:00:00. > :00:16.Chancellor. It is a very clear message from Nick Clegg — back the
:00:16. > :00:17.leadership over austerity. In just over a year's time, the
:00:17. > :00:21.people of Scotland will vote in a people of Scotland will vote in a
:00:21. > :00:24.Referendum which could change the UK for good. They will get the chance
:00:24. > :00:27.to vote yes or no to the question, Should Scotland be an independent
:00:27. > :00:28.country? This week, we will be examining the issues and this
:00:28. > :00:31.morning, five Live's Victoria morning, five Live's Victoria
:00:31. > :00:33.invited audience to debate invited audience to debate
:00:33. > :00:50.Scotland's future. Let us head back there. Who can help this lady? Could
:00:50. > :01:00.you get a remake of. I totally agree. We have spoken about so many
:01:00. > :01:08.stinking rich. The money we do not stinking rich. The money we do not
:01:08. > :01:10.spend on nuclear weapons will be spent to create a better society. I
:01:10. > :01:17.absolutely crucial. I have walked have got four children.
:01:17. > :01:32.The unemployment level is one —— the from the East End of Glasgow today.
:01:32. > :01:41.it is one in three. We cannot keep going on like this. I have never
:01:41. > :01:44.seen such a stark divide. Wealth and privilege on one side. I have
:01:44. > :01:53.canvassed in the Buddhist canvassed in the Buddhist
:01:53. > :01:59.constituency in Britain, barrel and. We need to vote for
:01:59. > :02:08.independence. Would you all agree that independence would help these
:02:08. > :02:15.children? For the claim of being pure and the code being unemployed,
:02:16. > :02:28.we cannot go on like this. She has moved. We want to give our children
:02:28. > :02:32.our future. I think the debate has been puerile today, there has been
:02:32. > :02:34.too much talked about money, but not enough talked about what we will
:02:34. > :02:49.actually do with it. Earlier on, we actually do with it. Earlier on, we
:02:49. > :02:58.had a gentleman, beer with me one second. Welcome back to those on the
:02:58. > :03:02.BBC News Channel. We have the yes camp, the no camp and the undivided
:03:03. > :03:09.and decided people in the middle. We have had a slight change of use to
:03:09. > :03:17.some. Some people have gone to the no camp, some people gone to the yes
:03:17. > :03:29.what I have here today, I think that independence is definitely the right
:03:29. > :03:42.way to go. I think what was just way to go. I think what was just
:03:42. > :03:48.England and the Welsh valleys. The children in poverty in the south of
:03:48. > :03:51.England and the Welsh valleys. The women who as a trade unionist, the
:03:51. > :03:56.trade union movement are fantastic for workers, what about workers in
:03:56. > :04:00.the south of England who cannot stand the Westminster government? I
:04:00. > :04:06.have problems with them and so do many people in the south of England.
:04:06. > :04:20.over each other. Lady over here. I over each other. Lady over here. I
:04:20. > :04:25.feel it has been one—sided. On the point of its tail poverty, the point
:04:25. > :04:30.is, do not take my word for it but the SNP 's word for it, why don't we
:04:30. > :04:33.would get the independent nonpolitical dose of Rowntree
:04:33. > :04:36.foundation, which has already said that all of the power to address
:04:36. > :04:39.tail poverty already exist in the Scottish Parliament. I don't health
:04:39. > :04:47.and education, read the report, I am and education, read the report, I am
:04:47. > :04:50.happy to send it to you. We have a Scottish government that is obsessed
:04:50. > :04:52.with the referendum and not in changing Scotland. I passionately
:04:52. > :04:59.believe we should change believe we should change tail
:04:59. > :05:04.poverty, —— child poverty, not to fight about who has power. I want to
:05:04. > :05:06.fix this not only in Glasgow but across the rest of the latest
:05:06. > :05:10.kingdom. We will do that better as across the rest of the latest
:05:10. > :05:11.kingdom. We will do that better as part of the UK. We
:05:11. > :05:24.movement. Clearly this is movement. Clearly this is
:05:24. > :05:26.unscientific. I want to answer our wealth, to —— who make
:05:26. > :05:30.point. My socialism does not end in point. My socialism does not end in
:05:30. > :05:36.Glasgow or Newcastle Liverpool. You socialism does not end in Dover.
