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On 22nd December last year, a bin lorry careered out of control | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
in the centre of Glasgow. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
For 19 seconds, it ploughed over roads and pavements, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
reaching speeds of up to 25mph. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
When it came to rest, six people were dead, and more than a dozen | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
suffered life-changing injuries. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
Tonight, some of the bereaved families accuse the Scottish | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
justice system of failing them. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
It wasn't, "Unfortunately, I'm sorry," but it was, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
"Your mum's in the morgue." | 0:00:38 | 0:00:44 | |
The man had fell through every single safety net that had been put | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
in place from the top level, from the Crown, to doctors, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
to Glasgow City Council. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
These six people who died can't be gone. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
They're not here today to speak for themselves. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:04 | |
Today, George Square bears no evidence | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
of the horror that was visited on this place nearly a year ago. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:30 | |
But the human scars run deep, both through the survivors | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
and the families of those who lost their lives. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
As they await the report of the fatal accident inquiry | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
into the crash, some of those families have broken their | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
silence to question the Crown's approach to the investigation, and | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
to ask if they'll ever get justice. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
Scenes of panic, captured on a mobile phone seconds | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
after the bin lorry left a trail of destruction along Queen Street | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
and George Square. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
I know it's me because I see a handbag which was mine, and I see an | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
umbrella which was mine, and I know I could see my feet, so, actually, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
to look at it, it's so surreal. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:19 | |
Saleswoman Elaine Morell suffered serious facial injuries and still | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
can't remember how she came to be caught in the bin lorry's path. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:29 | |
I instantly was knocked out, so I was unconscious for | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
between five and ten minutes. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:37 | |
I know that. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
It was like a steel door that came crashing down on my head | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
and turned out all the lights and I just remember thinking, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
"Oh, right, so that's it, that's the end." | 0:02:48 | 0:02:54 | |
We had been to the jewellers | 0:02:54 | 0:02:55 | |
and were on our way back to the train station. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
Neither of us knew Glasgow very well so we retraced our footsteps | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
the way we had come. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
Lucy Ewing was on a trip to the city with her mum, Gillian. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
I think we'd come out past the National Galleries, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
and then were walking up Queen Street towards the train station. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
I had heard quite a loud bang but kind of after that I don't really | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
remember much other than being on the road and seeing the bin lorry | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
come up the street towards my mum. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:32 | |
And then obviously I saw it hit her. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
A distraught Lucy was taken to a nearby cafe. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
There was just sirens and flashing lights | 0:03:39 | 0:03:40 | |
and people everywhere. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
Lucy frantically tried to get in touch with her family. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
Lucy just literally said to me on the phone, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
"I don't want to alarm you, but there's been | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
a serious accident in Glasgow and I think Mum might be dead." | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
A city was in shock. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
As word spread, people were checking on the whereabouts | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
of their families and friends. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
I got a phone call to say that | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
my mum hadn't been to pick the girls up. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
My partner was in hysterics, saying the last time she'd had | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
any feedback from my mum or communication | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
from my mum was that she was leaving at half-past two to get the bus. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
Adam Russell's mother, Jackie Morton, worked | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
in a tax office in the city centre. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
As the hours passed, he took action. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
I actually proceeded to call the number that came up | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
on the screen, then they took us through a whole rigmarole whereby it | 0:04:33 | 0:04:39 | |
was like, what your mum was wearing, what kind of clothes? | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
And it was actually,like, a surreal moment. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
Then hours went past. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
For some people, their loved ones wouldn't be coming home. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Hundreds of emergency workers were drafted | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
in to take control and start the investigation into what happened. | 0:04:54 | 0:05:00 | |
The crash had happened at lunchtime and families fearing | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
the worst could only wait. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
It was ten o'clock in the evening before Adam Russell | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
received a phone call from police. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
He said, "Just to let you know, Mr Russell, we've phoned | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
around all the hospitals and your mum's not there, so there's | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
a possibility she's at the Square." | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
And I said, "What do you mean, she's at the Square?" | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
She said, "There's a possibility she could be one of the victims | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
that's lying at George Square. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Would you like us to send a colleague over to speak with you? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
They wouldn't be able to get there until about 12 o'clock at night. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
Or would you rather just leave it until tomorrow?" | 0:05:49 | 0:05:55 | |
