:00:07. > :00:33.This is Ask The Leader. Welcome to Llangollen.
:00:34. > :00:40.Across the country this week, Welsh party leaders have faced your
:00:41. > :00:46.questions as they fight to win in May's election. Tonight, we are live
:00:47. > :00:52.in Llangollen, with undecided voters and party supporters. Join the
:00:53. > :00:53.debate, #wales2016. Please welcome the leader of Welsh Labour, Carwyn
:00:54. > :01:16.Jones. Our first question tonight comes
:01:17. > :01:20.from Laura Davies. Good evening. My question to you is, why did you
:01:21. > :01:24.screw up the NHS in Wales? APPLAUSE
:01:25. > :01:31.Let me give you as full and answer as I can. Our budget was cut by 10%
:01:32. > :01:35.by the Conservative government. Despite that, we spend more on
:01:36. > :01:43.health than ever before. 42% of our budget at the start of 2011. The
:01:44. > :01:46.health service is staffed by fantastic people, doctors, nurses
:01:47. > :01:51.and health professionals, and they deserve our support and our
:01:52. > :01:55.recognition this evening. We know that in the health service most
:01:56. > :02:00.people get a good service most of the time. Sometimes it doesn't
:02:01. > :02:10.happen that way. As soon as we know there is a problem, we take action.
:02:11. > :02:15.One place went into special measures while you were in charge. We saw an
:02:16. > :02:18.organisation that lost the confidence of people locally. We
:02:19. > :02:22.took it over, put it into special measures, made sure the maternity
:02:23. > :02:26.unit was dealt with. We are investing in a new neonatal unit as
:02:27. > :02:36.well. And we will make sure that it works to re-gain the confidence of
:02:37. > :02:40.people. The health board went into special measures, meaning you
:02:41. > :02:45.stepped in as a government. You are now in control. When do you think it
:02:46. > :02:49.is good enough to hand it back? It is not in a position to be handed
:02:50. > :02:54.back until I am satisfied it has re-gain the confidence of local
:02:55. > :02:59.people. It lost that confidence. That is quite an indictment, isn't
:03:00. > :03:02.it? Local health boards are there to deliver services. We are there to
:03:03. > :03:06.make sure when they are not delivering to the satisfaction of
:03:07. > :03:15.local people, that they are put in a position where they start to
:03:16. > :03:21.deliver. We are seeing that with Betsi. We spend more per head on
:03:22. > :03:24.health in Wales than England does. Put it together with health and
:03:25. > :03:31.social services, and these are the Treasury figures, 7% more. We can
:03:32. > :03:37.trade figures, because it is less than Scotland and Northern Ireland.
:03:38. > :03:41.Let's take some points from here. As a retired GP, I would like to know
:03:42. > :03:48.what you are going to do to address the GP recruitment crisis in North
:03:49. > :03:56.and South Wales. Another one. Down the front. Both from the GP and the
:03:57. > :04:00.hospital doctor situation, all of the parties seem to want to appoint
:04:01. > :04:06.or doctors. Part of your problem, a major part of your problem, is going
:04:07. > :04:13.to be that you do not have the personnel, UK- wide, to do that. And
:04:14. > :04:18.then if you appoint extra doctors, you are not paying just for the
:04:19. > :04:23.doctors, but all the costs of the staffing, all of the specialties,
:04:24. > :04:30.including GPs. Two points on recruitment. We have more GPs now
:04:31. > :04:36.than in 99. But the issue you are repairing to is what happened with
:04:37. > :04:41.Prestatyn. The two GP's surgeries decided to stop providing a service
:04:42. > :04:45.to local people. That service is now wider and better than before. Part
:04:46. > :04:48.of a problem, you hit the nail on the head, you can have more doctors
:04:49. > :04:55.but you need to make sure people do not just default to a GP or A all
:04:56. > :05:00.the time. Go to a pharmacist first, then a GP practice nurse, and then
:05:01. > :05:04.think about AGP. It is not just about increasing the number of GPs
:05:05. > :05:08.but sure that GPs are not seeing people who do not need to see them,
:05:09. > :05:12.making sure they go to pharmacies or nurses, taking pressure off GPs.
