:00:08. > :00:14.A good evening to our viewers from BBC One, if you're joining us here
:00:15. > :00:17.on the News Channel. That brings to an end the first of a series of
:00:18. > :00:24.debates which we will be seeing over the course of the next four weeks. I
:00:25. > :00:28.hope in some way that has informed you about what choices you have to
:00:29. > :00:32.make. Perhaps you have been able to make a decision tonight. I think you
:00:33. > :00:37.will agree it was a different kind of debate to the one we're used to
:00:38. > :00:40.on BBC question time, more feisty, more interventions from the young
:00:41. > :00:43.people in the audience, and some strong views as well. Let's bring in
:00:44. > :00:49.our political correspondent here in Scotland. It did get quite feisty,
:00:50. > :00:55.maybe the viewers at home would have been surprised by that? It did get
:00:56. > :00:58.really feisty, and in some ways, it was quite good fun to watch the
:00:59. > :01:03.audience members debating with each other. What was most in their minds,
:01:04. > :01:08.what do young people care about the most? Jobs, their future prospects.
:01:09. > :01:12.That was the thing which really came up a lot in this debate, with the
:01:13. > :01:17.different politicians from using them different things about their
:01:18. > :01:25.future. It might be better out, it might be better in.
:01:26. > :01:35.When you listen to the young people, it always comes back to migration?
:01:36. > :01:40.As much as the Remain camp try and keep it away from migration, the
:01:41. > :01:44.factors there are limited jobs in Europe which might write more
:01:45. > :01:49.migration to Britain which might be a concern for young people, even
:01:50. > :01:53.though we are told in the polls it is not such a concern for them? That
:01:54. > :01:59.is a point which comes up again and again. It is the point that Liam Fox
:02:00. > :02:03.kept making. He wanted controlled migration and that came down two
:02:04. > :02:07.jobs. These young people were picking up on housing, an issue
:02:08. > :02:12.which we might not have thought would be a big issue in the European
:02:13. > :02:22.Union but obviously, migration, a lack of housing, young people saying
:02:23. > :02:25.I cannot afford my own home, what does controlled migration mean for
:02:26. > :02:31.me? Is it more likely I could get a home to live in. The debate did
:02:32. > :02:35.start with the issue of jobs, question of whether there would be
:02:36. > :02:40.more jobs if Britain stayed in Europe. Let's get the views from
:02:41. > :02:45.Diane James from Ukip and Alex Salmond from the SNP. I think you
:02:46. > :02:47.stand a far better chance of a good job, a job where you are not
:02:48. > :02:55.competing with potentially thousands of other European nations, if we
:02:56. > :03:01.leave the European Union. We had 2.2 million EU workers here already.
:03:02. > :03:08.They take effectively UK jobs. We have stubbornly high UK employment
:03:09. > :03:16.-- and employment. We have unacceptably high youth
:03:17. > :03:25.unemployment. Just do the maths. We have 2.2 million foreigners here. If
:03:26. > :03:30.we continue as an EU member state, you only have to look at the
:03:31. > :03:34.employment market for young people in the southern Mediterranean
:03:35. > :03:38.countries, there are 53% unemployment rates, for people like
:03:39. > :03:42.you, your age group. There has to be a case of come out, to guarantee
:03:43. > :03:45.yourself a really good job, to guarantee yourself a job and one you
:03:46. > :03:49.do not have to compete for. I don't go with the scaremongering
:03:50. > :03:51.stuff incidentally, and you mentioned the Treasury
:03:52. > :03:54.and the Bank of England The Treasury says it's going to be
:03:55. > :03:57.apocalypse if Britain But I do believe what the Bank
:03:58. > :04:02.of England says, which is that there will be less growth and less jobs,
:04:03. > :04:05.and the bulk of independent So I think staying
:04:06. > :04:08.in the European Union because of the single market,
:04:09. > :04:10.because of prosperity, means more jobs and therefore
:04:11. > :04:13.you have a better chance of a job. But there's one other
:04:14. > :04:15.aspect to this. Being in the European Union means
:04:16. > :04:20.not just a single market of 500, it's a community
:04:21. > :04:23.of 500 million people. You've got the ability to go
:04:24. > :04:26.and travel, to work, to visit without a visa,
:04:27. > :04:29.so you can go into Barcelona You've got the whole of that
:04:30. > :04:35.European community at your disposal, and a qualified person
:04:36. > :04:38.in particular has an excellent To answer your question,
:04:39. > :04:42.the straight answer, is it wouldn't be an economic
:04:43. > :04:45.apocalypse if we left the European Union, but there's more
:04:46. > :04:59.jobs and more chances if we stay in. A good point that Alex Salmond
:05:00. > :05:03.makes, particularly pertinent to young people who are more disposed
:05:04. > :05:08.to going abroad, working in Europe, footloose and fancy free and able to
:05:09. > :05:13.do that. Many speak languages and perhaps some of them were swayed by
:05:14. > :05:16.that argument that there is a community of 500 million people.
