:00:19. > :00:24.I'm Katty Kay, and welcome to a BBC News special on the Primary
:00:25. > :00:30.Polls have just this moment closed in the five states being contested
:00:31. > :00:34.across the North-East and Mid-Atlantic.
:00:35. > :00:35.Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, Connecticut, and Rhode Island,
:00:36. > :00:38.and there's a decent clutch of delegates at stake tonight.
:00:39. > :00:39.Both front-runners, Republican Donald Trump and
:00:40. > :00:42.Democrat Hillary Clinton, are widely expected to win, but will tonight be
:00:43. > :00:45.the night they pull away decisively from their respective competitors?
:00:46. > :00:48.With me here on set for the next few hours is Democratic
:00:49. > :00:58.Strategist Erica Payne and Republican Strategist Ron Christie.
:00:59. > :01:06.Thank you for joining us. Good morning. Good morning. Will Hillary
:01:07. > :01:11.Clinton be able to say she is the nominee after tonight? She won't
:01:12. > :01:19.until the convention. Bernie Sanders will go all the way. His supporters
:01:20. > :01:21.want him to do that. It will be a decent mathematical case there is
:01:22. > :01:25.nothing to be done for his supporters but he will take it to
:01:26. > :01:32.the convention and I think he should. And what are you watching
:01:33. > :01:39.for the night? -- tonight. How does Donald Trump do in the suburbs of
:01:40. > :01:45.the US? Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Rhode Island? Those are areas we
:01:46. > :01:48.call Republican Party establishment. If he does well in those
:01:49. > :01:57.geographical regions it does well for him. But Ted Cruz, he can then
:01:58. > :02:03.do well in those same areas. That would mean it isn't over yet for
:02:04. > :02:09.him. We can say the associated press has already predicted... Projected
:02:10. > :02:17.that Pennsylvania, Merrylands, they have gone to Donald Trump. Let's go
:02:18. > :02:21.to Nick Bryant. He is with the Donald Trump campaign. They will
:02:22. > :02:30.like bad news, but it is unsurprising. -- like that. We are
:02:31. > :02:34.expecting a clean sweep of 5-0 in this north-eastern primary. The
:02:35. > :02:42.question is not whether he will win them all but by how much. He needs
:02:43. > :02:45.to do what he did in New York last week, not just to win but to win it
:02:46. > :02:53.big. Every single delegate counts and he needs to shut out his rivals,
:02:54. > :03:01.Ted Cruz, John Key six, and other delegates. Be complicated factor is
:03:02. > :03:06.that rule in Pennsylvania. -- Kasich. If you win the state 71
:03:07. > :03:14.delegates are up for grabs. You can get 17 but there are 54 that are
:03:15. > :03:19.unbound. People them. They don't know what they prefer. Even if he
:03:20. > :03:24.wins big tonight, as he is expected to do, we won't know how many
:03:25. > :03:30.delegates are backing Donald Trump from Pennsylvania. Bizarre. It is so
:03:31. > :03:35.bizarre that we are talking about Pennsylvania because normally the
:03:36. > :03:41.race is over by now. This is a big night for the nerves of the USA.
:03:42. > :03:48.Will it make it different is? This is the first time in history. --
:03:49. > :03:51.difference. You are a US politics nerd.
:03:52. > :03:57.(LAUGHING). Which Donald Trump do you think is going to show up on the
:03:58. > :04:04.stage this evening? Yeah, last week it was the disciplined Donald
:04:05. > :04:07.Trump. The on message Donald Trump. The Donald Trump that has been
:04:08. > :04:16.listening, presumably, to the new campaign chiefs brought on board.
:04:17. > :04:20.They have been trying to shave off the rough edges. We are expecting
:04:21. > :04:27.that one tonight. But you never know. They just closed four minutes
:04:28. > :04:33.ago. We will now go to the Bernie Sanders campaign headquarters where
:04:34. > :04:44.he is speaking. APPLAUSE. Mostly, I want to thank
:04:45. > :04:50.all of you for being here. I want to thank all of you. I want to thank
:04:51. > :04:57.all of you for being prepared to stand up, fight back, and make this
:04:58. > :05:10.country the nation we know it can become!
:05:11. > :05:17.APPLAUSE. This campaign is not just about electing a president, it is
:05:18. > :05:29.about transforming our nation. APPLAUSE! It is about having the
:05:30. > :05:40.courage to demand a political revolution.
:05:41. > :05:49.APPLAUSE. And you are the revolutionaries.