:05:13. > :05:16.More doctors is one answer, but making sure people choose the right
:05:17. > :05:27.place to go first is important. Let's take as many... It was you
:05:28. > :05:32.that closed it, because the buck was passed to you. You closed hospitals
:05:33. > :05:37.locally and if you had not we would not have had the bed blocking and
:05:38. > :05:42.the ambulance queues. Respond to that point. We are not in a health
:05:43. > :05:46.service now where we want to put people in hospital. We want to get
:05:47. > :05:49.them out of hospital, so we have invested in the intermediate care
:05:50. > :05:52.fund, so people who are ready to come out are not sitting in hospital
:05:53. > :05:59.but can come out with support from the local community. You mentioned
:06:00. > :06:04.nowhere to go... The first thing you do is go and see a pharmacist. The
:06:05. > :06:08.second thing is to see a GP practice nurse. Pharmacists are clinically
:06:09. > :06:16.trained. Go and see a pharmacist, then go and see a GP. Thank you. The
:06:17. > :06:22.lady in the front. We are talking about the NHS in Wales struggling.
:06:23. > :06:25.Although acute care is good, what plans are in your manifesto to
:06:26. > :06:30.prioritise the health of the people of Wales and its ongoing
:06:31. > :06:34.rehabilitation after accident or illness for civilians going to be
:06:35. > :06:40.the same quality of services as per example the MOD are providing at
:06:41. > :06:45.Headley Court? First Minister, every time you bring
:06:46. > :06:49.up NHS funding your default answer is to bring up Westminster. Although
:06:50. > :06:54.the Welsh budget has been cut, it has only been cut in real terms. It
:06:55. > :06:58.has risen in nominal terms. Your party has cut the NHS in both real
:06:59. > :07:01.terms and in nominal terms. APPLAUSE
:07:02. > :07:11.Schlein our budget has been cut by 10% by the Conservative government
:07:12. > :07:16.in the UK. They except that. We have increased health spending in real
:07:17. > :07:22.terms by 1%. In the context of that cut, it is important. We still spend
:07:23. > :07:29.more per head than England. You did not do that in the early years.
:07:30. > :07:34.Between 2010-13, you cut spending. We did not cut spending, we kept it
:07:35. > :07:38.level and then increased it. Compared to England, it did not rise
:07:39. > :07:43.in real terms, and you are playing catch up at the moment. We have
:07:44. > :07:47.invested heavily in health, as people would expect. We want to
:07:48. > :07:55.bring forward a new treatment fund, ?80 million, which will mean when
:07:56. > :07:57.people have life-threatening conditions, including cancer, they
:07:58. > :07:59.will have access to approved drugs and treatments as soon as possible.
:08:00. > :08:05.We want to make sure people have access to new drugs as they are
:08:06. > :08:10.approved. Please answer that question and then to the lady Ian
:08:11. > :08:14.White. One way to ensure better rehabilitation is to make sure that
:08:15. > :08:17.services are available in one place. If you look at health centres being
:08:18. > :08:21.built across Wales, you will find all of the health professionals are
:08:22. > :08:24.in that one place, not going from one building to the next to see
:08:25. > :08:27.different people. It is important that people can come out of hospital
:08:28. > :08:31.with the right level of support but also that they can access the
:08:32. > :08:34.services they need in one place, and that is what health centres deliver,
:08:35. > :08:43.which is what we want to roll out across Wales.
:08:44. > :08:47.For years, the health service was built on the basis that you go to
:08:48. > :08:52.hospital for treatment. Most people do not want to. If they can stay at
:08:53. > :08:58.home with support, great. A point from the lady in white. I want to
:08:59. > :09:07.speak from experience because I know we have issues with the NHS,
:09:08. > :09:12.especially in Betsi Cadwaldr. It is very much the demand. My experience
:09:13. > :09:15.of how the NHS work for me was 12 months ago last October, my daughter
:09:16. > :09:20.fell ill. They found a mass. I was impressed with how quickly they
:09:21. > :09:27.worked across border with all the hay. There are good stories with
:09:28. > :09:31.regard to how the NHS provides specialist care, and I think we are
:09:32. > :09:35.losing that in the narrative. So a positive point. We are coming to the
:09:36. > :09:36.end of this question and that is a good place to end.
:09:37. > :09:44.APPLAUSE We go on to question two. Mike
:09:45. > :09:51.Evans. Hello, First Minister. Good evening. 17 years on from the
:09:52. > :09:57.establishment of the Welsh Assembly, for many people in North Wales, the
:09:58. > :09:59.Cardiff continues to feel Morimoto than Westminster. Wider you think
:10:00. > :10:05.that is? APPLAUSE
:10:06. > :10:11.Cardiff continues to feel more remote. I know this is a perception
:10:12. > :10:16.and it was there before the Assembly was set up. If you look at the
:10:17. > :10:20.ministries in the Welsh government there are four to represent all or
:10:21. > :10:24.part of North Wales. That is four more than exist in the UK Government
:10:25. > :10:32.representing the North of Wales. Further investments have taken
:10:33. > :10:33.place. We lobbied for lots of jobs coming into Anglesey, looking at a
:10:34. > :10:39.new crossing which will be coming into Anglesey, looking at a
:10:40. > :10:43.important, going further east, supporting services in Snowdonia.
