Booker Prize 2012

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:00:26. > :00:31.Welcome to London's magnificent Guildhall. We will surely find out

:00:31. > :00:37.who is the winner of the Man Booker Prize, worth �50,000 to the win and

:00:37. > :00:44.so much more. Could it be Hilary Mantel, who won in 2009 and could

:00:44. > :00:51.be the first woman to win twice? Or could it be one of two first-time

:00:51. > :01:01.novelists. But first, let's look at the short list drawn somewhere list

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:01:16. > :01:23.To guide us through this evening's proceedings I am joined by the

:01:23. > :01:28.winner of the Booker Prize in 1991, and Gabby with, the book's editor

:01:28. > :01:33.at the Daily Telegraph. What difference did it make to you to

:01:33. > :01:40.win the prize? Well, I am going to smile first because it made an

:01:40. > :01:48.enormous difference. I came into this dinner with everyone saying I

:01:48. > :01:55.didn't stand a chance. Another author said to me, Ben, you are not

:01:55. > :02:00.going to win so enjoy yourself. good attitude! If and then my name

:02:00. > :02:08.was announced and it was like being slapped on the back of their head

:02:08. > :02:12.with a beautiful kiss! It completely transforms the writer's

:02:12. > :02:20.life. It introduces an intensity of gays and even changes the way you

:02:20. > :02:23.right. It raises the temperature. Why? Because you have to live up to

:02:23. > :02:30.something? I think it is because you cannot write the same way any

:02:30. > :02:35.more. You just can't. You must change and evolve. For some people

:02:35. > :02:44.it feels like the end of the game. For me, it was the beginning and it

:02:44. > :02:48.opened by career and my writing arm. Gabby, two writers have said it is

:02:48. > :02:50.a lottery because you have different judges every year and

:02:50. > :02:57.different competitors with different moods and different

:02:57. > :03:02.beliefs. It is very difficult to judge this, I would have thought?

:03:02. > :03:06.Absolutely. Almost impossible. The novel form has so many different

:03:06. > :03:11.forms and exponents so you even feel you are not comparing like

:03:12. > :03:20.with like. If you feel, should it possibly not be up like the cost of

:03:20. > :03:24.prize, comparing a novel with a biography with poetry? And it is

:03:24. > :03:30.already very difficult to see two things which are in different

:03:30. > :03:37.genres. People have been talking about Hilary Mantel and the sequel

:03:37. > :03:43.to Wolf Hall. And also Will Self's book Umbrella. Which is completely

:03:43. > :03:47.different. There couldn't be two more different books to read?

:03:47. > :03:53.they are so different but you can make a link between them. Will

:03:53. > :04:01.Self's book makes history more non- linear and Hilary Mantel's book

:04:01. > :04:11.brings it to life in this incredible wave. I think one is and

:04:11. > :04:12.

:04:12. > :04:16.one is micro. Yes. But the basic human desires and frailties and

:04:16. > :04:23.wickedness is absolutely the same? I think that is one of the most

:04:23. > :04:29.important things about the novel. It can telescope deeper into the

:04:29. > :04:34.human spirit as if you were looking at the stars... These urges, the

:04:34. > :04:41.technology of humanity doesn't change. If anything, time actually

:04:41. > :04:44.makes us more ourselves. And the novel is a particularly powerful

:04:44. > :04:48.lens for studying all of these secret aspects of what it is to be

:04:48. > :04:54.human and a wonderful thing about this short list is we get different

:04:54. > :04:58.kinds of lenses, both in terms of technique and subject. Absolutely.

:04:58. > :05:02.Something which strikes me as well is that Hilary Mantel is much loved

:05:02. > :05:07.him Britain in particular because she strikes a particular chord here.

