Episode 12

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:00:00. > :00:16.Welcome to Whitehall in central London. A century after 1914, is

:00:17. > :00:20.another world War a possibility? Is the world economy really

:00:21. > :00:41.recovering? And has Britain cut its defences too far and too deeply?

:00:42. > :00:50.The Cenotaph in Whitehall, one of the finest designs in the modern

:00:51. > :00:54.world, stark and elegant. Everything in all of our lives is still

:00:55. > :00:58.affected one way or another by the First World War, that dreadful

:00:59. > :01:03.process that dragged the mostly peaceful continent of Europe into a

:01:04. > :01:10.conflict which, on and off, went on for 31 years, from 1914 to 1945.

:01:11. > :01:18.Without it, there would presumably have been no nazism, no Stalinism,

:01:19. > :01:24.no Cold War, and yet modern, total war always brings sociologically and

:01:25. > :01:29.technological advances. Women's writes, increasingly powerful

:01:30. > :01:33.aircrafts, computers, drones. But we have got past that stage now,

:01:34. > :01:43.haven't we? World War? Haven't we? I wish I could be sure of that.

:01:44. > :02:02.From 1914 to 1918, around 10 million soldiers on all sides died.

:02:03. > :02:12.Afterwards, people thought it would make war on impossible. In fact,

:02:13. > :02:17.there have been 300 wars since then. This is trying pot, just one of

:02:18. > :02:26.1,000 cemeteries on the Western front.

:02:27. > :02:34.The First World War was fought at exactly the wrong moment in

:02:35. > :02:37.history. There were mass systems of transport and control, but no

:02:38. > :02:45.radios, no heavy aircraft, no effective means of countering

:02:46. > :02:55.artillery and machine gun. Peace and optimism of the 19th century ended

:02:56. > :03:03.here in misery and squalor. There is peace and optimism now. Could this

:03:04. > :03:09.end like that did? I went to Oxford to talk it over with Britain's for

:03:10. > :03:17.most war historian, of all souls College. Warfare of the 1914 kind

:03:18. > :03:24.won't happen again, just because most states have moved away from

:03:25. > :03:27.mass armies. And most states are able to use technologies in much

:03:28. > :03:34.more precise ways than they were able to use them in 1914-18. One

:03:35. > :03:42.argument would be that a combination of unmanned vehicles of one sort or

:03:43. > :03:49.another, robots, and others of cyber, create alternative ways of

:03:50. > :03:58.competition, some of them using force less obviously and involving

:03:59. > :04:05.killing less obviously. Surely, though, war in Europe is impossible

:04:06. > :04:09.now? After all, in 2012, the European Union won the Nobel Peace

:04:10. > :04:18.Prize for ending war on the continent. Yet the First World War

:04:19. > :04:22.cemeteries, whether big or small, like this one on the battlefield of

:04:23. > :04:25.the Somme, filled with the victims of a conflict which started because

:04:26. > :04:40.big countries were manipulated by smaller ones.

:04:41. > :04:48.Think what is going on right now in Ukraine. A small, deeply divided

:04:49. > :04:56.country is causing real tension between Europe and Russia. World War

:04:57. > :05:02.doesn't happen because country cases we going to declare a World War.

:05:03. > :05:07.That isn't how it happens. So how does it happen? The power of small

:05:08. > :05:13.states to manipulate big states. Serbia is very important to what

:05:14. > :05:16.happens in 1914. However you see its degree of responsibility, it is

:05:17. > :05:23.engaging its own war when it begins the war in its own neck of the

:05:24. > :05:28.woods. It is not saying, we need a World War. One way of seeing it is a

:05:29. > :05:29.sequence of separate regional wars which aggravate to become something

:05:30. > :05:40.bigger. The grass has long since covered

:05:41. > :05:48.over the naked rawness of the few remaining trenches on the Western

:05:49. > :05:53.front. But if war in Europe isn't so likely, where else could it break

:05:54. > :06:01.out? We used to think of the Middle East as the region which might cause

:06:02. > :06:04.a World War. But what about the Far East nowadays, where a rising

:06:05. > :06:11.military and industrial power, China, is facing up to an existing

:06:12. > :06:16.power, Japan, over a tiny group of uninhabited islands in the East

:06:17. > :06:26.China Sea? The Americans, of course, are the allies of the

:06:27. > :06:30.Japanese in Asia. It is gradually replacing the Middle East. As the

:06:31. > :06:37.United States withdraws with the pivot of Asia, Israel's capacity to

:06:38. > :06:42.tweak the American tail is reduced and as the United States becomes

