0:00:10 > 0:00:16Cathedral in London, where later this morning, the funeral service
0:00:16 > 0:00:23for Lady Thatcher, Margaret Thatcher, British prime minister
0:00:23 > 0:00:28from 1979 until 1990, will take place. There has been a considerable
0:00:28 > 0:00:32number of people outside St Paul's. I was speaking to someone who
0:00:32 > 0:00:35arrived at 3.30 AM to watch the ceremony that will take place, and
0:00:35 > 0:00:40it is not a particularly nice day. It is cold and there has been
0:00:40 > 0:00:44drizzle, but we hope the rain will hold off for the processions. Not
0:00:44 > 0:00:48since the death of Winston Churchill nearly 50 years ago has the death of
0:00:48 > 0:00:52a politician been marked on such a scale. It is not quite a state
0:00:52 > 0:00:59funeral, but nevertheless a very grand affair, with full military
0:00:59 > 0:01:06honours. Lady Thatcher's coffin will be born on the gun carriage drawn by
0:01:06 > 0:01:09six black horses of the Kings Troop will house artillery -- King's Troop
0:01:09 > 0:01:13Royal Horse Artillery before the entrance to the city of London up to
0:01:13 > 0:01:17St Paul's, the streets on the route lined on either side by
0:01:17 > 0:01:21representatives of the Armed Forces who fought in the Falklands. Inside
0:01:21 > 0:01:25St Paul's, where members of the congregation are already arriving,
0:01:25 > 0:01:29the doors opened at nine o'clock, apart from Lady Thatcher's immediate
0:01:29 > 0:01:34family, there will be a host of people representing bits of her
0:01:34 > 0:01:41life. There will be politicians from political parties, as it is, a
0:01:41 > 0:01:46broad. From the United States, South Africa, the former president FW de
0:01:46 > 0:01:56Klerk. There will be famous faces. And of course, there will be her
0:01:56 > 0:02:01friends and the people who looked after her in recent years. And also
0:02:01 > 0:02:06coming to the first politician's funeral since she came to Winston
0:02:06 > 0:02:10Churchill's funeral, her Majesty the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh.
0:02:10 > 0:02:15There is a very strong police presence here today. There are
0:02:15 > 0:02:18policemen everywhere you look in this part of London. Of course, they
0:02:18 > 0:02:24are no doubt expecting some protests as old adversaries have made their
0:02:24 > 0:02:28views felt both in parliament and in the country at large since Lady
0:02:28 > 0:02:31Thatcher's death. The battles of the 1980s have been rethought.
0:02:31 > 0:02:35Inevitably, questions have been asked about whether Lady Thatcher
0:02:35 > 0:02:39should have been awarded a funeral on this scale when most of her
0:02:39 > 0:02:42predecessors were buried with modest ceremony. In Whitehall, there are
0:02:42 > 0:02:48not any crowds at the moment, but there is a reason for that because
0:02:48 > 0:02:52the journey of the coffin from Westminster to the point at Saint
0:02:52 > 0:02:56Clement Danes where it is transferred to a gun carriage is
0:02:56 > 0:03:04simply buy a funeral hearse, so there is not much for people to see.
0:03:04 > 0:03:08Nevertheless, the police are heavily lining each side. Of course, the
0:03:08 > 0:03:14justification that is given for this scale of funeral is that Margaret
0:03:14 > 0:03:19Thatcher was the towering politician of her generation - the words of Ed
0:03:19 > 0:03:22Miliband, the Labour leader. She was not only Britain's first woman prime
0:03:22 > 0:03:27minister, she was the first prime minister since everyone had the vote
0:03:27 > 0:03:31to be elected three times running. And she saw many changes. Her
0:03:31 > 0:03:40reforms were bold and painful, sometimes, often bitterly resisted.
0:03:40 > 0:03:44Controversial in life, and still controversial today in death. Lady
0:03:44 > 0:03:47Thatcher's coffin lay overnight in the chapel of Saint Mary's
0:03:47 > 0:03:52undercroft in the Palace of Westminster, where she fought so
0:03:52 > 0:03:56many of her political battles. In just under an hour, it will be
0:03:56 > 0:04:06brought from there by this hearse along the bottom of Parliament
0:04:06 > 0:04:08
0:04:08 > 0:04:11Square and into Whitehall. It will past Downing Street, go past the
0:04:11 > 0:04:17Treasury and those gates which Margaret Thatcher had installed here
0:04:17 > 0:04:21because of the constant threat from IRA terror risen. No one will forget
0:04:21 > 0:04:26her courage when the bomb exploded at the grand Hotel in Brighton. It
0:04:26 > 0:04:30was after that that these gates were put up for security reasons. Then
0:04:30 > 0:04:37she goes past the Ministry of defence on the other side of
0:04:37 > 0:04:42Whitehall, where the Falklands conflict was run. And then up to
0:04:42 > 0:04:49Trafalgar Square, where it turns right under the observant gaze of
0:04:49 > 0:04:56Admiral Nelson and so into the Strand, past Charing Cross, until
0:04:56 > 0:05:01she arrives at the royal air force church of Saint Clement Danes. Here,
0:05:01 > 0:05:06her coffin will be transferred to the gun carriage and be accompanied
0:05:06 > 0:05:11by a band and the wonderful sound of muffled drums. It will move at a
0:05:11 > 0:05:15slow walk down Fleet Street to Ludgate Circus, up Ludgate Hill to
0:05:15 > 0:05:19the steps of St Paul's Cathedral. We have 2-macro reporters this morning
0:05:19 > 0:05:28watching events on the streets. Mishal Husain will be at Saint
0:05:28 > 0:05:31Clement Danes, and Sophie Raworth is at the Palace of Westminster.
0:05:31 > 0:05:36It is incredibly quiet at Westminster at the moment, it really
0:05:36 > 0:05:39so in fact. Just a handful of people waiting by the barriers for the
0:05:39 > 0:05:45moment when Baroness Thatcher's coffin leaves here for the last time
0:05:45 > 0:05:50at ten o'clock this morning. The hearse carrying Baroness Thatcher's
0:05:50 > 0:05:54body arrived here yesterday afternoon at three o'clock, the
0:05:54 > 0:05:58coffin draped in a union flag. It was a low-key arrival for the woman
0:05:58 > 0:06:04who dominated parliament for so many years. Her body was carried down
0:06:04 > 0:06:07some steps into the chapel of Saint Mary undercroft, a small, Gothic,
0:06:07 > 0:06:16beautiful chapel that dates back to the 14th century. There, her coffin
0:06:16 > 0:06:19rested overnight. Beloved mother, always in our hearts, the message
0:06:19 > 0:06:25from her children, the twins Mark and Carol Thatcher, who came here
0:06:25 > 0:06:30for the service led by the Dean of Westminster. It was attended by
0:06:30 > 0:06:33around 100 MPs, peers and staff from Parliament and Downing Street. Till
0:06:33 > 0:06:38nine o'clock last night, the chapel remained open so that more MPs and
0:06:38 > 0:06:42peers as well as Parliamentary staff could come and pay their last
0:06:42 > 0:06:45respects. It was Margaret Thatcher's wish that she should
0:06:45 > 0:06:50spend her last night here before the funeral at the price of Westminster,
0:06:50 > 0:06:54as close to the House of Commons as she could be. At ten o'clock this
0:06:54 > 0:07:01morning, she will leave here for the last time. She will be driven in the
0:07:01 > 0:07:05hearse to the Strand, where my colleague Mishal Husain is now.
0:07:05 > 0:07:09Saint Clement Danes is the Church of the royal air force, but today it
0:07:09 > 0:07:13has a unique role to play, because it is here that the undertakers will
0:07:13 > 0:07:19hand over to the Armed Forces and the coffin will continue its journey
0:07:19 > 0:07:21as part of the ceremonial procession. When it arrives here, it
0:07:22 > 0:07:29will be received by two chaplains, the Reverend David Osborne, the
0:07:29 > 0:07:32chaplain of Saint Clement Danes, and the RAF Saint chaplain in chief. It
0:07:32 > 0:07:37will be placed on stands that are already waiting in the nave, and
0:07:37 > 0:07:43both chaplains will say prayers during the brief time that the
0:07:43 > 0:07:49coffin is inside the church. After those prayers, the bearer party will
0:07:49 > 0:07:53approach. This is a group of ten men chosen from across the armed
0:07:53 > 0:07:58services who together represent regiments, units and ships that all
0:07:58 > 0:08:03served in the Falklands. Among them, the Scots Guards, the Royal Marines
0:08:03 > 0:08:13and the RAF. Leading that bearer party will be two brothers who are
0:08:13 > 0:08:14
0:08:14 > 0:08:18Falklands veterans. In 1982, they were both on board the Sir Galahad
0:08:18 > 0:08:22when it was attacked by Argentine forces and suffered terrible
0:08:22 > 0:08:27losses. Today, they will be part of that bearer party that will carry
0:08:27 > 0:08:32the coffin out here to the gun carriage that will by then be
0:08:32 > 0:08:36waiting. Once the coffin is placed upon it, they will walk alongside
0:08:36 > 0:08:41the gun carriage all the way to St Paul's Cathedral.
0:08:41 > 0:08:45The doors of the cathedral behind me opened at nine o'clock exactly.
0:08:45 > 0:08:50There was already a queue of people waiting with umbrellas up because
0:08:50 > 0:08:53the rain had just started. People inside are looking for their seats.
0:08:53 > 0:08:57Many of the more prominent guests are placed, others are fighting to
0:08:57 > 0:09:01get a seat where they can properly see and hear. During this time, the
0:09:01 > 0:09:05organ will start playing from now until the beginning of the service,
0:09:05 > 0:09:11all the music chosen by Lady Thatcher apart from one piece by
0:09:11 > 0:09:14Charles Stanford, who was Irish, by English composers. There is an
0:09:14 > 0:09:21Englishness about this service that you will recognise as it takes
0:09:21 > 0:09:26place. Under the great dome designed by Sir Christopher Wren, 365 feet
0:09:26 > 0:09:30high, it is the place where Lady Thatcher's coffin will rest. And
0:09:30 > 0:09:36near there, too small thrones to the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh. And
0:09:36 > 0:09:39beside them, the prime minister and former prime ministers, members of
0:09:39 > 0:09:47the cabinet, members of the Armed Forces, the Knights of the Garter,
0:09:47 > 0:09:50many Foreign Minister's from nearly 200 countries, including American
0:09:50 > 0:09:56secretaries of State. Henry Kissinger is coming. We think
0:09:56 > 0:10:02Hillary Clinton might be here but we gather she is not. And then of
0:10:02 > 0:10:06course, Lady Thatcher's family and close friends. And people who looked
0:10:06 > 0:10:10after her. Her two grandchildren, Amanda and Michael, will be in the
0:10:11 > 0:10:15procession, carrying her Order of Merit and her Order of the Garter.
0:10:15 > 0:10:18Her granddaughter will read one of the lessons. The other is read by
0:10:18 > 0:10:25the prime minister. Lady Thatcher had said whoever was prime minister
0:10:25 > 0:10:29at the time, she would like it read by him or, I suppose, her. There
0:10:29 > 0:10:34will be beautiful leaves some music from the quarrel St Paul's. There
0:10:34 > 0:10:38will be bold and steering hymns for the congregation to join in. The new
0:10:38 > 0:10:45Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, will give the blessing, his
0:10:45 > 0:10:50first state occasion since his. The coffin will then be taken back from
0:10:50 > 0:10:55here to the Royal Hospital, Chelsea, before going on to the crematorium.
0:10:55 > 0:11:02Her ashes will be buried tomorrow in Chelsea, near the ashes of her
0:11:02 > 0:11:06husband, Sir Denis. Before we leave the cathedral for a moment, if you
0:11:06 > 0:11:10don't want to watch the procession to St Paul's and the other events
0:11:10 > 0:11:14unfolding but just want to see what is going on inside the cathedral
0:11:14 > 0:11:19without commentary, you can do so by pushing the red button and we will
0:11:19 > 0:11:23say goodbye to you. Forever body else, here we are in the studio in
0:11:23 > 0:11:27front of St Paul's. I have with me three guests, Shirley Williams,
0:11:27 > 0:11:33former leader of the Liberal Democrats in the House of Lords, the
0:11:33 > 0:11:37former Labour minister as well. It Hennessy, Professor of contemporary
0:11:37 > 0:11:41history and for many years a political journalist. And Sir Terry
0:11:41 > 0:11:51Wogan, lovely to see you here. Let's start with you. What brings you
0:11:51 > 0:11:52
0:11:52 > 0:11:57here? I represent the hoi polloi element. The Irish element?Not
0:11:57 > 0:12:03necessarily Irish, but just the players, I am afraid. And I am
0:12:03 > 0:12:07privileged to be here. Seriously, what was it about Lady Thatcher that
0:12:07 > 0:12:14brought you here? I can't claim that I knew her intimately, but I did
0:12:14 > 0:12:19interview her on a long lost television show called Wogan. She
0:12:19 > 0:12:24came on and conducted herself with great propriety. And afterwards, in
0:12:24 > 0:12:29the hospitality suite, which we used to call hostility, she brought Denis
0:12:29 > 0:12:34with her and Denis was downing the pink gins, as was his won't, and he
0:12:34 > 0:12:42had had at least three or four. And she was keeping an eye on him and
0:12:42 > 0:12:50she said, Denis, that is to you have had. We must be off. That was how I
0:12:50 > 0:12:54knew her. When I was president of a charity for handicapped children,
0:12:54 > 0:12:59she invited us. She came to a charity that I was president of and
0:12:59 > 0:13:06out of the blue, I had asked her if she was free, and suddenly she said
0:13:06 > 0:13:11she would come. And she made to refix and stayed an hour to talk.
0:13:11 > 0:13:15She turned up the Children In Need, the only prime minister to do so.
