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:00:00. > :00:07.This is Business Live from BBC News with Ben Thompson

:00:08. > :00:14.A mammoth battle between the world's most

:00:15. > :00:16.valuable company and the US government - Apple acts

:00:17. > :00:26.to try to stop the FBI hacking into the iPhone.

:00:27. > :00:39.Live from London, that's our top story.

:00:40. > :00:43.Apple versus the FBI - the tech giant tries to overturn

:00:44. > :00:46.a ruling forcing it to help the FBI access the iPhone

:00:47. > :00:52.But could it spark a new battle between the tech sector

:00:53. > :01:02.Finance ministers from the G-20 group of top

:01:03. > :01:04.economies meet in Shanghai as they tackle an expected global slowdown.

:01:05. > :01:06.The spotlight is firmly fixed on China.

:01:07. > :01:14.We'll assess another volatile week on the markets.

:01:15. > :01:16.And we'll get the inside track on Ethical Earnings.

:01:17. > :01:18.From humble beginnings on England's South coast

:01:19. > :01:24.But how does Body Shop stay true to its ethical roots when its parent

:01:25. > :01:26.company is the multi-national cosmetics giant L'Oreal?

:01:27. > :01:30.Today we want to know: Apple versus FBI, who do you side with?

:01:31. > :01:45.You know what to do...Just use the hashtag BBCBizLive.

:01:46. > :01:49.And we're starting with a mammoth tech battle.

:01:50. > :01:51.Apple has launched legal action to try and overturn a ruling that

:01:52. > :01:55.says it must help the FBI hack into the iPhone of the

:01:56. > :02:03.Some big tech firms are lining up to back Apple in its fight.

:02:04. > :02:11.On February 16th, Apple was ordered to write

:02:12. > :02:14.a programme to unlock Syed Farook's iPhone to access data.That means

:02:15. > :02:16.Apple writing software to disable the phone's passcode protection -

:02:17. > :02:21.You know how it works - if you tap in the wrong code too

:02:22. > :02:24.many times, you could end up deleting all your data.

:02:25. > :02:26.Tim Cook, the boss of Apple, the world's

:02:27. > :02:28.most valuable company, claimed it would create a backdoor

:02:29. > :02:31.or master key to millions of iPhones, leaving users

:02:32. > :02:39.criminals and unwarranted surveillance.

:02:40. > :02:44.Well, it's reported Apple is now looking at ways to re-design

:02:45. > :02:46.the iPhone to make it un-hackable in the future.

:02:47. > :02:49.Here's the Head of the FBI and the boss of Apple

:02:50. > :03:01.I love encryption, I love privacy, when I hear corporations take you

:03:02. > :03:02.that we will take you to a world where no one can look at your stuff,

:03:03. > :03:13.part of me think, that great. But then I think law enforcement

:03:14. > :03:17.really just save people's lives. If we knew a way to get the information

:03:18. > :03:20.that we haven't already given, if we knew a way to do this that would not

:03:21. > :03:26.expose hundreds of millions of other people, we would obviously do it.

:03:27. > :03:31.The only way we know would be to write a piece of software that we

:03:32. > :03:41.view as the software equivalent of cancer. Not mincing his words. We

:03:42. > :03:49.have an associate here joining us. I can only imagine the FBI... They

:03:50. > :03:54.have tech know-how, they tried to get into this phone, they failed,

:03:55. > :03:57.this is great publicity for Apple, but do they have to be seen doing

:03:58. > :04:04.what they are doing because of its shareholders? A cynic might say it's

:04:05. > :04:09.their shareholders but Apple say this is a point of principle about

:04:10. > :04:12.user privacy. It's about making sure that the only person who can get

:04:13. > :04:17.into your data is you. It's about setting a precedent that if you

:04:18. > :04:22.allow it in this case, other tech firms and other people who maybe

:04:23. > :04:27.have less pure motives will be able to use this software to hack into

:04:28. > :04:31.phones will stop that's one of the arguments, Apple say that if they