:06:43. > :06:45.less dependent on Middle Eastern oil supplies, because of fracking

:06:46. > :06:50.becomes more self-sufficient, more than self-sufficient in energy,

:06:51. > :06:51.where is the United States most concerned about? The answer is

:06:52. > :07:06.clearly the Pacific. Before 1914, many people thought war

:07:07. > :07:09.couldn't happen because the economies of the main European

:07:10. > :07:19.countries were so closely intertwined. A man called Norman

:07:20. > :07:27.Angell wrote a bestseller, The Great Illusion, which argued that the war

:07:28. > :07:33.was so crazy, nobody would start one. What he didn't realise was that

:07:34. > :07:40.wars are usually sparked off by the unexpected. Nowadays, we have

:07:41. > :07:53.learned that major wars can come completely out of the blue. On what

:07:54. > :07:59.seemed like a normal day, the 11th of September 2001, a dreadful series

:08:00. > :08:05.of attacks sparked off a war which has lasted right up until now. You

:08:06. > :08:08.know, we should be ready for the possibility of the unthinkable. Most

:08:09. > :08:12.of the things which have changed the world in which we live today have

:08:13. > :08:19.been the consequence of dramatic and unexpected change was the very rapid

:08:20. > :08:22.end to the Cold War, which fortunately was entirely benign. The

:08:23. > :08:25.911 attacks, which obviously were not the nine. These are the way

:08:26. > :08:30.point of how we understand our recent history --not benign. It is

:08:31. > :08:34.humanity collectively going to face war in the future? Absolutely. There

:08:35. > :08:43.are plenty of sources of conflicts in the world. Should we be

:08:44. > :08:47.complacent about it? Absolutely not. These are the names of thousands of

:08:48. > :08:55.missing men, each of them blown to pieces or simply disappeared in the

:08:56. > :08:58.mud. My great uncle was a captain in the East Surreys. He actually

:08:59. > :09:04.survived the Somme but was dreadfully injured. He lingered on

:09:05. > :09:13.for 50 years and died a homeless beggar about revenge. --on a railway

:09:14. > :09:21.bench. Everywhere here, you are in the presence of small-scale but

:09:22. > :09:26.devastating tragedies. I have spent the last 50 years reporting on

:09:27. > :09:32.conflict but nothing, thank God, remotely on this scale. And although

:09:33. > :09:40.it may not seem like it, far fewer people die in war nowadays. In the

:09:41. > :09:45.21st century, it has been an average of 55,000 a year. Dreadful, yet the

:09:46. > :09:50.figure was twice that in the 1990s and three times as many in the

:09:51. > :09:55.1980s. Here on the Western Front, it was 150 times as many. Not

:09:56. > :10:08.everything you see automatically gets worse.

:10:09. > :10:14.Downing Street, the home of political power in Britain since the

:10:15. > :10:20.18th century. The people who live and work here nowadays, and in the

:10:21. > :10:24.Chancellor's office next door, are naturally extremely keen that

:10:25. > :10:27.Britain should regard itself as finally climbing out of the

:10:28. > :10:32.financial crisis that has lingered on for five long years. There is

:10:33. > :10:37.even talk here of rate rises nowadays. But remember what happened

:10:38. > :10:42.in Japan 20 years ago. Property values ballooned and ballooned and

:10:43. > :10:46.then burst and ever since, people there have been so nervous that the

:10:47. > :10:52.Japanese economy has never got out of stagnation. Could that be our

:10:53. > :10:57.future too? Or is the world genuinely starting to lift itself

:10:58. > :10:58.out of recession? Another of our contributing editors has been

:10:59. > :11:11.travelling the world to find out. After five years of slow growth, the

:11:12. > :11:16.outlook is starting to look brighter for the global economy. Nowhere more

:11:17. > :11:22.so than Britain. This year, the economy will finally recover to the

:11:23. > :11:26.size it was before the crash and, believe it or not, the growth rate

:11:27. > :11:34.is even outpacing that of other rich countries. Economists are saying it

:11:35. > :11:36.for policymakers are forecasting it. But when will it feel like a

:11:37. > :11:53.recovery to us? Memories of the crash are still

:11:54. > :11:55.fresh. Unemployment remains high. Price rises have squeezed our

:11:56. > :12:05.incomes and our pay isn't keeping up. It is a similar picture in

:12:06. > :12:13.America, where the housing crash set of the global financial crisis.

:12:14. > :12:21.Small towns like this one in Maryland have been in economic

:12:22. > :12:27.degrees. I met with the Mayor and asked him how the town was faring.