0:13:15 > 0:13:18Shirley Williams, this business of her husband, Sir Denis, who was
0:13:18 > 0:13:22obviously very close to her, but let's look at her as a woman
0:13:22 > 0:13:26politician. You are a woman politician and you know what it is
0:13:26 > 0:13:30like in the House of Commons and House of Lords. What was so striking
0:13:30 > 0:13:33about her? The first thing was that her domestic life was a very
0:13:33 > 0:13:37precious, separate thing. I remember at least three occasions when I
0:13:37 > 0:13:41talked to Margaret armour she was ironing at the same time. She was
0:13:41 > 0:13:51very keen on ironing. There was something about the tidiness and
0:13:51 > 0:13:51
0:13:51 > 0:13:55correctness of her life. But in a funny way, he was not particularly
0:13:55 > 0:13:59interested in her politics, he was interested in her. He loved to watch
0:13:59 > 0:14:07her act in the political world. she told him she was standing for
0:14:07 > 0:14:14leader, he said, of what? That is a true story. He must have been
0:14:14 > 0:14:18teasing. I am not sure. I think he kept a certain detachment. He kept
0:14:18 > 0:14:23himself as her husband, and she always regarded him that way. She
0:14:23 > 0:14:28was proud of making him breakfast as well as ironing the shirts. What
0:14:28 > 0:14:32about the House of Commons? Why are we here? First of all because of the
0:14:32 > 0:14:37extraordinary single-mindedness of her personality. Once zoomed her
0:14:37 > 0:14:43from Grantham to number ten was this extraordinary commitment of her
0:14:43 > 0:14:47energy and thought, where she was going and how she was going to get
0:14:47 > 0:14:52there. That went with her through the whole of her life. Secondly,
0:14:52 > 0:14:55something that has not been talked about a lot, which is that Margaret
0:14:55 > 0:15:01Thatcher saw politics as being extremely serious. It was not a
0:15:01 > 0:15:05subject for cartoons or jokes, it was of significance. And therefore,
0:15:05 > 0:15:15unlike many male politicians who she regarded as playing games, she never
0:15:15 > 0:15:26
0:15:26 > 0:15:30funeral like this since Winston Churchill. Or Wellington. Wherever
0:15:30 > 0:15:34you stand on Margaret Thatcher and her policies, you have to recognise
0:15:34 > 0:15:38this extraordinary force field she had around her. She had from the
0:15:38 > 0:15:43very beginning. She was a primary colours politician who spoke in
0:15:43 > 0:15:47caveat three sentences. Shirley and I were talking materialier, there
0:15:47 > 0:15:53were no pastel shades. I was with Shirley, I was lucky as a young
0:15:53 > 0:15:58journalist in the first weeks of 1975, when Shirley was a Minister,
0:15:58 > 0:16:02and the Private Secretary brought in the news of who won the last
0:16:02 > 0:16:09ballot, Willie Whitelaw or Margaret Thatcher to lead the Conservative
0:16:09 > 0:16:16Party. Shirley said I hope it is Margaret but as a Labour politician
0:16:16 > 0:16:20I hope it is Willie, as it will push my party to the left and
0:16:20 > 0:16:25Willie Whitelaw won't, and Shirley, you were spot on. A primary colours
0:16:25 > 0:16:30politician who disturbed all the atoms in the force field of
0:16:30 > 0:16:33politics. A reminder about Lady Thatcher's career. Political
0:16:33 > 0:16:38careers are always uncertain. Politicians, as Shirley Williams
0:16:38 > 0:16:42knows well enough, are buffeted by fate. With hindsight these careers
0:16:42 > 0:16:47may seem to have a kind of necessityability around them, but
0:16:48 > 0:16:52for those -- a kind of inevitability around them, but for
0:16:52 > 0:16:56some it is that which trips them up. Margaret Thatcher's rise through
0:16:56 > 0:17:01the ranks to become Prime Minister was in exception. She had the luck,
0:17:01 > 0:17:08but she also had the determination and nerve needed to get to the top
0:17:08 > 0:17:11in a man's world where no woman, remember, had ever ventured before.
0:17:11 > 0:17:16The incoming Thatcher Government tried to curb inflation, increasing
0:17:16 > 0:17:24tax and interest rates. The economy went into recession, unemployment
0:17:24 > 0:17:30rose and with it opposition to her policies. I have only one thing to
0:17:30 > 0:17:34say - U-turn if you want to. The Lady's not for turning.
0:17:34 > 0:17:40Thatcher's response to the Argentine invasion of the Falklands
0:17:40 > 0:17:468,000 miles away was decisive but risky, after a victorious 74-day
0:17:46 > 0:17:51campaign Mrs Thatcher celebrated the triumph. Margaret Thatcher
0:17:51 > 0:17:55returns to Downing Street with the biggest majority since 1945.
0:17:55 > 0:18:00Her second term of office was marked by violence at home.
0:18:00 > 0:18:05Violence on the miners' picket lines as they struck against pit
0:18:06 > 0:18:10closures. Violence in Brighton when the IRA tried to kill her. Life
0:18:10 > 0:18:13must go on as usual. Thatcher pressed on with plans to hand back
0:18:13 > 0:18:20power from the state. Conservatives are returning power
0:18:20 > 0:18:24to the people. That is the way to one nation, one people. On the
0:18:25 > 0:18:31world stage she made common cause with President Reagan. We share so
0:18:31 > 0:18:36many of the same goals, and a determination to achieve them. You
0:18:36 > 0:18:41ain't seen nothing yet. Gorbachev's Russia too was
0:18:41 > 0:18:46sympathetic to her message. It is wonderful to be entrusted with the
0:18:46 > 0:18:51Government of this country, this great country, once again. But her
0:18:51 > 0:18:56third term in office proved her downfall. An attempt to introduce a
0:18:56 > 0:19:01universal local tax, the poll tax, led to rye not the streets, and
0:19:01 > 0:19:05just as damaging -- riot in the streets, and just as damaging in
0:19:06 > 0:19:08Cabinet was her new stridencey in Europe. It led to the resignation
0:19:08 > 0:19:13of Geoffrey Howe and a challenge to her leadership from Michael
0:19:13 > 0:19:17Heseltine. When she failed to win an outright majority of Tory MPs
0:19:17 > 0:19:22her own Cabinet told her it was time to go. Ladies and gentlemen,
0:19:22 > 0:19:27we are leaving Downing Street for the last time after 11-and-a-half
0:19:27 > 0:19:32wonderful years and we are very happy that we leave the United
0:19:32 > 0:19:40Kingdom in a very, very much better state than when we came here 11-
0:19:40 > 0:19:45and-a-half years ago. One of the curious things about political life
0:19:45 > 0:19:48is those cliches that we see again and again, the picture of Lady
0:19:48 > 0:19:52Thatcher leaving Downing Street or the Lady's not for turning that in
0:19:52 > 0:19:54the public mind, in our minds, seem to define the politician. In fact
0:19:54 > 0:19:58of course political life isn't like that. Somebody was writing about
0:19:59 > 0:20:02her the other day, she worked and worked and worked with an attention
0:20:02 > 0:20:06focused on detail. Those public appearances were just things
0:20:06 > 0:20:11dressed up either for her party conference or a speech and it
0:20:11 > 0:20:15wasn't the real Lady Thatcher. We are joined now by Lord Forsyth, who
0:20:15 > 0:20:19was a very junior Minister I think in her Government but you got to
0:20:19 > 0:20:23know her in later years and when she was in the House of Lords. What
0:20:23 > 0:20:27was your impression of her strength? Actually I first got to
0:20:27 > 0:20:33know her with Keith Joseph and was involved in her leadership campaign.
0:20:33 > 0:20:41In fact I think I won �50 on a 50p stake on her becoming the leader of
0:20:41 > 0:20:44the Conservative Party. �50 on 50p? That's not bad. I got involved then
0:20:44 > 0:20:48because the country seemed a complete disaster. She had this
0:20:48 > 0:20:51optimism and a belief in Britain, that it could be turned around, at
0:20:51 > 0:20:57a time when most people didn't. As a Minister of course you had to
0:20:57 > 0:21:01work very hard. David Davis, I remember him shouting to me as I
0:21:01 > 0:21:06ran across Central Lobby, "Rome wasn't built in a day" and I said,
0:21:06 > 0:21:10"Well Margaret wasn't in charge of that job." She worked hard and that
0:21:10 > 0:21:14was the standard. Is it a good, an essential characteristic? A lot of
0:21:14 > 0:21:17senior politicians, a lot of Prime Ministers, aren't like that.
0:21:17 > 0:21:25Everything you hear about her was focus on this, focus on that. Have
0:21:25 > 0:21:31you done this, have you done that? Whereas you often get a much more
0:21:31 > 0:21:36relaxed style, the way Macmillan handled it was completely different
0:21:36 > 0:21:45He took it as a caricature, he was almost prostrate. He said I'm up
0:21:45 > 0:21:50with the lark and I go to bed with the trollope. With moocher it
0:21:50 > 0:21:55wasn't just like -- with Margaret Thatcher it wasn't just like I
0:21:55 > 0:22:01might not make it, but with her Government you felt that the clock
0:22:01 > 0:22:08was ticking. She said to a friend of mine in July 1979, he said you
0:22:08 > 0:22:18had a busy year, I think you need a holiday. She said, "Bust I must
0:22:18 > 0:22:22govern." She felt the need to govern." She felt if you had
0:22:22 > 0:22:27tarpbgts you had to itz for the benefit of society as a whole.
0:22:27 > 0:22:30it a disadvantage, did it lead to her downfall, the poll tax and her
0:22:30 > 0:22:33party turning against her, because she couldn't see the wood for the
0:22:33 > 0:22:39trees? I don't know that today's a day to talk about the politics of
0:22:39 > 0:22:43it. I don't think it was her downfall. People think she was
0:22:43 > 0:22:49dogmatic but every meeting started with one question: What are the
0:22:49 > 0:22:54facts? She had a belief, a set of beliefs and convictions, but she
0:22:54 > 0:22:59was preached to change according to the arguments -- prepared to change
0:22:59 > 0:23:04according to the arguments. Her scientific training made her
0:23:04 > 0:23:09determined to operate on the basis of facts. You do agree with that
0:23:09 > 0:23:15Shirley? She was a much more pragmatic politician than people
0:23:15 > 0:23:21think. She was called an ideologue, but she wasn't. She never tried to
0:23:21 > 0:23:26privatise the NHS. She never turned back comprehensive schools. She
0:23:26 > 0:23:30deeply believed that what had been embedded in the wishes and opinions
0:23:30 > 0:23:34of the people were not for prime ministers to stand on their heads.
0:23:34 > 0:23:38She was much more in tune with popular opinion than most people
0:23:38 > 0:23:41have recognised. I think the other thing about her, she was always
0:23:41 > 0:23:47keen even in her latter years, where she was suffering from her
0:23:47 > 0:23:52illness, she always wanted to get things absolutely right and not let
0:23:52 > 0:23:56people down. And so as her memory deteriorated, she found it very
0:23:56 > 0:24:01difficult and quite frightening going to public engagements because
0:24:01 > 0:24:07there was this worry she might say the wrong thing. But her sense of
0:24:07 > 0:24:14duty drove her on. Let's go back inside the Cathedral, where it has
0:24:14 > 0:24:18been open now for 40 minutes or so. There are various figures coming up
0:24:18 > 0:24:23the aisle. We know that there are going to be senior politicians, her
0:24:23 > 0:24:27Cabinet here, and many old friends. Betty Boothroyd, the former speaker
0:24:27 > 0:24:30of the House of Commons. I think Michael Martin, another Speaker, is
0:24:30 > 0:24:36going to be there. The present Speaker will be there as well.
0:24:36 > 0:24:42George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, arriving with his
0:24:42 > 0:24:52wife. Inside on the left Cecil Parkinson. Leon Brittan on the
0:24:52 > 0:24:55right. Both in her Cabinet. Ken Clarke coming up the stairs. The
0:24:55 > 0:25:05only member of her Government who is still in Government in the
0:25:05 > 0:25:06
0:25:06 > 0:25:11Cabinet. And they are going to the seats that are reserved, the
0:25:11 > 0:25:17closest part under the Dome is where the VIPings so to speak, are
0:25:17 > 0:25:24going. Sir Malcolm Rifkind, a former Defence Secretary and
0:25:24 > 0:25:31Secretary of State for Scotland. Vince Cable, the Business Secretary,
0:25:31 > 0:25:39in the coalition Government. Many Labour MPs have stayed away, but
0:25:39 > 0:25:42some have come here. It is not being an entirely divided on
0:25:42 > 0:25:48partisan lines. There are some Labour MP who is feel very strongly
0:25:48 > 0:25:50that they shouldn't come, that it would be hypocritical to come, but
0:25:50 > 0:25:57there are many others who acknowledge there's a difference
0:25:57 > 0:26:07between the person and the politics. And that the politics can be set
0:26:07 > 0:26:13
0:26:14 > 0:26:18aside for a day like this. All my gists here are going, apart from
0:26:18 > 0:26:25Peter Hennessy, who is going to stay here, are staying. Matthew
0:26:25 > 0:26:31Parris, the former Tory MP, worked very closely with Mrs Thatcher, and
0:26:31 > 0:26:36Baroness Bottomley I should call you, who also worked in Mrs
0:26:36 > 0:26:41Thatcher's Government. Virginia, what was your memory of her today
0:26:41 > 0:26:45when you hear the eulogys and the Bishop of London and all, that
0:26:45 > 0:26:49what's the Lady Thatcher thaw will remember? She did carve out the way
0:26:49 > 0:26:53for women. There were 23 women went I went into the House of Commons.
0:26:54 > 0:26:58We never thought we would have a woman Prime Minister. She was
0:26:58 > 0:27:02remarkable. I think she invented political power dressing. I only
0:27:02 > 0:27:08got selected in my constituency because I had my hair done like
0:27:08 > 0:27:12hers and wore a suit with a bow. There was this extraordinary
0:27:12 > 0:27:16confidence which I think we've been talking about came out of being a
0:27:16 > 0:27:23scientist and a Methodist. She had clarity. Women are supposed to be
0:27:23 > 0:27:27full of self-doubt and lacking in self-confidence. She had a vision.
0:27:27 > 0:27:31When she said Prague is the centre of Europe, you felt she is right.
0:27:31 > 0:27:35She brought in Eastern Europe and recognised that. She had this
0:27:36 > 0:27:40wonderful clarity of speech, but to me I was always daunted by her I'm
0:27:40 > 0:27:44afraid. Frightened of her?I'm afraid. So intimidated. Did you
0:27:44 > 0:27:50argue with her? I never realised until much later she loved a good
0:27:50 > 0:27:55argument and she wanted you to give as good as she got. I remember as a
0:27:55 > 0:28:00junior Minister being summoned when she first offered me a ministerial
0:28:00 > 0:28:06job. She said it was in environment. I said, "Prime Minister, I don't
0:28:06 > 0:28:11know anything about it." She said, "Well you will just have to read up
0:28:11 > 0:28:17on it won't you." An amazing woman, who changed politics for women.