The Ewing sisters said they encountered similar police | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
insensitivity as they waited in Glasgow City Chambers. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:05 | |
He said, "We've just heard back from all the hospitals | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
and we can confirm that your mum is not on the list of people who are | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
in the hospital, therefore she must be one of the ones in the morgue." | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
That is how we were told. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
That was pretty much the exact words. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:20 | |
In the morgue? In the morgue. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
So it wasn't, "Unfortunately, I'm sorry, but..." | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
It was, "Your mum's in the morgue." | 0:06:25 | 0:06:31 | |
When we put this to Police Scotland, they said that | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
in such a major incident everyone is affected and working under extreme | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
pressure, and that they were sorry for any anguish caused and had | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
learned from the experience. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
Six people lost their lives that day. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
Jackie Morton, a tax worker and grandmother of two from Glasgow. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
Gillian Ewing, from Edinburgh, who had been living in Cyprus. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
18-year-old English literature student Erin McQuade. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
Her grandparents, Lorraine and Jack Sweeney, who lived in Dumbarton. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:12 | |
And 29-year-old primary school teacher | 0:07:12 | 0:07:13 | |
Stephenie Tait, from Glasgow. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
The driver of the bin lorry, just visible on the left | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
of the screen, was 58-year-old Harry Clarke, who had worked | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
for the council for four years. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
He told an off-duty nurse who came to help him | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
that he hadn't blacked out, but that last thing he remembered | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
was sitting at the lights. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
I felt so sorry for the bin lorry driver and his colleagues, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
for those poor men to have witnessed such a devastating incident, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:56 | |
and I actually was worrying. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
I worried that the bin lorry driver would be so distraught that... | 0:08:01 | 0:08:08 | |
that how could he cope with it? | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
The tragedy cast a shadow over any festivities as a city mourned. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:23 | |
Out of respect, the Christmas lights were switched off. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
Strangers paid tribute. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
But some of the bereaved families were already beginning to question | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
the sympathy for Harry Clarke. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
They felt there was more to the crash than just | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
an unavoidable accident. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
I actually couldn't sleep at night, the time it had happened. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
So I actually took to Google Images just basically to see | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
if there was an image of my mum lying on that street. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
Horrific. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:52 | |
When I was scrolling through the pictures, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
I actually seen Harry Clarke climbing out of the bin lorry. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
So then I started to ask questions with both the police and CID. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:05 | |
I said, "I've got this picture on my iPad." | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
I said, "I believe it to be the driver of the bin lorry." | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
They dismissed it and said there's no way that could've been the man. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
This man was gravely ill in a hospital bed | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
and he has been since the accident. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
The Ewing sisters also questioned | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
the circumstances surrounding the crash. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
After we'd been told that mum had been killed, I had obviously lashed | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
out a little, but had obviously said something about the driver having | 0:09:31 | 0:09:37 | |
had a heart attack and the police instantly said, "I don't know where | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
you've heard that from, but that's not what happened." | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
Did he say what happened? | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
No, didn't say anything, all they said was they weren't able | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
to tell us anything but they could confirm that | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
the driver had not had a heart attack. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
If Harry Clarke had a heart condition, he may not have | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
been safe to drive a heavy vehicle. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
The question was, had a crime been committed? | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
Brian McConnachie is a former senior prosecutor. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
He says thorough scrutiny of Harry Clarke's medical history | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
should have been key. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
The issue, in my opinion, if you were prosecuting it, would be | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
to establish firstly that he had a medical condition, secondly that he | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
knew about that medical condition, and thirdly that he had effectively | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
covered up the fact of that medical condition in order | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
that it would not be disclosed to DVLA or to his employers, which | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
would presumably have prevented him driving on the day in question. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:45 | |
The investigation worked quickly. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
At the end of February, nine weeks after what happened here, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
the Crown made an announcement. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:56 | |
This news release from the Crown says that after a Crown Office | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
directed police inquiry, independent Crown Counsel decided | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
there was no evidence to suggest Harry Clarke had broken the law. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
The Crown decided not to prosecute. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
I think there was a general outpouring, I suppose, of grief at | 0:11:11 | 0:11:16 | |
the time because of the place where it happened, the circumstances that | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
occurred, and the time of the year, and that appears to have driven | 0:11:19 | 0:11:25 | |
the Crown Office to make decisions as quickly as they could. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:31 | |
Generally, these things tend to take quite a long time. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
