligence community, but, you know, these

:12:37. > :12:37.types of leaks break down the effectiveness of the intelligence

:12:38. > :12:38.community and they break down the relationship the trust that we have

:12:39. > :12:39.between the United States and the Brits. There is absolutely no excuse

:12:40. > :12:40.for anybody in the intelligence community to be leaking this

:12:41. > :12:41.information to do damage to the President because they may damage

:12:42. > :12:42.the President but they are damning the national security of the United

:12:43. > :12:44.States and our allies. There is absolutely no excuse for this type

:12:45. > :12:45.of behaviour. Thank you very much for your thoughts. Donald Trump and

:12:46. > :12:48.Theresa May talking today of the special relationship. Is this a

:12:49. > :13:00.really big problem for them? Look, I think everybody on both sides of the

:13:01. > :13:26.Atlantic. I have spoken to Senators here and British officials in the

:13:27. > :13:30.last 24-hours recognise this relationship is very important be,

:13:31. > :13:33.but they will will get over this. I have never in my time in the United

:13:34. > :13:34.States, over the last 20 years, I can't remember an occasion with

:13:35. > :13:35.where a British service like the Manchester Police who said, we are

:13:36. > :13:36.not serving intelligence with America any more. That's serious.

:13:37. > :13:40.It's embarrassing to US owe fishals and US Intelligence Services. They

:13:41. > :13:42.will get over it. It doesn't sit well with with the American

:13:43. > :13:43.intelligence to like to pride themselves of having a good

:13:44. > :13:44.relationship with the United Kingdom. Leaking of information is

:13:45. > :13:50.turning into a trend in the United States.

:13:51. > :13:56.A transcript has appeared of a telephone call

:13:57. > :13:57.between Donald Trump and the Philippine President,

:13:58. > :13:59.Rodrigo Duterte ,which took place in late April.

:14:00. > :14:01.The transcript revealed that Mr Trump disclosed that the US

:14:02. > :14:02.military had moved two nuclear submarines near to North Korea -

:14:03. > :14:05.something Pentagon officials have said should not have been discussed.

:14:06. > :14:07.But the transcript was clearly confidential -

:14:08. > :14:12.attached to it was a cover sheet saying just that.

:14:13. > :14:18.It came this leak, not from the United States this time, from the

:14:19. > :14:29.Philippines. The question will be - why was Mr Trump giving this

:14:30. > :14:33.information? Should not have been discussed. Submarine, the very point

:14:34. > :14:38.of it. Nuclear submarine. Even worse. OK.

:14:39. > :14:40.Donald Trump was keen to use the Nato meeting to raise

:14:41. > :14:42.the issue of defence funding among member countries.

:14:43. > :14:45.But in the light of the Manchester attack, much of the discussion has

:14:46. > :14:49.Nato has agreed to take a bigger role in the fight

:14:50. > :14:56.Here was President Trump speaking out on Monday's attack.

:14:57. > :14:59.It was a barbaric and vicious attack upon our civilisation.

:15:00. > :15:01.All people who cherish life must unite in finding,

:15:02. > :15:02.exposing and removing these killers and extremists.

:15:03. > :15:31.Joining us now from Washington is Former US Ambassador

:15:32. > :15:44.Nato members and the President seem to agree. How much can Nato be doing

:15:45. > :15:51.in the fight against Islamic terrorism and terrorism in general?

:15:52. > :15:53.There is a couple of ways to look at it what was agreed and decided

:15:54. > :15:54.today. Nato an organisation will be part of the coalition. That means

:15:55. > :15:57.that certain Nato assets such as surveillance aircraft, air to ground

:15:58. > :16:02.surveillance, communications, command-and-control, they could be

:16:03. > :16:05.made available to the coalition. It also provides a bit of additional

:16:06. > :16:12.cover for individual allies to contribute. What more Nato could do

:16:13. > :16:16.is to look at sharing intelligence internally, creating a fusion cell

:16:17. > :16:19.and looking more at terrorist activities inside Nato areas itself.

