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:00:08. > :00:12.Security shake-up. with Aaron Heslehurst and Sally

:00:13. > :00:16.Europe holds emergency talks on making its airports safer -

:00:17. > :00:22.amid growing concern from the travel business.

:00:23. > :00:24.Live from London, that's our top story on Thursday

:00:25. > :00:42.In the wake of the attacks in Brussels and the hijacking

:00:43. > :00:49.of an Egyptian airliner - the European Commission's top

:00:50. > :00:54.aviation security officials meet to find out how airport security

:00:55. > :00:57.One of China's biggest steel producers records a huge drop

:00:58. > :01:04.in profit - despite plans to increase production.

:01:05. > :01:07.Meanwhile the UK government rules out nationalising the struggling

:01:08. > :01:18.And we'll be getting the Inside Track on running one

:01:19. > :01:20.of Europe's most popular train routes linking the UK to Europe.

:01:21. > :01:23.The boss of Eurostar will join us and talk about the challenges

:01:24. > :01:26.of security - disruption and investing in a new fleet.

:01:27. > :01:29.And Microsoft's controversial experiment in artificial

:01:30. > :01:31.intelligence has made a brief return online -

:01:32. > :01:35.before being taken down after tweeting about marijuana.

:01:36. > :01:54.We want to know - do we expect too much from artificial intelligence?

:01:55. > :02:03.Security officials from all over Europe are due to hold an emergency

:02:04. > :02:07.meeting in Amsterdam to assess whether airport safety

:02:08. > :02:12.It follows the Brussels terror attacks last week,

:02:13. > :02:14.and the hijacking of an Egyptian airliner on Tuesday.

:02:15. > :02:17.The European Commission's Aviation Security committee will be looking

:02:18. > :02:29.at 500 airports - to find out what practical steps can be taken.

:02:30. > :02:37.blasts in the departure airport. This is an area where passengers

:02:38. > :02:52.have not been through security checks.

:02:53. > :02:59.David Learmount, a consulting editor at Flightglobal,

:03:00. > :03:09.Lots of experts looking at this today, what will be come up with?

:03:10. > :03:13.They meet very regularly but what they have done is they have called

:03:14. > :03:15.an extra one. This is an extraordinary meeting.

:03:16. > :03:20.What they are doing is looking at the Brussels event and

:03:21. > :03:24.saying, can we react to this usefully, without too much

:03:25. > :03:28.disruption? One thing they don't want is to disrupt transport because

:03:29. > :03:34.it is economically very harmful. Is it a case here, some people say

:03:35. > :03:42.we need zero risk. That is impossible, it is minimising

:03:43. > :03:47.the number of people that can If they are talking about security

:03:48. > :03:50.checks before you even get into the

:03:51. > :03:58.departure hall, many people are saying, aren't you

:03:59. > :04:00.just pushing the problem further out into the

:04:01. > :04:06.When I spoke to the European Commission about this yesterday, I

:04:07. > :04:09.asked them what new ideas that they have? What

:04:10. > :04:17.they tried to work out is whether they can usefully refine

:04:18. > :04:17.what we already have. What we are talking about

:04:18. > :04:25.the Brussels on, that was in a public area, no security checks

:04:26. > :04:31.before you go in there. You can move it out

:04:32. > :04:33.to the car park by having checks on the entrance. So if you

:04:34. > :04:47.that means there are fewer people in the departure hall. But actually

:04:48. > :04:53.guaranteeing that nobody will be hurt, that is impossible what about

:04:54. > :04:57.some systems already in place that seemed to be effective. In Montreal,

:04:58. > :05:00.there is a staggered, entry system, so you are not

:05:01. > :05:08.to people come two hours before your flight, you are giving people a

:05:09. > :05:11.specific time when they come. Is that unrealistic at somewhere like

:05:12. > :05:19.Heathrow? from Heathrow, we're talking about a

:05:20. > :05:19.relatively speaking, small-town compared

:05:20. > :05:34.so much a security thing as a streaming thing. You can book your

:05:35. > :05:34.place in the queue in advance. It would

:05:35. > :05:45.things they have said, one solution for one airport.

