:00:02. > :00:06.Tonight at ten: Another surge in unemployment adds
:00:06. > :00:15.to the pressure on the coalition. It's the biggest rise in two years
:00:15. > :00:19.and takes the jobless total to more than 2.5 million. I have been
:00:19. > :00:23.looking for a job for a year and-a- half and I have applied to about
:00:23. > :00:25.100 shops and nobody has had the decency to it replied.
:00:26. > :00:31.questions about the Government's economic strategyas Labour says
:00:31. > :00:37.it's time to change. He's just like all the others, for him
:00:37. > :00:41.unemployment is a price worth paying. The truth is, Mr Speaker,
:00:41. > :00:44.it was the last government that robbed young people of their future
:00:44. > :00:47.by piling up the debt. And all this as the unions announce
:00:47. > :00:50.a day of industrial action over pension reform. We'll be asking how
:00:50. > :00:53.likely it is that ministers will change tack. Also tonight:
:00:53. > :00:58.Dire warnings as European leaders try to save Greece from defaulting
:00:58. > :01:01.on its debts. One of the men who claimed he was
:01:01. > :01:10.held at a travellers' site in Bedfordshire tells us about his
:01:10. > :01:14.experience. It is not your life, it is not your life at all, it is
:01:14. > :01:16.almost like you are incarcerated. In Pakistan, a warning that this
:01:16. > :01:19.year's floods are even worse than last year's.
:01:19. > :01:29.And a 300th birthday gift to St Paul's Cathedral - we report on a
:01:29. > :01:32.
:01:32. > :01:42.And on sport, tonight's Champions League matches and it looks like
:01:42. > :01:52.
:01:52. > :01:55.The Good evening. The coalition's economic strategy
:01:55. > :02:01.has been tested by another surge in unemployment and the prospect of
:02:01. > :02:04.extensive industrial action later this year. The number of jobless is
:02:04. > :02:08.now more than 2.5 million. Ministers said it was disappointing
:02:08. > :02:11.news. They were also disappointed with the unions' plans for a
:02:11. > :02:18.national day of action on November 30th over reform of public sector
:02:18. > :02:28.pensions. More on that in a moment, but first Hugh Pym reports on the
:02:28. > :02:28.
:02:28. > :02:33.For the Chancellor and Number 11 Downing Street, another economic
:02:33. > :02:38.problem has arrived at his front door. And 80,000 increase in the
:02:38. > :02:42.number out of work, the biggest rise since the recession in 2009.
:02:42. > :02:46.Young people are bearing a heavy burden. Unemployment among 16 to 24
:02:46. > :02:51.year-olds has jumped again. These youngsters in Bristol told us of
:02:51. > :02:56.their struggle to find jobs. I have applied -- applied to about 100
:02:56. > :03:00.shops and nobody has replied. has been hard to find one. Every
:03:00. > :03:03.weekend going out and getting turned away and applying for jobs
:03:04. > :03:07.that are available and not getting them. Female unemployment is now
:03:07. > :03:13.the highest in 20 years. This training centre in Nottingham helps
:03:13. > :03:17.women in their search for work. Cheryl was a retail executive but
:03:17. > :03:22.was made redundant and so far she hasn't found anything. At first as
:03:22. > :03:26.a manager, I was looking for a manager position. But now, just
:03:26. > :03:32.because I don't want to be on benefits, I am willing to do a
:03:32. > :03:36.cleaning job or work in a bar or waitress. I am that determined.
:03:36. > :03:39.UK workforce story until now has been public sector job cuts with
:03:39. > :03:43.private sector job creation more than compensated for that, leaving
:03:43. > :03:48.total employment increasing and ministers have been quick to point
:03:48. > :03:51.that out. The latest figures over a three-month period paint a
:03:51. > :03:54.three-month period paint a different picture. Between April
:03:54. > :03:57.and June private-sector employment rose by 41,000, but that was
:03:57. > :04:01.rose by 41,000, but that was outweighed by a plunge of 111,000
:04:01. > :04:07.in the public sector total over the same period. The last six months,
:04:07. > :04:11.the job market has stalled. Six months ago, we saw the financial
:04:11. > :04:15.services sector hiring like nobody's business. Over the summer,
:04:15. > :04:18.there has been this dramatic downturn. The latest jobless
:04:18. > :04:24.figures provoked some furious exchanges across the floor of the
:04:24. > :04:29.House of Commons. For every two jobs being cut from the public
:04:29. > :04:34.sector, less than one group is being created in the private sector.
