The Pope's Last Public Audience

:00:28. > :00:31.Hello and welcome to St Peter's Hello and welcome to St Peter's

:00:31. > :00:34.Hello and welcome to St Peter's Square on a bright, clear, sunny

:00:34. > :00:35.Square on a bright, clear, sunny Square on a bright, clear, sunny

:00:35. > :00:37.February morning. For this BBC News February morning. For this BBC News

:00:37. > :00:39.February morning. For this BBC News Special with us. The word historic

:00:39. > :00:40.Special with us. The word historic Special with us. The word historic

:00:40. > :00:42.Special with us. The word historic is much of the used but today, it

:00:42. > :00:42.is much of the used but today, it is much of the used but today, it

:00:42. > :00:44.is much of the used but today, it is apt, because for the first time

:00:44. > :00:46.is apt, because for the first time is apt, because for the first time

:00:46. > :00:47.is apt, because for the first time in 600 years, a Pope has chosen to

:00:47. > :00:48.in 600 years, a Pope has chosen to in 600 years, a Pope has chosen to

:00:48. > :00:51.abdicate, and on this, the abdicate, and on this, the

:00:51. > :00:53.abdicate, and on this, the penultimate day of his papacy, Pope

:00:53. > :00:53.penultimate day of his papacy, Pope penultimate day of his papacy, Pope

:00:53. > :00:54.penultimate day of his papacy, Pope Benedict the 16th will come here to

:00:54. > :00:55.Benedict the 16th will come here to Benedict the 16th will come here to

:00:55. > :00:56.St Peter's Square for his final St Peter's Square for his final

:00:56. > :00:58.St Peter's Square for his final general audience before packing up

:00:58. > :00:59.general audience before packing up general audience before packing up

:00:59. > :01:00.general audience before packing up his possessions and going to lead a

:01:00. > :01:02.his possessions and going to lead a his possessions and going to lead a

:01:02. > :01:04.his possessions and going to lead a life of meditation and prayer. In a

:01:04. > :01:06.life of meditation and prayer. In a life of meditation and prayer. In a

:01:06. > :01:09.small former convent behind us here, small former convent behind us here,

:01:09. > :01:10.small former convent behind us here, in the grounds of the Vatican.

:01:10. > :01:13.in the grounds of the Vatican. in the grounds of the Vatican.

:01:13. > :01:14.20,000 people have gathered, as you 20,000 people have gathered, as you

:01:14. > :01:15.20,000 people have gathered, as you 20,000 people have gathered, as you

:01:15. > :01:17.can see. Not to mourn, but to can see. Not to mourn, but to

:01:17. > :01:18.can see. Not to mourn, but to can see. Not to mourn, but to

:01:18. > :01:19.celebrate the life of the papacy of celebrate the life of the papacy of

:01:19. > :01:20.celebrate the life of the papacy of Pope Benedict the 16th, and people

:01:20. > :01:22.Pope Benedict the 16th, and people Pope Benedict the 16th, and people

:01:22. > :01:24.have been flocking into St Peter's have been flocking into St Peter's

:01:24. > :01:26.have been flocking into St Peter's Square throughout the morning to

:01:26. > :01:27.Square throughout the morning to Square throughout the morning to

:01:27. > :01:28.witness this historic day. During witness this historic day. During

:01:28. > :01:29.witness this historic day. During the course of this special

:01:29. > :01:30.the course of this special the course of this special

:01:30. > :01:32.programme, we will consider his programme, we will consider his

:01:32. > :01:37.programme, we will consider his legacy and the wider questions

:01:37. > :01:37.legacy and the wider questions legacy and the wider questions

:01:38. > :01:38.facing his successor. But there facing his successor. But there

:01:38. > :01:40.facing his successor. But there facing his successor. But there

:01:40. > :01:41.egos, at the time of his choosing. egos, at the time of his choosing.

:01:41. > :01:43.egos, at the time of his choosing. Perhaps less so a manner consistent

:01:43. > :01:44.Perhaps less so a manner consistent Perhaps less so a manner consistent

:01:44. > :01:46.with this troubled period for the with this troubled period for the

:01:46. > :01:47.with this troubled period for the Catholic Church. There has been a

:01:47. > :01:52.Catholic Church. There has been a Catholic Church. There has been a

:01:52. > :01:53.swirl of rumour and intrigue about swirl of rumour and intrigue about

:01:53. > :01:54.swirl of rumour and intrigue about swirl of rumour and intrigue about

:01:54. > :01:55.what lay behind his decision to go what lay behind his decision to go

:01:55. > :01:56.what lay behind his decision to go what lay behind his decision to go

:01:56. > :02:01.now, if nothing more than just that now, if nothing more than just that

:02:01. > :02:03.now, if nothing more than just that now, if nothing more than just that

:02:03. > :02:06.he feels old, tired and weak. I am he feels old, tired and weak. I am

:02:06. > :02:07.he feels old, tired and weak. I am he feels old, tired and weak. I am

:02:07. > :02:08.joined by it roared Strange and by joined by it roared Strange and by

:02:08. > :02:11.joined by it roared Strange and by Robert Pickett. Thank you do both

:02:11. > :02:13.Robert Pickett. Thank you do both Robert Pickett. Thank you do both

:02:13. > :02:14.Robert Pickett. Thank you do both of you. It is just worth reflecting,

:02:14. > :02:16.of you. It is just worth reflecting, of you. It is just worth reflecting,

:02:16. > :02:17.of you. It is just worth reflecting, that nobody has ever seen this, the

:02:17. > :02:20.that nobody has ever seen this, the that nobody has ever seen this, the

:02:20. > :02:21.Pope choosing his moment for Pope choosing his moment for

:02:21. > :02:29.Pope choosing his moment for Pope choosing his moment for

:02:29. > :02:29.departure? As you say, it is a departure? As you say, it is a

:02:29. > :02:33.departure? As you say, it is a historic day, using that word

:02:33. > :02:35.historic day, using that word historic day, using that word

:02:35. > :02:36.properly. Add in today, Jon, we properly. Add in today, Jon, we

:02:36. > :02:37.properly. Add in today, Jon, we properly. Add in today, Jon, we

:02:37. > :02:39.will see the Pope talk a bit about will see the Pope talk a bit about

:02:39. > :02:41.will see the Pope talk a bit about will see the Pope talk a bit about

:02:41. > :02:42.his decision to step down. -- I his decision to step down. -- I

:02:42. > :02:43.his decision to step down. -- I his decision to step down. -- I

:02:43. > :02:44.think. A little about his belief in think. A little about his belief in

:02:44. > :02:46.think. A little about his belief in the Church being guided by Jesus

:02:46. > :02:50.the Church being guided by Jesus the Church being guided by Jesus

:02:50. > :02:55.the Church being guided by Jesus the Church being guided by Jesus

:02:55. > :02:56.and not by a one man, -- and by one and not by a one man, -- and by one

:02:56. > :03:02.and not by a one man, -- and by one and not by a one man, -- and by one

:03:02. > :03:03.man, God. And there is no temple. man, God. And there is no temple.

:03:03. > :03:05.man, God. And there is no temple. man, God. And there is no temple.

:03:05. > :03:06.They have been working out as they They have been working out as they

:03:06. > :03:07.They have been working out as they They have been working out as they

:03:07. > :03:08.went along what to call him, even went along what to call him, even

:03:09. > :03:10.went along what to call him, even went along what to call him, even

:03:10. > :03:11.down to giving up his red shoes do down to giving up his red shoes do

:03:11. > :03:14.down to giving up his red shoes do brown shoes, now he is stepping

:03:14. > :03:15.brown shoes, now he is stepping brown shoes, now he is stepping

:03:15. > :03:16.brown shoes, now he is stepping down. I think people have been very

:03:16. > :03:18.down. I think people have been very down. I think people have been very

:03:18. > :03:20.confused but at the same token, confused but at the same token,

:03:20. > :03:20.confused but at the same token, there was a certain area of

:03:21. > :03:23.there was a certain area of there was a certain area of

:03:23. > :03:24.expectation that this sort of thing expectation that this sort of thing

:03:24. > :03:25.expectation that this sort of thing might happen. So when people were

:03:25. > :03:26.might happen. So when people were might happen. So when people were

:03:26. > :03:28.saying at the announcement that saying at the announcement that

:03:28. > :03:29.saying at the announcement that this is a complete surprise... Well,

:03:29. > :03:31.this is a complete surprise... Well, this is a complete surprise... Well,

:03:31. > :03:32.this is a complete surprise... Well, of course it was, people were taken

:03:32. > :03:33.of course it was, people were taken of course it was, people were taken

:03:33. > :03:35.of course it was, people were taken by surprise but I don't think they

:03:35. > :03:37.by surprise but I don't think they were necessarily surprised. And

:03:37. > :03:38.were necessarily surprised. And were necessarily surprised. And

:03:38. > :03:40.were necessarily surprised. And those of us who we here at the

:03:40. > :03:42.those of us who we here at the those of us who we here at the

:03:42. > :03:43.beginning of this century in the beginning of this century in the

:03:43. > :03:44.beginning of this century in the beginning of this century in the

:03:44. > :03:45.time when Pope John Paul was so ill, time when Pope John Paul was so ill,

:03:45. > :03:47.time when Pope John Paul was so ill, people than talked about, hasn't

:03:47. > :03:49.people than talked about, hasn't people than talked about, hasn't

:03:49. > :03:54.people than talked about, hasn't the time come for him to resign? To

:03:54. > :03:55.the time come for him to resign? To the time come for him to resign? To

:03:55. > :04:02.the time come for him to resign? To give up? And of course, as Kedem or

:04:02. > :04:06.give up? And of course, as Kedem or give up? And of course, as Kedem or

:04:06. > :04:09.rap -- as Cardinal Ratzinger, he rap -- as Cardinal Ratzinger, he

:04:09. > :04:11.rap -- as Cardinal Ratzinger, he rap -- as Cardinal Ratzinger, he

:04:11. > :04:12.was very close to his office? was very close to his office?

:04:12. > :04:13.was very close to his office? was very close to his office?

:04:13. > :04:13.his people? He had a great desire his people? He had a great desire

:04:14. > :04:15.his people? He had a great desire his people? He had a great desire

:04:15. > :04:16.to be with his crowds and when he to be with his crowds and when he

:04:17. > :04:18.to be with his crowds and when he to be with his crowds and when he

:04:18. > :04:21.got old and sick, he seemed to draw got old and sick, he seemed to draw

:04:21. > :04:22.got old and sick, he seemed to draw strength from these crowds. This is

:04:23. > :04:24.strength from these crowds. This is strength from these crowds. This is

:04:24. > :04:26.strength from these crowds. This is a chore for him. It is not so

:04:26. > :04:28.a chore for him. It is not so a chore for him. It is not so

:04:28. > :04:29.exciting for him. He prefers one- exciting for him. He prefers one-

:04:29. > :04:32.on-one encounters and small on-one encounters and small

:04:32. > :04:36.on-one encounters and small gatherings of people. So this is

:04:36. > :04:36.gatherings of people. So this is gatherings of people. So this is

:04:36. > :04:39.gatherings of people. So this is actually... I mean, he is a very

:04:39. > :04:39.actually... I mean, he is a very actually... I mean, he is a very

:04:39. > :04:41.actually... I mean, he is a very studious Pope. It is one of the

:04:41. > :04:42.studious Pope. It is one of the studious Pope. It is one of the

:04:42. > :04:46.things he has possibly felt his things he has possibly felt his

:04:47. > :04:47.things he has possibly felt his things he has possibly felt his

:04:47. > :04:52.most taxing on him, though. You can most taxing on him, though. You can

:04:52. > :04:53.most taxing on him, though. You can see drew energy from the crowds.

:04:53. > :04:54.see drew energy from the crowds. see drew energy from the crowds.

:04:54. > :04:56.see drew energy from the crowds. Has that been a problem for the new

:04:56. > :04:57.Has that been a problem for the new Has that been a problem for the new

:04:57. > :04:59.Has that been a problem for the new Pope, that he has been a scholarly

:04:59. > :05:01.Pope, that he has been a scholarly Pope, that he has been a scholarly

:05:01. > :05:02.figure, who like to meditating? figure, who like to meditating?

:05:02. > :05:05.figure, who like to meditating? figure, who like to meditating?

:05:06. > :05:06.has been very much his own man. But has been very much his own man. But

:05:07. > :05:07.has been very much his own man. But has been very much his own man. But

:05:07. > :05:09.the point made that has been well the point made that has been well

:05:09. > :05:10.the point made that has been well the point made that has been well

:05:10. > :05:11.made is that when you met John Paul made is that when you met John Paul

:05:11. > :05:12.made is that when you met John Paul made is that when you met John Paul

:05:12. > :05:14.II, he tended to be looking over II, he tended to be looking over

:05:14. > :05:17.II, he tended to be looking over your shoulder to the next person

:05:17. > :05:18.your shoulder to the next person your shoulder to the next person

:05:18. > :05:18.coming along. People sale of Pope coming along. People sale of Pope

:05:19. > :05:20.coming along. People sale of Pope coming along. People sale of Pope

:05:20. > :05:22.Benedict that when you have your 30 Benedict that when you have your 30

:05:22. > :05:24.Benedict that when you have your 30 seconds with him, he is completely

:05:24. > :05:27.seconds with him, he is completely seconds with him, he is completely

:05:27. > :05:28.absorbed with you. -- people say. absorbed with you. -- people say.

:05:28. > :05:31.absorbed with you. -- people say. absorbed with you. -- people say.

:05:31. > :05:33.So if we are to talk about his So if we are to talk about his

:05:33. > :05:34.So if we are to talk about his achievements, the scorecard, if you

:05:34. > :05:35.achievements, the scorecard, if you achievements, the scorecard, if you

:05:35. > :05:37.achievements, the scorecard, if you like, if one can do that, what

:05:37. > :05:38.like, if one can do that, what like, if one can do that, what

:05:38. > :05:39.like, if one can do that, what would you say? I think one of the

:05:39. > :05:40.would you say? I think one of the would you say? I think one of the

:05:40. > :05:44.would you say? I think one of the ways in which she would know it is

:05:44. > :05:46.ways in which she would know it is ways in which she would know it is

:05:46. > :05:50.ways in which she would know it is a shift here -- you will notice a

:05:50. > :05:51.a shift here -- you will notice a a shift here -- you will notice a

:05:51. > :05:52.a shift here -- you will notice a shift is the prayer and how we

:05:52. > :05:52.shift is the prayer and how we shift is the prayer and how we

:05:52. > :05:54.shift is the prayer and how we catch as part of the reaction we

:05:54. > :05:55.catch as part of the reaction we catch as part of the reaction we

:05:55. > :05:59.have been talking about, whereas have been talking about, whereas

:05:59. > :06:02.have been talking about, whereas have been talking about, whereas

:06:02. > :06:02.liturgy when John Paul was Pope was liturgy when John Paul was Pope was

:06:02. > :06:03.liturgy when John Paul was Pope was liturgy when John Paul was Pope was

:06:03. > :06:05.a great drama and the drama of the a great drama and the drama of the

:06:05. > :06:06.a great drama and the drama of the liturgy is still there with Pope

:06:06. > :06:08.liturgy is still there with Pope liturgy is still there with Pope

:06:08. > :06:09.Benedict but there are moments of Benedict but there are moments of

:06:09. > :06:11.prolonged silence, and people prolonged silence, and people

:06:11. > :06:12.prolonged silence, and people prolonged silence, and people

:06:12. > :06:13.saying, it is like being in a vast saying, it is like being in a vast

:06:13. > :06:15.saying, it is like being in a vast parish church rather than, as you

:06:15. > :06:17.parish church rather than, as you parish church rather than, as you

:06:17. > :06:18.might expect, coming to a major might expect, coming to a major

:06:18. > :06:21.might expect, coming to a major basilica with the Pope celebrating

:06:21. > :06:23.basilica with the Pope celebrating basilica with the Pope celebrating

:06:23. > :06:24.Mass. And the scholarship is Mass. And the scholarship is

:06:24. > :06:27.Mass. And the scholarship is another. It is another profound,

:06:27. > :06:30.another. It is another profound, considered scholarship that has

:06:30. > :06:34.considered scholarship that has considered scholarship that has

:06:34. > :06:35.considered scholarship that has been evident in his papacy. Has he

:06:35. > :06:39.been evident in his papacy. Has he stripped the orthodoxy of

:06:39. > :06:41.stripped the orthodoxy of stripped the orthodoxy of

:06:41. > :06:42.Catholicism in a way? I think Catholicism in a way? I think

:06:42. > :06:43.naturally Joseph Ratzinger came naturally Joseph Ratzinger came

:06:43. > :06:47.naturally Joseph Ratzinger came naturally Joseph Ratzinger came

:06:47. > :06:49.into this job as the head of the into this job as the head of the

:06:49. > :06:50.into this job as the head of the congregation and the faith for two

:06:50. > :06:51.congregation and the faith for two congregation and the faith for two

:06:51. > :06:52.decades and obviously that is a decades and obviously that is a

:06:52. > :06:53.decades and obviously that is a decades and obviously that is a

:06:53. > :06:56.part of his legacy that has always part of his legacy that has always

:06:56. > :07:00.part of his legacy that has always part of his legacy that has always

:07:00. > :07:02.been with him but I think he is been with him but I think he is

:07:02. > :07:04.been with him but I think he is right about the dreadfulness and a

:07:04. > :07:04.right about the dreadfulness and a right about the dreadfulness and a

:07:04. > :07:12.prayer itself - but in everything prayer itself - but in everything

:07:12. > :07:12.prayer itself - but in everything prayer itself - but in everything

:07:12. > :07:15.in the context of prayer. -- about in the context of prayer. -- about

:07:15. > :07:18.in the context of prayer. -- about in the context of prayer. -- about

:07:18. > :07:19.the whole of prev. When they bring the whole of prev. When they bring

:07:19. > :07:20.the whole of prev. When they bring people together, they have these

:07:20. > :07:21.people together, they have these people together, they have these

:07:21. > :07:24.people together, they have these moments, and part of this is his

:07:24. > :07:26.moments, and part of this is his moments, and part of this is his

:07:26. > :07:27.intention or desire to bring back intention or desire to bring back

:07:27. > :07:28.intention or desire to bring back the transcendent aspect in all

:07:28. > :07:29.the transcendent aspect in all the transcendent aspect in all

:07:29. > :07:30.the transcendent aspect in all human life. That is what I would

:07:30. > :07:31.human life. That is what I would human life. That is what I would

:07:31. > :07:33.human life. That is what I would say it is at the forefront of his

:07:33. > :07:36.say it is at the forefront of his say it is at the forefront of his

:07:36. > :07:36.ministry. But God back in the ministry. But God back in the

:07:36. > :07:40.ministry. But God back in the equation. And human life and

:07:40. > :07:41.equation. And human life and equation. And human life and

:07:41. > :07:44.equation. And human life and society. If you have just joined us,

:07:44. > :07:47.society. If you have just joined us, society. If you have just joined us,

:07:47. > :07:49.we were expecting the Pope Tour we were expecting the Pope Tour

:07:49. > :07:53.we were expecting the Pope Tour we were expecting the Pope Tour

:07:53. > :07:54.rider at 9:30pm -- to arrive at rider at 9:30pm -- to arrive at

:07:54. > :07:55.rider at 9:30pm -- to arrive at about 9:30am and we are hopefully

:07:55. > :07:57.about 9:30am and we are hopefully about 9:30am and we are hopefully

:07:57. > :07:58.getting close to him arriving on getting close to him arriving on

:07:58. > :07:59.getting close to him arriving on his proverbial and driving through

:07:59. > :08:00.his proverbial and driving through his proverbial and driving through

:08:00. > :08:06.his proverbial and driving through the vast crowds of people that have

:08:07. > :08:07.the vast crowds of people that have the vast crowds of people that have

:08:07. > :08:10.gathered. -- is Popemobile. Vast gathered. -- is Popemobile. Vast

:08:10. > :08:10.gathered. -- is Popemobile. Vast numbers of people have gathered

:08:10. > :08:11.numbers of people have gathered numbers of people have gathered

:08:11. > :08:13.numbers of people have gathered here in St Peter's Square on this

:08:14. > :08:14.here in St Peter's Square on this here in St Peter's Square on this

:08:14. > :08:15.bright, wonderful morning. Once he bright, wonderful morning. Once he

:08:15. > :08:17.bright, wonderful morning. Once he bright, wonderful morning. Once he

:08:17. > :08:17.gets into the square, we should be gets into the square, we should be

:08:18. > :08:19.gets into the square, we should be gets into the square, we should be

:08:19. > :08:20.able to go to clear idea of how able to go to clear idea of how

:08:20. > :08:21.able to go to clear idea of how able to go to clear idea of how

:08:21. > :08:22.this will unfold, but we expect him this will unfold, but we expect him

:08:22. > :08:23.this will unfold, but we expect him to speak for something like 20

:08:23. > :08:24.to speak for something like 20 to speak for something like 20

:08:24. > :08:25.to speak for something like 20 minutes or so, and as we were

:08:26. > :08:26.minutes or so, and as we were minutes or so, and as we were

:08:26. > :08:29.minutes or so, and as we were hearing just a moment ago, we are

:08:29. > :08:30.hearing just a moment ago, we are hearing just a moment ago, we are

:08:30. > :08:31.expecting him to make some comments expecting him to make some comments

:08:31. > :08:33.expecting him to make some comments about explanation of why he has

:08:33. > :08:36.about explanation of why he has about explanation of why he has

:08:36. > :08:37.chosen to go in this unprecedented chosen to go in this unprecedented

:08:37. > :08:40.chosen to go in this unprecedented chosen to go in this unprecedented

:08:40. > :08:41.manner in 600 years and what lies manner in 600 years and what lies

:08:41. > :08:41.manner in 600 years and what lies manner in 600 years and what lies

:08:41. > :08:43.behind it, and how put America has, behind it, and how put America has,

:08:43. > :08:43.behind it, and how put America has, behind it, and how put America has,

:08:43. > :08:46.as he will now become known, will as he will now become known, will

:08:46. > :08:53.as he will now become known, will as he will now become known, will

:08:53. > :08:55.about the rest of his days. -- Pope about the rest of his days. -- Pope

:08:55. > :08:56.about the rest of his days. -- Pope emeritus. The cardinals will play a

:08:56. > :08:57.emeritus. The cardinals will play a emeritus. The cardinals will play a

:08:57. > :08:58.critical role in the coming days critical role in the coming days

:08:58. > :09:01.critical role in the coming days and weeks when the conclave gets

:09:01. > :09:02.and weeks when the conclave gets and weeks when the conclave gets

:09:02. > :09:03.underway. Let's go into the crowd underway. Let's go into the crowd

:09:03. > :09:04.underway. Let's go into the crowd underway. Let's go into the crowd

:09:04. > :09:06.and dived into the throng of people, and dived into the throng of people,

:09:07. > :09:11.and dived into the throng of people, the pilgrims who have gathered.

:09:11. > :09:13.the pilgrims who have gathered. the pilgrims who have gathered.

:09:13. > :09:14.Kathy is there. There's a feeling Kathy is there. There's a feeling

:09:14. > :09:16.Kathy is there. There's a feeling of huge excitement here and

:09:16. > :09:17.of huge excitement here and of huge excitement here and

:09:17. > :09:18.everybody is waiting to see Pope everybody is waiting to see Pope

:09:18. > :09:19.everybody is waiting to see Pope Benedict. This is his last

:09:19. > :09:21.Benedict. This is his last Benedict. This is his last

:09:21. > :09:21.appearance before he stands down. appearance before he stands down.

:09:21. > :09:23.appearance before he stands down. The crowd know you will be

:09:23. > :09:24.The crowd know you will be The crowd know you will be

:09:24. > :09:25.The crowd know you will be appearing in his Pope the deal and

:09:25. > :09:27.appearing in his Pope the deal and appearing in his Pope the deal and

:09:27. > :09:29.appearing in his Pope the deal and they will be hoping to catch and Up

:09:29. > :09:33.they will be hoping to catch and Up they will be hoping to catch and Up

:09:34. > :09:34.Close and Personal glimpse of him. Close and Personal glimpse of him.

:09:34. > :09:35.Close and Personal glimpse of him. -- Popemobile. This is the last

:09:36. > :09:37.-- Popemobile. This is the last -- Popemobile. This is the last

:09:37. > :09:38.-- Popemobile. This is the last time he will give a public address,

:09:38. > :09:39.time he will give a public address, time he will give a public address,

:09:39. > :09:40.time he will give a public address, time he will give a public address,

:09:40. > :09:43.as we say, but it is the first time as we say, but it is the first time

:09:43. > :09:44.as we say, but it is the first time as we say, but it is the first time

:09:44. > :09:46.a Pope has stood down in 600 years. a Pope has stood down in 600 years.

:09:46. > :09:48.a Pope has stood down in 600 years. A real feeling of history here.

:09:48. > :09:49.A real feeling of history here. A real feeling of history here.

:09:49. > :09:50.From Austria, Elizabeth and France. From Austria, Elizabeth and France.

:09:50. > :09:53.From Austria, Elizabeth and France. From Austria, Elizabeth and France.

:09:53. > :09:55.How are you feeling to be here at How are you feeling to be here at

:09:55. > :09:56.How are you feeling to be here at this moment? It is great because

:09:56. > :09:57.this moment? It is great because this moment? It is great because

:09:57. > :09:58.this moment? It is great because there are so many people. And it is

:09:59. > :10:00.there are so many people. And it is there are so many people. And it is

:10:00. > :10:01.there are so many people. And it is the last time we can see the Pope

:10:01. > :10:02.the last time we can see the Pope the last time we can see the Pope

:10:02. > :10:07.in public, in a public appearance. in public, in a public appearance.

