:00:07. > :00:12.What Do You Want For Your Schools, Your Jobs, Your Future? This
:00:13. > :00:13.Audience here in Swansea has the questions, but will they get the
:00:14. > :00:36.answers? Welcome to Ask the Leader. We are live at the National
:00:37. > :00:43.Waterfront Museum in Swansea for the second in our series Ask the Leader
:00:44. > :00:46.ahead of the Welsh Assembly election on May 5th. Our audience is a
:00:47. > :00:52.mixture of party voters and undecided voters. You can join us on
:00:53. > :00:53.social media... Let's welcome the leader of Ukip in Wales, Nathan
:00:54. > :01:13.Gill. And our first question this evening
:01:14. > :01:19.comes from James. Did political correctness kill the early debates
:01:20. > :01:25.on immigration? Yes, I pretty much think it did. Throughout my
:01:26. > :01:32.political career, which has only been 11 years, people have felt able
:01:33. > :01:35.to shout words like racist at me, despite the fact that our
:01:36. > :01:39.immigration policy is actually the fairest immigration policy of all of
:01:40. > :01:45.the parties. If you look at the EU, EU basically says, if you are from
:01:46. > :01:48.the EU, you can come into Britain. But we will discriminate against
:01:49. > :01:54.people from India, from Africa and from all other nations. What we say,
:01:55. > :02:00.very simply, we want an Australian, points-based system, a meritocracy.
:02:01. > :02:03.If you have the skills that we need, you are more than welcome to come
:02:04. > :02:07.here, regardless of where you come from. We do not care about your
:02:08. > :02:11.colour, ethnicity or religion. If you have the skills that we need,
:02:12. > :02:16.you are welcome to come here. That is our policy. Are there too many
:02:17. > :02:20.immigrants in Wales? If you look at the local development plans all over
:02:21. > :02:28.Wales, where we were having foisted upon us this mass house-building
:02:29. > :02:31.approach, turning villages in the Vale of Glamorgan into completely
:02:32. > :02:35.unrecognisable areas, I would say that unfortunately, it has been too
:02:36. > :02:42.fast and too much. Too many immigrants in Wales? Listen, 630,000
:02:43. > :02:47.people came into Britain last year. That is a city the size of Cardiff
:02:48. > :02:51.and Swansea and a little bit more. One of those people, most of them
:02:52. > :02:56.are adults, need cars, houses, jobs. Let's look at the figures. 6% of the
:02:57. > :03:02.population of Wales was born outside the UK. Is that fair? Is it too
:03:03. > :03:04.many? If you are unable to get a house, unable to get a job, then I
:03:05. > :03:18.think you would say yes, absolutely. The gentleman in the middle. May I
:03:19. > :03:23.quickly ask, is Ukip a racist party, to put it bluntly? Thank you for
:03:24. > :03:25.asking that. Of course we are not. Racism is where you believe that
:03:26. > :03:31.your race is superior to another race. I do not believe that in the
:03:32. > :03:35.slightest. I have been to Africa, to the Americas, around Europe and
:03:36. > :03:40.China. I do not believe that we have more of an any other nation. In
:03:41. > :03:44.fact, whenever I go to other places in the world, I am amazed at how
:03:45. > :03:47.much we can learn from them. But is not racism, it is the
:03:48. > :03:52.acknowledgement that we are part of a larger world, but the reality is
:03:53. > :03:54.just to say that we want to protect our borders. That is not racist.
