:00:08. > :00:13.Wales votes on May be. What difference will results make your
:00:14. > :00:31.life? Welcome to Aberystwyth and to Ask The Leader.
:00:32. > :00:37.We are live at the national library in Aberystwyth. Our audience is a
:00:38. > :00:44.mix of undecided voters and party supporters. As usual, you can join
:00:45. > :00:45.the debate, #wales2016. These welcome the leader Plaid Cymru,
:00:46. > :01:05.Leanne Wood. Our first question tonight comes
:01:06. > :01:10.from Lyn Evans. If Plaid Cymru were in power, would we see badger
:01:11. > :01:15.culling to help tackle the problem of TB?
:01:16. > :01:23.I don't think we can underestimate the devastation that can be felt by
:01:24. > :01:29.a farmer and a farmer's family when bovine TB is discovered on a farm.
:01:30. > :01:33.It is potentially a business ending moment when that happens. And I have
:01:34. > :01:39.met people who have actually given up farming because of this. Now, I
:01:40. > :01:45.don't come into politics as someone who is keen to kill badgers. That is
:01:46. > :01:49.the last place I would come from. But we do need to tackle this
:01:50. > :01:53.disease. Given that our farmers have been let down badly by the
:01:54. > :02:02.government in Cardiff Bay, and Labour, which has seen them ignore
:02:03. > :02:07.rural communities in many ways, and I think that, given that they put
:02:08. > :02:10.all their eggs in the basket of a vaccination programme which didn't
:02:11. > :02:16.end up materialising, they ran out of vaccines before the trial period
:02:17. > :02:23.could be shown to give results, then we do need to be prepared to look at
:02:24. > :02:32.this again. So I would favour a multi-option, multifaceted approach
:02:33. > :02:36.to tackling this problem, but I would allow all options to be
:02:37. > :02:41.considered, but we have to follow the evidence. It is difficult to do
:02:42. > :02:46.that when the trial we had in place was cut short. Did you get an
:02:47. > :02:53.answer? Not quite, but I think we are looking at the evidence. There
:02:54. > :02:57.wasn't any point having vaccination. You can't vaccinate diseased
:02:58. > :03:01.animals. If you look at the trials in England, where the culling is
:03:02. > :03:09.taking place, the science is showing that it is helping with the disease
:03:10. > :03:16.in England. So you want badgers to be cold? I do. I don't advocate
:03:17. > :03:24.killing badgers for no reason but, with the disease's life, that is the
:03:25. > :03:27.way forward. I would commit, if I was to become First Minister, I
:03:28. > :03:32.would regularly meet with the farming unions to make sure we were
:03:33. > :03:37.in touch with the latest developments, but we can't make sure
:03:38. > :03:41.-- we can't carry on in the next term of the next government without
:03:42. > :03:47.doing anything to tackle this. People are suffering. We haven't
:03:48. > :03:52.committed -- you haven't committed yourself to an answer. You haven't
:03:53. > :03:59.given a clear answer. I haven't ruled it out. Your manifesto talks
:04:00. > :04:06.about having a toolkit to tackle bovine TB. What is in that? Is there
:04:07. > :04:10.a cull? There could be. We want to see what the evidence tells us and
:04:11. > :04:13.we want to take a number of different approaches to try and
:04:14. > :04:20.tackle the problem and hopefully eradicate it. And culling would be
:04:21. > :04:26.part of that? In 2011, your party said that Labour halting the One --
:04:27. > :04:33.halting the cull was a slap in the face for farmers. We have seen
:04:34. > :04:39.incidences of bovine TB go up 27%. Doing nothing is not an option. The
:04:40. > :04:44.vaccination programme the government was pursuing, the vaccines have run
:04:45. > :04:52.out. We can't just hold our hands up and say, let's allow the animals to
:04:53. > :05:02.die of bovine TB. What has changed since before? You need to nail your
:05:03. > :05:05.flag to the mast. The cull didn't actually happen. The evidence hasn't
:05:06. > :05:13.changed. Surely you would be willing now will stop what Elin Jones did
:05:14. > :05:17.when she was minister is she looked carefully at the evidence. That is