:10:07. > :10:08.in public, in a public appearance. And it is just... Reflecting the

:10:08. > :10:10.And it is just... Reflecting the And it is just... Reflecting the

:10:10. > :10:12.feelings of great fence there. A feelings of great fence there. A

:10:12. > :10:14.feelings of great fence there. A feelings of great fence there. A

:10:14. > :10:18.lot of emotion in the crowd right lot of emotion in the crowd right

:10:18. > :10:19.lot of emotion in the crowd right lot of emotion in the crowd right

:10:19. > :10:21.now. -- feelings of thanks. As we now. -- feelings of thanks. As we

:10:21. > :10:22.now. -- feelings of thanks. As we now. -- feelings of thanks. As we

:10:22. > :10:27.can see, the putt Mobile is making can see, the putt Mobile is making

:10:27. > :10:32.can see, the putt Mobile is making its way very gingerly through St

:10:32. > :10:34.its way very gingerly through St its way very gingerly through St

:10:34. > :10:35.Peter's Square. -- Pope. Can we Peter's Square. -- Pope. Can we

:10:35. > :10:36.Peter's Square. -- Pope. Can we talk about the health of the

:10:36. > :10:46.talk about the health of the talk about the health of the

:10:46. > :10:48.

:10:48. > :10:50.Catholic Church as he prepares to Catholic Church as he prepares to

:10:50. > :10:52.Catholic Church as he prepares to leave it? There are obviously major

:10:52. > :10:53.leave it? There are obviously major leave it? There are obviously major

:10:54. > :10:55.problems which have caught people's problems which have caught people's

:10:55. > :10:56.attention, dramatic things, attention, dramatic things,

:10:56. > :10:59.attention, dramatic things, particularly in these more recent

:10:59. > :11:00.particularly in these more recent particularly in these more recent

:11:00. > :11:01.particularly in these more recent days. The new Pope is going to have

:11:01. > :11:06.days. The new Pope is going to have days. The new Pope is going to have

:11:06. > :11:07.to pay attention to those things. to pay attention to those things.

:11:08. > :11:09.to pay attention to those things. But there are also many aspects

:11:09. > :11:09.But there are also many aspects But there are also many aspects

:11:09. > :11:10.But there are also many aspects that are very healthy and you would

:11:10. > :11:11.that are very healthy and you would that are very healthy and you would

:11:12. > :11:12.that are very healthy and you would that are very healthy and you would

:11:12. > :11:13.expect me to say that, but I do say expect me to say that, but I do say

:11:14. > :11:15.expect me to say that, but I do say expect me to say that, but I do say

:11:15. > :11:17.that. It is not just about the that. It is not just about the

:11:17. > :11:19.problems that would capture problems that would capture

:11:19. > :11:20.people's immediate attention. But people's immediate attention. But

:11:20. > :11:21.people's immediate attention. But people's immediate attention. But

:11:21. > :11:25.the ordinary life of the Church is the ordinary life of the Church is

:11:25. > :11:26.the ordinary life of the Church is the ordinary life of the Church is

:11:26. > :11:28.very healthy, I think. There we see very healthy, I think. There we see

:11:28. > :11:30.very healthy, I think. There we see Pope Benedict XVI going among the

:11:30. > :11:30.Pope Benedict XVI going among the Pope Benedict XVI going among the

:11:31. > :11:32.Pope Benedict XVI going among the crowds, moving at a very slow pace,

:11:32. > :11:34.crowds, moving at a very slow pace, crowds, moving at a very slow pace,

:11:34. > :11:37.winding his way round through the winding his way round through the

:11:37. > :11:39.winding his way round through the crowds, which have been kept back.

:11:39. > :11:39.crowds, which have been kept back. crowds, which have been kept back.

:11:39. > :11:42.Robert, watching these pictures as Robert, watching these pictures as

:11:42. > :11:42.Robert, watching these pictures as Robert, watching these pictures as

:11:42. > :11:43.Robert, watching these pictures as well with us. And you say he is not

:11:43. > :11:44.well with us. And you say he is not well with us. And you say he is not

:11:44. > :11:46.well with us. And you say he is not a man who draws strength from the

:11:46. > :11:47.a man who draws strength from the a man who draws strength from the

:11:47. > :11:49.a man who draws strength from the crowds but this must be for any

:11:49. > :11:54.crowds but this must be for any crowds but this must be for any

:11:54. > :11:59.body a moving occasion? What you body a moving occasion? What you

:11:59. > :12:00.body a moving occasion? What you are doing here is so extraordinary?

:12:00. > :12:03.are doing here is so extraordinary? are doing here is so extraordinary?

:12:03. > :12:05.are doing here is so extraordinary? Today it is very special. To have

:12:05. > :12:05.Today it is very special. To have Today it is very special. To have

:12:05. > :12:11.the Vatican broadcasting live here the Vatican broadcasting live here

:12:11. > :12:12.the Vatican broadcasting live here the Vatican broadcasting live here

:12:12. > :12:13.in the square. The noise you can in the square. The noise you can

:12:13. > :12:15.in the square. The noise you can hear in the background is quite

:12:15. > :12:17.hear in the background is quite hear in the background is quite

:12:17. > :12:19.different from normal. It is a different from normal. It is a

:12:19. > :12:20.different from normal. It is a particular event, the final time

:12:20. > :12:21.particular event, the final time particular event, the final time

:12:21. > :12:23.Pope Benedict XVI will be before Pope Benedict XVI will be before

:12:23. > :12:23.Pope Benedict XVI will be before Pope Benedict XVI will be before

:12:23. > :12:27.large crowds of people. He will go large crowds of people. He will go

:12:27. > :12:28.large crowds of people. He will go large crowds of people. He will go

:12:28. > :12:29.into prayer now. He has been a into prayer now. He has been a

:12:29. > :12:31.into prayer now. He has been a private person living a cloistered

:12:31. > :12:32.private person living a cloistered private person living a cloistered

:12:32. > :12:33.private person living a cloistered life, so this is the grand finale

:12:33. > :12:34.life, so this is the grand finale life, so this is the grand finale

:12:34. > :12:35.life, so this is the grand finale and we have lots of dignitaries and

:12:35. > :12:36.and we have lots of dignitaries and and we have lots of dignitaries and

:12:36. > :12:40.and we have lots of dignitaries and others who have come out to sea and.

:12:40. > :12:40.others who have come out to sea and. others who have come out to sea and.

:12:40. > :12:41.others who have come out to sea and. A cloistered life, yes, but he will

:12:41. > :12:42.A cloistered life, yes, but he will A cloistered life, yes, but he will

:12:42. > :12:46.A cloistered life, yes, but he will still be in the grounds of the

:12:46. > :12:47.still be in the grounds of the still be in the grounds of the

:12:47. > :12:49.still be in the grounds of the Vatican? I think this is a man who

:12:49. > :12:51.Vatican? I think this is a man who Vatican? I think this is a man who

:12:51. > :12:52.Vatican? I think this is a man who has a great sense of his own

:12:52. > :12:53.has a great sense of his own has a great sense of his own

:12:53. > :12:58.has a great sense of his own position as Pope and then as being

:12:58. > :12:59.position as Pope and then as being position as Pope and then as being

:12:59. > :13:02.Pope no longer. I have great Pope no longer. I have great

:13:02. > :13:03.Pope no longer. I have great Pope no longer. I have great

:13:03. > :13:04.confidence that he has a real sense confidence that he has a real sense

:13:04. > :13:06.confidence that he has a real sense of, to use the expression, the

:13:06. > :13:07.of, to use the expression, the of, to use the expression, the

:13:07. > :13:08.proper boundaries, and he is not proper boundaries, and he is not

:13:08. > :13:11.proper boundaries, and he is not going to be manipulating from the

:13:11. > :13:12.going to be manipulating from the going to be manipulating from the

:13:12. > :13:13.sidelines. I think one thing, Jon, sidelines. I think one thing, Jon,

:13:13. > :13:14.sidelines. I think one thing, Jon, sidelines. I think one thing, Jon,

:13:14. > :13:16.is that this is so extraordinary an is that this is so extraordinary an

:13:16. > :13:17.is that this is so extraordinary an event that people are struggling to

:13:17. > :13:18.event that people are struggling to event that people are struggling to

:13:18. > :13:20.understand it and when we struggle understand it and when we struggle

:13:20. > :13:20.understand it and when we struggle to understand something, we tend to

:13:20. > :13:22.to understand something, we tend to to understand something, we tend to

:13:23. > :13:25.wrench it back into our comfort wrench it back into our comfort

:13:25. > :13:27.wrench it back into our comfort zone, into a familiar place, and

:13:27. > :13:29.zone, into a familiar place, and zone, into a familiar place, and

:13:29. > :13:30.perhaps in politics, in these perhaps in politics, in these

:13:30. > :13:31.perhaps in politics, in these circumstances, you would expect a

:13:31. > :13:32.circumstances, you would expect a circumstances, you would expect a

:13:32. > :13:33.retired Prime Minister her to be retired Prime Minister her to be

:13:33. > :13:38.retired Prime Minister her to be manipulating. We are not in that

:13:38. > :13:40.manipulating. We are not in that manipulating. We are not in that

:13:40. > :13:42.situation. We are in a unique situation. We are in a unique

:13:42. > :13:42.situation. We are in a unique situation. We are in a unique

:13:42. > :13:43.situation in the past 600 years and situation in the past 600 years and

:13:43. > :13:46.situation in the past 600 years and other resignations have not been

:13:46. > :13:47.other resignations have not been other resignations have not been

:13:47. > :13:48.other resignations have not been like this. As we look at these

:13:48. > :13:50.like this. As we look at these like this. As we look at these

:13:50. > :13:51.pictures of him making his way pictures of him making his way

:13:51. > :13:52.pictures of him making his way through the crowds, how much

:13:52. > :13:54.through the crowds, how much through the crowds, how much

:13:54. > :13:55.consternation has there been in the consternation has there been in the

:13:55. > :13:56.consternation has there been in the Vatican over some newspaper reports

:13:56. > :13:57.Vatican over some newspaper reports Vatican over some newspaper reports

:13:57. > :13:59.of the intrigue going on and of the intrigue going on and

:13:59. > :14:00.of the intrigue going on and of the intrigue going on and

:14:00. > :14:02.whether it was down to this report whether it was down to this report

:14:02. > :14:03.whether it was down to this report written by three former Cardinals

:14:03. > :14:04.written by three former Cardinals written by three former Cardinals

:14:04. > :14:08.written by three former Cardinals that led him to think, I have had

:14:08. > :14:09.that led him to think, I have had that led him to think, I have had

:14:09. > :14:10.that led him to think, I have had enough? I am sure that when you

:14:11. > :14:13.enough? I am sure that when you enough? I am sure that when you

:14:13. > :14:15.enough? I am sure that when you look, any man looking at his in-

:14:15. > :14:21.look, any man looking at his in- look, any man looking at his in-

:14:21. > :14:22.trade will have many thoughts. 110 trade will have many thoughts. 110

:14:22. > :14:26.trade will have many thoughts. 110 trade will have many thoughts. 110

:14:26. > :14:27.years ago, Leo the 13th had died at years ago, Leo the 13th had died at

:14:27. > :14:29.years ago, Leo the 13th had died at years ago, Leo the 13th had died at

:14:29. > :14:31.93. Let's put him aside. Has there 93. Let's put him aside. Has there

:14:31. > :14:33.93. Let's put him aside. Has there been annulled a Pope than Benedict

:14:33. > :14:37.been annulled a Pope than Benedict been annulled a Pope than Benedict

:14:37. > :14:38.been annulled a Pope than Benedict XVI is today? -- and older Pope? He

:14:38. > :14:41.XVI is today? -- and older Pope? He XVI is today? -- and older Pope? He

:14:41. > :14:43.is perhaps the oldest Pope in is perhaps the oldest Pope in

:14:43. > :14:46.is perhaps the oldest Pope in history, apart from that one

:14:46. > :14:47.history, apart from that one history, apart from that one

:14:47. > :14:48.history, apart from that one exceptional one. So it us gay man

:14:48. > :14:51.exceptional one. So it us gay man exceptional one. So it us gay man

:14:51. > :14:52.exceptional one. So it us gay man at 86 do be continuing, and also, -

:14:52. > :14:54.at 86 do be continuing, and also, - at 86 do be continuing, and also, -

:14:54. > :14:55.at 86 do be continuing, and also, - at 86 do be continuing, and also, -

:14:55. > :14:57.at 86 do be continuing, and also, - - to ask a man at 86. And it is not

:14:57. > :14:59.- to ask a man at 86. And it is not - to ask a man at 86. And it is not

:14:59. > :14:59.just about something for himself just about something for himself

:14:59. > :15:01.just about something for himself just about something for himself

:15:01. > :15:02.personally, it is a service of the personally, it is a service of the

:15:02. > :15:04.personally, it is a service of the personally, it is a service of the

:15:04. > :15:05.Church. That is what he is seeking Church. That is what he is seeking

:15:05. > :15:06.Church. That is what he is seeking to do, recognising the time has

:15:06. > :15:11.to do, recognising the time has to do, recognising the time has

:15:11. > :15:13.to do, recognising the time has come to step back, because it is

:15:13. > :15:14.come to step back, because it is come to step back, because it is

:15:14. > :15:16.more than something about him, it more than something about him, it

:15:16. > :15:19.more than something about him, it is about the Catholic Church.

:15:19. > :15:21.is about the Catholic Church. is about the Catholic Church.

:15:21. > :15:22.is about the Catholic Church. you agree with that? Yes. I think

:15:22. > :15:23.you agree with that? Yes. I think you agree with that? Yes. I think

:15:23. > :15:27.you agree with that? Yes. I think he has had to make a very difficult

:15:27. > :15:28.he has had to make a very difficult decision. Inside the Vatican,

:15:28. > :15:29.decision. Inside the Vatican, collaborators are probably more

:15:29. > :15:30.collaborators are probably more collaborators are probably more

:15:30. > :15:36.bewildered by his decision than bewildered by his decision than

:15:36. > :15:38.bewildered by his decision than some of the non-Catholic people.

:15:38. > :15:39.some of the non-Catholic people. some of the non-Catholic people.

:15:39. > :15:40.some of the non-Catholic people. Obviously it is not a governance or

:15:40. > :15:41.Obviously it is not a governance or Obviously it is not a governance or

:15:41. > :15:44.Obviously it is not a governance or a political party but it is a Cuban

:15:44. > :15:54.a political party but it is a Cuban institution. And they are

:15:54. > :15:54.

:15:54. > :15:59.institution. And they are institution. And they are

:15:59. > :16:01.positioning for power? -- a human positioning for power? -- a human

:16:01. > :16:01.institution. You remember somebody institution. You remember somebody

:16:01. > :16:02.institution. You remember somebody institution. You remember somebody

:16:02. > :16:05.like Nixon and how angry his aides like Nixon and how angry his aides

:16:05. > :16:06.like Nixon and how angry his aides were because they had worked so

:16:06. > :16:07.were because they had worked so were because they had worked so

:16:07. > :16:09.were because they had worked so hard, and there is a bit of feeling

:16:09. > :16:11.hard, and there is a bit of feeling hard, and there is a bit of feeling

:16:11. > :16:12.hard, and there is a bit of feeling like that. A bit of resentment, in

:16:12. > :16:13.like that. A bit of resentment, in like that. A bit of resentment, in

:16:13. > :16:15.trying to understand that we go trying to understand that we go

:16:15. > :16:16.trying to understand that we go into our comfort zone when

:16:16. > :16:17.into our comfort zone when into our comfort zone when

:16:17. > :16:21.decisions like this are made and decisions like this are made and

:16:21. > :16:22.decisions like this are made and people are certainly wondering, has

:16:22. > :16:23.people are certainly wondering, has people are certainly wondering, has

:16:23. > :16:25.people are certainly wondering, has the job got too much for the putt,

:16:25. > :16:26.the job got too much for the putt, the job got too much for the putt,

:16:26. > :16:31.not just because the Ray Jones not just because the Ray Jones

:16:31. > :16:36.not just because the Ray Jones frailties? -- the Pope. -- because

:16:36. > :16:38.frailties? -- the Pope. -- because frailties? -- the Pope. -- because

:16:38. > :16:41.frailties? -- the Pope. -- because of his age. And the chronicles of

:16:41. > :16:43.of his age. And the chronicles of the infighting, the mismanagement,

:16:43. > :16:44.the infighting, the mismanagement, the infighting, the mismanagement,

:16:44. > :16:45.the infighting, the mismanagement, D jockeying for power that has been

:16:45. > :16:48.D jockeying for power that has been D jockeying for power that has been

:16:48. > :16:49.discovered and that people have discovered and that people have

:16:49. > :16:49.discovered and that people have discovered and that people have

:16:49. > :16:56.always thought was part of this, at always thought was part of this, at

:16:56. > :16:57.always thought was part of this, at least in some parts. Some think

:16:57. > :17:00.least in some parts. Some think least in some parts. Some think

:17:00. > :17:02.that maybe this was one extra that maybe this was one extra

:17:02. > :17:12.that maybe this was one extra that maybe this was one extra

:17:12. > :17:17.

:17:17. > :17:20.weight. Maybe not the cause but an One of his strengths has not been

:17:20. > :17:22.One of his strengths has not been One of his strengths has not been

:17:22. > :17:23.as administrator, and ABS as these as administrator, and ABS as these

:17:23. > :17:24.as administrator, and ABS as these issues became clearer and heavier,

:17:24. > :17:26.issues became clearer and heavier, issues became clearer and heavier,

:17:27. > :17:28.and as his own strength declined, and as his own strength declined,

:17:28. > :17:29.and as his own strength declined, the good of the Church needs

:17:29. > :17:31.the good of the Church needs the good of the Church needs

:17:31. > :17:35.the good of the Church needs somebody else to do this. We spoke

:17:35. > :17:36.somebody else to do this. We spoke somebody else to do this. We spoke

:17:36. > :17:38.somebody else to do this. We spoke about his great age, 78 or 79 when

:17:38. > :17:40.about his great age, 78 or 79 when about his great age, 78 or 79 when

:17:40. > :17:41.about his great age, 78 or 79 when he was elected. He was the almost

:17:41. > :17:43.he was elected. He was the almost he was elected. He was the almost

:17:43. > :17:45.he was elected. He was the almost going to be seen as an interim Pope.

:17:45. > :17:46.going to be seen as an interim Pope. going to be seen as an interim Pope.

:17:46. > :17:50.going to be seen as an interim Pope. John Paul II, this great figure, in

:17:50. > :17:50.John Paul II, this great figure, in John Paul II, this great figure, in

:17:50. > :17:53.John Paul II, this great figure, in terms of the wider 1 billion plus

:17:53. > :17:54.terms of the wider 1 billion plus Catholic community. Pope Benedict

:17:54. > :17:55.Catholic community. Pope Benedict Catholic community. Pope Benedict

:17:55. > :17:57.Catholic community. Pope Benedict was always going to be seen as

:17:57. > :17:58.was always going to be seen as was always going to be seen as

:17:58. > :17:59.someone interim, short term, until someone interim, short term, until

:17:59. > :18:01.someone interim, short term, until someone interim, short term, until

:18:01. > :18:02.we get to the next big figure. we get to the next big figure.

:18:02. > :18:05.we get to the next big figure. we get to the next big figure.

:18:05. > :18:06.think he saw it like that. He said, think he saw it like that. He said,

:18:06. > :18:07.think he saw it like that. He said, my short pontificate, in the early

:18:08. > :18:09.my short pontificate, in the early my short pontificate, in the early

:18:09. > :18:10.my short pontificate, in the early days after his election, as we will

:18:10. > :18:12.days after his election, as we will days after his election, as we will

:18:12. > :18:14.both remember, Robert and I. But, both remember, Robert and I. But,

:18:14. > :18:15.both remember, Robert and I. But, both remember, Robert and I. But,

:18:15. > :18:17.of course, he has lived on, and of course, he has lived on, and

:18:17. > :18:18.of course, he has lived on, and that is wonderful. Of course, one

:18:18. > :18:20.that is wonderful. Of course, one that is wonderful. Of course, one

:18:20. > :18:22.that is wonderful. Of course, one of the things, if you elect an old

:18:22. > :18:23.of the things, if you elect an old of the things, if you elect an old

:18:23. > :18:25.man as Pope, then naturally you man as Pope, then naturally you

:18:25. > :18:25.man as Pope, then naturally you man as Pope, then naturally you

:18:25. > :18:26.will support him, and so you put a will support him, and so you put a

:18:26. > :18:28.will support him, and so you put a will support him, and so you put a

:18:28. > :18:31.group of people around him who will group of people around him who will

:18:31. > :18:32.group of people around him who will group of people around him who will

:18:32. > :18:33.help them and assist in, doing the help them and assist in, doing the

:18:33. > :18:35.help them and assist in, doing the help them and assist in, doing the

:18:35. > :18:36.work that he is meant to do. Some work that he is meant to do. Some

:18:36. > :18:37.work that he is meant to do. Some work that he is meant to do. Some

:18:37. > :18:39.people would say that that has been people would say that that has been

:18:39. > :18:40.people would say that that has been too small a circle. Understandably,

:18:40. > :18:42.too small a circle. Understandably, too small a circle. Understandably,

:18:42. > :18:43.too small a circle. Understandably, too small a circle. Understandably,

:18:43. > :18:45.if you have got a man of 81, he is if you have got a man of 81, he is

:18:45. > :18:45.if you have got a man of 81, he is if you have got a man of 81, he is

:18:46. > :18:47.going to want to be with people who going to want to be with people who

:18:47. > :18:48.going to want to be with people who going to want to be with people who

:18:48. > :18:51.he finds it easy to work with so he finds it easy to work with so

:18:51. > :18:52.he finds it easy to work with so he finds it easy to work with so

:18:52. > :18:53.that he can fulfil the task. There that he can fulfil the task. There

:18:53. > :18:55.that he can fulfil the task. There that he can fulfil the task. There

:18:55. > :18:56.can be a downside to that, that can be a downside to that, that

:18:56. > :18:57.can be a downside to that, that there is kind of proper criticism

:18:57. > :18:59.there is kind of proper criticism there is kind of proper criticism

:18:59. > :19:00.that will not necessarily come that will not necessarily come

:19:00. > :19:01.that will not necessarily come that will not necessarily come

:19:01. > :19:05.through. If I can just pick up on through. If I can just pick up on

:19:05. > :19:06.through. If I can just pick up on that, when he took the name

:19:06. > :19:08.that, when he took the name Benedict, the previous Benedict

:19:08. > :19:09.Benedict, the previous Benedict Benedict, the previous Benedict

:19:09. > :19:10.lasted only seven years, that was lasted only seven years, that was

:19:10. > :19:11.lasted only seven years, that was lasted only seven years, that was

:19:11. > :19:12.one of the reasons he took the name, one of the reasons he took the name,

:19:12. > :19:15.one of the reasons he took the name, because he spoke of his brief

:19:15. > :19:16.because he spoke of his brief pontificate. The thing about

:19:16. > :19:17.pontificate. The thing about pontificate. The thing about

:19:17. > :19:18.governance, one of the real governance, one of the real

:19:18. > :19:19.governance, one of the real detriment to this pontificate, if

:19:19. > :19:21.detriment to this pontificate, if detriment to this pontificate, if

:19:21. > :19:23.detriment to this pontificate, if you can call it that, one of the

:19:23. > :19:25.you can call it that, one of the you can call it that, one of the

:19:25. > :19:27.shortcomings, being a bishop in the shortcomings, being a bishop in the

:19:27. > :19:28.shortcomings, being a bishop in the church means governing. And this is

:19:28. > :19:30.church means governing. And this is church means governing. And this is

:19:30. > :19:31.one of the great criticisms of one of the great criticisms of

:19:31. > :19:32.one of the great criticisms of Joseph Ratzinger as Bishop of

:19:32. > :19:35.Joseph Ratzinger as Bishop of Joseph Ratzinger as Bishop of

:19:36. > :19:37.Munich and Bishop of Rome. You Munich and Bishop of Rome. You

:19:37. > :19:38.Munich and Bishop of Rome. You cannot have disdain for that. This

:19:38. > :19:40.cannot have disdain for that. This cannot have disdain for that. This

:19:41. > :19:42.has bothered some people within the has bothered some people within the

:19:42. > :19:43.has bothered some people within the Vatican. He made no provisions for

:19:43. > :19:44.Vatican. He made no provisions for Vatican. He made no provisions for

:19:44. > :19:45.Vatican. He made no provisions for his leaving. He has let them in a

:19:45. > :19:47.his leaving. He has let them in a his leaving. He has let them in a

:19:47. > :19:48.his leaving. He has let them in a bit of a stake. Only the Pope can

:19:48. > :19:49.bit of a stake. Only the Pope can bit of a stake. Only the Pope can

:19:50. > :19:51.set the rules of the interregnum, set the rules of the interregnum,

:19:51. > :19:52.set the rules of the interregnum, set the rules of the interregnum,

:19:52. > :19:54.the rules for the conclave, and he the rules for the conclave, and he

:19:54. > :19:55.the rules for the conclave, and he resigned without doing that. They

:19:55. > :19:58.resigned without doing that. They resigned without doing that. They

:19:58. > :19:59.had to cobble together laws, three had to cobble together laws, three

:19:59. > :20:00.had to cobble together laws, three had to cobble together laws, three

:20:00. > :20:01.days ago. He has just stopped to days ago. He has just stopped to

:20:01. > :20:02.days ago. He has just stopped to days ago. He has just stopped to

:20:02. > :20:04.bless a child that has come out bless a child that has come out

:20:04. > :20:04.bless a child that has come out bless a child that has come out

:20:04. > :20:05.from the audience. I should say, or from the audience. I should say, or

:20:05. > :20:07.from the audience. I should say, or from the audience. I should say, or

:20:07. > :20:09.those of you who know St Peter's those of you who know St Peter's

:20:09. > :20:10.those of you who know St Peter's Square, it is pretty impressive, a

:20:10. > :20:11.Square, it is pretty impressive, a Square, it is pretty impressive, a

:20:11. > :20:13.big place, but Pope Benedict is big place, but Pope Benedict is

:20:13. > :20:14.big place, but Pope Benedict is going on a fairly circuitous route

:20:14. > :20:15.going on a fairly circuitous route going on a fairly circuitous route

:20:15. > :20:18.around the square so that everyone around the square so that everyone

:20:18. > :20:20.around the square so that everyone can have their chance. And there

:20:20. > :20:20.can have their chance. And there can have their chance. And there

:20:20. > :20:21.can have their chance. And there you see some of the Cardinals who

:20:22. > :20:22.you see some of the Cardinals who you see some of the Cardinals who

:20:22. > :20:24.are gathered, some of those who are gathered, some of those who

:20:24. > :20:25.are gathered, some of those who are gathered, some of those who

:20:25. > :20:26.will be in the conclave after the will be in the conclave after the

:20:26. > :20:27.will be in the conclave after the congregation has taken place which

:20:27. > :20:30.congregation has taken place which congregation has taken place which

:20:31. > :20:32.will set the timetable for the will set the timetable for the

:20:32. > :20:33.will set the timetable for the conclave to begin, which we expect

:20:33. > :20:34.conclave to begin, which we expect conclave to begin, which we expect

:20:34. > :20:37.conclave to begin, which we expect conclave to begin, which we expect

:20:37. > :20:37.in the next 10 days or so, when a in the next 10 days or so, when a

:20:37. > :20:40.in the next 10 days or so, when a successor to Pope Benedict will be

:20:40. > :20:42.successor to Pope Benedict will be successor to Pope Benedict will be

:20:42. > :20:51.chosen. Now we see the Popemobile chosen. Now we see the Popemobile

:20:51. > :20:52.chosen. Now we see the Popemobile chosen. Now we see the Popemobile

:20:52. > :20:55.just on its final few yards. And we just on its final few yards. And we

:20:55. > :20:56.just on its final few yards. And we just on its final few yards. And we

:20:56. > :21:01.just on its final few yards. And we see it now going up to the front of

:21:01. > :21:02.see it now going up to the front of see it now going up to the front of

:21:02. > :21:05.the basilica. The general audience the basilica. The general audience

:21:05. > :21:07.the basilica. The general audience the basilica. The general audience

:21:07. > :21:09.will get under way. Robert, just in will get under way. Robert, just in

:21:09. > :21:12.will get under way. Robert, just in terms of the people here, a

:21:12. > :21:13.terms of the people here, a surprising number? Absolutely, this

:21:13. > :21:14.surprising number? Absolutely, this surprising number? Absolutely, this

:21:14. > :21:15.surprising number? Absolutely, this is a special event. This is a much

:21:15. > :21:16.is a special event. This is a much is a special event. This is a much

:21:16. > :21:18.larger crowd than would normally larger crowd than would normally

:21:18. > :21:19.larger crowd than would normally come to a general audience.