:05:36. > :05:42.deacon in Scotland. I have in touch are trying to create
:05:42. > :05:49.with many in England who see us as something that will help them change
:05:49. > :05:59.something fantastic. Many people are independence mean that
:05:59. > :06:02.something fantastic. Many people are about changing flags, but I am about
:06:02. > :06:06.called James Connolly said that you called James Connolly said that you
:06:06. > :06:13.cannot just change a flag, you must change the system. That is what we
:06:13. > :06:17.will do. What we can do is we can change —— we can create a system, a
:06:17. > :06:21.beacon of progress that people then so can say, look out the trees give
:06:21. > :06:25.people fairer, with her progress of their society is. This will be a
:06:25. > :06:29.springboard for them to argue and create a better society in England
:06:29. > :06:38.and elsewhere. Let's give someone else a chance. My name is Katie, I
:06:38. > :06:43.am 16 and in school. I would like to make a reference, Labour does cut
:06:43. > :06:51.child poverty by a third in ten years, and you did not mention it.
:06:51. > :06:55.You had the time to mention it to all of these people and you didn't.
:06:55. > :07:00.That is the kind of passion we will see that will convince people to
:07:00. > :07:04.vote for the SNP. One of the main reasons I am undecided is, it you
:07:04. > :07:08.stood here and give me a solid argument and shook me some passion,
:07:08. > :07:11.Scottish and the thing that the SNP Scottish and the thing that the SNP
:07:11. > :07:16.and the Yes campaign are showing national pride and so far we have
:07:16. > :07:18.had nothing from the union to show that we feel Scottish and that you
:07:18. > :07:21.want us to want us to stay. It is the lack of
:07:21. > :07:25.passion that will make people move over. Is the Better Together
:07:25. > :07:30.campaigners were more passionate you would be in the cab? Labour have
:07:31. > :07:36.done so much good work for the country in the past decade and I am
:07:36. > :07:42.sure many people agree. The register tail poverty by one third. Do you
:07:42. > :07:51.The Mac can I address this, I did The Mac can I address this, I did
:07:51. > :07:59.say that Scotland have to child poverty across the UK. That is all
:07:59. > :08:06.last week, you and Nicola Sturgeon last week, you and Nicola Sturgeon
:08:06. > :08:13.bickered over silly issues but what you should be doing is speak to
:08:13. > :08:17.people and show them why you should be passionate about the union. I am
:08:17. > :08:21.from Northern Ireland originally, and live in Scotland and to, it
:08:21. > :08:25.matters I only business registered in England. Identity wise, I do not
:08:25. > :08:27.store where I fit in. You are store where I fit in. You are
:08:27. > :08:34.welcome here. The main reason I welcome here. The main reason I am
:08:34. > :08:38.on this side of the room is that having read the limited impartial
:08:38. > :08:40.advice I can find, the bottom line is that we do not know what we are
:08:40. > :08:41.voting for because negotiations voting for because negotiations are
:08:41. > :08:46.taking place after the vote. If voting for because negotiations are
:08:46. > :08:48.go in to buy something you know the price, you sit down and single seat
:08:48. > :08:54.a deal. We have no idea what we are a deal. We have no idea what we are
:08:54. > :09:04.entering into. From my point of view, the Yes campaign, there
:09:04. > :09:11.campaign is like a major sports brand slogan, just do it. We don't
:09:11. > :09:15.know what we are doing. On our friends point about we do not know
:09:15. > :09:21.the detail, will there be answers, how many actors will there be in the
:09:21. > :09:23.White Paper? That is up to the people to judge, if the answers
:09:23. > :09:27.sufficient. Mike we have some sufficient. Mike we have some
:09:27. > :09:34.movement here. From the undecideds to the yes. Tell us why you have
:09:34. > :09:39.moved. They seem to have a better argument that is for us, free
:09:39. > :09:42.education, jobs, economic security. That is really important for us
:09:42. > :09:46.because we are trying to have a future.