:05:46. > :05:49.They are all different layouts and all different sizes. You cannot have

:05:50. > :06:00.a one size fits all. Every airport When we get news coming out of that

:06:01. > :06:07.emergency meeting in Amsterdam, we will update you.

:06:08. > :06:12.Politicians in Argentina have approved a deal to pay back US

:06:13. > :06:13.creditors, ending a 15-year court battle after defaulting

:06:14. > :06:19.The years-long debt crisis has restricted the country's access

:06:20. > :06:21.to international credit markets and made doing business

:06:22. > :06:35.The UK Business Secretary has ruled out nationalising Britain's biggest

:06:36. > :06:39.steel works - the Port Talbot plant in Wales -

:06:40. > :06:40.but says he's looking at some sort of government support.

:06:41. > :06:43.Indian owner Tata Steel is planning to sell its entire UK business,

:06:44. > :06:46.which employs about 15,000 people - amid a slump in global demand

:06:47. > :06:53.and a surge in cheaper Chinese exports.

:06:54. > :06:55.Royal Dutch Shell says its being investigated by italian prosecutors

:06:56. > :06:58.over its acquisition of a Nigerian oil field.

:06:59. > :07:04.The probe is connected to the 2011 $1.3 billion purchase of Nigeria's

:07:05. > :07:06.OPL-245 offshore oil block by Eni and Shell.

:07:07. > :07:20.The oil giant said it was cooperating with the authorities.

:07:21. > :07:41.Where are travellers going, Spain and the Canary Islands.

:07:42. > :07:43.Their choices are changing as a consequence of the events taking

:07:44. > :07:50.place in the last year. I love Spain and the Canary Islands.

:07:51. > :07:58.ago, but because of security concerns about Egypt,

:07:59. > :08:06.is back as a more popular destination. You are going on

:08:07. > :08:06.holiday, but you are not going to Spain or the Canary

:08:07. > :08:35.China makes more steel than the worst

:08:36. > :08:40.combined, so when they come out today and

:08:41. > :08:51.output by 20%, to 27 million times, many people are scratching their

:08:52. > :08:54.heads asking what is going on. The market has a massive supply which

:08:55. > :08:57.has pushed down prices and causing problems for many companies

:08:58. > :09:13.like Tata and they UK operations. Baosteel has also had problems.

:09:14. > :09:20.China has a very big role to play in the situation. They have been

:09:21. > :09:25.accused of dumping the excess steel products at unfairly low prices

:09:26. > :09:30.around the world. So a lot of other companies cannot compete. We have to

:09:31. > :09:33.take the view that China is suffering as well because millions

:09:34. > :09:38.of jobs have been lost from their steel industry. Baosteel might still

:09:39. > :09:43.be making money but some of the smaller producers have gone

:09:44. > :09:59.bankrupt. The Yellen rally continued

:10:00. > :10:04.in the early part of the session. The markets have been really

:10:05. > :10:08.embracing what the big boss of US Reminding us all, Janet Yellen

:10:09. > :10:11.promised a cautious approach to future US interest rate

:10:12. > :10:13.hikes pointing the finger at the broader global financial

:10:14. > :10:15.concerns. But in Europe, as expected,

:10:16. > :10:17.that rally has eased off. The sliding crude oil prices

:10:18. > :10:20.putting a dampener on that. And looking ahead, lots of important

:10:21. > :10:23.numbers out tomorrow. An indicator of the health

:10:24. > :10:24.of China's manufacturing picture In fact, talking of America,

:10:25. > :10:30.let's find out what should be making the business headlines

:10:31. > :10:42.over there today. We're not going to Michelle a New

:10:43. > :10:50.York, we are going to you, Sally. Let's introduce Richard Dunbar. The

:10:51. > :10:56.end of the first quarter and everyone is trying to assess how it

:10:57. > :11:06.went. It was quite a turbulent one, especially January? Investors have

:11:07. > :11:10.swung from gloom to optimism as we exit the quarter. In February, there

:11:11. > :11:16.were worries and the US economy. We were worried about a precipitous

:11:17. > :11:21.fall in the oil price, that has been abated because it has risen by 30%.