As an average, it would be probably something | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
in the region of about nine months between the time of the accident | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
and the police reporting the matter, and the matter actually being | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
proceeded to court, if appropriate. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:50 | |
A Fatal Accident Inquiry into the crash was quickly convened. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:58 | |
The purpose of an inquiry isn't to lay blame, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
but to investigate and learn lessons. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
The families had steeled themselves for what they regarded | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
as a necessary ordeal that might bring them some answers. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
The family of school teacher Stephenie Tait | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
was represented by Ronnie Conway. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
The one thing that the Taits have said to me consistently is that if | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
anything emerges from this tragedy, and the Fatal Accident Inquiry, it's | 0:12:21 | 0:12:27 | |
that no other family has to endure what they have endured and what | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
they know the other families are having to go through. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
And it was clear from the outset that with | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
Harry Clarke, we're really not dealing with a criminal mastermind. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:47 | |
And the question for them was, how had such | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
a person managed to manipulate and game the system with such ease? | 0:12:50 | 0:13:00 | |
But some of those also acutely affected by the tragedy felt | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
ignored by the investigation. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
Marie Weatherall had suffered multiple fractures in the crash | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
and spent four weeks in hospital. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
I felt like a spectator in my own life, that all this | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
stuff's going on outside, nobody ever contacted me about anything. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:25 | |
I had one letter from the Procurator Fiscal's office saying | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
I might be called as a witness, I might not be called as a witness, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
but they'd let me know. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
Well, they never did, and everything that I ever found out subsequent to | 0:13:33 | 0:13:39 | |
the accident, I found out myself. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
The inquiry was to take five weeks and involved more than | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
500 witness statements. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
We've managed to acquire some of the medical and employment | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
records, hospital records and expert opinion used in court. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
They run to thousands of pages. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
Did the Crown know all of this when it decided not to prosecute? | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
Day by day, the inquiry laid bare failings involving the DVLA and its | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
system of medical self-reporting. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
What you've got, in effect, is a system which relies exclusively | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
on the honesty and integrity of the applicant. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:21 | |
Where you're dealing with professional drivers, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
whose livelihood is at stake, seems to me that the temptation to | 0:14:23 | 0:14:30 | |
conceal or not disclose medical incidents is simply colossal. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
That is a system that is dysfunctional. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
The attempt to get to the truth behind the tragedy | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
in George Square repeatedly returned to Harry Clarke's fitness | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
to be employed as a driver. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:52 | |
Some of the stuff that was coming out, it was just absolutely | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
unbelievable that this guy was still able to be driving anything, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
never mind a 26-tonne bin lorry. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
It just brought everything back and much, much worse, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:07 | |
because I just expected the truth at the Fatal Accident Inquiry, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:16 | |
that we all had expected to hear, and that isn't what happened. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:22 | |
It was the entire medical history that came out. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
I just remember sitting that day and they were talking about episodes | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
of stress and dizziness and other vasovagal attacks dating | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
back from late 1970s. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
If you've had that many episodes of fainting or dizziness, it beggars | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
belief, to be honest, that someone is able to still drive after. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:48 | |
Within Harry Clarke's long and complex medical records was | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
a blackout in 2010 when he was a driver with First Bus. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
Harry Clarke told his doctor he blacked out in a canteen. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
These are the guidelines given to doctors by the DVLA. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
If it is a simple faint, they don't need to be notified. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
Based on the canteen story he was told, Harry Clarke's doctor | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
determined it was a simple faint. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
But during the inquiry, it was revealed | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
it may have happened on a bus. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:25 | |
If it emerged that Mr Clarke had slumped at the wheel of a bus, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
there's really not much doubt that this was | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
a notifiable incident to the DVLA. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:32 | |
There's really not much doubt in terms of the DVLA protocols that | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
Mr Clarke would have lost his LGV licence for probably about a year. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:41 | |
He would not have been able to apply for a job with Glasgow City Council, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
which he did later on in 2010. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
He would not have been at the wheel | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
of a Glasgow City Council bin lorry in December 2014. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:58 | |
A bus inspector's report, taken at the time of the faint, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
records it happened on a bus, not in a canteen. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
The inquiry unearthed a paper trail of Harry Clarke's driving | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
declarations to the DVLA and his employers, revealing his dishonesty | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
about his fitness to drive. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
He never disclosed that he had suffered a blackout or dizziness. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:21 | |