:05:50. > :06:01.APPLAUSE. Because you understand that, unlike football basketball,
:06:02. > :06:06.politics is not a spectator sport. -- football or basketball. Let me
:06:07. > :06:12.tell you a secret that many others will not. You are all, each and
:06:13. > :06:19.every one of you, powerful people, if you choose to exercise that
:06:20. > :06:32.power. APPLAUSE. The fight... The fight
:06:33. > :06:41.that we are waging is not an easy fight, but I know you are prepared
:06:42. > :06:52.to wage that fight against the 1%, against the billionaire class...
:06:53. > :07:00.APPLAUSE. And against a small number of people with incredible wealth and
:07:01. > :07:05.incredible power who control our economic life, our political life,
:07:06. > :07:18.and our media life. APPLAUSE. When we began this
:07:19. > :07:21.campaign just about a year ago, we started with no political
:07:22. > :07:29.organisation, we started with no money, and we had no name
:07:30. > :07:39.recognition outside of Vermont. APPLAUSE. And I want all of you to
:07:40. > :07:49.get up to Vermont and visit our beautiful state. (APPLAUSE). And
:07:50. > :07:59.when we began this campaign the media said, well, you know, Bernie
:08:00. > :08:04.is a nice guy, he combs his hair really well, a top notch dress up,
:08:05. > :08:12.but, nonetheless, he really is a fringe candidate. The campaign is a
:08:13. > :08:22.fringe campaign not to be taken seriously. BOOING. And in the middle
:08:23. > :08:30.of all of that we were taking on the most powerful political organisation
:08:31. > :08:33.in America, an organisation that selected the president, President
:08:34. > :08:43.Clinton, on two occasions, and ran a very strong campaign on the
:08:44. > :08:50.secretary in 2008. And when we began this campaign we were about 3% in
:08:51. > :09:02.the national polls, about 60 points behind Secretary Clinton. Well, a
:09:03. > :09:22.lot has happened in the last year. APPLAUSE. CROWD: Bernie! Bernie!
:09:23. > :09:33.CROWD: Bernie! Bernie! As of today we have now won 16 primaries and
:09:34. > :09:41.caucuses all over this country. ! APPLAUSE. And with your help we are
:09:42. > :10:04.going to win here in West Virginia! APPLAUSE. We have one over 1200
:10:05. > :10:09.delegates. -- won. And in the last several weeks the national polls
:10:10. > :10:22.don't show us 60 points down, a few of them have us actually ahead or a
:10:23. > :10:27.few points down. And what is also extremely important if The
:10:28. > :10:35.Democratic Party is to look at which candidate is the candidate to defeat
:10:36. > :10:46.Donald Trump or any other Republican... BOOING. What we are
:10:47. > :10:53.seeing are national polls which have us 15-20 points ahead of Donald
:10:54. > :11:04.Trump, far more than Secretary Clinton.
:11:05. > :11:10.APPLAUSE. Almost every national poll and every state poll has asked
:11:11. > :11:19.defeating Donald Trump and that margin has been significantly larger
:11:20. > :11:26.than Clinton. -- us. And the reason that we are doing so much better
:11:27. > :11:37.against Republican candidates is that not only are we winning the
:11:38. > :11:41.overwhelming majority of Democratic votes, but we are winning
:11:42. > :11:48.independent votes and some Republican votes as well. And that
:11:49. > :11:55.is a point that, I hope, the delegates to the Democratic
:11:56. > :12:07.Convention fully understand. In a General Election, everyone,
:12:08. > :12:12.Democrat, independent, Republican, has the right to vote for
:12:13. > :12:18.president. The elections are not closed primary is. We were in New
:12:19. > :12:25.York state last week. -- primaries. 3 million people in New York state
:12:26. > :12:33.could not vote. BOOING. That is because they were independents.
:12:34. > :12:41.Well, you know what, those folks and independence all over this country
:12:42. > :12:49.will be voting in November! -- independents.
:12:50. > :13:02.APPLAUSE. And, in most cases, we win the independent votes by a 2-1
:13:03. > :13:11.margin. This campaign is doing as well as it is with the extraordinary
:13:12. > :13:18.energy and enthusiasm that we are generating all across this country.
:13:19. > :13:23.Look at this... Look at is room here tonight! We have over 6000 people!
:13:24. > :13:36.-- at this room here. APPLAUSE. CROWD: Bernie! Bernie!
:13:37. > :13:41.CROWD: Bernie! Bernie! And the reason we are generating this
:13:42. > :13:47.enthusiasm is because we are doing something very unusual in
:13:48. > :14:03.contemporary American politics, we are telling the truth.