:03:55. > :04:09.This gentleman here, and then the gentleman at the back. I was under
:04:10. > :04:12.the impression that these programmes were being held in advance of the
:04:13. > :04:18.watches the elections. This topic, along with other topics discussed
:04:19. > :04:21.last night such as disability benefits and electricity prices,
:04:22. > :04:26.they have no relevance upon the National Assembly. They are outside
:04:27. > :04:30.of its competence. The BBC has an informative role to play. It can do
:04:31. > :04:34.better. OK, we are looking at immigration as a key part of the UK
:04:35. > :04:40.policy. Actually, let me answer that. These are the questions that
:04:41. > :04:44.have come in. On Monday, there was an opinion poll which went out, and
:04:45. > :04:47.one question asked to people about the Welsh Assembly elections was,
:04:48. > :04:52.what are your priorities for the watches the elections? Number one
:04:53. > :04:55.was the NHS. Number two was immigration. Even though I agree, it
:04:56. > :05:01.is not devolved. The gentleman at the back. Is it possible to
:05:02. > :05:05.reconcile with the UK narrative, saying that you are not
:05:06. > :05:10.anti-immigrant, when actually, you are saying, immigrants are coming to
:05:11. > :05:13.steal our jobs and take our benefit. -- Ukip narrative. So how do you
:05:14. > :05:18.reconcile that, because you are making them an enemy? No, of course
:05:19. > :05:23.we are not. If you have the skills that we need, you are more than
:05:24. > :05:28.welcome. My wife is an immigrant. I am not anti-immigration, believe you
:05:29. > :05:31.me. Let's go back to the question. Do you feel that political
:05:32. > :05:37.correctness has stifled this debate? Definitely. I am 27 now and I have
:05:38. > :05:41.noticed since the early 2000s, either the right or the left have
:05:42. > :05:45.been trying to control one side of the debate of you get parties like
:05:46. > :05:49.Ukip who come to the fore and say, we need to look at it in another
:05:50. > :05:56.way. They then start throwing out terms like racist, being bigoted...
:05:57. > :06:02.As far as I'm aware, the Ukip MEP Steven Woolfe, whose grandfather is
:06:03. > :06:10.an African-American, he has been called an uncle Tom, a fake black, a
:06:11. > :06:14.coconut. I myself in the 2014 elections had the word racist
:06:15. > :06:19.scribbled on my front door. Let's get back to the immigration policy.
:06:20. > :06:23.Flush out this points system. You used to run care homes. You have
:06:24. > :06:26.spoken about employing Eastern European people and people from the
:06:27. > :06:30.Philippines. Would they be allowed into Wales under your points system?
:06:31. > :06:34.Well, all you have to do is to demonstrate as an employer that you
:06:35. > :06:37.need somebody with certain skills, and that through advertising and
:06:38. > :06:42.trying to get people locally to work in that job, you were unable to do
:06:43. > :06:45.it. That is what I was able to demonstrate the Home Office and so I
:06:46. > :06:49.was able to employ people from the Philippines. I think it is
:06:50. > :06:53.incredibly impressive that you take a question which is not about the EU
:06:54. > :06:56.and turn it into being about that within five seconds. More
:06:57. > :07:01.importantly, if you have problems with EU migrants taking English
:07:02. > :07:06.jobs, while your care home companies employed a few dozen Polish and EU
:07:07. > :07:09.migrants on the minimum wage, living in bunk houses, paying rent of ?50 a
:07:10. > :07:14.week, do you think it is fair that the company you run took jobs of
:07:15. > :07:22.English people? Do not believe everything you read in the
:07:23. > :07:26.newspapers. My company employed only three foreigners who were brought in
:07:27. > :07:29.on work permits who were from the Philippines. The rest of it is made
:07:30. > :07:35.up. They were employed on the same age as all of the indigenous staff.
:07:36. > :07:43.Moving on to the second question. I am a retired teacher, and I know it
:07:44. > :07:47.is a myth that selection produces the best results for all pupils.