0:28:17 > 0:28:24Matthew, you worked with her as a very young man, answering her
0:28:24 > 0:28:28letters and writing her speeches? was her correspondence clerk when
0:28:28 > 0:28:31she was Leader of the Opposition. She was a very different person to
0:28:31 > 0:28:37work for than to work with. She could be very difficult to work
0:28:37 > 0:28:43with but as a boss she was marvellous. She was always in the
0:28:43 > 0:28:47office before we were and she never left until after we had gone.
0:28:47 > 0:28:53that marvellous? I thought it would've been nerve-racking for you.
0:28:53 > 0:29:02She inspired us all with a sense of mission. It felt like a team, like
0:29:02 > 0:29:08a platoon. Huge enthusiasm. Did she flirt with you? I always felt when
0:29:08 > 0:29:16I interviewed her she was always very flirtatious, "Nice tie, David,
0:29:16 > 0:29:23I will get one for Denis." always laid her hand on your wrist.
0:29:23 > 0:29:27Oh, she deve did that! I told her I was going around the world to see
0:29:27 > 0:29:34the Moon and the star from the top of the mountain and she said,
0:29:34 > 0:29:40"Don't bother dear, you will go halfway around the world and I am
0:29:40 > 0:29:49look at the Moon and the stars from halfway around the world, don't go,
0:29:49 > 0:29:52dear, you can stay here and see the world from Spalding." It is in
0:29:52 > 0:29:58Grantham, near from where she came. From we've been talking about the
0:29:58 > 0:30:02commitment to ideas and the way she handled political ideas. Do you
0:30:02 > 0:30:05think her focus, almost tunnel vision on particular projects and
0:30:05 > 0:30:09problems which was her identifying characteristic, did that allow a
0:30:09 > 0:30:19big view about Britain and Britain's place in if world? The
0:30:19 > 0:30:32
0:30:32 > 0:30:34two things seem that they might be the blinkers sometimes stopped her
0:30:34 > 0:30:40from seeing the little incidental things going on around the outside
0:30:40 > 0:30:48and made her vulnerable. We will talk more later, but let's go down
0:30:48 > 0:30:53to Westminster now and join Sophie Raworth.
0:30:53 > 0:30:58The crowds have grown considerably in the last half-hour. A few hundred
0:30:58 > 0:31:01people are now lining the streets, waiting for the moment at ten
0:31:01 > 0:31:05o'clock when Baroness Thatcher's body leaves Westminster for the last
0:31:05 > 0:31:08time. The funeral may be taking his a few miles away from here at St
0:31:08 > 0:31:14Paul's, but the Palace of Westminster will still play its own
0:31:14 > 0:31:18role today, because for the first time since the funeral of West --
0:31:18 > 0:31:26Winston Churchill, Big Ben will be silenced. In fact, we have just
0:31:26 > 0:31:33heard Big Ben chime for the last time this morning at 9.45. We will
0:31:33 > 0:31:35not hear it again until one o'clock this afternoon. It was seen as a
0:31:35 > 0:31:41tribute to the late prime minister. The only time Big Ben has been
0:31:41 > 0:31:46silent since then was when it's needed repairing in the 70s. The
0:31:46 > 0:31:50Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, said he felt a profound
0:31:50 > 0:31:55dignity could be expressed through silence. When the coffin leaves here
0:31:55 > 0:32:01for the last time at ten o'clock this morning, it will be a poignant
0:32:01 > 0:32:06moment for many. Margaret Thatcher arrived here as an MP in 1959. She
0:32:06 > 0:32:16is about to leave here for the last time. She will be given a short
0:32:16 > 0:32:16
0:32:16 > 0:32:20distance, a 15 Minute Drive to the Strand. Mishal Husain is there now.
0:32:20 > 0:32:24The band of the Royal Marines has just gone past us here, and it is
0:32:24 > 0:32:28here that the bearer party representing units from the
0:32:28 > 0:32:32Falklands will take over and the ceremonial procession will begin.
0:32:32 > 0:32:36With me outside Saint Clement Danes is one Falklands veteran, Major
0:32:36 > 0:32:40General Jonathan Shaw. You were a young officer when Mrs Thatcher made
0:32:40 > 0:32:45that key speech in Parliament that sent the task force to the South
0:32:45 > 0:32:48Atlantic. How did you feel listening to her speak that they? It was an
0:32:48 > 0:32:53extraordinary moment, because it came out of the blue. We all
0:32:53 > 0:33:00gathered around our radio sets. Hearing her talk was spine tingling.
0:33:00 > 0:33:04We realised this was Maggie's call to arms, and we had to respond. It
0:33:04 > 0:33:07was sensational. And then this long journey began all the way south to
0:33:07 > 0:33:14the Falklands. What did the leadership mean to you in those
0:33:14 > 0:33:18weeks you spent travelling down that? When we set off, few of us
0:33:18 > 0:33:23thought it would lead to war. It was only when we sailed from the
0:33:23 > 0:33:26Ascension Island that we thought, crikey, this is serious. I was 24
0:33:26 > 0:33:33and most blogs were younger than me. We had never been in battle
0:33:33 > 0:33:38before. We were feeling of this Deeley resolve transmitted over the
0:33:38 > 0:33:46radio and on the news broadcasts. Having that steely resolve behind us
0:33:46 > 0:33:50gave us the support we needed. you ever get to meet her? Yes, I met
0:33:50 > 0:33:56her a number of times. The most important one that sticks in the
0:33:56 > 0:34:03brain was in 1997, 15 years on from the war, when she came to a reunion
0:34:03 > 0:34:08in Aldershot. The boys just erupted in spontaneous applause and
0:34:08 > 0:34:12sustained cheering. It was a celebration of a bond between us and
0:34:12 > 0:34:15her. Today, the bearer party that we will see here have all been chosen
0:34:15 > 0:34:21because they represent those who fought in the Falklands. What does
0:34:21 > 0:34:25that mean to the veterans? It is fantastically emblematic of that
0:34:25 > 0:34:35bond between the soldiers and her. It is a magnificent tribute to them
0:34:35 > 0:34:37
0:34:37 > 0:34:45and I am grateful for it happening. Thank you very much.
0:34:45 > 0:34:50Mishal, at Saint, Danes. And passing out of the picture here, the police.
0:34:50 > 0:34:56They are bringing the gun carriage of Whitehall. The streets on either
0:34:56 > 0:35:03side are now closed and access to them blocked. These black horses,
0:35:03 > 0:35:09six of them, will pull the hearse. There is a charger in the front, a
0:35:09 > 0:35:17huge horse called Mr twister. They known all their horses after
0:35:17 > 0:35:27characters from novels. He is called Mr twister, but he is called Bert
0:35:27 > 0:35:30
0:35:30 > 0:35:37more informally when in the stables. The splendid site of the horses.
0:35:37 > 0:35:46Now, I am joined by somebody who used to write speeches for Lady
0:35:46 > 0:35:52Thatcher, Michael Dobbs, who has since written all kinds of books and
0:35:52 > 0:35:59in particular, once whose names escape me! I am delighted to hear
0:35:59 > 0:36:07it. A copy will be in the post. have seen the movies. I was going to
0:36:07 > 0:36:12say Queen of hearts! Tell me what it was like writing for her? I will say
0:36:12 > 0:36:17the words house of cards later. Thank you. I wrote speeches for her
0:36:17 > 0:36:20as leader of the opposition when she was still forming herself. She had
0:36:20 > 0:36:25come from being a Finchley housewife, and was not yet the iron
0:36:25 > 0:36:29Lady. It was an exhausting task. Everybody has been saying this
0:36:29 > 0:36:32morning how focused she was. She would focus on a speech and go
0:36:32 > 0:36:37through so mini different drafts because she wanted perfection. She
0:36:37 > 0:36:41was not a great orator but she was a superb speechmaker and woodwork work
0:36:41 > 0:36:45until the very early hours of the morning. She completely exhausted me
0:36:45 > 0:36:51trying to keep up with her. You would be sitting until three o'clock
0:36:51 > 0:36:55in the morning. She would be in her nightclothes and often her curlers.
0:36:55 > 0:37:02Sorry to interrupt. Norman Tebbit has just arrived at St Paul's
0:37:02 > 0:37:09Cathedral, one of her staunchest supporters down the years. The last
0:37:09 > 0:37:14man in the trench when she eventually went. And there is FW de
0:37:14 > 0:37:18Klerk, the former president of South Africa. It is set in the House of
0:37:18 > 0:37:23Commons that Norman Tebbit felt he had left her to her friends, and
0:37:23 > 0:37:29they betrayed her. He said the only thing he regretted was that he left
0:37:29 > 0:37:39her to the mercy of her friends. I was chief of staff at that time. And
0:37:39 > 0:37:39
0:37:39 > 0:37:42I believe I was probably the first person that Norman Tebbit told that
0:37:42 > 0:37:46his priority was to take care of his wife, who had been so cruelly
0:37:46 > 0:37:52injured in the bombing of the Grand Hotel. It was a terrible difficulty
0:37:52 > 0:37:56for him to confront, but he had to. What did you mean when you said she
0:37:56 > 0:38:02was not a great orator, but she was a great speechwriter's was she
0:38:02 > 0:38:07strong on content, but not on delivery? "You turn if you want to.
0:38:07 > 0:38:10The Lady's not for turning". Has gone down in history. There will be
0:38:10 > 0:38:14many Tory party faithful who disagree with me and say they were
0:38:14 > 0:38:21enraptured by her speeches. I think her speeches were better remembered
0:38:21 > 0:38:25that the content, rather than the difficulties she sometimes had
0:38:25 > 0:38:28delivering them. As a woman, she had so many mountains to climb, and one
0:38:28 > 0:38:35of those was her voice and her ability to project it in a way which
0:38:35 > 0:38:40men would find more natural. Matthew? She had the rhetorical
0:38:41 > 0:38:44power of an electric drill. Sorry to interrupt - Ed Miliband is just
0:38:44 > 0:38:49standing outside. We are keeping an eye on the people who come. The
0:38:49 > 0:38:55leader of the opposition will be sitting in the front row. Nigel
0:38:55 > 0:39:00Lawson, who was her chancellor of the exchequer. Whom she famously
0:39:00 > 0:39:07told to get his hair cut when he became chancellor. And he never did.
0:39:07 > 0:39:11Nigel Lawson is one of those who resigned, as Geoffrey Howe did as
0:39:11 > 0:39:16Foreign Secretary. We think Geoffrey Howe will be here as well. And
0:39:16 > 0:39:21behind the beginning of the ranks of the dramatic core. Sorry, Matthew,
0:39:21 > 0:39:25go on. It was difficult to write jokes for her. She often did not get
0:39:25 > 0:39:30them and did not deliver them very well. The dead parrot joke, for
0:39:30 > 0:39:33example, she had never seen Monty Python. She was never satisfied.
0:39:33 > 0:39:38would go on working on her speeches till the last minute. On one
0:39:38 > 0:39:43occasion in Scotland, she left the hotel to go to the conference hall
0:39:43 > 0:39:47to make the speech, and secretaries were still kneeling on the floor,
0:39:47 > 0:39:53banging away at the typewriter, finishing off the last few pages.
0:39:53 > 0:39:57She was once pacing up and down, about to make a speech, and her
0:39:57 > 0:40:07speechwriter said, don't worry, piece of cake. She said, cake? I am
0:40:07 > 0:40:10
0:40:10 > 0:40:14about to make a speech! So what other qualities? You made a living
0:40:14 > 0:40:18after leaving politics by writing about it. What other qualities that
0:40:18 > 0:40:22make her a politician deserving of what is happening here this
0:40:22 > 0:40:28morning? I think this will be the last time we see an occasion. From
0:40:28 > 0:40:33now, these occasions will be for senior royals only. There is a real
0:40:33 > 0:40:40sense of the end of an era. Not only the passing of a lady, but the end
0:40:40 > 0:40:46of that kind of politics. Chris Patten, who worked with her to win
0:40:46 > 0:40:52elections and is now chairman of the BBC, with the spectacles on. Almost
0:40:52 > 0:40:56all the men we have been pointing out here... John Major arriving, her
0:40:56 > 0:41:02successor. She would have great fallings out with many men, and yet
0:41:02 > 0:41:07they are still coming here to do her homage. Sir John Major, for
0:41:07 > 0:41:13instance, said her behaviour to him over Europe was intolerable, but he
0:41:13 > 0:41:20was also generous about her. gave him a very hard time. Tony
0:41:20 > 0:41:25Blair is just arriving at the door, with cherie Blair. I wonder what she
0:41:25 > 0:41:34would make of this. I can half a her saying, what is all this about? How
0:41:35 > 0:41:39much did this cost, dear? It is interesting. She planned the funeral
0:41:39 > 0:41:49service. The idea that it would be held in St Paul's Cathedral was not
0:41:49 > 0:41:50
0:41:50 > 0:41:56hers, that came later. It was the content of the service that mattered
0:41:56 > 0:42:05to her. The gun carriage and all that happened subsequently. If you
0:42:05 > 0:42:14read the service, it is very interesting. This is the coffin
0:42:14 > 0:42:24coming out from Westminster now, to be taken to the hearse at St Mary
0:42:24 > 0:42:49
0:42:49 > 0:42:53who served the Queen Mother and Princess Diana's funeral. An old
0:42:53 > 0:42:57family business. It is interesting, they were founded in Devon in 1789,
0:42:57 > 0:43:04the same year as the French Revolution, and they have been
0:43:04 > 0:43:08undertakers ever since. They are into their ninth generation. I was
0:43:08 > 0:43:11talking to them at the rehearsal two days ago. They say their part in
0:43:11 > 0:43:19this is not at all part of the ceremony. Their job is just to move
0:43:19 > 0:43:24the coffin on here is discreetly and carefully as possible to the church
0:43:24 > 0:43:34of Saint Clement Danes, where they will put on the gun carriage on the
0:43:34 > 0:43:54
0:43:54 > 0:44:01silence. There are no crowds, no music, there is silence from Big Ben
0:44:01 > 0:44:07because it is coming up to ten o'clock. Just the chaplains who
0:44:07 > 0:44:16attend at Saint Mary's. The Dean of Westminster Abbey and one of their
0:44:16 > 0:44:21members who sat all night with the coffin. Everywhere the body is
0:44:21 > 0:44:24taken, the place that receives it holds prayers. The speaker's
0:44:24 > 0:44:30chaplain, for instance, sat with the coffin all last night down here at
0:44:30 > 0:44:34Westminster. And in Saint Clement Danes, as soon as the coffin is
0:44:34 > 0:44:44brought in to be prepared for the gun carriage, there will be more
0:44:44 > 0:44:53
0:44:53 > 0:44:58prayers. So wherever the body is, There's a police escort in front.