:10:44. > :10:47.Over ?30 million will be put into the seafront to redevelop that. A
:10:48. > :10:50.new high school opened this week which would not have opened in
:10:51. > :10:55.England because they do not hold schools. That is important. If you
:10:56. > :11:02.look at what we have done with the new neonatal unit, again, coming
:11:03. > :11:09.further east you have investment in the A55. A lot of investment is
:11:10. > :11:13.needed on that. You must hear that all the time, Carwyn Jones. I don't
:11:14. > :11:19.think you will ever get away from it but I am giving examples of what has
:11:20. > :11:24.been done across the North. Today we have announced the North Wales
:11:25. > :11:33.Metro, making sure we have better public transport across the whole of
:11:34. > :11:37.the north-east Wales. Thank you. What happens with politicians, they
:11:38. > :11:42.point to investment. The point of the question was that there is a
:11:43. > :11:45.disconnect when we try to tell the Assembly what is going on. Going
:11:46. > :11:48.back to health, we would have expected that some of the decisions
:11:49. > :11:53.that were made, that were bad decisions that we are paying the
:11:54. > :11:56.price of, that would have fed back to Cardiff easier than to
:11:57. > :12:02.Westminster. That was the point I was trying to make.
:12:03. > :12:11.We have to feel better connected to the northern powerhouse than we ever
:12:12. > :12:15.will to Cardiff. The lady in red. What do you feel the northern
:12:16. > :12:18.powerhouse will bring to North Wales? How do you think it will
:12:19. > :12:24.improve people's perception of the difference in investment? This is
:12:25. > :12:31.George Osborne's idea about the North of England. Should it be
:12:32. > :12:34.joined to North Wales? I do not see it as a competitor. I think it's
:12:35. > :12:36.joined to North Wales? I do not see important that we link it as one
:12:37. > :12:40.economic area so everybody can benefit. We have launched the North
:12:41. > :12:45.Wales Metro, making it easier for people to travel to jobs and for
:12:46. > :12:49.investment to come in. We have seen the map today. I don't know if
:12:50. > :12:55.anybody else has seen it, but what does it mean? It means you have
:12:56. > :12:59.better, faster, more frequent rail services. You have bus services that
:13:00. > :13:05.link with rail services we lost in the 1980s. And looking at rail
:13:06. > :13:08.connections to communities across the North. You are talking about a
:13:09. > :13:15.Metro summit within 100 days of taking office. But 17 years, why no
:13:16. > :13:22.metro before now? And how much will it cost? One of the ways in which we
:13:23. > :13:25.can help pay for it is via city deal, which has been on the table
:13:26. > :13:31.before, and we can take that forward. The big difference is that
:13:32. > :13:36.from 2018 we control the rail franchise, so it gives control over
:13:37. > :13:40.the railways, and we never controlled the buses, and that will
:13:41. > :13:43.change as well. Now we have the powers we need to create a transport
:13:44. > :13:49.system that the people deserve. Cost and time scale? Hundreds of
:13:50. > :13:52.millions, and we will have a final idea once the summit has taken place
:13:53. > :13:57.and once we know how quickly it can be rolled out. Is it a difficult
:13:58. > :14:03.journey for you to get up here today? Because it is difficult for
:14:04. > :14:09.us to get to Cardiff. I do not live in Cardiff. Back is 99 when the
:14:10. > :14:13.Assembly was set up, there was no north- south transit. You would wait
:14:14. > :14:17.half an hour minimum in Shrewsbury. Now there is a two our service
:14:18. > :14:28.direct, between Cardiff Central and Holyhead. So the rail service has
:14:29. > :14:32.improved. Holyhead, it is true, is further away. We cannot overturn
:14:33. > :14:35.things that have happened in the past overnight. The roads are
:14:36. > :14:43.important. We cannot build a jewel carriageway north- south. We have
:14:44. > :14:46.improved the A470. And we have put money into the rail service. And we
:14:47. > :14:51.have seen more and more people using the rail service than ever. Why is
:14:52. > :14:55.there no jewel carriageway between North and South? Could it be
:14:56. > :14:59.improved? We would put all our money into that, and we would not be able
:15:00. > :15:06.to put money into the A55, for example.