:07:48. > :07:53.Will you explain to us why you want to bring back grammar schools? OK. I
:07:54. > :07:58.am a father of five children, and I understand completely that we are
:07:59. > :08:02.all different. Some children may develop quickly, some may be slower,
:08:03. > :08:05.they all have different desires. Over the last 30 years, we have seen
:08:06. > :08:11.social mobility in this country going backwards. It has not
:08:12. > :08:15.continued or improved, it has gone backwards. We believe strongly that
:08:16. > :08:21.those students, those young people who have strong vocational desires
:08:22. > :08:24.and abilities, should be noted with that. We would like to introduce a
:08:25. > :08:29.partnership with universities to give those people, those children
:08:30. > :08:35.with those desires, the ability to do that, without making it seem that
:08:36. > :08:39.they are second-class somehow because it is more vocational than
:08:40. > :08:44.academic. And those children who are more academic, and sit exams, kind
:08:45. > :08:48.of like the old 11 plus, only what we suggest is that some people
:08:49. > :08:52.develop academically later in life, so we would not just have an 11
:08:53. > :08:57.plus, we would allow throughout the last year's of secondary school, to
:08:58. > :09:02.continue to be able to decide between vocational and more academic
:09:03. > :09:07.studies. One size does not fit all, in anything in life. One point from
:09:08. > :09:11.the gentleman there. After Welsh education was ranked the worst in
:09:12. > :09:16.the UK following the 2013 tests, what will you keep to to improve the
:09:17. > :09:21.quality of education in Wales? Thank you that is brilliant. One of our
:09:22. > :09:26.flagship things is to bring back grammar schools, honing the skills
:09:27. > :09:32.of people and to promote them and push them to have the kind of ethos
:09:33. > :09:35.where people want to go into things, whether it is vocational or
:09:36. > :09:39.educational, and people are not looking down on them, making them
:09:40. > :09:43.think that if they do not go to university, they are a failure. I
:09:44. > :09:47.never went to university and I'm sure many people here did not. Makes
:09:48. > :09:53.no difference. We want to see things like more investment in the Stem
:09:54. > :09:57.subjects, science, technology, engineering, mathematics and
:09:58. > :10:02.medicine. We would make those Stem subjects free for pupils to study
:10:03. > :10:05.here in Wales, and we will be able to fund that by stopping giving free
:10:06. > :10:11.grants to people who go and to fund that by stopping giving free
:10:12. > :10:15.England. We will give them alone instead. Let's go back to the
:10:16. > :10:21.question on grammar schools break I used the word myth advisedly. I do
:10:22. > :10:24.not know of anybody other than populist political parties trying to
:10:25. > :10:28.find parties and right-wing think tanks trying to promote an agenda
:10:29. > :10:34.who believe anything that you have just said. For example, social
:10:35. > :10:38.mobility does not depend entirely... Nothing in relation to social
:10:39. > :10:43.mobility can be pushed back and blame on comprehensive education.
:10:44. > :10:48.No, education is vital throughout our lives. We should be a nation
:10:49. > :10:53.which pushes and encourages education throughout our entire
:10:54. > :10:57.lives. Social mobility has a lot more to do with the inequality in
:10:58. > :11:00.our society at the moment. But I think you will find that with a
:11:01. > :11:05.grammar school education, you have a lot more chance of getting up that
:11:06. > :11:08.ladder. The lady at the back. Hurriedly, English children have
:11:09. > :11:16.more spend per head on them in education. -- currently. Will Ukip
:11:17. > :11:19.try to narrow that gap? Obviously, there is not a level playing field,
:11:20. > :11:24.and we have to compete with everybody. They have more spend per
:11:25. > :11:28.head so they are at a distinct advantage compared to our Welsh
:11:29. > :11:31.children. Absolutely and is it not bizarre that we have a Welsh
:11:32. > :11:36.government, with a huge budget, which decided that it is not matter
:11:37. > :11:39.that according to the last figures, 2012, that the English students were
:11:40. > :11:47.getting ?604 per head more than in Wales? Let's just nail that, then...