:04:34. > :04:37.Isn't that the clearest sign yet that his policy just isn't working?
:04:37. > :04:40.This government is reducing the welfare bill and his reforming
:04:40. > :04:44.public sector pensions. If we weren't taking those steps, you
:04:44. > :04:47.would have to make deeper cuts in terms of the rest of the public
:04:47. > :04:51.sector, he would be having even more unemployment in the public
:04:51. > :04:54.sector. Unemployment in Scotland has fallen, the First Minister said
:04:54. > :04:59.this was partly down to a higher spending on big projects like
:04:59. > :05:03.motorways. Jobs going up in Scotland and down and the rest of
:05:03. > :05:08.the UK, we have more capital investment. Trying to spread
:05:08. > :05:14.economic security and confidence as opposed insecurity. That is the
:05:14. > :05:18.Plan B George Osborne should take. But nowhere in the UK are there any
:05:18. > :05:23.signs of a rapid improvement. Indeed, some experts say
:05:23. > :05:26.unemployment could yet reach two point 75 million.
:05:26. > :05:29.As we've heard, millions of public sector workers from as many as 20
:05:29. > :05:33.unions are to be balloted on a national day of industrial action
:05:33. > :05:35.on changes to their pensions. The action is set to take place on
:05:35. > :05:38.November 30th, the day after the Chancellor unveils his autumn
:05:38. > :05:40.statement on the economy. Civil servants, fire-fighters and some
:05:40. > :05:49.teachers could be among those taking part. Our industry
:05:49. > :05:53.correspondent Jon Moylan has the Individually, they are some of the
:05:53. > :05:59.most powerful unions in Britain, but now they are united in a
:05:59. > :06:03.dispute that could bring more than 2 million workers out on strike.
:06:04. > :06:09.I'd give formal notice to 9,000 employers that we are now balloting
:06:09. > :06:13.for industrial action. G M B is proud to support not just this
:06:13. > :06:17.conference, but then moved straight away to industrial action ballots.
:06:17. > :06:23.We are giving notice of our intention to ballot for industrial
:06:23. > :06:29.action. This will be the biggest trade union mobilisation for a
:06:29. > :06:33.generation. It means that on 30th November, council workers could
:06:33. > :06:38.down tools, bins may not be collected, schools could close and
:06:38. > :06:41.essential services could be hit. This level of co-ordination among
:06:41. > :06:44.some main trade unions is relatively rare and it does
:06:44. > :06:49.underline the strength of feeling there is over this pension issue.
:06:49. > :06:54.The row is over plans to cut the cost of public sector pensions by
:06:54. > :06:59.�2.8 billion a year. Unions claim it will mean employees will pay
:06:59. > :07:05.more in contributions and work considerably longer. Only to end up
:07:05. > :07:10.with a smaller payout in the end. It is a toxic combination that Lisa
:07:10. > :07:14.says she can't afford. A teacher, she took part in a strike in June
:07:14. > :07:18.and she says she is prepared to walk out again. People don't go on
:07:18. > :07:24.strike just because they feel that it, this is a huge difference to
:07:24. > :07:28.our family. �200 worse off a month. For the government, it is another
:07:28. > :07:32.major headache and it led the Chancellor to criticise union
:07:32. > :07:35.leaders. I think the union bosses are behaving in a deeply
:07:35. > :07:39.irresponsible way. Deeply irresponsible because talks are
:07:39. > :07:43.still going on, deeply irresponsible because at a time
:07:43. > :07:46.when the whole world, including Britain, faces a real economic
:07:47. > :07:51.challenge, this will only damage jobs and prosperity for the whole
:07:52. > :07:54.country. The strikes that are coming will be on a different scale
:07:54. > :08:01.to the accents in the summer and it could lead to the public facing
:08:01. > :08:03.some of the most widespread disruption the UK has seen in years.
:08:03. > :08:07.During the day, Scotland's First Minister, Alex Salmond, added his
:08:07. > :08:09.voice to the debate on the economy and called for a new approach by
:08:09. > :08:16.the Chancellor. Our political editor Nick Robinson is in
:08:16. > :08:19.Edinburgh tonight. After today's events, how do you
:08:19. > :08:26.gauge the pressure on the Chancellor for some kind of change
:08:26. > :08:29.of tack? The pressure is huge, but there is pressure he expected from
:08:29. > :08:33.Labour and the nationalists and the trade unions for a change of course.