:05:18. > :05:25.what we would do. The gentleman here first. I think the most serious
:05:26. > :05:30.thing is to deal with the farmers in Ceredigion and Carmarthenshire are
:05:31. > :05:34.going to the wall. As Leanne says, it is important to have scientific
:05:35. > :05:39.evidence in place before knee jerk reactions. That doesn't help farmers
:05:40. > :05:43.at all, to have politicised decisions all the time. It should be
:05:44. > :05:48.based on the science that is out there and the science should be
:05:49. > :05:53.listened to, rather than politicians pandering to one section of the
:05:54. > :05:56.electorate or another. I think it is commendable that Leanne is willing
:05:57. > :06:03.to listen to people and follow the science. I support what we Nevins
:06:04. > :06:09.said earlier. I know from first-hand experience the effect of cows being
:06:10. > :06:15.slaughtered when I was a young boy at home on my father's farm, and it
:06:16. > :06:20.is devastating. Nothing has changed, really. Nothing has improved. If
:06:21. > :06:24.anything, it has got worse. I am a lover of all types of animals and I
:06:25. > :06:31.don't want to see any being killed, but why is it right to kill Cowles
:06:32. > :06:43.losing their offspring, but not right to kill badgers? -- why is it
:06:44. > :06:48.right to kill cows. Do you want people to think that Plaid Cymru is
:06:49. > :06:54.in favour of a cull or not? Plaid Cymru is ready to tackle the
:06:55. > :06:59.devastating issue of bovine TB and we will look at all options in terms
:07:00. > :07:03.of doing that. I am not going to go all out for a cull badgers but I
:07:04. > :07:09.recognise that the livelihoods are at and, given the other threats to
:07:10. > :07:12.our farmers, like the potential pulling out of the EU and the
:07:13. > :07:18.uncertainty around that, I think that the farming community need some
:07:19. > :07:22.certainty with their government and they need to feel they have got a
:07:23. > :07:30.government that is on their side. Let's move on to our second
:07:31. > :07:34.question. IME minister of religion and many of my members are reliant
:07:35. > :07:40.on health care. I feel it is unfair that some have to pay for their care
:07:41. > :07:49.in residential and nursing homes and others don't. Will you change the
:07:50. > :07:53.system? Yes, we will and it is one of our key policies to end this
:07:54. > :07:59.artificial divide people find themselves in where, if you were
:08:00. > :08:02.diagnosed with, say, cancer, you would get support at home and you
:08:03. > :08:06.wouldn't have to pay for it whereas if you were diagnosed with something
:08:07. > :08:11.like dementia, the rules are different and you would have to pay.
:08:12. > :08:15.We have spent the last four years going around the country, speaking
:08:16. > :08:20.to people, asking them what their main concerns are. This issue of
:08:21. > :08:27.paying for social care has come out as one of the top concerns for
:08:28. > :08:31.people. We want to end that anomaly. It is an expensive policy, but we
:08:32. > :08:36.think it is worth prioritising, because the existing system is so
:08:37. > :08:41.unfair. I was speaking to a woman recently who is waiting for a dip in
:08:42. > :08:47.-- waiting for a big operation. She has been sat in a chair since last
:08:48. > :08:51.July. Her mother is 95 years old and she is in her home. There is no
:08:52. > :08:56.halfway house or intermediate care facility for that woman to go to
:08:57. > :09:01.while she is waiting for her hip operation. She was clocking up a
:09:02. > :09:06.place in a hospital before going back to her elderly mother. The
:09:07. > :09:12.worry about who would pay for the costs of covering that scare for her
:09:13. > :09:20.was something that was causing even more problems for her illness. You
:09:21. > :09:23.set an expensive policy. How much would it cost? You are offering
:09:24. > :09:30.abolishing home care, and free dementia care in five years. Have
:09:31. > :09:36.you costed it? Yes, and, by the end of this term, it would cost ?180
:09:37. > :09:43.million. The way we would fund that is, at the moment, our health budget
:09:44. > :09:47.has not been protected, and we want to ring-fence the health budget.