:12:28. > :12:30.Speaking at the was a joke we used to tell around here that if we had a

:12:31. > :12:36.depression, it would take is ten years to know it. Because we have

:12:37. > :12:40.been depressed for so long. It is small towns like this one that the

:12:41. > :12:48.US central bank, the Federal reserve, must help. Its former head

:12:49. > :12:57.hands over a tough task to the new chair. In his era, boom turned to

:12:58. > :13:00.bust and to support the recovery, he flooded the economy with cheap cash

:13:01. > :13:06.for five years and kept rates low. Now that the economy is getting back

:13:07. > :13:11.on track, the new era will be different and it has been made clear

:13:12. > :13:14.what the focus will be. She and other central bankers, like those at

:13:15. > :13:19.the Bank of England, are pledging to keep rates low. But is it working or

:13:20. > :13:29.just leading to more debt fuelled spending?

:13:30. > :13:37.Consuming based on borrowing is what got us into a mess before. Now, in

:13:38. > :13:41.the UK, we are borrowing even more. In fact, household debt is at a

:13:42. > :13:48.record high, even higher than before the crash. It is because five years

:13:49. > :13:56.ago, interest rates were slashed to a smidgen above 0% to support the

:13:57. > :14:01.recovery. The problem is, previously when rates were low, cheap credit

:14:02. > :14:09.also helped fuel a housing boom that eventually went bust. With rates now

:14:10. > :14:15.at the lowest that they have ever been, is it creating another housing

:14:16. > :14:24.bubble? A house like that at 3,000,000... I

:14:25. > :14:29.met the editor of Money Week, who tells me her readers are most

:14:30. > :14:33.concerned about the housing market. It doesn't sound like the recovery

:14:34. > :14:37.is driven by sustainable drivers? At the moment, it would be hard to

:14:38. > :14:40.argue that this is a long-term sustainable recovery. Three years of

:14:41. > :14:44.growth has come very clearly from financial services and the rest you

:14:45. > :14:48.can pin on housing. This is taking us back to the mistakes we made

:14:49. > :14:52.before, relying on two sectors to drive everything. We need to see

:14:53. > :14:55.more manufacturing, more than a way of exports and a broader spread of

:14:56. > :14:59.sectors running things and also things that aren't purely driven by

:15:00. > :15:02.very low interest rates. You have to remember that the housing market is

:15:03. > :15:07.almost entirely driven by the price of money, which is interest rates,

:15:08. > :15:13.and one day, that has to rise. Is it the right kind of recovery? When

:15:14. > :15:19.rates go up, debt could become unsustainable. Well, relying on debt

:15:20. > :15:24.to grow could just result in another crisis. But what's the alternative?

:15:25. > :15:29.How well can a country grow without relying on bar owing?

:15:30. > :15:46.-- borrowing? Japan is a country that's been

:15:47. > :15:50.through it. It no longer grows via debt after its housing market

:15:51. > :16:02.crashed and it has been stagnant ever since. I went along to see the

:16:03. > :16:08.economist who wrote the book on Japan and asked Richard why growth

:16:09. > :16:17.hasn't returned? Japan doesn't seem like it came through it even though

:16:18. > :16:21.the bubble burst over 20 years ago? One the balance sheets are repaired,

:16:22. > :16:24.you realise that people are still not borrowing money. This is a very

:16:25. > :16:28.difficult problem to get hold of because it is a psychological

:16:29. > :16:31.problem, right? If it is a mechanical problem, you do this and

:16:32. > :16:35.then something will happen, but it is a psychological problem until you

:16:36. > :16:41.get over the trauma, you just have to keep on trying different measures

:16:42. > :16:46.until you get off the trauma. How did the US get over the trauma after

:16:47. > :16:56.the Great Depression? It took them a long time. It took 30 years until

:16:57. > :17:01.1959 for interest rates to return to the average 1920s. The Great

:17:02. > :17:07.Depression started in 1929 and it was 1959 when interest rates

:17:08. > :17:15.returned to 4% and it took that long.

:17:16. > :17:24.Dao Due to being traumatised by debt, Japan's growth has been slow.

:17:25. > :17:29.Because without relying on debt, what you spend depends on what you

:17:30. > :17:32.earn and that's not helped by a ageing population where there are

:17:33. > :17:37.more pensioners than young people in work. This is what the West worries

:17:38. > :17:43.about. Lower demand and slower growth. If Japan can reverse its

:17:44. > :17:48.stagnation then there is hope for the UK and the US who are facing

:17:49. > :17:52.tepid recoveries five years after their banking crisis. If Japan

:17:53. > :17:58.can't, then it is a glimpse of the future for other rich countries who

:17:59. > :18:09.have the same ageing population, but are just a few years behind Japan.