:11:48. > :11:55.You would ring-fence education? We would increase it. Would you
:11:56. > :11:58.ring-fence health spending? On certain aspects within health
:11:59. > :12:01.spending, like for instance with mental illness, we want to increase
:12:02. > :12:07.it and then ringfenced it, because it is a huge issue. You would spend
:12:08. > :12:15.more on education and on health, so where would you cut? One area that
:12:16. > :12:17.we would is, ?78 million, currently ringfenced for climate change
:12:18. > :12:26.projects. To me, that seems absolutely bizarre. That we
:12:27. > :12:26.projects. To me, that seems trying to stop, like King Canute,
:12:27. > :12:31.the trying to stop, like King Canute,
:12:32. > :12:35.money would be better spent on our NHS and education. Next question,
:12:36. > :12:39.please. I would like to know, what are you doing to help protect our
:12:40. > :12:44.environment and society from the effects of climate change? And also
:12:45. > :12:49.to promote a green and sustainable way of living? Very timely,
:12:50. > :12:53.wonderful, thank you. Do you believe in climate change? I am not an
:12:54. > :12:58.expert, as I'm sure you will all agree. But do you believe in climate
:12:59. > :13:02.change? The climate has been changing from day one. Look at the
:13:03. > :13:07.mini ice age is, in my own lifetime, I have seen huge changes. Is it
:13:08. > :13:12.man-made, do we have a role in it at all? I would be very, very sceptical
:13:13. > :13:18.that man could change the climate. All we are doing is literally, a
:13:19. > :13:22.bunch of people, King Canutes, thinking that we can change the
:13:23. > :13:26.tide. The most expansively is of legislation in British history was
:13:27. > :13:30.not the First World War or the Second World War, it was Ed
:13:31. > :13:33.Miliband's Climate Change Act, which has pushed senior citizens and
:13:34. > :13:37.widows into fuel poverty... So you would do nothing about climate
:13:38. > :13:45.change? No. We do nothing on climate change? I personally, no. Let's hear
:13:46. > :13:51.from the gentleman at the front. So you disagree with scientists,
:13:52. > :13:53.trained in universities, who actually know things about all of
:13:54. > :14:06.this? You disagree with science? I will just give you the quote on
:14:07. > :14:12.that. The intergovernment panel on climate change found that scientists
:14:13. > :14:17.are 95% certain that humans are the dominant cause of global warming.
:14:18. > :14:23.95% of which are scientists? The ones who are paid by the UN to do
:14:24. > :14:26.this research. And how many of them are scientists actually on climate?
:14:27. > :14:32.Not many of them. Do your own research, don't take my word for it,
:14:33. > :14:35.which I know you will not! Do your own research and find out for
:14:36. > :14:45.yourself. We have got brains for a reason. Use them. I would like to
:14:46. > :14:49.say that I have heard Ukip politicians say some crazy things in
:14:50. > :14:51.my life. This is by far the craziest...
:14:52. > :15:06.Let's hear from somebody... I take that as a compliment, but there we
:15:07. > :15:09.are. Good on you. We should all come to our conclusions because you say
:15:10. > :15:13.you don't believe scientists, or that is crazy. You don't believe
:15:14. > :15:17.preachers? These people have agendas, too. Come to your own
:15:18. > :15:22.decisions, don't be a sheep and follow the crowd. He is entirely
:15:23. > :15:26.right in what he said. Thank you. And because I have come to my own
:15:27. > :15:31.conclusions, it doesn't mean you have to call me a denier and all of
:15:32. > :15:33.these different bizarre terminologies that get thrown
:15:34. > :15:39.around. Let's take a question from the front here. There have been
:15:40. > :15:41.numerous studies by academic facilities across the globe, there
:15:42. > :15:45.have been documentaries, it is taught in our schools, I learnt this
:15:46. > :15:50.in comprehensive school, to stand there and deny climate change is
:15:51. > :15:54.real and is destroying our world is not just irresponsible, it is
:15:55. > :15:59.ignorant and false. Hold on, at what point did I say there was no climate
:16:00. > :16:03.change? I never said that. I said that as far as I'm concerned, it
:16:04. > :16:07.isn't man-made. All of the things we are doing to stop climate change
:16:08. > :16:12.right now in Britain, in one week the rest of the world is negating.
:16:13. > :16:16.It's a waste of our resources and money. Places like Port Talbot are
:16:17. > :16:20.in sheer trouble right now because of the Climate Change Act and the
:16:21. > :16:23.huge amount of money that Ed Miliband and Labour stuck on the
:16:24. > :16:28.cost of fuelling meaning Port Talbot has to pay 50% more for its
:16:29. > :16:32.electricity than France. Does France believe in climate change?