0:44:58 > 0:45:06We expect at 10 o'clock, because the clock at St Paul's is still
0:45:06 > 0:45:10striking, unlike Big Ben, they will set off. And there they go.
0:45:10 > 0:45:14This whole event has had to be carefully timed, like all these
0:45:14 > 0:45:23things, so they leave at exactly the moment they said, at ten
0:45:23 > 0:45:30o'clock. No ceremony, just the hearse. Driving into Parliament
0:45:30 > 0:45:37Square. Will it go past Winston Churchill's statue -- it will go
0:45:37 > 0:45:41past Winston Churchill's statue. The white beyond building beyond is
0:45:41 > 0:45:46the Treasury building, with which she did such battle to get control
0:45:46 > 0:45:56of the economy when she came into office. Always tension between
0:45:56 > 0:46:13
0:46:13 > 0:46:17Now coming up Whitehall. There are people here though they will only
0:46:17 > 0:46:23see a brief glimpse. Crowds on both sides have come out.
0:46:23 > 0:46:31APPLAUSE And you can see people applauding
0:46:31 > 0:46:38and indeed hear them. So far no signs of the protests
0:46:38 > 0:46:42that we had heard might happen, but pit does seem as though as the
0:46:42 > 0:46:46police themselves said, there's a lower expectation of trouble than
0:46:47 > 0:46:52they originally had. There was this event on Saturday in Trafalgar
0:46:52 > 0:47:00Square where people gathered to protest, but here it seems to be
0:47:00 > 0:47:10mainly a crowd just watching and aplauged her as she goes past.
0:47:10 > 0:47:11
0:47:11 > 0:47:17-- applauding her as she goes past. Past the Women at War memorial, the
0:47:17 > 0:47:24black plinth put up just beyond the Cenotaph for the work of women at
0:47:24 > 0:47:34war. Perhaps suitable that she, who fought the Falklands war, against
0:47:34 > 0:47:35
0:47:35 > 0:47:44much advice, and triumphed in it, should go past that memorial. The
0:47:44 > 0:47:54hearse now comes up towards Trafalgar Square.
0:47:54 > 0:48:29
0:48:29 > 0:48:39There it will turn into the Strand Under Nelson's Column and turning
0:48:39 > 0:48:53
0:48:53 > 0:49:03This grey day here in London, and St Paul's, the Cathedral now
0:49:03 > 0:49:03
0:49:03 > 0:49:10filling. The Archbishop of Canterbury arriving. John Sentamu,
0:49:10 > 0:49:20the Archbishop of York, the two Archbishops arriving, very much
0:49:20 > 0:49:26
0:49:26 > 0:49:33unrobed. Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London. Michael Portillo, who
0:49:34 > 0:49:38served in her Government. He's left politics now. There are figures
0:49:38 > 0:49:48from her administration. There are people who ran her Cabinet Office,
0:49:48 > 0:49:52
0:49:52 > 0:49:59like Lord Armstrong, who is here. David Steel, Lord Owen. John Major
0:49:59 > 0:50:06there talking to the Foreign Secretary, William Hague. Katherine
0:50:06 > 0:50:14Jenkin is, the singer. One of a number of celebrity guests, like
0:50:14 > 0:50:20Terry Wogan, who was in here. Tom King, who served as Secretary of
0:50:20 > 0:50:30State in Northern Ireland, Lord King as he now is. Michael
0:50:30 > 0:50:35
0:50:36 > 0:50:42Heseltine just arriving, coming up the steps. This is the view from
0:50:42 > 0:50:46the Church of St Clement Danes. It is here that the real part of the
0:50:46 > 0:50:53proessential, the ceremonial part of the proceedings begins, with the
0:50:54 > 0:50:59route liners all the way up from here to St Paul's, made up of the
0:50:59 > 0:51:05three services, and as always in military affairs starting with the
0:51:05 > 0:51:10Royal Air Force, then the Army, the 1st Battalion Welsh Guards, who
0:51:10 > 0:51:20fought in the Falklands war, and finally the Royal Navy and the
0:51:20 > 0:51:36
0:51:36 > 0:51:40The street liners now already in place. Nine paces apart. They were
0:51:40 > 0:51:50all out here on Monday for the rehearsal. The Church of St Clement
0:51:50 > 0:52:20
0:52:20 > 0:52:30APPLAUSE More applause as the hearse arrives
0:52:30 > 0:52:47
0:52:47 > 0:52:55The coffin will be met here by the Chaplain in Chief of the Royal Air
0:52:55 > 0:53:00Force, the Venrablg Ray Pentland, and the Reverend David Osborne, who
0:53:00 > 0:53:04is the residents chaplain here. -- the venerable Ray Pentland. The
0:53:04 > 0:53:09purpose of this part of the ceremony is simply to remove the
0:53:09 > 0:53:15coffin into the church, await the arrival of the gun carriage of the
0:53:15 > 0:53:23King's Troop Royal Horse Artillery, and during that period say prayers
0:53:23 > 0:53:32over the coffin. Then the coffin will be brought out, put on to the
0:53:32 > 0:53:37gun carriage and will set off at this slow pace, with drums playing
0:53:37 > 0:53:44and music, funeral marches by Beethoven and Mendelssohn and chop
0:53:44 > 0:53:49inall the way up. The message from the -- and shop inall the way up.
0:53:49 > 0:53:59The message from the children, "Beloved mother, always in our
0:53:59 > 0:54:13
0:54:13 > 0:54:19We receive the body of our sister Margaret with confidence in God.
0:54:19 > 0:54:27The giver of life. Who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead, grant,
0:54:27 > 0:54:31Lord, that we who are baptised into the death of your son, our sav or,
0:54:31 > 0:54:36Jesus Christ, may continually put to death our evil desires and be
0:54:36 > 0:54:41buried with him, that through the grave and gate of death we may pass
0:54:42 > 0:54:50to our joyful resurrection, through his her its, who died and was
0:54:50 > 0:54:55buried and rose again for us, your son, Jesus Christ our Lord, amen.
0:54:55 > 0:55:01I am the resurrection and the life, says the Lord. Those who believe in
0:55:01 > 0:55:09me even though they die will live. And everyone who lives and believes
0:55:09 > 0:55:15in me will never die. God, our father, by raising Christ your son
0:55:15 > 0:55:20you destroyed the power of death and opened for us the way of
0:55:20 > 0:55:28eternal life. As we remember before you this day our sister Margaret,
0:55:28 > 0:55:32we ask your help for all who should gather in her memory. Grant us the
0:55:32 > 0:55:40assurance of your presence and grace by the spirit you have given
0:55:40 > 0:55:46us, through Jesus Christ our Lord, amen. Heavenly father you have not
0:55:46 > 0:55:52made us for darkness and death, but for life with you forever. Without
0:55:52 > 0:55:59you we have nothing to hope for, with you we have nothing to fear.
0:55:59 > 0:56:03Speak to us now your words of eternal life. Lift us from anxiety
0:56:03 > 0:56:13and guilt to the life and peace of your presence and set the glory of
0:56:13 > 0:56:15
0:56:15 > 0:56:19your love before us through Jesus Christ our Lord, amen.
0:56:19 > 0:56:23Almighty God, you judge us with infinite mercy and justice. We
0:56:23 > 0:56:30rejoice in your promises of pardon joy and peace. To all those who
0:56:30 > 0:56:36love you. In your mercy turn the darkness of death into did dawn of
0:56:36 > 0:56:44new life. And the sorrow of parting into the joy of Heaven. Through our
0:56:44 > 0:56:50saviour Jesus Christ who died, rose again and lives forever more, amen.
0:56:50 > 0:56:55Margaret has fawn asleep in the peace of Christ, as we pause here
0:56:56 > 0:57:03on her journey, when entrust her with faith and hope, in everlasting
0:57:03 > 0:57:12life, to the love and mercy of our Father, and surround her with our
0:57:12 > 0:57:18love and prayer. God of all consolation, whose son Jesus Christ
0:57:18 > 0:57:21was moved to tears at the grave of Lazarus, his friend, look with
0:57:21 > 0:57:26compassion on your children in their loss. Give to our trourled
0:57:26 > 0:57:31hearts the light of hope and strength in us the gift of faith.
0:57:31 > 0:57:36In Jesus Christ our Lord, amen. In a moment the bearer party will
0:57:36 > 0:57:40come and we'll see that and take the coffin. I've been joined by the
0:57:40 > 0:57:45Prime Minister, David Cameron, who of course is responsible for the
0:57:45 > 0:57:49whole scale of this funeral today. Do you understand some people
0:57:49 > 0:57:54thinking it is a bit over the top? This has been planned very
0:57:54 > 0:57:57carefully with the family over very many years. There was a plan in
0:57:58 > 0:58:02place even before I came Conservative leader at the end of
0:58:02 > 0:58:062005. I remember being told about the plans. I have always thought
0:58:06 > 0:58:10they were fitting. They are in line with what the family wanted, with
0:58:10 > 0:58:16what Margaret herself wanted. told that the military side, the
0:58:16 > 0:58:21bands, all the glorious side we are seekers was your administration's,
0:58:21 > 0:58:26your doing? There was a clear plan in place. My input was to make sure
0:58:26 > 0:58:31it would be fitting and right. It's a ceremonial funeral, but with many
0:58:31 > 0:58:36aspects of a state funeral, and that is right. She was our first
0:58:36 > 0:58:42woman Prime Minister. She served longer than anyone in 150 years of
0:58:42 > 0:58:45the job. Talking to foreign leaders, I think people will find it odd if
0:58:45 > 0:58:48as a country we didn't properly commemorate and mark the passing of
0:58:48 > 0:58:53this extraordinary woman. It is very fitting for someone who made
0:58:53 > 0:58:57such an impact on our country and the world. Do you understand why
0:58:57 > 0:59:02some people can't distinguish, the woman, the politician, from the
0:59:02 > 0:59:06policies and say this is improper, because we are so opposed to the
0:59:06 > 0:59:09policies? Of course, some people will take a different view about
0:59:09 > 0:59:14what Margaret Thatcher achieved. I thought the Commons tribute showed
0:59:14 > 0:59:17that even those who opposed her policies were perfectly capable of
0:59:17 > 0:59:21saying this was a remarkable woman who impacted our history and
0:59:21 > 0:59:25therefore it is right to mark her passing in this way. Just to be
0:59:25 > 0:59:33clear, I did have conversations obviously with the leaders of the
0:59:33 > 0:59:35Liberal Democrats, the leaders of think they recognised in spite of
0:59:35 > 0:59:40the fact they disagreed with much of what she had done, she was an
0:59:40 > 0:59:44extraordinary woman and it was right to mark her passing in this
0:59:44 > 0:59:49way. Do you say there was an opinion poll - I don't like to
0:59:49 > 0:59:52mention polls on a take like this - that said if a younger Thatcher was
0:59:52 > 0:59:59leadering the Conservative Party you would win if next election and
0:59:59 > 1:00:03be 8 points ahead now? It is not the day to talk about opinion polls
1:00:03 > 1:00:13and as Margaret herself would say, there is only one poll that counts,
1:00:13 > 1:00:24
1:00:24 > 1:00:29an easier job because of the circumstances around 1979, and that
1:00:29 > 1:00:35politics has become in card with globalisation pressures? Do you feel
1:00:35 > 1:00:40you can give the same kind of clear, focused leadership? I think she had
1:00:40 > 1:00:46an incredibly tough time, because the circumstances in 1979 were
1:00:46 > 1:00:50difficult. When I came to office in 2010, the scale of the deficit, some
1:00:50 > 1:00:55of the circumstances are similar. The courage and right -- resolution
1:00:55 > 1:00:59she showed an necessary again today. Do you get strength from her
1:00:59 > 1:01:03example? I learned a huge amount from watching her as a teenager in
1:01:03 > 1:01:08the 1980s. I was growing up when the big decisions were made about
1:01:08 > 1:01:15deploying cruise missiles near where I lived in Newbury and the decisions
1:01:15 > 1:01:19about trade union reform were formative influences on my political
1:01:19 > 1:01:25development. You must not stay too long, because you have a duty to do
1:01:25 > 1:01:29and a lesson to read. What will your thoughts be in the Cathedral?
1:01:29 > 1:01:36Thinking about it now, obviously a great pride in all she achieved, but
1:01:36 > 1:01:39tinged with a lots of sadness. It is at these sort of occasions when you
1:01:39 > 1:01:44remember the woman, the person, the kindness she showed to people, and I
1:01:44 > 1:01:47saw that as a junior researcher when I worked for her in 1988. I think
1:01:47 > 1:01:52you think of the family and the person as well as the extraordinary
1:01:52 > 1:02:02things she achieved. Kind of you to come in. Let's go back to St Clement
1:02:02 > 1:02:22
1:02:22 > 1:02:30the bearer party. Mishal was saying earlier about the members of the
1:02:30 > 1:02:34bearer party, who come from the Royal Navy and the Royal Artillery.
1:02:34 > 1:02:44May the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit be among us for ever more.
1:02:44 > 1:03:04
1:03:04 > 1:03:14on the floor for various squadrons of the Royal Air Force. We can't see
1:03:14 > 1:03:14
1:03:14 > 1:03:24them clearly. This place was completely destroyed in the second
1:03:24 > 1:03:25
1:03:25 > 1:03:32World War, there are the inlaid slates. And all around the walls,
1:03:32 > 1:03:40there are books which record the name of every airman killed since
1:03:40 > 1:03:44way back -1912, I think. They are now standing in silence and we are
1:03:44 > 1:03:51awaiting the arrival of the bearer party. I was just saying about the
1:03:51 > 1:03:59bearer party that they are from various regiments. The Welsh Guards
1:03:59 > 1:04:04play a big part. The garrison sergeant major, Bill Mott, a tall,
1:04:04 > 1:04:11powerful figure who was in the Falklands, and his brother, who is
1:04:11 > 1:04:19in the Welsh Guards, major Mott. The two of them take part in this
1:04:19 > 1:04:28ceremonial. The gun carriage dates back to the first World War, or
1:04:28 > 1:04:33rather the gun does, from 1914. It is a small gun, 13 lbs, because it
1:04:33 > 1:04:36was used alongside the cavalry, so it had to be light and fast.