:04:32. > :04:35.give you this software, there is a possibility it will get into the

:04:36. > :04:41.hands of others. It could be exploited by parties who don't have

:04:42. > :04:47.the right to get into your data. I'm just wondering, can the US

:04:48. > :04:52.authorities actually force Apple to write this code, because if I was, I

:04:53. > :04:58.would say, we tried, we just can't do it. It means the writing an

:04:59. > :05:03.entirely new code to be able to allow them, currently they don't

:05:04. > :05:07.have the software, is that right? It's not that they can't, they are

:05:08. > :05:10.clear that they can do it, they can create a bespoke service, the reason

:05:11. > :05:14.they say they can't be made to right it is because they say it will be

:05:15. > :05:21.compelled speech and speech in America is protected by the first

:05:22. > :05:29.Amendment. But... I'm still trying to get my head around this. Because

:05:30. > :05:35.if... Some may say that Apple are getting too big for their boots but

:05:36. > :05:38.if they broke the code, to get this alleged terrorist information, so to

:05:39. > :05:45.speak, they just lock the code and block that away, never to be...? But

:05:46. > :05:49.is that realistic? Wantage realistic, it will be out there.

:05:50. > :05:56.It's like inventing the nuclear bomb. The FBI say this is a bespoke

:05:57. > :06:02.one-off piece of code we want to install on one device, but Apple say

:06:03. > :06:06.it's not the first time they have been asked to crack into an iPhone

:06:07. > :06:11.and then the FBI will be using it everyday. The whole point of

:06:12. > :06:17.blackberries, the security and privacy they brought, particularly

:06:18. > :06:25.in the Middle East, is that a similar row? It is, and it will keep

:06:26. > :06:32.raging on in the digital age until legislation kicks in to say whether

:06:33. > :06:36.it is or isn't legal. Just very briefly, I have a tech experts tell

:06:37. > :06:44.me that if this wasn't such a public story as it is, if it was private,

:06:45. > :06:49.then Apple probably would do it, do you agree? I would disagree with

:06:50. > :06:56.that, that's what Edward Snowden was saying, nobody knew about it, but

:06:57. > :07:02.what Apple has released is a list of 11 previous requests by the FBI

:07:03. > :07:12.where they have said no. Always a pleasure. Thank you.

:07:13. > :07:15.The London Stock Exchange says its chief executive -

:07:16. > :07:18.Xavier Rolet - will step down and retire if the merger

:07:19. > :07:22.It has given further details of the potential deal -

:07:23. > :07:25.saying the combined group would would be a UK company -

:07:26. > :07:34.with headquarters in London and in Frankfurt.

:07:35. > :07:36.Shares in struggling Japanese electronics giant Sharp have fallen

:07:37. > :09:36.again, over doubts about a takeover to rescue the firm.

:09:37. > :09:45.Robin brand is there for us in Shanghai. Front good to see you. I

:09:46. > :09:48.can only imagine one of the focal points being discussed there is can

:09:49. > :09:53.bankers do any more but I don't know, some will say that is hard,

:09:54. > :09:57.because they don't maybe have any ammunition left? Yes, I think the

:09:58. > :10:03.view is that the armoury has run dry, really. Had a brief exchange

:10:04. > :10:05.with Dr Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank of England. Very

:10:06. > :10:10.tight-lipped but they gather here with the bulk of them, with little

:10:11. > :10:14.left to do, having said that, probably the most prominent central

:10:15. > :10:19.banker here, the head of the Chinese central bank did kick off this

:10:20. > :10:23.meeting with some positive words, really, I think meant to make those

:10:24. > :10:27.attending the meeting feel more confident in particular about where

:10:28. > :10:32.China is going, and he said he didn't see or rather hinting he

:10:33. > :10:37.didn't see any further moves towards the devaluation of China's currency,

:10:38. > :10:41.and also, looking towards the downturn here, I mean China's

:10:42. > :10:45.economy growing but the days of double digit growth are over. There