:14:04. > :14:08.APPLAUSE. Now, the truth is that, as every person he does, whether it is
:14:09. > :14:12.in our own personal lives or in our national or political life, the
:14:13. > :14:19.truth is not always pleasant or something you are happy to hear, but
:14:20. > :14:25.if we go forward as human beings, if we go forward as a nation, we cannot
:14:26. > :14:31.sweep the hard realities of our lives underneath the rug. We have to
:14:32. > :14:36.bring it out and we have to deal with it. The truth is not always
:14:37. > :14:43.something you want to hear. Bernie Sanders is having to swallow some
:14:44. > :14:47.pretty tough truths denied. Umm, why is Bernie Sanders going to stay in
:14:48. > :14:54.the race after tonight? Because Bernie Sanders is a movement. Bernie
:14:55. > :14:59.Sanders is standing at the front of millions of people who want to be
:15:00. > :15:02.heard, whose lives have been destroyed by an economic system that
:15:03. > :15:07.is rigged by a political system that is rigged. Think about Pennsylvania
:15:08. > :15:12.alone tonight. People don't even know... I went to Marylands, I
:15:13. > :15:19.voted. I could see next to each one of my delegate who they were going
:15:20. > :15:24.to support at the election. -- delegates. And then you have a blind
:15:25. > :15:28.vote and we call ourselves a democracy. This is an embarrassment.
:15:29. > :15:31.We wonder why the wealth gap has gone like this. The top 0.1% owns
:15:32. > :15:54.the country. He has made that argument very
:15:55. > :16:00.eloquently, that he cannot win? I had a fascinating conversation with
:16:01. > :16:06.an African-American woman tonight. She said, I don't believe Hillary
:16:07. > :16:12.Clinton is sincere. I want an alternative, I want somebody who is
:16:13. > :16:16.going to speak voice to truth and power and that is Bernie Sanders.
:16:17. > :16:20.Folks of colour, young people, people who are independent and
:16:21. > :16:26.saying the status quo is not working for me. We are not really moving
:16:27. > :16:30.ahead, we remain stagnant. That is why we are moving for. You would
:16:31. > :16:34.agree that after tonight Bernie Sanders is not going to be the
:16:35. > :16:40.Democratic nominee? I don't necessarily agree, but if we accept
:16:41. > :16:46.that premise... He would have to get 79% of all future primaries. It's
:16:47. > :16:50.not going to happen. Stranger things have happened. The thing is, you
:16:51. > :16:55.understand this in the art of history. I think that yes, the race
:16:56. > :17:05.is so interesting, we are glued to it. Bernie Sanders has been fighting
:17:06. > :17:09.for his values his entire life, he has been fighting and will continue
:17:10. > :17:16.after July and the primaries. The Trump supporters, if you look at 79%
:17:17. > :17:19.and 81% respectively of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders supporters, they
:17:20. > :17:28.think America needs a political revolution. Think about the
:17:29. > :17:32.economics of it, we need a revolution. The presidential
:17:33. > :17:37.election is part of that, it's a much bigger story. One person who
:17:38. > :17:41.doesn't agree that there should be a political revolution in America is
:17:42. > :17:47.Ted Cruz, speaking at a rally in Indiana. Even before the polls
:17:48. > :17:52.closed, Ted Cruz said the media was run by Democrats. If you find
:17:53. > :18:00.yourself wondering why the media is so eager to have Donald as the
:18:01. > :18:11.Republican nominee, you don't have to look any further than today's USA
:18:12. > :18:23.Today front page. 40% of GOP doubt they'd vote for Trump. 40%. Now I
:18:24. > :18:27.want you to think for a second. At the network executives Democrats or
:18:28. > :18:31.Republicans? Every one of them is ready for Hillary, and Donald Trump
:18:32. > :18:40.is the one man on earth Hillary Clinton can beat in a general
:18:41. > :18:46.election -- are? The media has told us, the candidates in this race, the
:18:47. > :18:52.Republicans and Democrats, they are both going to be New York liberals.
:18:53. > :19:00.I've got good news for you. Tonight, this campaign moves back to more
:19:01. > :19:07.favourable terrain. Ted Cruz speaking about half-an-hour ago. Our
:19:08. > :19:12.correspondent Gary O'Donoghue is in Indiana. He took on the media but
:19:13. > :19:19.also Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump? He did. After the video you
:19:20. > :19:25.just played, he proceeded to tell us that he was going to give 13
:19:26. > :19:29.separate ways in which Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were the
:19:30. > :19:35.same. Big government liberals, as he put it. That is clearly the strategy
:19:36. > :19:41.going into the Indiana primary here next week. To effectively say, don't
:19:42. > :19:43.vote for Donald Trump, he is just the same as Hillary Clinton. This is
:19:44. > :19:53.a pretty traditional and conservative state, there are big
:19:54. > :19:57.things like gun laws, immigration, defunding Planned Parenthood. He
:19:58. > :20:02.clearly thinks there is a lot at stake here. I don't think you can
:20:03. > :20:09.see it in short, but he is still out there in the crowd signing
:20:10. > :20:16.autographs and talking to people -- shot. He is putting a lot into this,
:20:17. > :20:19.a lot rides on it for him. John case it has paved the way, and is Ted
:20:20. > :20:28.Cruz can prevail he might be able to stop Goldtron. How does the path
:20:29. > :20:37.work for Ted Cruz? -- stop Donald Trump. He is about 300 delegates
:20:38. > :20:43.adrift of Donald Trump. That will increase after the five states that
:20:44. > :20:50.have voted today. He is on about 550. If he wanted a majority, 1237.