:09:48. > :09:52.There is additional money coming for health to Wales, and we want to
:09:53. > :09:58.ring-fence that for spending on health and social care. We also want
:09:59. > :10:02.to bring the two departments together, because so many people
:10:03. > :10:06.find themselves in a situation whereby health and social services
:10:07. > :10:12.are arguing about who is responsible for providing the care for people,
:10:13. > :10:15.and that situation isn't fair. If we bring those two departments
:10:16. > :10:20.together, we can create a system where the patient is at the heart of
:10:21. > :10:25.the service rather than the service being designed around the
:10:26. > :10:29.departments. The lady there followed by the other lady. I am pleased that
:10:30. > :10:36.you have said what you just said about that, addressing an agenda of
:10:37. > :10:41.equality and fairness, you said. Last year, and you as Nicola
:10:42. > :10:44.Sturgeon, on the same platform, a couple of really feisty women, and
:10:45. > :10:50.it was a pleasure to see you, but you indicated then that what you had
:10:51. > :10:55.was very much an agenda, a socialist agenda, a Socialist leaning agenda
:10:56. > :10:58.of fairness and equality being at the root of your policies. Since
:10:59. > :11:05.then, I have been disappointed with your performance. You have seemed,
:11:06. > :11:11.to me, to be toning it down and moving to the right. I just wondered
:11:12. > :11:15.whether that is what you are doing and whether you are needing to do
:11:16. > :11:21.that to appease the right wing of your party. That is the first time I
:11:22. > :11:31.have heard that put dummy! No, I mean, what I am trying to do... --
:11:32. > :11:35.put to me. I am trying to convey it that we have a programme of
:11:36. > :11:40.government that is designed to turn around our country's problems,
:11:41. > :11:43.particularly in the areas of health, education and the economy, and that
:11:44. > :11:47.is in response to what people have told us they want from government.
:11:48. > :11:55.This country is falling behind in so many areas. Our wage levels and GDP
:11:56. > :11:59.are far behind. At the moment, in your manifesto, you talk about
:12:00. > :12:05.efficiency savings of ?300 million to reinvest in the health service.
:12:06. > :12:11.Do you think there is wastage in the NHS? That is what people are telling
:12:12. > :12:18.us. Patients can identify areas where there is waste. Where is the
:12:19. > :12:21.waste in the NHS? If you look at the Carter review in England, which
:12:22. > :12:26.looked at efficiencies throughout the NHS, a number of things were
:12:27. > :12:30.shown. How much do we spent on agency nurses, locum doctors? How
:12:31. > :12:36.much do we spend on inefficiently procuring items for the health
:12:37. > :12:41.service, surgical waiting lists? These are all areas where, little by
:12:42. > :12:45.little, you can make small efficiency savings, but overall they
:12:46. > :12:50.add up to a huge amount. Can I make this point, the savings that we want
:12:51. > :12:57.to make in the NHS are to be put back into front line services to pay
:12:58. > :13:03.for 1000 doctors, 5000 nurses. Welcome to Aberystwyth. We have had
:13:04. > :13:08.a massive issue in this area, Mid Wales has got a massive issue. We
:13:09. > :13:12.have fought for many years to reclaim our hospital. For many
:13:13. > :13:17.years, we have had heavy bed blocking. It is common knowledge.
:13:18. > :13:22.Lack of nurses coming into the hospital. But the big issue hitting
:13:23. > :13:29.us now is we have a home here, which you must be aware of, and the flip
:13:30. > :13:34.of the coin is that, yes, the community has been fighting for
:13:35. > :13:39.dementia beds. We had one place that was supposed to do dementia beds
:13:40. > :13:43.with care. It had backing from the council but it never happened. They
:13:44. > :13:48.said they couldn't get trained staff. Now we only have one home for
:13:49. > :13:54.Aberystwyth residents to go into. That is now going private. It is
:13:55. > :13:58.going to go to dementia. So, as getting to that age now myself, it
:13:59. > :14:04.is a big concern. Where are we going to go? What is going to be out there
:14:05. > :14:13.for us? We have fought for about three years to get day centres in
:14:14. > :14:18.Wales as statutory requirements. The request went into your government
:14:19. > :14:24.but it didn't happen. Briefly, please. The key issue is about
:14:25. > :14:29.staff. We want to invest in our workforce and create 1000 extra
:14:30. > :14:32.doctors over the next two terms and 5000 extra nurses, because so many
:14:33. > :14:38.of the pinch points in the system, so many of the reasons people have
:14:39. > :14:42.to wait for A, for GP appointments, they are down to a
:14:43. > :14:47.lack of staff. That goes for the care sector as well. It isn't ideal,
:14:48. > :14:50.the way some of the services are developing. I understand that local
:14:51. > :14:55.authorities are not able to run dementia units and a dementia unit
:14:56. > :15:00.is needed, so a new configurations is required to run that. That is a
:15:01. > :15:04.very local and specific issue but I think, in general, the bulk of our
:15:05. > :15:09.problems in the health service are down to the fact that we don't have