:10:46. > :10:50.is a slow time, a downturn coming but he hinted, he believes perhaps

:10:51. > :10:53.the Government can spend their way out of this downturn by borrowing

:10:54. > :11:06.more. Good stuff. As you you can see Asian

:11:07. > :11:12.shares closing. A quick look at what is happening in Europe, because all

:11:13. > :11:17.eyes will be on that G20 meeting in Shanghai. Crucially that issue or

:11:18. > :11:22.whether there will be extra help to support the second largest which in

:11:23. > :11:30.the world, which is China. Michelle has details on Wall Street. How did

:11:31. > :11:33.the US economy go. Look no further nan the revised fourth quarter GDP

:11:34. > :11:39.numbers out from the commerce department this Friday. The numbers

:11:40. > :11:44.are expected to show the economy expanded less in gone 15 that was

:11:45. > :11:49.initially reported. I guess that is what revisions are for. Also out,

:11:50. > :11:51.this Friday, from the commerce department, consumer spending

:11:52. > :11:56.numbers which were flat in December, a slight boost in these January

:11:57. > :12:01.numbers is expected, however. And finally, in the retail sector, which

:12:02. > :12:05.didn't generally have a strong holiday season, it is expected that

:12:06. > :12:10.department store chain JC penny will be a bright spot.

:12:11. > :12:16.Let us stay with the markets. Nick hunger gored is with us.

:12:17. > :12:20.-- great to see you. Quickly, touching on the G20. The markets are

:12:21. > :12:25.up there, hoping for a bit of optimism, we are talking about the

:12:26. > :12:28.central banker, there was so much pressure on them, you think I am

:12:29. > :12:33.going to reveal this, you think they have some more tools to use.

:12:34. > :12:36.Absolutely. I was watching that report, quickly scrabbling notes

:12:37. > :12:44.about what else there is to go. I managed to get to ten things.

:12:45. > :12:46.Interest rate, balance sheet, overmarket operation, minimum

:12:47. > :12:49.reserve requirements, asset purchase, shall I keep go something

:12:50. > :12:52.there is plenty things to do. Let me stress it is not just the

:12:53. > :12:57.responsibility of the central bankers. Exactly. Mark Carney gave a

:12:58. > :13:02.speech and said everybody promised in 2004 that they were going to make

:13:03. > :13:04.structural reforms. All of the Governments in the G20s less than

:13:05. > :13:08.half of what was promised has happened. If they have got the

:13:09. > :13:12.options, why are they not using them? They have and they will. We

:13:13. > :13:16.have discovered some of these option, because of what has happened

:13:17. > :13:21.since the financial crisis, I mean, it, you know it is very very, very

:13:22. > :13:24.infrequently that we have talked the about negative interest rates before

:13:25. > :13:27.the financial crisis. So they are being revealed and happen, now they

:13:28. > :13:35.are on the table, let us see what they are going to use next. Can, for

:13:36. > :13:40.people watching round the world here in Britain, investors, how do they,

:13:41. > :13:44.how, what should they read, let me get this right. What should they

:13:45. > :13:48.read into the market, the volatility has been phenomenal. It's a mug's

:13:49. > :13:55.game trying to get the right timing to get in or out? 100%, for

:13:56. > :13:59.investors there is very little point in trying to turn the market, let me

:14:00. > :14:05.give you an example. In the ten years to the end of 2015, investing

:14:06. > :14:10.in the FTSE all share including dividends you would have received

:14:11. > :14:17.about 11.2% an annum. If you missed the ten best days out of the 3650

:14:18. > :14:22.days in ten year you would have got 4.7% per annum. Less than half. If

:14:23. > :14:30.you had missed the 25 best days in those 10 years, you would have had a

:14:31. > :14:34.negative return of 0. 8%. That is great statistics so stay in... If

:14:35. > :14:41.you are investing, you are doing it for the long-term. You saw the FTSE

:14:42. > :14:48.yesterday went up 2.5%. We love those stats. You will take us

:14:49. > :14:58.through The Papers. Thank you. Still to come. Ethical earnings, the

:14:59. > :15:03.boss Of body shop tells how it stays true to its ethical roots.

