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:00:00. > :00:08.This is Business Live from BBC News with Sally Bundock and Ben Thompson.

:00:09. > :00:15.Can Opec fire up the price of oil without fuelling

:00:16. > :00:38.Live from London, that's our top story on Thursday 25th May.

:00:39. > :00:41.The price of Brent Crude is already on the rise as the Opec cartel

:00:42. > :00:50.recommends a nine month extension to production cuts.

:00:51. > :00:57.President Trump comes under pressure from European leaders to stick

:00:58. > :01:03.with the Paris agreement on climate change.

:01:04. > :01:11.He is meeting with them today and we will tell you all you need to know.

:01:12. > :01:14.Markets are trading higher, taking their lead from Asia.

:01:15. > :01:17.And I sit down with the man who makes Hollywood Blockbusters

:01:18. > :01:21.Jason Blum tells me why making movies on the cheap gives him more

:01:22. > :01:27.And as the boss of J Crew says he underestimated how technology

:01:28. > :01:34.We want to know how has it tech changed the way you shop?

:01:35. > :01:59.Do get in touch about your online retail shopping experiences. What

:02:00. > :02:01.did you buy in the midnight hour after a big night out? That will be

:02:02. > :02:03.interesting! We start with the price of oil

:02:04. > :02:06.and whether that goes up or down will be decided later at a meeting

:02:07. > :02:09.of the world's top producers. Opec - the Organisation

:02:10. > :02:11.of the Petroleum Exporting Countries is led by Saudi Arabia,

:02:12. > :02:14.with other major producers including They're being joined by non-Opec

:02:15. > :02:19.members inclduing Russia and are expected to announce a deal

:02:20. > :02:23.later to try and push prices higher. In December Opec and non-Opec

:02:24. > :02:36.countries agreed to cut production by 1.8 million barrels

:02:37. > :02:38.per day, about 2% Those cuts were agreed for six

:02:39. > :02:45.months, but that expires in June. After yesterday's meeting to monitor

:02:46. > :02:48.progress on that a nine month The price of Brent rose sharply

:02:49. > :02:53.in December when those That was the trigger point in

:02:54. > :02:59.December last year. But it's been volatile

:03:00. > :03:01.since then and struggling Russia can cope with this level -

:03:02. > :03:08.Moscow has based its budget But the biggest Opec producer

:03:09. > :03:18.Saudi Arabia wants $60 per barrel. Shale oil production

:03:19. > :03:27.in the US fell sharply when prices hit rock bottom -

:03:28. > :03:30.it just wasn't worth their while to But now prices are higher they're

:03:31. > :03:35.back - and their technology is improving making it cheaper

:03:36. > :03:39.and more efficient. And it means US oil production has

:03:40. > :03:44.surged by a million barrels a day over the past year

:03:45. > :03:49.and all that is adding With me is Alan Gelder, an expert

:03:50. > :04:11.at oil analysts, Wood Mackenzie. Welcome to the programme. A lot to

:04:12. > :04:19.get through, Saleh laying out some of the issues and that is what Opec

:04:20. > :04:25.the break even point, what price do the break even point, what price do

:04:26. > :04:31.certain countries needed to be. That will be a key point of the

:04:32. > :04:34.negotiations. Saudi Arabia has declared 60 and other countries need

:04:35. > :04:40.a higher number to achieve a fiscal balance. If not, they need to borrow

:04:41. > :04:46.Opec need a higher number, Opec need a higher number,

:04:47. > :04:53.Venezuelan would be the highest. How hopeful of a that they will get the

:04:54. > :04:58.higher price? If they sustain production cuts over the next nine

:04:59. > :05:01.months, we might get to level the Saudis are expecting towards the end

:05:02. > :05:08.of the year, but something that is high 50s by the end of the year. We

:05:09. > :05:12.should say non-Opec members, Russia involved in this. They are concerned

:05:13. > :05:16.about the United States. We talked about shale production coming

:05:17. > :05:23.online. A real contender because it is the traditional producers we

:05:24. > :05:28.associate this with. When the price fell saw a lot of the production

:05:29. > :05:35.falling away, but this is coming back? This is Opec's dilemma, there

:05:36. > :05:40.is a new player in town. They can do it in a commercial way, so the

:05:41. > :05:44.challenge for Opec is, with these cuts, when do they online the cuts?