:21:19. > :21:22.come to a general audience. come to a general audience.

:21:22. > :21:24.would normally be held inside. would normally be held inside.

:21:24. > :21:26.would normally be held inside. there is a special audience hall

:21:26. > :21:31.there is a special audience hall there is a special audience hall

:21:31. > :21:32.which was built under Pope Paul, which was built under Pope Paul,

:21:32. > :21:36.which was built under Pope Paul, the audience for, and when the

:21:36. > :21:37.the audience for, and when the the audience for, and when the

:21:37. > :21:38.the audience for, and when the weather is good it is outside, in

:21:38. > :21:38.weather is good it is outside, in weather is good it is outside, in

:21:38. > :21:41.weather is good it is outside, in colder months it is inside the wall.

:21:41. > :21:42.colder months it is inside the wall. colder months it is inside the wall.

:21:42. > :21:44.For bigger events, in the glorious For bigger events, in the glorious

:21:44. > :21:45.For bigger events, in the glorious St Peter's Square, under that blue

:21:45. > :21:47.St Peter's Square, under that blue St Peter's Square, under that blue

:21:47. > :21:50.Roman sky, the weather is really Roman sky, the weather is really

:21:50. > :21:51.co-operating with these events co-operating with these events

:21:51. > :21:54.co-operating with these events co-operating with these events

:21:54. > :21:57.today. And it is the most wonderful, today. And it is the most wonderful,

:21:57. > :21:58.today. And it is the most wonderful, today. And it is the most wonderful,

:21:58. > :21:59.Chris morning here in Rome today. - Chris morning here in Rome today. -

:22:00. > :22:02.Chris morning here in Rome today. - - crisp. Probably a couple of

:22:02. > :22:03.- crisp. Probably a couple of hundred thousand people. Monsignor,

:22:03. > :22:06.hundred thousand people. Monsignor, hundred thousand people. Monsignor,

:22:06. > :22:07.are you good at guessing crowd are you good at guessing crowd

:22:07. > :22:11.are you good at guessing crowd numbers? No, there are no awful

:22:11. > :22:13.numbers? No, there are no awful numbers? No, there are no awful

:22:13. > :22:16.lot! I know that some universities lot! I know that some universities

:22:16. > :22:17.lot! I know that some universities have cancelled lectures. Where I am

:22:17. > :22:18.have cancelled lectures. Where I am have cancelled lectures. Where I am

:22:19. > :22:19.rector, we have lectures in houses, rector, we have lectures in houses,

:22:19. > :22:20.rector, we have lectures in houses, but the students said they wanted

:22:20. > :22:22.but the students said they wanted but the students said they wanted

:22:22. > :22:32.but the students said they wanted to be at the audience. We cancelled

:22:32. > :22:33.to be at the audience. We cancelled It looks as though the general

:22:33. > :22:36.It looks as though the general It looks as though the general

:22:36. > :22:36.audiences now getting under way as audiences now getting under way as

:22:36. > :22:38.audiences now getting under way as audiences now getting under way as

:22:38. > :22:40.Pope Benedict stands, and a wave of Pope Benedict stands, and a wave of

:22:40. > :22:41.Pope Benedict stands, and a wave of applause courses through St Peter's

:22:42. > :22:51.applause courses through St Peter's applause courses through St Peter's

:22:52. > :22:52.

:22:52. > :23:44.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 52 seconds

:23:44. > :23:46.TRANSLATION: We have heard that you TRANSLATION: We have heard that you

:23:46. > :23:47.TRANSLATION: We have heard that you believe in Jesus Christ and that

:23:47. > :23:53.believe in Jesus Christ and that believe in Jesus Christ and that

:23:53. > :23:54.you are tractable taught all the you are tractable taught all the

:23:54. > :23:55.you are tractable taught all the signs, or given all the heavens.

:23:55. > :23:56.signs, or given all the heavens. signs, or given all the heavens.

:23:56. > :24:06.signs, or given all the heavens. You really heard of it through the

:24:06. > :24:07.

:24:07. > :24:10.And this develops the same way that And this develops the same way that

:24:10. > :24:12.And this develops the same way that it develops within you, this faith,

:24:12. > :24:13.it develops within you, this faith, it develops within you, this faith,

:24:13. > :24:23.it develops within you, this faith, since you came to see the grace of

:24:23. > :24:59.

:24:59. > :25:00.JON SOPEL: They will go through a JON SOPEL: They will go through a

:25:00. > :25:01.JON SOPEL: They will go through a variety of languages to talk about

:25:01. > :25:01.variety of languages to talk about variety of languages to talk about

:25:01. > :25:03.variety of languages to talk about what is happening, and then we will

:25:03. > :25:05.what is happening, and then we will what is happening, and then we will

:25:05. > :25:06.get to the papal address itself, get to the papal address itself,

:25:06. > :25:08.get to the papal address itself, get to the papal address itself,

:25:08. > :25:09.which will be in Italian, which we which will be in Italian, which we

:25:09. > :25:10.which will be in Italian, which we will translate for you, and it

:25:10. > :25:11.will translate for you, and it will translate for you, and it

:25:11. > :25:12.will translate for you, and it might last up to 20 minutes. Those

:25:12. > :25:14.might last up to 20 minutes. Those might last up to 20 minutes. Those

:25:14. > :25:16.might last up to 20 minutes. Those are the final words that we will

:25:16. > :25:17.are the final words that we will are the final words that we will

:25:18. > :25:18.are the final words that we will hear from the Pope, and then the Al

:25:18. > :25:21.hear from the Pope, and then the Al hear from the Pope, and then the Al

:25:21. > :25:26.hear from the Pope, and then the Al father will be sung in Latin. And

:25:26. > :25:27.father will be sung in Latin. And father will be sung in Latin. And

:25:27. > :25:28.father will be sung in Latin. And then a brief part of the Pope's

:25:28. > :25:29.then a brief part of the Pope's then a brief part of the Pope's

:25:29. > :25:30.speech will be translated into a speech will be translated into a

:25:30. > :25:32.speech will be translated into a number of different languages, we

:25:32. > :25:33.number of different languages, we number of different languages, we

:25:33. > :25:34.will get a short couple of will get a short couple of

:25:34. > :25:37.will get a short couple of sentences from him. At the moment

:25:37. > :25:38.sentences from him. At the moment sentences from him. At the moment

:25:38. > :25:39.they are going through the short they are going through the short

:25:39. > :25:40.they are going through the short prayer from the Bible reading which

:25:40. > :25:42.prayer from the Bible reading which prayer from the Bible reading which

:25:42. > :25:43.prayer from the Bible reading which will take place in a number of

:25:43. > :25:48.will take place in a number of will take place in a number of

:25:48. > :25:49.languages, and now in English. languages, and now in English.

:25:49. > :25:54.languages, and now in English. languages, and now in English.

:25:54. > :25:56.A reading from the letter of St A reading from the letter of St

:25:56. > :25:57.A reading from the letter of St Paul's. We always thank God the

:25:57. > :25:59.Paul's. We always thank God the Paul's. We always thank God the

:25:59. > :26:01.Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ, Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ,

:26:01. > :26:03.Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ, Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ,

:26:03. > :26:04.when we pray for you, because we when we pray for you, because we

:26:04. > :26:05.when we pray for you, because we when we pray for you, because we

:26:05. > :26:06.have heard of your faith in Christ have heard of your faith in Christ

:26:06. > :26:07.have heard of your faith in Christ have heard of your faith in Christ

:26:07. > :26:09.Jesus and of the love which you Jesus and of the love which you

:26:09. > :26:10.Jesus and of the love which you Jesus and of the love which you

:26:10. > :26:11.have for all the saints, because of have for all the saints, because of

:26:11. > :26:14.have for all the saints, because of have for all the saints, because of

:26:14. > :26:15.the hope laid out for you in heaven. the hope laid out for you in heaven.

:26:15. > :26:16.the hope laid out for you in heaven. the hope laid out for you in heaven.

:26:16. > :26:18.Of this you have heard before in Of this you have heard before in

:26:18. > :26:19.Of this you have heard before in Of this you have heard before in

:26:19. > :26:22.the words of the truth, the Gospel the words of the truth, the Gospel

:26:22. > :26:23.the words of the truth, the Gospel the words of the truth, the Gospel

:26:23. > :26:24.which has come to you, as indeed in which has come to you, as indeed in

:26:24. > :26:27.which has come to you, as indeed in which has come to you, as indeed in

:26:27. > :26:29.the whole world it is bearing fruit the whole world it is bearing fruit

:26:29. > :26:29.the whole world it is bearing fruit and growing, so among yourselves

:26:29. > :26:32.and growing, so among yourselves and growing, so among yourselves

:26:32. > :26:33.from the day you heard and from the day you heard and

:26:33. > :26:36.from the day you heard and understood the grace of God in

:26:36. > :26:46.understood the grace of God in understood the grace of God in

:26:46. > :26:48.

:26:49. > :26:50.It will be read in a number of It will be read in a number of

:26:50. > :26:51.It will be read in a number of other languages, we have had Fred,

:26:51. > :26:56.other languages, we have had Fred, other languages, we have had Fred,

:26:56. > :26:58.English, and we will have chairman, English, and we will have chairman,

:26:58. > :27:01.English, and we will have chairman, Spanish, and Portuguese. -- German.

:27:01. > :27:03.Spanish, and Portuguese. -- German. Spanish, and Portuguese. -- German.

:27:03. > :27:04.Spanish, and Portuguese. -- German. And of course reaching out to the

:27:04. > :27:07.And of course reaching out to the large communities of Catholics

:27:07. > :27:13.large communities of Catholics large communities of Catholics

:27:13. > :27:14.around the world. With me year, around the world. With me year,

:27:14. > :27:15.around the world. With me year, Monsignor Roderick Strange And Our

:27:15. > :27:17.Monsignor Roderick Strange And Our Vatican correspondent, Robert

:27:17. > :27:18.Vatican correspondent, Robert Vatican correspondent, Robert

:27:18. > :27:20.Vatican correspondent, Robert Pigott. I will just carry on, the

:27:20. > :27:20.Pigott. I will just carry on, the Pigott. I will just carry on, the

:27:20. > :27:22.Pigott. I will just carry on, the same prayer is being repeated in a

:27:22. > :27:24.same prayer is being repeated in a same prayer is being repeated in a

:27:24. > :27:25.number of different languages. Just number of different languages. Just

:27:25. > :27:28.number of different languages. Just number of different languages. Just

:27:28. > :27:29.take us through, what is the form take us through, what is the form

:27:29. > :27:31.take us through, what is the form of the speech that the Pope

:27:31. > :27:32.of the speech that the Pope of the speech that the Pope

:27:32. > :27:34.of the speech that the Pope delivers? Is it a reflection on the

:27:34. > :27:35.delivers? Is it a reflection on the delivers? Is it a reflection on the

:27:36. > :27:38.Bible? Today it is different. Bible? Today it is different.

:27:38. > :27:38.Bible? Today it is different. Bible? Today it is different.

:27:38. > :27:40.Normally the Pope gives a lesson, a Normally the Pope gives a lesson, a

:27:40. > :27:40.Normally the Pope gives a lesson, a Normally the Pope gives a lesson, a

:27:40. > :27:43.cat to cases, and that lesson that cat to cases, and that lesson that

:27:43. > :27:45.cat to cases, and that lesson that cat to cases, and that lesson that

:27:45. > :27:47.is spoken in the square is put down is spoken in the square is put down

:27:47. > :27:48.is spoken in the square is put down is spoken in the square is put down

:27:48. > :27:49.in writing for all time, and that in writing for all time, and that

:27:49. > :27:50.in writing for all time, and that is the teaching of Pope Benedict

:27:50. > :27:51.is the teaching of Pope Benedict is the teaching of Pope Benedict

:27:51. > :27:52.is the teaching of Pope Benedict XVI. Today is going to be very

:27:52. > :27:54.XVI. Today is going to be very XVI. Today is going to be very

:27:54. > :27:57.different, because this is his last different, because this is his last

:27:57. > :27:58.different, because this is his last public gathering ever as Pope, and

:27:58. > :27:59.public gathering ever as Pope, and public gathering ever as Pope, and

:27:59. > :27:59.public gathering ever as Pope, and so we expect him to talk more about

:27:59. > :28:00.so we expect him to talk more about so we expect him to talk more about

:28:00. > :28:01.so we expect him to talk more about the decision that he has made, how

:28:01. > :28:03.the decision that he has made, how the decision that he has made, how

:28:03. > :28:04.the decision that he has made, how he has come to that decision, and I

:28:04. > :28:06.he has come to that decision, and I he has come to that decision, and I

:28:06. > :28:06.he has come to that decision, and I he has come to that decision, and I

:28:06. > :28:08.think we are going to get more of a think we are going to get more of a

:28:08. > :28:09.think we are going to get more of a think we are going to get more of a

:28:09. > :28:10.glimpse of his own love for the glimpse of his own love for the

:28:10. > :28:10.glimpse of his own love for the glimpse of his own love for the

:28:10. > :28:13.Church and the people that are part Church and the people that are part

:28:13. > :28:14.Church and the people that are part of this worldwide Church. And as

:28:14. > :28:16.of this worldwide Church. And as of this worldwide Church. And as

:28:16. > :28:17.always, Pope Benedict is a very always, Pope Benedict is a very

:28:17. > :28:17.always, Pope Benedict is a very always, Pope Benedict is a very

:28:17. > :28:18.grateful person, so I think he will grateful person, so I think he will

:28:18. > :28:19.grateful person, so I think he will grateful person, so I think he will

:28:19. > :28:21.have words of thanks for this vast have words of thanks for this vast

:28:21. > :28:22.have words of thanks for this vast have words of thanks for this vast

:28:22. > :28:23.crowd of people, many of whom are crowd of people, many of whom are

:28:23. > :28:26.crowd of people, many of whom are dignitaries, as well as the

:28:26. > :28:27.dignitaries, as well as the dignitaries, as well as the

:28:27. > :28:28.faithful from around Italy. faithful from around Italy.

:28:28. > :28:29.faithful from around Italy. although there are VIPs here today,

:28:29. > :28:31.although there are VIPs here today, although there are VIPs here today,

:28:31. > :28:32.although there are VIPs here today, although there are VIPs here today,

:28:32. > :28:35.he did not want this to be a huge he did not want this to be a huge

:28:35. > :28:36.he did not want this to be a huge gathering of world leaders, did he?

:28:36. > :28:37.gathering of world leaders, did he? gathering of world leaders, did he?

:28:37. > :28:38.gathering of world leaders, did he? I was fascinated, I saw it on

:28:38. > :28:40.I was fascinated, I saw it on I was fascinated, I saw it on

:28:40. > :28:41.television, I was not here on television, I was not here on

:28:41. > :28:42.television, I was not here on Sunday for the Angelus. Although

:28:42. > :28:43.Sunday for the Angelus. Although Sunday for the Angelus. Although

:28:43. > :28:46.there was reference to this being there was reference to this being

:28:46. > :28:47.there was reference to this being the last Angela's and dedicated to

:28:47. > :28:49.the last Angela's and dedicated to the last Angela's and dedicated to

:28:49. > :28:52.prayer and meditation and going up prayer and meditation and going up

:28:52. > :28:53.the mountain, the Transfiguration, the mountain, the Transfiguration,

:28:53. > :28:55.the mountain, the Transfiguration, the mountain, the Transfiguration,

:28:55. > :28:56.it was just like a normal Angelus. it was just like a normal Angelus.

:28:56. > :28:57.it was just like a normal Angelus. After 15 minutes, he went inside,

:28:58. > :28:58.After 15 minutes, he went inside, After 15 minutes, he went inside,

:28:59. > :29:00.After 15 minutes, he went inside, and that is typical of the man.

:29:00. > :29:01.and that is typical of the man. and that is typical of the man.

:29:01. > :29:02.Although there are some special Although there are some special

:29:02. > :29:03.Although there are some special things today, like there is going

:29:03. > :29:04.things today, like there is going things today, like there is going

:29:04. > :29:05.things today, like there is going to be another two of the square in

:29:05. > :29:07.to be another two of the square in to be another two of the square in

:29:07. > :29:08.the Popemobile at the end, I the Popemobile at the end, I

:29:08. > :29:09.the Popemobile at the end, I believe, besides the one when he

:29:09. > :29:10.believe, besides the one when he believe, besides the one when he

:29:10. > :29:11.came in, but essentially it is came in, but essentially it is

:29:11. > :29:12.came in, but essentially it is came in, but essentially it is

:29:12. > :29:14.going to be like a normal audience, going to be like a normal audience,

:29:14. > :29:15.going to be like a normal audience, except, as Roberts says, we expect

:29:15. > :29:18.except, as Roberts says, we expect except, as Roberts says, we expect

:29:18. > :29:19.him to talk about his own him to talk about his own

:29:19. > :29:21.him to talk about his own circumstances and reflect on his

:29:22. > :29:22.circumstances and reflect on his resignation. Realistically, once he

:29:22. > :29:24.resignation. Realistically, once he resignation. Realistically, once he

:29:24. > :29:27.made the announcement, there was made the announcement, there was

:29:27. > :29:29.very little additional narrative very little additional narrative

:29:29. > :29:30.very little additional narrative provided. That is true, and again,

:29:30. > :29:32.provided. That is true, and again, provided. That is true, and again,

:29:32. > :29:33.as was said before, people should as was said before, people should

:29:33. > :29:34.as was said before, people should as was said before, people should

:29:34. > :29:36.not far been surprised that he step not far been surprised that he step

:29:36. > :29:37.not far been surprised that he step down. We talked about this before.

:29:37. > :29:39.down. We talked about this before. down. We talked about this before.

:29:39. > :29:41.down. We talked about this before. The surprise came in the timing. As

:29:41. > :29:43.The surprise came in the timing. As The surprise came in the timing. As

:29:43. > :29:44.I said before, his closest I said before, his closest

:29:44. > :29:46.I said before, his closest collaborators, people work here in

:29:46. > :29:47.collaborators, people work here in collaborators, people work here in

:29:47. > :29:49.the bureaucracy, they thought that, the bureaucracy, they thought that,

:29:49. > :29:50.the bureaucracy, they thought that, yes, he would resign, but probably

:29:50. > :29:51.yes, he would resign, but probably yes, he would resign, but probably

:29:51. > :29:52.yes, he would resign, but probably yes, he would resign, but probably

:29:52. > :29:53.if he had a stroke or if there was if he had a stroke or if there was

:29:53. > :29:55.if he had a stroke or if there was some physical disability. He has

:29:55. > :29:57.some physical disability. He has some physical disability. He has

:29:57. > :29:59.moved slowly but he is extremely moved slowly but he is extremely

:29:59. > :30:01.moved slowly but he is extremely lucid. Right after he announced his

:30:01. > :30:02.lucid. Right after he announced his lucid. Right after he announced his

:30:02. > :30:03.resignation, he gave a 45 minutes' resignation, he gave a 45 minutes'

:30:03. > :30:06.resignation, he gave a 45 minutes' resignation, he gave a 45 minutes'

:30:06. > :30:09.talk to priests in the diocese of talk to priests in the diocese of

:30:09. > :30:10.talk to priests in the diocese of Rome, and it was extremely detailed,

:30:10. > :30:14.Rome, and it was extremely detailed, Rome, and it was extremely detailed,

:30:14. > :30:15.structured, as his thoughts are. structured, as his thoughts are.

:30:15. > :30:16.structured, as his thoughts are. there had been some physical

:30:16. > :30:18.there had been some physical there had been some physical

:30:18. > :30:19.incapacity, they could have been incapacity, they could have been

:30:19. > :30:20.incapacity, they could have been people saying, but did he really

:30:20. > :30:22.people saying, but did he really people saying, but did he really

:30:22. > :30:23.need to resign? Is it somebody need to resign? Is it somebody

:30:24. > :30:24.need to resign? Is it somebody need to resign? Is it somebody

:30:24. > :30:26.taking advantage of a bout of ill- taking advantage of a bout of ill-

:30:26. > :30:28.taking advantage of a bout of ill- health? You cannot say that, though.

:30:28. > :30:31.health? You cannot say that, though. health? You cannot say that, though.

:30:31. > :30:33.This man, in terms of his This man, in terms of his

:30:33. > :30:35.intellectual capacity and certain intellectual capacity and certain

:30:35. > :30:36.intellectual capacity and certain physical strength, he is capable

:30:36. > :30:38.physical strength, he is capable physical strength, he is capable

:30:38. > :30:39.and in full command of his and in full command of his

:30:39. > :30:40.and in full command of his faculties. And so the freedom of

:30:40. > :30:42.faculties. And so the freedom of faculties. And so the freedom of

:30:42. > :30:43.the decision cannot be discussed. the decision cannot be discussed.

:30:43. > :30:46.the decision cannot be discussed. That is essential for this historic

:30:46. > :30:48.That is essential for this historic That is essential for this historic

:30:48. > :30:58.step. Full command of his reasoning, step. Full command of his reasoning,

:30:58. > :31:06.

:31:06. > :31:07.step. Full command of his reasoning, And also, the final days drag a

:31:07. > :31:08.And also, the final days drag a And also, the final days drag a

:31:08. > :31:14.doll, with intimate details of a doll, with intimate details of a

:31:14. > :31:18.doll, with intimate details of a man's physical live for. -- the

:31:18. > :31:18.man's physical live for. -- the man's physical live for. -- the

:31:19. > :31:20.final days dragged on. There are final days dragged on. There are

:31:20. > :31:21.final days dragged on. There are final days dragged on. There are

:31:21. > :31:22.signs he is beginning to slip and signs he is beginning to slip and

:31:22. > :31:23.signs he is beginning to slip and signs he is beginning to slip and

:31:23. > :31:26.his speech is not as strong and I his speech is not as strong and I

:31:26. > :31:27.his speech is not as strong and I his speech is not as strong and I

:31:27. > :31:28.think that scared him. One aid in think that scared him. One aid in

:31:28. > :31:29.think that scared him. One aid in think that scared him. One aid in

:31:29. > :31:31.the Vatican told me he was very the Vatican told me he was very

:31:31. > :31:33.the Vatican told me he was very shaken at Christmas time when his

:31:33. > :31:33.shaken at Christmas time when his shaken at Christmas time when his

:31:33. > :31:34.shaken at Christmas time when his older brother came to meet with him

:31:34. > :31:37.older brother came to meet with him older brother came to meet with him

:31:37. > :31:38.older brother came to meet with him and arrived in a wheelchair. He had

:31:38. > :31:40.and arrived in a wheelchair. He had and arrived in a wheelchair. He had

:31:40. > :31:40.never seen his brother in a never seen his brother in a

:31:40. > :31:41.never seen his brother in a wheelchair and it shook him,

:31:41. > :31:43.wheelchair and it shook him, wheelchair and it shook him,

:31:43. > :31:45.wheelchair and it shook him, thinking, that could be me. He uses

:31:45. > :31:46.thinking, that could be me. He uses thinking, that could be me. He uses

:31:46. > :31:48.thinking, that could be me. He uses a stick now in private. Not much in

:31:48. > :31:51.a stick now in private. Not much in a stick now in private. Not much in

:31:51. > :31:55.a stick now in private. Not much in public. He is a very private person.

:31:55. > :31:56.public. He is a very private person. public. He is a very private person.