1:04:36 > 1:04:43Normally, these guns are seen with their horses at full gallop on
1:04:43 > 1:04:50display in Hyde Park and other displays. But the horses that are
1:04:50 > 1:04:53pulling the gun carriage today are six black horses, with one rider for
1:04:53 > 1:04:57each pair. They have been trained for the last couple of weeks to take
1:04:57 > 1:05:01things easy, because the last thing they want is for them to go off at a
1:05:01 > 1:05:09great bolt. They have to walk steadily. It is difficult, walking
1:05:09 > 1:05:19at sudden tree bases. -- at sedentary paces. It is harder for a
1:05:19 > 1:05:55
1:05:55 > 1:06:02horse to walk at that pace and pull be leading this procession. Their
1:06:02 > 1:06:07drums are muffled and draped, and they are under the command of
1:06:07 > 1:06:16another officer who served in the Falklands War, Colonel Hugh
1:06:16 > 1:06:21Bonington. He and two Mott brothers were all aboard Sir Galahad, which
1:06:21 > 1:06:24was sunk in the Falklands. 48 people were killed. So this military
1:06:24 > 1:06:31element is very important and the stress on the Falklands War is
1:06:31 > 1:06:35clearly part of the ceremony we are seeing. Back here at St Paul's, sand
1:06:35 > 1:06:41has been laid out for the gun carriage to arrive. The prime
1:06:41 > 1:06:51minister, who was with us a moment ago, and his wife, going to take his
1:06:51 > 1:06:56
1:06:56 > 1:07:05place. Outside St Paul's, the guard of honour of the first Battalion of
1:07:05 > 1:07:10the Welsh Guards. They will stay here and present Arms as various
1:07:10 > 1:07:20figures arrive. And on either side of the steps, the Chelsea
1:07:20 > 1:07:20
1:07:20 > 1:07:30Pensioners. The prime minister will be sitting at the side of the Queen
1:07:30 > 1:07:30
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1:08:14 > 1:08:22at the very front of the minister, and the chancellor of the
1:08:22 > 1:08:28Exchequer. Douglas Alexander. FW de Klerk once more, and his wife on his
1:08:28 > 1:08:31right. He has been in London, talking about how it was wrong to
1:08:31 > 1:08:41see Mrs Thatcher as against apartheid, she was just against
1:08:41 > 1:08:43
1:08:43 > 1:08:48sanctions against apartheid. This is the view from the top of St Paul's
1:08:48 > 1:08:55of the guard of honour. The first Battalion of the Welsh Guards, with
1:08:56 > 1:09:00the Queens colour that was presented to them by the Queen just a few
1:09:00 > 1:09:05years ago. The Chelsea Pensioners are lining this route. There are 16
1:09:05 > 1:09:10of them. The oldest one is not a man, but a woman. They were allowed
1:09:10 > 1:09:15in a few years back. Dorothy Hughes is 89 years old and used to meet
1:09:15 > 1:09:18Lady Thatcher often. She used to go down to the Chelsea Hospital. She
1:09:18 > 1:09:26has an infirmary named after her. She was a great supporter of the
1:09:26 > 1:09:36Royal Hospital Chelsea and indeed asked people who wanted to
1:09:36 > 1:09:43
1:09:43 > 1:09:49commemorate her to make heard he might be coming. Former
1:09:49 > 1:09:56Secretary of State of the United States flew in this morning. The
1:09:56 > 1:10:05bearer party are now in St Clement Danes. They are coming to take their
1:10:05 > 1:10:09place beside the coffin. Under the command of major Mott and with Bill
1:10:09 > 1:10:15Mott, his brother, the garrison sergeant major, making sure
1:10:15 > 1:10:20everything works well. This has been carefully rehearsed. It is not easy.
1:10:20 > 1:10:25Except for the fact that they are under the gaze of the world's eyes,
1:10:25 > 1:10:35that is not difficult. The difficult part is carrying it up the 24 steps
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1:12:21 > 1:12:27at the West door of St Paul's be carried through the West door of
1:12:27 > 1:12:36the church. This whole operation is much harder than it looks, but it
1:12:36 > 1:12:42does give a solemnity to the event. They take sideways steps. And of
1:12:42 > 1:12:47course, when they are carrying the coffin, they can't go left, right,
1:12:47 > 1:12:51left, right. You have to move your outside foot and then the inside. So
1:12:51 > 1:13:01the orders they get are inside, outside, rather than left, right,
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1:13:42 > 1:13:50seniority by service. They are also chosen by height so that they very
1:13:50 > 1:13:54slightly parade the coffin. At the front, the Royal Navy and the Royal
1:13:54 > 1:14:01Marines. Behind them, the Royal engineers and the fourth Regiment of
1:14:01 > 1:14:08the Royal Artillery. One of them comes from Grantham, Lady
1:14:08 > 1:14:18Thatcher's hometown. And then the third Battalion of the Paras and the
1:14:18 > 1:14:23
1:14:23 > 1:14:33Scots Guards. And finally, a member of the Royal Gurkha Rifles and from
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1:16:46 > 1:16:51The bearer party have their hats removed while they are carrying the
1:16:51 > 1:16:56coffin. There is an order to remove hats and to replace hats, which
1:16:56 > 1:17:06they've just done. The bear skin and the cap of the Royal Navy cap
1:17:06 > 1:17:15and the Busby of the Royal Horse Artillery with the red plume. The
1:17:15 > 1:17:25Busby traern bear scifpblt -- the Busby rather than the bear
1:17:25 > 1:17:30
1:17:30 > 1:17:40scifpblt The timing of the depart ture from
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1:17:41 > 1:17:46here is at 10.33. That is so that the journey up to St Paul's, which
1:17:46 > 1:17:51goes down Fleet Street to Ludgate Circus and up Ludgate Hill has been
1:17:51 > 1:17:55timed at exactly 19 minutes. The coffin will then arrive at the West
1:17:55 > 1:18:01Door of St Paul's at exactly the right moment. This setting off is
1:18:01 > 1:18:11very difficult. They set off and the music is played by the bands,
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1:20:44 > 1:20:51At stalk, the West Door, the Thatcher -- at St Paul's Cathedral,
1:20:51 > 1:20:57the Thatcher family arrive, Sir Mark Thatcher, his wife Sarah.
1:20:57 > 1:21:02Amanda and Michael Thatcher will be taking part in the service. Sir
1:21:02 > 1:21:12Mark Thatcher, who took his title from his father, who was given the
1:21:12 > 1:21:17
1:21:17 > 1:21:27bar net si. -- bar won't si. Marco Grass, the
1:21:27 > 1:21:37
1:21:37 > 1:21:47partner of Carol Thatcher, Lady In the meantime the procession has
1:21:47 > 1:21:47
1:21:47 > 1:21:55been going now for three minutes or so. On its way up past, it comes
1:21:55 > 1:22:02into Fleet Street, goes past the Law Courts. Goes past the Bar of
1:22:02 > 1:22:07the City of London, the entrance to the City of London. St Paul's
1:22:08 > 1:22:17Cathedral being in the City of London, the Lord Mayor will be
1:22:17 > 1:22:24greeting all the guests and the royal guests. There may be some
1:22:24 > 1:22:29shouts as this cortege goes past the narrower parts of Fleet Street.
1:22:29 > 1:22:34There may be some protests. They are not unexpected. Somebody said
1:22:34 > 1:22:39that Lady Thatcher herself would be surprised if there weren't protests,
1:22:39 > 1:22:45because she always liked an argument. Even in death she
1:22:45 > 1:22:55wouldn't expect people just to come round to her views and behave as
1:22:55 > 1:23:14
1:23:14 > 1:23:22The guard of the Royal Air Force on the left, standing at the present.
1:23:22 > 1:23:32They reverse arms as well as stand at the present. As the coffin goes
1:23:32 > 1:23:39
1:23:39 > 1:23:44past. They look down and there they go, back. This is the arms reverse
1:23:44 > 1:23:51position as the coffin goes past. They go into their heads boud and
1:23:51 > 1:23:54they will remain like that -- their heads bowed, and they will remain
1:23:54 > 1:24:00like that. It's a difficult position to hold. I was talking to
1:24:00 > 1:24:05one of the officers who had to do this. It is very easy to lose your
1:24:05 > 1:24:12orientation and get dizzy when you are look down at your feet. Very
1:24:12 > 1:24:16big crowds here on the way up to St Paul's. Peel filling the side
1:24:16 > 1:24:22streets. There was somebody here at 3 o'clock in the morning.
1:24:22 > 1:24:29Interestingly, quite a lot of young people in the crowds. Not people
1:24:29 > 1:24:36who knew Margaret Thatcher when she was Prime Minister. They have come
1:24:36 > 1:24:41here to mark this occasion, whether it is this very majestic ceremonial
1:24:41 > 1:24:47that's attracted them or the ideas that Margaret Thatcher had, or
1:24:47 > 1:24:52maybe it is just the notion of being part of a big national event
1:24:52 > 1:25:00which everybody's heard about. But the crowds are rather larger I
1:25:00 > 1:25:08think than people had expected. Now the route is lined by the 1st
1:25:08 > 1:25:18Battalion Welsh Guards. This part of the procession is dominated by
1:25:18 > 1:25:29
1:25:29 > 1:25:36the Welsh Guards really. What with Bill Mott, the garrison Sergeant
1:25:37 > 1:25:44Major, he is in charge of all the ceremonial, and his brother,. Major
1:25:44 > 1:25:53Mott behind. So far there've been no disturbances. The crowds on
1:25:53 > 1:25:59either side have been applauding. Behind, another detachment, the
1:25:59 > 1:26:04Scots Guards, role engineers, the Royal Artillery, Royal Navy, Welsh
1:26:04 > 1:26:14Guards, and what's called the escort party who march behind the
1:26:14 > 1:26:16
1:26:16 > 1:26:25coffin, to close off the rear, so to speak, of the procession. The
1:26:25 > 1:26:31Royal Marine band from Portsmouth moving seamlessly from one funeral
1:26:31 > 1:26:36march to another. The Royal Marine bands were also incidentally in the
1:26:36 > 1:26:46Falklands, so there is a pattern and a sense to all the decisions
1:26:46 > 1:26:51
1:26:51 > 1:26:57hear it, but while this procession is going on, every minute a gun is
1:26:58 > 1:27:07being fired from the Tower of London, using guns, two of which
1:27:08 > 1:27:18
1:27:18 > 1:27:22were used in the Falklands, but are Those of you who are of a military
1:27:22 > 1:27:28disposition will know that this is not a slow march as such, but a
1:27:28 > 1:27:37half-step, but is marching slowly. It is very difficult to keep this
1:27:37 > 1:27:42pace. It is quite a long stride, 70 paces a minute. It is timed to
1:27:42 > 1:27:52bring the procession to St Paul's at precisely 11 o'clock, in about a
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1:28:57 > 1:29:07Outside St Paul's we are waiting for the imminent arrival of Her
1:29:07 > 1:29:08
1:29:08 > 1:29:18Majesty the Queen. NATIONAL ANTHEM PLAYS
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1:30:21 > 1:30:27Mayor of London, precedes the Queen, holding a special sword
1:30:27 > 1:30:33called the mourning sword. It is only the second time it has been
1:30:33 > 1:30:43used in 60 years. It was carried at Sir Winston Churchill's funeral. It
1:30:43 > 1:30:45
1:30:45 > 1:30:49is a sword with a black handle. The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh are
1:30:49 > 1:30:57coming into this Great West Door, only open for ceremonial occasions,
1:30:57 > 1:31:07giving us this wonderful view from the centre of the Cathedral down the
1:31:07 > 1:31:30
1:31:30 > 1:31:37of St Paul's. And her presence here has been noted. She was a guest at
1:31:37 > 1:31:42Lady Thatcher's 80th birthday party. And she herself decided, it is said,
1:31:42 > 1:31:52to come here. The Archbishop of Canterbury was the last to greet
1:31:52 > 1:31:52
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1:33:39 > 1:33:49precedes the Queen. This is the Archbishop's Kaplan, the Archbishop
1:33:49 > 1:33:51
1:33:51 > 1:34:01of Canterbury, the Bishop of London, who will be giving the
1:34:01 > 1:34:11address. That is the Bishop of London, with the white mitre. And
1:34:11 > 1:34:36
1:34:36 > 1:34:41this procession with the coffin comes up to St Paul's. This is
1:34:41 > 1:34:48where, famously, the Duke of Wellington's verse could not get up
1:34:48 > 1:34:58the hill. It was different in those days. The whole thing was held up.
1:34:58 > 1:35:03
1:35:03 > 1:35:09The gun carriage is pulled by horses which are not Royal. Ever since
1:35:09 > 1:35:15Queen Victoria's funeral, the bodies of heads of state are traditionally
1:35:15 > 1:35:20pulled by the Royal Navy. There was apparently trouble coming into
1:35:20 > 1:35:24Ludgate Circus, a bit back from where we are now, with things being
1:35:24 > 1:35:29thrown at the horses, which has disturbed them. The horses are
1:35:29 > 1:35:32trained for that kind of thing and over the last weeks or so have been
1:35:32 > 1:35:39put through their paces, but if they are tossing their head a little and
1:35:39 > 1:35:43are a little uneasy, it will be because of that. But the riders with
1:35:43 > 1:35:47each pair of horses, their job is to keep them calm and steady and keep
1:35:47 > 1:35:57them going. We don't know exactly what the noise was down there, but
1:35:57 > 1:36:37
1:36:37 > 1:36:47something happened which has thrown, but flowers being strewn on
1:36:47 > 1:36:48
1:36:48 > 1:36:56the road. And that may frighten the horses just as much. Remember, at
1:36:57 > 1:37:06Princess Diana's funeral, flowers were thrown at the hearse. The Royal
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1:37:48 > 1:37:57Marines band is just coming up the West door and the steps of St
1:37:57 > 1:38:00Paul's Cathedral, where the guard of honour of the Welsh Guards stands
1:38:00 > 1:38:10facing the cathedral. There is a statue of Queen Anne, who was
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1:39:40 > 1:39:48sovereign when St Paul's was from St Paul's. The pensioners of
1:39:48 > 1:39:53the Royal Hospital, standing at attention. And once again, the key
1:39:53 > 1:40:03figure in this whole ceremonial, garrison sergeant major Bill Mott,
1:40:03 > 1:40:06
1:40:06 > 1:40:11giving the orders. The bearer party for the coffin, hats removed, now
1:40:11 > 1:40:21very gently lift the coffin of the gun carriage and will then carry it
1:40:21 > 1:40:27
1:40:27 > 1:40:31up the West Steps. In the Cathedral, it will be at the end of a
1:40:31 > 1:40:37procession, with the insignia borne by Michael Thatcher and under
1:40:37 > 1:40:47Thatcher, preceding their grandmother. -- Michael Thatcher and
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1:44:12 > 1:44:18chime and one softer time. One side With one minute to the service,
1:44:18 > 1:44:22with precision the coffin arrives here at the West Door. On the left
1:44:23 > 1:44:27is Amanda Thatcher, the 19-year-old granddaughter of Baroness Thatcher
1:44:27 > 1:44:31and Michael Thatcher her brother, stand with the cushions which will
1:44:31 > 1:44:39bear the insignia of the Order of the Garter and the Order of Merit.