:05:17. > :05:22.Where you swayed by the jobs argument from the Remain camp? It
:05:23. > :05:26.was interesting watching that. This argument about the EU does come down
:05:27. > :05:29.to the economy and that is what Diane James was saying as well. If
:05:30. > :05:36.you leave, there is more chance of you getting a good job in the UK
:05:37. > :05:40.than us being in the EU. That Alex Salmond picks up on this point, it
:05:41. > :05:45.is a point the SNP have been picking up on, don't believe the
:05:46. > :05:50.scaremongering stories from the Leave side. He was also picking up,
:05:51. > :05:53.don't believe the scaremongering from the remain camp as well.
:05:54. > :06:02.Picking up on the point the Chancellor has been making. That is
:06:03. > :06:06.right, the Treasury paper. The SNP were criticising it and Alex Salmond
:06:07. > :06:10.said, you need to make this positive argument for staying in the European
:06:11. > :06:14.Union. You need to have that positive aspect to it but these guys
:06:15. > :06:20.are really concerned about jobs and the economy. You say the debate here
:06:21. > :06:25.north of the border has been a bit dull. You wanted some passion and my
:06:26. > :06:30.word, it got a bit passionate at times. Let's hear a clip from Louise
:06:31. > :06:37.in pool talking about the shortage of housing. She said her mother
:06:38. > :06:43.wanted a bungalow and they could not afford to buy one. Emily and her mum
:06:44. > :06:48.to realise the UK Government other people who should build council
:06:49. > :06:53.houses. The European Union are not a scapegoat for you to blame. I didn't
:06:54. > :06:59.actually say I am blaming them, I am saying at the moment, that is the
:07:00. > :07:05.issue. It is an issue at the moment. Go to your local MP! We have tried
:07:06. > :07:09.to. And another thing, we have a housing shortage now, the more we
:07:10. > :07:15.let in, the less houses we will have to house them, so how do you work
:07:16. > :07:21.that out? It is a funny -- it is funny how you have selected memory,
:07:22. > :07:29.there are a lot of families like mine who are immigrants who have
:07:30. > :07:33.built this nation... That was Louise there making some very forceful
:07:34. > :07:39.points. It was interesting, Andrew, just watching the bait, you got a
:07:40. > :07:43.surprising input from young people. The Chancellor said there is a real
:07:44. > :07:47.danger that house prices will collapse if we leave the European
:07:48. > :07:53.Union and one person said, maybe that is a good thing because I
:07:54. > :07:56.cannot afford housing. That is right. That was Michael from Glasgow
:07:57. > :07:59.who is a cleaner. He said people of his age have no chance of buying
:08:00. > :08:06.house with the way house prices are and it may not be a bad thing if
:08:07. > :08:09.house prices came down. Alex Salmond of the SNP again picked up on that
:08:10. > :08:13.point and he was talking about the need for a positive vision. Another
:08:14. > :08:18.issue that kept coming up as well was about study opportunities
:08:19. > :08:23.abroad. Will Young people be able to study and move abroad as well if the
:08:24. > :08:28.UK leaves the EU without a visa. Liam Fox said his father was a
:08:29. > :08:33.French and Spanish teacher and he went on holidays to France and Spain
:08:34. > :08:40.when he was younger and Visa travel was no problem. Alan Johnson from
:08:41. > :08:43.Labour, the former Home Secretary, made an interesting point. He said
:08:44. > :08:50.how do you differentiate from a Polish plumber and a Polish tourist
:08:51. > :08:53.and the fact is, you might need some visa controls in the United Kingdom
:08:54. > :08:56.if we were to leave the European Union. And back came the response
:08:57. > :08:59.from Diane James that they don't have the answers. Of course they
:09:00. > :09:07.don't have the answers because it will come after negotiations. Diane
:09:08. > :09:11.James was criticising the Prime Minister who has not made any
:09:12. > :09:17.planning for coming out of the European Union. It was the same here
:09:18. > :09:23.with the referendum in Scotland. The UK civil service were not planning
:09:24. > :09:29.for Scotland to leave the United Kingdom. So they have not done any
:09:30. > :09:34.planning for leaving the EU. Liam Fox said if you are planning schools
:09:35. > :09:38.and hospitals you need to know the numbers of people coming into the
:09:39. > :09:41.country and it is difficult if you have free movement of people. Let's
:09:42. > :09:49.listen to the response from Alan Johnson of Labour. This is a crucial
:09:50. > :09:53.issue about whether if we were outside the European Union we would
:09:54. > :09:58.be visas to travel. At the moment we can go anywhere within the European
:09:59. > :10:02.Union. It is a two-way process. No other countries has more of its
:10:03. > :10:05.citizens living and working in other developed countries than Great
:10:06. > :10:09.Britain. If we were not to have visas and Diane, you said we would
:10:10. > :10:14.not, to go on holiday or for people to come here, there are 2.5 million
:10:15. > :10:19.tourists who come to Scotland every year. How will you differentiate
:10:20. > :10:25.between the Polish plumber and the Polish tourist? It means surely a
:10:26. > :10:28.system of visas. If you have not got a system of visas, you will be
:10:29. > :10:33.telling people we will. Free movement but you will not introduce
:10:34. > :10:37.visas so free movement. The there and you also, incidentally, unless
:10:38. > :10:40.you put a border and watchtowers on the border between the Republic of
:10:41. > :10:43.Ireland and Northern Ireland, you will have people coming across
:10:44. > :10:49.there, because it will be an EU country and a non-EU country. Alan
:10:50. > :10:54.Johnson they're making his point about migration. Let's see if he
:10:55. > :10:58.changed any opinions. We have a whole host of people from the
:10:59. > :11:05.audience. Some of them you might have seen earlier from our
:11:06. > :11:10.broadcasting. You are from Clapham in London. Did it change any views?
