19/12/2012

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:00:11. > :00:15.Tonight at Ten: Heavy criticism of BBC management in the wake of the

:00:15. > :00:19.Jimmy Safile scandal. New night's decision to drop its Savile

:00:19. > :00:23.investigation was not a cover up says the Pollard report, but it was

:00:23. > :00:27.wrong and led to turmoil. The BBC's management system proved completely

:00:27. > :00:31.incapable of dealing with it. The level of chaos and confusion was

:00:31. > :00:35.even greater than was apparent at the time. The BBC faces criticism

:00:35. > :00:40.that no-one's been sacked because of the failures, but the chairman

:00:40. > :00:45.of the Trust says the lessons will be learned. The BBC will be able to

:00:45. > :00:50.rebuild its trust. But it has to do so by facing up to some of its

:00:50. > :00:55.failings as honestly as possible. second report accuses Newsnight

:00:55. > :00:58.staff of a grave breach of standards when they wrongly

:00:58. > :01:01.implicated a senior Conservative in allegations of child abuse.

:01:01. > :01:05.Also tonight - a new police inquiry ordered into the Hillsborough

:01:05. > :01:10.football disaster and new inquest will be held for the 96 victims.

:01:10. > :01:14.It's a huge step for the families and I think a lot of us will have a

:01:14. > :01:16.much happier Christmas. Almost 4,000 British troops in

:01:16. > :01:22.Afghanistan, nearly half the current total, will be brought home

:01:22. > :01:31.next year. The Swiss bank UBS fined nearly �1

:01:31. > :01:34.billion after traders manipulated interest rates.

:01:34. > :01:39.And the magical sound of a family Christmas in London more than a

:01:39. > :01:43.century ago. Later in the hour, we'll have

:01:43. > :01:53.Sportsday on the BBC News Channel, with all the latest reports,

:01:53. > :02:09.

:02:09. > :02:13.results, interviews and features Good evening. BBC managers have

:02:13. > :02:16.been heavily criticised after the shelfing of a Newsnight

:02:16. > :02:22.investigation on Jimmy Safile. An independent report found no

:02:22. > :02:26.evidence of a cover up, but it said managers were incapable of deefl

:02:26. > :02:32.with the chaos that followed. Newsnight's editor has been

:02:32. > :02:34.replaced. A senior manager has resigned and another moved. But no-

:02:34. > :02:38.one's been sacked. Mark Easton reports.

:02:38. > :02:44.Chaos and confusion, leadership and organisation in short supply, the

:02:44. > :02:50.inquiry into the BBC's handling of the Jimmy Savile scandal has

:02:50. > :02:54.revealed a scorpgs in crisis. the full force of the affair broke

:02:54. > :02:58.this year the BBC's management proved incapable of dealing with.

:02:58. > :03:02.It the level of chaos and confusion was greater than was apparent at

:03:02. > :03:09.the time. Good evening, ladies and gentleman. At the heart of today's

:03:09. > :03:12.report is the question why the BBC abandoned an investigation that had

:03:12. > :03:15.evidence Jimmy Savile was a predatory paedophile, before

:03:15. > :03:21.broadcasting four tribute programmes to him in the Christmas

:03:21. > :03:26.schedule last year. E-mails reveal how the future Director-General,

:03:26. > :03:34.George Entwhistle, was warned about Jimmy Savile's dark side before his

:03:34. > :03:41.death and before the Newsnight "We didn't prepare an obit because

:03:41. > :03:47.of a darker side of the story ". Later Thomas Bowdler told George

:03:47. > :03:55.Entwhistle about the Newsnight -- Jayne Boden told George Entwhistle

:03:56. > :03:59.His response was un necessarily cautious and he took no steps to

:03:59. > :04:03.review his Christmas schedule. not going to get into the details...