:08:33. > :08:40.They were always ready in Westminster for that. What they are
:08:40. > :08:44.now facing his pressure that is a very nasty surprise indeed. A much
:08:45. > :08:48.chiller economic wind coming across to the UK. In addition to that,
:08:48. > :08:54.worse employment figures than they expected and the expectation of
:08:54. > :08:57.much lower growth, too. That is the real problem, that is why the First
:08:57. > :09:02.Minister in Scotland has said our a unemployment figures in Scotland
:09:02. > :09:06.are better than in the rest of the UK so why not follow our example,
:09:06. > :09:10.speed up capital spending on projects like roads, try to
:09:10. > :09:15.reassure public servants so they have the confidence to spend money,
:09:15. > :09:19.to which the answer from London is clear. We will do no Plan B that
:09:19. > :09:25.involves spending extra money because that would be, they argue,
:09:25. > :09:30.a plan for bankruptcy. But now the government faces not just a deficit
:09:30. > :09:34.problem, but potentially a gross crisis. That means for all the
:09:34. > :09:38.robust talk in public, behind the scenes in private, a desperate
:09:38. > :09:44.search is going on to find ways to stimulate the economy in a way that
:09:45. > :09:47.won't split the markets. Thank you. The debt crisis is the biggest
:09:47. > :09:51.challenge facing Europe in a generation according to the
:09:51. > :09:54.President of the European Commission, Jose Manuel Barroso. He
:09:54. > :09:58.told the European Parliament that the problem could be addressed only
:09:58. > :10:01.by the EU becoming more integrated. The leaders of Germany, France and
:10:01. > :10:06.Greece have held talks this evening to discuss ways of helping Greece
:10:06. > :10:16.to honour its debt repayments. Our Europe editor Gavin Hewitt has the
:10:16. > :10:20.President Sarkozy and Chancellor Merkel set out today to calm
:10:20. > :10:26.markets spooked by fears that Greece might default. They held a
:10:26. > :10:29.25 minute conference call with the Greek leader George Papandreou. We
:10:29. > :10:33.understand that the Greek prime minister said his country was
:10:33. > :10:37.determined to meet its obligations and so qualify for fresh funding.
:10:37. > :10:41.For their part, the leaders of French-owned -- France and Germany
:10:41. > :10:46.said they were convinced Greece belonged in the eurozone but it had
:10:46. > :10:51.to stick to its spending targets. But he is the problem. Every day,
:10:52. > :10:56.Greek workers are protesting, resisting cuts and savings, even
:10:56. > :11:00.tax collectors were on strike this week. So the doubts will remain
:11:00. > :11:03.whether the Greek government can deliver on its promises. So at the
:11:03. > :11:09.European Parliament today there were a stark warnings that Europe
:11:09. > :11:12.could be destroyed by the eurozone crisis. The mood was gloomy. One
:11:12. > :11:17.minister said the European Union would not survive a break-up of the
:11:17. > :11:21.eurozone. We are confronted with the most serious challenge of a
:11:21. > :11:27.generation. It is a fight for what Europe represents in the world.
:11:27. > :11:31.This is a fight for European integration itself. President
:11:31. > :11:36.Carrasso said the answer to the great crisis was more integration.
:11:36. > :11:40.Meanwhile, international pressure is mounting. The US Treasury
:11:40. > :11:44.Secretary weighed in, saying Europe needed to do more. They are
:11:45. > :11:48.absolutely committed and they have the financial capacity and the
:11:48. > :11:52.economic capacity to do what it takes to hold this thing together.