:16:33. > :16:34.Absolutely. Why are they charging less for their electricity than we
:16:35. > :16:54.are in Wales? Ridiculous. It is pure ignorance to deny we are
:16:55. > :16:59.responsible for climate change. What makes you think it is not doing that
:17:00. > :17:05.to climate and to the environment at large? There are huge cycles within
:17:06. > :17:09.climate, huge cycles and weather isn't climate, and who knows what
:17:10. > :17:15.cycle we are in. Let's face it, in medieval times, when they had the
:17:16. > :17:22.mini Ice Age they probably thought they were creating it by burning
:17:23. > :17:29.dung. Thank you. Let's move on. The next question comes from Stephen
:17:30. > :17:32.Havard. Do you believe the M4 relief road will bring much-needed work to
:17:33. > :17:37.the steel industry in Wales? Absolutely. The problem we have got
:17:38. > :17:41.there is, it is illegal for the Welsh Government to say let's use
:17:42. > :17:45.Welsh steel in the production and the manufacturing of that relief
:17:46. > :17:50.road. It has to go out to tender and it has to go to the cheapest source
:17:51. > :17:54.possible. That is the law. So, if we are expecting the Welsh Government
:17:55. > :17:59.to break the law, which if I was the First Minister, I would, I would
:18:00. > :18:05.break the EU law and I would say, yes, everything that we do in Wales
:18:06. > :18:10.must be built with Welsh steel. I don't agree with the ?1 billion,
:18:11. > :18:15.that is an entire year's capital budget spent on one route. I agree
:18:16. > :18:18.with the blue route. That is the ?1 billion project, the whole new
:18:19. > :18:22.motorway. You favour the blue route, is that right? That's correct. The
:18:23. > :18:26.cheaper version? The cheaper version. What would be your budget
:18:27. > :18:32.for that? The cheaper version is ?400 million. We would save ?600
:18:33. > :18:36.million which we can use on other capital projects like the A55 in the
:18:37. > :18:40.north, which gets forgotten about, it was built on the cheap, it
:18:41. > :18:47.doesn't have a hard shoulder, the A470, which I drive up many a time.
:18:48. > :18:55.It is easier, is it not, to go into England and come down the motorway
:18:56. > :18:59.than it is to go through Wales? That is a disgrace. Let's look at the
:19:00. > :19:04.steel element to this. Would you encourage, if you were in power in
:19:05. > :19:06.the Welsh Government, more investment, part nationalisation,
:19:07. > :19:11.would you take over the plant. What would be your plan alongside the UK
:19:12. > :19:15.Government? No, I don't believe in nationalisation. Why should we bail
:19:16. > :19:19.out one of the biggest companies in the world, Tata, with taxpayers'
:19:20. > :19:23.money, when the problems that we have with the steel industry are not
:19:24. > :19:28.going to go away? You would leave it to the market? Well, what I would do
:19:29. > :19:32.is, if I was the First Minister, I would immediately reduce the
:19:33. > :19:39.business rates to zero which our First Minister, and you can ask him
:19:40. > :19:48.later on, cannot do. Again, EU law, state aid... Would you intervene in
:19:49. > :19:51.any way other than business rates? With what money can the Welsh
:19:52. > :19:55.Government intervene in this? This is a problem that's been caused by
:19:56. > :20:00.three separate governments and four if you include China. We have a
:20:01. > :20:06.major problem with Chinese steel being dumped on us and yesterday
:20:07. > :20:10.Andrew RT Davies said we don't want to put tariffs because that would
:20:11. > :20:17.cause a trade war. Wake up, we are in a trade war. America, 30% tariffs
:20:18. > :20:22.on Welsh steels. China, 60%. The EU, 9% tariffs on cheap subsidised
:20:23. > :20:26.Chinese steel. I have been a fourth generation steelworker myself. I
:20:27. > :20:34.think it is disgusting how Welsh Labour have not supported us at all.