:20:51. > :20:57.700 plus delegates, there are not that many left. He and John case it
:20:58. > :21:08.have to stop Donald Trump getting to 1237 -- John Katich. Ted Cruz could
:21:09. > :21:14.squeak ahead of Donald Trump. He is in reaching distance if you take
:21:15. > :21:20.John out of the equation. If he can do that, you could sweep a whole lot
:21:21. > :21:34.of delegates. Could there be an alliance between them? That is an
:21:35. > :21:40.interesting one. They are not even telling one another's supporters to
:21:41. > :21:46.vote for each other. It is a limited alliance, but it might just be
:21:47. > :21:55.enough for Ted Cruz to squeak past Donald Trump next Tuesday. Thank
:21:56. > :22:01.you. Let's go to the Clinton campaign. We are expecting Senator
:22:02. > :22:05.Clinton to come out very soon, and presumably to come out very happy?
:22:06. > :22:16.She already has a win under her belt? Yes. Hillary Clinton will
:22:17. > :22:22.speak in about half-an-hour while. This is a big night for her, she is
:22:23. > :22:30.hoping it will provide her another win. Pennsylvania is the big one.
:22:31. > :22:35.This is the night where she is hoping to build on her last week in
:22:36. > :22:42.New York, she is hoping that tonight she will effectively end Donald
:22:43. > :22:50.Trump's cancers to get the nomination. This is the night where
:22:51. > :22:54.she does that. A very jubilant campaign headquarters. I think you
:22:55. > :23:01.can tell how good a campaign is feeling by the nature of their
:23:02. > :23:05.music. They are rocking tonight! I think they are rocking and good for
:23:06. > :23:10.them. They enlisted a bunch of voters. She is likely to be the
:23:11. > :23:17.nominee in November. This is the thing. We are seeing such an
:23:18. > :23:21.awakening across America, the idea that this political system is rigged
:23:22. > :23:25.and that the economic system is rigged. What you've seen over the
:23:26. > :23:30.course of this election is Hillary Clinton grappling with some of her
:23:31. > :23:34.husband's policies that she is held responsible for. I think she is
:23:35. > :23:39.doing it very effectively, there is maybe even some internal calibration
:23:40. > :23:47.in terms of this. Let's think about trade deals, welfare reform. People
:23:48. > :23:52.would say that categorically, Bernie Sanders has not affected our
:23:53. > :23:58.policies. Please! Seriously. That defies reason in the same way that
:23:59. > :24:02.Ted Cruz saying that the media is controlled by Democrats is a
:24:03. > :24:15.proposed is statement. Have you met Roger Ayles? , and, had. What I find
:24:16. > :24:19.most fascinating is that John Kasich and Ted Cruz have formed an alliance
:24:20. > :24:29.to try and stop Trump. He said he will go to Oregon, Ted Cruz, you
:24:30. > :24:33.stay in Indiana and try to stop Trump in a 2-person race. I have
:24:34. > :24:38.never seen anything like this -- Come on, Ted. Neither have I and
:24:39. > :24:44.neither has Donald Trump, because he said it is ascetic and a symbol of a
:24:45. > :24:52.rigged system. This backfire against Ted Cruz and John Kasich? It could,
:24:53. > :24:56.but this is politics. Politics is about addition rather than
:24:57. > :25:03.subtraction. They want to stop him. Both of those gentlemen believe if
:25:04. > :25:08.we get to Cleveland, Trump, if he doesn't win this outright, will not
:25:09. > :25:13.be the nominee. We will take a break in the second and have more time to
:25:14. > :25:18.talk about these issues. But briefly, these estates that have
:25:19. > :25:24.voted today, how representative are they of the rest of the US?