:15:07. > :15:14.Some would argue you are putting it all into the M4. The M4 is the
:15:15. > :15:19.biggest traffic problem we have but if we didn't borrow the money, that
:15:20. > :15:23.money would have to come out of the general roads fund, which would
:15:24. > :15:26.affect the rest of Wales. We can leave the roads budget to pay for
:15:27. > :15:33.everything else in Wales and use one pot to pay for one project. Lots of
:15:34. > :15:41.hands up. Starting with you. How much will it cost, this Mfor? If we
:15:42. > :15:45.can take them in a group. I assume we will be getting all of the
:15:46. > :15:52.costings in your manifesto, when you cant be bothered to bring it out?
:15:53. > :15:56.For a Welsh government, shouldn't a northern powerhouse mean north-east
:15:57. > :16:05.Wales and north Wales together was to mark the lady here in the scarf.
:16:06. > :16:11.Could you address the issue by appointing a minister for north
:16:12. > :16:15.Wales? I have four ministers to represent north Wales. We want to
:16:16. > :16:19.make sure we continue with the improvement in the road and rail
:16:20. > :16:23.networks. That is important. It is right to mention the north-west,
:16:24. > :16:29.because we want to make sure that the Metro rolls out there. What I
:16:30. > :16:33.want to see is a situation where we continue to improve transport links,
:16:34. > :16:39.that's important, broadband, that's another one. 96% of premises in
:16:40. > :16:45.Wales have access to superfast broadband. That wouldn't have
:16:46. > :16:49.happened without the Assembly. That connects communities in a way that
:16:50. > :16:55.the rail lines did in the 19th century. That will take things
:16:56. > :16:59.forward across the whole of Wales. In north and south Wales, public
:17:00. > :17:09.services have been cut heavily, but why more in north Wales, especially
:17:10. > :17:12.with police? It is your funding. The Welsh government doesn't control the
:17:13. > :17:18.police. That is done by the Home Office. I agree. One thing we did
:17:19. > :17:26.was play for 500 extra community support officers in the last five
:17:27. > :17:30.years. -- what to pay. The next question is from Michael Stokes.
:17:31. > :17:35.Will you be working more closely with Jeremy Corbyn or will you keep
:17:36. > :17:42.the Welsh Labour Party at a distance from the UK party? This is Welsh
:17:43. > :17:45.Labour fighting a Welsh election and I am the only candidate for First
:17:46. > :17:48.Minister but of course we welcome support from our colleagues
:17:49. > :17:54.elsewhere in the UK and Jeremy Corbyn is coming here in just over a
:17:55. > :17:58.week. Today, we were in the new statesman giving advice to Jeremy
:17:59. > :18:02.Corbyn. They probably asked you. You said, you have to present yourself
:18:03. > :18:05.as somebody who looks like a First Minister or a Prime Minister. Are
:18:06. > :18:11.you suggesting maybe he doesn't look like a potential Prime Minister was
:18:12. > :18:16.to mark it is early days. He hasn't long been in that position but the
:18:17. > :18:22.Conservatives are at public war with each other in the UK. Was it a
:18:23. > :18:27.philosophical question about the positioning of Welsh label? Is it to
:18:28. > :18:33.the right of Jeremy Corbyn? Is that what you are getting at? I feel that
:18:34. > :18:36.the Welsh Labour Party are trying to keep the centre ground whereas
:18:37. > :18:42.Jeremy Corbyn is going more to the left and I feel there is a distance
:18:43. > :18:48.between them. Are you closer to Mr Corbyn? That is the only way we are
:18:49. > :18:55.going to get the Tory party out of Westminster and get proper funding
:18:56. > :18:59.into Wales. I agree we need to get the Tories out and get that funding.
:19:00. > :19:04.At the moment, there is more than one Conservative Party. There is a
:19:05. > :19:12.public war. There seem to be Stefan de Vrij Ukips at the moment. --
:19:13. > :19:19.seven different Ukips. We are standing on a platform of Welsh
:19:20. > :19:24.policies. We know that Rhodri Morgan liked clear water between him and
:19:25. > :19:31.Tony Blair. Do you get closer to Tony Blair or Jeremy Corbyn? I am my
:19:32. > :19:36.own person. Who is the better leader? I believe in fairness and
:19:37. > :19:40.opportunity. We will never forget the people we represent. We need to
:19:41. > :19:47.bring jobs in for them. Let's go to question number four. It comes from
:19:48. > :19:51.James Wallace. You admit to taking your eye off the ball on education.