:04:03. > :04:06.At the launch of today's report, its author said he found no

:04:06. > :04:10.evidence that BBC's Newsnight's investigation was pulled to protect

:04:10. > :04:13.the corporation or its Christmas schedules. The decision by their

:04:13. > :04:18.editor to drop the original investigation was clearly flawed

:04:18. > :04:23.and the way it was taken was wrong. Though, I believe, it was done in

:04:23. > :04:27.good faith. It was not done to protect the Savile tribute

:04:27. > :04:32.programmes or for any improper reason. After the truth about Jimmy

:04:32. > :04:38.Savile emerged in October this year, the report said the BBC was thrown

:04:38. > :04:42.into dais ray. A blog by Newsnight's editor explaining why

:04:42. > :04:49.they ditched their investigation was full of errors and breached

:04:49. > :04:52.editorial guidelines. Pollard is absolutely right in saying that the

:04:52. > :04:58.BBC will be able to rebuild its trust, but it has to do so by

:04:58. > :05:02.facing up to some of its weakness as and failings as honestly as

:05:02. > :05:06.possible. One of those weaknesses is giving George Entwhistle

:05:06. > :05:11.�450,000 in a payoff when the report reveals that he ignored e-

:05:11. > :05:17.mails which might well have prevented the tributes to Jimmy

:05:17. > :05:21.Savile going out last year. alternative was constructive

:05:21. > :05:25.dismissal which would have cost more and taken longer. A �2 million

:05:25. > :05:30.inquiry into what's described as one of the worst management crises

:05:30. > :05:35.in the BBC's histsery ah, middisarray chaos and a lack of

:05:35. > :05:40.leadership. Critics will be quick to poipbtd out that the response

:05:40. > :05:44.from the board of of the corporation is to sack no-one.

:05:44. > :05:52.Today the BBC also published a second internal report into how

:05:52. > :05:58.Newsnight managed to implicate the former treasurer Lord McAlpine in a

:05:58. > :06:04.scandal. Basic cheps were not carried out, the BBC concluded. The

:06:04. > :06:09.BBC's deputy head of news Steve Mitchell resigned today. The editor

:06:09. > :06:16.of Newsnight Peter Rippon will be moved to a new role. The deputy

:06:16. > :06:21.head of Newsnight, who had overseen the McAlpine report is also being

:06:21. > :06:24.moved to a new job. Will we have a situation where people are moved

:06:24. > :06:27.around, some are even promoted. Nothing happens. Nothing changes.

:06:27. > :06:31.That would not be acceptable here. That would damage the BBC and

:06:31. > :06:36.people's trust in it. corporation's executive board today

:06:36. > :06:40.stressed the importance of not forgetting the victims abused by

:06:40. > :06:45.Jimmy Savile. A separate BBC investigation focusing on that will

:06:46. > :06:48.report next year. The risk to further damage to the BBC are far

:06:48. > :06:52.from over. Let's pick up on a point there in

:06:52. > :06:56.the report, the question being is it possible to rebuild trust if no-

:06:56. > :06:59.one loses their job or is sacked as a result of this scandal? Some

:06:59. > :07:03.people would say it's not enough. It's interesting, though, what the

:07:03. > :07:08.BBC Trust said here. They said this is not about who sits in which

:07:08. > :07:15.chair. It's not about structures, management structures and silos.

:07:16. > :07:19.It's not about cliepbs. Making sure people follow the editorial

:07:19. > :07:23.guidelines. It's about management culture. Senior executives need to

:07:23. > :07:27.behave better and set an example. Staff at all levels need to stop

:07:28. > :07:32.leaking to the newspapers. They need to stop distrusting each other.

:07:32. > :07:39.There needs to be less ipbs larity. What they're talking about here is

:07:39. > :07:44.a complete change in management culture. They say Tony Hall will

:07:44. > :07:47.have three months to create that change. Cultural change is hard at

:07:47. > :07:51.any time. Three months is a very short time frame. He's going to be

:07:51. > :07:57.having to do this. Frankly, when there is still a lot of turmoil and

:07:57. > :08:02.a lot of acrimony after this whole Savile affair. Easy thing to say, a

:08:02. > :08:06.very hard thing to achieve. Thank you very much.

:08:06. > :08:09.In another development in the Savile scandal, a former BBC Radio

:08:09. > :08:15.one producer, who worked with the presenter has been bailed tonight

:08:15. > :08:23.after being arrested this morning. 76-year-old Ted Beston is the

:08:23. > :08:27.eighth person to be arrested under Operation Yewtree.

:08:27. > :08:30.Verdicts of accidental death on the 96 football fans who died in the

:08:30. > :08:34.Hillsborough disaster have been quashed in the High Court. New

:08:34. > :08:36.inquests will now take place. The Home Secretary, Theresa May, has

:08:36. > :08:42.announced a new police investigation into what happened.