:25:25. > :25:29.Somewhat. You have to break it down state by state. You are seeing
:25:30. > :25:34.different kinds of people voting in areas around Philadelphia, five
:25:35. > :25:38.counties around Philadelphia hold 80% of the swing voters. There are
:25:39. > :25:39.elements like that which are indicative of what we will see
:25:40. > :25:41.later. Stay with us for this BBC News
:25:42. > :25:44.special on the Primary elections And do go to our website
:25:45. > :25:47.for comprehensive analysis and a live page with
:25:48. > :25:50.the very latest developments. Hello, I'm Mike Embley,
:25:51. > :26:12.now the rest of the news. 27 years after the Hillsborough
:26:13. > :26:14.football disaster, a jury has concluded that the 96
:26:15. > :26:19.victims were unlawfully killed. The decisions follow the longest
:26:20. > :26:23.inquest in British legal history. South Yorkshire Police admitted
:26:24. > :26:25.they'd got the policing at Our home affairs editor Mark Easton
:26:26. > :26:44.reports. The road to justice has been 27
:26:45. > :26:47.years long. Those who walked on with hope
:26:48. > :26:51.their hearts for all this time It wasn't an accident,
:26:52. > :26:55.it wasn't the fans. After two years of evidence
:26:56. > :26:58.and argument, the inquest jury decided the actions
:26:59. > :27:00.of this man, former chief superintendent David Duckenfield,
:27:01. > :27:02.now 71 and retired, caused the manslaughter by gross negligence
:27:03. > :27:07.of 96 Liverpool football fans. He was the match commander for an
:27:08. > :27:10.FA Cup tie at Sheffield Wednesday's Hillsborough
:27:11. > :27:26.Stadium on April 15, 1989. I can't stress enough the serious
:27:27. > :27:45.nature of what has happened at Hillsborough today. I can't stress
:27:46. > :27:48.enough the tragedy. David Duckenfield blamed ticketless
:27:49. > :27:53.supporters. It was a lie. Today, it was decided 7-2 that the footballers
:27:54. > :27:59.had been unlawfully killed, prompting tears and shearing in D
:28:00. > :28:04.public gallery. It marks an important victory in the long fight
:28:05. > :28:08.for truth and justice. Truth, the Hillsborough campaigners, think took
:28:09. > :28:24.them mighty close. Just as, not quite close -- justice.
:28:25. > :28:27.Health bosses in England say hospitals coped well, after junior
:28:28. > :28:30.doctors staged the first all-out strike in the history of the NHS.
:28:31. > :28:33.Figures showed that 78% of junior doctors due in work didn't turn up,
:28:34. > :28:36.in protest against the imposition of a new employment contract.
:28:37. > :28:39.The BBC has learned the owner of BHS tried to move money out
:28:40. > :28:42.It's understood Dominic Chappell transferred ?1.5 million
:28:43. > :28:45.into a Swedish firm, before returning most of the money on
:28:46. > :28:49.The High Street chain went into administration on Monday,
:28:50. > :28:53.Quarterly results released by Apple show that the sales of the iPhones
:28:54. > :28:57.The technology giant reported a revenue of $50.6 billion, a drop of
:28:58. > :29:02.The chief of British Cycling, Shane Sutton, has been suspended
:29:03. > :29:04.amid an investigation into allegations of discrimination.
:29:05. > :29:05.It follows newspaper reports that Sutton made derogatory
:29:06. > :29:23.Hello, I'm Katty Kay and welcome to a BBC News special on the Primary
:29:24. > :29:38.Polls closed 30 minutes ago in five states being contested across the
:29:39. > :29:42.north-east and mid-Atlantic. So far, three have been projected to go
:29:43. > :29:47.to Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton is projected to win in Marilyn. We
:29:48. > :29:57.are waiting for Rhode Island. Strategist Erica Payne and
:29:58. > :30:13.Republican Strategist Ron Christie. No surprise is. I am looking at who
:30:14. > :30:19.is coming in at number two. -- surprises. Donald Trump has had a
:30:20. > :30:30.plurality. Who comes in at number two? Does Ted Cruz surge in some of
:30:31. > :30:41.these states? Jon Kasich? Can Donald Trump be stopped? Is he the
:30:42. > :30:47.inevitable nominee? And what you are looking for? How big the Donald
:30:48. > :30:52.Trump win is. 100%. This is when everyone goes back to let's make a
:30:53. > :30:59.deal. If you see this unholy alliance between Ted Cruz and
:31:00. > :31:05.Kasich, and when you saw this parade of Republicans coming out to endorse
:31:06. > :31:08.Ted Cruz, you could almost see the millionaires in the background
:31:09. > :31:14.saying, you are going to back this guy, pulling the strings. So Donald
:31:15. > :31:21.Trump is basically walking in and saying, the deal is off. You have to
:31:22. > :31:23.deal with me. Tonight will show how much he has to deal with them. It
:31:24. > :31:29.will come down to the delegate count. Both of you think tonight is
:31:30. > :31:38.much more significant for the Republican side? Handsdown. Yeah. He
:31:39. > :31:42.has to close the deal. He has to say to the American people, I am the
:31:43. > :31:49.inevitable nominee and who has had legitimately millions more votes.