:15:04. > :15:06.British Airways owner IAG has reported a 64% rise in profits

:15:07. > :15:10.It's been helped by a more than 17% fall in fuel costs.

:15:11. > :15:12.IAG is the parent company of Iberia, Vueling and Aer Lingus

:15:13. > :15:15.Boss Willie Walsh described the numbers as "very

:15:16. > :15:20.The price of oil has been falling steadily over the past year -

:15:21. > :15:35.so has this drop fed through to IAG's figures yet?

:15:36. > :15:43.Normally buy out as far as three years inned a vans. In 2015 we were,

:15:44. > :15:48.if you like, using fuel we bought in 2013, so we saw some benefit but a

:15:49. > :15:51.lot of the benefit was off set by the strengthening dollar, about 60%

:15:52. > :15:55.of the benefit you would have expected was off set because the

:15:56. > :16:00.dollar was stronger against the euro and the pound and we will see some

:16:01. > :16:05.continuing benefit in 2016, because the hedges we put in place are

:16:06. > :16:09.unwinding and therefore we will get additional benefit from the current

:16:10. > :16:14.lower spot price. We don't price our tickets solely based on the price of

:16:15. > :16:18.oil, fuel represents about 30% of our cost base, 70% of our coast base

:16:19. > :16:21.is managed in another way, the market is very competitive, we will

:16:22. > :16:28.continue to be competitive, and prices have been dropping, if you go

:16:29. > :16:35.back to 2012, when the price of oil peaked since IAG was created, we

:16:36. > :16:39.have seen average fares fall. There has been an impact in the reduction

:16:40. > :16:42.in the oil price which has already been felt and passed on to

:16:43. > :16:45.consumers. Royal Bank of Scotland has

:16:46. > :16:47.made its eighth annual loss in a row, after recently setting

:16:48. > :16:50.aside billions for expected fines The group, which is mostly

:16:51. > :16:53.owned by the taxpayer, posted a loss of almost ?2 billion,

:16:54. > :16:56.although this is down from the ?3.5 billion loss it

:16:57. > :17:19.reported a year earlier. Business owner warning of an

:17:20. > :17:23.information deaf it is ahead of the EU referendum that is the story in

:17:24. > :17:25.the Telegraph. Small businesses saying they don't have enough

:17:26. > :17:30.information to make a good decision about in or out when it comes to the

:17:31. > :17:33.debate over the UK's continued membership of the EU. They are

:17:34. > :17:35.calling for more information, more clarity on what would happen if the

:17:36. > :17:40.UK does decide to leave the EU. Our top story -

:17:41. > :17:44.Apple versus the FBI. The tech giant tries to overturn

:17:45. > :17:48.a ruling that would force it to help the FBI hack into the iPhone

:17:49. > :17:51.of the San Bernadino gunman - Could this turn into the mother

:17:52. > :17:54.of all battles with America's mighty Tech sector pitched

:17:55. > :18:04.against the US government? Arity on what would happen if the UK

:18:05. > :18:08.does decide to leave the EU. More on that, we will get more

:18:09. > :18:16.details of that at the start of next week. We will have full coverage

:18:17. > :18:21.here on business live. Do we have time for a couple of tweets. Apple

:18:22. > :18:26.100% in the right. It's a slippery slope into mass sun rablts. I have

:18:27. > :18:29.time for a couple of tweets. Apple 100% in the right. It's a slippery

:18:30. > :18:32.slope into mass sun rablts. I haven't got them open. "I am team

:18:33. > :18:35.apple. Security is the key on an iPhone. The back door will violate

:18:36. > :18:44.one's privacy." Thank you. Keep your comments coming in.

:18:45. > :18:47.These days, ethical business is big business, but that's much easier

:18:48. > :18:50.How do you stay true to your founding principles

:18:51. > :18:52.when you become part of a giant corporate machine?