:15:10. > :15:13.enough staff. We have got fewer doctors per head of the population
:15:14. > :15:19.in Wales than every other country bar three in the EU. We are going to
:15:20. > :15:24.go onto the next question. One last point on health, and then we will
:15:25. > :15:28.move on. Correct me if I am wrong, but part of the staffing issue is
:15:29. > :15:32.not being able to recruit people. A lot of people aren't interested in
:15:33. > :15:36.joining health care, which is a big shame. Other than funding, how are
:15:37. > :15:42.you going to encourage people to join the health care workforce? You
:15:43. > :15:46.are right, recruitment is a big problem, and it is a problem in many
:15:47. > :15:50.countries. We have looked at examples throughout the world, and
:15:51. > :15:55.New Zealand offers us a good model, we think. That is a small country
:15:56. > :15:58.with a big neighbour. They train doctors and they lose doctors to
:15:59. > :16:04.their neighbour, similar to what we have here. Some areas, it is very
:16:05. > :16:10.difficult to attract doctors. If we can incentivise them, if you work in
:16:11. > :16:13.this particular area for five years, after you qualify, we will pay off
:16:14. > :16:22.your tuition fees. Question three then. Will you and
:16:23. > :16:31.your party commit to a nuclear-free Wales? Plaid Cymru is opposed to
:16:32. > :16:33.Trident and we have been very clear on the case of opposing nuclear
:16:34. > :16:36.weapons. On the on the case of opposing nuclear
:16:37. > :16:40.power, that is a little bit more difficult for us. I will be honest
:16:41. > :16:44.with you - it has not been a straightforward question for Plaid
:16:45. > :16:49.Cymru. I am not personally convinced that nuclear power is the answer. I
:16:50. > :16:52.am not convinced it stacks up financially. I would prefer us to
:16:53. > :16:56.take more of financially. I would prefer us to
:16:57. > :17:03.approach. And we have got, in our manifesto, an aim to meet all the
:17:04. > :17:08.electricity needs, in as far as we can in Wales, which we consume, to
:17:09. > :17:15.be met renewably by 2035. That will not be easy to achieve because the
:17:16. > :17:20.subsidy... Can we stick with nuclear. You said in your manifesto
:17:21. > :17:24.- we will not support the development of new nuclear power in
:17:25. > :17:30.new locations - which is a brilliant fudge, isn't it? You are saying,
:17:31. > :17:34.yes, in Anglesey because our AM is Plaid Cymru because it is awkward
:17:35. > :17:40.for us and we want to safe the jobs... It is not because our AM is
:17:41. > :17:45.local to that area. It is a difficult issue on its own. The
:17:46. > :17:49.reason is because there have been 6,000 people employed on fairly
:17:50. > :17:54.decent wages. Those jobs are going to come to an end. And there has
:17:55. > :17:58.been no plan in place to replace those jobs. We have put all our eggs
:17:59. > :18:04.in the nuclear basket. There was a report out last week, which
:18:05. > :18:08.suggested that it may never go ahead - the finances might never, ever
:18:09. > :18:12.stack up. If it doesn't go ahead what happens to the people on the
:18:13. > :18:18.island who will then be out of work? We have to have an alternative jobs
:18:19. > :18:23.job. It is not a principled opposition to nuclear then? It is a
:18:24. > :18:29.pragmatic one? If the jobs are there it is fine. Everybody needs to have
:18:30. > :18:34.a job. If it is not those jobs there have to be other jobs. Have you had
:18:35. > :18:39.an answer? Kind of, but not one I find wholly satisfying. I admire
:18:40. > :18:44.your position on Trident. I agree. I think we need a principled
:18:45. > :18:50.opposition to nuclear power and Wales is uniquely placed for a
:18:51. > :18:55.renewables revelation. I think you agree with -- - revolution. I think
:18:56. > :19:02.you agree with me on this. The gentleman behind you? At the end
:19:03. > :19:06.of the month there is a camp to close down an open mine. I wonder if
:19:07. > :19:13.you commit to ending fossil fuels in Wales? We need to move on to beyond
:19:14. > :19:18.our addiction to fossil fuels and Plaid Cymru is committed to not
:19:19. > :19:23.opening any new open-cast coal sites in Wales and a plan to ending that
:19:24. > :19:25.reliance on fossil fuels. We want to make sure we don't have fracking in
:19:26. > :19:41.Wales as well. Can we pretend for a second that the
:19:42. > :19:49.UK Government's collectively vote to do away with Trident? Does this mean
:19:50. > :19:53.we'll all hold our hands up and be neutral like Holland did in the
:19:54. > :19:58.first and Second World Wars? Or Ukraine did? It is not feasible not
:19:59. > :20:01.to have a deterrent. There are more than 100 countries in the world who
:20:02. > :20:03.don't have nuclear weapons. I would prefer us to join that club than the
:20:04. > :20:16.one we are in. On the point with Trident, however
:20:17. > :20:20.we have not Ukraine are a world superpower. We are one of the
:20:21. > :20:24.strongest armies in the world. It is silly of us not to have a nuclear
:20:25. > :20:30.deterrent, if the United States has got it, Russia has got it. We are
:20:31. > :20:37.not a small nation - we are Great Britain - the emphasis on "great".