:05:07. > :05:15.Will Self has gorilla Miras but Umbrella is quite tricky. It will

:05:15. > :05:20.be off-putting to some people. -- has some admirers. It is not an

:05:20. > :05:24.easy read. I think he is set in a challenge to the reader. But having

:05:24. > :05:32.said that, you get past the first ad pages and it really picks up

:05:32. > :05:37.momentum and becomes a very simple book. -- 80 pages. They are simple,

:05:37. > :05:44.beautiful descriptions of a book that's only somebody very

:05:44. > :05:48.complicated good spot. It is a real feat. I think the difference here

:05:48. > :05:54.is that it is slightly modelled on Ulysses bowl with Ulysses you begin

:05:55. > :06:04.with clarity and move towards complication. -- but with Ulysses.

:06:05. > :06:05.

:06:05. > :06:15.Whereas with swirls -- with Will Self, you begin with complication

:06:15. > :06:16.

:06:16. > :06:23.and move towards clarity. And then we have The Garden Of Evening Mists.

:06:23. > :06:27.It is about hating the Japanese war and coming to terms with history.

:06:27. > :06:33.Yes, a different approach and a very poetic approach. At I liked it

:06:33. > :06:37.very much and in many ways, it is one of my favourites. I liked the

:06:37. > :06:43.tranquillity of his aesthetic pursuit at the heart of the book.

:06:43. > :06:48.It really is a book about beauty and about the garden transforming

:06:48. > :06:52.pain and the wounds of history. So finally if it is about those

:06:52. > :06:58.intangible sensations of life and it does so with a prose that is

:06:58. > :07:03.very quiet and suddenly leaps out. There is a line when a character

:07:03. > :07:08.talks about gardening being a kind of deception and, which is the

:07:08. > :07:14.novel, obviously, but that kind of beauty and the simplicity also

:07:14. > :07:18.become a love-story and it is quite extraordinary. Did you find that?

:07:18. > :07:22.Is used somebody would be familiar with or is it something the Booker

:07:22. > :07:29.Prize does well, which is make us wake up to somebody we did not know

:07:30. > :07:33.about? Yes. I am ashamed I didn't know about him. I hadn't read his

:07:34. > :07:39.previous book and this one I thought was extraordinary. But as

:07:39. > :07:43.you say, it is the role of the prize to bring these things to

:07:43. > :07:53.one's attention. I particularly liked the garden as a metaphor for

:07:53. > :07:55.

:07:55. > :07:59.fiction as well. Now, Narcopolis, about an area of Mumbai. Completely

:07:59. > :08:04.different from the other books we have talked about. For reading this

:08:04. > :08:12.book was thinking about how people were calling this short list and

:08:12. > :08:16.experiment. -- reading this book I was thinking. It is about a state

:08:16. > :08:22.of city, a state of mind, an altered state, if you like, and

:08:22. > :08:28.doing that through language. It is incredible he makes us do that and

:08:28. > :08:34.takes us to an incredibly different world. And the way he sustains that

:08:34. > :08:38.poetic intensity where nothing intrudes. It is very quiet and

:08:38. > :08:43.densely worked and that the same time it is a page-turner because

:08:43. > :08:50.what you're interested in is not so much the story as the psychosis or

:08:50. > :08:55.neurosis of drug addiction. And the rhythm of it. Yes. But also what

:08:55. > :08:59.interested me was the junkie and even the confessions of an op-ed

:08:59. > :09:05.dealer is that dealing with this, other people's addictions can be

:09:05. > :09:11.dark. And they think they can be interesting but they are rarely

:09:11. > :09:21.boring! And how accessible they are. Like Will Self, you think is the

:09:21. > :09:27.

:09:27. > :09:32.writer writing this war the public or themselves? And then at the

:09:32. > :09:39.books set in Tuscany. Where they are all going to have affairs with

:09:39. > :09:49.each other. But it got me and it got you, didn't it? Yes. It got me.

:09:49. > :09:52.

:09:52. > :10:01.In many ways, you think of a neural -- a Muriel Spark novel. The most

:10:01. > :10:11.famous one... It is very Cubist. What?! Yes, and she is very like

:10:11. > :10:13.