:08:42. > :08:47.Judith Moritz reports. These families and their supporters have

:08:47. > :08:50.waited nearly a quarter of a century for this moment. When they

:08:50. > :08:55.learned that their relatives who died at Hillsborough would get a

:08:55. > :08:59.new inquest, the relief and emotion were obvious. The actual depth and

:08:59. > :09:03.the length of the judgment, we couldn't have written it better if

:09:04. > :09:09.we'd written it ourselves. So when you get the Lord Chief Justice, and

:09:09. > :09:12.I think he used the term "vindicated" yet again. Justice is

:09:13. > :09:17.on its way. We could come out with something like a small step for

:09:18. > :09:21.mankind, but it's a huge step for the families. This was a

:09:21. > :09:25.particularly big day for Anne Williams. She's been as far as the

:09:25. > :09:30.European Court before trying to get a new inquest for her 15-year-old

:09:30. > :09:36.son Kevin. She's been turned down at every stage, until today.

:09:36. > :09:40.didn't they just give us the truth from the outset? We would have

:09:40. > :09:45.still mourned our children, but we wouldn't have 23 years of

:09:45. > :09:50.Hillsborough and fighting the system. 96 Liverpool fans were

:09:50. > :09:55.fatally crushed in the disaster in April 1989. The youngest was just

:09:55. > :09:58.ten years old and more than a third were teenagers. At their inquests,

:09:58. > :10:04.controversial verdicts of accidental death were returned. The

:10:04. > :10:07.Coroner suggested that all of the deaths were inevitable by 3.5pm on

:10:07. > :10:13.the afternoon of the disaster. As a result the emergency response has

:10:13. > :10:17.never been examined. As he gave his ruling, the Lord Chief Justice said

:10:17. > :10:22.over the years there have been a profound and almost palpable sense

:10:22. > :10:27.by the families that justice had not been done. He praised their

:10:27. > :10:33.determination and they responded as the hearing ended, breaking out

:10:33. > :10:36.into spontaneous applause, one woman shouting, "Thank you, your

:10:36. > :10:39.honour." The catalyst for the decision was the publication of the

:10:39. > :10:45.Hillsborough Independent Panel's report. It found new medical

:10:45. > :10:49.evidence that many fans might have been saved. When I read the

:10:49. > :10:53.Hillsborough Independent Panel's publication of documents, it was

:10:53. > :10:57.overwhelmingly clear that the inquest had proceeded on some

:10:57. > :11:01.seriously flawed base yis. The Home Secretary announced today that

:11:01. > :11:05.there will be a new police investigation into the disaster

:11:05. > :11:11.focusing specifically on the 96 deaths. After two decades these

:11:11. > :11:16.families feel they're getting closer to justice.

:11:16. > :11:20.The Swiss banking giant UBS has been fined nearly �1 billion by

:11:20. > :11:24.American, British and Swiss regulators for attempting to

:11:24. > :11:28.manipulate inter-bank lending rates. It's more than three times the fine

:11:28. > :11:31.imposed on Barclays this year for similar offences. Regulators say

:11:31. > :11:37.the behaviour of traders had been shocking. Our business editor

:11:37. > :11:41.Robert Peston reports. UBS, a giant global bank, caught trying to

:11:41. > :11:45.manipulate important interest rates and punished by regulators with

:11:45. > :11:49.�940 million of fines and confiscation of ill-gotten gains.

:11:49. > :11:53.This is some of the most shocking misconduct we've seen to date. This

:11:53. > :11:56.was prevalent across the firm for a period of five years, where people

:11:56. > :12:00.were seeking to manipulate an internationally used bench mark,

:12:00. > :12:04.used for millions of trillions of pounds worth of contracts in order

:12:04. > :12:08.to benefit their own trading positions. UBS traders colluded

:12:08. > :12:14.with other firms in the market rigging. One UBS banker said to a

:12:14. > :12:19.broker, "I will f-ing do one humungous deal with you. I'll pay

:12:19. > :12:24.you $50,000, whatever you want. I'm a man of my word." The bank has

:12:24. > :12:30.been punished by regulators in Switzerland the UK and the US.