:31:56. > :31:57.public. He is a very private person. And I think seeing what happened to

:31:58. > :31:58.And I think seeing what happened to And I think seeing what happened to

:31:58. > :31:59.And I think seeing what happened to John Paul second, he did not want

:31:59. > :32:04.John Paul second, he did not want John Paul second, he did not want

:32:04. > :32:05.John Paul second, he did not want that to happen to him. Just coming

:32:05. > :32:06.that to happen to him. Just coming that to happen to him. Just coming

:32:06. > :32:08.that to happen to him. Just coming to the end of the prayers in a

:32:08. > :32:10.to the end of the prayers in a to the end of the prayers in a

:32:10. > :32:11.variety of different languages. We variety of different languages. We

:32:11. > :32:11.variety of different languages. We variety of different languages. We

:32:11. > :32:15.are in Polish now and then we will are in Polish now and then we will

:32:15. > :32:18.are in Polish now and then we will are in Polish now and then we will

:32:18. > :32:19.be on to... We go onto his speech, be on to... We go onto his speech,

:32:19. > :32:21.be on to... We go onto his speech, which will be lengthier today than

:32:21. > :32:22.which will be lengthier today than which will be lengthier today than

:32:22. > :32:25.normal because of the circumstances. normal because of the circumstances.

:32:25. > :32:26.normal because of the circumstances. normal because of the circumstances.

:32:26. > :32:32.Again, it is his last appearance in Again, it is his last appearance in

:32:32. > :32:33.Again, it is his last appearance in public, and what a crowd.

:32:33. > :32:35.public, and what a crowd. public, and what a crowd.

:32:35. > :32:37.Interestingly, the Pope has not got Interestingly, the Pope has not got

:32:37. > :32:38.Interestingly, the Pope has not got Interestingly, the Pope has not got

:32:38. > :32:39.close family. I mean, he has his close family. I mean, he has his

:32:39. > :32:41.close family. I mean, he has his brother and his sister effectively

:32:41. > :32:42.brother and his sister effectively brother and his sister effectively

:32:42. > :32:43.brother and his sister effectively looked after him for a long time

:32:43. > :32:47.looked after him for a long time looked after him for a long time

:32:47. > :32:48.but there are no younger nephews but there are no younger nephews

:32:48. > :32:49.but there are no younger nephews but there are no younger nephews

:32:49. > :32:51.and nieces? No, there are just the and nieces? No, there are just the

:32:51. > :32:53.and nieces? No, there are just the three of them. His brother is

:32:53. > :32:54.three of them. His brother is three of them. His brother is

:32:54. > :32:55.younger than him but they were younger than him but they were

:32:55. > :32:57.younger than him but they were ordained as priests in the same

:32:57. > :32:58.ordained as priests in the same ordained as priests in the same

:32:58. > :32:59.ordained as priests in the same year. It was right after the war,

:32:59. > :33:00.year. It was right after the war, year. It was right after the war,

:33:00. > :33:02.year. It was right after the war, so they were ordained at the same

:33:02. > :33:04.so they were ordained at the same so they were ordained at the same

:33:04. > :33:05.so they were ordained at the same time. The sister lived here in Rome

:33:05. > :33:12.time. The sister lived here in Rome time. The sister lived here in Rome

:33:12. > :33:13.time. The sister lived here in Rome and died in 1991. They say he went

:33:13. > :33:14.and died in 1991. They say he went and died in 1991. They say he went

:33:14. > :33:16.into a great depression after the into a great depression after the

:33:16. > :33:16.into a great depression after the into a great depression after the

:33:17. > :33:18.death of his sister. He and his death of his sister. He and his

:33:18. > :33:20.death of his sister. He and his brother are very, very close, so

:33:20. > :33:21.brother are very, very close, so brother are very, very close, so

:33:21. > :33:31.any kind of infirmity in his any kind of infirmity in his

:33:31. > :33:40.

:33:40. > :33:50.I would like to thank you to be I would like to thank you to be

:33:50. > :33:51.

:33:51. > :33:54.I would like to thank you to be TRANSLATION: Thank you from the

:33:54. > :33:55.TRANSLATION: Thank you from the TRANSLATION: Thank you from the

:33:55. > :33:57.bottom of my heart. I'm really bottom of my heart. I'm really

:33:57. > :34:02.bottom of my heart. I'm really moved. You are keeping the church

:34:02. > :34:03.moved. You are keeping the church moved. You are keeping the church

:34:03. > :34:13.moved. You are keeping the church alive. We, too, Frank God for this

:34:13. > :34:21.

:34:21. > :34:23.alive. We, too, Frank God for this As St Paul said, I feel in my heart

:34:23. > :34:24.As St Paul said, I feel in my heart As St Paul said, I feel in my heart

:34:24. > :34:27.As St Paul said, I feel in my heart that I need to thank God that

:34:27. > :34:32.that I need to thank God that that I need to thank God that

:34:32. > :34:34.guides the Church and develops it. guides the Church and develops it.

:34:34. > :34:39.guides the Church and develops it. And feeds faith in his people.

:34:39. > :34:40.And feeds faith in his people. And feeds faith in his people.

:34:40. > :34:43.And feeds faith in his people. Right now, my soar is open to

:34:43. > :34:45.Right now, my soar is open to Right now, my soar is open to

:34:45. > :34:46.embrace the entire church. -- my embrace the entire church. -- my

:34:46. > :34:48.embrace the entire church. -- my embrace the entire church. -- my

:34:48. > :34:49.soul. And I would like to thank soul. And I would like to thank

:34:49. > :34:56.soul. And I would like to thank everybody for the help I have

:34:56. > :34:59.everybody for the help I have everybody for the help I have

:34:59. > :35:00.received. And the charity that is received. And the charity that is

:35:00. > :35:01.received. And the charity that is received. And the charity that is

:35:01. > :35:03.inside the church and to make sure inside the church and to make sure

:35:03. > :35:04.inside the church and to make sure inside the church and to make sure

:35:04. > :35:05.the church lives in hope and love the church lives in hope and love

:35:05. > :35:10.the church lives in hope and love the church lives in hope and love

:35:10. > :35:11.the church lives in hope and love and to help us to open up to life.

:35:11. > :35:17.and to help us to open up to life. and to help us to open up to life.

:35:17. > :35:19.and to help us to open up to life. I would like to pray for every one.

:35:19. > :35:21.I would like to pray for every one. I would like to pray for every one.

:35:21. > :35:23.I would like to pray for every one. And during my visits and my trips,

:35:23. > :35:27.And during my visits and my trips, And during my visits and my trips,

:35:27. > :35:28.I have prayed with everybody and I have prayed with everybody and

:35:28. > :35:33.I have prayed with everybody and I have prayed with everybody and

:35:33. > :35:33.for everybody, so that we are fully for everybody, so that we are fully

:35:34. > :35:35.for everybody, so that we are fully for everybody, so that we are fully

:35:35. > :35:37.aware of God's will and I have aware of God's will and I have

:35:37. > :35:38.aware of God's will and I have aware of God's will and I have

:35:38. > :35:41.always parade so that we can behave always parade so that we can behave

:35:41. > :35:45.always parade so that we can behave always parade so that we can behave

:35:45. > :35:47.in a way that is dignified. A -- in a way that is dignified. A --

:35:47. > :35:49.in a way that is dignified. A -- in a way that is dignified. A --

:35:49. > :35:51.parade. Right now, I have a lot of parade. Right now, I have a lot of

:35:51. > :35:53.parade. Right now, I have a lot of trust inside myself because we all

:35:53. > :35:54.trust inside myself because we all trust inside myself because we all

:35:54. > :35:55.trust inside myself because we all know that the words of the Gospels

:35:56. > :35:57.know that the words of the Gospels know that the words of the Gospels

:35:58. > :36:03.know that the words of the Gospels of the strength of the Church and

:36:03. > :36:05.of the strength of the Church and of the strength of the Church and

:36:05. > :36:08.its life. And it bears fruit its life. And it bears fruit

:36:08. > :36:10.its life. And it bears fruit wherever people listen to these

:36:10. > :36:11.wherever people listen to these wherever people listen to these

:36:11. > :36:13.wherever people listen to these words and accept God's grace as the

:36:13. > :36:14.words and accept God's grace as the words and accept God's grace as the

:36:14. > :36:21.words and accept God's grace as the truth. This is what I trust in,

:36:21. > :36:23.truth. This is what I trust in, truth. This is what I trust in,

:36:23. > :36:25.truth. This is what I trust in, this is my joy. When, on 19th April

:36:25. > :36:32.this is my joy. When, on 19th April this is my joy. When, on 19th April

:36:32. > :36:34.2008 years ago, I accepted to 2008 years ago, I accepted to

:36:34. > :36:35.2008 years ago, I accepted to 2008 years ago, I accepted to

:36:35. > :36:37.become the Pope, I was certain, and become the Pope, I was certain, and

:36:37. > :36:40.become the Pope, I was certain, and the certainty has always been with

:36:40. > :36:41.the certainty has always been with the certainty has always been with

:36:41. > :36:45.the certainty has always been with me, and I confided in the word of

:36:45. > :36:49.me, and I confided in the word of me, and I confided in the word of

:36:49. > :36:51.me, and I confided in the word of God. What I heard in my heart was,

:36:51. > :36:51.God. What I heard in my heart was, God. What I heard in my heart was,

:36:51. > :36:54.God. What I heard in my heart was, God, why are you asking me to do

:36:54. > :36:55.God, why are you asking me to do God, why are you asking me to do

:36:55. > :36:56.God, why are you asking me to do this? What are you asking me to do?

:36:56. > :36:57.this? What are you asking me to do? this? What are you asking me to do?

:36:57. > :36:59.this? What are you asking me to do? You are giving me a heavy burden on

:36:59. > :36:59.You are giving me a heavy burden on You are giving me a heavy burden on

:36:59. > :37:00.You are giving me a heavy burden on my shoulders. But if you are asking

:37:00. > :37:02.my shoulders. But if you are asking my shoulders. But if you are asking

:37:02. > :37:03.my shoulders. But if you are asking me to do this, I will accept it

:37:03. > :37:10.me to do this, I will accept it me to do this, I will accept it

:37:10. > :37:20.me to do this, I will accept it because I am sure you will guide me.

:37:20. > :37:22.

:37:22. > :37:24.Eight years later, I would like to Eight years later, I would like to

:37:24. > :37:24.Eight years later, I would like to Eight years later, I would like to

:37:24. > :37:27.say that God has guided me, has say that God has guided me, has

:37:27. > :37:28.say that God has guided me, has say that God has guided me, has

:37:28. > :37:33.been close to me. I have felt his been close to me. I have felt his

:37:33. > :37:35.been close to me. I have felt his presence every day. We have had

:37:35. > :37:36.presence every day. We have had presence every day. We have had

:37:36. > :37:38.presence every day. We have had moments of joy and delight and we

:37:38. > :37:41.moments of joy and delight and we moments of joy and delight and we

:37:41. > :37:43.have had difficult moments. I felt have had difficult moments. I felt

:37:43. > :37:44.have had difficult moments. I felt have had difficult moments. I felt

:37:44. > :37:48.like St Peter in his boat on the like St Peter in his boat on the

:37:48. > :37:49.like St Peter in his boat on the like St Peter in his boat on the

:37:49. > :37:53.lake of Galilee. Our God has given lake of Galilee. Our God has given

:37:53. > :37:54.lake of Galilee. Our God has given lake of Galilee. Our God has given

:37:54. > :37:56.us a lot of sunshine and many days us a lot of sunshine and many days

:37:56. > :37:57.us a lot of sunshine and many days when fishing was very good but

:37:57. > :38:00.when fishing was very good but when fishing was very good but

:38:00. > :38:01.there were times when the waters there were times when the waters

:38:01. > :38:03.there were times when the waters were choppy. And this has happened

:38:03. > :38:04.were choppy. And this has happened were choppy. And this has happened

:38:04. > :38:05.throughout the history of the throughout the history of the

:38:05. > :38:07.throughout the history of the throughout the history of the

:38:07. > :38:09.Church. It looks as if God was Church. It looks as if God was

:38:09. > :38:11.Church. It looks as if God was sleeping. But I have always known

:38:11. > :38:13.sleeping. But I have always known sleeping. But I have always known

:38:13. > :38:14.sleeping. But I have always known that in that boat, there was always

:38:14. > :38:15.that in that boat, there was always that in that boat, there was always

:38:15. > :38:16.that in that boat, there was always God and the boat of the Church is

:38:16. > :38:18.God and the boat of the Church is God and the boat of the Church is

:38:18. > :38:23.God and the boat of the Church is God and the boat of the Church is

:38:23. > :38:33.not mine, it is not ours, but it is God's.

:38:33. > :38:41.

:38:41. > :38:42.God does not let that boat sink. God does not let that boat sink.

:38:42. > :38:45.God does not let that boat sink. God does not let that boat sink.

:38:45. > :38:47.The men he chooses his his will. The men he chooses his his will.

:38:47. > :38:48.The men he chooses his his will. This is a certainty that nothing

:38:48. > :38:50.This is a certainty that nothing This is a certainty that nothing

:38:50. > :38:51.This is a certainty that nothing can obscure and that is why today

:38:51. > :38:55.can obscure and that is why today can obscure and that is why today

:38:55. > :38:56.can obscure and that is why today can obscure and that is why today

:38:56. > :38:58.in my heart, I am full of thanks to in my heart, I am full of thanks to

:38:58. > :38:59.in my heart, I am full of thanks to in my heart, I am full of thanks to

:38:59. > :39:02.God because God has always given to God because God has always given to

:39:02. > :39:02.God because God has always given to God because God has always given to

:39:02. > :39:06.the church and to myself his light the church and to myself his light

:39:06. > :39:07.the church and to myself his light the church and to myself his light

:39:07. > :39:08.the church and to myself his light and his love. We are in the year of

:39:08. > :39:10.and his love. We are in the year of and his love. We are in the year of

:39:10. > :39:13.and his love. We are in the year of the faith and I want us to

:39:13. > :39:13.the faith and I want us to the faith and I want us to

:39:13. > :39:15.the faith and I want us to strengthen our faith in God in the

:39:15. > :39:17.strengthen our faith in God in the strengthen our faith in God in the

:39:17. > :39:19.context that seems to be placing context that seems to be placing

:39:19. > :39:21.context that seems to be placing context that seems to be placing

:39:21. > :39:23.God at a lower level. I would like God at a lower level. I would like

:39:23. > :39:24.God at a lower level. I would like everybody to renew their faith in

:39:24. > :39:28.everybody to renew their faith in everybody to renew their faith in

:39:28. > :39:30.everybody to renew their faith in God and to trust God. And to be

:39:30. > :39:31.God and to trust God. And to be God and to trust God. And to be

:39:31. > :39:33.God and to trust God. And to be sure that the arms of God will

:39:33. > :39:34.sure that the arms of God will sure that the arms of God will

:39:34. > :39:35.sure that the arms of God will always have us and support us and

:39:35. > :39:37.always have us and support us and always have us and support us and

:39:37. > :39:40.we'll always enable us to walk we'll always enable us to walk

:39:40. > :39:43.we'll always enable us to walk every day, even in difficult times.

:39:43. > :39:44.every day, even in difficult times. every day, even in difficult times.

:39:44. > :39:45.every day, even in difficult times. -- will always. I feel loved by a

:39:45. > :39:46.-- will always. I feel loved by a -- will always. I feel loved by a

:39:46. > :39:47.-- will always. I feel loved by a -- will always. I feel loved by a

:39:47. > :39:49.God who has given his son to us as God who has given his son to us as

:39:49. > :39:51.God who has given his son to us as a gift and shown his unconditional

:39:51. > :39:52.a gift and shown his unconditional a gift and shown his unconditional

:39:52. > :39:54.a gift and shown his unconditional love. I would like everyone to feel

:39:54. > :39:58.love. I would like everyone to feel love. I would like everyone to feel

:39:58. > :39:59.love. I would like everyone to feel the joy of being a Christian. When

:39:59. > :40:01.the joy of being a Christian. When the joy of being a Christian. When

:40:01. > :40:03.the joy of being a Christian. When they pray in the morning, when they

:40:03. > :40:04.they pray in the morning, when they they pray in the morning, when they

:40:04. > :40:05.they pray in the morning, when they say, God, I love you with all My

:40:05. > :40:06.say, God, I love you with all My say, God, I love you with all My

:40:06. > :40:09.say, God, I love you with all My Heart, I would like to thank you

:40:09. > :40:09.Heart, I would like to thank you Heart, I would like to thank you

:40:09. > :40:15.for having created me and having for having created me and having

:40:15. > :40:15.for having created me and having for having created me and having

:40:15. > :40:16.made me a Christian. The gift of made me a Christian. The gift of

:40:16. > :40:17.made me a Christian. The gift of made me a Christian. The gift of

:40:17. > :40:19.faith is the most precious gift we faith is the most precious gift we

:40:19. > :40:20.faith is the most precious gift we faith is the most precious gift we

:40:20. > :40:23.can have and nobody can take that a can have and nobody can take that a

:40:23. > :40:24.can have and nobody can take that a can have and nobody can take that a

:40:24. > :40:27.away from us. Let's thank God for away from us. Let's thank God for

:40:27. > :40:28.away from us. Let's thank God for away from us. Let's thank God for

:40:28. > :40:32.this with our prayers and with a this with our prayers and with a

:40:32. > :40:34.consistent Christian life. God consistent Christian life. God

:40:34. > :40:35.consistent Christian life. God consistent Christian life. God

:40:35. > :40:37.consistent Christian life. God loves us but we need to love God. I

:40:37. > :40:40.loves us but we need to love God. I loves us but we need to love God. I

:40:40. > :40:40.loves us but we need to love God. I would like to thank God right now.

:40:40. > :40:43.would like to thank God right now. would like to thank God right now.

:40:43. > :40:45.would like to thank God right now. A Pope does not only died Peter's

:40:45. > :40:47.A Pope does not only died Peter's A Pope does not only died Peter's

:40:47. > :40:57.boat, even though his first boat, even though his first

:40:57. > :40:59.

:40:59. > :41:01.boat, even though his first responsibility is this. -- guide.

:41:01. > :41:08.responsibility is this. -- guide. responsibility is this. -- guide.

:41:08. > :41:09.I've never felt alone in bringing I've never felt alone in bringing

:41:09. > :41:11.I've never felt alone in bringing I've never felt alone in bringing

:41:11. > :41:13.joy and carrying the weight of the joy and carrying the weight of the

:41:13. > :41:14.joy and carrying the weight of the papacy. God has shown me many

:41:14. > :41:16.papacy. God has shown me many papacy. God has shown me many

:41:16. > :41:17.people who have shown love and people who have shown love and

:41:17. > :41:18.people who have shown love and generosity towards the church and

:41:18. > :41:19.generosity towards the church and generosity towards the church and

:41:19. > :41:21.generosity towards the church and to have helped me and been very

:41:21. > :41:23.to have helped me and been very to have helped me and been very

:41:23. > :41:25.supportive. First of all, the supportive. First of all, the

:41:25. > :41:26.supportive. First of all, the cardinal's here, your advice, your

:41:26. > :41:27.cardinal's here, your advice, your cardinal's here, your advice, your

:41:27. > :41:30.wisdom, your friendship have been wisdom, your friendship have been

:41:30. > :41:31.wisdom, your friendship have been wisdom, your friendship have been

:41:31. > :41:32.so pressures for me. My aides, from so pressures for me. My aides, from

:41:32. > :41:36.so pressures for me. My aides, from so pressures for me. My aides, from

:41:36. > :41:42.my Secretary of State, who has been my Secretary of State, who has been

:41:42. > :41:43.my Secretary of State, who has been a faithful aide for me, and

:41:43. > :41:47.a faithful aide for me, and a faithful aide for me, and

:41:47. > :41:50.everybody who, in the various everybody who, in the various

:41:50. > :41:52.everybody who, in the various departments and sectors, worked for

:41:52. > :41:54.departments and sectors, worked for departments and sectors, worked for

:41:54. > :41:57.departments and sectors, worked for the Holy See. There are so many

:41:57. > :42:00.the Holy See. There are so many the Holy See. There are so many

:42:00. > :42:02.people. It is their silence, their people. It is their silence, their

:42:02. > :42:06.people. It is their silence, their faith, their humility that have

:42:06. > :42:07.faith, their humility that have faith, their humility that have

:42:07. > :42:09.supported me reliably. I would like supported me reliably. I would like

:42:09. > :42:19.supported me reliably. I would like supported me reliably. I would like

:42:19. > :42:27.

:42:27. > :42:30.to thank the Church of Rome, my I cannot possibly forget the

:42:30. > :42:30.I cannot possibly forget the I cannot possibly forget the

:42:31. > :42:33.brothers and sisters, the entire brothers and sisters, the entire

:42:33. > :42:34.brothers and sisters, the entire brothers and sisters, the entire

:42:34. > :42:36.people of God, during my visits and people of God, during my visits and

:42:36. > :42:38.people of God, during my visits and people of God, during my visits and

:42:38. > :42:40.my audiences and my trips. I have my audiences and my trips. I have

:42:40. > :42:43.my audiences and my trips. I have always perceived a lot of affection

:42:43. > :42:44.always perceived a lot of affection always perceived a lot of affection

:42:44. > :42:50.always perceived a lot of affection and I have always loved every one

:42:50. > :42:51.and I have always loved every one without making any distinction.

:42:51. > :42:52.without making any distinction. without making any distinction.

:42:52. > :42:59.With that charity that every With that charity that every

:42:59. > :43:02.With that charity that every shepherd needs to have. Every day,

:43:02. > :43:12.shepherd needs to have. Every day, shepherd needs to have. Every day,

:43:12. > :43:13.

:43:13. > :43:15.shepherd needs to have. Every day, I have prayed for you with my heart.

:43:15. > :43:18.I have prayed for you with my heart. I have prayed for you with my heart.

:43:18. > :43:20.I have prayed for you with my heart. I'd give my farewell and my thanks.

:43:20. > :43:20.I'd give my farewell and my thanks. I'd give my farewell and my thanks.

:43:20. > :43:22.I'd give my farewell and my thanks. My heart is open to the entire

:43:22. > :43:23.My heart is open to the entire My heart is open to the entire

:43:24. > :43:25.My heart is open to the entire world. I would like to express my

:43:25. > :43:25.world. I would like to express my world. I would like to express my

:43:25. > :43:30.gratitude to the diplomatic corps gratitude to the diplomatic corps

:43:30. > :43:31.gratitude to the diplomatic corps here at the Vatican. They represent

:43:31. > :43:36.here at the Vatican. They represent here at the Vatican. They represent

:43:36. > :43:37.here at the Vatican. They represent all the nations and I would like to

:43:37. > :43:38.all the nations and I would like to all the nations and I would like to

:43:38. > :43:40.all the nations and I would like to thank all those who work for the

:43:40. > :43:41.thank all those who work for the thank all those who work for the

:43:41. > :43:42.communication. I would like to communication. I would like to

:43:42. > :43:43.communication. I would like to communication. I would like to

:43:43. > :43:45.thank them for their services and I thank them for their services and I

:43:45. > :43:46.thank them for their services and I thank them for their services and I

:43:46. > :43:47.would also like to thank all the would also like to thank all the

:43:47. > :43:52.would also like to thank all the people throughout the world who,

:43:52. > :43:53.people throughout the world who, people throughout the world who,

:43:53. > :43:54.people throughout the world who, over the last few weeks, have sent

:43:54. > :43:57.over the last few weeks, have sent over the last few weeks, have sent

:43:57. > :43:59.me their prayers and their me their prayers and their

:44:00. > :44:01.me their prayers and their friendship. The Pope is never alone.

:44:01. > :44:02.friendship. The Pope is never alone. friendship. The Pope is never alone.

:44:02. > :44:03.friendship. The Pope is never alone. And I am trying this once again and

:44:03. > :44:13.And I am trying this once again and And I am trying this once again and

:44:13. > :44:25.

:44:25. > :44:26.The Pope belongs to people, and The Pope belongs to people, and

:44:26. > :44:28.The Pope belongs to people, and The Pope belongs to people, and

:44:28. > :44:29.many people feel close to him. It many people feel close to him. It

:44:29. > :44:30.many people feel close to him. It many people feel close to him. It

:44:30. > :44:32.is true that I have made the is true that I have made the

:44:32. > :44:34.is true that I have made the leaders of the world, political and

:44:34. > :44:34.leaders of the world, political and leaders of the world, political and

:44:34. > :44:38.cultural leaders, I have also cultural leaders, I have also

:44:38. > :44:40.cultural leaders, I have also received letters from people who

:44:40. > :44:44.received letters from people who received letters from people who

:44:44. > :44:50.just wanted to express their just wanted to express their

:44:50. > :44:51.just wanted to express their affection and their love. These

:44:51. > :44:52.affection and their love. These affection and their love. These

:44:52. > :44:55.affection and their love. These affection and their love. These

:44:55. > :44:56.people do not write to me as if I people do not write to me as if I

:44:56. > :44:57.people do not write to me as if I people do not write to me as if I

:44:57. > :44:58.was someone they do not know, they was someone they do not know, they

:44:58. > :44:59.was someone they do not know, they was someone they do not know, they

:44:59. > :45:00.write to me as if they were my write to me as if they were my

:45:00. > :45:01.write to me as if they were my brothers and sisters and children.

:45:01. > :45:05.brothers and sisters and children. brothers and sisters and children.

:45:05. > :45:09.As I said, they are very As I said, they are very

:45:09. > :45:09.As I said, they are very affectionate, and I can feel that

:45:09. > :45:14.affectionate, and I can feel that affectionate, and I can feel that

:45:14. > :45:15.the Church is not just an the Church is not just an

:45:16. > :45:17.organisation, an association for organisation, an association for

:45:17. > :45:26.humanitarian purposes, but as humanitarian purposes, but as

:45:26. > :45:28.Age group of brothers and sisters Age group of brothers and sisters

:45:28. > :45:28.Age group of brothers and sisters Age group of brothers and sisters

:45:28. > :45:31.in the body of Christ that brings in the body of Christ that brings

:45:31. > :45:32.in the body of Christ that brings us all together. -- A group.

:45:32. > :45:34.us all together. -- A group. us all together. -- A group.