:10:13. > :10:18.that, Deborah Levy. With Swimming Home. She leaps from one sentence

:10:18. > :10:22.very quickly. I thought it was contrived. I loved it but it is

:10:22. > :10:26.almost the opposite of the Will Self. It does something a Paris

:10:26. > :10:30.very simple. But it is also surprising because she nearly

:10:30. > :10:37.didn't get it published. Extraordinary! I think in a moment

:10:37. > :10:42.we are about to see the chairman of the Times's supplement, who will

:10:42. > :10:50.tell us not only who has won but a bit of an outline of how they came

:10:50. > :11:00.to their decision. Other people will praise the winner of the Man

:11:00. > :11:02.

:11:02. > :11:07.Booker Prize are for 2012 and quite soon, too. Not long to wait now.

:11:07. > :11:13.Others here will do that praising as soon as I have announced the

:11:13. > :11:23.name of the book. The name that will stand for idea at their head

:11:23. > :11:27.

:11:27. > :11:37.of a long line of great winners. Wolf Hall, 2009, Disgrace, 1999,

:11:37. > :11:38.

:11:38. > :11:45.Midnight's Children, 1989. These books, these winners are part of

:11:45. > :11:51.our lives. Like great cities and seaside towns. We go back to them,

:11:51. > :11:58.we read them in different ways and at different seasons. They bring

:11:58. > :12:05.with them memories of joy and rage. They go in and out of fashion but

:12:06. > :12:12.there are always there. They form a catalogue and unfashionable though

:12:12. > :12:22.that may be, a cannon. That is what this prize rout his life has

:12:22. > :12:27.brought to the novel. A list that a new name is about to join. So since

:12:27. > :12:32.others will praise the winner, albeit some of you with gracious

:12:32. > :12:37.disappointment, I am going to be raised other things. First, my

:12:37. > :12:41.fellow judges. Not so much for themselves, though they have been

:12:41. > :12:47.courageous colleagues with whom I would take on any tough journey

:12:47. > :12:57.again. As for their methods, their knowledge, the sensibility and

:12:57. > :13:04.powers of reasoning, the literary criticism of them all over the past

:13:04. > :13:11.11 months. They are critical arguments. The arguments that built

:13:11. > :13:15.towards judgment and did not begin with a yes or no, a verdict of five

:13:15. > :13:21.stars or none. All of them have shown that patience the novel

:13:21. > :13:28.demands and deserves. The methods through which a great novel may

:13:28. > :13:37.emerge interview. Through every obstacle, every prejudice in the

:13:37. > :13:41.reader, every resistance from the text. Next, at some point tonight,

:13:41. > :13:49.when the excitement has calmed down, I would ask you to raise a glass to

:13:49. > :13:58.the books whose names are not on the finalists. This has been an

:13:58. > :14:03.extraordinary year for man Booker fiction. Each judge has his or home

:14:03. > :14:11.favourites from those we left behind but all of us found many

:14:11. > :14:19.texts that deepen our understanding of other minds. Those other ways of

:14:19. > :14:24.seeing, that glory at the novel's core. So, prays to the publishers.

:14:24. > :14:32.Most of all, breeze to the small publishers who, this year, brought

:14:33. > :14:36.us great things. -- praise to the publishers. His prize was

:14:36. > :14:42.established four decades ago with the call the judges should not seek

:14:42. > :14:51.to recognise or create best sellers. -- this prize. Of the judges were

:14:51. > :14:57.ever to do that, argued the hugger -- the Booker chairman, Sir Michael

:14:57. > :15:04.Caine. His words were right then and there are right now. These are

:15:04. > :15:10.turbulent times for all sellers and buyers of books. Many a glass of

:15:10. > :15:17.hope, bravado more like, must have been raised this year in the small

:15:17. > :15:22.publishing houses of High Wycombe, crowbar and Newcastle. And all the

:15:22. > :15:30.sweeter are their wines now. Our short list is selling well. That is

:15:30. > :15:40.good. But without publishers, big and small, who put beauty first,

:15:40. > :15:48.

