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:00:00. > :00:12.homes after being evacuated during earlier eruptions. That's it from

:00:13. > :00:15.me. Welcome to the ball. Could the talent band capture Afghan is done

:00:16. > :00:20.again when Americans and British leave at the end of this year. Are

:00:21. > :00:26.the downsides to being upwardly mobile? Would Scottish independence

:00:27. > :00:47.be bad for sport in Scotland and the rest of Britain? Afghanistan has

:00:48. > :00:54.gone through some terrible fighting. And many extra ordinary changes in

:00:55. > :01:00.Mac at the last 30 years. From 1996 to 2001 it was ruled by the Taliban,

:01:01. > :01:03.who turned it into the most extreme religious state on earth. When I

:01:04. > :01:06.used to come here during those years you could be worth or executed for

:01:07. > :01:11.showing an ankle, whistling a tune or having a pet of a living

:01:12. > :01:17.creature. There was little electricity and almost no tral. At

:01:18. > :01:24.night, a notice the loudest sound was the barking of dogs and the only

:01:25. > :01:28.light came from candles. When the Taliban were driven out in 2001, I

:01:29. > :01:33.assumed they were completely finished. But when the British and

:01:34. > :01:40.Americans leave at the end of this year, is there a chance the Taliban

:01:41. > :01:53.mate actually comeback? -- may actually comeback. Most people

:01:54. > :02:01.outside Afghanistan feel they know what has gone on here. The

:02:02. > :02:06.assumption is the British and Americans, ignoring all the warnings

:02:07. > :02:11.of history, came bursting in, fought an unnecessary war, infuriated the

:02:12. > :02:21.inhabitants and are now leaving with tails between their legs. But if

:02:22. > :02:25.this is true, how come so many people here are hoping President

:02:26. > :02:35.Karzai will sign a new security deal with the Americans to keep some

:02:36. > :02:38.American troops here. If the British and Americans are here, the Afghan

:02:39. > :02:43.economy is strong. Otherwise, it is weak. Tell them to sign the

:02:44. > :02:48.agreement, then Afghanistan will be peaceful. Other wise it will not.

:02:49. > :02:57.When you leave, there will be an key again. -- Anakie. What did the

:02:58. > :03:02.Taliban do here? They oppressed people. Beating them with cables.

:03:03. > :03:07.People could not work. In the name of Muslim, they killed hundreds of

:03:08. > :03:11.people every day. 100% I am worried and the people are worried.

:03:12. > :03:26.Everybody is concerned, young and old. They are worried about the

:03:27. > :03:29.Taliban coming back. After 35 dreadful years of chaos and civil

:03:30. > :03:34.war, things are starting to improve. Entrepreneurs and

:03:35. > :03:39.businessmen, even some businesswomen are setting up here. We went to the

:03:40. > :03:44.trading rooms of a new Afghan conglomerate. Here they are looking

:03:45. > :03:53.forward rather than to the past. My concern is not returning to the

:03:54. > :03:56.90s. My main concern is Will my government implement more investor

:03:57. > :04:01.friendly policies for myself to continue the business and grow. We

:04:02. > :04:09.have come a long way for us to return back to the 90s or the early

:04:10. > :04:17.to thousands. I'm not going to roll out a bumpy road ahead. Going back

:04:18. > :04:26.to a civil war seems a far sayonara right now. The reality is different

:04:27. > :04:29.on the ground. -- fast scenario. The Taliban believe women should be kept

:04:30. > :04:36.out of sight in doors. They certainly do not want them to get an

:04:37. > :04:40.education. We have distributed the papers to you. If you have any

:04:41. > :04:47.questions related to the examination ask me. At this private university

:04:48. > :04:51.in two, the veil covering the head and placed as the rule. But not even

:04:52. > :04:59.the more Islamist students want to see the Taliban back. They would

:05:00. > :05:08.limit the freedom of women. As Lum lets us free to study, to work and

:05:09. > :05:15.lets us to go anywhere we want. Taliban will take these rights from

:05:16. > :05:19.us. We Afghans, as Muslims, we want Islamist government. Nothing else.