:16:20. > :16:25.That is something Nato has not yet done, but could do more of. That is

:16:26. > :16:30.an area in which the leaders seem to agree, of course, an area which

:16:31. > :16:33.there is some disagreement over is Donald Trump's relationship with

:16:34. > :16:37.Nato more broadly. I understand there is some disquiet at the

:16:38. > :16:41.Brussels meeting that the President didn't come out and offer more

:16:42. > :16:48.fulsome support of Nato. He didn't come out and say it was be o sow

:16:49. > :16:53.Lee. He didn't support the alliance. Would it have been helpful if he did

:16:54. > :16:56.so. People are watching the words too carefully. Since he became

:16:57. > :17:00.President a change in the language and a change in the policies from

:17:01. > :17:10.what had been discussed during the campaign. We had Vice-President

:17:11. > :17:14.Pence at the Munich security conference and meetings with Rex

:17:15. > :17:17.Tillerson, the Secretary General calling Trump a few times and

:17:18. > :17:21.visiting him at the White House. You had strong support for Nato. A push

:17:22. > :17:25.on Nato defence spending. Wouldn't it have been use to have have heard

:17:26. > :17:33.that directly from the President? Well, I'm not sure that they didn't

:17:34. > :17:37.hear that directly. I think people are parting words too much. What I

:17:38. > :17:42.think the President is trying to do though is to keep the focus on

:17:43. > :17:48.European contributions and commit am to Nato. The US is under a

:17:49. > :17:54.microscope here in the words he uses. We are actually doing the most

:17:55. > :17:59.of the Nato efforts and the European allies are not. He is trying to keep

:18:00. > :18:04.the focus on them. It's no secret that Nato leaders have been nervous

:18:05. > :18:06.about Mr Trump's presidency. When he talks about spending he doesn't pull

:18:07. > :18:12.his punches. But take a look at the reaction

:18:13. > :18:16.of some of the European leaders If all Nato members had spent

:18:17. > :18:20.just 2% of their GDP on defence last year,

:18:21. > :18:22.we would have had another $119 billion for our collective

:18:23. > :19:41.defence and for the financing They don't like be lectured. That is

:19:42. > :19:42.clear from that body language I would say they feel sheepish. They

:19:43. > :19:44.have all agreed to these multiple times. They know they are not doing

:19:45. > :19:45.it yet. There we are. I think you are right. Good to talk to you.

:19:46. > :19:52.Thank you very much for coming on the programme.

:19:53. > :19:55.That is Dusko Markovic, the Prime Minister of Montenegro,

:19:56. > :20:00.Mr Trump doesn't like being upstaged - and especially not by the newest

:20:01. > :20:03.Perhaps he should be in the front row. I'm glad you weren't studying

:20:04. > :20:09.your body language during the First Lady and the President during this

:20:10. > :20:14.trip. This goes down well with Nato members they want somebody like the

:20:15. > :20:17.American President to come in and, I've heard it, saying you have to up

:20:18. > :20:19.your defence spending. I think this doesn't go down quite so badly as we

:20:20. > :20:27.might think. We now know who died

:20:28. > :20:29.in the Manchester attack. There are 10 teenagers

:20:30. > :20:31.and children among those who were killed, the youngest

:20:32. > :20:33.was just eight-years-old. The memorials are continuing to grow

:20:34. > :20:35.and also emerging are some of the heart-rending stories

:20:36. > :20:48.of the causalities. They were loved and they are

:20:49. > :21:01.mourned. Taken by the bomb, their names keep coming. Elidih MacLeod.

:21:02. > :21:05.She was full of nine. 19-year-old courty Boyle described as an amazing

:21:06. > :21:09.rock. She went to the concert with her step dad, Philip Tron. He too

:21:10. > :21:18.lost his life. Two people gone from one family. Wendy from Leeds. A mum

:21:19. > :21:23.and school helper. Said to have touched the lives of so many. In her

:21:24. > :21:26.home city today friends and neighbours observed the minute's

:21:27. > :21:31.silence, joined by Wendy's relatives. Devastated. She knew a

:21:32. > :21:45.lot of people shechl had a lot of friends, family. I think, even

:21:46. > :21:46.people who just knew of her, it's just such a tragedy. It's just

:21:47. > :21:48.awful. Also named today, Chloe Rutherford and Liam Curry,

:21:49. > :21:53.girlfriend and boyfriend, known to be inseparate. They died together.

:21:54. > :22:00.Elaine, a police officer who loved music and was on a night out

:22:01. > :22:04.off-duty. Flowers have been laid for Elaine who started out as a

:22:05. > :22:10.Volunteer Special Constable and rose up to work for the Organised Crime

:22:11. > :22:12.Unit. She spent 20 years working for Cheshire Police.