:15:48. > :15:55.there would have been nothing worth Finally, praise to the novel itself

:15:55. > :16:00.in 2012. The quality of the text that is not dead as soon as it read.

:16:00. > :16:05.The novel that will stand to be re- read in future decades. The best

:16:05. > :16:15.books, like places and people, change over time. We change with

:16:15. > :16:16.

:16:16. > :16:19.them. We changed each other. We pass on, we pass on the books.

:16:19. > :16:26.Someone accused me last week of not seeking novels that they can read

:16:26. > :16:36.on the beach. No, I merely wanted novels that they would not leave

:16:36. > :16:42.

:16:42. > :16:46.behind on the beach. APPLAUSE.

:16:46. > :16:52.The novel's represented here tonight have no common theme.

:16:52. > :16:58.Occasionally I fought against one, the City, perhaps. Mad money, that

:16:58. > :17:02.technology, even parakeets. Immigrant parrots seemed the

:17:02. > :17:10.novelist third of the year for a while but always the theme, like

:17:10. > :17:16.the Byrds, flitted away. The novels that have won through to reach a

:17:16. > :17:24.final deliberations today were reunited only by the energy of

:17:24. > :17:29.language, by prose that glowed. The wings of words, the lilt, the

:17:29. > :17:36.lightness and dark that renew our language as great novels always

:17:36. > :17:43.have and must. That is not the only virtue of a novel, but it was the

:17:43. > :17:51.virtue that linked our final list. It is a virtue always much needed

:17:51. > :17:59.and especially needed now. So, for vitality, for fierce intelligence,

:17:59. > :18:09.and most of all for prose. The winner of the 2012 Man Booker Prize

:18:09. > :18:15.

:18:16. > :18:25.for fiction is Bring Up The Bodies by Hilary Mantel.

:18:26. > :18:26.

:18:26. > :19:15.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 49 seconds

:19:15. > :19:25.Well, I don't know! You wait 20 years for rape Booker Prize -- for

:19:25. > :19:30.

:19:30. > :19:35.the Booker Prize, and to come along at once! A broadcaster whose

:19:35. > :19:42.opinion I really respect came to see me the other week. She has read

:19:42. > :19:49.every shortlist for years. She said that this was one of the most

:19:49. > :19:57.varied and the strongest she could ever remember. So I know how

:19:57. > :20:03.privileged and how lucky I am to be standing here tonight. I would like

:20:03. > :20:09.to thank the judges whose task in any year is a difficult and

:20:09. > :20:16.delicate one and even also this year, I would think. I would like

:20:16. > :20:20.to thank the organisation for their generous sponsorship and these

:20:20. > :20:27.words are conventional, but they do come from the heart. I would like

:20:27. > :20:35.to thank my publisher and my agent. And they have to do something very

:20:35. > :20:42.difficult now. I have to go away and write the third part of the

:20:42. > :20:52.trilogy. I assure you I have their expectations that I will be

:20:52. > :20:52.

:20:53. > :21:02.standing here again! But I regard this as an act of faith and a vote

:21:03. > :21:09.

:21:09. > :21:13.of confidence. Thank you. APPLAUSE.

:21:13. > :21:18.The first woman to win the prize twice and the first British person

:21:18. > :21:22.to win the prize twice. I am joined again by Ben Okri and Gaby Wood.

:21:22. > :21:26.Are you suprised? I am delighted! I think the other

:21:26. > :21:33.thing is that she has won it for two books in a series which has got

:21:33. > :21:39.to be a first altogether. Judges are very wary of giving because two

:21:39. > :21:43.sequels. They have to put the first run out of their mind. One of the

:21:43. > :21:48.things that has struck me is that I preferred this to the last one.