:11:22. > :11:26.We were worried about China, which while it hasn't got any better,

:11:27. > :11:32.probably hasn't got any worse. It has resulted in significant moves on

:11:33. > :11:41.the markets. The fundamentals haven't changed. We're getting the

:11:42. > :11:46.purchasing manager's index, it is look forward from the people who

:11:47. > :11:52.ordered the raw materials to make this stuff. It is probably not

:11:53. > :11:57.likely to be a very good number. No improvement on China. America

:11:58. > :12:01.worsening? I don't think I have ever seen a swing in view on a large

:12:02. > :12:07.economy like America, based on so little information. Janet Yellen

:12:08. > :12:10.must be scratching their head, looking at similar numbers than

:12:11. > :12:14.before and wondering right market investors have swung from room to

:12:15. > :12:21.optimism based on little change in front of them. We will see what the

:12:22. > :12:26.second quarter holds, UK referendum in the second quarter? Which will be

:12:27. > :12:29.of interest. But other factors have more influence. We will watch this

:12:30. > :12:36.space and Richard is coming back. We'll be hearing from

:12:37. > :12:40.the boss of Eurostar. With flat passenger numbers,

:12:41. > :12:42.can the high-speed rail service encourage more people

:12:43. > :12:44.to cross the Channel? You're with Business

:12:45. > :12:51.Live from BBC News. More on the steel industry crisis in

:12:52. > :12:57.the UK. Prime Minister David Cameron

:12:58. > :12:59.is hosting crisis talks on the UK steel industry amid mounting

:13:00. > :13:01.pressure on ministers to guarantee the future of the Port Talbot

:13:02. > :13:04.steelworks and its 5,500 staff. Ben is in Salford looking

:13:05. > :13:07.at what options the UK Government has to support the British

:13:08. > :13:16.steel industry. Am I right by saying the UK

:13:17. > :13:20.Government has pretty much ruled out any type of nationalising?

:13:21. > :13:26.Absolutely right. We have been talking about the implications of

:13:27. > :13:33.the UK steel industry after the announcement that Tata wants to sell

:13:34. > :13:36.off its UK steel industry. The government will try to come up with

:13:37. > :13:42.the plan to safeguard some of those jobs if they can. It has been

:13:43. > :13:48.shrinking industry since the 70s. Since its peak in 1972, it employed

:13:49. > :13:54.200,000 people. Last year, it was 16,000 people. Nonetheless, 16,000

:13:55. > :13:59.jobs is still a significant number and they need to be safeguarded.

:14:00. > :14:05.What options for the government? They have ruled out nationalisation,

:14:06. > :14:08.so there are options like taking an equity stake and a management

:14:09. > :14:14.buyout, weather management take on the firm and run it for themselves.

:14:15. > :14:16.What could happen? The manufacturers organisation have been talking me

:14:17. > :14:22.through some of the potential options. If it does mean the

:14:23. > :14:26.government intervenes and gives a package of support up until the

:14:27. > :14:30.point a buyer is found and then incentivised the buyer to take it

:14:31. > :14:35.on, then the government support, call it what you will, if it is part

:14:36. > :14:41.nationalisation, so be it, but the issue is to find a future buyer and

:14:42. > :14:44.get this purchase over the line and ensure sustainable steel

:14:45. > :14:47.manufacturer. Not only in South Wales but in other plants around the

:14:48. > :14:54.UK. The issue is whether the government can do enough in time.

