0:00:00 > 0:00:00Andy Swiss, BBC News, Brisbane.
0:00:00 > 0:00:00That's it.
0:00:04 > 0:00:09Good evening.
0:00:09 > 0:00:09Good evening.
0:00:09 > 0:00:16We know what is going to be in the budget. But what does it mean for
0:00:16 > 0:00:26you? Stay with us for the latest reaction and a round-up of news and
0:00:26 > 0:00:38weather. This is Wales Live. Wellcome to Wales Live, tonight in a
0:00:38 > 0:00:41special budget debate we're going to be getting the post-match reaction
0:00:41 > 0:00:47to the Chancellor's plans. Is this going to leave you with more or less
0:00:47 > 0:00:51cash? Simply leaving you confused? People from Wales are going to have
0:00:51 > 0:00:58a say. And a panel of politicians to react. Before the end of the sure we
0:00:58 > 0:01:01will go back in time to see how the budget Day has changed over the
0:01:01 > 0:01:11years.Another 2p on beer. 11.9p on petrol. I do not know what is good
0:01:11 > 0:01:16to happen over the next coming years.It is going to be difficult.
0:01:16 > 0:01:24First... A round up of the news. Good evening.
0:01:24 > 0:01:26An extra £1.2 billion for the Welsh Government to spend
0:01:26 > 0:01:31over the next four years.
0:01:31 > 0:01:32over the next four years.
0:01:32 > 0:01:37Just one of the announcements included in the Chancellor's budget.
0:01:37 > 0:01:39Phillip Hammond also outlined an end to Stamp Duty
0:01:39 > 0:01:42for most first-time buyers - but with that power soon to be
0:01:42 > 0:01:45devolved to the Welsh Government - it's unclear what effect that
0:01:45 > 0:01:46will have here.
0:01:46 > 0:01:47Our Economics Correspondent, Sarah Dickins, reports.
0:01:47 > 0:01:50Housing has been described as the problem of our time by the Prime
0:01:50 > 0:01:55Minister. Today the Chancellor took steps to start building more homes.
0:01:55 > 0:02:00Here, 92. Philip Hammond acted to help people get on the property
0:02:00 > 0:02:08ladder.With effect for today, for all first time buyer purchases up to
0:02:08 > 0:02:12£300,000, I am abolishing stamp duty.That includes Wales for now
0:02:12 > 0:02:20but the Welsh government gets responsibility from April.The vast
0:02:20 > 0:02:23majority of first time buyers in Wales, catered for by the existing
0:02:23 > 0:02:28policy. I want to look at things and bring forward proposals by think
0:02:28 > 0:02:32that is in their interest.Almost 400,000 public sector workers across
0:02:32 > 0:02:38Wales did not see an end to cap on pay. Some said money is so short
0:02:38 > 0:02:43they are facing difficult choices. If I put the central heating on, or
0:02:43 > 0:02:50leave the coat on...I am not alone in that. British workers produce
0:02:50 > 0:02:54less in the week than other leading countries, and that Wales it is
0:02:54 > 0:02:59lower than the UK average. The Chancellor hopes to increase
0:02:59 > 0:03:04productivity with incentives, driverless cars, and developments
0:03:04 > 0:03:13like artificial intelligence. And if you wondered if tolls on the bridge
0:03:13 > 0:03:18will be axed then the Chancellor said again they will be. It is clear
0:03:18 > 0:03:21the economy is not as good as thought, official forecast
0:03:21 > 0:03:26downgraded additive is difficult to see any significant change in living
0:03:26 > 0:03:32standards in Wales.
0:03:32 > 0:03:36Tonight, an Abbey at the centre of historical child sexual abuse
0:03:36 > 0:03:40allegations has apologised that claims against one of its monks
0:03:40 > 0:03:44weren't passed-on to police.
0:03:44 > 0:03:47weren't passed-on to police.
0:03:47 > 0:03:5011 women say a Father sexually abused them
0:03:50 > 0:03:53on Caldey Island in Pembrokeshire in the 1970s and 80s.
0:03:53 > 0:03:55The current Abbot, Brother Daniel van Santvoort said in a statement
0:03:55 > 0:03:58he was 'truly sorry' that his predecessor 'didn't pass-on
0:03:58 > 0:03:59the allegations to the police.'