:11:52. > :11:56.They recognise they will have today -- do more, they recognise they
:11:56. > :12:00.have been behind the curve, they recognise it will take more force
:12:00. > :12:05.behind their commitments. If there was a do fault, who holds great
:12:05. > :12:07.public debt? Immediate losses would public debt? Immediate losses would
:12:07. > :12:13.hit Greek banks holding 49 billion euros of group debt. Germany's
:12:13. > :12:17.banks hold 10 billion euros. France is next with an exposure of 9
:12:17. > :12:21.billion. The risk to British banks billion. The risk to British banks
:12:21. > :12:25.is much smaller at 2.2 billion euros. Greece today was given a
:12:25. > :12:31.chance to prove itself, but one of Chancellor Merkel's chart --
:12:31. > :12:36.closest allies insisted a default was still possible. What we have to
:12:36. > :12:41.do is try to avoid it, we have to try to avoid it at least, and when
:12:41. > :12:44.and if it comes it has to be done in a controlled manner. So Europe's
:12:44. > :12:49.two most powerful leaders assured Greece it was still an integral
:12:49. > :12:55.part of the eurozone, but it now has to deliver austerity cuts and
:12:55. > :13:01.reforms. With me now is the BBC's economics
:13:01. > :13:05.editor Stephanie Flanders. Is there any sign at all of some emerging
:13:05. > :13:09.solution to this crisis? In the last few weeks, we have felt we are
:13:09. > :13:13.moving closer to a crunch point in the crisis forced up whether it
:13:13. > :13:18.ever feels like solution is much less clear. On the back of this
:13:18. > :13:21.statement from the Greek government today, the markets in the US rose,
:13:21. > :13:26.they took some cheer from it, even though it did didn't say anything
:13:26. > :13:30.we hadn't heard before. That is because people are thinking the
:13:30. > :13:34.politicians since the urgency and they are focusing on some of the
:13:34. > :13:38.short-term issues which they can resolve even if these long term
:13:38. > :13:43.questions like what it really will look like in the future, whether it
:13:43. > :13:47.has collected debt, or whether it has a more co-ordinated policy,
:13:47. > :13:51.those policies can't be resolved. The more pressing issues are will
:13:51. > :13:55.Greeks default. There is a sense the politicians won't let this
:13:55. > :13:58.happen. And will those holes in the bank balance sheets which have been
:13:58. > :14:02.there over the last three years, and the Americans have been
:14:02. > :14:06.concerned about, will they be field's there is a sense the
:14:06. > :14:10.politicians will do what it takes to fix the short-term problems even
:14:10. > :14:12.if the long-term problems are hanging over the eurozone. Whether
:14:12. > :14:22.investors are right to have that confidence I think as far from
:14:22. > :14:24.
:14:24. > :14:27.Two men who claimed they were in effect kept as slaves on a
:14:27. > :14:31.travellers' site in Bedfordshire have been describing their ordeal.
:14:31. > :14:35.The men had spent months at the green acres side but escaped before
:14:35. > :14:42.police raided it at the weekend. They alleged others had been
:14:42. > :14:45.trapped there for years. Alongside the hustle and bustle of
:14:45. > :14:48.tourists and shoppers, people living rough on the streets can
:14:48. > :14:53.often be invisible. According to one man who says he became a
:14:53. > :14:57.virtual slave at the Bedfordshire a travellers' site, here it was all
:14:57. > :15:01.too easy for an alcoholic like him to be picked up. He says he is
:15:01. > :15:05.still too frightened to be identified. If someone offers you
:15:05. > :15:10.�50 a day and as much booze as you want to drink, just for a bit of
:15:10. > :15:14.work, that is happy days. I mean, that is why it is so easy for them
:15:14. > :15:20.to grab you and put you in the van. Once you are in there, they have
:15:20. > :15:23.caught you. That was 2008, before the current investigation. He
:15:23. > :15:28.claims once at the green acres site there was no money, his head was
:15:28. > :15:32.shaved, there was little food and he lived crammed into a horsebox.
:15:32. > :15:37.As I was on the bottom bunk, I usually got kicked in the face to
:15:37. > :15:42.wake up. You get up about 3 o'clock, hustled to get in the van, everyone
:15:42. > :15:45.gets in the van, and we drove for I would say an hour and a half, an
:15:46. > :15:51.hour and 45 minutes, to the site where we were working at. What was
:15:51. > :15:55.the work like? Hard. It was all block paving. Breaking up driveways.
:15:56. > :16:00.He eventually managed to escape and went straight to the police. But he
:16:00. > :16:04.says he was there for eight months. I think people stayed because of
:16:04. > :16:08.fear. Because you saw what was going on right in front of your
:16:08. > :16:14.eyes. You saw that if someone tried to leave, you are going to get
:16:14. > :16:19.beaten up. The police put him on a train back to his brother. He was
:16:19. > :16:26.shocked by what he saw. He had physically been beaten, clearly,
:16:26. > :16:32.numerous times. I mean, his bones and his ribs were all visible, from
:16:32. > :16:38.where he had not eaten properly, hadn't had a diet. His teeth were
:16:38. > :16:43.black, because he has had no nutrition. These are the shirts we
:16:43. > :16:49.were kept in -- the sheds. It is a deeply shocking story that Adam
:16:49. > :16:53.knows only too well. In 2004, he says he, too, was held at green
:16:53. > :16:57.acres. He was promised good pay and instead he found squalor, in what
:16:57. > :17:04.he views now as slavery. I got moved out of the caravan, into a
:17:04. > :17:09.shed, that was sometimes... Sometimes locked, sometimes not,
:17:09. > :17:14.overnight. It was ritually, you were released for work in the
:17:14. > :17:19.morning -- literally. It is not your life at all. It is like you
:17:19. > :17:25.are incarcerated. Both men have since turned their lives around,
:17:25. > :17:34.but say they are still haunted by their experiences at the side.