:14:55. > :14:58.There are concerns Tata want to sell these plants quickly and if it

:14:59. > :15:03.cannot find a buyer, it will simply shut them down. One option is to

:15:04. > :15:07.mothball the site. Run them down, keep on a minimal number of staff

:15:08. > :15:11.with the view perhaps of somebody wanting to come in and make them

:15:12. > :15:15.viable at a later date. A number of options on the table but no

:15:16. > :15:22.information they may take. It is a nervous wait for the staff who are

:15:23. > :15:23.employed there. Plenty more detail, do take a look online when you have

:15:24. > :15:27.time. Our top story: Europe

:15:28. > :15:29.holds emergency talks on making its airports safer,

:15:30. > :15:31.amid growing concern Crossing the English Channel has

:15:32. > :15:40.become easier over the years thanks to Eurostar's high-speed trains,

:15:41. > :15:42.which began service between the UK and Continental Europe

:15:43. > :15:51.more than 20 years ago. Founded in 1994, the

:15:52. > :15:55.company has carried more Eurostar reported profits

:15:56. > :16:05.of $49 million in 2015. This figure was down

:16:06. > :16:09.from the previous year. The company says

:16:10. > :16:13.that the recent terror attacks has weighed on revenues and it had also

:16:14. > :16:15.been forced to increase security as a result of the migrant crisis

:16:16. > :16:26.currently affecting Europe. At the same time, they have invested

:16:27. > :16:29.in a lot of new trains. Nicolas Petrovic is

:16:30. > :16:31.Eurostar's chief executive. He's been in the role

:16:32. > :16:44.since April 2010. Welcome to the programme. Can I get

:16:45. > :16:48.something over because there's lots of things to talk about? Briefly, I

:16:49. > :16:52.will let you get the good news out of the way, finally got the new

:16:53. > :16:55.trains rolling and I've not seen them but apparently they're very

:16:56. > :17:01.good. It's been a long time coming because you have been running some

:17:02. > :17:04.pretty old stock. We love the new trains! We loved the original

:17:05. > :17:09.trains, too but the new trains are amazing. We have just started them

:17:10. > :17:15.and we have more comfort, Wi-Fi, blogs, more space in the seats and

:17:16. > :17:19.it's been a big success. -- plugs. We can carry more passengers in peak

:17:20. > :17:22.which as been problems in the last few years. At peak time, we were

:17:23. > :17:26.four weeks in advance and we could not provide more seat when there was

:17:27. > :17:30.demand. It is really good news for the business because that is how we

:17:31. > :17:34.are going to grow the business further. Those trains at the moment,

:17:35. > :17:38.nine new ones operating between London and Paris but the idea is you

:17:39. > :17:44.can get on one of those to the other destinations, that is the ultimate

:17:45. > :17:48.idea? Reds yes, we are starting with Paris because it is the biggest

:17:49. > :17:51.route. But the trains can go to new destinations at the end of next

:17:52. > :17:54.year, we will go all the way to Amsterdam with those trains which is

:17:55. > :18:01.a big market for us. It is a big bear market. But also, we know that

:18:02. > :18:05.when we offer a new route. -- a big bear market. Lots of people take the

:18:06. > :18:10.Eurostar when we have any view because it is more, Bull. They won't

:18:11. > :18:14.travel by air. It will be the same with Amsterdam. One of the reasons

:18:15. > :18:17.people like those routes to Paris and eventually to Amsterdam embeds

:18:18. > :18:21.of lying is because, let's be frank it is a hassle and given what we are

:18:22. > :18:26.seeing in Brussels recently, it is likely going to be more of a hassle

:18:27. > :18:30.at security but of course, you have security as well. I was wondering,

:18:31. > :18:33.since the attacks in Paris and a recent attack in Brussels and the

:18:34. > :18:40.bombs, have you revamped your security strategy at Eurostar? I

:18:41. > :18:46.mean, no, the security has been at the top level for a long time now.