As the inquiry continued, it became clear that the only man | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
who could answer these allegations of lying was Harry Clarke. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
But two of the families had raised the possibility | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
of pursuing a private prosecution. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
This threat meant Harry Clarke was advised not to comment on anything | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
which might prove incriminating. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
On the run-up to the day, me especially, I was very unsure as to | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
whether or not I was going to go. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
I didn't really want to be in the same room as him | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
but then I also wanted to hear what he had to say. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
It was one of the most harrowing days of our lives. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
I mean, having to sit there and listen to him continually say, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
"I don't wish to answer that. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:02 | |
I don't wish to answer that. I don't wish to answer that." | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
And then every time he did go to answer something, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
his solicitors stand up and say, "Don't answer that." | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
It was extraordinary, you know, to hear him not say anything, and | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
then he gave his side of the story. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:21 | |
And, you know, it was just like he was a victim as well, really. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:27 | |
On August 28th, the Fatal Accident Inquiry ended. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
It had heard 27 days of evidence, often suggesting | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
Harry Clarke was a man who had persistently and deliberately lied. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
His own lawyer had described him as an ordinary man, with | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
the failings of an ordinary man. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
We've been in touch with Harry Clarke. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
For the first time, he revealed his feelings about that day, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
in a letter through his lawyer. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
Hours after the inquiry closed, the Lord Advocate took the unusual | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
decision to publicly reaffirm his decision not to prosecute. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
He was interviewed by BBC Scotland's Reevel Alderson. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
We have to take hard decisions and a cold analysis of the evidence. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
We did it as quickly as we could without compromising thoroughness. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
There is no evidence which has come out at the Fatal Accident Inquiry | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
which the Crown were not aware of when the major decisions were taken. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
You are absolutely clear about that? | 0:20:02 | 0:20:03 | |
Nothing has come out that you didn't know about? | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
Well, what I did was, I checked with the inquiry team to confirm that. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:12 | |
That is my understanding and that was confirmed to me. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
The fact that the Lord Advocate can still stand there and say, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
"Sometimes you make difficult decisions, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
but I know I made the right one," when they've got hundreds of people | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
out in the public screaming at them, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
this guy really should have been convicted for something. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
It just seems incredible that somehow or other, the legal system | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
made it possible for that person not to have to account | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
for himself, one way or another. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
It's just, to me, that's morally wrong. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:46 | |
The Crown was clear - its February decision not to | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
prosecute was the right one. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:50 | |
But some of the families were questioning that and asking | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
if they would ever get justice. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
Back in February, when it decided not to prosecute, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
a news release from the Crown announced | 0:21:03 | 0:21:04 | |
David Green would be leading preparation | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
for the Fatal Accident Inquiry. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
As head of the Scottish Fatalities Investigation Unit, he had been | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
involved in the Crown's response to the tragedy from an early stage. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
Just over two weeks later, David Green held separate | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
face-to-face meetings with the families to explain | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
the independent Crown Counsel decision. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
David Green proceeded to tell us that Mr Clarke had had | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
a one-off episode which occurred in April 2010, whereby he'd fainted | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
in a canteen, in a hot environment, and this was a one-off event. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:40 | |
He then proceeded to tell us that in 2012, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:46 | |
when he went for his DVLA renewal as part of his HGV renewal, he answered | 0:21:46 | 0:21:52 | |
"no" to, "Have you ever blacked out or lost or impaired consciousness?" | 0:21:52 | 0:21:58 | |
Well, he's obviously lied on that question, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
because you've just said there he'd had a blackout in a canteen. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
He then proceeded to tell me very abruptly, argumentative, that we | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
were comparing apples and pears. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
The families say it was described to them as a simple faint in a canteen. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
Such a faint, while standing up, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
would not have been notifiable to the DVLA. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
The Ewing sisters also questioned why this apparent lie | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
didn't warrant prosecution. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
I had obviously said, "So, he lied." | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
David Green said, "No, he didn't tell the truth." | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
I said, "That's the exact same thing as lying." | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
And I was promptly told, "The thing you don't know about | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
Mr Clarke is he's a fat, uneducated man from the West of Scotland | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
and doesn't know any better." | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
Now, I'm not defending Harry Clarke, but that's not a very nice thing | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
to say about anybody, and it's not very professional either. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