:09:46. > :09:48.that side but we are seeing one here that side but we are seeing one here
:09:48. > :10:00.which is what I feel passionate about. Is it utopian? We have some
:10:00. > :10:04.people who have moved to the Better Together. You prefer the United
:10:04. > :10:08.Kingdom to stay the United Kingdom. I am Mark, I am Irish and have lived
:10:08. > :10:10.in Edinburgh half my life. I have always been very Irish and always
:10:10. > :10:14.will be, that will never will be, that will never change. The
:10:14. > :10:22.this argument except being in the this argument except being in the
:10:22. > :10:26.English. —— anti—English.People might disagree with that but all you
:10:26. > :10:34.are doing is picking on everything that has ever gone wrong. I live in
:10:34. > :10:38.the Clinton —— I live in the country where this has happened. Is it worth
:10:38. > :10:43.dying for? Someone else has moved to Better Together. I am Slovakia and
:10:43. > :10:47.live in Edinburgh for one year. I live in Edinburgh for one year. I
:10:47. > :10:52.was not sure because I do not feel I have the right to have an opinion
:10:52. > :10:59.about independent Scotland. I started to feel that Scotland should
:10:59. > :11:05.be independent but the yes group were pushing too much and it's did
:11:05. > :11:11.not sit well with me at all. That is why I am here. I think that Scotland
:11:11. > :11:16.should be a part of Britain. Can I come back to Brian Taylor. The
:11:16. > :11:20.question about detail. When the people of Scotland vote in September
:11:20. > :11:26.the White Paper, the prospectus for the White Paper, the prospectus for
:11:26. > :11:27.independence. That is based on the 1987 Labour government when the
:11:28. > :11:32.advance the white advance the white paper on
:11:32. > :11:37.devolution. People voted on that. It had to go through the House of
:11:37. > :11:42.Commons. In 1997 it was a Labour government advancing a White Paper
:11:42. > :11:50.in the same Labour government was offering to Stewart through the
:11:50. > :11:52.Commons and the laws —— the Lords. The momentum created by the yes for
:11:52. > :11:53.the referendum carried through. the referendum carried through. This
:11:53. > :11:58.is different. This is different. This will be a
:11:58. > :12:00.prospectus and advanced by the Scottish government which they would
:12:00. > :12:03.then have to negotiate following that with the UK
:12:04. > :12:10.government. It could be the that if there is a sufficient vote
:12:11. > :12:11.for yes it would have similar must be negotiations. There
:12:11. > :12:20.momentum. must be negotiations. There
:12:20. > :12:24.the final product, either. I will the final product, either. I will
:12:24. > :12:30.give everyone a last opportunity. If you want to
:12:30. > :12:35.if you have heard something that has potentially help to make
:12:35. > :12:46.particular direction of travel, please do so now. Everybody sorted.
:12:46. > :12:50.you have moved. We are not as you have moved. We
:12:50. > :12:53.undecided as you were at ten undecided as you were at ten
:12:53. > :12:54.o'clock! She has moved in the o'clock! She has moved in the
:12:54. > :13:00.direction of the yes camp. I do not direction of the yes camp. I do not
:13:00. > :13:08.know if there are any seats left! I just feel, from my comrade over
:13:08. > :13:11.there, my sister, might seek union and socialist roots will never
:13:11. > :13:17.matter about whether it is a yes or no campaign. If it is yes and we are
:13:17. > :13:20.divided in England needs help, the Scottish Unite union will be down
:13:20. > :13:24.there like a flash to deal with that. It is not the divide like
:13:24. > :13:27.that, it is more about being brothers and sisters like we are
:13:27. > :13:32.within the union, I need answers and I need strategic answers from my
:13:32. > :13:39.Labour government, my Labour Labour government, my Labour
:13:39. > :13:42.you do not give us answers to you do not give us answers to
:13:42. > :13:43.anything. There is anything. There is nothing
:13:43. > :13:46.structured and that worries me. It structured and that worries me. It
:13:46. > :13:50.worries me a great deal that there is nothing structured from this
:13:50. > :13:55.site, winners of this side are giving me a structure. Not enough of
:13:55. > :14:00.a structure. The White Paper has not been released. Professors ——
:14:00. > :14:06.Professor Curtis, can I ask you about the time it? You have had the
:14:06. > :14:08.clear that the public out there in clear that
:14:08. > :14:14.Scotland are very engaged. A poll Scotland are very engaged.