:31:50. > :31:52.Not even to the American people. Yeah, he will say that to the
:31:53. > :31:57.American people because he wants them to vote for him. But what he is
:31:58. > :32:02.really sending a signal to is the billionaires trying to move things
:32:03. > :32:08.around on the Republican side. They will have a negotiation on these
:32:09. > :32:12.issues. Rhode Island has been called for Donald Trump. Let's go to Nick
:32:13. > :32:17.Bryant on the Donald Trump campaign in New York. Umm, it is interesting
:32:18. > :32:23.listening in the studio to what people are looking at. It seems to
:32:24. > :32:31.be about the size of Donald Trump's win and where he wins and what parts
:32:32. > :32:38.of the population he wins with. What are you looking it? The same thing.
:32:39. > :32:45.We know he will win the five. -- at. The question is the margin. You have
:32:46. > :32:54.this wildcard situation, as I was explaining, this bizarre
:32:55. > :32:59.Pennsylvania issue. There are 54 delegates who could basically decide
:33:00. > :33:03.who they want to go for. They are unbound. Some of them have said they
:33:04. > :33:07.will vote for Donald Trump. Others, Ted Cruz. And others saying they
:33:08. > :33:11.will follow the will of congressional districts. It looks
:33:12. > :33:16.like Donald Trump will do very well in congressional districts. In
:33:17. > :33:22.Pennsylvania, at least. Because this race is so close and the delegate
:33:23. > :33:29.map is so very delicate, every single delegates matters. That is
:33:30. > :33:35.why we are looking at them in a forensic way. -- delegate. You have
:33:36. > :33:38.to look at the numbers in each congressional district to find out
:33:39. > :33:43.what is going to happen tonight. At the end of that we won't know for
:33:44. > :33:47.sure because of these wild cards in Pennsylvania, delegates that will go
:33:48. > :33:54.to the convention in Cleveland able to decide who they want to vote for
:33:55. > :34:03.at the very last minute. Talk to me about Indiana. It doesn't vote for a
:34:04. > :34:09.week. How critical does the Donald Trump campaign think winning in
:34:10. > :34:13.Indiana is? To be honest, I think we will spend more time than I talking
:34:14. > :34:23.about Indiana next week than the states voting today. -- than
:34:24. > :34:27.talking. We have had this first-time deal between the rivals of Donald
:34:28. > :34:33.Trump to unite the anti-Trump vote in Indiana. They came to this
:34:34. > :34:44.arrangement, Ted Cruz and Kasich, that Ted Cruz would be the standard
:34:45. > :34:49.bearer. That is how it is shaping up. A head-to-head between Ted Cruz
:34:50. > :34:56.and Donald Trump. In Indiana, if they can't stop him there then they
:34:57. > :35:02.will run out of states where they can. It. So much comes down to
:35:03. > :35:12.Indiana tweak. It creates a problem. -- Indiana next week. It
:35:13. > :35:16.had a big win in Wisconsin but he hasn't won any sense then. Donald
:35:17. > :35:21.Trump will go into Indiana with a win at his back to bite you are a
:35:22. > :35:26.political nerd but I bet you never thought this would come down to
:35:27. > :35:33.Indiana. -- in one we will be back with you soon. Let's go to the
:35:34. > :35:39.battery Clinton campaign in Philadelphia. -- Hilary Clinton. One
:35:40. > :35:44.win under their belt already. Just waiting for another. Everybody here
:35:45. > :35:53.is waiting to see the results come in. Hillary Clinton is expected for
:35:54. > :35:58.four out of five at least with the big one being Philadelphia or
:35:59. > :36:05.Pennsylvania, rather. We are in Philadelphia, the site of the credit
:36:06. > :36:12.convention in July. -- Democratic Convention. She will be speaking
:36:13. > :36:20.here at about nine p.m.. The results from Pennsylvania will not be out by
:36:21. > :36:26.van, but she is winning by a large margin. -- then. She wants to put an
:36:27. > :36:30.end to the momentum of Bernie Sanders. This feels like a Groundhog
:36:31. > :36:36.Day conversation. We have had it so men in times. The Clinton campaign
:36:37. > :36:41.keep hoping the time has come to show that it is mathematically
:36:42. > :36:45.impossible for Senator Sanders to win this nomination. But they do
:36:46. > :36:49.feel that today is the day where they can turn around and say there
:36:50. > :36:56.is simply no real estate, there isn't enough real estate, any more,
:36:57. > :36:58.for Bernie Sanders to win this nomination. But there have been
:36:59. > :37:06.mixed signals coming out of the Bernie Sanders camp in the last day
:37:07. > :37:11.also. One of his strategists says that depending on the results his
:37:12. > :37:19.campaign will be assessed, re-evaluate. And we heard from his
:37:20. > :37:24.wife, Jane Sanders, she said we are not going out, we are staying in
:37:25. > :37:29.until the convention. So what is done will he adopt going forward?