:20:35. > :20:40.Basically, how would you reverse that? I would take down the EU flag
:20:41. > :20:45.that they are flying with pride in the Senedd and I would say the only
:20:46. > :20:48.thing I could do is reduce the business rates to zero, that is ?10
:20:49. > :20:52.million, though, that is a lot. Would you match the ?50 million
:20:53. > :20:59.offered by Welsh Government? If we could find it. Would that be one of
:21:00. > :21:04.your cuts? No. If it was there, it would... Of course, one of the
:21:05. > :21:07.things we are saying is, we are looking at the finances in the same
:21:08. > :21:13.way you are able to look at the finances of the Welsh Government. We
:21:14. > :21:17.don't have any insider information because we don't AMs in there. We
:21:18. > :21:21.will be able to go in there and find out what they are doing with our
:21:22. > :21:28.money, what the waste is and find ways we can improve. A few points
:21:29. > :21:32.from the audience. Yes? Nathan, we are not bailing out Tata, they are
:21:33. > :21:39.selling Port Talbot and their other interests. Isn't it in the national
:21:40. > :21:47.interest that the Government take a share? It is absolutely integral, of
:21:48. > :21:53.course it is. I totally agree. I note that last year, our foreign aid
:21:54. > :21:58.budget, which overspent ?172 million. That would keep Tata going
:21:59. > :22:04.for six months. How is it that our British Government is able to find
:22:05. > :22:09.money to overspend ?172 million and cannot find a penny to help Tata?
:22:10. > :22:14.You said you wouldn't intervene on principle here, would you? The
:22:15. > :22:18.question is, what is the point if we cannot effect the cheap Chinese
:22:19. > :22:28.subsidised steel being dumped on us... Would you be an... No. You
:22:29. > :22:32.wouldn't intervene? I wouldn't intervene. Would you want the UK
:22:33. > :22:40.Government to intervene on pensions, for example? So, why is it that
:22:41. > :22:44.Tata, the wealthiest company in the world, is able to off-load all of
:22:45. > :22:49.its debts and problems on to us, the taxpayer? They should be made to pay
:22:50. > :22:54.for the problems that they themselves have allowed to be
:22:55. > :23:01.created as well. Right. I find it funny na the Government found money
:23:02. > :23:06.to bail out the banks but when the British steel industry... They can't
:23:07. > :23:13.find any money for us. It is a disgrace. The banks made that money
:23:14. > :23:16.back so that is different to the uncompetitive steel industry. The
:23:17. > :23:21.steel industry is uncompetitive... We have to make our steel industry
:23:22. > :23:27.competitive again. OK. The only way you will do that is by getting out
:23:28. > :23:32.of the EU on 23rd June so we can absolutely set our own barriers. OK.
:23:33. > :23:37.We will have debates on Europe I'm sure. Now is not the time to debate
:23:38. > :23:44.the referendum. Back to our questioner. Do you feel you have had
:23:45. > :23:47.an answer? Yes, I agree with the M4 relief road answer. We should do
:23:48. > :23:52.more to help our steel industry and I don't think Mr Gill has really...
:23:53. > :23:58.How are we going to sell the steel? It is uncompetitive. The Chinese
:23:59. > :24:02.government have subsidised Chinese steel $11 billion in one year. They
:24:03. > :24:09.can dump it at us at prices we cannot compete with and under EU
:24:10. > :24:15.procurement laws are not allowed to say you can only use Welsh steel in
:24:16. > :24:21.Britain. Thank you. Let's go to question five. It comes from Alan
:24:22. > :24:26.Humphreys. Have the stars of Ukip been forced on us in Wales through
:24:27. > :24:31.the regionalist system? You are getting at two former Conservative
:24:32. > :24:37.MPs, maybe? I'd rather perhaps see Welsh politicians, Welsh Ukip
:24:38. > :24:43.members. Well, ultimately, I am the leader of Ukip in Wales. I do not
:24:44. > :24:47.have a great deal of power with regards to the selection of
:24:48. > :24:50.candidates. That went to a ballot of the membership. The membership
:24:51. > :24:57.selected who they wanted in each region. Then the NEC approved that.