:12:30. > :12:37.no mistake, for UBS traders, the manipulation of Libor was about

:12:37. > :12:43.getting rich. As one broker told a UBS derivative trader, "Mate,

:12:43. > :12:49.you're getting bloody good at this Libor game. Think of me when you're

:12:49. > :12:53.on your yacht in Monaco, won't you?" Is a �1 billion fine too much,

:12:53. > :12:57.too little or about right? I'd say it's not about the fines. What

:12:57. > :13:00.we've got to see is criminal sanctions. The money is really

:13:00. > :13:04.meaningless. It's tax deductible. Certainly the Government is

:13:04. > :13:08.amending the financial services bill. To make sure the fines in

:13:08. > :13:12.future go to good causes not back to the regulator. But it's got to

:13:12. > :13:17.be about sanctions. The market manipulation was so widespread and

:13:17. > :13:21.systematic that it's now impossible to have confidence in any of the

:13:21. > :13:26.main Libor prices over a period of years. Now that really matters

:13:26. > :13:30.because Libor rates underpin the prices of more than $300 trillion

:13:30. > :13:33.of financial products sold to investors and people. As those

:13:33. > :13:37.investors start to sue, they'll be looking for huge damages, damage

:13:37. > :13:44.that's could turn out to be a multiple, even of the huge bank

:13:44. > :13:49.fines. More than a dozen big banks are being investigated for rate

:13:49. > :13:52.rigging. Barclays this year was hit with �290 million in fines and

:13:52. > :13:57.penalties. Martin Taylor was Barclays' boss before the rot set

:13:57. > :14:02.in. We had an absolutely rotten culture in a number of institutions

:14:02. > :14:06.in the pre-crash City. No question about that. The real issue is - are

:14:06. > :14:11.these so dreadful and I believe they are, that the people in charge

:14:11. > :14:16.of the banks will now get a grip. After the humbling of UBS will come

:14:16. > :14:25.the spanking of RBS, also implicated in the Libor scandal and

:14:25. > :14:29.early in the new year, due to be 30 police officers are now

:14:29. > :14:33.investigating allegations that a serving officer falsely claimed to

:14:33. > :14:35.have heard a row between the former Government Chief Whip Andrew

:14:35. > :14:38.Mitchell and police officers in Downing Street. Mr Mitchell

:14:38. > :14:42.resigned from the Government over the incident, admitting that he did

:14:42. > :14:44.swear at officers but denied that he called them plebs. The Prime

:14:44. > :14:47.Minister called the matter very serious and has backed the new

:14:47. > :14:52.investigation. On the advice of British military

:14:52. > :14:59.leaders, ministers have decided to reduce the size of the UK force in

:14:59. > :15:03.Afghanistan by 3,800 to 5,200. They'll return home next year. All

:15:03. > :15:08.combat troops will be withdrawn by the end of 2014. The Defence

:15:08. > :15:12.Secretary, Philip Hammond said the Afghan Army and police were

:15:12. > :15:19.increasingly able to take responsibility for security.

:15:19. > :15:23.Just a few days ago they were out on patrol in Nad Ali Helmand. It

:15:23. > :15:27.was quiet no, obvious threat. Perhaps a sign that their job's now

:15:27. > :15:32.done. Last night those same soldiers were getting ready to come

:15:32. > :15:41.home early. They're among the first 500 British combat troops to be

:15:41. > :15:46.leaving Afghanistan, never to return. But with mixed emotions.

:15:46. > :15:50.want to,back. Three times is enough. You don't want to come back.

:15:50. > :15:55.Definitely not. Leaving three months in, was a bit disappointing

:15:55. > :16:02.but we have to be sensible and look at the bigger picture. Transition

:16:02. > :16:07.going faster than expected can only be viewed as positive. This is a

:16:07. > :16:10.clear sign that the war is winding down. These are among the first 500

:16:10. > :16:15.to leave the country for good and soon they'll be joined by thousands

:16:15. > :16:19.more. Today the Prime Minister announced

:16:19. > :16:26.that just under 4,000 more troops would be making this same journey

:16:26. > :16:30.by the end of next year. It was presented as progress. Because of

:16:30. > :16:37.the success of our forces and the Afghan National Security Forces and

:16:37. > :16:42.the fact that we are moving from meant org at a battalion level, to

:16:42. > :16:48.mentoring at a brigade level, we'll be able to see troops come home in

:16:48. > :16:52.two relatively even steps, 2013- 2014. The British presence in

:16:52. > :16:57.Afghanistan peaked in 2009 with 9,500 troops. The 500 on their way

:16:57. > :17:03.home brings it to 9,000 that. Will go down to just over 5,000 to the

:17:03. > :17:07.end of next year, with all British gapstrooth troops out by the end of

:17:07. > :17:13.2014. -- British combat troops out. Some British bases are already