1:44:39 > 1:44:49They will be laid on the altar just in front of the kaufpblt
1:44:49 > 1:45:13
1:45:13 > 1:45:18It is 11 o'clock. The congregation will stand. As the procession moves
1:45:18 > 1:45:24through the Nave the choir will sing the Sentences with music by
1:45:24 > 1:45:34William Croft, which are performed at many funerals and were performed
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1:46:49 > 1:46:59here at St Paul's Cathedral for I know that my redeemer liveth, and
1:46:59 > 1:47:09
1:47:09 > 1:47:17that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. And though
1:47:17 > 1:47:27after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see
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1:47:33 > 1:47:43God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not
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1:47:53 > 1:48:03another. We brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we
1:48:03 > 1:48:16
1:48:16 > 1:48:26The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away: Blessed be the name of
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1:48:26 > 1:51:07Apology for the loss of subtitles for 43 seconds
1:51:07 > 1:51:13The coffin is now laid on a bier directly under the Dome of St
1:51:13 > 1:51:18Paul's Cathedral, where it will lie during the service.
1:51:18 > 1:51:21The bearer party leave and in a moment the service begins with the
1:51:21 > 1:51:31Bidding, given by the The Very Reverend David Ison, who is the
1:51:31 > 1:51:32
1:51:32 > 1:51:37We come to this Cathedral today Margaret Hilda Thatcher, to give
1:51:37 > 1:51:40and to commend her into God's hands. We recall with great gratitude
1:51:40 > 1:51:46her leadership of this nation, her courage, her steadfastness,
1:51:47 > 1:51:53and her resolve to accomplish what she believed to be right for
1:51:53 > 1:51:57the common good. We remember the values by which she lived,
1:51:57 > 1:52:07her diligence, her courtesy,
1:52:07 > 1:52:08
1:52:08 > 1:52:14and her personal concern for the wellbeing of individuals.
1:52:14 > 1:52:20And as we remember, so we rejoice in the lifelong companionship
1:52:20 > 1:52:25she enjoyed with Denis, and we pray for her family and friends
1:52:25 > 1:52:32and for all who mourn her passing. We continue to pray for this nation,
1:52:32 > 1:52:37giving thanks for its traditions of freedom, for the rule of law
1:52:37 > 1:52:41and for parliamentary democracy, remembering the part we have played
1:52:41 > 1:52:48in peace and conflict over many centuries
1:52:48 > 1:52:52and in all parts of the world; praying for all today who suffer
1:52:53 > 1:52:59and sorrow in sickness, poverty, oppression or despair, that in
1:52:59 > 1:53:06harmony and truth we may seek to be channels of Christ's faith,
1:53:06 > 1:53:09hope and compassion to all the world;
1:53:09 > 1:53:17joining our prayers together as we say:
1:53:17 > 1:53:20Our Father, who art in heaven hallowed be thy name
1:53:20 > 1:53:23Thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven
1:53:23 > 1:53:29Give us this day our daily bread
1:53:29 > 1:53:31And forgive us our trespasses
1:53:31 > 1:53:34As we forgive those who trespass against us
1:53:34 > 1:53:38And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil
1:53:38 > 1:53:40For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory,
1:53:41 > 1:53:46For ever and ever.
1:53:46 > 1:53:56Amen.
1:53:56 > 1:54:07
1:54:07 > 1:54:16# He who would valiant be 'Gainst all disaster
1:54:16 > 1:54:26# Let him in constancy Follow the Master
1:54:26 > 1:54:27
1:54:28 > 1:54:32# There's no discouragement
1:54:32 > 1:54:38# Shall make him once relent
1:54:38 > 1:54:48# His first avowed intent To be a pilgrim
1:54:48 > 1:54:58# Who so beset him round With dismal stories
1:54:58 > 1:55:00
1:55:01 > 1:55:09# Do but themselves confound His strength the more is
1:55:09 > 1:55:18# No foes shall stay his might Though he with giants fight
1:55:18 > 1:55:28# He will make good his right To be a pilgrim
1:55:28 > 1:55:32
1:55:32 > 1:55:42# Since, Lord, thou dost defend us with thy Spirit
1:55:42 > 1:55:45
1:55:45 > 1:55:53# We know we at the end Shall life inherit
1:55:53 > 1:56:03# Then fancies flee away! I'll fear not what men say
1:56:03 > 1:56:07
1:56:07 > 1:56:17# I'll labour night and day To be a pilgrim. #
1:56:17 > 1:56:43
1:56:43 > 1:56:48Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord,
1:56:48 > 1:56:54and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God,
1:56:54 > 1:57:01that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
1:57:01 > 1:57:05For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
1:57:05 > 1:57:13against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
1:57:13 > 1:57:17against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
1:57:17 > 1:57:21against spiritual wickedness in high places.
1:57:21 > 1:57:25Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God,
1:57:25 > 1:57:30that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all,
1:57:31 > 1:57:39to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth,
1:57:39 > 1:57:45and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
1:57:45 > 1:57:54And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
1:57:54 > 1:58:01Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able
1:58:01 > 1:58:05to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
1:58:05 > 1:58:11And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit,
1:58:11 > 1:58:16which is the word of God:
1:58:16 > 1:58:22Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit,
1:58:22 > 1:58:27and watching thereunto with all perseverance
1:58:27 > 1:58:37and supplication for all saints.
1:58:37 > 1:58:41
1:58:41 > 1:58:41Thatcher's granddaughter, and now the
1:58:42 > 1:58:42the anthem
1:58:42 > 1:58:42the anthem hear
1:58:42 > 1:58:52the anthem hear my
1:58:52 > 1:58:52
1:58:52 > 2:00:41Apology for the loss of subtitles for 43 seconds
2:00:41 > 2:00:51# Hear my prayer, O Lord, # And let my crying
2:00:51 > 2:01:14
2:01:14 > 2:01:20Let not your heart be troubled: ye In my Father's house are many
2:01:20 > 2:01:27I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
2:01:27 > 2:01:31And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again
2:01:31 > 2:01:40And receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
2:01:40 > 2:01:46And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
2:01:46 > 2:01:52Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest,
2:01:52 > 2:01:57and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him,
2:01:57 > 2:02:02I am the way, the truth and the life:
2:02:03 > 2:02:12No man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
2:02:13 > 2:02:43
2:02:43 > 2:02:45# How lovely is thy dwelling place O Lord of Hosts!
2:02:45 > 2:02:55# For my soul, it longeth Yea fainteth
2:02:55 > 2:03:14
2:03:14 > 2:03:24# How lovely is thy dwelling place O Lord of Hosts!
2:03:24 > 2:03:34# How lovely is thy dwelling place O Lord of Hosts!
2:03:34 > 2:03:41
2:03:41 > 2:03:51# For my soul, it longeth Yea fainteth
2:03:51 > 2:03:54
2:03:54 > 2:04:04# For my soul, it longeth Yea fainteth
2:04:04 > 2:04:06
2:04:06 > 2:04:14# For the courts of the Lord;
2:04:14 > 2:04:24# My soul and body crieth out Yea for the living God
2:04:24 > 2:04:24
2:04:24 > 2:04:34# My soul and body crieth out Yea for the living God
2:04:34 > 2:04:35
2:04:35 > 2:04:45# My soul and body crieth out Yea for the living God
2:04:45 > 2:04:58
2:04:58 > 2:05:08# How lovely is thy dwelling place O Lord of Hosts!
2:05:08 > 2:05:14
2:05:15 > 2:05:20# For my soul, it longeth Yea fainteth
2:05:20 > 2:05:30# How lovely is thy dwelling place O Lord of Hosts!
2:05:30 > 2:05:34
2:05:34 > 2:05:44# Blest are they that dwell within thy house
2:05:44 > 2:05:44
2:05:44 > 2:05:54# Blest are they that dwell within thy house
2:05:54 > 2:05:55
2:05:55 > 2:06:05# They praise thy name evermore
2:06:05 > 2:06:20
2:06:20 > 2:06:30# They praise thy name evermore
2:06:30 > 2:06:48
2:06:48 > 2:06:58# How lovely is thy dwelling place O Lord of Hosts!
2:06:58 > 2:06:58
2:06:58 > 2:08:25Apology for the loss of subtitles for 43 seconds
2:08:25 > 2:08:26.
2:08:26 > 2:08:26. She
2:08:26 > 2:08:33. She became
2:08:33 > 2:08:42today, the remains of the real Margaret Hilda Thatcher are here at
2:08:42 > 2:08:49her funeral service. Lying here, she is one of us, subject to the common
2:08:49 > 2:08:56destiny of all human beings. There is an important place for the
2:08:56 > 2:09:00debating policies and legacy, assessing the impact of that core
2:09:00 > 2:09:08decisions on the everyday lives of individuals and communities.
2:09:08 > 2:09:15Parliament held a frank debate last week. But here and today, is neither
2:09:15 > 2:09:21the time, nor the place. This, at Lady Thatcher's personal request, is
2:09:21 > 2:09:28a funeral service, not a memorial service with the customary eulogies.
2:09:28 > 2:09:34And at such a time, the parson should not aspire to the judgements
2:09:35 > 2:09:40which are proper to the politician. Instead, this is a place fraud
2:09:40 > 2:09:46Marines human compassion -- for ordinary human compassion of the
2:09:46 > 2:09:53kind that is reconciling. It is also the place for the simple truths
2:09:53 > 2:09:59which transcend political debate. And above all, it is a place for
2:09:59 > 2:10:05hope. But it must be very difficult for those members of her family and
2:10:05 > 2:10:13those closely associated with her to recognise the wife, the mother and
2:10:13 > 2:10:19the grandmother in the mythological figure. Our hearts go out to Mark
2:10:19 > 2:10:26and Carol and to their families, and also to those who cared for Lady
2:10:26 > 2:10:30Thatcher with such devotion, especially in her later years. One
2:10:30 > 2:10:34thing that everyone has noted is the courtesy and personal kindness which
2:10:35 > 2:10:40she showed to those who works for other, as well as her capacity to
2:10:40 > 2:10:47reach out to the young and often also to those who were not, in the
2:10:47 > 2:10:51world eyes, important. The letter from a young boy early on in her
2:10:51 > 2:10:59time as prime minister is a typical example. Nine-year-old David wrote
2:10:59 > 2:11:05to say "last night, when we were saying prayers, my daddy said
2:11:05 > 2:11:11everyone has done wrong things except Jesus. And I said, I don't
2:11:11 > 2:11:17think you have done bad things, because you are the prime minister.
2:11:18 > 2:11:21Am I right, or is my daddy?" The most remarkable thing is that the
2:11:21 > 2:11:27prime minister replied, in her own hand in a very straightforward
2:11:27 > 2:11:33letter which took the question seriously, and she said "however
2:11:33 > 2:11:37good we try to be, we can never be as kind, gentle and wise as Jesus.
2:11:37 > 2:11:45There will be times when we do or say something we wish we hadn't
2:11:45 > 2:11:51done, and we shall be sorry and try not to do it again" . She was always
2:11:52 > 2:11:56reaching out. She was trying to help, in characteristically uncoded
2:11:56 > 2:12:02terms, I was one sitting next to her at some City function and in the
2:12:02 > 2:12:05midst of disk grabbing how Friedrich Hayek's Road to serfdom had
2:12:05 > 2:12:13influenced her thinking, she suddenly grasped my wrist and said
2:12:13 > 2:12:20very emphatically, " don't touch the duck pate, Bishop" . It is very
2:12:20 > 2:12:26fattening! She described her own religious upbringing in a lecture
2:12:26 > 2:12:30she gave at a nearby church. She said, we often went to church twice
2:12:30 > 2:12:35on a Sunday as well as on other occasions during the week. We were
2:12:35 > 2:12:40taught always to make up our own minds and never take the easy way of
2:12:40 > 2:12:46following the crowd. Her upbringing, of course, was in Methodism, to
2:12:46 > 2:12:52which this country owes a huge debt. When it was time to challenge
2:12:52 > 2:12:58the political and economic status quo in 19th-century Britain, it was
2:12:58 > 2:13:03so often the Methodists who took the lead. The Tolpuddle martyrs, for
2:13:03 > 2:13:08example, were led not by proto- Marxist but by Methodist lay
2:13:08 > 2:13:15preachers. Today's first lesson describes the struggle with the
2:13:15 > 2:13:19principalities and powers, and the perseverance in struggle and courage
2:13:19 > 2:13:24to beware characteristic of Margaret Thatcher. In a setting like this, in
2:13:24 > 2:13:30the presence of the leaders of nations and representatives of many
2:13:30 > 2:13:33countries throughout the world, it is easy to evoke get -- it is easy
2:13:33 > 2:13:38to forget the immense herbals she had to climb, beginning in the upper
2:13:38 > 2:13:42floors of her father's grocer shop in Grantham, through Oxford as a
2:13:42 > 2:13:49scientist and later as part of the team that invented Mr whippy ice
2:13:49 > 2:13:53cream, she embarked upon a political career. By the time she entered
2:13:53 > 2:14:00Parliament in 1959, she was part of a cohort of only 4% of women in the
2:14:00 > 2:14:05House of Commons. She had experienced many rebuffs along the
2:14:05 > 2:14:12way, often on the shortlist candidates, only to be disqualified
2:14:12 > 2:14:17by prejudice against a woman and worse, a woman with children. But
2:14:17 > 2:14:25she applied herself to her work with formidable energy and passion and
2:14:25 > 2:14:30continued to reflect on how faith and politics related to one another.