:18:53. > :18:55.Well, one company that knows all too well is the Body Shop.

:18:56. > :18:58.From its humble beginnings as a single shop on England's South

:18:59. > :19:00.coast, it's now part of the cosmetics giant L'Oreal -

:19:01. > :19:02.but still prides itself on its ethical credentials.

:19:03. > :19:04.It's chief executive is Jeremy Schwartz, but the firm

:19:05. > :19:07.was founded by the late Dame Anita Roddick who opened her

:19:08. > :19:11.40 years later, it's a globally recognised consumer brand with over

:19:12. > :19:15.And it may surprise many fans that it was swallowed up

:19:16. > :19:18.by the multinational beauty empire of L'Oreal ten years ago.

:19:19. > :19:20.So can the Body Shop still claim to be an ethical retailer?

:19:21. > :19:36.The BBC's Maryam Moshiri put this question to boss Jeremy Schwartz.

:19:37. > :19:43.Well the fact you may not be so familiar with is we are in 65

:19:44. > :19:48.countries round the world. I believe we are the retailer, that is in more

:19:49. > :19:52.countries than any other retailers an we have 65 million people coming

:19:53. > :19:56.in our stores every year, so I think we are very relevant to many people

:19:57. > :20:00.round the world and the way we do that is by having exceptional

:20:01. > :20:06.products made from natural ingredients that are not tested on

:20:07. > :20:10.animals and 100% vegetarian, they respect people's skin. There are so

:20:11. > :20:14.many different companies that do ethical products and ethical retail,

:20:15. > :20:19.how do you differentiate yourselves from a market that is now pretty

:20:20. > :20:24.saturated compared to when Body Shop started? When you are an innovator

:20:25. > :20:29.and pioneer you are recognised as being the first, so people know that

:20:30. > :20:32.we were more natural, we are the first company to bring ethical

:20:33. > :20:35.sustainable products across many category, we have skin care and

:20:36. > :20:41.body, we have make up which many other companies don't have, the way

:20:42. > :20:45.we stay ahead is by going round the world and finding ingredients, and

:20:46. > :20:50.ways that women in different countries use products. In Korea,

:20:51. > :20:54.the average Korean spends 30 minutes every morn and using seven different

:20:55. > :20:58.products to care for her skin, we have just launched some products

:20:59. > :21:02.from Korea, worldwide, so that is exciting and surprising for women.

:21:03. > :21:07.When I used to go Body Shop it was attractive because of the ethical

:21:08. > :21:12.ethos, then I know that some people when it was taken over by L'Oreal

:21:13. > :21:16.were disappointed because a big company, a small company, how do

:21:17. > :21:19.they work out together? They shouldn't have been disappointed

:21:20. > :21:23.because L'Oreal was very excited to not only support but completely

:21:24. > :21:28.embrace all the ethics of the Body Shop and they have done that, and

:21:29. > :21:31.they have kept, as I am the leader of it, the Body Shop autonomous in

:21:32. > :21:36.what we do. We have benefitted from all that L'Oreal can bring, which is

:21:37. > :21:38.the ability to use our community Fairtrade ingredients but we have

:21:39. > :21:43.kept absolutely the spirit we have already had.

:21:44. > :21:49.I have done a straw poll among some of my friends who are a similar age,

:21:50. > :21:52.they say that they feel that the brand Body Shop has lost its way a

:21:53. > :21:56.bit. How do you find that path again, do you think? We have

:21:57. > :22:00.launched a commitment called enrich not exploit. It's a mission for the

:22:01. > :22:05.company, the way we are going to ensure that we are the most ethical,

:22:06. > :22:08.and sustainable company in the world. We know that the women that

:22:09. > :22:13.you are talking about are very connected to the global situation,

:22:14. > :22:17.they are very digitally Saivet, they are concerned about the planet. This

:22:18. > :22:21.is a way we are going to connect to women like you are describing, to

:22:22. > :22:26.show that they can buy products that are good for them but do good for