:45:34. > :45:35.Perceiving the church like this Perceiving the church like this

:45:35. > :45:37.Perceiving the church like this means almost touching the power of

:45:37. > :45:38.means almost touching the power of means almost touching the power of

:45:38. > :45:39.means almost touching the power of his truth and love, and it is a

:45:39. > :45:44.his truth and love, and it is a his truth and love, and it is a

:45:44. > :45:48.source of joy when everybody talks source of joy when everybody talks

:45:48. > :45:48.source of joy when everybody talks source of joy when everybody talks

:45:49. > :45:57.about its decline, but we can see about its decline, but we can see

:45:58. > :46:02.about its decline, but we can see Up over the last few months, I have

:46:02. > :46:02.Up over the last few months, I have Up over the last few months, I have

:46:02. > :46:07.felt my strength diminishing, and felt my strength diminishing, and

:46:07. > :46:08.felt my strength diminishing, and felt my strength diminishing, and

:46:08. > :46:09.that last God, in my prayers, to that last God, in my prayers, to

:46:09. > :46:10.that last God, in my prayers, to that last God, in my prayers, to

:46:10. > :46:11.that last God, in my prayers, to end like to me to give me his life

:46:11. > :46:12.end like to me to give me his life end like to me to give me his life

:46:12. > :46:13.end like to me to give me his life so that I could make the best

:46:13. > :46:15.so that I could make the best so that I could make the best

:46:15. > :46:16.so that I could make the best decision, not for my own good, but

:46:16. > :46:18.decision, not for my own good, but decision, not for my own good, but

:46:18. > :46:21.decision, not for my own good, but for the good of the church. -- and

:46:21. > :46:24.for the good of the church. -- and for the good of the church. -- and

:46:24. > :46:25.for the good of the church. -- and I asked God. I have taken this

:46:25. > :46:32.I asked God. I have taken this I asked God. I have taken this

:46:32. > :46:33.action being fully aware of its action being fully aware of its

:46:33. > :46:35.action being fully aware of its seriousness, but with a lot of

:46:35. > :46:36.seriousness, but with a lot of seriousness, but with a lot of

:46:36. > :46:37.peace in mind. Loving the church peace in mind. Loving the church

:46:37. > :46:47.peace in mind. Loving the church means being brave enough to make

:46:47. > :46:53.

:46:53. > :46:55.And thinking about the good of the And thinking about the good of the

:46:55. > :46:56.And thinking about the good of the church, first of all. Now, once

:46:56. > :47:00.church, first of all. Now, once church, first of all. Now, once

:47:00. > :47:02.church, first of all. Now, once again, I would like to go back to

:47:02. > :47:03.again, I would like to go back to again, I would like to go back to

:47:03. > :47:04.19th April 2005. The seriousness of 19th April 2005. The seriousness of

:47:04. > :47:05.19th April 2005. The seriousness of 19th April 2005. The seriousness of

:47:05. > :47:07.the decision was also due to the the decision was also due to the

:47:07. > :47:11.the decision was also due to the the decision was also due to the

:47:11. > :47:16.fact that from that day onwards, I fact that from that day onwards, I

:47:16. > :47:18.fact that from that day onwards, I was always committed to God. When

:47:18. > :47:20.was always committed to God. When was always committed to God. When

:47:20. > :47:21.was always committed to God. When one becomes Pope, one does not have

:47:21. > :47:22.one becomes Pope, one does not have one becomes Pope, one does not have

:47:22. > :47:29.privacy any more, because one privacy any more, because one

:47:29. > :47:30.privacy any more, because one belongs to everybody, to the church.

:47:30. > :47:31.belongs to everybody, to the church. belongs to everybody, to the church.

:47:32. > :47:35.belongs to everybody, to the church. There is no privacy, as I said, in

:47:35. > :47:38.There is no privacy, as I said, in There is no privacy, as I said, in

:47:38. > :47:39.There is no privacy, as I said, in a Pope's life, and I have seen

:47:39. > :47:44.a Pope's life, and I have seen a Pope's life, and I have seen

:47:44. > :47:46.a Pope's life, and I have seen today that when one gives it up,

:47:46. > :47:47.today that when one gives it up, today that when one gives it up,

:47:47. > :47:50.people whom love God love the people whom love God love the

:47:50. > :47:51.people whom love God love the successors of St Peter. The Pope

:47:51. > :47:52.successors of St Peter. The Pope successors of St Peter. The Pope

:47:52. > :47:53.has brothers and sisters and has brothers and sisters and

:47:53. > :47:57.has brothers and sisters and children throughout the world and

:47:57. > :47:58.children throughout the world and children throughout the world and

:47:58. > :47:59.children throughout the world and feels safe in the hugs of all these

:47:59. > :48:01.feels safe in the hugs of all these feels safe in the hugs of all these

:48:01. > :48:06.people, because he does not belong people, because he does not belong

:48:06. > :48:08.people, because he does not belong people, because he does not belong

:48:08. > :48:12.to insult any more. -- to himself to insult any more. -- to himself

:48:12. > :48:12.to insult any more. -- to himself any more. He belongs to everybody,

:48:12. > :48:17.any more. He belongs to everybody, any more. He belongs to everybody,

:48:17. > :48:21.and everybody belongs to him. And and everybody belongs to him. And

:48:21. > :48:23.and everybody belongs to him. And and everybody belongs to him. And

:48:23. > :48:24.this is forever. There is no going this is forever. There is no going

:48:24. > :48:25.this is forever. There is no going this is forever. There is no going

:48:25. > :48:29.back, no going back to private life. back, no going back to private life.

:48:29. > :48:29.back, no going back to private life. My decision to resign does not

:48:29. > :48:31.My decision to resign does not My decision to resign does not

:48:31. > :48:32.My decision to resign does not change this state of affairs. I am

:48:32. > :48:35.change this state of affairs. I am change this state of affairs. I am

:48:35. > :48:37.change this state of affairs. I am not going back to my private life,

:48:37. > :48:39.not going back to my private life, not going back to my private life,

:48:39. > :48:43.to a life of meetings and to a life of meetings and

:48:43. > :48:44.conferences etcetera. I'm not conferences etcetera. I'm not

:48:44. > :48:45.conferences etcetera. I'm not abandoning the Cross, I am still

:48:45. > :48:55.abandoning the Cross, I am still abandoning the Cross, I am still

:48:55. > :49:02.

:49:02. > :49:05.abandoning the Cross, I am still I am no longer the Pope, but

:49:05. > :49:06.I am no longer the Pope, but I am no longer the Pope, but

:49:06. > :49:09.I am no longer the Pope, but through my prayers I am still in

:49:09. > :49:11.through my prayers I am still in through my prayers I am still in

:49:11. > :49:13.through my prayers I am still in the heart of St Peter. St Benedict

:49:13. > :49:15.the heart of St Peter. St Benedict the heart of St Peter. St Benedict

:49:15. > :49:19.the heart of St Peter. St Benedict will always be my guide. He has

:49:19. > :49:20.will always be my guide. He has will always be my guide. He has

:49:20. > :49:22.will always be my guide. He has always shown me the path of life

:49:22. > :49:22.always shown me the path of life always shown me the path of life

:49:22. > :49:25.always shown me the path of life that belongs to the work of God. I

:49:25. > :49:27.that belongs to the work of God. I that belongs to the work of God. I

:49:27. > :49:28.would like to thank everyone, would like to thank everyone,

:49:28. > :49:30.would like to thank everyone, because of the way you have

:49:30. > :49:32.because of the way you have understood and appreciated my

:49:32. > :49:34.understood and appreciated my understood and appreciated my

:49:34. > :49:36.decision. I will carry on being decision. I will carry on being

:49:36. > :49:37.decision. I will carry on being next to the church through prayers

:49:37. > :49:42.next to the church through prayers next to the church through prayers

:49:42. > :49:43.and reflection. And I will be and reflection. And I will be

:49:43. > :49:44.and reflection. And I will be and reflection. And I will be

:49:44. > :49:45.devoted to the Lord, and I will devoted to the Lord, and I will

:49:45. > :49:48.devoted to the Lord, and I will devoted to the Lord, and I will

:49:49. > :49:50.carry on living as I have always carry on living as I have always

:49:50. > :49:52.carry on living as I have always carry on living as I have always

:49:52. > :49:54.done, and I would like to be done, and I would like to be

:49:54. > :50:04.done, and I would like to be remembered, and I would like to

:50:04. > :50:08.

:50:08. > :50:11.remembered, and I would like to To pray for the Cardinals who carry

:50:11. > :50:12.To pray for the Cardinals who carry To pray for the Cardinals who carry

:50:12. > :50:13.such momentous tasks, and to pray such momentous tasks, and to pray

:50:13. > :50:19.such momentous tasks, and to pray for their next successor to the

:50:19. > :50:20.for their next successor to the for their next successor to the

:50:20. > :50:20.for their next successor to the papacy. Mate God guide him with the

:50:20. > :50:22.papacy. Mate God guide him with the papacy. Mate God guide him with the

:50:22. > :50:23.papacy. Mate God guide him with the strength and light of his spirit. I

:50:24. > :50:25.strength and light of his spirit. I strength and light of his spirit. I

:50:25. > :50:26.strength and light of his spirit. I would like to ask the Virgin Mary

:50:26. > :50:28.would like to ask the Virgin Mary would like to ask the Virgin Mary

:50:28. > :50:33.would like to ask the Virgin Mary to intercede and to be with us and

:50:33. > :50:37.to intercede and to be with us and to intercede and to be with us and

:50:37. > :50:38.the entire community. We trust the entire community. We trust

:50:38. > :50:41.the entire community. We trust hopefully. Dear friends, God guides

:50:41. > :50:47.hopefully. Dear friends, God guides hopefully. Dear friends, God guides

:50:47. > :50:48.his church even in difficult times. his church even in difficult times.

:50:48. > :50:50.his church even in difficult times. his church even in difficult times.

:50:50. > :50:52.Let's not lose our vision of faith, Let's not lose our vision of faith,

:50:52. > :50:53.Let's not lose our vision of faith, Let's not lose our vision of faith,

:50:53. > :50:55.which is the only path of the which is the only path of the

:50:55. > :50:56.which is the only path of the which is the only path of the

:50:56. > :50:57.Church and the world. In our hearts, Church and the world. In our hearts,

:50:57. > :50:59.Church and the world. In our hearts, Church and the world. In our hearts,

:50:59. > :51:01.I hope that there is always going I hope that there is always going

:51:01. > :51:02.I hope that there is always going I hope that there is always going

:51:02. > :51:03.to be the joyous certainty that God to be the joyous certainty that God

:51:03. > :51:06.to be the joyous certainty that God to be the joyous certainty that God

:51:06. > :51:08.is next to us and does not abandon is next to us and does not abandon

:51:08. > :51:09.is next to us and does not abandon is next to us and does not abandon

:51:09. > :51:19.us, and he embraces us with his us, and he embraces us with his

:51:19. > :51:24.

:51:24. > :51:26.JON SOPEL and applause rings out JON SOPEL and applause rings out

:51:26. > :51:28.JON SOPEL and applause rings out across St Peter's Square, filling

:51:28. > :51:31.across St Peter's Square, filling across St Peter's Square, filling

:51:31. > :51:32.it with the sound, and Pope it with the sound, and Pope

:51:32. > :51:38.it with the sound, and Pope Benedict waves as he possibly makes

:51:38. > :51:41.Benedict waves as he possibly makes Benedict waves as he possibly makes

:51:41. > :51:43.his final public utterance as Pope his final public utterance as Pope

:51:43. > :51:45.his final public utterance as Pope Benedict XVI. And hundreds of

:51:45. > :51:46.Benedict XVI. And hundreds of Benedict XVI. And hundreds of

:51:46. > :51:49.thousands, the Cardinals rise to thousands, the Cardinals rise to

:51:49. > :51:52.thousands, the Cardinals rise to give a standing ovation on this

:51:52. > :51:54.give a standing ovation on this extraordinary and exceptional and

:51:54. > :51:56.extraordinary and exceptional and extraordinary and exceptional and

:51:56. > :51:57.unique event, something that the unique event, something that the

:51:57. > :51:58.unique event, something that the Pope himself referred to as well,

:51:58. > :52:00.Pope himself referred to as well, Pope himself referred to as well,

:52:00. > :52:01.Pope himself referred to as well, when he said that he took his

:52:01. > :52:05.when he said that he took his when he said that he took his

:52:05. > :52:09.decision in full knowledge of its decision in full knowledge of its

:52:09. > :52:10.decision in full knowledge of its gravity and its novelty as well.

:52:10. > :52:12.gravity and its novelty as well. gravity and its novelty as well.

:52:12. > :52:15.With me here in our position With me here in our position

:52:15. > :52:16.overlooking the square, overlooking overlooking the square, overlooking

:52:16. > :52:18.overlooking the square, overlooking the basilica, fill up a kitchen

:52:18. > :52:20.the basilica, fill up a kitchen the basilica, fill up a kitchen

:52:20. > :52:22.from Vatican Radio, and David from Vatican Radio, and David

:52:22. > :52:23.Willey, our long-standing Vatican Willey, our long-standing Vatican

:52:23. > :52:24.Willey, our long-standing Vatican correspondent. David Willey, for a

:52:24. > :52:25.correspondent. David Willey, for a correspondent. David Willey, for a

:52:25. > :52:27.correspondent. David Willey, for a man who is not much given to making

:52:27. > :52:30.man who is not much given to making man who is not much given to making

:52:30. > :52:31.personal statements, this was very personal statements, this was very

:52:31. > :52:34.personal statements, this was very personal. It was indeed. The tone

:52:34. > :52:35.personal. It was indeed. The tone personal. It was indeed. The tone

:52:35. > :52:37.personal. It was indeed. The tone of his speech at his final general

:52:37. > :52:37.of his speech at his final general of his speech at his final general

:52:37. > :52:40.audience was not characteristic of audience was not characteristic of

:52:40. > :52:42.audience was not characteristic of audience was not characteristic of

:52:42. > :52:44.him at all. It is normally a homily him at all. It is normally a homily

:52:44. > :52:45.him at all. It is normally a homily devoted to religious teaching. This

:52:45. > :52:47.devoted to religious teaching. This devoted to religious teaching. This

:52:47. > :52:49.morning, we saw the real Joseph morning, we saw the real Joseph

:52:49. > :52:50.morning, we saw the real Joseph Ratzinger. He was very frank, I

:52:50. > :52:52.Ratzinger. He was very frank, I Ratzinger. He was very frank, I

:52:53. > :52:55.thought, about the problems he has thought, about the problems he has

:52:55. > :52:56.had during his eight-year had during his eight-year

:52:56. > :52:57.pontificate. Let me just pontificate. Let me just

:52:57. > :52:59.pontificate. Let me just interrupted to say that there are

:52:59. > :53:00.interrupted to say that there are interrupted to say that there are

:53:00. > :53:01.huge cheers ringing out across St huge cheers ringing out across St

:53:01. > :53:02.huge cheers ringing out across St Peter's Square, the applause has

:53:02. > :53:04.Peter's Square, the applause has Peter's Square, the applause has

:53:04. > :53:05.been replaced by cheers. I thought been replaced by cheers. I thought

:53:05. > :53:05.been replaced by cheers. I thought been replaced by cheers. I thought

:53:05. > :53:07.people might not be picking that up people might not be picking that up

:53:07. > :53:09.people might not be picking that up on the microphone. Here you have

:53:09. > :53:11.on the microphone. Here you have on the microphone. Here you have

:53:11. > :53:11.got the Bishop of Rome being got the Bishop of Rome being

:53:11. > :53:13.got the Bishop of Rome being greeted and applauded by the people

:53:13. > :53:14.greeted and applauded by the people greeted and applauded by the people

:53:14. > :53:15.greeted and applauded by the people of Rome. Do not forget, he is the

:53:15. > :53:16.of Rome. Do not forget, he is the of Rome. Do not forget, he is the

:53:16. > :53:17.of Rome. Do not forget, he is the head of the church, but also the

:53:17. > :53:18.head of the church, but also the head of the church, but also the

:53:18. > :53:20.head of the church, but also the local bishop, and there is always a

:53:20. > :53:21.local bishop, and there is always a local bishop, and there is always a

:53:21. > :53:22.great sense of affection between great sense of affection between

:53:22. > :53:23.great sense of affection between great sense of affection between

:53:23. > :53:24.the people live in Rome and their the people live in Rome and their

:53:24. > :53:26.the people live in Rome and their the people live in Rome and their

:53:26. > :53:27.pope. To come back to what he was pope. To come back to what he was

:53:27. > :53:29.pope. To come back to what he was actually saying, I thought it was

:53:29. > :53:30.actually saying, I thought it was actually saying, I thought it was

:53:30. > :53:31.actually saying, I thought it was very frank, and he admitted that he

:53:31. > :53:33.very frank, and he admitted that he very frank, and he admitted that he

:53:33. > :53:35.very frank, and he admitted that he had had a very heavy burden on his

:53:35. > :53:36.had had a very heavy burden on his had had a very heavy burden on his

:53:36. > :53:39.shoulders and that at times he shoulders and that at times he

:53:39. > :53:39.shoulders and that at times he shoulders and that at times he

:53:39. > :53:40.found, as he put it, sailing in the found, as he put it, sailing in the

:53:40. > :53:43.found, as he put it, sailing in the found, as he put it, sailing in the

:53:43. > :53:44.park of St Peter, he had met some park of St Peter, he had met some

:53:44. > :53:46.park of St Peter, he had met some stormy weather. -- buck. But he

:53:46. > :53:48.stormy weather. -- buck. But he stormy weather. -- buck. But he

:53:48. > :53:49.said, basically, the Lord is always said, basically, the Lord is always

:53:49. > :53:50.said, basically, the Lord is always said, basically, the Lord is always

:53:50. > :53:50.with us, so we had confidence that with us, so we had confidence that

:53:50. > :53:54.with us, so we had confidence that the Church would survive these

:53:54. > :53:54.the Church would survive these the Church would survive these

:53:54. > :53:55.the Church would survive these storms. Let me just to explain what

:53:55. > :53:57.storms. Let me just to explain what storms. Let me just to explain what

:53:57. > :53:58.is happening now. We are getting is happening now. We are getting

:53:58. > :54:00.is happening now. We are getting is happening now. We are getting

:54:01. > :54:01.the prayer, a little section of the the prayer, a little section of the

:54:01. > :54:02.the prayer, a little section of the catechesis in French, and then we

:54:02. > :54:03.catechesis in French, and then we catechesis in French, and then we

:54:03. > :54:05.catechesis in French, and then we will have it in English, and we

:54:05. > :54:06.will have it in English, and we will have it in English, and we

:54:06. > :54:07.will take that section live, that will take that section live, that

:54:07. > :54:09.will take that section live, that will take that section live, that

:54:09. > :54:11.should be coming up after we get should be coming up after we get

:54:11. > :54:13.should be coming up after we get that address. Do you agree with

:54:13. > :54:14.that address. Do you agree with that address. Do you agree with

:54:14. > :54:15.that analysis? It was certainly a that analysis? It was certainly a

:54:15. > :54:16.that analysis? It was certainly a very personal reflection of the

:54:16. > :54:17.very personal reflection of the difficulties, the highlights and

:54:17. > :54:19.difficulties, the highlights and difficulties, the highlights and

:54:19. > :54:20.difficulties, the highlights and low lights of the past eight years

:54:20. > :54:22.low lights of the past eight years low lights of the past eight years

:54:22. > :54:23.of the pontificate, but as it of the pontificate, but as it

:54:23. > :54:24.of the pontificate, but as it of the pontificate, but as it

:54:24. > :54:25.always is, it was a very spiritual always is, it was a very spiritual

:54:25. > :54:26.always is, it was a very spiritual reflection. He talks about the way

:54:26. > :54:28.reflection. He talks about the way reflection. He talks about the way

:54:28. > :54:29.reflection. He talks about the way that the Church is in the hands of

:54:29. > :54:30.that the Church is in the hands of that the Church is in the hands of

:54:30. > :54:32.God, and therefore despite the most God, and therefore despite the most

:54:32. > :54:34.God, and therefore despite the most difficult moments, he always knew

:54:34. > :54:35.difficult moments, he always knew difficult moments, he always knew

:54:35. > :54:38.difficult moments, he always knew that it was... Who was guiding the

:54:38. > :54:39.that it was... Who was guiding the that it was... Who was guiding the

:54:39. > :54:40.that it was... Who was guiding the church. -- Broad. I think we should

:54:40. > :54:43.church. -- Broad. I think we should church. -- Broad. I think we should

:54:43. > :54:44.church. -- Broad. I think we should be getting at prayer in English now.

:54:44. > :54:54.be getting at prayer in English now. be getting at prayer in English now.

:54:54. > :54:54.

:54:54. > :55:55.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 52 seconds

:55:55. > :55:56.He knew perfectly well, we learnt He knew perfectly well, we learnt

:55:56. > :55:57.He knew perfectly well, we learnt with hindsight that he had a

:55:57. > :55:58.with hindsight that he had a with hindsight that he had a

:55:58. > :56:00.pacemaker fitted, and he knew quite pacemaker fitted, and he knew quite

:56:00. > :56:01.pacemaker fitted, and he knew quite well of his limited strength and

:56:01. > :56:03.well of his limited strength and well of his limited strength and

:56:03. > :56:04.physical abilities to carry out physical abilities to carry out

:56:04. > :56:05.physical abilities to carry out physical abilities to carry out

:56:05. > :56:07.this task. As he has just told us, this task. As he has just told us,

:56:07. > :56:08.this task. As he has just told us, loving the church means having the

:56:08. > :56:10.loving the church means having the loving the church means having the

:56:10. > :56:11.courage to make difficult decisions. courage to make difficult decisions.

:56:11. > :56:11.courage to make difficult decisions. courage to make difficult decisions.

:56:11. > :56:12.Taking on that point of the Good Taking on that point of the Good

:56:12. > :56:13.Taking on that point of the Good Taking on that point of the Good

:56:13. > :56:17.was one of the most difficult he was one of the most difficult he

:56:17. > :56:18.was one of the most difficult he was one of the most difficult he

:56:19. > :56:20.made in his life. -- taking on the made in his life. -- taking on the

:56:20. > :56:21.made in his life. -- taking on the pontificate. He will speak in

:56:21. > :56:23.pontificate. He will speak in pontificate. He will speak in

:56:23. > :56:24.English next, there is a running English next, there is a running

:56:24. > :56:24.English next, there is a running English next, there is a running

:56:24. > :56:27.order for the languages in which he order for the languages in which he

:56:27. > :56:28.order for the languages in which he will deliver part of his catechesis.

:56:28. > :56:29.will deliver part of his catechesis. will deliver part of his catechesis.

:56:29. > :56:30.will deliver part of his catechesis. He will next speak in English, and

:56:31. > :56:33.He will next speak in English, and He will next speak in English, and

:56:33. > :56:35.we will bring that to you. we will bring that to you.

:56:35. > :56:36.we will bring that to you. Appropriately enough, a French flag

:56:36. > :56:38.Appropriately enough, a French flag Appropriately enough, a French flag

:56:39. > :56:40.being waved there in the crowd. being waved there in the crowd.

:56:40. > :56:42.being waved there in the crowd. Some 200,000 people gathered here

:56:42. > :56:46.Some 200,000 people gathered here Some 200,000 people gathered here

:56:46. > :56:47.in St Peter's Square, maybe more, in St Peter's Square, maybe more,

:56:47. > :56:49.in St Peter's Square, maybe more, who knows? David, coming back to

:56:49. > :56:49.who knows? David, coming back to who knows? David, coming back to

:56:49. > :56:51.that very personal address, I that very personal address, I

:56:51. > :56:53.that very personal address, I wonder how difficult that was for

:56:53. > :56:54.wonder how difficult that was for wonder how difficult that was for

:56:54. > :56:55.wonder how difficult that was for him to make, because it is like...

:56:55. > :56:56.him to make, because it is like... him to make, because it is like...

:56:56. > :56:57.him to make, because it is like... I will come back to this question,

:56:57. > :57:05.I will come back to this question, I will come back to this question,

:57:05. > :57:06.Most Holy Father, the English- Most Holy Father, the English-

:57:06. > :57:08.speaking visitors present today speaking visitors present today

:57:08. > :57:08.speaking visitors present today wish to express to you their

:57:08. > :57:12.wish to express to you their wish to express to you their

:57:12. > :57:14.sentiments of affection and esteem. sentiments of affection and esteem.

:57:14. > :57:16.sentiments of affection and esteem. We assure you of our gratitude,

:57:16. > :57:16.We assure you of our gratitude, We assure you of our gratitude,

:57:16. > :57:18.especially for the wise teaching especially for the wise teaching

:57:18. > :57:19.especially for the wise teaching and guidance which you have offered

:57:19. > :57:22.and guidance which you have offered and guidance which you have offered

:57:22. > :57:23.and guidance which you have offered us during the last eight years. Our

:57:23. > :57:25.us during the last eight years. Our us during the last eight years. Our

:57:25. > :57:25.spiritual closeness to you is spiritual closeness to you is

:57:25. > :57:27.spiritual closeness to you is accompanied by earnest prayers for

:57:27. > :57:29.accompanied by earnest prayers for accompanied by earnest prayers for

:57:29. > :57:34.you personally and for your you personally and for your

:57:34. > :57:35.you personally and for your intentions. Thank you, Holy Father.

:57:35. > :57:38.intentions. Thank you, Holy Father. intentions. Thank you, Holy Father.

:57:38. > :57:39.His holiness will lead has been His holiness will lead has been

:57:39. > :57:41.His holiness will lead has been singing the Our Father in Glatton.

:57:41. > :57:44.singing the Our Father in Glatton. singing the Our Father in Glatton.