:18:47. > :18:52.We screen people in the stations, a bit like in an airport. I think it

:18:53. > :18:56.is one of the few rail services with that type of system. What has

:18:57. > :18:59.happened is of course, in all public spaces in all the big cities in

:19:00. > :19:02.Europe, there's a bigger police presence. Otherwise, we have not

:19:03. > :19:07.really changed what we are doing. When things go and most of the time

:19:08. > :19:12.they do, your passengers are very happy. -- when things go well. But

:19:13. > :19:17.when things go wrong, like it did on Good Friday, it can be a disaster. I

:19:18. > :19:21.just looked online to see what the latest news was about your

:19:22. > :19:26.organisation and there was all this bad press about Good Friday in St

:19:27. > :19:29.Pancras, hundreds of people penned in, for six and a half hours, saying

:19:30. > :19:33.no one was told what was going on with a couple of cancellations

:19:34. > :19:36.causing complete chaos. Surely that should not really happen in terms of

:19:37. > :19:41.how it is handled and how people are looked after? Yes, I'm sure we could

:19:42. > :19:48.have done better and I'm really sorry for the people involved. We

:19:49. > :19:51.had a track problem so we had to only have one train out of London

:19:52. > :19:56.and because the trains were so full, it was Good Friday, people had to

:19:57. > :20:02.wait to be rebooked on the next train. We wanted them to travel that

:20:03. > :20:06.day. We would offer that but for the ones, the last ones to travel, it

:20:07. > :20:10.was a long wait and I'm really sorry for them. And also, with the new

:20:11. > :20:16.trains, you can get many more people on but when it does go wrong, that's

:20:17. > :20:20.900 people waiting, stuck. Exactly, and that is why we are investing a

:20:21. > :20:24.lot in the stations at the moment to make them bigger. Paris will be the

:20:25. > :20:28.first because it requires more capacity. And then we will invest in

:20:29. > :20:32.London, just because the growth in the market is there. That is why we

:20:33. > :20:37.got the trains, to grow the business. That is why we invest. I

:20:38. > :20:42.want to get this in, the Germans are coming! They are watching you very

:20:43. > :20:48.closely. I know they have delayed their start-up but they are coming

:20:49. > :20:50.along the line. Apparently Deustchebahn is a very good

:20:51. > :20:55.operation and it will give you competition, no doubt. Yes, it will

:20:56. > :20:59.be competition but for me, the competition is more against

:21:00. > :21:03.airlines. If Deustchebahn comes, it will be more publicity for the rail

:21:04. > :21:07.link. For me, the big competition is, if you live in London, you can

:21:08. > :21:11.go to so many city break destinations in Europe nowadays. If

:21:12. > :21:15.you go to Paris, people will take the Eurostar and they can go to

:21:16. > :21:20.Rome, Barcelona and so forth. That is where we are competing.

:21:21. > :21:24.Interesting about city break. And quickly, a brief answer because we

:21:25. > :21:28.are out of time, running this kind of operation, what keeps you awake

:21:29. > :21:31.at night? You have the migrant crisis, people trying to get through

:21:32. > :21:36.the tunnel, the possibility of a terrorist attack on a train. How do

:21:37. > :21:42.you handle all of that on a personal level? Is it something you worry

:21:43. > :21:46.about? How do you cope with that? You don't worry about things because

:21:47. > :21:52.otherwise you can't act. You literally just have to be always on

:21:53. > :21:55.the ball. As a company, we are trying to mitigate as much as

:21:56. > :21:59.possible the risk because there is no zero risk in life. It is true

:22:00. > :22:06.that at the moment, there are lots of things changing. In the past 12

:22:07. > :22:09.months, it has been a big sea change in Europe. We have two imagine the

:22:10. > :22:13.best we can and I know we have very good teams and we are very well

:22:14. > :22:15.organised which is why I'm relaxed! Thank you for joining us. Good to