:21:48. > :21:53.did as well. It is much faster and streamlined and it has this very

:21:53. > :21:57.novel technique in the end of whittling down the days and hours

:21:57. > :22:04.and minutes until the final scene. It is very strong. I think this is

:22:04. > :22:12.a case where the judges went for purity and strength of story

:22:12. > :22:16.telling. I tend to have a theory about the Man Booker Prize in that

:22:16. > :22:23.it tends to say something about the times we are in. What does this

:22:23. > :22:27.tell us? I don't know. Here is a suggestion. The one thing that

:22:27. > :22:32.really struck me was how vicious the politics were. Literally. They

:22:32. > :22:42.were bloodthirsty and cut throat. I began to wonder if there is a

:22:42. > :22:43.

:22:43. > :22:48.parrot -- pattern set 500 years ago. They could be using the elections.

:22:48. > :22:52.It is extraordinary to win twice. To win once is amazing but to win

:22:52. > :22:56.twice... This is the third time in the whole history of the prize.

:22:56. > :22:59.Normally there is a great period of time between winning the first time

:22:59. > :23:04.and the second time but in this case it was just three years.

:23:04. > :23:08.years, yes. It is an extraordinary compliment to have. As she just

:23:08. > :23:13.said, she has to now right the third instalment in the series.

:23:13. > :23:17.pressure! A few things I will pick up with you. One thing that struck

:23:17. > :23:21.me is that there were two first- time novelists here and of the six

:23:21. > :23:25.books on the shortlist, some of them were novelists we had not

:23:25. > :23:28.heard of but also from publishers we have not heard of which is

:23:28. > :23:32.interesting. Four that is the great in the price can do, is to draw

:23:32. > :23:34.attention to that. Everyone is complaining about the death of the

:23:34. > :23:38.publishing industry but it means that really exciting stuff is

:23:38. > :23:43.happening if only you know where to look. In these difficult times it

:23:43. > :23:47.may have made publishers a little bit wary or cautious and it is the

:23:47. > :23:55.small publishing houses that can take risks. It sends a really

:23:55. > :23:58.wonderful message to publishing. All sewn to have second thoughts

:23:58. > :24:03.and judgments, the Deborah Levy book that was shortlisted but did

:24:03. > :24:07.not win was rejected at the start and is now doing very well because

:24:07. > :24:12.it is very readable and that is also an interesting story.

:24:12. > :24:18.published by subscription almost. It is a very interesting story that.

:24:18. > :24:22.Is based on a subscription model. To what the books was subsequently

:24:22. > :24:26.to the shortlisting, published in a more commercial form by a small

:24:26. > :24:30.publisher and a big one. Talking a bit about what this does for an

:24:31. > :24:33.author who wins, what does it do for publishing in general? Here we

:24:33. > :24:39.are, talking about books on television which does not happen

:24:39. > :24:43.all the time. That is something. Yes, it is really encouraging. I

:24:43. > :24:47.was at a Book Fair last week and I was so cheered by the fact that

:24:47. > :24:53.people are so invested in storytelling. How we get steered,

:24:53. > :24:58.the vehicle, is unimportant. It does not matter if it is digital or

:24:58. > :25:04.if it it's becoming a movie but the story that generates all of this.

:25:04. > :25:08.It is interesting what it does for the quality of reading. The highest

:25:08. > :25:13.quality of reading is all the help and encouragement they can get.

:25:13. > :25:18.Partly because we are going through a period of diminishing potential.

:25:18. > :25:24.I felt it was very courageous for someone like Will Self to write a

:25:24. > :25:30.book like Umbrella at a time like this. You have to pay attention but

:25:30. > :25:33.it is worth it in the end. Do you think that overall the terrible

:25:33. > :25:39.times in the economy are encouraging be able to sit at home

:25:39. > :25:43.and read books? It is a lovely idea. Perhaps it is just a pipe dream. We

:25:43. > :25:47.will leave it there. It has been a great night. We have Hilary Mantel,