:37:30. > :37:36.That is a question for the night. Will he continue to attack her? They
:37:37. > :37:43.are saying that would be bad for the party. Ms Clinton has already said
:37:44. > :37:49.it is time or them to unite. She has a message of love and kindness in a
:37:50. > :37:54.new advertiser and she has put out trying to appeal to General Election
:37:55. > :37:59.voters as wealth. -- advertisement. -- as well. Donald Trump has swept
:38:00. > :38:06.all five of the states voting the month. A clean sweep for the
:38:07. > :38:14.billionaire politician from New York. Barbara Plett Usher is with
:38:15. > :38:20.the Bernie Sanders campaign in West Virginia. Let's turn back to the
:38:21. > :38:23.Democrats. Bernie Sanders and his campaign are clearly talking about
:38:24. > :38:29.staying in this race right through the California primary is, the last
:38:30. > :38:33.one to be held in June. -- primaries. Is there any feeling in
:38:34. > :38:41.the campaign that they are now hurting The Democratic Party? They
:38:42. > :38:45.haven't expressed that. When I tell the people here about those kinds of
:38:46. > :38:49.things the people on the floor have said they think it is a good thing
:38:50. > :39:00.in this competition, that it is invigorating the Democratic race. It
:39:01. > :39:06.is only good if he continues to pull Lynton to be left. It is interesting
:39:07. > :39:09.the kinds of messages you hear. -- Clinton. He is acknowledging the
:39:10. > :39:14.difficulties he is having in the primary votes. He said it isn't just
:39:15. > :39:19.about the election, it is about transforming the nation, a reference
:39:20. > :39:24.to how he wants to turn this into a lasting political movement if he
:39:25. > :39:30.doesn't get elected. He also talks about his status in how he can do in
:39:31. > :39:33.a General Election. He said they are doing better than Donald Trump and
:39:34. > :39:39.are neck and neck with Hillary Clinton in national polls. He said
:39:40. > :39:45.in a General Election everyone can vote, not just Democrats.
:39:46. > :39:53.Independents that support me can vote. But in order to win the
:39:54. > :39:56.election he has to win enough Democratic support to get the
:39:57. > :40:01.nomination and it looks like won't do that. If you asked the campaign
:40:02. > :40:07.how have they changed the nature of this race in terms of Hillary
:40:08. > :40:11.Clinton's policies, how have you brought her more in line with your
:40:12. > :40:18.positions, more in line with the left, what would they say? I think
:40:19. > :40:22.the most obvious one is that he has all her to the left on issues of
:40:23. > :40:27.financial regulation, she has been more willing to talk about how she
:40:28. > :40:44.would like to whack Wall Street. She has also been more... More umm, more
:40:45. > :40:50.on trade. She said she was going to support the TTP and now she said she
:40:51. > :40:55.will not. He has also said the Tyrann in terms of the $15 an hour
:40:56. > :41:03.minimum wage. -- tone. She hasn't supported it but wants to work did,
:41:04. > :41:06.moving to 12 and then maybe 15. Those kinds of things. That is how
:41:07. > :41:09.they would say they have set the agenda. The issue is that if she
:41:10. > :41:15.goes on to the General Election she will have pulled more to the centre
:41:16. > :41:20.to get a more general vote. Then the question becomes, will Bernie
:41:21. > :41:27.Sanders' supporters fall in behind her all will they stick with the
:41:28. > :41:39.policies she has been expressing? -- or. The other is the democratic dumb
:41:40. > :41:45.act the platform -- the Democratic platform. Presumably that is why he
:41:46. > :41:49.is staying in the race, to have more influence. It sounds a Bernie
:41:50. > :41:53.Sanders is still talking. This looks like a marathon. It has been 20
:41:54. > :42:04.minutes. He certainly has things to say. Hillary Clinton has been
:42:05. > :42:13.projected to have one Delaware and Maryland. What was are Plett Usher
:42:14. > :42:21.saying? -- Barbara. Will supporters rallied to Hillary Clinton? They
:42:22. > :42:27.will go to a person who carries their values. If she can clearly
:42:28. > :42:30.articulate that she shares their values and recognises the fact that
:42:31. > :42:35.we need fundamental change then I think she can convince them. The
:42:36. > :42:43.racism, sexism, homophobia, et cetera, of the Donald Trump
:42:44. > :42:46.campaign, is absolutely revolting. They will fight that demon that
:42:47. > :42:50.lives in the underbelly of this country. But did she thinks moving
:42:51. > :42:54.to the centre is going to win this she is dead wrong. She needs to go
:42:55. > :43:00.to the left of Donald Trump on trade. She needs to work on the
:43:01. > :43:04.minimum wage, the litmus test no one is talking about. If you want to be
:43:05. > :43:09.for the working people and you don't want to raise the Federal minimum
:43:10. > :43:17.wage to $15 an hour, saying, not now... So trade and the minimum
:43:18. > :43:22.wage? I want to see that. Good. If she does that she might win. But if
:43:23. > :43:30.she thinks going to the centre will win they are on. Do you agree?