It's what we were told as to why he ticked "no" | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
on a form, instead of ticking "yes". | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
Because he's fat and uneducated. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
It also suggests that there are different standards of criminality, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
depending on how smart you are. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
So because I've been to university, I wouldn't get away with ticking | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
a form wrong, because I would know better - but if I hadn't, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:16 | |
then I'm allowed, what, leeway on getting these things right? | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
That doesn't make any sense. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
Adam Russell said it was some weeks later when his lawyers were sent | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
productions from the Crown that he learned of another version | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
of the blackout, that Harry Clarke had fainted at the wheel of a bus. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:35 | |
He's had a more or less mirror image of an event, whereby he's fainted | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
behind the wheel of a large vehicle. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
This version of the blackout was, according to the Crown, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
the true account of what happened. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
Harry Clarke had fainted on a bus with passengers on it, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
not in a canteen. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
Under the DVLA guidance, a faint while sitting | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
and at the wheel is a notifiable incident. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
Adam believed this made Harry Clarke's omissions to his employers | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
and the DVLA far more serious. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
He said he had a growing suspicion the Crown had | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
missed the significance of Harry Clarke's faint on a bus when they | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
made the decision not to prosecute. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:13 | |
He made an official complaint. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
The response was that Mr Green couldn't actually recall that he had | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
said that Mr Clarke had fainted in the canteen in a hot environment | 0:24:21 | 0:24:27 | |
and that he had actually stated that Mr Clarke had fainted whilst having | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
his lunch on a stationary bus. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
And you, your father, your mother's sister, and two members | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
of your legal team heard otherwise? Yep. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:43 | |
We were specifically told he passed out in a canteen. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
Nothing, no mention of on a bus. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
The response to Adam Russell's complaint said David Green did not | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
"recall having made reference to an incident in a canteen", | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
although his colleague "thinks he may have done so". | 0:24:56 | 0:25:02 | |
And it's not just the families of Gillian Ewing and Jackie Morton, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:11 | |
but all the bereaved families are certain David Green made no mention | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
of a loss of consciousness on a bus in those individual March meetings. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
They are all certain he told them it happened in a canteen. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
This poses the question of why the Crown, at those meetings, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
only offered the canteen version of events. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
We asked David Green for an interview, but he declined. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
The Crown Office said in a statement that David Green had | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
been "fully aware" that "the driver had a previous faint | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
on a bus" when he met the families. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
It said David Green had extensive experience | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
and categorically denies using offensive terms. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
It added that there were conflicting accounts from different sources | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
of the faint, but it had been clear to Crown Counsel that the primary | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
account was of the driver fainting in a stationary bus. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
I feel very let down. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
If, by law, he couldn't be charged, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:13 | |
I think there needs to be changes then made to the law. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:20 | |
If the Crown Office had decided to prosecute Harry Clarke, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
what charges might have been considered? | 0:26:22 | 0:26:30 | |
The prosecution, if it was deemed appropriate, would be based upon the | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
fact that Mr Clarke had a knowledge of a medical condition from which he | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
suffered, and the real problem is not the fact that he knew he was | 0:26:36 | 0:26:45 | |
going to have an attack that day. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
The real problem is, he did not know when he was going to have an attack. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
And if you could establish that, then, in my opinion, that would be | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
certainly providing a case to answer for dangerous driving. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
We asked the Lord Advocate for an interview. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
He declined. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
In a statement, the Crown Office reiterated their position... | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
I do think that the Crown Office rushed to a decision in this | 0:27:23 | 0:27:30 | |
particular case and I suspect if they had their life to live over | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
again and had heard all of the information that came out of the | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
Fatal Accident Inquiry, the decision in relation to Mr Clarke may well | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
have been something different. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
Do you think they're regretting granting him immunity? | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
I suspect they're regretting the fact that they decided | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
not to consider prosecution. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:59 | |
The families we've spoken to believe that there are hundreds of | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
Harry Clarkes out there, taking risks and preserving their careers | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
with no enforced deterrents. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
They question what justice has been achieved after | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
a criminal investigation and a long and painful Fatal Accident Inquiry. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
But, above all, they hope something is done to tackle the human | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
and system failings that contributed to the bin lorry crash, in | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
the hope that no other family has to go through what they have endured. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:28 |