:22:13. > :22:17.Her colleagues and friends came in to work to learn that they'd lost

:22:18. > :22:21.one of their own. Cheshire's Chief Constable opened a book of

:22:22. > :22:25.condolence for the officer. Elaine, from all I've heard, all the best

:22:26. > :22:29.traditions about the police service. Somebody who cared about community

:22:30. > :22:33.and cared about victims. She left a lasting impression on those who met

:22:34. > :22:37.her, both professionally and in victims of crime she helped. The

:22:38. > :22:43.families of those killed can hardly take it all in. Charlotte Campbell

:22:44. > :22:46.shared her grief at a vigil to mark the loss of her teenage daughter,

:22:47. > :22:50.Olivia. This is such a hard time for us. I had to come. I didn't know

:22:51. > :22:55.what to do. I don't know where to be. I don't know what to do. I just

:22:56. > :23:00.knew, something told me I had to come here. The injured, so many

:23:01. > :23:07.injured, have so much to come to terms with, too. 15-year-old Laura

:23:08. > :23:12.Anderson has had surgery to remove shrapnel from her leg and shoulder.

:23:13. > :23:17.My ears went muffled. Everyone was rushing around me. I was screaming.

:23:18. > :23:22.I felt pain in my legs then, I think. 22 killed, more than 100

:23:23. > :23:28.injured. We know their names and their Harrowing stories, but we will

:23:29. > :23:36.never understand their terrible, unfathomable loss. Judith Moritz,

:23:37. > :23:40.BBC News. Manchester still coming to terms with the most terrible

:23:41. > :23:44.terrorist attack it had to face. A thoughtful report has come out in

:23:45. > :23:47.the last couple of days in the States about how the press should

:23:48. > :23:51.cover this kind of attack. It makes the point that actually replaying

:23:52. > :23:56.endlessly the loops of the attacks itself is in some ways doing exactly

:23:57. > :24:02.what these attackers want us to do. Glorifying their actions in a

:24:03. > :24:05.horribly, perverted way. What this report suggests is that one of the

:24:06. > :24:11.most useful things we can do is talk about the victims and who they were

:24:12. > :24:15.as people and the lives they led and their families. It suggests we

:24:16. > :24:18.should talk about the way that communities come together after

:24:19. > :24:22.attacks like this. And the acts of kindness that we see and the acts of

:24:23. > :24:26.heroism that sometimes follow these when people are acting in desperate

:24:27. > :24:32.circumstances. You have come from Manchester. It sounds trite to say

:24:33. > :24:38.that cities pull together and we see the best of humanity. The stories

:24:39. > :24:42.out of Manchester, I'm sure you heard them, acts of heroism and a

:24:43. > :24:46.city pulling together? So many acts of heroism. The eternal dilemma for

:24:47. > :24:49.the media how much you focus on the bombing. People want to know and

:24:50. > :24:53.understand why someone would do that. Inevitably, because of that,

:24:54. > :24:58.you focus on Salman Abedi and where he has come from and who he is with.

:24:59. > :25:03.Really, it should be, it must be the victims that are forefront in our

:25:04. > :25:08.minds. That square St Ann's Square where I was standing last night.

:25:09. > :25:11.Look at that. The flowers now, that has grown that sea of flowers since

:25:12. > :25:14.last night. People have come and sung songs there and held hands

:25:15. > :25:18.there. They have been lost with their thoughts. It really shows how

:25:19. > :25:22.the community has come together. We spoke to someone last night on the

:25:23. > :25:30.programme who said, "it does help the families when communities come

:25:31. > :25:35.together like that. ." The Great City Games start tomorrow. Help each

:25:36. > :25:38.other. They will be around the corner. The greatest athletes in the

:25:39. > :25:39.WorldComing to Manchester. People will be out celebrating it. Well

:25:40. > :25:43.they should. You're watching 100

:25:44. > :25:45.Days Plus from BBC News. Still to come - as the investigation

:25:46. > :25:48.into the Manchester attack deepens, we'll be speaking to a former FBI

:25:49. > :25:53.agent who knows all about the fight And the race for a vacant

:25:54. > :26:01.Congressional seat that took That's still to come on 100

:26:02. > :26:03.Days Plus, from BBC News.