:20:38. > :20:43.That sounds last century to be, if I am honest. A point from the front
:20:44. > :20:50.here. I find thatry dickrous really to say -- that Ridiculous to say we
:20:51. > :20:54.are a superpower and will invest ?185 billion into something that we
:20:55. > :20:57.will never use, that is absolutely useless in terms of the future of
:20:58. > :21:04.this country. Far better to take that money and
:21:05. > :21:08.create real jobs. Let's invest it in steel.
:21:09. > :21:11.Let's invest it in the health service.
:21:12. > :21:15.Thank you very much. I will take a point here, then to the next
:21:16. > :21:16.question. I think that people need to realise that the British empire
:21:17. > :21:20.is dead. Thank you. That is all I need to
:21:21. > :21:34.say. OK. Pat Bates.
:21:35. > :21:39.Hello. Public spending in Wales is so much higher than the total
:21:40. > :21:47.revenue that we receive. So, I am wondering why Plaid Cymru is so hell
:21:48. > :21:53.bent on breaking up the United Kingdom for independence? I would
:21:54. > :21:54.ask you, Leanne, have you played this independence down for the
:21:55. > :22:05.election purpose? I want Wales to become an
:22:06. > :22:11.independent country. I see absolutely no reason or any
:22:12. > :22:17.inferiority about us as a nation that can't... Where is the money
:22:18. > :22:22.coming from? ?15 billion a year. What is the tax you pay back or we
:22:23. > :22:28.take back? It is way below the settlement. It is about ?6 billion
:22:29. > :22:33.isn't it? Roughly. We are like Greece, unless we have England
:22:34. > :22:38.playing th ed bankers and insurance men!
:22:39. > :22:43.The UK is in deficit. There is a big gap of money between what the UK of
:22:44. > :22:48.takes in and spends and the gap is substantial.
:22:49. > :22:54.Before you answer, public spending was ?38 billion in Wales 2014-2015.
:22:55. > :22:58.Now the money raised from taxes was ?23.4 billion. There is a bit of a
:22:59. > :23:04.?15 billion black hole. That is the question. It is a fair question. I
:23:05. > :23:07.think that's the reason why many people are not in favour of Wales
:23:08. > :23:12.becoming an independent country. They cannot see how we can close
:23:13. > :23:16.that gap. Plaid Cymru's manifesto is all about closing that gap. We have
:23:17. > :23:21.got a plan to do that in the short-term. And in the longer term.
:23:22. > :23:26.And look, whether you agree with wanting to become independent or
:23:27. > :23:31.not, surely you ask agree with me that the aim has to be to close that
:23:32. > :23:38.gap? Come with me on this journey to help us close that gap. I agree with
:23:39. > :23:43.you on anything. I am sure the English taxpayer would like Wales to
:23:44. > :23:46.get off their backs. We have been impoverished because of the system
:23:47. > :23:51.we are in. I want us to be able to be in
:23:52. > :23:54.control of as much of our economic levers as we can, so we can get to
:23:55. > :24:00.that point where we close that tax gap. I want us to be able to standen
:24:01. > :24:05.our own two feet. Sure -- stand on our own two feet. Surely you want
:24:06. > :24:12.that too? Thank you very much. You have made your point.