:17:34. > :17:44.Coming up. Ryan Giggs, wow! We have the main action from the Champions
:17:44. > :17:48.League with both Manchester teams Just over a year after Pakistan's
:17:48. > :17:51.devastating floods which affected a quarter of the population, the
:17:51. > :17:55.authorities in Sindh province are warning that floods this year are
:17:55. > :18:00.even worse. The southern region has been hit by the heaviest monsoon
:18:00. > :18:07.rains in a century. More than 5 million people have already been
:18:07. > :18:13.affected in Sindh. A full 20 ft below these waters
:18:13. > :18:17.were shops and homes. But villages as far as the eye can see, and
:18:17. > :18:21.across southern Pakistan, have totally disappeared. The
:18:21. > :18:27.authorities even at this province say these floods are even worse
:18:27. > :18:34.than last year's massive disaster. We find this family stranded on a
:18:34. > :18:40.bit of high ground. Their homes, gone, most of their livestock,
:18:40. > :18:44.drowned, but they did manage to save a couple of chickens.
:18:44. > :18:48.TRANSLATION: Everyone was in the village, but suddenly the rains
:18:48. > :18:53.came. They all fled during the night and left us. They have now
:18:53. > :18:58.been saved by the army. It says it has rescued 13,000 people buy a
:18:58. > :19:04.boat so far, but fears others are still cut off. The catastrophe is
:19:04. > :19:08.huge, because of last year's flood, we were coping with that. Within
:19:08. > :19:17.the year, we were coping with that kind of damage, and the next floods,
:19:17. > :19:21.they took us. The damage is twofold. In scenes so reminiscent of last
:19:21. > :19:25.year, once people are rested, they are brought to camps like this, but
:19:25. > :19:29.how they are treated then, after having lost their belongings, their
:19:29. > :19:33.homes and in some cases, members of their family, very much depends on
:19:33. > :19:39.luck. At this camp, they have run out of tents and many people are
:19:39. > :19:44.having to sleep in the open, and more rain is still coming. This is
:19:44. > :19:51.where the family ended up, sheltering anywhere they can, and
:19:51. > :19:55.fearing for what the future holds. The former Conservative peer, Lord
:19:55. > :20:00.Hanningfield, has been arrested by detectives investigating expenses
:20:00. > :20:04.claims, when he was leader of Essex County Council. Lord Hanningfield
:20:04. > :20:08.was released from prison just a few days ago after serving a term for
:20:08. > :20:12.fraudulent expense claims at the House of Lords.
:20:12. > :20:16.A Libyan man who claims that British intelligence officers
:20:16. > :20:20.helped send him home to be tortured by Gaddafi's regime, says he wants
:20:20. > :20:27.to give evidence in to the inquiry into Britain's role of the alleged
:20:27. > :20:30.mistreatment of terror suspects. A former member of an Islamist
:20:31. > :20:34.opposition group alleges he was a bit to a secret rendition back in
:20:34. > :20:40.2004. He has been speaking to Andrew Hardie in Tripoli.
:20:40. > :20:43.He spent six years here, in one of Colonel Gaddafi's notorious prisons.
:20:43. > :20:53.An Islamist leader, who says Britain betrayed him, and helped to
:20:53. > :20:57.send him home to be tortured. Today, it still frail, he says he was
:20:57. > :21:05.never a terraced, but while training in Afghanistan to
:21:05. > :21:12.overthrow the Libyan regime, he met some interesting people. I know
:21:12. > :21:19.Osama Bin Laden, I met him the last one -- met him many times. The last
:21:19. > :21:23.one was before 9/11. I discussed with him, that if you want to do
:21:23. > :21:29.something to a European country or American country and that it is not
:21:29. > :21:39.approved. Now, CIA documents discovered here in Tripoli appear
:21:39. > :21:42.
:21:42. > :21:47.to show how British intelligence helped arrange for Sami al-Saadi to
:21:47. > :21:52.be spirited back to Libya. When I arrived at the aircraft door, they
:21:52. > :21:56.handcuffed me and my life -- my wife. He said he was tortured for
:21:56. > :22:06.information about Al-Qaeda, information the rest -- the West
:22:06. > :22:07.