:57:44. > :57:45.He will then impart his Apostolic He will then impart his Apostolic

:57:45. > :57:47.He will then impart his Apostolic blessing... The he will then impart

:57:47. > :57:48.blessing... The he will then impart blessing... The he will then impart

:57:48. > :57:50.his Apostolic blessing, which he his Apostolic blessing, which he

:57:50. > :57:51.his Apostolic blessing, which he willingly extends to the members of

:57:51. > :57:52.willingly extends to the members of willingly extends to the members of

:57:52. > :57:54.your families at home. His holiness your families at home. His holiness

:57:54. > :57:55.your families at home. His holiness also intends to bless any religious

:57:55. > :57:57.also intends to bless any religious also intends to bless any religious

:57:57. > :57:58.articles you may have brought for articles you may have brought for

:57:58. > :57:59.articles you may have brought for articles you may have brought for

:57:59. > :58:00.this purpose, and in a special way, this purpose, and in a special way,

:58:00. > :58:01.this purpose, and in a special way, his blessing goes to your children

:58:01. > :58:11.his blessing goes to your children his blessing goes to your children

:58:11. > :58:16.

:58:16. > :58:18.his blessing goes to your children Dear brothers and sisters, I offer

:58:18. > :58:19.Dear brothers and sisters, I offer Dear brothers and sisters, I offer

:58:19. > :58:20.warm and affectionate greeting to warm and affectionate greeting to

:58:20. > :58:21.warm and affectionate greeting to the English speaking pilgrims and

:58:21. > :58:22.the English speaking pilgrims and the English speaking pilgrims and

:58:22. > :58:24.visitors who have joined me for visitors who have joined me for

:58:24. > :58:26.visitors who have joined me for this, my last general audience.

:58:26. > :58:29.this, my last general audience. this, my last general audience.

:58:29. > :58:29.this, my last general audience. Like St Paul, whose words we heard

:58:29. > :58:33.Like St Paul, whose words we heard Like St Paul, whose words we heard

:58:34. > :58:35.earlier, my heart is full of earlier, my heart is full of

:58:35. > :58:36.earlier, my heart is full of earlier, my heart is full of

:58:36. > :58:37.Thanksgiving to got -- God. I wish Thanksgiving to got -- God. I wish

:58:37. > :58:38.Thanksgiving to got -- God. I wish Thanksgiving to got -- God. I wish

:58:38. > :58:40.all of you is George and gratitude. all of you is George and gratitude.

:58:40. > :58:41.all of you is George and gratitude. all of you is George and gratitude.

:58:41. > :58:43.During this year of faith, we have During this year of faith, we have

:58:43. > :58:47.During this year of faith, we have been called to renew our joyful

:58:47. > :58:49.been called to renew our joyful been called to renew our joyful

:58:49. > :58:51.been called to renew our joyful trust in the Lords. I am personally

:58:51. > :58:53.trust in the Lords. I am personally trust in the Lords. I am personally

:58:53. > :58:54.grateful for his unfailing love and grateful for his unfailing love and

:58:54. > :58:54.grateful for his unfailing love and guidance through the eight years

:58:54. > :58:55.guidance through the eight years guidance through the eight years

:58:55. > :58:56.guidance through the eight years since I accepted his call to serve

:58:56. > :58:57.since I accepted his call to serve since I accepted his call to serve

:58:57. > :59:00.since I accepted his call to serve as the successor of Peter. I am

:59:00. > :59:01.as the successor of Peter. I am as the successor of Peter. I am

:59:01. > :59:01.also deeply grateful for his also deeply grateful for his

:59:01. > :59:04.understanding, support and prayers understanding, support and prayers

:59:04. > :59:05.understanding, support and prayers understanding, support and prayers

:59:05. > :59:08.are so many of you, not only in are so many of you, not only in

:59:08. > :59:09.are so many of you, not only in are so many of you, not only in

:59:09. > :59:12.Rome but in the world. The decision Rome but in the world. The decision

:59:12. > :59:13.Rome but in the world. The decision Rome but in the world. The decision

:59:13. > :59:16.and have made after much prayer is and have made after much prayer is

:59:16. > :59:16.and have made after much prayer is and have made after much prayer is

:59:16. > :59:17.to trust in God's world, the deep to trust in God's world, the deep

:59:18. > :59:19.to trust in God's world, the deep love of Christ's Church. I will

:59:19. > :59:20.love of Christ's Church. I will love of Christ's Church. I will

:59:20. > :59:21.continue to accompany the Church in continue to accompany the Church in

:59:21. > :59:23.continue to accompany the Church in continue to accompany the Church in

:59:23. > :59:24.my prayers and asked each of you to my prayers and asked each of you to

:59:24. > :59:32.my prayers and asked each of you to my prayers and asked each of you to

:59:32. > :59:36.pray for me and for the new Pope. pray for me and for the new Pope.

:59:36. > :59:37.pray for me and for the new Pope. God continues to watch over our

:59:37. > :59:38.God continues to watch over our God continues to watch over our

:59:38. > :59:43.God continues to watch over our lives and graces the church and our

:59:43. > :59:44.lives and graces the church and our lives and graces the church and our

:59:44. > :59:47.lives and graces the church and our world. I commit you with great love

:59:47. > :59:49.world. I commit you with great love world. I commit you with great love

:59:49. > :59:50.and affection to his care, asking and affection to his care, asking

:59:51. > :59:51.and affection to his care, asking and affection to his care, asking

:59:51. > :59:53.him to strengthen you with the hope him to strengthen you with the hope

:59:54. > :00:03.him to strengthen you with the hope him to strengthen you with the hope

:00:04. > :00:28.

:00:28. > :00:29.Well, now they are moving on to Well, now they are moving on to

:00:29. > :00:31.Well, now they are moving on to Well, now they are moving on to

:00:31. > :00:32.German and they will move on to German and they will move on to

:00:32. > :00:34.German and they will move on to Portuguese. And Spanish as well.

:00:34. > :00:35.Portuguese. And Spanish as well. Portuguese. And Spanish as well.

:00:35. > :00:36.Portuguese. And Spanish as well. And even Slovak and all sorts of

:00:36. > :00:37.And even Slovak and all sorts of And even Slovak and all sorts of

:00:37. > :00:41.other languages during the course other languages during the course

:00:41. > :00:42.other languages during the course other languages during the course

:00:42. > :00:43.of this. Let me bring our guests, of this. Let me bring our guests,

:00:43. > :00:46.of this. Let me bring our guests, of this. Let me bring our guests,

:00:47. > :00:47.who are with us on this memorable who are with us on this memorable

:00:47. > :00:49.who are with us on this memorable who are with us on this memorable

:00:49. > :00:51.day. David, we spoke a moment ago day. David, we spoke a moment ago

:00:51. > :00:52.day. David, we spoke a moment ago about the burden of office. The

:00:52. > :00:53.about the burden of office. The about the burden of office. The

:00:53. > :00:54.huge question people are asking in huge question people are asking in

:00:55. > :00:57.huge question people are asking in huge question people are asking in

:00:57. > :01:00.Rome and around the world is, what Rome and around the world is, what

:01:00. > :01:01.Rome and around the world is, what Rome and around the world is, what

:01:01. > :01:04.next for emeritus pope? Did we get next for emeritus pope? Did we get

:01:04. > :01:06.next for emeritus pope? Did we get a clear indication in that address?

:01:06. > :01:08.a clear indication in that address? a clear indication in that address?

:01:08. > :01:08.a clear indication in that address? We did indeed. The Pope says very

:01:09. > :01:10.We did indeed. The Pope says very We did indeed. The Pope says very

:01:10. > :01:11.clearly that it is very difficult clearly that it is very difficult

:01:11. > :01:13.clearly that it is very difficult clearly that it is very difficult

:01:13. > :01:14.as a job because a Pope never has as a job because a Pope never has

:01:14. > :01:16.as a job because a Pope never has any personal privacy, which is

:01:16. > :01:17.any personal privacy, which is any personal privacy, which is

:01:17. > :01:19.any personal privacy, which is interesting. He also says he is not

:01:19. > :01:21.interesting. He also says he is not interesting. He also says he is not

:01:21. > :01:22.interesting. He also says he is not going to return now to private life,

:01:22. > :01:23.going to return now to private life, going to return now to private life,

:01:23. > :01:24.to weigh life of travel and to weigh life of travel and

:01:24. > :01:26.to weigh life of travel and greeting people and giving lectures

:01:26. > :01:28.greeting people and giving lectures greeting people and giving lectures

:01:28. > :01:30.greeting people and giving lectures greeting people and giving lectures

:01:30. > :01:31.and so on. -- a life. He says, I am and so on. -- a life. He says, I am

:01:31. > :01:33.and so on. -- a life. He says, I am and so on. -- a life. He says, I am

:01:33. > :01:34.not abandoning the cross but I will not abandoning the cross but I will

:01:34. > :01:35.not abandoning the cross but I will carry on my office of the

:01:35. > :01:36.carry on my office of the carry on my office of the

:01:36. > :01:37.government of the church in the government of the church in the

:01:38. > :01:40.government of the church in the government of the church in the

:01:40. > :01:40.service of the Church. And for that service of the Church. And for that

:01:40. > :01:43.service of the Church. And for that reason he's staying inside the

:01:43. > :01:44.reason he's staying inside the reason he's staying inside the

:01:44. > :01:47.walls of the Vatican. Now, this walls of the Vatican. Now, this

:01:47. > :01:48.walls of the Vatican. Now, this could prove, it seems to me,

:01:48. > :01:50.could prove, it seems to me, could prove, it seems to me,

:01:50. > :01:50.something of an embarrassment to something of an embarrassment to

:01:50. > :01:51.something of an embarrassment to something of an embarrassment to

:01:51. > :01:52.his successor to have a former Pope his successor to have a former Pope

:01:52. > :01:53.his successor to have a former Pope his successor to have a former Pope

:01:53. > :01:54.living, as it were, on the other living, as it were, on the other

:01:54. > :01:56.living, as it were, on the other living, as it were, on the other

:01:56. > :01:57.side of the garden while he takes side of the garden while he takes

:01:57. > :02:00.side of the garden while he takes over the reins of running this

:02:00. > :02:02.over the reins of running this extraordinary organisation, the

:02:02. > :02:03.extraordinary organisation, the world's oldest continuous

:02:03. > :02:05.world's oldest continuous organisation, the Roman Catholic

:02:05. > :02:07.organisation, the Roman Catholic organisation, the Roman Catholic

:02:07. > :02:09.Church, with members all over the Church, with members all over the

:02:09. > :02:10.Church, with members all over the Church, with members all over the

:02:10. > :02:12.world. It will be a very difficult world. It will be a very difficult

:02:12. > :02:14.world. It will be a very difficult relationship to work out. Having a

:02:14. > :02:15.relationship to work out. Having a relationship to work out. Having a

:02:15. > :02:21.former Pope and a reigning pact former Pope and a reigning pact

:02:21. > :02:24.former Pope and a reigning pact living cheek by jowl. -- Pope.

:02:24. > :02:24.living cheek by jowl. -- Pope. living cheek by jowl. -- Pope.

:02:24. > :02:26.There were many metaphors. Twixt There were many metaphors. Twixt

:02:26. > :02:26.There were many metaphors. Twixt There were many metaphors. Twixt

:02:26. > :02:28.and it a step further, it sounds and it a step further, it sounds

:02:28. > :02:33.and it a step further, it sounds and it a step further, it sounds

:02:33. > :02:34.like he will still have a hand on like he will still have a hand on

:02:34. > :02:39.like he will still have a hand on like he will still have a hand on

:02:39. > :02:40.the Taylor? -- to taking a step. the Taylor? -- to taking a step.

:02:40. > :02:41.the Taylor? -- to taking a step. The question about how much

:02:41. > :02:43.The question about how much The question about how much

:02:43. > :02:44.influence he will have has been influence he will have has been

:02:44. > :02:47.influence he will have has been discussed very much over this past

:02:47. > :02:47.discussed very much over this past discussed very much over this past

:02:47. > :02:49.couple of weeks. A Vatican couple of weeks. A Vatican

:02:49. > :02:50.couple of weeks. A Vatican spokesman has been at pains to

:02:50. > :02:51.spokesman has been at pains to spokesman has been at pains to

:02:51. > :02:53.spokesman has been at pains to point out that he is retiring in

:02:53. > :02:56.point out that he is retiring in point out that he is retiring in

:02:56. > :02:57.point out that he is retiring in the full sense of the word. The

:02:57. > :02:59.the full sense of the word. The the full sense of the word. The

:02:59. > :03:00.Pope has used the expression "I Pope has used the expression "I

:03:00. > :03:01.Pope has used the expression "I Pope has used the expression "I

:03:01. > :03:03.will be hidden from view". He will will be hidden from view". He will

:03:03. > :03:03.will be hidden from view". He will will be hidden from view". He will

:03:03. > :03:05.not in any way be trying to not in any way be trying to

:03:05. > :03:06.not in any way be trying to interfere with the work of his

:03:06. > :03:07.interfere with the work of his interfere with the work of his

:03:07. > :03:08.successor but he will be retiring successor but he will be retiring

:03:09. > :03:09.successor but he will be retiring successor but he will be retiring

:03:09. > :03:10.back into his books, which is where back into his books, which is where

:03:11. > :03:12.back into his books, which is where he really feels most comfortable.

:03:12. > :03:13.he really feels most comfortable. he really feels most comfortable.

:03:13. > :03:15.he really feels most comfortable. He will be retiring into a life of

:03:15. > :03:16.He will be retiring into a life of He will be retiring into a life of

:03:16. > :03:17.prayer, a reflection and able to prayer, a reflection and able to

:03:17. > :03:19.prayer, a reflection and able to continue with his writing. The

:03:19. > :03:20.continue with his writing. The continue with his writing. The

:03:20. > :03:21.interesting question will be if the interesting question will be if the

:03:21. > :03:22.interesting question will be if the publishers and knee books or

:03:22. > :03:23.publishers and knee books or publishers and knee books or

:03:23. > :03:24.publishers and knee books or letters, we know there are a couple

:03:24. > :03:28.letters, we know there are a couple letters, we know there are a couple

:03:28. > :03:29.letters, we know there are a couple in the works. -- any books. How

:03:29. > :03:31.in the works. -- any books. How in the works. -- any books. How

:03:31. > :03:32.will they be received? They will they be received? They

:03:32. > :03:33.will they be received? They obviously weren't be from an

:03:33. > :03:34.obviously weren't be from an obviously weren't be from an

:03:34. > :03:36.infallible Pope any more because he infallible Pope any more because he

:03:36. > :03:39.infallible Pope any more because he has retired from that position. --

:03:39. > :03:39.has retired from that position. -- has retired from that position. --

:03:39. > :03:41.has retired from that position. -- will not be. But which form will

:03:41. > :03:43.will not be. But which form will will not be. But which form will

:03:43. > :03:44.they be presented in? Azaz say, they be presented in? Azaz say,

:03:44. > :03:46.they be presented in? Azaz say, this is uncharted waters so the

:03:46. > :03:48.this is uncharted waters so the this is uncharted waters so the

:03:48. > :03:48.this is uncharted waters so the Vatican will have to decide that. -

:03:48. > :03:55.Vatican will have to decide that. - Vatican will have to decide that. -

:03:55. > :03:58.Vatican will have to decide that. - Vatican will have to decide that. -

:03:58. > :04:00.- as our eyes say. -- as I say. If - as our eyes say. -- as I say. If

:04:00. > :04:01.- as our eyes say. -- as I say. If - as our eyes say. -- as I say. If

:04:01. > :04:03.you think about it, up until now, you think about it, up until now,

:04:03. > :04:04.you think about it, up until now, he has worked incredibly closely,

:04:04. > :04:07.he has worked incredibly closely, he has worked incredibly closely,

:04:07. > :04:07.he has worked incredibly closely, with all of these cardinals, one of

:04:07. > :04:08.with all of these cardinals, one of with all of these cardinals, one of

:04:08. > :04:10.with all of these cardinals, one of whom will be voted as his successor,

:04:10. > :04:11.whom will be voted as his successor, whom will be voted as his successor,

:04:11. > :04:12.whom will be voted as his successor, and their work cheek by jowl on a

:04:12. > :04:13.and their work cheek by jowl on a and their work cheek by jowl on a

:04:13. > :04:14.daily basis. They have done this daily basis. They have done this

:04:14. > :04:16.daily basis. They have done this for the last eight years. They

:04:16. > :04:17.for the last eight years. They for the last eight years. They

:04:17. > :04:18.for the last eight years. They might do so to seek his advice, to

:04:18. > :04:18.might do so to seek his advice, to might do so to seek his advice, to

:04:18. > :04:20.might do so to seek his advice, to ask for the prayers for the work

:04:20. > :04:21.ask for the prayers for the work ask for the prayers for the work

:04:21. > :04:22.ask for the prayers for the work they are doing, but I do genuinely

:04:22. > :04:23.they are doing, but I do genuinely they are doing, but I do genuinely

:04:23. > :04:24.think this question of influence, think this question of influence,

:04:24. > :04:25.think this question of influence, think this question of influence,

:04:25. > :04:27.think this question of influence, it will be up to the new man to set

:04:27. > :04:32.it will be up to the new man to set it will be up to the new man to set

:04:32. > :04:32.his direction. Will he ask his his direction. Will he ask his

:04:32. > :04:34.his direction. Will he ask his predecessor for advice from time to

:04:34. > :04:36.predecessor for advice from time to predecessor for advice from time to

:04:36. > :04:37.predecessor for advice from time to time? He may do so. But I think

:04:37. > :04:38.time? He may do so. But I think time? He may do so. But I think

:04:38. > :04:42.Pope Benedict has been very careful Pope Benedict has been very careful

:04:42. > :04:44.Pope Benedict has been very careful Pope Benedict has been very careful

:04:44. > :04:44.to say he will not interfere. to say he will not interfere.

:04:44. > :04:45.to say he will not interfere. Cardinals have kept away from

:04:45. > :04:46.Cardinals have kept away from Cardinals have kept away from

:04:46. > :04:48.Cardinals have kept away from everybody and they do not talk to

:04:48. > :04:49.everybody and they do not talk to everybody and they do not talk to

:04:49. > :04:52.anybody during this period. But I anybody during this period. But I

:04:52. > :04:55.anybody during this period. But I guess Pope Benedict has exerted his

:04:55. > :04:57.guess Pope Benedict has exerted his guess Pope Benedict has exerted his

:04:57. > :04:58.influence and authority in his influence and authority in his

:04:58. > :04:59.influence and authority in his choice of Cardinals over the last

:04:59. > :05:03.choice of Cardinals over the last choice of Cardinals over the last

:05:03. > :05:04.eight years of his pontificate. eight years of his pontificate.

:05:04. > :05:05.eight years of his pontificate. am waiting to see with great

:05:05. > :05:06.am waiting to see with great am waiting to see with great

:05:06. > :05:08.interest and whether, during the interest and whether, during the

:05:08. > :05:12.interest and whether, during the run-up to the conclave, there will

:05:12. > :05:12.run-up to the conclave, there will run-up to the conclave, there will

:05:12. > :05:13.run-up to the conclave, there will be a procession of visitors up to

:05:13. > :05:15.be a procession of visitors up to be a procession of visitors up to

:05:15. > :05:16.Castel Gandolfo to greet the Pope Castel Gandolfo to greet the Pope

:05:16. > :05:17.Castel Gandolfo to greet the Pope and her final discussions with him.

:05:17. > :05:20.and her final discussions with him. and her final discussions with him.

:05:20. > :05:21.and her final discussions with him. Although he will be no longer Pope

:05:21. > :05:22.Although he will be no longer Pope Although he will be no longer Pope

:05:22. > :05:23.officially from tomorrow, the Holy officially from tomorrow, the Holy

:05:23. > :05:24.officially from tomorrow, the Holy officially from tomorrow, the Holy

:05:24. > :05:28.See is vacant. That is the way the See is vacant. That is the way the

:05:28. > :05:29.See is vacant. That is the way the Vatican describes it. But even so,

:05:29. > :05:31.Vatican describes it. But even so, Vatican describes it. But even so,

:05:31. > :05:32.his influence will be felt. You his influence will be felt. You

:05:32. > :05:33.his influence will be felt. You want continuity for the Church and

:05:33. > :05:35.want continuity for the Church and want continuity for the Church and

:05:35. > :05:37.want continuity for the Church and you want a smooth handover. And the

:05:37. > :05:38.you want a smooth handover. And the you want a smooth handover. And the

:05:38. > :05:40.Pope has indicated that he will Pope has indicated that he will

:05:40. > :05:41.Pope has indicated that he will Pope has indicated that he will

:05:41. > :05:42.continue to keep a watchful eye on continue to keep a watchful eye on

:05:42. > :05:43.continue to keep a watchful eye on continue to keep a watchful eye on

:05:43. > :05:44.the affairs of the Church but his the affairs of the Church but his

:05:44. > :05:46.the affairs of the Church but his role will be radically different in

:05:46. > :05:46.role will be radically different in role will be radically different in

:05:46. > :05:47.role will be radically different in the future from what it has been

:05:47. > :05:50.the future from what it has been the future from what it has been

:05:50. > :05:52.the future from what it has been over the past five years. And there

:05:52. > :05:55.over the past five years. And there over the past five years. And there

:05:55. > :05:56.is nothing improper in that, is is nothing improper in that, is

:05:56. > :05:58.is nothing improper in that, is is nothing improper in that, is

:05:58. > :05:59.there? I mean, given we are in there? I mean, given we are in

:05:59. > :05:59.there? I mean, given we are in these circumstances, if a card and

:05:59. > :06:00.these circumstances, if a card and these circumstances, if a card and

:06:00. > :06:01.these circumstances, if a card and will want to go and seek the

:06:01. > :06:02.will want to go and seek the will want to go and seek the

:06:02. > :06:03.will want to go and seek the thoughts of Pope Benedict, it is a

:06:03. > :06:05.thoughts of Pope Benedict, it is a thoughts of Pope Benedict, it is a

:06:05. > :06:07.thoughts of Pope Benedict, it is a natural thing to do. -- a cardinal.

:06:07. > :06:07.natural thing to do. -- a cardinal. natural thing to do. -- a cardinal.

:06:07. > :06:11.natural thing to do. -- a cardinal. Some people might think this is a

:06:11. > :06:12.Some people might think this is a Some people might think this is a

:06:12. > :06:13.cynical manipulation of power? cynical manipulation of power?

:06:13. > :06:17.cynical manipulation of power? press always think about this in

:06:17. > :06:19.press always think about this in press always think about this in

:06:19. > :06:21.terms of an election campaign but terms of an election campaign but

:06:21. > :06:24.terms of an election campaign but terms of an election campaign but

:06:24. > :06:25.it doesn't work that way. The Pope it doesn't work that way. The Pope

:06:25. > :06:26.it doesn't work that way. The Pope and his cardinals work together and

:06:26. > :06:27.and his cardinals work together and and his cardinals work together and

:06:27. > :06:28.and his cardinals work together and have done for the past eight years.

:06:28. > :06:30.have done for the past eight years. have done for the past eight years.

:06:30. > :06:32.First half of them have been First half of them have been

:06:32. > :06:33.First half of them have been appointed by Pope Benedict and the

:06:33. > :06:34.appointed by Pope Benedict and the appointed by Pope Benedict and the

:06:34. > :06:35.appointed by Pope Benedict and the other half by a Pope John Paul. So

:06:35. > :06:36.other half by a Pope John Paul. So other half by a Pope John Paul. So

:06:36. > :06:39.other half by a Pope John Paul. So you are not going to see any

:06:39. > :06:40.you are not going to see any you are not going to see any

:06:40. > :06:41.stunning changes in direction. That stunning changes in direction. That

:06:41. > :06:42.stunning changes in direction. That influence will continue to be felt

:06:42. > :06:46.influence will continue to be felt influence will continue to be felt

:06:46. > :06:46.as well. But unlike the previous as well. But unlike the previous

:06:46. > :06:50.as well. But unlike the previous conclave, where there was a greater

:06:50. > :06:52.conclave, where there was a greater conclave, where there was a greater

:06:52. > :06:54.need, perhaps, then, for continuity need, perhaps, then, for continuity

:06:54. > :06:56.after that extraordinary after that extraordinary

:06:56. > :06:57.after that extraordinary pontificate of John Paul II, and

:06:57. > :06:58.pontificate of John Paul II, and pontificate of John Paul II, and

:06:58. > :06:59.pontificate of John Paul II, and then they were looking for a safe

:06:59. > :07:01.then they were looking for a safe then they were looking for a safe

:07:01. > :07:02.then they were looking for a safe pair of hands after him. I think

:07:02. > :07:03.pair of hands after him. I think pair of hands after him. I think

:07:03. > :07:04.pair of hands after him. I think there is a sense now that people

:07:04. > :07:05.there is a sense now that people there is a sense now that people

:07:05. > :07:08.there is a sense now that people are looking for a younger and even

:07:09. > :07:12.are looking for a younger and even possibly more courageous approach

:07:12. > :07:13.possibly more courageous approach possibly more courageous approach

:07:13. > :07:16.possibly more courageous approach to the problems than of the last

:07:16. > :07:17.to the problems than of the last pontificate. We have concentrated

:07:18. > :07:18.pontificate. We have concentrated pontificate. We have concentrated

:07:18. > :07:20.rightly on the legacy of Pope rightly on the legacy of Pope

:07:20. > :07:21.rightly on the legacy of Pope Benedict but the problems you raise

:07:21. > :07:23.Benedict but the problems you raise Benedict but the problems you raise

:07:23. > :07:27.there - they have been significant. there - they have been significant.