:05:45. > :05:49.What is the pacing of that, how does the manual group work? We're looking

:05:50. > :05:54.at the extension to nine months because the first quarter is when

:05:55. > :05:59.demand dips and that is not when you want to return barrels to the

:06:00. > :06:03.market. We saw parallels as far as the price is concerned in trying to

:06:04. > :06:07.push shale producers out of business, so there is a threshold,

:06:08. > :06:11.there is no point in getting this oil out of the ground in terms of

:06:12. > :06:17.shale because it is expensive. We have seen technology improve that

:06:18. > :06:21.makes it cheaper to get shale out of the ground, so that argument doesn't

:06:22. > :06:27.work any more? It is a balance. We have seen a number of companies

:06:28. > :06:30.fail, but we have seen consolidation, costs come down and

:06:31. > :06:34.technology improvement has meant it has gone from break evens of 60 to

:06:35. > :06:41.50. The question we have, what the balance between technology

:06:42. > :06:46.improvements and cost inflation as a result of activity which requires

:06:47. > :06:50.higher prices. There has been a big development in West Texas, that is

:06:51. > :06:56.where most of the growth is coming from. Other places near higher

:06:57. > :07:00.prices. Opec is facing a different dynamic now than its traditional

:07:01. > :07:01.market. It is so different how things have changed. Thank you for

:07:02. > :07:05.explaining that. The White House has denied

:07:06. > :07:11.accusations that the President's budget proposals contain

:07:12. > :07:12.a serious maths error. Former US Treasury Secretary Larry

:07:13. > :07:18.Summers says the spending plan $2 trillion of extra federal revenue

:07:19. > :07:22.twice - by using it to both to cut But White House's budget director

:07:23. > :07:29.says he stands by the numbers. The budget unveiled

:07:30. > :07:40.on Tuesday proposed deep cuts Aston Martin has posted a

:07:41. > :07:44.first-quarter profit for the first time in a decade. Revenues in the

:07:45. > :07:49.first three months of the year more than doubled after strong sales of

:07:50. > :07:56.its new model. It was sold by Ford in 2007 to its investment firms. The

:07:57. > :07:59.company has gone bankrupt seven times in its history and is now

:08:00. > :08:03.reported to consider a stock market flotation in London next year.

:08:04. > :08:07.Mongolia has received a $5.5 billion aid package

:08:08. > :08:09.to stabilise its economy and push through much-needed reforms.

:08:10. > :08:12.In return, Mongolia agreed to cut spending and raise taxes

:08:13. > :08:16.as well as build a stronger network for its financial services.

:08:17. > :08:20.The resource-rich nation which holds presidential elections next month

:08:21. > :08:31.suffered a slowdown after commodity prices collapsed, and demand slowed.

:08:32. > :08:36.Not often we talk about Mongolia and not often we talk about the next

:08:37. > :08:37.story either. A Chinese group is buying

:08:38. > :08:39.the world's second Humanwell Healthcare Group will pay

:08:40. > :08:43.the Australian health care giant Ansell $600 million

:08:44. > :09:04.for the business. It is a big deal? It is. It is a

:09:05. > :09:16.condom brand named after James bond. They are selling their business to

:09:17. > :09:23.the Chinese consortium. You have Humanwell health care group,

:09:24. > :09:30.partners and among the brands its selling sounds like James Bond.