:24:58. > :25:04.I had no say in that whatsoever. Would I have allowed people to come
:25:05. > :25:09.in over our hard-working Welsh membership? Probably not. Probably
:25:10. > :25:12.not. It wasn't my decision. And the members have given us these
:25:13. > :25:17.candidates and therefore I back them. You would rather they weren't
:25:18. > :25:21.there then? Would I have chosen them? No, probably not. The reality
:25:22. > :25:24.is that is what we have got. That is what the members chose through
:25:25. > :25:30.is that is what we have got. That is democracy. Are they an asset to the
:25:31. > :25:37.party? Of course, they have years of experience. Mark Reckless was an MP.
:25:38. > :25:45.He did a brave thing when he came over to Ukip. He is a very
:25:46. > :25:50.intelligent man. The lady in pink? With regards to Mark Reckless, I am
:25:51. > :25:54.a Ukip member, and I voted for Mark Reckless and I'm Welsh, and I'm
:25:55. > :25:58.proud I voted for him. I looked at his background, I looked at
:25:59. > :26:02.everything he could give to us and I'm proud of it. It was a democratic
:26:03. > :26:09.vote. That is the way it should be. Exactly. Let's take some points over
:26:10. > :26:14.this side. Yes? Taking into consideration that you are talking
:26:15. > :26:18.basically stating that it's Ukip policy that the people who have been
:26:19. > :26:21.selected have been selected. Do you not think that it is detrimental to
:26:22. > :26:22.your party when some of your candidates who have
:26:23. > :26:28.your party when some of your have stood down in protest? Well, is
:26:29. > :26:31.that detrimental to the party? No, it shows we are passionate people.
:26:32. > :26:40.that detrimental to the party? No, It shows we are principled. No. This
:26:41. > :26:43.is a reference to Gareth Bennett, a controversial candidate. You have
:26:44. > :26:48.some candidates that you are unhappy with and yet you are leader of the
:26:49. > :26:51.party, what does that say about your leadership? It says that I am
:26:52. > :26:56.leading the party within the boundaries of the authority and the
:26:57. > :27:01.powers that I have. Would you like to change those... Does it frustrate
:27:02. > :27:07.you, would you like to change those? There are lots of things that
:27:08. > :27:13.frustrates me about politics. The reality is, I know what I want us to
:27:14. > :27:19.do and achieve. I know that we have a team that... Gareth Bennett is new
:27:20. > :27:29.to politics. Genuinely, he joined the party a year ago. He needs
:27:30. > :27:35.training. This is a comment about growth in immigration in Cardiff...
:27:36. > :27:39.His own comments. You get so frustrated that maybe you will walk
:27:40. > :27:44.away from it. It is not an easy party to lead, is it? I have been
:27:45. > :27:45.quoted several times as saying, "It is like herding cats" and
:27:46. > :27:49.quoted several times as saying, "It because of all of the different
:27:50. > :27:54.personalities. That is because we are a fiery party. People come to
:27:55. > :27:59.us, either they have never been in politics at all or they come from
:28:00. > :28:03.other parties. We have got Plaid Cymru, Labour, Lib Dems as well,
:28:04. > :28:06.believe it or not. We are a fiery party. And we are dealing
:28:07. > :28:08.believe it or not. We are a fiery people's emotions and people's
:28:09. > :28:12.belief systems and, you know, you always say if you want to keep
:28:13. > :28:15.friends, don't talk politics or religion. I talk politics...
:28:16. > :28:17.friends, don't talk politics or will be herding cats after this
:28:18. > :28:21.election and after the referendum? Absolutely. Thank you very much.
:28:22. > :28:24.election and after the referendum? Thank you very much for joining us
:28:25. > :28:28.this evening. That is it, that is our time up. So, join us again
:28:29. > :28:33.tomorrow night in Aberystwyth where the leader of the Welsh Liberal
:28:34. > :28:37.Democrats Kirsty Williams will face the questions in Ask the Leader.
:28:38. > :28:42.Thank you very much to Nathan Gill and to the audience here in Swansea
:28:43. > :28:45.this evening. Nos da. Good night.