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:00:00. > :00:00.that. Also his contacts with Russian officials. Earlier today, I spoke to

:00:00. > :00:00.a Democratic congressmen, a member of the house intelligence committee,

:00:00. > :00:08.I asked him what he hopes to hear from Mr Sessions.

:00:09. > :00:12.What do you want to hear from Jeff Sessions when he testifies in the

:00:13. > :00:15.Senate? I think we're going to have a chance

:00:16. > :00:18.to hear from Jeff Sessions. Most importantly about whether or not the

:00:19. > :00:24.reserve third meeting with the Russian ambassador in Washington,

:00:25. > :00:28.that is going to be very important. Also, get an update about his

:00:29. > :00:34.working relationship with the White House. There had been some

:00:35. > :00:38.discussion about the possibility that he offered his resignation,

:00:39. > :00:42.which is very troubling. We don't understand why that would be,

:00:43. > :00:46.whether it was just friction between he and the president, or some more

:00:47. > :00:52.substantive issue that committee should know about. So there should

:00:53. > :00:55.be very important issues today. You sit on the house intelligence

:00:56. > :00:59.committee, and you have just been given extra funding for the Russian

:01:00. > :01:01.investigation. What I do looking at? You're looking at the idea of

:01:02. > :01:05.whether there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians,

:01:06. > :01:11.or obstruction of justice, or are you looking at the possibility of

:01:12. > :01:13.perjury? Certainly, the special Council is

:01:14. > :01:19.the one we will be most concerned with any crimes that were committed,

:01:20. > :01:22.obstruction of justice, perjury. For the intelligence committee, we want

:01:23. > :01:26.to make sure of two things. Number one, that we take all measures to

:01:27. > :01:29.prevent any kind of foreign interference with American elections

:01:30. > :01:35.in the future, whether it is 2018 or the next essential election. And we

:01:36. > :01:39.have to do that to dissuade not only the Russians but any other foreign

:01:40. > :01:43.government or non-state actor who has the cyber capabilities to mess

:01:44. > :01:48.with America's elections will stop we need to dissuade them from doing

:01:49. > :01:52.that. Every American is owed the answer to this question, whether

:01:53. > :01:56.part of what happened was an inside job, whether any American or

:01:57. > :02:01.Americans, spires are coordinated or colluded with the Russians who

:02:02. > :02:05.interfered with our 2016 elections. The committee will try to get to the

:02:06. > :02:09.bottom of that. I am sure you have heard this from

:02:10. > :02:12.Republican voters in your district, there is some sense that the

:02:13. > :02:15.Democrats are out to make the Trump residency fail whatever it takes.

:02:16. > :02:19.Listening to what you want to hear from Jeff Sessions, he had another

:02:20. > :02:21.meeting, maybe with a Russian ambassador at the Mayflower hotel.

:02:22. > :02:26.It doesn't sounds terribly nefarious. You can understand why

:02:27. > :02:30.there are Trump supporters who are very critical of Democrats of the

:02:31. > :02:34.moment, who think they are pushing this all Russian investigation too

:02:35. > :02:38.far. I have heard that sentiment out

:02:39. > :02:42.there, and I think the president has a core group of supporters, about

:02:43. > :02:45.35% of the country, that have stuck by him through thick and thin and

:02:46. > :02:51.will continue to do so. But these are very legitimate questions. They

:02:52. > :02:53.need to be answered, regarding the Russian investigation, and whether

:02:54. > :02:58.any Trump associates, spires with the Russians to fiddle with our

:02:59. > :03:03.elections. Do you think Jeff Sessions colluded

:03:04. > :03:06.with the Russians? The question is whether Jeff

:03:07. > :03:11.Sessions was fully cooperative and honest with the Senate during the

:03:12. > :03:14.confirmation process, and that is why the issue of this meeting with

:03:15. > :03:30.the Russian ambassador is going to be discussed. Letters now get the

:03:31. > :03:35.reaction from a Republican. You have been a long supporter of President

:03:36. > :03:39.Trump, but the problem for him at the moment is this Russian

:03:40. > :03:42.investigation, the Jeff Sessions healing, this is not a for the

:03:43. > :03:49.administration, and they are not making it better for themselves, are

:03:50. > :03:53.they? Set part of the reason why the James Comey testimony was so

:03:54. > :03:58.significant, I just want to go back to Congressmen Joaquin Castro, the

:03:59. > :04:02.question that should have been asked, the biggest thing that the

:04:03. > :04:08.Democrats had going for them, this theory, this operating notion that

:04:09. > :04:13.the presidents colluded with the Russians was completely shattered.

:04:14. > :04:17.It was disproven under oath by the FBI director. Of course the clouds

:04:18. > :04:22.of these investigations will hang over the administration, but as long

:04:23. > :04:28.as people like Jeff Sessions testify under oath, but the problem that the

:04:29. > :04:33.Democrats face is that the narrative of obstruction of justice have been

:04:34. > :04:38.shattered. But the other side of this investigation is whether there

:04:39. > :04:41.was obstruction of justice, and it will be the special investigator who

:04:42. > :04:45.will ultimately take the decision whether that did indeed take place.