:18:10. > :18:14.The Government aims to squeeze more out of workers like these in Tokyo's

:18:15. > :18:19.fish market. If they are more productive then their bosses will

:18:20. > :18:30.pay them more and the recovery would be on a sounder footing.

:18:31. > :18:36.It is not just the developed economies, China's population is

:18:37. > :18:41.also ageing. So it is not an easy choice anywhere. Growing via debt

:18:42. > :18:47.maybe unsustainable, but the alternative could be slower growth

:18:48. > :18:52.than what we're used to. The global and British economy will recover

:18:53. > :18:57.this year, but it maybe sometime yet before it feels like it. But

:18:58. > :18:59.importantly, growth has returned and tomorrow looks more promising than

:19:00. > :19:23.today. Whitehall here is stacked with

:19:24. > :19:32.statues to Britain's military heroes. Montgomery here. But this

:19:33. > :19:40.may surprise you, the world's fourth largest military power, that's after

:19:41. > :19:46.the painful cuts in the 2010 Strategic Defence Review. Last month

:19:47. > :19:50.the former US Defence Secretary, Robert Gates warned that Britain's

:19:51. > :19:57.defence cuts limited its ability to be a reliable military ally. He

:19:58. > :20:03.singled out cutbacks to the Royal Navy and reminded us for the first

:20:04. > :20:07.time since the First World War Britain won't have a single aircraft

:20:08. > :20:15.carrier until the ones being in Scotland come into service. Caroline

:20:16. > :20:27.Wyatt wonders whether the defence cuts have really gone too far?

:20:28. > :20:34.For centuries, these small islands prided themselves on their might as

:20:35. > :20:37.Britain punched well above her weight in the world, sending

:20:38. > :20:43.warships and soldiers across the seas. The Royal Navy and Army helped

:20:44. > :20:47.create the British Empire and in 1982, the Falklands War showed

:20:48. > :20:52.Britain could still fight to win even thousands of miles from these

:20:53. > :20:57.shores. But in the past few years of

:20:58. > :21:01.economic austerity, the UK's defence spending dropped while that of

:21:02. > :21:09.others countries from China to Saudi Arabia has risen creating some say a

:21:10. > :21:14.perfect storm for defence so the question we are asking is have we

:21:15. > :21:16.cut too far in defence and should we re-think our ambitions on the global

:21:17. > :21:38.stage? At the Cenotaph in Cardiff, Simon

:21:39. > :21:42.Weston remembers his fallen comrades. He remembers the terrible

:21:43. > :21:46.burns he suffered. Today, he is appalled by the level of cuts to

:21:47. > :21:56.Army numbers. It is under half the size it was when he joined with

:21:57. > :22:00.thousands of soldiers made rebundant. -- rebundant. We will

:22:01. > :22:08.sell ourselves short. You look at all these people here and the

:22:09. > :22:14.talents and the skills, the medical corp, we lose all those talents and

:22:15. > :22:17.all those experiences and all the things that they can pass on to

:22:18. > :22:28.other people. They are gone. They're not coming back. Do you think that

:22:29. > :22:36.we, as a nation, have cut defence spending too far? Without a doubt.

:22:37. > :22:42.We've got far too few people and the MoD and the Government have to stop.

:22:43. > :22:48.Stop before it goes too far. Before there is no gaining the ground that

:22:49. > :22:53.they've lost. You cannot bring a war in under budget and you certainly

:22:54. > :22:59.cannot prepare for conflict without spending money properly. And we're

:23:00. > :23:03.in a situation where we are selling people short. Would you still join

:23:04. > :23:10.the Army today? Would you advice one of your children to join the Army?

:23:11. > :23:14.Not a chance. Despite the cuts, the Army still

:23:15. > :23:21.needs young men and women fight to fit -- fit to fight for the future.

:23:22. > :23:24.The current plan is to have more reservists even as the number of

:23:25. > :23:29.regulars come down, but take-up has been slower than hoped, but on the

:23:30. > :23:33.day I visit this recruiting centre in Cardiff. I'm preparing myself for

:23:34. > :23:40.the challenges that lie ahead. David Jones has come to sign up for the

:23:41. > :23:45.reserves. It is just the adventure really and the commitment, the

:23:46. > :23:56.professionalism, you see soldiers putting in every day. I think I can

:23:57. > :24:03.transfer that to my own career. The Army has gone back to training on

:24:04. > :24:11.Salisbury Plain. No one knows what threat could be around the corner.