2:14:30 > 2:14:36In a lecture, she said that Christianity offers no easy
2:14:36 > 2:14:40solutions to political and economic issues. It teaches us that we cannot
2:14:40 > 2:14:48achieve a compassionate society simply by passing new laws and
2:14:48 > 2:14:56appointing more staff to administer them. She was very aware that there
2:14:56 > 2:15:01are prior dispositions which are needed to make market economics and
2:15:01 > 2:15:09democratic institutions function well. The habits of truth telling,
2:15:09 > 2:15:18neutral sympathy and the capacity to co- operate. And these decisions and
2:15:18 > 2:15:23dispositions are incubated and given power by our relationships, in her
2:15:23 > 2:15:33words, the basic ties of the family are at the heart of our society and
2:15:33 > 2:15:45
2:15:45 > 2:15:53make the right choices and to achieve liberation from dependence,
2:15:53 > 2:16:00whether material or psychological. This genuine independence is the
2:16:00 > 2:16:08essential precondition for living in another way beyond ourselves,
2:16:08 > 2:16:11the word Margaret Thatcher used at St Lawrence Jewry was
2:16:11 > 2:16:16interdependence. She referred to the doctrine that we are all
2:16:16 > 2:16:22members one of another, expressed in the context of church on earth
2:16:22 > 2:16:29as the body of Christ. From this we learn our interdependence. As she
2:16:29 > 2:16:37said, the great truth that we do not achieve happiness or salvation
2:16:37 > 2:16:40in isolation from each other but as members of society. Her later
2:16:40 > 2:16:48remark about their being no such thing as society has been
2:16:48 > 2:16:53misunderstood and refers in her mind to some impersonal entity to
2:16:53 > 2:16:57which we are tempted to surrender our independence. It is entirely
2:16:58 > 2:17:02right that there was a reference to the lifelong companionship she
2:17:02 > 2:17:09enjoyed with Denis. As we all know, the manner of her leaving office
2:17:09 > 2:17:16was traumatic, but the loss of Denis was a grievous blow indeed.
2:17:16 > 2:17:23And then there was a struggle with increasing deability from which she
2:17:23 > 2:17:29has now been -- De Bild from which she's been liberated. The natural
2:17:29 > 2:17:35cycle leads inevitably to decay but the dominant note of any Christian
2:17:35 > 2:17:42funeral service, after the sorrow and the memories is hope. It is
2:17:42 > 2:17:47almost as perplexing to identify the real me in life as it is in
2:17:47 > 2:17:54death. The atoms that make up our bodies are changing all the time,
2:17:54 > 2:18:04through wear and tear, eating and drinking. We are atomically
2:18:04 > 2:18:09distinct from what we were when we were young. What you nights?
2:18:09 > 2:18:14Margaret Roberts of Grantham with Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven. What
2:18:14 > 2:18:19constitutes her identity? The complex pattern of memories,
2:18:19 > 2:18:27aspirations and actions which make up a character were carried for a
2:18:27 > 2:18:34time by the atoms of her body. But we believe they are also stored up
2:18:34 > 2:18:39in the cloud of God's being. In faithful richs when two people live
2:18:39 > 2:18:45together, they grow around one another. The one becomes a part of
2:18:45 > 2:18:53the other. We are given the freedom to be ourselves and as human beings
2:18:53 > 2:18:59to be drawn freely into an evercloser relationship with the
2:18:59 > 2:19:05divine nature. Everything which has turned to love in our lives will be
2:19:06 > 2:19:13stored up in the memory of God. Further there is the struggle for
2:19:13 > 2:19:18freedom and independence. And then there is the self--giving and the
2:19:18 > 2:19:23acceptance of interdependence. In the gospel passage read by the
2:19:23 > 2:19:31Prime Minister Jesus says I am the way, the truth and the life, and
2:19:31 > 2:19:36that I am is the voice of divine being. Jesus Christ doesn't bring
2:19:36 > 2:19:42information or mere advice. But embodies the reality of divine love.
2:19:42 > 2:19:50God so loved the world that he was generous. He didn't intervene from
2:19:50 > 2:19:59the outside. He gave himself to us in the person of Jesus Christ, and
2:19:59 > 2:20:06became one of us. What in the end makes our lives seem valuable?
2:20:06 > 2:20:13After the storm and the stress have passed away and there is a great
2:20:13 > 2:20:20calm. The questions most frequently asked at such a time concern us all.
2:20:20 > 2:20:28How loving have I been? How faithful in personal relationships?
2:20:28 > 2:20:35Have I discovered joy within myself? Or am I still looking for
2:20:35 > 2:20:40it in externals, outside myself? Margaret Thatcher had a sense of
2:20:40 > 2:20:47this which she expressed in her address to the General Assembly of
2:20:47 > 2:20:56the Church of Scotland. She said, I leave you with the earnest hope
2:20:56 > 2:21:04that may we all come nearer to that other country whose ways are ways
2:21:04 > 2:21:11of gentleness and all her paths are peace. TS Eliot in the poem quoted
2:21:11 > 2:21:18in the service sheet says, the communication of the dead is
2:21:18 > 2:21:26tongued with fire beyond the language of the living. In this
2:21:26 > 2:21:34Easter season death is revealed not as a full stop but as the way into
2:21:34 > 2:21:41another dimension of life. As Elliot puts it, what we call the
2:21:41 > 2:21:51beginning is often the end. And to make an end is to make a beginning.
2:21:51 > 2:21:54
2:21:54 > 2:22:04The end is where we start from. Rest eternal grant unto her O Lord
2:22:04 > 2:22:06
2:22:06 > 2:22:12and let light perpetual shine upon The address by the Bishop of London.
2:22:12 > 2:22:22And now one of Lady Thatcher's favourite hymns. Love divine all
2:22:22 > 2:22:27
2:22:27 > 2:22:37lovers had compelling. # Love Divine, all loves excelling
2:22:37 > 2:22:49
2:22:49 > 2:22:57# Jesu, thou art all compassion Pure unbounded love thou art
2:22:57 > 2:23:07# Visit us with thy salvation Enter every trembling heart
2:23:07 > 2:23:23
2:23:23 > 2:23:33# Come, Almighty, to deliver Let us all thy life receive
2:23:33 > 2:23:42
2:23:42 > 2:23:52# Suddenly return, and never Never more thy temples leave
2:23:52 > 2:23:53
2:23:53 > 2:24:03# Thee we would be always blessing Serve thee as thy hosts above
2:24:03 > 2:24:08
2:24:08 > 2:24:16# Pray, and praise thee without ceasing
2:24:16 > 2:24:26# Glory in thy perfect love
2:24:26 > 2:24:27
2:24:27 > 2:24:37# Finish then thy new creation Pure and spotless let us be
2:24:37 > 2:24:42
2:24:42 > 2:24:52# Let us see thy great salvation Perfectly restored in thee
2:24:52 > 2:24:58
2:24:58 > 2:25:08# Changed from glory into glory Till in heaven we take our place
2:25:08 > 2:25:13
2:25:14 > 2:25:22# Till we cast our crowns before thee
2:25:22 > 2:25:32# Lost in wonder Love, and praise! #
2:25:32 > 2:25:37
2:25:37 > 2:25:47Let us pray.
2:25:47 > 2:25:59
2:25:59 > 2:26:01Let us pray.
2:26:01 > 2:26:03Man that is born of a woman hath but a short time to live,
2:26:03 > 2:26:05and is full of misery.
2:26:05 > 2:26:08He cometh up, and is cut down, like a flower;
2:26:08 > 2:26:14He fleeth as it were a shadow, and never continueth in one stay.
2:26:14 > 2:26:17In the midst of life we are in death:
2:26:17 > 2:26:23Of whom may we seek for succour, but of thee, O Lord,
2:26:23 > 2:26:29who for our sins art justly displeased?
2:26:29 > 2:26:34Thou knowest, Lord, the secrets of our hearts;
2:26:34 > 2:26:41Shut not thy merciful ears to our prayer; but spare us
2:26:41 > 2:26:51Lord most holy, O God most mighty, O holy and merciful Saviour,
2:26:51 > 2:26:54
2:26:54 > 2:27:00Thou most worthy Judge eternal, suffer us not, at our last hour,
2:27:00 > 2:27:06for any pains of death, to fall from thee.
2:27:06 > 2:27:15Like as a father pitieth his own children:
2:27:15 > 2:27:19Even so is the Lord merciful unto them that fear him.
2:27:19 > 2:27:27For he knoweth whereof we are made: he remembereth that we are but dust.
2:27:27 > 2:27:31The days of man are but as grass:
2:27:31 > 2:27:36For he flourisheth as a flower of the field.
2:27:36 > 2:27:42For as soon as the wind goeth over it, it is gone:
2:27:42 > 2:27:48And the place thereof shall know it no more.
2:27:48 > 2:27:52But the merciful goodness of the Lord endureth
2:27:52 > 2:27:59For ever and ever upon them that fear him:
2:27:59 > 2:28:06And his righteousness upon children's children.
2:28:06 > 2:28:11O merciful God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
2:28:11 > 2:28:12Who is the resurrection and the life;
2:28:12 > 2:28:14In whom whosoever believeth shall live,
2:28:14 > 2:28:20Though he die; and whosoever liveth, and believeth in him,
2:28:20 > 2:28:26Shall not die eternally; Who also hath taught us,
2:28:26 > 2:28:30By his holy Apostle Saint Paul, not to be sorry,
2:28:30 > 2:28:35As men without hope, for them that sleep in him:
2:28:35 > 2:28:39We meekly beseech thee, O Father, to raise us from the death of sin
2:28:39 > 2:28:45when we shall depart this life,
2:28:45 > 2:28:51We may rest in him, as our hope is this our sister doth;
2:28:51 > 2:28:57and that, at the general Resurrection in the last day,
2:28:57 > 2:29:02We may be found acceptable in thy sight; and receive that blessing,
2:29:02 > 2:29:06which thy well-beloved Son shall then pronounce to all
2:29:06 > 2:29:09That love and fear thee, saying,
2:29:09 > 2:29:12Come, ye blessed children of my Father,
2:29:12 > 2:29:18Receive the kingdom prepared for you from the beginning of the world.
2:29:18 > 2:29:22Grant this we beseech thee, O merciful Father,
2:29:22 > 2:29:26Through Jesus Christ, our Mediator and Redeemer.
2:29:26 > 2:29:31Amen.
2:29:31 > 2:29:38Almighty God, Father of all mercies and giver of all comfort:
2:29:38 > 2:29:43Deal graciously, we pray thee, with those who mourn,
2:29:43 > 2:29:45Deal graciously, we pray thee, with those who mourn,
2:29:45 > 2:29:47that casting every care on thee,
2:29:47 > 2:29:49they may know the consolation of thy love;
2:29:49 > 2:29:55through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
2:29:55 > 2:30:00O heavenly Father, who in thy Son Jesus Christ
2:30:00 > 2:30:10has given us a true faith, and a sure hope: help us,
2:30:10 > 2:30:13
2:30:13 > 2:30:18in the Communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins,
2:30:18 > 2:30:24and the resurrection to life everlasting,
2:30:24 > 2:30:31and strengthen this faith and hope in us all the days of our life:
2:30:32 > 2:30:37through the love of thy Son, Jesus Christ our Saviour.
2:30:37 > 2:30:47Amen.
2:30:47 > 2:30:54
2:30:54 > 2:31:04# In paradisum deducant te Angeli
2:31:04 > 2:31:10
2:31:10 > 2:31:20# In tuo adventu suscipiant te martyres
2:31:20 > 2:31:23
2:31:23 > 2:31:33# Et perducant te in civitatem sanctam Ierusalem
2:31:33 > 2:31:43
2:31:43 > 2:31:53# Chorus angelorum te suscipiat
2:31:53 > 2:31:59
2:31:59 > 2:32:09# Ierusalem
2:32:09 > 2:32:12
2:32:12 > 2:32:22# Chorus angelorum te suscipiat
2:32:22 > 2:32:26
2:32:26 > 2:32:36# Et cum Lazaro quondam paupere aeternam habeas requiem. #
2:32:36 > 2:32:36
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2:33:59 > 2:34:03I heard a voice from heaven, saying unto me,
2:34:03 > 2:34:07write, from henceforth blessed are the dead which die in the Lord:
2:34:07 > 2:34:11Even so, saith the Spirit; for they rest from their labours.
2:34:11 > 2:34:14Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God,
2:34:14 > 2:34:24be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
2:34:24 > 2:34:35
2:34:36 > 2:34:44# I vow to thee, my country All earthly things above
2:34:44 > 2:34:54# Entire and whole and perfect The service of my love
2:34:54 > 2:34:56
2:34:56 > 2:35:06# The love that asks no question The love that stands the test
2:35:06 > 2:35:08
2:35:08 > 2:35:18# That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best
2:35:18 > 2:35:18
2:35:18 > 2:35:28# The love that never falters The love that pays the price
2:35:28 > 2:35:38# The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice
2:35:38 > 2:35:40
2:35:40 > 2:35:50# And there's another country I've heard of long ago
2:35:50 > 2:35:57
2:35:57 > 2:36:06# Most dear to them that love her Most great to them that know
2:36:06 > 2:36:16# We may not count her armies We may not see her King
2:36:16 > 2:36:20
2:36:20 > 2:36:30# Her fortress is a faithful heart Her pride is suffering
2:36:30 > 2:36:32
2:36:32 > 2:36:42# And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase
2:36:42 > 2:36:50# And her ways are ways of gentleness
2:36:50 > 2:37:00# And all her paths are peace. #
2:37:00 > 2:37:09
2:37:09 > 2:37:11Go forth upon thy journey from this world,
2:37:11 > 2:37:15O Christian soul, in the name of the Father who created thee.
2:37:15 > 2:37:20Go forth upon thy journey from this world, O Christian soul,
2:37:20 > 2:37:25in the name of the Son who died to redeem thee.
2:37:25 > 2:37:35Go forth upon thy journey from this world, O Christian soul,
2:37:35 > 2:37:58
2:37:58 > 2:38:02Support us, O Lord, all the day long of this troublous life,
2:38:02 > 2:38:06until the shadows lengthen and the evening comes,
2:38:06 > 2:38:11the busy world is hushed, the fever o
2:38:11 > 2:38:18Then, Lord, in your mercy grant us a safe lodging, a holy rest,
2:38:18 > 2:38:28and peace at the last, through Christ our Lord. Amen.
2:38:28 > 2:38:35and peace at the last, through Christ our Lord. Amen.
2:38:35 > 2:38:38Now unto him that is able to keep us from falling,
2:38:38 > 2:38:41and to present us faultless before the presence of his glory
2:38:41 > 2:38:45with exceeding joy, to the only wise God our Saviour,
2:38:45 > 2:38:51be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever.
2:38:51 > 2:38:55And the blessing of God Almighty,
2:38:55 > 2:39:01the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit be with you
2:39:01 > 2:39:11and remain with you this day and always. Amen.