0:03:59 > 0:04:03An inquest has heard a Head Teacher
0:04:03 > 0:04:05from Cardiff killed himself after he learned police
0:04:05 > 0:04:07were investigating him over allegations of possessing
0:04:07 > 0:04:08indecent images.
0:04:08 > 0:04:1051-year-old Huw Jones - who was a head at Albert
0:04:10 > 0:04:13Primary School in Penarth - was found hanged in a churchyard in
0:04:13 > 0:04:14the Vale of Glamorgan, in February.
0:04:14 > 0:04:22The coroner recorded a conclusion of suicide.
0:04:22 > 0:04:24Less than three months after hurricanes devastated
0:04:24 > 0:04:26the British Virgin Islands, officers from Gwent Police who
0:04:26 > 0:04:29travelled to the Caribbean to help - have been sharing their experiences.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31The group spent time guarding vital aid supplies -
0:04:31 > 0:04:33and clearing debris - so the islanders could start
0:04:33 > 0:04:34rebuilding their lives.
0:04:34 > 0:04:38We have seen the pictures and the media, we had seen the devastation,
0:04:38 > 0:04:42the mosquitoes and the infestation. We knew was not going to be great
0:04:42 > 0:04:46circumstances. But I was willing to give us 100% and work alongside my
0:04:46 > 0:04:52colleagues.
0:04:52 > 0:04:54Rugby - and wing, George North, will return to Wales
0:04:54 > 0:04:57on a 'National Dual Contract' at the end of the season.
0:04:57 > 0:04:58The 25-year-old - currently at Northampton -
0:04:58 > 0:05:01has 69 caps for Wales.
0:05:01 > 0:05:03Head Coach, Warren Gatland, says a decision on which region
0:05:03 > 0:05:09North will join, will be made in the coming months.
0:05:09 > 0:05:12North will join, will be made in the coming months.
0:05:12 > 0:05:17Time for the weather forecast now.
0:05:17 > 0:05:20Time for the weather forecast now.
0:05:20 > 0:05:21And the windy and wet conditions
0:05:21 > 0:05:24will continue for a time.
0:05:24 > 0:05:26But the rain easing off, and clearing overnight -
0:05:26 > 0:05:27and it will become rather chilly.
0:05:27 > 0:05:31The overnight lows back into single figures -
0:05:31 > 0:05:38ranging between five to eight celsius.
0:05:38 > 0:05:43Tomorrow then, Thursday, a bright and windy start -
0:05:43 > 0:05:46certainly an improvement on today's conditions - but it
0:05:46 > 0:05:50will feel less mild.
0:05:50 > 0:05:54Then the showers get going.
0:05:54 > 0:05:54Then the showers get going.
0:05:54 > 0:05:59The Chancellor has the love about budget since the snap election in
0:05:59 > 0:06:05May. Here it goes in. T seconds. -- in 30 seconds.
0:06:35 > 0:06:40Plenty to talk about with politicians from the five main
0:06:40 > 0:06:42parties from the studio and Westminster. What does the audience
0:06:42 > 0:06:48make of what they have heard? We have got people from all walks of
0:06:48 > 0:06:54life. Firefighter. Farmer. Student. We have managed to get a pub
0:06:54 > 0:07:02landlord. Guests from the world business. Good evening. Helen... You
0:07:02 > 0:07:12run a scrap yard business. Was there enough until Hammond's speech today
0:07:12 > 0:07:18to stimulate growth?It was rather a non budget. We had a few things
0:07:18 > 0:07:22about VAT thresholds not been reduced. That is going to be good.
0:07:22 > 0:07:26Does not impact me personally because I am over the threshold but
0:07:26 > 0:07:29it is useful for people. Things around infrastructure for Wales. Not
0:07:29 > 0:07:36anything about the tidal lagoon. I think we have an opportunity around
0:07:36 > 0:07:39the National wage increase that is happening. I think that is going to
0:07:39 > 0:07:44be good for people on more incomes. But not really anything that gave me
0:07:44 > 0:07:50the stimulus to grow the business and I have concerns about what is
0:07:50 > 0:07:53going to happen going forward. Some things interesting me but nothing
0:07:53 > 0:07:59really significant.Not what I wanted. So many aspects to discuss.