:04:46. > :04:53.Confusing the whole picture now is the idea from President Trump, or

:04:54. > :04:57.the suggestion that President Trump is considering firing the special

:04:58. > :05:04.investigator. I do not think this is true. This rumour came from a man

:05:05. > :05:09.who did not meet with the president, and simply said that he heard the

:05:10. > :05:16.president might be considering firing Robert Miller. This was not

:05:17. > :05:20.really confirmed by President Trump's attorney, who said he would

:05:21. > :05:25.not comment on whether or not the president would do that. This is

:05:26. > :05:30.spinning the wheels over nothing, and Sean Spicer made it very clear

:05:31. > :05:42.that Chris Roddy, the originator of this, had nothing to do with the

:05:43. > :05:48.White House. -- DUP. You should know that Chris Ruddy is not someone who

:05:49. > :05:53.has just made that up, he has been on this programme before. He did not

:05:54. > :06:00.meet with the president in the White House, and we heard this morning

:06:01. > :06:05.that the president was not considering it, and he would not

:06:06. > :06:09.consent to the firing of Robert Mueller. We just want to show our

:06:10. > :06:13.audience, here are the scenes from the Senate. This is where Jeff

:06:14. > :06:20.Sessions is going to come in. He is not there yet, the Senators will

:06:21. > :06:26.troop into those chairs as soon as the hearing begins. I want to ask

:06:27. > :06:29.about the firing of the FBI director, James,, because there is

:06:30. > :06:34.something else that the senators will be asking Jeff Sessions about.

:06:35. > :06:37.Particularly this idea that Jeff Sessions was asked by the president

:06:38. > :06:45.to leave the room on February 14 in the Oval Office, when James, you

:06:46. > :06:48.said President Trump asks him to let the Flynn investigation go. Would it

:06:49. > :06:51.not have been better for the Attorney General to be in on those

:06:52. > :06:59.meetings with the director of the FBI? Not necessarily, because the

:07:00. > :07:03.Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, had recused himself from the

:07:04. > :07:08.investigation into Russian collusion, so in that scenario, it

:07:09. > :07:14.would not be. But even James, eight, although he did not cite this and

:07:15. > :07:17.has written testimony, said that the president hoped the investigation

:07:18. > :07:21.would end, not that he directed him, and he did say that he did not feel

:07:22. > :07:25.directed by the White House. Jill, he has come to be grilled about how

:07:26. > :07:33.many meetings he had with the Russian ambassador. -- Joe. He has

:07:34. > :07:40.disclosed some of the meetings that he had had with the ambassador, in

:07:41. > :07:43.his capacity as a campaign official. What he has not disclosed as the

:07:44. > :07:49.meetings he had as a senator, and what I think James, was referring to

:07:50. > :07:52.in his testimony last week, a third meeting that took place at a cell,

:07:53. > :07:58.and that is something I think we need to hear today. It was a

:07:59. > :08:04.reception at the Mayflower hotel attended by many other diplomats,

:08:05. > :08:08.many other members of Congress and members of the Senate. What do the

:08:09. > :08:10.viewers out there think that the UK ambassador is doing right now in

:08:11. > :08:16.Washington, DC? His meeting members of Congress in both houses. This is

:08:17. > :08:22.something that happens in the order of business for the US

:08:23. > :08:26.representatives. I do not think there were any secret microchips

:08:27. > :08:37.past, no secret notes passed, this is not what we are talking about.

:08:38. > :08:42.That really does not call to mind the kind of secret meetings that I

:08:43. > :08:53.think the media is trying to portray. There, Joe, thank you.

:08:54. > :08:56.Thank you for joining us,. It is interesting, we've just heard from a

:08:57. > :09:00.Republican and from a Democrat, and the audience will have to make up

:09:01. > :09:05.their mind. And the prosecutors will have to get more of the details. But

:09:06. > :09:10.there is such a sub opinion on this one here in the United States, with

:09:11. > :09:15.Democrats thinking that something is going on, there was collusion or

:09:16. > :09:17.obstruction of justice, there was perjury, and Republicans equally

:09:18. > :09:28.convinced that the Democrats are just tried to make political hay out

:09:29. > :09:34.of this. Does it mean that every argument in Washington, every point

:09:35. > :09:40.put forward at the moment, is fiercely partisan? Yes, which is why

:09:41. > :09:45.Robert Mueller is so critical of this. He will sort through all of

:09:46. > :09:53.the evidence and come up with something more concrete, the special

:09:54. > :09:58.crosses -- prosecutor. What is so important about these sessions?