:09:31. > :09:38.China's condom market is lucrative, set to triple by $5 million and that

:09:39. > :09:42.is according to a report out. There is a lot more awareness of the

:09:43. > :09:48.benefits of condom is. Sales in China have jumped in two double

:09:49. > :09:57.digits in a year. And also the manufacture of wide range of drugs

:09:58. > :10:01.to contraceptive drugs to HIV test kits. There are many Chinese

:10:02. > :10:06.manufacturers seeking to buy foreign firms to try to expand beyond their

:10:07. > :10:11.home market and no big surprise that the shares have jumped above 4% in

:10:12. > :10:14.Australia today but we note the transaction is still subject to

:10:15. > :10:18.regulation and approval. It is expected to be completed by the end

:10:19. > :10:21.of September. Could be a breaking news story when the regulators give

:10:22. > :10:34.its approval. Thank you very much. I have to say, it is green arrows

:10:35. > :10:39.across the board. The broader market in America, with another record high

:10:40. > :10:46.on Wall Street. Markets across Asia doing well, a weaker dollar of the

:10:47. > :10:50.back of what was said on the back of the Federal Reserve minutes. We will

:10:51. > :10:57.cut that in a second. Let's look at Europe now. Slightly higher. Could

:10:58. > :11:01.see another record high for the FTSE 100? Another record close. It is

:11:02. > :11:04.interesting to see how markets are trading around the world and we will

:11:05. > :11:06.talk about that in detail in a moment, but let's look ahead to what

:11:07. > :11:14.is on Wall Street. On Thursday, Sears will be reporting

:11:15. > :11:18.earnings. They warned investors in March there was a chance it may not

:11:19. > :11:25.be able to continue operating after years of losses and declining sales.

:11:26. > :11:30.But Sears has said it is expecting a net profit as it undertakes a plan

:11:31. > :11:35.to cut $1.25 billion in costs this year. In contrast, dollar tree is

:11:36. > :11:40.expecting stronger earnings this quarter and are boosted by a higher

:11:41. > :11:45.in-store traffic. Several retailers have blamed low traffic in stores

:11:46. > :11:53.for very weak sales. Finally, there will be a new company trading on the

:11:54. > :11:58.New York Stock Exchange on Thursday. Wide-open West is the sixth largest

:11:59. > :12:03.cable operator in the United States and will trade under the symbol Wow!

:12:04. > :12:04.Joining us is Tom Stebenson, Investment Director

:12:05. > :12:15.Good morning. Let's talk the Fed. I like your glasses. Where are your

:12:16. > :12:22.glasses by the way? I just haven't got them on. All eyes were on the

:12:23. > :12:25.Fed yesterday and expectation is still of June rate rise, but some

:12:26. > :12:33.doubts creeping in yesterday, is that fair to say? Yes, two keywords,

:12:34. > :12:36.the first was soon. The Fed rate setters said they felt if things

:12:37. > :12:41.carry Dom on their current trajectory it would be appropriate

:12:42. > :12:44.to raise interest rates soon. The second was transitory. The reason

:12:45. > :12:49.why they think they will raise rate is because they think the recent

:12:50. > :12:54.sockless in economy, softness in the inflation is transitory and it will

:12:55. > :12:57.pass. The odds are very short on June rate rise and another one in

:12:58. > :13:02.September and then potential will turn to how the Federal Reserve

:13:03. > :13:08.starts to unwind its balance sheet. It has bought $4.5 trillion of bonds

:13:09. > :13:13.to try to underpin the economy. It has two let them role off an

:13:14. > :13:20.reversed that easing policy. In the meantime you have the SNP closing on

:13:21. > :13:25.a high, the FTSE 100, it would suggest markets are on the up? Yes,

:13:26. > :13:29.markets are looking at not rising interest rates, but the reason why

:13:30. > :13:33.interest rates are rising. The reason why the Feds feel relaxed

:13:34. > :13:37.about pushing rate is because the global economy is picking up pace

:13:38. > :13:45.and that is what markets are focused on. For now, thank you. Retail

:13:46. > :13:47.shopping disasters, have a ponder on back.

:13:48. > :13:52.I meet the man who makes some of Hollywood's biggest

:13:53. > :13:57.And without the big money pressure, Jason Blum tells me it means he can

:13:58. > :14:08.You're with Business Live from BBC News.