:17:13. > :17:16.being dismantled much dozens more have been hand over. A drawdown in

:17:16. > :17:22.step with Allies, including the Americans, who've already sent

:17:22. > :17:26.30,000 troops home. But doubts still remain as to whether the of a

:17:26. > :17:31.begun Army is ready to fight an insurgency that's still not been

:17:31. > :17:34.defeated, all on its own. They are concerned about losing some of our

:17:34. > :17:39.intelligence assets, and our surveillance assets. Those are the

:17:39. > :17:42.things this they heavily lean upon this they can't replicate. But

:17:42. > :17:47.their own inteleljns and understanding of the population is

:17:47. > :17:52.far better than ours will ever be. -- intelligence. I'm sure they will

:17:52. > :17:59.be fine. Tonight Ned inborough some of those first 500 were welcomed

:17:59. > :18:03.back into the warm embrace of loved ones, but many have still not made

:18:03. > :18:06.it home and there is no guarantee that it's been worth the sacrifice.

:18:06. > :18:16.Still to come: discovering the sound of Christmas from a century

:18:16. > :18:16.

:18:16. > :18:24.ago. We've had a splendid time and a jolly Christmas in 1904. Experts

:18:24. > :18:28.believe this is the first-ever recording of a family Christmas.

:18:28. > :18:33.Now, ministers have announced more funding cuts for local authorities

:18:33. > :18:37.in England next year with their budgets reduced by an average of

:18:37. > :18:41.1.7%. Council tax will be frozen for a third year. The Communities'

:18:41. > :18:45.Secretary, Eric Pickles, said that the settlement was "a bargain" and

:18:45. > :18:48.suggested ways that councils could save more money.

:18:48. > :18:53.Mike Sergeant reports from Birmingham, where hundreds of job

:18:54. > :18:59.losss are already in the pipeline. Will councils still provide all of

:18:59. > :19:03.these services with less and less money from central government?

:19:03. > :19:09.Ministers think they can but only if they become more efficient and

:19:09. > :19:13.better at generating money locally. This settlement recognises the

:19:13. > :19:20.responsibility of local government to find sensible savings and to

:19:20. > :19:23.make better use of its resources. It marks a new settlement for local

:19:23. > :19:29.government, based on self- determination and financial

:19:29. > :19:34.independence. Town halls are now two years into this spending

:19:34. > :19:38.squeeze and they say they've made a lot of the easy savings already.

:19:38. > :19:43.Protecting services is getting harder. Are people starting to

:19:43. > :19:50.notice the impact of the cuts? certainly has. He works for the

:19:50. > :19:53.City Council in Birmingham. Are you in fear for your job? Definitely. I

:19:53. > :19:58.don't see myself any different to anybody else. I have seen colleague

:19:58. > :20:02.over the last two years go, some good, skilled people. It's sad.

:20:02. > :20:06.Many others seem much less concerned about council finances.

:20:06. > :20:10.To me personally I don't see a massive change to my daily life

:20:10. > :20:14.because of the council cuts, to be honest. Personally it, hasn't

:20:14. > :20:18.really affected me yet, I'm very happy to say but I feel it will do,

:20:18. > :20:21.shortly. But the leaders of some of

:20:21. > :20:26.England's biggest cities are demanding an urgent meeting with

:20:26. > :20:30.the Secretary of State, they are warning of a looming financial

:20:30. > :20:33.crisis. There are disadvantaged areas and communities across

:20:33. > :20:37.Birmingham who will see services cut. You can't get away with this.

:20:37. > :20:41.This is not about solving a budget problem through efficiency savings.

:20:41. > :20:46.We'll have to make cuts that will affect livelihoods and quality of

:20:46. > :20:48.life of residents of this city. what happens if the funding just

:20:48. > :20:52.isn't there? This training centre for social workers in Birmingham

:20:52. > :20:56.gets by with no council money at all. One of its directors had this

:20:56. > :21:00.message for those looking for other sources of funding? Think outside

:21:00. > :21:04.the box, guys, you can do it. We can do it, you can do it. It is

:21:04. > :21:08.just about using your imagination. Councils in Wales and Scotland are

:21:08. > :21:12.getting a small increase next year but with costs increasing all the

:21:13. > :21:21.time, local authorities in England are today facing hard choices about

:21:21. > :21:24.how to keep services going on an ever-tighter budget.