:22:27. > :22:31.the planet as well. We are launching products, and I may tell you one

:22:32. > :22:35.called Spa. It sourced from all round the worldle. We have a flower

:22:36. > :22:39.from Japan, I can assure you, that there is not one you don't know who

:22:40. > :22:42.wouldn't feel very proud tow have this product in her bathroom and

:22:43. > :22:46.have her friends see her, that she has got it and know they will say,

:22:47. > :22:49.wow I wish I could o have that too. I would like to invite you into our

:22:50. > :22:54.stores because I think you will be surprised. So you are making plastic

:22:55. > :22:59.packaging out of pollution. That is interesting, how does it work?

:23:00. > :23:04.Imagine cows, or imagine if you would breathing out for a second,

:23:05. > :23:09.you breathe out CO2 and cows emit methane. We have a way of capturing

:23:10. > :23:13.that, we are giving it to insome times and they proeating it and

:23:14. > :23:18.turning it into plastic, we are turning that not just into bags but

:23:19. > :23:22.more into actual packaging, we will be launching packaging that is made

:23:23. > :23:29.from air. We are calling it air carbon. It's a revolution. The chief

:23:30. > :23:33.executive of Body Shop speaking to Maryam. So yes, interesting stuff

:23:34. > :23:42.there, there is a make up theme to the programme today. How do you keep

:23:43. > :23:45.your ethical roots? Is a make up theme to the programme today. How do

:23:46. > :23:47.you keep your ethical roots? One more tweet. "Privacy over human

:23:48. > :23:54.life. That is sick corporate world caring only about stock prices."

:23:55. > :24:01.Between the battle between the FBI and apping. I can't get this thing

:24:02. > :24:06.to work, so you can't put it on the screen. Pfizer, giving up just

:24:07. > :24:11.citizenship it could save them money in taxes. Everybody thought the

:24:12. > :24:15.reason Pfizer had bought this Irish company to merge and move its

:24:16. > :24:18.headquarters from the US to Ireland was so it could reduce its corporate

:24:19. > :24:24.tax rate from the 35% charged in America, which is one of the highest

:24:25. > :24:28.in the world, to the 17-18% in Ireland. But what people hadn't

:24:29. > :24:35.realised was there was going to be the opportunity to bring in from

:24:36. > :24:39.overseas about $150 billion worth of profit Pfizer made, into Ireland and

:24:40. > :24:48.benefit from lower tax, because they couldn't have brought that money

:24:49. > :24:52.into the States and had it with the tax.

:24:53. > :24:59.Car, because there is a story here in the Huffington Post, half of new

:25:00. > :25:04.cars could be electric by 200040. We know that they are booming in

:25:05. > :25:07.popularity but half of all new cars to be electric? That puts huge

:25:08. > :25:12.pressure on infrastructure. That is one of the reasons why that may

:25:13. > :25:16.never come to be the case. It is only 1% of cars sold at the moment

:25:17. > :25:22.that are electric, we have some want I to go. Can you imagine changing

:25:23. > :25:28.the petrol and gas stations to electric plugs. The fact the oil

:25:29. > :25:32.price is so low is motivating people and car companies to build gas

:25:33. > :25:38.guzzlers as they are called. So all round the world we are seeing a drop

:25:39. > :25:43.off in electric gases because gas cars are getting cheaper. Batteries

:25:44. > :25:46.have to be made better. People are worried about running out of

:25:47. > :25:52.batteries on their way. Lots of way to go but maybe possible by 2014. A

:25:53. > :25:56.-- 200040. Have a great weekend. We will be

:25:57. > :26:07.back same time, same place on Monday.

:26:08. > :26:13.Compared with last couple of day, we have got a lot more cloud in the sky

:26:14. > :26:17.across the UK, but for most of us the weather will stay dry. The cloud

:26:18. > :26:21.is courtesy of an area of low pressure that continues to form to

:26:22. > :26:22.the south-west of the UK, and this brings some uncertainty, as