:05:20. > :05:24.Otherwise, as they did before, they come back to power, they do the

:05:25. > :05:34.things they did before. We do not want them. They should not come

:05:35. > :05:37.back. Kabul is not like Baghdad. It is not usually dangerous for

:05:38. > :05:40.Westerners to be out on the street. Although there have been plenty of

:05:41. > :05:45.suicide bombings over the past few years, the police managed to keep

:05:46. > :05:49.the violence level here under control. We are driving to the

:05:50. > :06:03.headquarters of the police rapid reaction force. The Americans have

:06:04. > :06:08.trained and equipped them well, they are a pretty impressive group.

:06:09. > :06:12.Before, the police were feeble and easily bought. Now they are much

:06:13. > :06:21.more formidable and the commanders are more confident as a result. We

:06:22. > :06:26.are not scared of the Taliban or criminals. Around the clock we are

:06:27. > :06:32.searching for them. Wherever we find their networks we will immediately

:06:33. > :06:36.destroy them. Could you imagine the possibility the Ben Cousins might

:06:37. > :06:45.come back and take power again? -- Taliban. They will never come back.

:06:46. > :06:48.They wander endlessly scrapping. The army and police are able to destroy

:06:49. > :07:00.them immediately. God willing, we have no concerns. They face a real

:07:01. > :07:07.and growing challenge as the recent restaurant warming in Kabul has

:07:08. > :07:11.shows. But over the years, they have proved quite effective at the

:07:12. > :07:20.difficult job of combating Taliban infiltration in Kabul. Is it the

:07:21. > :07:27.same in the country? It depends where you go. In places like Helmand

:07:28. > :07:31.province, Taliban have thoroughly established themselves in spite of

:07:32. > :07:37.British and American intervention. This part of it is not safe for

:07:38. > :07:47.Westerners. We asked an Afghan cameraman to film for us here. It is

:07:48. > :07:52.classic guerrilla territory. Patrols are sniped at and roadside bombs set

:07:53. > :08:02.for them. They have just discovered a cache of explosives. Government

:08:03. > :08:08.controls the roads, the Taliban have the run of the hinterland. When the

:08:09. > :08:14.Western troops leave, will the Taliban be able to take over? Most

:08:15. > :08:22.people would say no. What we do not want here is what --. What we do not

:08:23. > :08:24.know now is what the Taliban thing. They have not given a formal

:08:25. > :08:31.interview for a year. A spokesman agreed to talk to us by phone. Parts

:08:32. > :08:34.of Helmand province are under our control. The areas under control of

:08:35. > :08:39.the enemy, it is like a checkpoint and they cannot get out of them.

:08:40. > :08:43.They cannot move freely. The places which are far away from the centres

:08:44. > :08:50.are under our control. The presence of the Taliban is completely clear.

:08:51. > :08:57.Do you really think the Taliban will ever take power again? We are

:08:58. > :09:00.confident of victory. From a historical point of view,

:09:01. > :09:04.Afghanistan has always defeated occupiers. We are certain they will

:09:05. > :09:09.be defeated and the Afghan people will again bring about an Islamic

:09:10. > :09:16.system, according to their wishes. Would the Taliban bring back those

:09:17. > :09:21.same kind of extreme punishments that were obvious in Afghanistan

:09:22. > :09:25.from 1996? There cannot be changed because the Islamist law is

:09:26. > :09:29.constant. When there is a crime we have to implement as Lum Chari. Of

:09:30. > :09:33.course that will be changes in behaviour but the law will be as

:09:34. > :09:40.before. We are sure that society is ready for this. Afterwards, thinking

:09:41. > :09:46.it over, I felt that although a lot of this was propaganda, we should

:09:47. > :09:49.not altogether forget that when the Taliban made similar claims in

:09:50. > :09:56.Machrie early 90s, they would just laughed at. In some ways, the

:09:57. > :10:02.reality of African -- of Afghanis reverse of what outsiders reckon.