:43:31. > :43:36.Definitely. -- wrong. She has a problem with the African Americans
:43:37. > :43:46.and white folks. That is all she has. Bernie Sanders has many people
:43:47. > :43:49.dissatisfied with politics. She has been pulled away to the left on
:43:50. > :43:53.trade and minimum wage and a number of issues. The thing about Bernie
:43:54. > :43:58.Sanders is, you may not agree with his policies, but you cannot
:43:59. > :44:04.question his sincerity. Hillary Clinton seems to be doing whatever
:44:05. > :44:13.will, undoubtedly, in her mind, she thinks will win her the election.
:44:14. > :44:23.Was about moving to the left. Come on. The whole country has been
:44:24. > :44:27.pulled so far to the right. Let me say this. Secretary Clinton, when
:44:28. > :44:34.she was Secretary of State, she was... I'm trying to think of the
:44:35. > :44:42.issues, the Keystone pipeline. Wall Street. Had she said anything that
:44:43. > :44:43.would have shifted her to the left from when she might have been
:44:44. > :45:03.otherwise? She won't release transcripts of her
:45:04. > :45:06.speeches. I think she is trying to be a populist, yet another
:45:07. > :45:14.indication of how she will say one thing to get elected and another to
:45:15. > :45:20.get campaign money. Back to tonight's race before the general
:45:21. > :45:27.election. Of the states that have voted today, the five states here in
:45:28. > :45:31.the north-east of the country, explaining to viewers around the
:45:32. > :45:39.world, which of those state in terms of the general election is most
:45:40. > :45:43.interesting? I think Pennsylvania. Like last time round, it could
:45:44. > :45:47.potentially be a swing state? It will most likely be a swing state.
:45:48. > :45:52.The dynamics, the blue-collar workers, what are they going to do?
:45:53. > :45:58.What are the suburban mums going to do? Be to give you some indication.
:45:59. > :46:01.I have a friend who lives outside of Philadelphia, and when I need a
:46:02. > :46:07.focus group of a swing voter I call her and she tracks exactly with the
:46:08. > :46:13.rest of it. You will see where those suburban mums fall. She is with
:46:14. > :46:22.Clinton, because Trump is too obnoxious. There is no way she would
:46:23. > :46:28.go with Ted Cruz. I think they are in a very different dynamic. The
:46:29. > :46:31.state is really decided in the five counties outside of Philadelphia.
:46:32. > :46:36.Single mums will probably decide this election. We will go back to
:46:37. > :46:42.the Ted Cruz campaign. Is anyone else actually still they are? It
:46:43. > :46:51.sounds like the party is over for Ted Cruz. -- there. He came out and
:46:52. > :46:56.spoke and is trying to make the case to recognise that this will be a bad
:46:57. > :47:04.night for him in terms of results. Looking to India, what is the mood
:47:05. > :47:10.in his campaign at the moment? -- Indiana. The phrase he used was that
:47:11. > :47:15.the campaign will move onto more favourable rain. Decoding that it
:47:16. > :47:20.means, I will have a bad night but next week it might be better --
:47:21. > :47:30.terrain. The reason is that this is a pretty conservative place, there
:47:31. > :47:37.is a deal with John Kasich. It gives Ted Cruz a free run. When you look
:47:38. > :47:40.at some of the polling, it is sometimes speculative and tricky.
:47:41. > :47:47.But taking John Kasich out of the territory, Ted Cruz is very close to
:47:48. > :47:54.the margin of error in terms of Donald Trump's lead. He does stand a
:47:55. > :48:06.chance of sleeping quite a lot of the 57 delegates on offer in
:48:07. > :48:13.Indiana. He could not become the nominee, he is 700 shy of that
:48:14. > :48:16.number and there are not even that number of delegates left. What he
:48:17. > :48:23.and John Kasich are trying to do is to stop Donald Trump from getting to
:48:24. > :48:29.that magic number so that we have this open, congested contention by
:48:30. > :48:40.black -- contested convention in Cleveland. What kept crews has been
:48:41. > :48:48.doing is going to state district conventions and making sure that the
:48:49. > :48:55.delegates selected, where their allegiances are after the first
:48:56. > :49:11.vote? -- Ted Cruz. Com Cleveland and a second vote, he will be in with a
:49:12. > :49:18.chance come. Is Donald Trump going to come out to us soon? They just
:49:19. > :49:25.started revving up the music. Last week he walked to his victory party