:14:09. > :14:11.Bicycle and Motoring chain Halfords saw a 10% drop in profits,

:14:12. > :14:20.The retailer blamed the weak pound for driving up the cost of imports.

:14:21. > :14:31.Andrew Walker has been looking at the figures.

:14:32. > :14:42.Did you cycle in this morning? I normally would have done, but sadly

:14:43. > :14:46.not. Let's talk numbers. Halfords, the same tale, the weak pound

:14:47. > :14:52.affecting their bottom right? Yes, this is a business whose revenues

:14:53. > :14:57.are in Stirling, selling stuff to British customers but has a high

:14:58. > :15:04.proportion of its costs on imported goods. It has two convert sterling

:15:05. > :15:08.into Borren currency. That has been reflected in a decline in the

:15:09. > :15:11.profits despite relatively good performance on revenues. The chief

:15:12. > :15:16.executive says she has been pleased with the performance in that

:15:17. > :15:24.respect. The company puts a figure of ?14 million on the cost of the

:15:25. > :15:29.decline in sterling. The way in which it has impacted its outgoings.

:15:30. > :15:34.That is more than the decline in profits. It does suggest the company

:15:35. > :15:38.is, if you like, getting on top of this issue. But it is an unwelcome

:15:39. > :15:47.development for shareholders. It is a striking contrast compared with

:15:48. > :15:51.many in the 100 share index, bigger companies who make a lot of money in

:15:52. > :15:55.foreign currency, they have done well. But those more dependent on

:15:56. > :16:01.the bridge 's consumer have suffered. If you look at the share

:16:02. > :16:04.price, it fell sharply by 25% in the immediate aftermath of the

:16:05. > :16:20.referendum. It has recovered a lot of the ground since car but not all

:16:21. > :16:23.Thank you. Other retailers out, Pets At Home looking pretty good, they

:16:24. > :16:27.are making their money in the grooming service and the veterinary

:16:28. > :16:31.service as well. They saw a big rise in the veterinary business, up 25%,

:16:32. > :16:38.but they are having to admit they will have to bring down their pet

:16:39. > :16:41.food prices, which I would imagine for Pets At Home, that is your

:16:42. > :16:43.bog-standard. I am just looking at that hairdo, quite a bow on the dog

:16:44. > :16:47.in the picture. You're watching Business Live -

:16:48. > :16:57.our top story... We are watching closely the price of

:16:58. > :17:01.oil today, and Opec and non-Opec members who are meeting in Vienna to

:17:02. > :17:06.decide on whether they will extend their supply cuts and whether that

:17:07. > :17:09.will have any impact on prices. Something that might use a lot of

:17:10. > :17:12.oil, a rocket launch. New Zealand has successfully

:17:13. > :17:14.launched its first test rocket into space -

:17:15. > :17:16.the work of a Kiwi-American The seventeen-metre high craft

:17:17. > :17:20.took-off from a private launch pad on New Zealand's North Island

:17:21. > :17:22.and is designed to carry small A company in New Zealand has sent

:17:23. > :17:35.a rocket into space from the world's The launch was a success but

:17:36. > :17:40.crucially didn't get into orbit, explained that for us? This is a

:17:41. > :17:48.Little Rock it, much smaller than something you might see Nasa launch,

:17:49. > :17:51.only 70 metres tall, and designed, as you say, the tiny cube satellites

:17:52. > :17:55.that are revolutionising the markets. They made it into space,

:17:56. > :17:59.took about three winners to get up there but not quite into orbit. The

:18:00. > :18:06.company stressed this is just a test, in fact the launch was

:18:07. > :18:11.codenamed hashtag it's a test, just to make sure everyone knows this is

:18:12. > :18:15.not good for them, and they will launch later this year again, also a

:18:16. > :18:20.test, then on the third test they will take a pay payload with them.

:18:21. > :18:26.This fast developing market is really what they want to get into.

:18:27. > :18:30.It is companies not countries in the space race at the moment, and it is

:18:31. > :18:33.a beak -- a big leap forward for this.