:21:24. > :21:28.In the United States, President Obama has called for concrete

:21:28. > :21:31.proposals on gun control by the end of next month following the school

:21:31. > :21:35.shooting in Connecticut last week. The President said the majority of

:21:35. > :21:40.Americans back changes to some gun laws after the atrocity which left

:21:40. > :21:45.26 children and too muchers dead. This should be a wick-up call for

:21:45. > :21:51.all of us -- a wake-up call. To say this if we are not getting right

:21:51. > :21:57.the need to keep our children safe, then nothing else matters.

:21:57. > :22:02.And it's my commitment to make sure that we do everything we can to

:22:02. > :22:05.keep our children safe. Let's go to Washington and talk to our North

:22:05. > :22:09.American editor Mark Mardel. Mark, very strong words from the

:22:09. > :22:13.President and there have been over several days Rthey likely to lead

:22:13. > :22:16.to some proposals and progress? -- are they likely? I think they'll

:22:16. > :22:20.lead to some actions it is a question of whether it is hard

:22:20. > :22:23.actions. The President is tackling something very big. He's saying it

:22:23. > :22:27.is not about the massacre, he is saying there is an epidemic of gun

:22:27. > :22:31.violence. When you look at the figures, more than an average of 30

:22:31. > :22:34.Americans a day die from firearms. That's a huge figure. He is saying

:22:34. > :22:39.there has to be a commission to look into this. Not just gun

:22:39. > :22:44.control, but also video games, the culture, mental health and so on.

:22:44. > :22:47.And as in Britain people say - well a commission that's kicking it into

:22:47. > :22:53.the future. He is saying he wants firm proposals on his Des income a

:22:53. > :22:58.few weeks' time so he can put them in his speech at the end of January.

:22:58. > :23:02.-- desk in a if you weeks' time. I'm sure in that there will be

:23:02. > :23:05.plans to been assault rifles. If he does do that, that's taking on a

:23:05. > :23:09.very big political battle that will go on for the rest of the year.

:23:09. > :23:13.Mark, thank you very much. The incoming Governor of the Bank

:23:13. > :23:16.of England, Mark Carney, will get an accommodation allowance worth

:23:16. > :23:20.�250,000 when he takes up the post next July. The payment is in

:23:20. > :23:27.addition to his salary of more than �600,000 a year, significantly more

:23:27. > :23:29.than is earned by the current governor, Sir Mervyn King. Curators

:23:29. > :23:33.at the Museum of London have discovered what they believe are

:23:33. > :23:37.the first-ever recordings of a family Christmas. They were made

:23:37. > :23:46.110 years ago by the Wall family, who lived in north London. Experts

:23:46. > :23:49.say that the sound quality of the music especially is outstanding.

:23:50. > :23:54.This wax cylinder contains events that took place more than 100 years

:23:54. > :24:04.ago. When it was played by curators at the Museum of London, this is

:24:04. > :24:11.

:24:11. > :24:17.what they heard. BOY SINGS Force The record something from 1904, of

:24:17. > :24:25.a seven-year-old boy singing to his family. The scene here recreated by

:24:25. > :24:30.his grand-grandson, Leslie. When I first heard the recordings,

:24:30. > :24:34.I have to say that the hairs on my arms stood on end. It was fantastic.

:24:34. > :24:38.It was really like a window opening into the past and like being in the

:24:38. > :24:42.same room. The recordings are of the Wall family who lived in north

:24:42. > :24:46.London. Cromwell in the middle was the head of the family. He, along

:24:46. > :24:52.with his wife Minnie, on the right, and their nine children, loved to

:24:52. > :24:59.sing, especially at Christmas. The family would gather tharned

:24:59. > :25:03.graph phone to make their recordings. -- would gather around

:25:04. > :25:09.this graphophone. The oldest one is this one from 190 2. It's thought

:25:09. > :25:14.to be the oldest-ever recording of a family on Christmas day. Here we

:25:14. > :25:20.are again, another Christmas, 1904. It was only recently that the dep

:25:20. > :25:23.sendents of the Wall family heard the recordings. -- descendants.

:25:23. > :25:26.Some rather that the grand parties went on for years to come. That

:25:26. > :25:31.would have been typical of my grandfather making them sing like

:25:31. > :25:38.that. We've had a splendid time, and a jolly good Christmas in 1904.

:25:38. > :25:43.Here, here. The recordings are a tale of

:25:43. > :25:52.Christmas past, of warm gatherings. A Christmas that Cromwell Wall's