:22:07. > :22:10.was keen to hear. A British team came to see me. Did you tell them
:22:10. > :22:16.you were being tortured question were it couldn't, because I would
:22:16. > :22:19.be tortured again. I can't say what I want. Britain's Foreign Office
:22:19. > :22:25.says it can't comment on intelligence matters, but it takes
:22:25. > :22:30.such claims very seriously, and an inquiry has been set up. The murky
:22:30. > :22:33.relationship that developed between Colonel Gaddafi in Britain -- and
:22:33. > :22:39.Britain seems unlikely to slip quietly into the history books.
:22:39. > :22:47.Sami al- Saadi Says he plans to take legal action and give evidence
:22:47. > :22:54.in person at the legal inquiry. I feel injustice.
:22:54. > :22:58.And no forgiveness? Maybe later, when we see what they will do.
:22:58. > :23:08.Today, Colonel Gaddafi's jails are empty. The truth about what
:23:08. > :23:11.
:23:11. > :23:15.happened here and why is starting Both Manchester clubs have been
:23:15. > :23:18.playing in the group stage of the Champions League tonight.
:23:18. > :23:22.Manchester City marked their return to the competition after a long
:23:22. > :23:26.absence with a draw against Napoli. Manchester United were held 1-1 at
:23:26. > :23:31.Benfica. For Manchester City, there are
:23:31. > :23:36.untold riches have at last bought them entry to an exclusive club, it
:23:36. > :23:40.had been 43 years since they had dined at European football's top
:23:40. > :23:48.table. Their opponents, Napoli, had been outplayed in the first half.
:23:48. > :23:52.In the second, they broke at full tilt. Kolarov, who had his own
:23:52. > :23:57.break in the first half, levelled. The Napoli wall was perhaps one
:23:57. > :24:03.short of a brick. Manchester United, by most accounts, have much the
:24:03. > :24:11.easier group. But they appeared toothless early on to Benfica. The
:24:11. > :24:18.delightful goal was deserved. But the Premier League look youth --
:24:18. > :24:22.perennially youthful Ryan Giggs scored, aged 38. Anders Linda Guard
:24:22. > :24:27.proved just as important, helping his team preserve the draw. A
:24:27. > :24:35.measured start for the Manchester teams, but it is eight months until
:24:35. > :24:38.To mark its 300th anniversary, St Paul's Cathedral has installed an
:24:38. > :24:44.optical installation, which transforms the view of Sir
:24:44. > :24:51.Christopher Wren's Geometric Staircase. The inspiration --
:24:51. > :24:56.installation called Perspectives is designed by a John Pawson as part
:24:56. > :24:59.of the London Design Festival. The dome of St Paul's Cathedral, a
:24:59. > :25:04.site recognise the world over. It is the crowning glory of Sir
:25:04. > :25:14.Christopher Wren's architectural masterpiece. The grandeur of the
:25:14. > :25:19.
:25:19. > :25:25.For centuries, artists have been commissioned to produce works for
:25:25. > :25:31.the cathedral. In 1983, Henry Moore made his mother and child sculpture
:25:31. > :25:35.specifically for this I'll location. Recently, St Paul's has started to
:25:35. > :25:38.commission contemporary artists and designers. Antony Gormley installed
:25:39. > :25:43.this piece last year. And here is their latest commission. In the
:25:43. > :25:48.middle of this stainless-steel top is this massive crystal loans,
:25:48. > :25:52.which when you look into it, reflects back Sir Christopher
:25:52. > :25:56.Wren's wonderful Geometric Staircase. The visual effect is
:25:56. > :26:00.heightened by mirror placed in the ceiling. This is a modest,
:26:00. > :26:10.thoughtful work. It is not saying, look at me, it is saying, just look
:26:10. > :26:16.at the space. For me, everything I do as a practical function. This
:26:16. > :26:24.seemed to be oh way of looking at the helix. The way this they're
:26:24. > :26:28.just spirals up. I never tire of it, it is so magical, this stairway.
:26:28. > :26:33.Paul's has been bitten by the contemporary art bug. But why? To
:26:33. > :26:38.appear trendy? To attract more visitors? I don't want a church
:26:38. > :26:41.that is in aspic. We believe in creativity, we believe in
:26:41. > :26:46.conversation with artists. But when we look at the art that comes into
:26:46. > :26:50.the cathedral, we are looking for resonance more than relevance.