:18:34. > :18:35.Making films on a tight budget isn't easy -

:18:36. > :18:38.One firm that's made its name with micro-budget films

:18:39. > :18:50.One of its first films was Paranormal Activity.

:18:51. > :18:53.It cost just $15,000 to make - but made nearly $200 million

:18:54. > :18:57.It then went on to produce another horror film called Insidious -

:18:58. > :19:03.production costs there were a bit higher -

:19:04. > :19:11.And it's a niche it's continued to pursue.

:19:12. > :19:13.Get Out - released in January this year -

:19:14. > :19:23.has already made more than $230 million at the box

:19:24. > :19:25.office but cost just $4.5 million to make.

:19:26. > :19:27.So I caught up with the founder and chief executive

:19:28. > :19:28.of Blumhouse Productions - Jason Blum.

:19:29. > :19:31.And asked what makes these low budget films so different

:19:32. > :19:36.It allows us to try very different things. We did the purge, get out,

:19:37. > :19:41.split, all low-budget movies, but they wouldn't have got made at 820

:19:42. > :19:45.or $15 million, typical studio budget, because their ideas were

:19:46. > :19:50.such oddball ideas. But by doing low-budget movies we can try weird

:19:51. > :19:53.ones. So talk us through the financing. This is very much about

:19:54. > :19:56.not spending a lot of money up front, and then with the marketing

:19:57. > :20:01.budget you manage to turn these movies into really big returns. The

:20:02. > :20:05.green light about movies is very simple because again they are

:20:06. > :20:09.low-budget, not a lot of risk. The real big moment for our movies is

:20:10. > :20:19.whether or not they get a wide release around the world or not.

:20:20. > :20:23.And, oddly, the marketing budget for our movies is six times the negative

:20:24. > :20:28.cost. So our green light is we are going to release it in 3000 screens.

:20:29. > :20:31.That we don't determine until after the movie is finished, we determine

:20:32. > :20:37.it with a studio, and that is when we know we have a winner, when we

:20:38. > :20:40.will get a big release. So what does this low-cost model do that you

:20:41. > :20:45.couldn't do if you had a multi-million dollar budget? You

:20:46. > :20:48.don't have two cast movie stars, you can kill the hero of the movie

:20:49. > :20:53.halfway into it, it is a great freedom, and also not to have a 3000

:20:54. > :20:58.screen release hanging over your head. So it really allows us to try

:20:59. > :21:02.different things. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but

:21:03. > :21:08.when it doesn't work we don't get hurt too badly. If you had a massive

:21:09. > :21:13.budget, what could you not do? Expensive movies by definition have

:21:14. > :21:16.two appeal to all four quadrants of the audience, so the storytelling I

:21:17. > :21:22.think gets watered down, and the decision is very much by committee.

:21:23. > :21:26.The fun of movie-making is I think if this rated, the bigger the budget

:21:27. > :21:29.is. Then they'll like the storytelling and everything else

:21:30. > :21:34.gets compromised. We only only make a certain kind of movie, thrillers

:21:35. > :21:39.and genre movies, which really benefit from low-budget. I don't

:21:40. > :21:45.presume to think that every movie could be made on a low budget. If I

:21:46. > :21:52.go and see a vengeance, we want to see -- if we go and see the

:21:53. > :21:57.avengers. We want to see big budgets. You have to spend a bit

:21:58. > :22:01.more money on TV, why is that? Micro-budget doesn't work the TV

:22:02. > :22:05.because the television market is a much healthier market. The way we do

:22:06. > :22:09.low-budget movies, everyone works are free, we don't take a fee, the

:22:10. > :22:19.actors, the director, the writer, they all work for low pay scale, if

:22:20. > :22:23.it works, people get paid, if it doesn't, they don't. For TV, in a

:22:24. > :22:27.movie, we say we're not going to pay you but you get to do what you want

:22:28. > :22:29.to do is very a feeling in the movie business. In television if you said

:22:30. > :22:33.that, they would say it is good to hear that, but this guy over here is

:22:34. > :22:38.going to pay me and I get to do what I want to do. So it is much more