:11:11. > :11:17.Yes, it changed my mind and I have made up my mind. I will remain in
:11:18. > :11:22.the EU. What about you, Lauren? I will also stay. I thought the No
:11:23. > :11:27.campaign would have to put across a compelling argument and I don't
:11:28. > :11:31.think they did that. What was particularly that changed your mind?
:11:32. > :11:34.I came here to see the views of other young people and what they
:11:35. > :11:41.thought about leaving staying in the EU, and most of the people from the
:11:42. > :11:45.Leave side, they were so self-centred and I did not think
:11:46. > :11:50.they were thinking about what is good for British people as a whole.
:11:51. > :11:54.So it is your peers who have changed your mind and not the politicians?
:11:55. > :12:00.Maybe there is something in that. Lauren, that has been a lot of talk
:12:01. > :12:04.on Twitter about the debate, it is very different for some people from
:12:05. > :12:08.Question Time. Does it encourage you that young people get so enamoured
:12:09. > :12:15.by the debate? Yes, I think young people often make it a very emotive
:12:16. > :12:20.debate. It is relevant to them. It is good to hear the views without
:12:21. > :12:25.the scaremongering. Here is Benjamin Nisbet who I was talking to earlier.
:12:26. > :12:29.You were really in a quandary about whether to remain or leave, have you
:12:30. > :12:35.decided? It has provided some much-needed clarity on the topic. I
:12:36. > :12:41.was not sure how each side would come across. I think the Leave
:12:42. > :12:44.campaign were quite harsh on some of their policies. Was it the
:12:45. > :12:48.politicians or the audience? There was a moment for me when we were
:12:49. > :12:52.discussing the pettiness of the whole campaign as a whole and it
:12:53. > :13:02.descended into madness. I thought, who's to blame here? For me, it was
:13:03. > :13:05.very clear. So you are now Remain? I am leaning that way. I don't think
:13:06. > :13:08.we need a hard-line approach on immigration. A lot of what was said
:13:09. > :13:13.was presumptuous. We should not prioritise some races over others.
:13:14. > :13:18.Where you swayed at all by the arguments about if you do not know
:13:19. > :13:22.the numbers coming in, you cannot plan how many hospitals or schools
:13:23. > :13:27.to build? I think on the basis that we are being told people from the
:13:28. > :13:31.Commonwealth should have priority in health care, saying that we would
:13:32. > :13:35.prefer you to other races, that is discrimination in itself and I would
:13:36. > :13:42.not want to support any campaign which endorses that. You were also
:13:43. > :13:49.undecided? Also undecided. What did you make of the debate? It was very
:13:50. > :13:54.feisty. The Leave side got quite aggressive. I think using the
:13:55. > :13:58.aggression, it embodies more of the project fear which we saw in the
:13:59. > :14:03.Scottish referendum. Some would say that is what we need, bit of passion
:14:04. > :14:09.because it is the most important direction that Britain will take.
:14:10. > :14:22.Yes, but I would rather see more of the benefits of staying in the EU.
:14:23. > :14:27.And there was a discussion about administration, it is not a reason
:14:28. > :14:35.for us to leave. You were undecided and now? I was undecided but now
:14:36. > :14:42.more on the side of Remain. Goodness me! Let's hear from James, finally.
:14:43. > :14:50.Are you undecided? I am still undecided. Why are you still
:14:51. > :14:56.undecided? The two sides are still producing sound bites. Myself, I
:14:57. > :15:01.don't know anything about the European Union. I am currently a
:15:02. > :15:10.student in Liverpool. There are buildings which are funded by the
:15:11. > :15:16.EU. It has not been talked about as one of the benefits. I am pleased to
:15:17. > :15:22.say there are two more big debates to come on the 15th and 19th of June
:15:23. > :15:28.and an unprecedented debate two days before the vote at Wembley Arena. If
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