:10:03. > :10:07.The Westerners are desperate to get the troops out and a large number of

:10:08. > :10:09.Athens prefer them to stay. There is a good chance that the British and

:10:10. > :10:15.Americans will just forget about Afghanistan. That is what happened

:10:16. > :10:20.in Iraq after all. Ever since the 1970s, whenever the outside world

:10:21. > :10:35.has ignored Afghanistan, disaster has invariably followed. This is the

:10:36. > :10:38.most expensive part of Kabul. The houses may not look all that Mark

:10:39. > :10:46.but they will set you back $1 million. They are often amazingly

:10:47. > :10:50.furnished inside. It is a natural human instinct for us to want to do

:10:51. > :10:54.better for ourselves and our children. We call it social

:10:55. > :11:01.mobility. But does that involve cutting yourself from your roots,

:11:02. > :11:12.your past, your family? Our contributing editor wonders of being

:11:13. > :11:17.upwardly mobile has its downsides. The upside is of opportunity are

:11:18. > :11:22.obvious, are the downsides to social mobility as will? Moving out of the

:11:23. > :11:27.cast you were born in two could be like a 1-way ticket. You leave

:11:28. > :11:34.behind family, friends and culture. It could be a rupture with the past.

:11:35. > :11:38.It is a story very familiar to this man. He is now a successful writer.

:11:39. > :11:43.He was brought up here, in Motherwell their Glasgow. In the

:11:44. > :11:51.shadow of the Ravenscraig steel is works were as father worked until

:11:52. > :11:54.the shut ten years ago. As child was poor and sometimes brutal. One of

:11:55. > :11:59.his mother's partners was often violent to him. He remains loyal to

:12:00. > :12:05.his family but he was clever and aspire to more. Back at his old

:12:06. > :12:09.secondary school, he was celebrated as one to watch. He is left behind

:12:10. > :12:17.now and become part of litter every London. His past life haunted. Last

:12:18. > :12:21.year he his memoir. A dark and touching account of growing up in

:12:22. > :12:30.Margaret Thatcher's Scotland in the zone to 80s. The culture I grew up

:12:31. > :12:38.in was very macho. Very homophobic. I could see where I was from. I knew

:12:39. > :12:43.that was not whereupon to to be. The question we are asking as are the

:12:44. > :12:48.downsides to social mobility? There are. You pay a price. Social

:12:49. > :12:55.mobility has a tack. An emotional is. Everybody who has made that

:12:56. > :13:02.progression up or down, has had to pay. When you went to university, it

:13:03. > :13:05.was as if you had a presentiment of the fact you were going to be

:13:06. > :13:14.separated from your family. Not just physically but in all sorts of ways?

:13:15. > :13:20.My father drove me to Edinburgh and I cried all the way there. He did

:13:21. > :13:23.too. This is what I wanted. My dream come true. I'm going to a

:13:24. > :13:31.university. I will become a journalist. Yet, I felt sad. I felt

:13:32. > :13:39.lost. I was grieving. I knew there and then, I was leaving them behind.

:13:40. > :13:46.It was a kind of grief. What of not just people but places left behind.