:07:27. > :07:27.there - they have been significant. Even this week, with Cardinal Keith

:07:27. > :07:29.Even this week, with Cardinal Keith Even this week, with Cardinal Keith

:07:29. > :07:30.O'Brien, saying he is going to O'Brien, saying he is going to

:07:30. > :07:31.O'Brien, saying he is going to O'Brien, saying he is going to

:07:31. > :07:32.resign and not playing a part in resign and not playing a part in

:07:32. > :07:34.resign and not playing a part in the conclave over allegations that

:07:34. > :07:35.the conclave over allegations that the conclave over allegations that

:07:35. > :07:37.he strenuously denies. The problems he strenuously denies. The problems

:07:37. > :07:38.he strenuously denies. The problems he strenuously denies. The problems

:07:38. > :07:39.just seem to have been lapping at just seem to have been lapping at

:07:39. > :07:42.just seem to have been lapping at the short of the Catholic Church

:07:42. > :07:48.the short of the Catholic Church the short of the Catholic Church

:07:48. > :07:51.pretty consistently all through his pretty consistently all through his

:07:51. > :07:53.pretty consistently all through his controversy? -- his papacy? There

:07:53. > :07:58.controversy? -- his papacy? There controversy? -- his papacy? There

:07:58. > :08:00.are many challenges going through are many challenges going through

:08:00. > :08:00.are many challenges going through are many challenges going through

:08:00. > :08:02.to -- sings the millennium and the to -- sings the millennium and the

:08:02. > :08:04.to -- sings the millennium and the last Pope neglected his duties. It

:08:04. > :08:05.last Pope neglected his duties. It last Pope neglected his duties. It

:08:05. > :08:07.last Pope neglected his duties. It wasn't his fault. He wasn't able to

:08:07. > :08:08.wasn't his fault. He wasn't able to wasn't his fault. He wasn't able to

:08:08. > :08:08.wasn't his fault. He wasn't able to do it. I think this is a reason

:08:09. > :08:10.do it. I think this is a reason do it. I think this is a reason

:08:10. > :08:11.Pope Benedict decided to resign. He Pope Benedict decided to resign. He

:08:11. > :08:12.Pope Benedict decided to resign. He Pope Benedict decided to resign. He

:08:12. > :08:13.did not want a period when he felt did not want a period when he felt

:08:13. > :08:14.did not want a period when he felt his powers were failing and he

:08:14. > :08:16.his powers were failing and he his powers were failing and he

:08:16. > :08:17.could not address these problems. could not address these problems.

:08:17. > :08:17.could not address these problems. could not address these problems.

:08:17. > :08:18.But the problem for me is that it But the problem for me is that it

:08:18. > :08:20.But the problem for me is that it But the problem for me is that it

:08:20. > :08:22.is not enough to talk about it. We is not enough to talk about it. We

:08:22. > :08:24.is not enough to talk about it. We need action now, particularly over

:08:24. > :08:25.need action now, particularly over need action now, particularly over

:08:25. > :08:26.this worldwide problem of clerical this worldwide problem of clerical

:08:26. > :08:27.this worldwide problem of clerical this worldwide problem of clerical

:08:27. > :08:28.sexual abuse. They need to sort out sexual abuse. They need to sort out

:08:28. > :08:29.sexual abuse. They need to sort out the problems of the Vatican Bank,

:08:29. > :08:30.the problems of the Vatican Bank, the problems of the Vatican Bank,

:08:30. > :08:32.the problems of the Vatican Bank, they have to sort out the problems

:08:32. > :08:32.they have to sort out the problems they have to sort out the problems

:08:32. > :08:34.they have to sort out the problems of the flight from the pews in

:08:34. > :08:36.of the flight from the pews in of the flight from the pews in

:08:36. > :08:37.of the flight from the pews in Europe. Is it going to be a leaner,

:08:37. > :08:39.Europe. Is it going to be a leaner, Europe. Is it going to be a leaner,

:08:39. > :08:40.meaner Church, as Pope Benedict has meaner Church, as Pope Benedict has

:08:40. > :08:42.meaner Church, as Pope Benedict has indicated? Is that the future of

:08:42. > :08:43.indicated? Is that the future of indicated? Is that the future of

:08:43. > :08:44.indicated? Is that the future of the church in Europe? And and there

:08:44. > :08:47.the church in Europe? And and there the church in Europe? And and there

:08:47. > :08:48.is this interesting factor of the is this interesting factor of the

:08:48. > :08:50.is this interesting factor of the change in the whole direction of

:08:50. > :08:53.change in the whole direction of change in the whole direction of

:08:53. > :08:54.change in the whole direction of the Church. -- and then. It is

:08:54. > :08:55.the Church. -- and then. It is the Church. -- and then. It is

:08:55. > :08:55.becoming more popular as in the becoming more popular as in the

:08:55. > :08:56.becoming more popular as in the developing world and less popular

:08:57. > :09:01.developing world and less popular developing world and less popular

:09:01. > :09:08.as in the former Catholic countries as in the former Catholic countries

:09:08. > :09:10.as in the former Catholic countries of Europe. -- populace. A great

:09:10. > :09:13.of Europe. -- populace. A great of Europe. -- populace. A great

:09:13. > :09:14.task facing the next Pontiff. task facing the next Pontiff.

:09:14. > :09:20.task facing the next Pontiff. task facing the next Pontiff.

:09:20. > :09:21.was a fascinating tour de force of was a fascinating tour de force of

:09:21. > :09:23.was a fascinating tour de force of was a fascinating tour de force of

:09:23. > :09:24.what might be in the in-tray of a what might be in the in-tray of a

:09:24. > :09:34.what might be in the in-tray of a what might be in the in-tray of a

:09:34. > :09:34.

:09:34. > :10:33.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 52 seconds

:10:33. > :10:36.new Pope. Can we talk about it like Sorry about that. We had a minor

:10:37. > :10:42.Sorry about that. We had a minor Sorry about that. We had a minor

:10:43. > :10:43.problem with hours sound here, -- problem with hours sound here, --

:10:43. > :10:45.problem with hours sound here, -- our sound, from our position over

:10:45. > :10:46.our sound, from our position over our sound, from our position over

:10:46. > :10:48.the square. We were talking about the square. We were talking about

:10:48. > :10:52.the square. We were talking about the square. We were talking about

:10:52. > :10:53.the sort of problems you think were the sort of problems you think were

:10:53. > :10:54.the sort of problems you think were there is -- whoever is his

:10:54. > :10:57.there is -- whoever is his there is -- whoever is his

:10:57. > :11:00.successor will have to deal with. successor will have to deal with.

:11:00. > :11:02.successor will have to deal with. There are the problems of Africa

:11:02. > :11:03.There are the problems of Africa There are the problems of Africa

:11:03. > :11:05.and developing countries with many and developing countries with many

:11:05. > :11:07.and developing countries with many coming forward to the priesthood

:11:07. > :11:08.coming forward to the priesthood coming forward to the priesthood

:11:08. > :11:11.and the opposite of what is and the opposite of what is

:11:11. > :11:13.and the opposite of what is happening here in Europe and East

:11:13. > :11:14.happening here in Europe and East happening here in Europe and East

:11:14. > :11:17.and Western Europe. There are those and Western Europe. There are those

:11:17. > :11:22.and Western Europe. There are those and Western Europe. There are those

:11:22. > :11:24.who say that the Church in Latin who say that the Church in Latin

:11:24. > :11:25.who say that the Church in Latin who say that the Church in Latin

:11:25. > :11:27.America and Africa is so strong we America and Africa is so strong we

:11:27. > :11:34.America and Africa is so strong we do not need a Latin-American or

:11:34. > :11:36.do not need a Latin-American or do not need a Latin-American or

:11:36. > :11:37.African brooch. -- Pope. What about African brooch. -- Pope. What about

:11:37. > :11:38.African brooch. -- Pope. What about African brooch. -- Pope. What about

:11:39. > :11:40.the sense that there has been an the sense that there has been an

:11:40. > :11:41.unwillingness to grasp the unwillingness to grasp the

:11:41. > :11:42.unwillingness to grasp the dimensions of the sexual abuse

:11:42. > :11:43.dimensions of the sexual abuse dimensions of the sexual abuse

:11:43. > :11:44.dimensions of the sexual abuse scandals that have been not just in

:11:44. > :11:47.scandals that have been not just in scandals that have been not just in

:11:47. > :11:48.Europe but America and other places Europe but America and other places

:11:48. > :11:49.Europe but America and other places Europe but America and other places

:11:49. > :11:50.as well? Going back to what David as well? Going back to what David

:11:50. > :11:52.as well? Going back to what David as well? Going back to what David

:11:52. > :11:54.said, at the end of Pope John said, at the end of Pope John

:11:54. > :11:55.said, at the end of Pope John Paul's pontificate, in a sense,

:11:55. > :11:55.Paul's pontificate, in a sense, Paul's pontificate, in a sense,

:11:55. > :11:57.Pope Benedict did have a difficult Pope Benedict did have a difficult

:11:57. > :12:00.Pope Benedict did have a difficult time because he inherited many of

:12:00. > :12:00.time because he inherited many of time because he inherited many of

:12:00. > :12:01.those problems that exploded under those problems that exploded under

:12:01. > :12:02.those problems that exploded under those problems that exploded under

:12:02. > :12:04.John Paul but were not dealt with. John Paul but were not dealt with.

:12:04. > :12:05.John Paul but were not dealt with. John Paul but were not dealt with.

:12:05. > :12:06.John Paul but were not dealt with. It is only fair to say that he has

:12:06. > :12:07.It is only fair to say that he has It is only fair to say that he has

:12:07. > :12:10.It is only fair to say that he has tried very hard to tackle them, to

:12:10. > :12:11.tried very hard to tackle them, to tried very hard to tackle them, to

:12:11. > :12:12.be very serious about the no be very serious about the no

:12:12. > :12:13.be very serious about the no tolerance policy for any body

:12:13. > :12:14.tolerance policy for any body tolerance policy for any body

:12:14. > :12:16.accused of sexual abuse, and over accused of sexual abuse, and over

:12:16. > :12:18.accused of sexual abuse, and over accused of sexual abuse, and over

:12:18. > :12:20.the last couple of years, there has the last couple of years, there has

:12:20. > :12:21.the last couple of years, there has been a big, important conference

:12:22. > :12:22.been a big, important conference been a big, important conference

:12:22. > :12:23.very strongly supported by the very strongly supported by the

:12:23. > :12:24.very strongly supported by the very strongly supported by the

:12:24. > :12:25.Jesuits here in Rome just over a Jesuits here in Rome just over a

:12:25. > :12:32.Jesuits here in Rome just over a year ago. Bishops from around the

:12:32. > :12:33.year ago. Bishops from around the year ago. Bishops from around the

:12:33. > :12:34.world, head -- heads of religious world, head -- heads of religious

:12:34. > :12:35.world, head -- heads of religious organisations gathered to try to

:12:35. > :12:36.organisations gathered to try to organisations gathered to try to

:12:36. > :12:37.show people they were trying to show people they were trying to

:12:37. > :12:38.show people they were trying to show people they were trying to

:12:38. > :12:39.tackle this, because it is not just tackle this, because it is not just

:12:39. > :12:41.tackle this, because it is not just tackle this, because it is not just

:12:41. > :12:42.about the Vatican, it is also about about the Vatican, it is also about

:12:42. > :12:43.about the Vatican, it is also about how the local bishops in local

:12:43. > :12:45.how the local bishops in local how the local bishops in local

:12:45. > :12:46.churches are trying to tackle the churches are trying to tackle the

:12:46. > :12:48.churches are trying to tackle the problem. The effort has to continue,

:12:48. > :12:48.problem. The effort has to continue, problem. The effort has to continue,

:12:48. > :12:49.problem. The effort has to continue, of course, but there are many other

:12:49. > :12:52.of course, but there are many other of course, but there are many other

:12:52. > :12:54.challenges, as we have been saying. challenges, as we have been saying.

:12:54. > :12:55.challenges, as we have been saying. challenges, as we have been saying.

:12:55. > :12:56.I would like to talk about another I would like to talk about another

:12:56. > :12:59.I would like to talk about another interesting fact, which are the

:12:59. > :13:00.interesting fact, which are the interesting fact, which are the

:13:00. > :13:01.demographic changes taking place in demographic changes taking place in

:13:01. > :13:03.demographic changes taking place in the Catholic Church. For example,

:13:03. > :13:03.the Catholic Church. For example, the Catholic Church. For example,

:13:03. > :13:06.the Catholic Church. For example, in Great Britain, we have a large

:13:06. > :13:08.in Great Britain, we have a large in Great Britain, we have a large

:13:08. > :13:10.influx of Catholics from Catholic influx of Catholics from Catholic

:13:10. > :13:11.influx of Catholics from Catholic Poland, which is changing somewhat

:13:11. > :13:12.Poland, which is changing somewhat Poland, which is changing somewhat

:13:13. > :13:13.the nature of English Catholicism. the nature of English Catholicism.

:13:13. > :13:15.the nature of English Catholicism. the nature of English Catholicism.

:13:15. > :13:17.the nature of English Catholicism. If so this is a new factor. In the

:13:17. > :13:19.If so this is a new factor. In the If so this is a new factor. In the

:13:19. > :13:19.If so this is a new factor. In the United States, we have a very new

:13:20. > :13:23.United States, we have a very new interesting fact that although

:13:23. > :13:25.interesting fact that although interesting fact that although

:13:25. > :13:26.there have been 60 million of there have been 60 million of

:13:26. > :13:29.there have been 60 million of Catholics in America mainly of

:13:29. > :13:30.Catholics in America mainly of Catholics in America mainly of

:13:30. > :13:33.Irish, Polish and German origin, Irish, Polish and German origin,

:13:33. > :13:33.Irish, Polish and German origin, Irish, Polish and German origin,

:13:33. > :13:35.you now have this huge influx of you now have this huge influx of

:13:35. > :13:36.you now have this huge influx of people from Latin America, so the

:13:37. > :13:39.people from Latin America, so the people from Latin America, so the

:13:39. > :13:39.nature of the Catholic Church is nature of the Catholic Church is

:13:39. > :13:41.nature of the Catholic Church is changing. And changing in different

:13:41. > :13:41.changing. And changing in different changing. And changing in different

:13:41. > :13:44.changing. And changing in different parts of the world. You have this

:13:44. > :13:48.parts of the world. You have this parts of the world. You have this

:13:48. > :13:49.huge growth in the number of huge growth in the number of

:13:49. > :13:51.huge growth in the number of Catholics from tens of millions to

:13:51. > :13:52.Catholics from tens of millions to Catholics from tens of millions to

:13:52. > :13:57.Catholics from tens of millions to now more than 100 million, so these

:13:57. > :13:58.now more than 100 million, so these demographic changes demand new

:13:58. > :13:59.demographic changes demand new demographic changes demand new

:13:59. > :14:02.policies from the Vatican. The new policies from the Vatican. The new

:14:02. > :14:04.policies from the Vatican. The new policies from the Vatican. The new

:14:04. > :14:05.Pope is going to have to grasp Pope is going to have to grasp

:14:05. > :14:08.Pope is going to have to grasp radical, radical changes in the

:14:08. > :14:10.radical, radical changes in the radical, radical changes in the

:14:10. > :14:10.demography of his church. These are demography of his church. These are

:14:10. > :14:12.demography of his church. These are certainly changes that are very

:14:12. > :14:13.certainly changes that are very certainly changes that are very

:14:13. > :14:14.important. The other critical issue important. The other critical issue

:14:14. > :14:14.important. The other critical issue important. The other critical issue

:14:14. > :14:16.is the changes that will have to is the changes that will have to

:14:16. > :14:16.is the changes that will have to take place in the Vatican, because

:14:16. > :14:18.take place in the Vatican, because take place in the Vatican, because

:14:18. > :14:19.take place in the Vatican, because to be able to deal with these kinds

:14:19. > :14:20.to be able to deal with these kinds to be able to deal with these kinds

:14:20. > :14:22.to be able to deal with these kinds of issues, you have to have, as I

:14:22. > :14:24.of issues, you have to have, as I was saying, much closer

:14:24. > :14:25.was saying, much closer was saying, much closer

:14:25. > :14:25.relationships with the Bishops and relationships with the Bishops and

:14:25. > :14:26.relationships with the Bishops and leaders and those countries who

:14:26. > :14:27.leaders and those countries who leaders and those countries who

:14:27. > :14:29.leaders and those countries who have a handle on what is going on

:14:29. > :14:30.have a handle on what is going on have a handle on what is going on

:14:30. > :14:31.have a handle on what is going on in the local situations. And a key

:14:31. > :14:34.in the local situations. And a key in the local situations. And a key

:14:34. > :14:36.problem people have been talking problem people have been talking

:14:36. > :14:38.problem people have been talking about through the last two Pontiff

:14:38. > :14:39.about through the last two Pontiff about through the last two Pontiff

:14:39. > :14:40.about through the last two Pontiff coulds it is the need for much

:14:40. > :14:43.coulds it is the need for much coulds it is the need for much

:14:43. > :14:47.greater listening and a relaxing of greater listening and a relaxing of

:14:47. > :14:48.greater listening and a relaxing of the rigid structure. -- for two

:14:48. > :14:50.the rigid structure. -- for two the rigid structure. -- for two

:14:50. > :14:51.pontificates. If people really need pontificates. If people really need

:14:51. > :14:52.pontificates. If people really need pontificates. If people really need

:14:52. > :14:55.to see what the problems are and to see what the problems are and

:14:55. > :14:57.perhaps suggest some creative perhaps suggest some creative

:14:57. > :14:57.perhaps suggest some creative perhaps suggest some creative

:14:57. > :14:58.solutions. I am tempted to go into solutions. I am tempted to go into

:14:58. > :14:59.solutions. I am tempted to go into a political comparison, which I

:14:59. > :15:01.a political comparison, which I a political comparison, which I

:15:01. > :15:10.a political comparison, which I know only works for a moment, but

:15:10. > :15:11.know only works for a moment, but know only works for a moment, but

:15:11. > :15:13.could you make this comparison - could you make this comparison -

:15:13. > :15:14.could you make this comparison - could Judy Pope being an outsider

:15:14. > :15:16.could Judy Pope being an outsider could Judy Pope being an outsider

:15:16. > :15:18.without understanding how it works? without understanding how it works?

:15:18. > :15:19.without understanding how it works? without understanding how it works?

:15:20. > :15:22.-- could you be? If absolutely not, -- could you be? If absolutely not,

:15:22. > :15:23.-- could you be? If absolutely not, because this is where decisions are

:15:23. > :15:23.because this is where decisions are because this is where decisions are

:15:23. > :15:26.because this is where decisions are made and a power lies. And the

:15:26. > :15:28.made and a power lies. And the made and a power lies. And the

:15:28. > :15:29.question is, how are those question is, how are those

:15:29. > :15:31.question is, how are those question is, how are those

:15:31. > :15:32.decisions made? For he said, do not decisions made? For he said, do not

:15:32. > :15:33.decisions made? For he said, do not be afraid. He travelled around the

:15:33. > :15:34.be afraid. He travelled around the be afraid. He travelled around the

:15:34. > :15:36.be afraid. He travelled around the world saying to people, do not be

:15:36. > :15:38.world saying to people, do not be world saying to people, do not be

:15:38. > :15:39.afraid. Open the doors to Christ. afraid. Open the doors to Christ.

:15:39. > :15:40.afraid. Open the doors to Christ. People are saying to their church

:15:40. > :15:41.People are saying to their church People are saying to their church

:15:41. > :15:42.People are saying to their church leaders exactly the same thing - do

:15:42. > :15:43.leaders exactly the same thing - do leaders exactly the same thing - do

:15:43. > :15:44.leaders exactly the same thing - do not be afraid to listen to what is

:15:44. > :15:45.not be afraid to listen to what is not be afraid to listen to what is

:15:45. > :15:46.not be afraid to listen to what is going on, to listen to the boys of

:15:47. > :15:48.going on, to listen to the boys of going on, to listen to the boys of

:15:48. > :15:50.the laity, to the women the laity, to the women

:15:50. > :15:52.the laity, to the women particularly. People who have felt

:15:52. > :15:54.particularly. People who have felt excluded from the decision-making

:15:54. > :15:55.excluded from the decision-making excluded from the decision-making

:15:55. > :15:57.excluded from the decision-making process, "do not be afraid" is the

:15:57. > :15:59.process, "do not be afraid" is the process, "do not be afraid" is the

:15:59. > :16:00.process, "do not be afraid" is the phrase they will hear from the Pope.

:16:00. > :16:01.phrase they will hear from the Pope. phrase they will hear from the Pope.

:16:01. > :16:02.Thank you. We are still going Thank you. We are still going

:16:02. > :16:04.Thank you. We are still going Thank you. We are still going

:16:04. > :16:06.through the pros and a variety of through the pros and a variety of

:16:06. > :16:07.through the pros and a variety of different languages, with the Pope

:16:07. > :16:09.different languages, with the Pope different languages, with the Pope

:16:09. > :16:10.different languages, with the Pope saying a few short words as well. -

:16:10. > :16:12.saying a few short words as well. - saying a few short words as well. -

:16:12. > :16:13.- through the prayers. Let's go - through the prayers. Let's go

:16:13. > :16:13.- through the prayers. Let's go - through the prayers. Let's go

:16:13. > :16:15.into the crowd and the pilgrims who into the crowd and the pilgrims who

:16:15. > :16:18.into the crowd and the pilgrims who have gathered to bid farewell to

:16:18. > :16:19.have gathered to bid farewell to have gathered to bid farewell to

:16:19. > :16:29.Pope Benedict. Our correspondent is Pope Benedict. Our correspondent is

:16:29. > :16:32.

:16:33. > :16:34.Pope Benedict. Our correspondent is Everyone coming here to see Pope

:16:34. > :16:35.Everyone coming here to see Pope Everyone coming here to see Pope

:16:35. > :16:36.Benedict gave his last public Benedict gave his last public

:16:36. > :16:39.Benedict gave his last public Benedict gave his last public

:16:39. > :16:42.address, so what did they think of address, so what did they think of

:16:42. > :16:43.address, so what did they think of it? I am joined by Joseph,

:16:43. > :16:45.it? I am joined by Joseph, it? I am joined by Joseph,

:16:45. > :16:47.Francesco and Alison. Alison, you Francesco and Alison. Alison, you

:16:47. > :16:48.Francesco and Alison. Alison, you Francesco and Alison. Alison, you

:16:48. > :16:51.came from Hampshire in the UK. came from Hampshire in the UK.

:16:51. > :16:51.came from Hampshire in the UK. came from Hampshire in the UK.

:16:51. > :16:53.exciting, we came on Monday, we fly exciting, we came on Monday, we fly

:16:53. > :16:55.exciting, we came on Monday, we fly back tomorrow. We have had a

:16:55. > :16:56.back tomorrow. We have had a back tomorrow. We have had a

:16:56. > :16:57.back tomorrow. We have had a wonderful time, I was hoping to see

:16:57. > :16:58.wonderful time, I was hoping to see wonderful time, I was hoping to see

:16:58. > :17:00.the Pope on the balcony, actually, the Pope on the balcony, actually,

:17:00. > :17:01.the Pope on the balcony, actually, the Pope on the balcony, actually,

:17:01. > :17:03.I cut out a picture from the Daily I cut out a picture from the Daily

:17:03. > :17:04.I cut out a picture from the Daily I cut out a picture from the Daily

:17:04. > :17:04.Mail with him on the balcony, with Mail with him on the balcony, with

:17:05. > :17:08.Mail with him on the balcony, with the doves flying out to the

:17:08. > :17:09.the doves flying out to the the doves flying out to the

:17:09. > :17:11.audience. Fantastic. You can get audience. Fantastic. You can get

:17:11. > :17:12.audience. Fantastic. You can get closer to him today, his Popemobile

:17:12. > :17:13.closer to him today, his Popemobile closer to him today, his Popemobile

:17:13. > :17:16.coming out before his address. He coming out before his address. He

:17:16. > :17:18.coming out before his address. He is also the Bishop of Rome,

:17:18. > :17:18.is also the Bishop of Rome, is also the Bishop of Rome,

:17:19. > :17:21.Francesco, how have you felt saying Francesco, how have you felt saying

:17:21. > :17:23.Francesco, how have you felt saying Francesco, how have you felt saying

:17:23. > :17:24.goodbye to him? Today I am very sad, goodbye to him? Today I am very sad,

:17:24. > :17:26.goodbye to him? Today I am very sad, because he decided to step down

:17:26. > :17:28.because he decided to step down because he decided to step down

:17:28. > :17:28.because he decided to step down from his role, but I think you can

:17:28. > :17:36.from his role, but I think you can from his role, but I think you can

:17:36. > :17:37.understand his behaviour if you are understand his behaviour if you are

:17:37. > :17:38.understand his behaviour if you are a believer, because the Church is

:17:38. > :17:40.a believer, because the Church is a believer, because the Church is

:17:40. > :17:41.not an organisation like the others. not an organisation like the others.

:17:41. > :17:42.not an organisation like the others. not an organisation like the others.

:17:42. > :17:46.The Holy spirit will drive all the The Holy spirit will drive all the

:17:46. > :17:47.The Holy spirit will drive all the decisions of the church. We heard

:17:47. > :17:48.decisions of the church. We heard decisions of the church. We heard

:17:48. > :17:50.decisions of the church. We heard from the Pope today, he said that

:17:50. > :17:51.from the Pope today, he said that from the Pope today, he said that

:17:51. > :17:52.he wants the faithful to keep he wants the faithful to keep

:17:52. > :17:54.he wants the faithful to keep he wants the faithful to keep

:17:54. > :17:55.paying for him in his new life, and paying for him in his new life, and

:17:55. > :17:56.paying for him in his new life, and paying for him in his new life, and

:17:56. > :17:58.also for the new Pope. There is a also for the new Pope. There is a

:17:58. > :17:59.also for the new Pope. There is a lot of speculation about her that

:17:59. > :18:01.lot of speculation about her that lot of speculation about her that

:18:01. > :18:01.should be, you come from Tanzania, should be, you come from Tanzania,

:18:01. > :18:06.should be, you come from Tanzania, should be, you come from Tanzania,

:18:06. > :18:08.would you like to see an African would you like to see an African

:18:08. > :18:09.would you like to see an African Pope? If we believe, actually, in

:18:09. > :18:11.Pope? If we believe, actually, in Pope? If we believe, actually, in

:18:11. > :18:13.Pope? If we believe, actually, in the Holy spirit, I would say, why

:18:13. > :18:13.the Holy spirit, I would say, why the Holy spirit, I would say, why

:18:13. > :18:16.the Holy spirit, I would say, why should we expect someone who is an

:18:16. > :18:16.should we expect someone who is an should we expect someone who is an

:18:16. > :18:18.African? Whoever is chosen is the African? Whoever is chosen is the

:18:18. > :18:19.African? Whoever is chosen is the African? Whoever is chosen is the

:18:19. > :18:23.Pope, and we should be able to work Pope, and we should be able to work

:18:23. > :18:25.Pope, and we should be able to work with him or under him. Joseph,

:18:25. > :18:27.with him or under him. Joseph, with him or under him. Joseph,

:18:27. > :18:28.Francesco, Alison, thank you very Francesco, Alison, thank you very

:18:28. > :18:30.Francesco, Alison, thank you very much indeed. Just an international

:18:30. > :18:31.much indeed. Just an international much indeed. Just an international

:18:31. > :18:33.much indeed. Just an international taste, if you like, it is like the

:18:33. > :18:35.taste, if you like, it is like the taste, if you like, it is like the

:18:35. > :18:37.United Nations here, the fateful United Nations here, the fateful

:18:37. > :18:38.representing the 1.2 billion representing the 1.2 billion

:18:38. > :18:40.Catholics worldwide, watching this Catholics worldwide, watching this

:18:40. > :18:41.Catholics worldwide, watching this historic moment, the first time in

:18:41. > :18:42.historic moment, the first time in historic moment, the first time in

:18:42. > :18:43.historic moment, the first time in 600 years that a Pope is standing

:18:43. > :18:45.600 years that a Pope is standing 600 years that a Pope is standing

:18:45. > :18:46.down. That is not until tomorrow down. That is not until tomorrow

:18:46. > :18:47.down. That is not until tomorrow afternoon, but this is the last

:18:47. > :18:48.afternoon, but this is the last afternoon, but this is the last

:18:48. > :18:50.afternoon, but this is the last public address he will give, and it

:18:50. > :19:00.public address he will give, and it public address he will give, and it

:19:00. > :19:01.