:22:16. > :22:17.have you on the show. France is braced for more strikes

:22:18. > :22:20.and protests today over proposed reforms to

:22:21. > :22:21.the country's labour laws. The Government wants an end

:22:22. > :22:26.to the rigid 35-hour working week - the shortest in any European country

:22:27. > :22:30.- which it says is helping keep Last week, the Cabinet agreed

:22:31. > :22:37.to reforms where staff could be asked to work 48 hours in a week,

:22:38. > :22:41.or even 60 in special circumstances, but only if they still average 35

:22:42. > :22:46.hours over a three-month period. Today's action looks set

:22:47. > :22:50.to cause disruption to public services, public transport and even

:22:51. > :23:04.TV services around the country. Today is the real big test for the

:23:05. > :23:08.French labour law. The unions which oppose it have promised a big

:23:09. > :23:11.turnout on the streets and if they can bring the numbers out, they have

:23:12. > :23:16.still got a chance to put pressure on the government to change the text

:23:17. > :23:22.yet again. Let's not forget, the government has already substantially

:23:23. > :23:25.watered down this bill. The aim of the reform to the labour code was to

:23:26. > :23:29.make it easier, less scary for companies to take on staff. At the

:23:30. > :23:34.beginning, business in general was very much in favour. But since then,

:23:35. > :23:39.the government has removed a lot of the key provisions, which has

:23:40. > :23:42.angered business, without particularly satisfying the left and

:23:43. > :23:45.the unions, which wants the whole thing completely scrapped. So the

:23:46. > :23:50.government is getting it from both sides at this time, just when you

:23:51. > :23:54.reminders are coming in of how desperately France needs reform. The

:23:55. > :24:01.latest unemployment figures show that thereafter in .6 million

:24:02. > :24:03.people, a record, out of work. -- there are 3.6 million. Other

:24:04. > :24:05.countries in Europe have this problem and are winning, are

:24:06. > :24:10.bringing down unemployment at not France.

:24:11. > :24:12.Hugh Schofield keeping us up-to-date with how things are going in France.

:24:13. > :24:14.Richard Dunbar, investment director at Aberdeen Asset Management

:24:15. > :24:25.This is the Sydney morning Herald Digital life section, Microsoft's

:24:26. > :24:30.artificial intelligence bot returns to Twitter and immediately goes off

:24:31. > :24:35.the rails again. She has got a foul-mouthed! She has no idea of the

:24:36. > :24:38.dos and don'ts of social media. Artificial intelligences everywhere,

:24:39. > :24:42.in finance and medicine, has been one of the great new things and

:24:43. > :24:44.Microsoft things it can be a great thing on Twitter. Artificial

:24:45. > :24:50.intelligence learns from the people around it. But she is not learning!

:24:51. > :24:54.Well you say that budgies obviously learning but from the wrong people.

:24:55. > :24:57.How to smoke marijuana apparently. Orange Micro last week, she made

:24:58. > :25:01.sexist and racist comments and this week she sent a spam attack to her

:25:02. > :25:05.new friends. I do know if this is thought of as a success. Is she

:25:06. > :25:12.learning from those around her or is she reflecting them? I don't know.

:25:13. > :25:16.The viewers have got in touch about this very quickly. "Both Human and

:25:17. > :25:20.artificial intelligence should, meant each other for efficiency".

:25:21. > :25:25.Thank you very much for all of your tweet even though we don't have time

:25:26. > :25:31.to mention them. Samsung are being seeded by Pele because they used a

:25:32. > :25:36.lookalike. Tells you what companies do when they don't like the price so

:25:37. > :25:39.Pele's price was obviously too high but it shines a light on image

:25:40. > :25:42.rights for footballers and gives you an idea of the value of footballers

:25:43. > :25:48.and why big clubs are willing to pay so much for them. Pele is suing for

:25:49. > :25:51.$30 million and apparently it's all about getting the right lawyers so

:25:52. > :25:53.they can make their trunk of change as well.