:13:47. > :13:49.Barely in Lancashire suffered a slow decline at over many years as

:13:50. > :13:58.ambitious young people left. -- Burnley. A reporter macro 2010

:13:59. > :14:03.single it out as having the highest proportion of low skilled workers in

:14:04. > :14:08.Britain. Last year it suffered the indignity of being named in the

:14:09. > :14:16.Economist as a decaying city. It said its people should be helped to

:14:17. > :14:22.move to find jobs. Empty houses, abandoned streets -

:14:23. > :14:25.the signs of an exodus from Burnley are all around. This is a previously

:14:26. > :14:27.proud community that's suffered badly. And skilled and talented

:14:28. > :14:42.people have simply moved on. But Steve Rumbelo, the chief

:14:43. > :14:47.executive of the council, says there are exciting things going on in

:14:48. > :14:52.Burnley now. And this university technical college, built in one of

:14:53. > :14:57.the city's cotton mill, is a case in point. Teecialgs here are --

:14:58. > :15:01.teenagers here are taught the technical skills they need to

:15:02. > :15:04.progress. The problems being about job, frankly, and about to some

:15:05. > :15:10.extent that's linked to education. So, young people, particularly, but

:15:11. > :15:16.the general population too, have, when they've had opportunities to

:15:17. > :15:22.become economically active outside the area, that's led them to move

:15:23. > :15:26.away. There was a flight of middle classes from Burnley? I wouldn't

:15:27. > :15:30.characterise it as that. I would characterise it as a flight of

:15:31. > :15:33.people that could get economically active again. And that led them

:15:34. > :15:39.elsewhere. And that's, I think, the reality. The key to all this is to

:15:40. > :15:42.make sure the opportunities exist. We're doing that and that should

:15:43. > :15:48.turn into an upturn in population over the next ten years.

:15:49. > :15:56.Right. Fair enough. It's not true! Terry Christian shot to fame in the

:15:57. > :16:02.early 1990s as a presenter on the cult youth show The Word. He's a

:16:03. > :16:05.Lancashire man, born and brought up in Manchester. And he still lives

:16:06. > :16:10.here, having never wanted the sort of life he saw in London. He's had a

:16:11. > :16:15.successful career in the media and is, well, a little conflicted about

:16:16. > :16:19.what he is now. So, Terry, you're a middle-class boy now, are you? Well,

:16:20. > :16:26.I suppose in terms of my lifestyle, you know, sort of ground coffee

:16:27. > :16:29.rather than instant, living in leafy Cheshire yes. And then people call

:16:30. > :16:33.you a champagne socialist and everything. But I have never felt

:16:34. > :16:38.anything other than working-class. In some ways, you took your values

:16:39. > :16:41.from the area that you grew up in. And also your kind of respect for

:16:42. > :16:46.people. So, we're asking the question - are there down sides to

:16:47. > :16:49.social mobility? I think there are from a personal perspective. When

:16:50. > :16:55.you get to that promised land, it's not all that it's cracked up to be.

:16:56. > :16:59.It seems that the assets or the skill sets that will help you become

:17:00. > :17:04.socially mobile aren't about being smart or good at your job. It's all

:17:05. > :17:10.about being ambitious, greedy and very competitive. Up sound quite

:17:11. > :17:14.contemptuous of social mobility? I'm contemptuous of the model that we've

:17:15. > :17:18.got of social mobility. This idea - why can't you be socially mobile by

:17:19. > :17:22.being brilliant at caring for people? Profit is all that matters.

:17:23. > :17:24.People making money is all that matters. Everything else, well, it's

:17:25. > :17:39.nonsense. It's a reminder to all of us

:17:40. > :17:44.pursuing a better life that it can lead to a loss of identity, or to

:17:45. > :17:47.civic decline, or simply, perhaps, to a sense of disenchantment.

:17:48. > :17:52.Opportunity and achievement remain great, but sometimes, it seems,

:17:53. > :17:54.social mobility can bring a whole new set of challenges all of its

:17:55. > :18:09.own. This is the National Football

:18:10. > :18:13.Stadium in Kabul, a place of both evil memory and of hope. Evil

:18:14. > :18:20.because this is where the Taliban used to execute their prisoners.