:22:39. > :22:40.competitive. For that reason micro-budget in TV is not the

:22:41. > :22:45.solution. We have a different idea of how to crack TV but it's not

:22:46. > :22:50.that. Are you ever surprised when you see the success of your movies,

:22:51. > :22:55.how well they do? Well, a hit movie is a magical thing. No matter how

:22:56. > :23:00.many times it happens, when we have one, get out was our most recent

:23:01. > :23:04.success, and we thought it was going to do quite well, and it opened, and

:23:05. > :23:08.it had a very good opening, not our best but a very good opening

:23:09. > :23:11.weekend. But when we knew it was something special was the second

:23:12. > :23:17.weekend, because typically genre movies dropped 50 to 60% from the

:23:18. > :23:26.first weekend to the second. Yet Outcrop about forgiveness and. We

:23:27. > :23:30.knew the magic had happened -- Get Out dropped about 20%. If I stop

:23:31. > :23:33.getting thrilled it is time for me to do something else because that is

:23:34. > :23:37.the fun of the business, that no one really knows until these movies come

:23:38. > :23:42.out into the world, and when they resonate or connected a big way

:23:43. > :23:45.there is better. Really interesting chat with him about how he does it

:23:46. > :23:51.on the cheap. That brings in some massive returns on those films. Tom

:23:52. > :23:54.is back and we are going to talk about President Trump, who is in

:23:55. > :23:58.Brussels right now meeting with European leaders. There is lots to

:23:59. > :24:02.discuss. But from the point of view of Brussels, they will be putting a

:24:03. > :24:05.lot of pressure on the US president to stick to the Paris climate

:24:06. > :24:10.accord. Front page of the Financial Times today. It follows on from his

:24:11. > :24:14.meeting with the Pope yesterday, which was a similar theme. That's

:24:15. > :24:20.right, when the Pope handed him one of the that can's in cyclicals, a

:24:21. > :24:23.big report on climate change, to encourage him to changes thinking.

:24:24. > :24:27.Donald Trump hasn't achieved everything he planned to deliver one

:24:28. > :24:29.of the things he has done, a lot of executive orders reversing climate

:24:30. > :24:34.change issues. The Europeans are very keen to change his view on

:24:35. > :24:37.this. The German line is particularly interesting, because

:24:38. > :24:42.what they are saying the President Trump is, look, it is not just jobs

:24:43. > :24:46.or reversing climate change, you can have both, but actually these

:24:47. > :24:49.measures can be good economic growth and the jobs as well. It is quite

:24:50. > :24:53.interesting, because when you think about this, during the election

:24:54. > :24:57.campaign he said many times he would rip up the Paris accord. When you

:24:58. > :25:02.think about the time, the effort and the energy to get to these accords,

:25:03. > :25:06.the transpacific partnership, Obamacare, Paris climate change, it

:25:07. > :25:09.is years of negotiations and hours and hours of discussions.

:25:10. > :25:15.Absolutely, and what we are seeing is a real split in the White House

:25:16. > :25:18.actually between those who are really firmly against action against

:25:19. > :25:25.climate change, and those who are more persuaded. I think Peter this

:25:26. > :25:29.might be his daughter, Ivanka, and her husband Jared Kushner, who

:25:30. > :25:33.really are much more along the European way of thinking that maybe

:25:34. > :25:39.the president. Tom, thank you, really good to see you. I want to

:25:40. > :25:43.talk about shops and retailing. You are getting in touch with us and we

:25:44. > :25:47.have asked about the underestimation of the power of technology. This

:25:48. > :25:52.went as I can't remember the last time I bought something in the

:25:53. > :25:57.street. I use my phone and return it using the label. Not good for bricks

:25:58. > :25:59.and mortar retailers. That is all from Business Live, we will see you

:26:00. > :26:12.very soon. Good morning. Yesterday was the

:26:13. > :26:16.warmest day of the year so far. We got to 26.6 Celsius in

:26:17. > :26:21.Worcestershire. Today is actually going to be even warmer. Hot across

:26:22. > :26:22.most parts of the UK and there