:14:14. > :14:28.likely to vote. When the same vote in a general
:14:28. > :14:29.question is asked about the referendum, 70% or more people see
:14:29. > :14:34.the are certain to vote. People the are certain to vote. People in
:14:34. > :14:39.Scotland are engaged and are likely to vote. Given that this is the case
:14:39. > :14:42.it will be unlikely that there will be a deferential time—out, more
:14:42. > :14:46.people on one side than the other will bother, it looks as though most
:14:46. > :14:51.people in Scotland will avail people in Scotland will avail
:14:51. > :14:55.themselves of the chance to have a choice about independence. I would
:14:55. > :15:00.like to see that after years and years and years of the Scottish, the
:15:00. > :15:05.very sad Scottish mentality, my very sad Scottish mentality, my mum
:15:05. > :15:06.and dad voted Labour, my Gran and Glenda voted Labour, I will still
:15:06. > :15:09.vote Labour, people of Scotland are vote Labour, people of Scotland are
:15:09. > :15:13.rising up rising up and thinking for
:15:13. > :15:16.themselves. This is a vote for independence for the future of
:15:16. > :15:26.Scotland, for your children, your grandchildren and their children.
:15:26. > :15:27.Let this gentleman responds. I have a 19—year—old student and I would
:15:27. > :15:32.like to put this out that a lot of like to put this out that a lot of
:15:32. > :15:37.the arguments from the Yes campaign are over, we are Scottish and
:15:37. > :15:40.British, but here is a bit of news, you're still from the island of
:15:40. > :15:43.Great Britain even of Scotland votes yes. This thing, that you're
:15:43. > :15:47.Scottish more than British, you are Scottish more than British, you are
:15:47. > :15:57.British regardless. No one should base their argument on that. The
:15:57. > :16:03.gentleman with the microphone. I am Jim from Glasgow. I am proud, this
:16:03. > :16:04.girl wanted a motion, I am very proud to be Scottish and British. I
:16:04. > :16:11.see no reason for this. We have had see no reason for this. We have had
:16:11. > :16:17.emotional rhetoric over the without any substance. You were talking
:16:17. > :16:21.about intellect, I have yet to hear anything intellectual from the Yes
:16:21. > :16:25.campaign. I am not getting at the individually, but in general. I
:16:25. > :16:28.wrote to Alex Salmond asking him a whole lot of questions, everyone
:16:28. > :16:44.unanswered. I before anyone mentioned whiskey. I
:16:44. > :16:52.either campaign will detect the industry and the wants to know how
:16:52. > :16:56.Scottish whiskey industry and ensure its continued growth globally.
:16:56. > :17:01.have ten seconds. We have done this have ten seconds. We have done this
:17:01. > :17:11.as part of the Scottish government. I was in China, and we talked about
:17:11. > :17:12.this. Food and strength as tourism and renewable energy are other key
:17:12. > :17:20.industries. This referendum, it industries. This referendum, it will
:17:20. > :17:22.all be about living standards. Having good quality jobs. That is
:17:22. > :17:26.about ensuring a living wage is good about ensuring a living wage is good
:17:26. > :17:33.across the UK across the UK and we end
:17:33. > :17:38.blacklisting across the UK. At ten o'clock we had 80 —— eight people in
:17:38. > :17:46.the SNP people in Knowle 60 undecided. At one minute to midday
:17:46. > :17:52.we have yes, 84, we have no at 83 and undecideds are 53. Clearly not
:17:52. > :17:56.scientific. Give yourself a huge round of applause.