:18:21. > :18:24.Hope because Afghanistan started playing international matches here

:18:25. > :18:29.and has just been given FIFA's coveted Fair Play Award for doing

:18:30. > :18:32.it. Afghanistan isn't exactly a sporting giant, of course. But, like

:18:33. > :18:39.everyone else t will soon start thinking about the team it will send

:18:40. > :18:44.to the 2016 Olympics. And those Olympics will have real significance

:18:45. > :18:48.for the United Kingdom, of course, with a referendum on Scottish

:18:49. > :18:51.independence due later this year there is a genuine possibility that

:18:52. > :18:56.Scotland will be represented separately from England, Wales and

:18:57. > :19:00.Northern Ireland at the Olympics. But would that actually be good for

:19:01. > :19:08.sport in Scotland and the rest of Britain? The question for our sports

:19:09. > :19:11.editor, David Bond. CHEERING

:19:12. > :19:14.Could London be the last time we see this?

:19:15. > :19:18.CHEERING Athletes from England, Wales,

:19:19. > :19:24.Northern Ireland and Scotland united for an Olympic victory parade.

:19:25. > :19:31.The summer of 2012 was not only a record-breaking time for British

:19:32. > :19:37.Olympians and Paralympians. It marked a special moment in the --

:19:38. > :19:45.and the whole of the UK seemed to come together behind our athletes.

:19:46. > :19:54.Later this year, Scotland will be asked whether it wants to go its own

:19:55. > :20:01.way. I suppose sport may not be as important as questions of defence or

:20:02. > :20:08.the economy. But for many people, it can stir far deeper passions. Sport

:20:09. > :20:12.here in Scotland is seen as a great source of national pride. And for

:20:13. > :20:18.some the referendum in September is viewed as an opportunity to build on

:20:19. > :20:22.that sense of national identity. But pulling Scotland out of the British

:20:23. > :20:30.sports system is still a huge leap into the unknown.

:20:31. > :20:34.Sir Matthew Pinsant, one of Britain's greatist-ever Olympians,

:20:35. > :20:39.is worried about the future of Team GB without Scottish involvement. The

:20:40. > :20:43.difficulty is trying to imagine a scenario where they would be the

:20:44. > :20:46.same, separated off from Britain. And Team GW would definitely feel

:20:47. > :20:54.their loss. -- and Team GB would definitely feel

:20:55. > :20:59.their loss. Imogen is one of Great Britain's leading badminton players.

:21:00. > :21:05.She's tipped to win a medal for Scotland in the Commonwealth Games

:21:06. > :21:11.in Glasgow this summer. Like all much Scotland's top sports

:21:12. > :21:16.stars, she has the luxury of choice. She can stay in Scotland at the same

:21:17. > :21:19.time as tapping into the far better-resourced UK elite system.

:21:20. > :21:25.Would you describe yourself as a Scot or a Brit or both? How do you

:21:26. > :21:29.see that? Um, both. Obviously I represent Scotland. I'm a Scottish

:21:30. > :21:33.badminton player and I live here. But similarly, I have spent more of

:21:34. > :21:38.my adult life living in England. I trained in England. I had an English

:21:39. > :21:43.partner when I competed for Team GB, so very much I feel British as well.

:21:44. > :21:46.So, I feel like I have a dual identity in that sense. You like

:21:47. > :21:51.that? Yeah. You want that to stay the same? Well, I think - again, I

:21:52. > :21:54.think we have the best of both worlds. You know, to compete for

:21:55. > :21:56.Scotland in the Commonwealth Games but also just to have the

:21:57. > :22:03.opportunity to represent Great Britain as part of Team GB. So,

:22:04. > :22:12.that's how it is for me. At the Edinburgh Track Club, they

:22:13. > :22:19.have been producing top athletes for years. The 1980 Olympic gold

:22:20. > :22:23.medallist, Alan Wells, started here. Money is already tight and there are

:22:24. > :22:28.deep concerns at what might happen to the next generation if an

:22:29. > :22:33.independent Scotland struggled to maintain current funding levels.

:22:34. > :22:38.Bill Walker is the club's head coach. And at the moment, you know,

:22:39. > :22:42.the money - we get a lot of the support from England, the coaches.