:19:52. > :19:55.You have apologised. Do you think that is enough is it OK to lose a
:19:56. > :20:00.generation because you were not on the ball? I do not think we have.
:20:01. > :20:08.Education maintenance allowances in Wales went. Tuition fees in England
:20:09. > :20:11.are ?22,000 more per head for English students to go to
:20:12. > :20:15.university. We have not burdened that debt on them. We introduced
:20:16. > :20:22.literacy and numeracy tests. We had a manifesto pledge to increase
:20:23. > :20:25.education spending by 1% above what we got from Westminster. The
:20:26. > :20:32.Conservatives pledge to cut it by 12%. There are schools being built
:20:33. > :20:36.all across Wales. 150 schools have been built or rebuilt across Wales.
:20:37. > :20:43.Nothing like that is happening in England. We will never let our young
:20:44. > :20:52.people down. Can I ask James, do you feel let down? James, the question.
:20:53. > :20:56.Do you feel let down? Definitely. I am in my last year of secondary
:20:57. > :20:58.education and I feel the Welsh Labour government is a
:20:59. > :21:05.disappointment to the education system. Down the road for me are
:21:06. > :21:11.schools on special -- our school is on special measures. Surely they
:21:12. > :21:16.should be your targets. Two things. First of all, those schools which
:21:17. > :21:22.weren't performing as we think they should be got money through a
:21:23. > :21:26.scheme. If you look at a school near here, incredible improvement in GCSE
:21:27. > :21:30.results because of that money. We know there have been many buildings
:21:31. > :21:34.in Wales that were not up to scratch. Nothing was built or
:21:35. > :21:40.repaired in the 80s. But now we are seeing more and more youngsters in
:21:41. > :21:44.facilities appropriate for the 20th century -- 21st century. For you, if
:21:45. > :21:49.you go to university, you will not face the same depth as your English
:21:50. > :21:53.colleagues. Your own education minister has said, I suppose we all
:21:54. > :21:57.need to apologise to young people, talking about literacy as numerous
:21:58. > :22:03.the Indy to thousands. That is a huge indictment. We introduced
:22:04. > :22:07.literacy as numerous contests so parents now have a better idea of
:22:08. > :22:14.where their children stand. Parents need to know how they are doing.
:22:15. > :22:19.Teachers need to know. We are now seeing the best GCSE results ever.
:22:20. > :22:23.We are seeing a level results improving across Wales. What about
:22:24. > :22:27.the pupils who have been through the system and feel let down? We wanted
:22:28. > :22:33.to make sure we have a system which worked for young people. Foundation
:22:34. > :22:37.fees were introduced early on. We invested in school buildings. We
:22:38. > :22:41.worked with teachers, because they are hugely important in terms of
:22:42. > :22:46.what they deliver. And we didn't make it too expensive for people to
:22:47. > :22:53.go to university or college. Let's take a question from the front. In
:22:54. > :22:55.your time as First Minister, can we see the subsidised spending for
:22:56. > :23:02.Welsh students to continue or is there a chance it might be reduced
:23:03. > :23:05.just to Wales? We will never be in a position where Welsh students are in
:23:06. > :23:10.the same position as English students. After the election, things
:23:11. > :23:13.won't change. In the autumn, we have a review to look at how things have
:23:14. > :23:17.been done and give some recommendations on the principle I
:23:18. > :23:21.have given you. One thing we can't control is that, if English
:23:22. > :23:25.universities lose the cap on fees and child what they once, that
:23:26. > :23:31.causes issues. I don't like the idea, I am uncomfortable with saying
:23:32. > :23:36.you can only study in Wales. That affects me because there are courses
:23:37. > :23:39.that I am looking at, it is a niche course, which are only relevant to
:23:40. > :23:44.some English universities or Cardiff. It is a joint honours
:23:45. > :23:51.course. So I know it would affect me. Do you want to know precisely
:23:52. > :23:54.how much you would get? From other parties, we have sort of heard a
:23:55. > :23:59.ballpark figure of how much students will get. Are you saying to all
:24:00. > :24:05.students, wait until September and maybe we will make our mind up? We
:24:06. > :24:09.introduced the policy after a decision made at Westminster,
:24:10. > :24:14.because we wanted to make sure our students were not disadvantaged. We