:24:12. > :24:28.The UK aims to be able to fight most. By land, sea or air. Man power

:24:29. > :24:41.was hit hard in the last Defence Review. Their concerns are aired in

:24:42. > :24:46.the calm of the Royal United Services Institute, the military

:24:47. > :24:51.think-tank founded in 1831, now run by Professor Mike Clarke. If we lack

:24:52. > :24:55.anything, it is sustainability. It is staying power given that our

:24:56. > :25:01.ambitions are to be a bit like the United States at about one tenth the

:25:02. > :25:05.size. Have we cut too far in defence? I think in general, we've

:25:06. > :25:09.cut further than our ambitions would allow us so we have either got to

:25:10. > :25:13.scale back our ambitions or we have got to say it is important that we

:25:14. > :25:20.do those things and we have got to spend something more on defence more

:25:21. > :25:28.like something in the order of ?2 billion or ?3 billion after 2015

:25:29. > :25:35.than we're planning to. A number of armoured vehicles are

:25:36. > :25:46.slowly returning home from Afghanistan. Huskies and Mastiffs.

:25:47. > :25:50.The next battles will be closer to home too between the MoD and the

:25:51. > :25:57.Treasury. The forces say the last fence Review was Steph devastating,

:25:58. > :26:01.the next, it is hoped, will be more considered. I hope the signal that

:26:02. > :26:04.we're send is that the UK is committed to living within its

:26:05. > :26:10.means. Defence can't be exempt from that and I've also been clear that

:26:11. > :26:17.you can only build a strong and sustainable defence on a strong and

:26:18. > :26:22.sustainable economy. The two are indivisible. It is not your view

:26:23. > :26:26.that we have cut too far? I would like the defence budget to be

:26:27. > :26:29.bigger. I would like to have a bigger military, who wouldn't? But

:26:30. > :26:33.where we are at the moment is a position that we can sustain and the

:26:34. > :26:37.budget will allow us to do that just. It is not allowing us to put

:26:38. > :26:41.our feet up while we do it, we're having to pedal very hard to make

:26:42. > :26:42.the savings, to deliver the efficiencies that make it possible

:26:43. > :27:00.to have that capability. And this is where much of the UK's

:27:01. > :27:08.defence budget is going, creating its two biggest aircraft carriers

:27:09. > :27:14.ever. The Queen Elizabeth Class. The cost is just as breath taking. Now

:27:15. > :27:19.over ?6 billion, not counting the jet that will fly off them. It is

:27:20. > :27:25.not yet clear whether the UK will be able to afford to run two carriers

:27:26. > :27:31.or one and whether both will be built. That's another battle for the

:27:32. > :27:36.next Defence Review along whether to replace Trident, the nation's

:27:37. > :27:42.nuclear deterrent. The UK can console itself than in a few years

:27:43. > :27:45.time, it will have two world beating aircraft carriers with one due to

:27:46. > :27:49.sail the seas and project Britain's power abroad. If a Government's

:27:50. > :27:54.first duty to its people is defence of the Realm, perhaps it is time for

:27:55. > :28:03.a national debate about what sort of defence we want and crucially, how

:28:04. > :28:07.much we're willing to pay for it? Britannia doesn't rule as much of

:28:08. > :28:12.the waves as she once did, but these islands remain a serious military

:28:13. > :28:15.player. Beneath the surface, the UK's sailors, soldiers and air men

:28:16. > :28:20.are having to work hard after the last wave of cuts. The fear is they

:28:21. > :28:27.couldn't weather another similar storm without real harm. They are

:28:28. > :28:36.often unseen, they remain a guarantee, relied on to protect

:28:37. > :28:38.these shores and our way of life, something more fragile than we

:28:39. > :28:53.think. Everything seems so peaceful now

:28:54. > :28:58.here at. This area was blasted by the heaviest artillery barrage in

:28:59. > :29:04.history that people thought would never grow here again. But nature is

:29:05. > :29:07.so resilient, you never think now that anything had ever happened

:29:08. > :29:11.here. It is something of the same with human beings, in spite of all

:29:12. > :29:17.these people who died in the First World War and in the huge epidemic

:29:18. > :29:21.at the same time, a census soon after the First World War showed

:29:22. > :29:27.that the British population had actually gone up by some way. Not

:29:28. > :29:32.even the effects of war, it seems, are necessarily permanent. Well,

:29:33. > :29:36.that's it from the last of the current series of The Editors. Until

:29:37. > :29:48.we meet again, goodbye.