:22:43. > :22:48.They come up here and give us a lot of help. And we don't have the depth

:22:49. > :22:52.of coaches at a high level in Scotland or the depth of athletes to

:22:53. > :22:57.cover all the events. We've got good athletes, but not in every event.

:22:58. > :23:01.And to put a team together will be difficult.

:23:02. > :23:05.But what does the possible end of Team GB mean for those young Scots

:23:06. > :23:12.dreaming of competing in the Olympics? The thing is that the one

:23:13. > :23:15.vote for yes is Scotland can compete on one stage at the Olympics if they

:23:16. > :23:20.were allowed to. So, for me, that could be mime only chance as a

:23:21. > :23:24.sprinter. It kind of gives you a lot more respect if you compete for Team

:23:25. > :23:30.GB as well. Competing for Scotland is good, but it's... Up kind of get

:23:31. > :23:35.a lot more honour and stuff if you're Team GB.

:23:36. > :23:41.For now, thoughts of the Olympics are taking a back seat. In July,

:23:42. > :23:45.Glasgow will host the Commonwealth Games and provide Scots with another

:23:46. > :23:51.opportunity to perform in front of a home crowd.

:23:52. > :23:56.This brand-new velodrome will be one of the main attractions during this

:23:57. > :23:58.summer's Commonwealth Games. And the Scottish Government hope that the

:23:59. > :24:02.national passion that will be generated here will have a big

:24:03. > :24:06.impact on the referendum. Well, I think sport - there's a

:24:07. > :24:11.range of issue that is people are concerned with in terms of the...

:24:12. > :24:15.The former first minister, Henny McLeish, is leading a Scottish

:24:16. > :24:19.government study into the future of sport. He's confident that when it

:24:20. > :24:22.comes to sport, an independent Scotland would be able to stand on

:24:23. > :24:27.its own two feet. Being a small country is not a barrier to being a

:24:28. > :24:31.successful country. It will be as big as their imagination and

:24:32. > :24:34.ambition wants to be. Therefore, whether it's yes or no in September,

:24:35. > :24:39.I believe that Scotland will have a great sporting future. Even if

:24:40. > :24:43.Scotland votes yes, athletes will be given the choice to compete for a

:24:44. > :24:50.new Team Scotland or stick with Team GB. For some, it raises the prospect

:24:51. > :24:54.of a very difficult decision. I believe that many of those

:24:55. > :24:58.athletes will want to compete for Team Scotland on the first Olympic

:24:59. > :25:01.team that Scotland would produce. So there would just be such an

:25:02. > :25:06.excitement around that. But ultimately, if our athletes choose

:25:07. > :25:10.to go elsewhere, that's a matter for them if they qualified for Team GB,

:25:11. > :25:15.that would be a matter for them. But I have no doubt whatsoever that the

:25:16. > :25:20.excitement of competing for a Scottish Olympic team would be a

:25:21. > :25:26.huge draw for many, many athletes in Scotland.

:25:27. > :25:31.This debate about sporting identity reflects the far wider questions

:25:32. > :25:36.facing this country. But whichever way the vote goes, one senses 2014

:25:37. > :25:37.will not only be a big year for Scottish sport, it could be an

:25:38. > :25:52.important one for British sport too. That's it from this Kabul edition of

:25:53. > :26:11.The Editors. Until we meet again, goodbye.

:26:12. > :26:16.Hello. After much of the UK endured a stormy start to the weekend,

:26:17. > :26:20.something a little bit more bearable in the day ahead. It will still be

:26:21. > :26:24.windy, just not as windy. There will be fewer showers around, so more of

:26:25. > :26:27.us will stay dry. There will be sunshine too. From the word go,

:26:28. > :26:32.still windy across Scotland. Plenty of showers, snow over hills. Icy

:26:33. > :26:33.start across parts of Scotland too. The showers easing a