:09:59. > :10:04.Because of the questions that we discuss. Jeff Sessions has been

:10:05. > :10:11.close to Donald Trump throughout the campaign, taking a key spot in the

:10:12. > :10:19.Trump Administration as Attorney General. He oversees enforcement of

:10:20. > :10:23.laws, and including the FBI. It is up to Jeff Sessions how forthcoming

:10:24. > :10:29.he wants to be, he could claim that some of the stuff is covered by

:10:30. > :10:33.executive privilege and he will not reveal details of conversations with

:10:34. > :10:37.the president. But what I will really be looking for is during his

:10:38. > :10:43.testimony last week, James Comey said that he was in the Oval Office

:10:44. > :10:47.on February 14 with the president, and the president told everyone in

:10:48. > :10:51.the room to leave and James Comey to stay there. And one of the people

:10:52. > :10:57.who hung around in that room in the Chile was Jeff Sessions, and

:10:58. > :11:03.according to James Comey, the president told Jeff Sessions he had

:11:04. > :11:08.to go. He shrugged and left the, and NetMeeting when it was just James

:11:09. > :11:12.Comey and President Trump, that is when he said that President Trump

:11:13. > :11:14.told him to back off the investigation into Michael Flynn,

:11:15. > :11:19.the formal national security adviser. I want to here what Jeff

:11:20. > :11:25.Sessions said happened before and after that meeting, and if he

:11:26. > :11:29.corroborates James, a's account, that will give a little indication

:11:30. > :11:35.that maybe Donald Trump knew what he was doing was not such a good idea.

:11:36. > :11:38.But a loss of this will come down to interpretation. You can see a

:11:39. > :11:42.scenario where he would say, he came up to me and said don't leave me

:11:43. > :11:45.alone with the president again. And James Comey said there was this

:11:46. > :11:53.pause, and James Comey looked at him blankly. He might not think that he

:11:54. > :12:01.reacted that way that there was a problem, and it comes down to he he

:12:02. > :12:04.said. Absolutely, nobody knows what happened in that room between James

:12:05. > :12:07.Comey and Donald Trump, and it will be interesting to see what Jeff

:12:08. > :12:16.Sessions says today, but what he does not say will also be

:12:17. > :12:21.interesting. The Justice Department said that they did provide a memo to

:12:22. > :12:25.James Comey about how to interact with the president, the separation

:12:26. > :12:31.of the FBI and the White House. But we may not know exactly, Jeff

:12:32. > :12:36.Sessions may put this in a more friendly narrative for the president

:12:37. > :12:42.today. I have one theory about this, which is that the President, you

:12:43. > :12:45.will remember, has said that James Comey is a liar, effectively. If

:12:46. > :12:51.during the course of these hearings, we hear Jeff Sessions corroborate

:12:52. > :12:56.what James Comey has said, that would tend to give more credence and

:12:57. > :13:00.credibility to the fired FBI director, and I wonder if you think

:13:01. > :13:06.that the default is true and then puts Mr Trump in a slightly tricky

:13:07. > :13:09.position. He would have to say that James Comey was lying about these

:13:10. > :13:14.encounters when we hear Jeff Sessions saying that what he

:13:15. > :13:18.reported was true. We have to remember that Jeff Sessions will be

:13:19. > :13:23.under oath, so if he corroborates what James Comey has said, even the

:13:24. > :13:27.details of the meeting of the circumstances... Here is Jeff

:13:28. > :13:30.Sessions. I am just going to interrupt you because he has just

:13:31. > :13:36.walked into the room, the man of the moment. Jeff Sessions, a long-time

:13:37. > :13:40.associate of President Trump, formerly a US senator, and he got

:13:41. > :13:45.close to President Trump during the campaign. I remember talking to Jeff

:13:46. > :13:55.Sessions at one of the debates as he was trying to guide the presidential

:13:56. > :13:58.campaign. Here is Richard Burr, the senior Republican on the Senate

:13:59. > :14:04.intelligence committee. And here is Mark Warner, the Democrat with him.

:14:05. > :14:07.Donald Trump will be watching this quite closely because there has been

:14:08. > :14:17.speculation over the last few days that he is not particularly pleased

:14:18. > :14:20.with what Jeff Sessions has said. Anyway, Jeff Sessions is under a lot

:14:21. > :14:25.of pressure because he will know that the boss is tuning in. And if

:14:26. > :14:29.he is nervous about his job prospects, he will try to sue the

:14:30. > :14:33.right things during the course of this hearing. But as Anthony said,

:14:34. > :14:38.he is under oath, and after the James Comey hearing I asked both

:14:39. > :14:43.Republican and Democratic senators on Friday if they believed James,

:14:44. > :14:47.you're the president, they said that only one person was under oath,

:14:48. > :14:51.James Comey, and when you are under oath, you tend to tell the truth.

:14:52. > :14:57.The president will be expecting Jeff Sessions to stand up for him, I

:14:58. > :15:00.imagine, and to stand up for his version of events, and perhaps to

:15:01. > :15:04.make it clear that he does not believe James Comey's version of

:15:05. > :15:08.events. That is certainly what the president would like to hear. The

:15:09. > :15:17.senators are getting ready, there is Richard Burr, the chairman of the

:15:18. > :15:18.committee. We know that they are not particularly short winded. Let's

:15:19. > :15:38.listen. Attorney General Sessions, we

:15:39. > :15:41.appreciate your willingness to appear before the committee today.

:15:42. > :15:42.We thank you for your years of dedicated service as a member of

:15:43. > :15:44.this