:24:13. > :24:18.Let's take some of the points. One thing clear - Plaid Cymru is not
:24:19. > :24:25.hell bent on going independent. That is a fact. If they were, we
:24:26. > :24:28.would be well down the road by now. Plaid Cymru has said clearly they
:24:29. > :24:31.will seek independence when the people are ready.
:24:32. > :24:52.Right, the lady there... SPEAKS WELSH Do you really believe
:24:53. > :24:57.Wales or Scotland for that matter or particularly Wales could survive by
:24:58. > :25:01.themselves? I don't. I I don't step that we can't. If
:25:02. > :25:05.every other country in the world is able to raise the taxes that it
:25:06. > :25:07.spends, why not Wales? Are you saying people here are somehow
:25:08. > :25:21.unable or incapable? Give us a figure then? You have done
:25:22. > :25:26.the sums. Wales will not be independent for many years. We have
:25:27. > :25:31.no idea what our economic position will be in the future.
:25:32. > :25:35.What I have said and Plaid Cymru has said every step of the way on this
:25:36. > :25:39.question, is we will go nowhere without the full consent of people
:25:40. > :25:43.in this country. Briefly on the timing here... On this programme a
:25:44. > :25:46.year ago, you said you want to see Wales independent within your
:25:47. > :25:52.political lifetime. Who knows how long that will be. What sort of
:25:53. > :25:56.timescale are we talking about? It will not be in the short-term. We
:25:57. > :26:01.understand that. In our manifesto we have put a target of closing the gap
:26:02. > :26:04.within a generation - that is a 20-year plan to close the tax gap
:26:05. > :26:10.between us and the rest of the UK. I think that is a good time frame.
:26:11. > :26:14.Next question from Don Thomas. Good evening.
:26:15. > :26:16.How is Plaid Cymru preparing for the possibility of entering into a
:26:17. > :26:19.coalition Government with another party? Could it be a coalition of
:26:20. > :26:32.the unwilling? We are not preparing for a coalition
:26:33. > :26:35.Government. I want there to be a Plaid Cymru Government after the
:26:36. > :26:40.next election. I don't want there to be a
:26:41. > :26:44.coalition. I don't want there to be a Labour Government. I think we have
:26:45. > :26:50.had Labour leading the Government in Wales for 17 years. They have not
:26:51. > :26:55.done a great job. And there are a very few countries within the world,
:26:56. > :26:59.very few democracies that have the same party running the Government
:27:00. > :27:03.for that length of time. Look at the outcomes in terms of the economy,
:27:04. > :27:07.for people waiting for diagnostic tests for cancer in the health
:27:08. > :27:12.service. Look at the results where we stand in education. Would you do
:27:13. > :27:16.a deal with Labour again? Well, I have ruled out doing a deal with the
:27:17. > :27:22.Conservatives. I cannot see anyway we could do any kind of working
:27:23. > :27:29.arrangement with Ukip. But apart from that... All other options are
:27:30. > :27:34.open. Despite them calling you a cheap date recently. That is
:27:35. > :27:37.irrelevant. Could you do a deal with somebody who talks like that about
:27:38. > :27:41.your party? I have spent the last four years with my team, my
:27:42. > :27:44.excellent team, going about the country, speaking to people,
:27:45. > :27:47.building a programme of Government to transform a nation.
:27:48. > :27:52.That is what I want to put out to people and I don't think it is
:27:53. > :27:57.helpful to spend all the time before the election talking about what
:27:58. > :28:03.deals we might or might not do after the election. The whole point of an
:28:04. > :28:07.election is that people get to have their say.
:28:08. > :28:22.What is your attitude to Welsh... To the speaking people. You have learnt
:28:23. > :28:27.the language love and that is well to you. The last ten seconds of the
:28:28. > :28:34.programme. I am an English-speaking Welsh person who is learning Welsh.
:28:35. > :28:38.Everyone who lives in Wales is a citizen and has a place in the
:28:39. > :28:41.future of our country. Thank you to our audience here. By
:28:42. > :28:47.the way if you missed any of our debates this week you can catch up
:28:48. > :28:56.all the main party leaders on the iPlayer. Tomorrow join me with Jones
:28:57. > :29:01.and another audience in Ask The Leader. Good night. Nos da.