:24:15. > :24:18.want to make sure our students are in a more advantageous position and
:24:19. > :24:22.student unfortunately our elsewhere. We know that the Tories and Lib Dems
:24:23. > :24:28.want to get rid of the support at the moment. Will you maintain it or
:24:29. > :24:32.will it go down? We will maintain support for students at a higher
:24:33. > :24:37.level than England. We will see what happens and keep the policy in place
:24:38. > :24:43.until that review. So that could go down from 5000. It will stay at
:24:44. > :24:47.5000? It isn't something we are looking at for the moment. It is
:24:48. > :24:50.something we want to carry on with in terms of what has been a
:24:51. > :24:54.successful policy. And we know that changing that would be changing
:24:55. > :25:00.something successful. Is students vote for you, their grant will not
:25:01. > :25:04.go down at all? We are looking at the moment at a position of keeping
:25:05. > :25:06.what we have and making sure... The one thing I can't control is if
:25:07. > :25:12.England lifts its cap on fees. one thing I can't control is if
:25:13. > :25:16.is out of our control. What we can say is that we will not put you in
:25:17. > :25:21.the same position as English students, as the Tories and Liberal
:25:22. > :25:26.Democrats would. And we have heard their policies this week. The lady
:25:27. > :25:31.at the back. I just wanted to pick up on your comment that you will
:25:32. > :25:38.never let our youngsters down. I read a statistically other day, one
:25:39. > :25:42.in five youngsters in Wales are living in poverty. -- I read a
:25:43. > :25:47.statistic the other day. Maybe Mr Corbyn needs to be advising you on
:25:48. > :25:57.how to be a socialist leader and tackle inequality. Carwyn Jones, if
:25:58. > :26:01.I could just... Can we take if you more and then altogether, thank you.
:26:02. > :26:07.Awards to make a comment as an educator. I was disappointed to hear
:26:08. > :26:11.let -- to hear yet another politician claiming excellence in
:26:12. > :26:17.teaching being based on outcome alone, good GCSEs in schools in
:26:18. > :26:21.tests. As an educator, I know that tests at any level, primary or
:26:22. > :26:25.secondary, further or higher education, they are an interruption
:26:26. > :26:33.to real progress. APPLAUSE Quickly. My son has special
:26:34. > :26:38.needs and we have been looking for college places and we have been told
:26:39. > :26:42.that the funding has been cut to two years. How does that tie in? The
:26:43. > :26:48.funding is there to be appropriate for courses a two-year courses. The
:26:49. > :26:52.particular situation you are talking about is particular to yourself and
:26:53. > :26:56.your family. The last thing we want to do is put those in special needs
:26:57. > :27:03.in a more difficult position. But it is. I will have to look at more of
:27:04. > :27:07.the details. I am a son of teachers and I am a parent. I want to know
:27:08. > :27:15.how my kids are doing. I want testing. I want to know... I see my
:27:16. > :27:21.daughter, at the age of six, looking out when she is being made to set a
:27:22. > :27:29.text that might set a test and put people back. I want to know how my
:27:30. > :27:35.child is doing at seven or 14. Is setting them back. That means a
:27:36. > :27:40.system where parents and teachers can compare where their children
:27:41. > :27:44.are. It is important for us to understand progression. It isn't the
:27:45. > :27:49.be all and end all but they have to beat benchmarks against which we can
:27:50. > :27:54.measure our children. And the point about Jeremy Corbyn, lessons to be
:27:55. > :27:58.learned? We have had schemes in place like communities first. We
:27:59. > :28:05.have doubled the number of families with access to the Flying Start. The
:28:06. > :28:09.more skills you give people, the more chance they had to lift
:28:10. > :28:13.themselves out of poverty. For some people, child care is important,
:28:14. > :28:17.because they can find it difficult to find childcare, let alone
:28:18. > :28:21.affordable childcare. That is why we are pledging to introduce 30 hours
:28:22. > :28:27.of free childcare per week for working families. In Q2 Carwyn Jones
:28:28. > :28:32.and the audience. That is it. Or five Ask The Leader shows are on the
:28:33. > :28:37.BBC in player right up to the election. BBC Wales will be bringing
:28:38. > :28:43.all the ups and downs right up to the campaign. Don't miss the debate
:28:44. > :28:46.on BBC One Wales a week before the vote. It is goodbye from Llangollen
:28:47. > :28:54.and good night from Ask The Leader.