2:39:11 > 2:39:38
2:39:38 > 2:39:38The bearer party comes back up the aisle
2:39:38 > 2:39:38aisle and
2:39:38 > 2:39:38aisle and will
2:39:38 > 2:39:44aisle and will process
2:39:44 > 2:39:54aisle and will process again down the aisle. The insignia will be
2:39:54 > 2:40:04born, too. This time, not by the two granddaughters of Lady Thatcher, but
2:40:04 > 2:40:40
2:40:40 > 2:40:50their shoulders, the choir will sing the recessional, with music by
2:40:50 > 2:40:50
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2:41:45 > 2:41:55# Lord, now lettest thou # For mine eyes have seen
2:41:55 > 2:42:24
2:42:24 > 2:42:34# To be a light to lighten the Gentiles
2:42:34 > 2:42:41
2:42:41 > 2:42:51# To be a light to lighten the Gentiles
2:42:51 > 2:42:53
2:42:53 > 2:43:03# And to be the glory of thy people Israel
2:43:03 > 2:43:17
2:43:17 > 2:43:27# Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Ghost
2:43:27 > 2:43:27
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2:44:09 > 2:44:19# Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace
2:44:19 > 2:44:37
2:44:38 > 2:44:44# Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people
2:44:44 > 2:44:54# As it was in the beginning Is now, and ever shall be
2:44:54 > 2:45:02
2:45:02 > 2:45:12# World without end Amen. #
2:45:12 > 2:45:12
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2:46:18 > 2:46:18Paul's still half muffled ring Steadman
2:46:18 > 2:46:18Steadman Cinques
2:46:18 > 2:46:19Steadman Cinques as
2:46:19 > 2:46:29Steadman Cinques as the
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2:47:56 > 2:48:01Steadman Cinques as the coffin The crowd here applauding as the
2:48:01 > 2:48:08coffin comes down the steps, after pausing briefly on the platform
2:48:08 > 2:48:13between the two sets of steps. At the top of the steps Sir Mark
2:48:13 > 2:48:23Thatcher and Carol Thatcher, the son and daughter of Lady Thatcher.
2:48:23 > 2:48:26
2:48:26 > 2:48:30Behind her, two grandchildren. Her Majesty the Queen came down the
2:48:30 > 2:48:38aisle with the Duke of Edinburgh but is waiting behind as the family
2:48:38 > 2:48:43lines up to watch the coffin being placed back in the hearse before
2:48:43 > 2:48:53its journey to the Royal Hospital, Chelsea, watched by these Chelsea
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2:50:20 > 2:50:25Pensioners, 16 of them lined up on The Bishop of London and the
2:50:25 > 2:50:35Archbishop of Canterbury and Her Majesty the Queen just inside the
2:50:35 > 2:50:57
2:50:57 > 2:51:03West Door, watching as the coffin In effect the funeral is now over,
2:51:03 > 2:51:09as the hearse drives from here down the Chelsea to the Royal Hospital.
2:51:10 > 2:51:14The family have heard powerful lesson from the Bishop of London
2:51:14 > 2:51:20about their mother and her virtues and merits, and making distinctions
2:51:20 > 2:51:30between the person and the politics. The Order of Merit and the garter
2:51:30 > 2:51:32
2:51:32 > 2:51:36are placed with the coffin. The motto of the Queen's, of Lady
2:51:36 > 2:51:46Thatcher's garter incidentally is two words printed on the front of
2:51:46 > 2:52:05
2:52:05 > 2:52:14the funeral service - cherish Having arrived here by gun carriage,
2:52:14 > 2:52:20her coffin is driven away in the hearse down the route it came.
2:52:20 > 2:52:30We'll just watch it as it goes back down Ludgate Hill towards Ludgate
2:52:30 > 2:52:48
2:52:48 > 2:52:53The Lord Mayor of London on the right escorting the Queen down the
2:52:53 > 2:53:01steps in his flamboyant robes. The City of London very jealous about
2:53:01 > 2:53:05this being their part of the city. That's their privilege to welcome
2:53:05 > 2:53:10the sovereign when she comes here. Originally of course a sign that
2:53:10 > 2:53:20the sovereign wasn't allowed into the City of London unless the
2:53:20 > 2:53:22
2:53:22 > 2:53:28merchants of London wanted him. And then like at any family funeral,
2:53:28 > 2:53:36the conversation with the guests. The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh
2:53:36 > 2:53:46talking to the Thatcher family. Watching all of that with me here
2:53:46 > 2:53:46
2:53:46 > 2:53:50has been Peter Hennessy, professor of contemporary history, a big
2:53:50 > 2:53:55contemporary event. And we've been joined by Nick Robinson, the BBC's
2:53:55 > 2:54:01political editor. As we are watching these pictures, rot would
2:54:01 > 2:54:06you say, Peter, -- what would you say, Peter, about the event?
2:54:06 > 2:54:13brings out the gift we have as a country for rites of passage. The
2:54:13 > 2:54:18poetry and the music. We do seem to have, without wanting to sound
2:54:18 > 2:54:24self-congratulatory, naturals when it comes to this. Everyone stood as
2:54:24 > 2:54:32an individual on Mrs Thatcher and her ism. This is an extraordinary
2:54:32 > 2:54:39event. In a strange way she passes now into the hands of historians.
2:54:39 > 2:54:43Dr Johnson said. It is spwriging to speculate how the long --
2:54:43 > 2:54:47intriguing to speck lawsuit how the long view of history will regard
2:54:47 > 2:54:55her, but of one thing I'm certain, she will be there. The Queen and
2:54:55 > 2:54:59the Duke of Edinburgh get into their Limousin flying the -- into
2:54:59 > 2:55:05their limousine flying the Royal Standard. How well do you think
2:55:05 > 2:55:09this whole morning, of the ceremonial and then the service,
2:55:09 > 2:55:13has managed to bridge the gap between Lady Thatcher the woman and
2:55:13 > 2:55:20the family, and the Bishop was talking about, and Lady Thatcher
2:55:20 > 2:55:24the political activist who arouses such a confusion of opinion, with
2:55:24 > 2:55:28many people very hostile the very thing that's been happening here?
2:55:28 > 2:55:35had a sense that the Bishop of London wanted to do that didn't he,
2:55:35 > 2:55:41he talked about the gap between the mythlogical figure, the figure of
2:55:41 > 2:55:44the ism, Thatcherism and the real Margaret Hilda Thatcher. He said at
2:55:44 > 2:55:48times it would be difficult for the family to recognise the wife, the
2:55:48 > 2:55:51mother, the grandmother in the mythlogical figure. By he was a
2:55:51 > 2:55:55little more political. He didn't just remind us with some nice
2:55:55 > 2:55:59stories about the young boy who had written a letter to her at Downing
2:55:59 > 2:56:08Street that she had replied to, that she was once a scientist who
2:56:08 > 2:56:13worked on developing Mr Winy's ice cream. But he -- Mr Whippy's ice
2:56:13 > 2:56:17cream. But he went over the words, "There's no such thing as society"
2:56:17 > 2:56:21and said they were misunderstood. He tried to explain in terms of
2:56:21 > 2:56:31Christian thinking that was first and foremost individuals that
2:56:31 > 2:56:51
2:56:51 > 2:56:56Sir Mark Thatcher and his wife and the rest of the family. They take
2:56:56 > 2:57:03their leave. Behind in the Cathedral still that great
2:57:03 > 2:57:08gathering of politicians and soldiers. The great and the
2:57:08 > 2:57:14powerful, and then among them the two New Zealand women who looked
2:57:14 > 2:57:20after Lady Thatcher in her final years, Crawfie, her great, close
2:57:20 > 2:57:23friend, who was with her for a long time and really more intimate with
2:57:23 > 2:57:28her than perhaps anybody who has talked a bit about her and the
2:57:28 > 2:57:38jokes she made, but clearly knows what Lady Thatcher was like in
2:57:38 > 2:57:43
2:57:43 > 2:57:51those years. Cynthia Crawford is there in the centre, with the black
2:57:51 > 2:57:55hat. She toll a wonderful story about late one evening Baroness
2:57:55 > 2:57:59Thatcher said to her, you had better have a drink, I will have a
2:57:59 > 2:58:04gin and on the tick. She said, no, dear, at this time of night you
2:58:04 > 2:58:08have to drink whisky and soda. Very insistent. That was the moment that
2:58:08 > 2:58:13made suddenly the service laugh wasn't it, when the Bishop of
2:58:13 > 2:58:19London told a similar story about somehow she had taken his arm and
2:58:19 > 2:58:23said, "Don't have the duck pate, it is very fattening." Everyone can
2:58:23 > 2:58:28hear in that... There is Lord Carrington, a Foreign Secretary at
2:58:28 > 2:58:34the time of the Falklands and who resigned over the Argentinian
2:58:34 > 2:58:39invasion of the Falklands. One of the last truly honourable
2:58:39 > 2:58:43resignations. His memory goes back to Winston Churchill, the spectrum
2:58:43 > 2:58:47of Conservative Prime Ministers. David Steel and David Owen, the
2:58:47 > 2:58:51people who formed the alliance of Liberals and Social Democrats who
2:58:51 > 2:58:57which has emerged now as the Liberal Democrats. Sir Bernard
2:58:57 > 2:59:03Ingham leaning forward with the red hair. A staunch, stout defender of
2:59:03 > 2:59:10her, still is a vociferous, angry often, spirited Yorkshireman. He
2:59:10 > 2:59:15puts up with no nonsense than anybody. Any run-ins with him?
2:59:15 > 2:59:22didn't, but when we used to say, "Downing Street says" what we meant
2:59:22 > 2:59:30was Sir Bernard. He was a loud Eric o of Margaret Thatcher. And Charles
2:59:30 > 2:59:33Powell on the left, sitting next to the Duchess of York, Fergie, if I'm
2:59:33 > 2:59:39not mistaken. You can't mistake that hair. Charles Powell, his
2:59:39 > 2:59:46brother went on to be Tony Blair's Chief of Staff. He was foreign
2:59:46 > 2:59:51affairs adviser to Margaret Thatcher. Charles Saatchi last week,
2:59:51 > 2:59:54but hear that? Very good. I thought the most powerful image
2:59:54 > 3:00:00we've seen though is this extraordinary image of the monarch
3:00:00 > 3:00:04watching the coffin of a politician. If I may say, a mere politician, as
3:00:04 > 3:00:08it were, in British constitutional terms, being taken away. There was
3:00:08 > 3:00:11this debate about whether it was a state funeral. It wasn't. It was a
3:00:11 > 3:00:16ceremonial funeral, but it was an extraordinary sight to see just
3:00:16 > 3:00:23behind us on the steps of St Paul's the monarch waiting. Boris Johnson
3:00:23 > 3:00:32there sitting next to Michael Howard. Yes, it is interesting in
3:00:32 > 3:00:37that way. It is also a celebration of a politician by politicians. It
3:00:37 > 3:00:41was the political class who chose to have this service. It was they,
3:00:41 > 3:00:45not just the present administration, but Gordon Brown, who agreed to the
3:00:45 > 3:00:51gun carriage. And before that Tony Blair, who had all the arrangements
3:00:51 > 3:00:55across his desk. So in a way quite difficult for them. Every
3:00:55 > 3:01:04ambassador loves an ambassador and every politician love as politician.
3:01:05 > 3:01:09They wanted politics to be seen through Mrs Thatcher's life as a
3:01:09 > 3:01:13noble calling whatever you thought of the policies. It is a
3:01:13 > 3:01:23recognition that she changed the jet stream of British politics. It
3:01:23 > 3:01:33
3:01:33 > 3:01:42will never return... I think they There is Norman Lamont, who was John
3:01:42 > 3:01:47Major's chancellor of the exchequer. Dame Shirley Bassey. One of the many
3:01:47 > 3:01:55distinguished guests. The very recognisable figure of Jeremy
3:01:55 > 3:02:03Clarkson on the left. I think he is very sympathetic to her political
3:02:03 > 3:02:09point of view. Simon Weston, from the Welsh Guards. The Welsh Guards
3:02:09 > 3:02:19played a very big part here today, not only with Garrison Sergeant
3:02:19 > 3:02:19
3:02:19 > 3:02:25Major Bill Mott, his brother and also all the route line is that
3:02:25 > 3:02:32performed from the first Battalion Welsh Guards. And the guard of
3:02:33 > 3:02:40honour here. So, a last word about this. In a historical context,
3:02:40 > 3:02:44Peter? Well, more of Margaret Thatcher, her way of doing
3:02:44 > 3:02:49politics, her personality, will cling to the Velcro of our national
3:02:50 > 3:02:53collective memory than any other politician of recent times. I think
3:02:53 > 3:02:57we are very unlikely to ever see in our lifetimes and event of this
3:02:57 > 3:03:06sort. We may never see an event of this sort for a politician in this
3:03:06 > 3:03:10way. And yet, the essential sombreness of the occasion came
3:03:10 > 3:03:15through, the muffled bells. And to see the chancellor wipe away a tear
3:03:15 > 3:03:20from his cheek at one point, the Chancellor of the Exchequer. We all
3:03:20 > 3:03:23know if we have lost a loved one, we can't be sure if the tear was for
3:03:23 > 3:03:28Mrs Thatcher or for a personal memory that any of us could have in
3:03:28 > 3:03:32a service of that sort, but it was striking. But one note against that
3:03:32 > 3:03:36Ashby cheers from the crowd here. Again and again, they broke into
3:03:36 > 3:03:42applause as if to say after all this contention and debate, we are here
3:03:42 > 3:03:49to cheer you on your last journey. They are her friends and admirers. I
3:03:49 > 3:03:52talked to them. Anyway, thank you both the coming in. It was the
3:03:52 > 3:03:57leader of the opposition, Ed Miliband, speaking in the House of
3:03:57 > 3:04:01Commons, who described Lady Thatcher as a towering figure, and it is
3:04:01 > 3:04:04perhaps that word that best explains this ceremonial funeral we have seen
3:04:04 > 3:04:10today. Politicians of many parties, despite their political differences,
3:04:10 > 3:04:15have come here to honour what they consider to be and the public
3:04:16 > 3:04:20accepts is a towering political figure, one who still inspires mixed
3:04:20 > 3:04:23emotions, but who was Britain's first woman prime minister and
3:04:23 > 3:04:30dominated the political scene and was admired for that from around the
3:04:30 > 3:04:33world. President Obama paid tribute to the way in which, in his words,
3:04:34 > 3:04:39she showed Britain how to be at her best. But it is the politician
3:04:39 > 3:04:42rather than the policies that have been commemorated here. The policies
3:04:42 > 3:04:47will be the subject of controversy for many years to come, as all
3:04:47 > 3:04:50political policies are. But I think the one will forget the woman who,