:19:01. > :19:03.Or we are chimed by Paddy Agnew Or we are chimed by Paddy Agnew

:19:03. > :19:06.Or we are chimed by Paddy Agnew from the Irish Times, Vatican

:19:06. > :19:07.from the Irish Times, Vatican from the Irish Times, Vatican

:19:07. > :19:10.correspondent. -- we are joined. correspondent. -- we are joined.

:19:10. > :19:11.correspondent. -- we are joined. correspondent. -- we are joined.

:19:11. > :19:12.What do you make of today? There is What do you make of today? There is

:19:12. > :19:14.What do you make of today? There is What do you make of today? There is

:19:14. > :19:15.no template for an event like this. no template for an event like this.

:19:15. > :19:16.no template for an event like this. no template for an event like this.

:19:16. > :19:18.There is no template for it, but it There is no template for it, but it

:19:18. > :19:19.There is no template for it, but it There is no template for it, but it

:19:19. > :19:20.is very much like the mode of the is very much like the mode of the

:19:20. > :19:21.is very much like the mode of the is very much like the mode of the

:19:21. > :19:22.fateful over the last few days. In fateful over the last few days. In

:19:22. > :19:26.fateful over the last few days. In fateful over the last few days. In

:19:26. > :19:27.other words, it is a day that is other words, it is a day that is

:19:27. > :19:28.sober, sympathetic, solidarity, but sober, sympathetic, solidarity, but

:19:28. > :19:31.sober, sympathetic, solidarity, but sober, sympathetic, solidarity, but

:19:31. > :19:33.it is not fanfares and trumpet, it it is not fanfares and trumpet, it

:19:33. > :19:34.it is not fanfares and trumpet, it it is not fanfares and trumpet, it

:19:34. > :19:36.is not about pomp. And he would not is not about pomp. And he would not

:19:36. > :19:37.is not about pomp. And he would not is not about pomp. And he would not

:19:37. > :19:38.have wanted that. No, he would not, have wanted that. No, he would not,

:19:38. > :19:39.have wanted that. No, he would not, have wanted that. No, he would not,

:19:39. > :19:41.and people realise that. One of the and people realise that. One of the

:19:41. > :19:43.and people realise that. One of the things I found interesting, and it

:19:43. > :19:45.things I found interesting, and it things I found interesting, and it

:19:45. > :19:46.things I found interesting, and it was the same on Sunday, if you walk

:19:46. > :19:48.was the same on Sunday, if you walk was the same on Sunday, if you walk

:19:48. > :19:50.around and talk to people, you around and talk to people, you

:19:50. > :19:51.around and talk to people, you cannot find anybody who feels that

:19:51. > :19:52.cannot find anybody who feels that cannot find anybody who feels that

:19:52. > :19:55.cannot find anybody who feels that the Pope has done anything wrong by

:19:55. > :19:56.the Pope has done anything wrong by the Pope has done anything wrong by

:19:56. > :19:57.resigning, which amazes me. There resigning, which amazes me. There

:19:57. > :19:58.resigning, which amazes me. There resigning, which amazes me. There

:19:58. > :20:00.are people who do, but I have not are people who do, but I have not

:20:00. > :20:01.are people who do, but I have not are people who do, but I have not

:20:01. > :20:02.met any of them yet. Do you think met any of them yet. Do you think

:20:03. > :20:04.met any of them yet. Do you think there is an understanding among

:20:04. > :20:05.there is an understanding among there is an understanding among

:20:05. > :20:07.ordinary Catholics, or so than in ordinary Catholics, or so than in

:20:07. > :20:09.ordinary Catholics, or so than in the Vatican, where people suddenly

:20:09. > :20:10.the Vatican, where people suddenly the Vatican, where people suddenly

:20:10. > :20:12.got his announcement that they were got his announcement that they were

:20:12. > :20:14.got his announcement that they were not expecting? Thinking what, I did

:20:14. > :20:14.not expecting? Thinking what, I did not expecting? Thinking what, I did

:20:14. > :20:16.not see this coming! That is not see this coming! That is

:20:17. > :20:18.not see this coming! That is clearly the case, because one the

:20:18. > :20:19.clearly the case, because one the clearly the case, because one the

:20:19. > :20:20.clearly the case, because one the Pope resigns, they do not know how

:20:20. > :20:20.Pope resigns, they do not know how Pope resigns, they do not know how

:20:21. > :20:24.Pope resigns, they do not know how they are going to get back into the

:20:24. > :20:25.they are going to get back into the they are going to get back into the

:20:25. > :20:25.job. The average person in the job. The average person in the

:20:25. > :20:27.job. The average person in the job. The average person in the

:20:27. > :20:29.square here, they all say the same square here, they all say the same

:20:29. > :20:30.square here, they all say the same square here, they all say the same

:20:31. > :20:33.thing. The poor old fella, he is 86, thing. The poor old fella, he is 86,

:20:33. > :20:34.thing. The poor old fella, he is 86, thing. The poor old fella, he is 86,

:20:34. > :20:37.I feel that way myself! It was also I feel that way myself! It was also

:20:37. > :20:39.I feel that way myself! It was also a very personal address, very

:20:39. > :20:39.a very personal address, very different from the normal

:20:39. > :20:41.different from the normal different from the normal

:20:41. > :20:43.catechesis that he gives at the catechesis that he gives at the

:20:43. > :20:44.catechesis that he gives at the general audience. Yes, he took it

:20:44. > :20:47.general audience. Yes, he took it general audience. Yes, he took it

:20:47. > :20:47.general audience. Yes, he took it back to eight years ago when he was

:20:47. > :20:52.back to eight years ago when he was back to eight years ago when he was

:20:52. > :20:53.elected, and he said, you know, elected, and he said, you know,

:20:53. > :20:54.elected, and he said, you know, elected, and he said, you know,

:20:54. > :20:55.basically, you have asked to me to basically, you have asked to me to

:20:55. > :20:56.basically, you have asked to me to basically, you have asked to me to

:20:56. > :20:57.do a lot, but I was always guided do a lot, but I was always guided

:20:57. > :20:59.do a lot, but I was always guided do a lot, but I was always guided

:20:59. > :21:02.by you, and I feel the same today. by you, and I feel the same today.

:21:02. > :21:03.by you, and I feel the same today. by you, and I feel the same today.

:21:03. > :21:10.What he did say was that, this What he did say was that, this

:21:10. > :21:10.What he did say was that, this What he did say was that, this

:21:10. > :21:12.might make us laugh, but he said might make us laugh, but he said

:21:12. > :21:13.might make us laugh, but he said all the faithful, the Church is

:21:13. > :21:14.all the faithful, the Church is all the faithful, the Church is

:21:14. > :21:15.all the faithful, the Church is with you all the time, and he said

:21:15. > :21:17.with you all the time, and he said with you all the time, and he said

:21:17. > :21:17.with you all the time, and he said that even now I have now renounced

:21:18. > :21:18.that even now I have now renounced that even now I have now renounced

:21:18. > :21:20.that even now I have now renounced the office of pontiff, I will not

:21:20. > :21:22.the office of pontiff, I will not the office of pontiff, I will not

:21:22. > :21:23.be returning to private life, be returning to private life,

:21:23. > :21:26.be returning to private life, returning to a life of conferences

:21:26. > :21:27.returning to a life of conferences returning to a life of conferences

:21:27. > :21:29.returning to a life of conferences and events and travel. I will be

:21:29. > :21:30.and events and travel. I will be and events and travel. I will be

:21:30. > :21:30.returning... I'm going to lead a returning... I'm going to lead a

:21:30. > :21:31.returning... I'm going to lead a returning... I'm going to lead a

:21:31. > :21:33.life of prayer, and I will serve life of prayer, and I will serve

:21:33. > :21:35.life of prayer, and I will serve life of prayer, and I will serve

:21:35. > :21:36.the Lord in that way. Do you think the Lord in that way. Do you think

:21:36. > :21:37.the Lord in that way. Do you think the Lord in that way. Do you think

:21:37. > :21:39.that the Pope... I'm sure he knew that the Pope... I'm sure he knew

:21:39. > :21:42.that the Pope... I'm sure he knew what to expect, but there was

:21:42. > :21:43.what to expect, but there was what to expect, but there was

:21:43. > :21:45.something overwhelming that he was something overwhelming that he was

:21:45. > :21:48.something overwhelming that he was the leader of 1.2 billion people...

:21:48. > :21:49.the leader of 1.2 billion people... the leader of 1.2 billion people...

:21:49. > :21:50.the leader of 1.2 billion people... It seems a paradox, on the one hand

:21:50. > :21:51.It seems a paradox, on the one hand It seems a paradox, on the one hand

:21:51. > :21:53.this very private person who does this very private person who does

:21:53. > :21:54.this very private person who does not particularly like the limelight,

:21:54. > :21:56.not particularly like the limelight, not particularly like the limelight,

:21:56. > :21:59.does not enjoy the touchy-feely does not enjoy the touchy-feely

:21:59. > :22:00.does not enjoy the touchy-feely does not enjoy the touchy-feely

:22:00. > :22:02.side of of religion. And yet there side of of religion. And yet there

:22:02. > :22:03.side of of religion. And yet there side of of religion. And yet there

:22:03. > :22:04.he was, as a figurehead. That was he was, as a figurehead. That was

:22:04. > :22:06.he was, as a figurehead. That was he was, as a figurehead. That was

:22:06. > :22:07.always one of the paradoxes of his always one of the paradoxes of his

:22:07. > :22:09.always one of the paradoxes of his election. I have been following the

:22:09. > :22:10.election. I have been following the election. I have been following the

:22:10. > :22:11.Vatican for 30 years, there or Vatican for 30 years, there or

:22:11. > :22:12.Vatican for 30 years, there or thereabouts, and for a long period

:22:12. > :22:14.thereabouts, and for a long period thereabouts, and for a long period

:22:14. > :22:15.thereabouts, and for a long period at the end of John Paul II's

:22:15. > :22:16.at the end of John Paul II's at the end of John Paul II's

:22:16. > :22:18.at the end of John Paul II's pontificate, he was a sick man, and

:22:18. > :22:19.pontificate, he was a sick man, and pontificate, he was a sick man, and

:22:19. > :22:21.pontificate, he was a sick man, and we were saying, who is the next guy

:22:21. > :22:22.we were saying, who is the next guy we were saying, who is the next guy

:22:22. > :22:29.we were saying, who is the next guy going to be? One person he was

:22:29. > :22:30.going to be? One person he was going to be? One person he was

:22:30. > :22:33.never mentioned, Joe Ratzinger. He never mentioned, Joe Ratzinger. He

:22:33. > :22:35.never mentioned, Joe Ratzinger. He never mentioned, Joe Ratzinger. He

:22:35. > :22:37.was not a candidate. Why did people was not a candidate. Why did people

:22:37. > :22:38.was not a candidate. Why did people was not a candidate. Why did people

:22:38. > :22:39.say that? No, because he was a say that? No, because he was a

:22:39. > :22:44.say that? No, because he was a person who, even though he held

:22:44. > :22:47.person who, even though he held person who, even though he held

:22:47. > :22:49.person who, even though he held high office in the Vatican, he was

:22:49. > :22:50.high office in the Vatican, he was high office in the Vatican, he was

:22:50. > :22:52.high office in the Vatican, he was not... He was not somebody with any

:22:52. > :22:54.not... He was not somebody with any particular political savvy. He

:22:54. > :22:57.particular political savvy. He particular political savvy. He

:22:57. > :22:57.would not play the sort of would not play the sort of

:22:58. > :22:58.would not play the sort of political power games that a part

:22:58. > :23:00.political power games that a part political power games that a part

:23:00. > :23:01.of the administration of the Holy of the administration of the Holy

:23:01. > :23:04.of the administration of the Holy See. This was entirely outside of

:23:04. > :23:06.See. This was entirely outside of See. This was entirely outside of

:23:06. > :23:07.See. This was entirely outside of that, and put it another way, he

:23:07. > :23:07.that, and put it another way, he that, and put it another way, he

:23:08. > :23:13.that, and put it another way, he did not seem to have the management

:23:13. > :23:14.did not seem to have the management did not seem to have the management

:23:14. > :23:15.skills to handle 1.2 billion skills to handle 1.2 billion

:23:15. > :23:18.international congregation. That is international congregation. That is

:23:18. > :23:19.international congregation. That is an interesting way of putting it,

:23:19. > :23:21.an interesting way of putting it, an interesting way of putting it,

:23:21. > :23:22.using your CEO analogy, did the using your CEO analogy, did the

:23:22. > :23:24.shareholders have confidence in shareholders have confidence in

:23:24. > :23:26.shareholders have confidence in him? Did they have confidence eight

:23:26. > :23:27.him? Did they have confidence eight him? Did they have confidence eight

:23:27. > :23:29.years ago? Yes, they did, because years ago? Yes, they did, because

:23:29. > :23:30.years ago? Yes, they did, because years ago? Yes, they did, because

:23:30. > :23:31.he was clearly chosen by a small he was clearly chosen by a small

:23:31. > :23:33.he was clearly chosen by a small and very powerful group of the

:23:33. > :23:34.and very powerful group of the and very powerful group of the

:23:34. > :23:37.Curia Cardinals, because after 27 Curia Cardinals, because after 27

:23:37. > :23:38.Curia Cardinals, because after 27 years of what was a monumental

:23:38. > :23:39.years of what was a monumental years of what was a monumental

:23:39. > :23:40.pontificate under John Paul a pontificate under John Paul a

:23:40. > :23:41.pontificate under John Paul a second, probably what was required

:23:41. > :23:43.second, probably what was required second, probably what was required

:23:44. > :23:44.was a moment of transition. That was a moment of transition. That

:23:44. > :23:45.was a moment of transition. That was a moment of transition. That

:23:45. > :23:46.transition had to be in the hands transition had to be in the hands

:23:46. > :23:47.transition had to be in the hands transition had to be in the hands

:23:47. > :23:49.of someone who was a steady pair of of someone who was a steady pair of

:23:49. > :23:52.of someone who was a steady pair of hands. A safe pair of hands,

:23:52. > :23:53.hands. A safe pair of hands, doctrinally very solid. Cardinal

:23:53. > :23:56.doctrinally very solid. Cardinal Ratzinger theatre that bill

:23:56. > :23:58.Ratzinger theatre that bill Ratzinger theatre that bill

:23:58. > :24:01.Ratzinger theatre that bill perfectly. So what is the legacy of

:24:01. > :24:01.perfectly. So what is the legacy of perfectly. So what is the legacy of

:24:01. > :24:03.perfectly. So what is the legacy of Pope Benedict XVI? I think he will

:24:03. > :24:09.Pope Benedict XVI? I think he will Pope Benedict XVI? I think he will

:24:09. > :24:11.be seen as a transitional Pope, be seen as a transitional Pope,

:24:11. > :24:13.be seen as a transitional Pope, somebody who... Two of his great

:24:13. > :24:14.somebody who... Two of his great crusades were against relativism,

:24:14. > :24:17.crusades were against relativism, crusades were against relativism,

:24:17. > :24:19.crusades were against relativism, the idea that all religions are the

:24:19. > :24:21.the idea that all religions are the the idea that all religions are the

:24:21. > :24:21.same, and he wanted a new same, and he wanted a new

:24:21. > :24:25.same, and he wanted a new evangelisation, but that was in

:24:25. > :24:26.evangelisation, but that was in evangelisation, but that was in

:24:26. > :24:27.Europe. He basically felt that the Europe. He basically felt that the

:24:27. > :24:28.Europe. He basically felt that the Europe. He basically felt that the

:24:28. > :24:29.home ground of the Church had lost home ground of the Church had lost

:24:29. > :24:31.home ground of the Church had lost home ground of the Church had lost

:24:31. > :24:33.its way a bit and needed to be its way a bit and needed to be

:24:33. > :24:34.its way a bit and needed to be evangelise. On those terms, and if

:24:34. > :24:34.evangelise. On those terms, and if evangelise. On those terms, and if

:24:34. > :24:36.evangelise. On those terms, and if that is how his pontificate is to

:24:36. > :24:37.that is how his pontificate is to that is how his pontificate is to

:24:37. > :24:39.that is how his pontificate is to be judged, did he succeed? I would

:24:39. > :24:40.be judged, did he succeed? I would be judged, did he succeed? I would

:24:40. > :24:42.be judged, did he succeed? I would say he leaves behind a very divided

:24:42. > :24:43.say he leaves behind a very divided say he leaves behind a very divided

:24:43. > :24:45.say he leaves behind a very divided church, and a church which is still

:24:45. > :24:46.church, and a church which is still church, and a church which is still

:24:46. > :24:51.church, and a church which is still haunted by the ugly spectre of the

:24:51. > :24:52.haunted by the ugly spectre of the haunted by the ugly spectre of the

:24:52. > :24:54.clerical sexual abuse crisis. clerical sexual abuse crisis.

:24:54. > :24:55.clerical sexual abuse crisis. well, the crowds are applauding.

:24:55. > :24:55.well, the crowds are applauding. well, the crowds are applauding.

:24:55. > :24:58.well, the crowds are applauding. I'm just kind of watching to see

:24:58. > :24:59.I'm just kind of watching to see I'm just kind of watching to see

:24:59. > :25:01.what happens next, because... what happens next, because...

:25:01. > :25:11.what happens next, because... is an important moment. Let's

:25:11. > :25:41.

:25:41. > :25:42.TRANSLATION: At the end of this TRANSLATION: At the end of this

:25:42. > :25:45.TRANSLATION: At the end of this meeting, we will sing the Holy

:25:45. > :25:47.meeting, we will sing the Holy meeting, we will sing the Holy

:25:47. > :25:48.Father's prayer in the Latin. At Father's prayer in the Latin. At

:25:48. > :25:52.Father's prayer in the Latin. At Father's prayer in the Latin. At

:25:52. > :25:54.the end, the Holy Father will bless the end, the Holy Father will bless

:25:54. > :26:00.the end, the Holy Father will bless you all. Particularly to children,

:26:00. > :26:01.you all. Particularly to children, you all. Particularly to children,

:26:01. > :26:03.you all. Particularly to children, to those who suffer, he will bless

:26:03. > :26:04.to those who suffer, he will bless to those who suffer, he will bless

:26:04. > :26:05.to those who suffer, he will bless the rosaries and all the other holy

:26:05. > :26:06.the rosaries and all the other holy the rosaries and all the other holy

:26:06. > :26:16.objects and sacred object that you objects and sacred object that you

:26:16. > :26:20.

:26:20. > :26:20.I would like to welcome all the I would like to welcome all the

:26:20. > :26:22.I would like to welcome all the Italian pilgrims, thank you very

:26:22. > :26:32.Italian pilgrims, thank you very Italian pilgrims, thank you very

:26:32. > :26:42.

:26:42. > :26:43.Dear friends, thank you very much Dear friends, thank you very much

:26:43. > :26:45.Dear friends, thank you very much for your participation, being here

:26:45. > :26:46.for your participation, being here for your participation, being here

:26:46. > :26:47.at this meeting. Thank you very at this meeting. Thank you very

:26:48. > :26:50.at this meeting. Thank you very at this meeting. Thank you very

:26:50. > :26:52.much for the joy of the faith. much for the joy of the faith.

:26:52. > :26:53.much for the joy of the faith. These are feelings that I cordially

:26:53. > :26:56.These are feelings that I cordially These are feelings that I cordially

:26:56. > :26:59.These are feelings that I cordially return, and I will pray for you, I

:26:59. > :26:59.return, and I will pray for you, I return, and I will pray for you, I

:26:59. > :27:04.return, and I will pray for you, I will pray for your family's and for

:27:04. > :27:06.will pray for your family's and for will pray for your family's and for

:27:06. > :27:07.will pray for your family's and for Italy and Rome. I would like to say

:27:07. > :27:08.Italy and Rome. I would like to say Italy and Rome. I would like to say

:27:09. > :27:11.something to the young people, to something to the young people, to

:27:11. > :27:13.something to the young people, to something to the young people, to

:27:13. > :27:16.the people who suffer. I hope that the people who suffer. I hope that

:27:16. > :27:17.the people who suffer. I hope that cheeses will fill your hearts with

:27:17. > :27:19.cheeses will fill your hearts with cheeses will fill your hearts with

:27:19. > :27:22.cheeses will fill your hearts with love. Please be ready to follow God

:27:22. > :27:23.love. Please be ready to follow God love. Please be ready to follow God

:27:23. > :27:25.with enthusiasm. I hope that people with enthusiasm. I hope that people

:27:25. > :27:25.with enthusiasm. I hope that people with enthusiasm. I hope that people

:27:25. > :27:29.who are sick can accept with peace who are sick can accept with peace

:27:29. > :27:31.who are sick can accept with peace of mind the burden of suffering,

:27:31. > :27:32.of mind the burden of suffering, of mind the burden of suffering,

:27:32. > :27:34.of mind the burden of suffering, and I will pray for people who are

:27:34. > :27:37.and I will pray for people who are and I will pray for people who are

:27:37. > :27:38.and I will pray for people who are just married so that they can have

:27:38. > :27:39.just married so that they can have just married so that they can have

:27:39. > :27:49.families that develop and grow families that develop and grow

:27:49. > :27:49.

:27:49. > :30:16.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 52 seconds

:30:16. > :30:17.families that develop and grow STUDIO: And that is the final part.

:30:17. > :30:20.STUDIO: And that is the final part. STUDIO: And that is the final part.

:30:20. > :30:23.STUDIO: And that is the final part. And so the final moments of Pope

:30:23. > :30:26.And so the final moments of Pope And so the final moments of Pope

:30:26. > :30:28.Benedict XVI's papacy being played Benedict XVI's papacy being played

:30:28. > :30:30.Benedict XVI's papacy being played out, the singing of the Lord's

:30:30. > :30:35.out, the singing of the Lord's out, the singing of the Lord's

:30:35. > :30:37.Prayer in Latin, led by Pope Prayer in Latin, led by Pope

:30:37. > :30:40.Prayer in Latin, led by Pope Benedict XVI. From tomorrow, he

:30:40. > :30:47.Benedict XVI. From tomorrow, he Benedict XVI. From tomorrow, he

:30:47. > :30:49.will be the emeritus Pope. Now, will be the emeritus Pope. Now,

:30:49. > :30:50.will be the emeritus Pope. Now, getting into his Pope-mobile, which

:30:50. > :30:51.getting into his Pope-mobile, which getting into his Pope-mobile, which

:30:51. > :30:54.will now tour St Peter's Square. will now tour St Peter's Square.

:30:54. > :30:55.will now tour St Peter's Square. will now tour St Peter's Square.

:30:55. > :30:57.You can see tall flags flying, the You can see tall flags flying, the

:30:57. > :30:59.You can see tall flags flying, the You can see tall flags flying, the

:30:59. > :31:00.flags of the vat tan and of many flags of the vat tan and of many

:31:00. > :31:01.different nationalities. It's a different nationalities. It's a

:31:01. > :31:03.different nationalities. It's a veritable kind of United Nations in

:31:03. > :31:05.veritable kind of United Nations in veritable kind of United Nations in

:31:05. > :31:07.veritable kind of United Nations in St Peter's Square today of all the

:31:07. > :31:10.St Peter's Square today of all the different nationalities who've

:31:10. > :31:12.different nationalities who've different nationalities who've

:31:12. > :31:14.gathered to witness this moment. gathered to witness this moment.

:31:14. > :31:17.gathered to witness this moment. gathered to witness this moment.

:31:17. > :31:22.The Pope-mobile goes off at a very The Pope-mobile goes off at a very

:31:22. > :31:28.The Pope-mobile goes off at a very gentle pace and pilgrims wave to

:31:28. > :31:29.gentle pace and pilgrims wave to gentle pace and pilgrims wave to

:31:30. > :31:32.Pope Benedict as this vehicle winds Pope Benedict as this vehicle winds

:31:32. > :31:37.Pope Benedict as this vehicle winds its way round the square very

:31:37. > :31:39.its way round the square very its way round the square very

:31:39. > :31:41.slowly indeed. Me I'm joined by slowly indeed. Me I'm joined by

:31:41. > :31:42.slowly indeed. Me I'm joined by Paddy Agnew from the Irish Times,

:31:42. > :31:44.Paddy Agnew from the Irish Times, Paddy Agnew from the Irish Times,

:31:44. > :31:45.the Vatican correspondent, a long- the Vatican correspondent, a long-

:31:45. > :31:47.the Vatican correspondent, a long- standing Pope-watcher, if I can