0:07:59 > 0:08:05I just want to bring you in, Dr. So many people worried about the state
0:08:05 > 0:08:08of the NHS. What have you made of the fact that the Chancellor has
0:08:08 > 0:08:16promised £2.8 billion for England and not Wales?I am disappointed
0:08:16 > 0:08:21that the budget is not enough to maintain NHS for a world-class free
0:08:21 > 0:08:26service for everybody at the point of care. It is not clear how much is
0:08:26 > 0:08:31going to go to the NHS itself. It is at breaking point. Doctors and
0:08:31 > 0:08:35nurses are leaving for the private sector. People have to wait a long
0:08:35 > 0:08:42time to get operations fixed or done. The NHS is facing a financial
0:08:42 > 0:08:46and human resources traces from every aspect.This is not helping.
0:08:46 > 0:08:53You are a nurse?It is not good at all. No indication of the pay cap
0:08:53 > 0:08:58being raised. Nothing left for nurses. We are tomorrow lysed and
0:08:58 > 0:09:03overworked. We cannot recruit. People are leaving. It is not good
0:09:03 > 0:09:10for nurses. I do not know where this goes.And the view from the student?
0:09:10 > 0:09:18Not particularly much that was great for students. The transparent young
0:09:18 > 0:09:21people vote, with stamp duty. It showed signs of a government that
0:09:21 > 0:09:24has lost confidence and its own principles and the ability to make
0:09:24 > 0:09:28their case for those principles in any sort of ambitious way. The
0:09:28 > 0:09:34budget surplus has been kicked into long grass. An even welcome measures
0:09:34 > 0:09:39like the stamp duty reform do not come from an ideological place, but
0:09:39 > 0:09:42almost bending to the Labour Party. Freight and that they are breathing
0:09:42 > 0:09:50down their necks. It shows a government that has lost confidence.
0:09:50 > 0:09:57You are nodding your head?No? I was just good to say I do not think
0:09:57 > 0:10:06enough has been done to alleviate fears of Universal Credit. Cardiff
0:10:06 > 0:10:12food bank provided 14,500 people last year. 5876 children. These
0:10:12 > 0:10:17figures are expected to be rising by 30% across Cardiff in February next
0:10:17 > 0:10:25year.What is your reaction?I think the budget today is very pleasing. I
0:10:25 > 0:10:28think the Chancellor has done a lot to help young people across the
0:10:28 > 0:10:35country. The abolition of the stamp duty which is going to help 80% of
0:10:35 > 0:10:43first time buyers. £44 billion invested into home-building. The
0:10:43 > 0:10:54objective of having 300,000 homes built every year starting until the
0:10:54 > 0:10:59mid 2020s. 2.8 billion invested into the NHS. Regarding tax, we have that
0:10:59 > 0:11:07the tax allowance raised to £11,850. That is going to help the poorest in
0:11:07 > 0:11:25society. Finally, the rail card scheme.Over to the politicians.
0:11:28 > 0:11:32Joining me, Adam Price, as well as the leader of Welsh Lib Dems, and
0:11:32 > 0:11:37David Davis. We can start on that point, stamp duty, the cut and
0:11:37 > 0:11:46abolition of 300,000 going to shoot prices up?
0:11:46 > 0:11:49The Chancellor has made it clear, the only way to bring down house
0:11:49 > 0:11:52prices is to build lots more of them. That means controlling the
0:11:52 > 0:11:56numbers of population growth. We have a growth in the population of
0:11:56 > 0:12:02around 500,000 people a year. Unless we can build housing, shops, roads,
0:12:02 > 0:12:06factories, workplaces, for those people, many of those coming into
0:12:06 > 0:12:11this country. We will have a problem. Also means building on
0:12:11 > 0:12:15greenfield sites. Those people who complain loudest about building on
0:12:15 > 0:12:21greenfield sites are the first to demand we have Brexit, open borders,
0:12:21 > 0:12:27and welcome everyone into the country.I want to get round all of
0:12:27 > 0:12:30you. You did not answer on stamp duty. Would you expect the Welsh
0:12:30 > 0:12:37government to do the same? It is the bold, stamp duty?Stamp duty will be
0:12:37 > 0:12:41devolved next March. Wales has already set the pace. We have
0:12:41 > 0:12:49targeted announcements, the young people trying to get in the housing
0:12:49 > 0:12:52ladder will be given a helping hand by the Welsh government, raising the
0:12:52 > 0:13:01threshold of stamp duty up to 150,000.The Westminster government
0:13:01 > 0:13:03has gone further. Should the Welsh government match them?There are
0:13:03 > 0:13:10some predictions today that the lift of stamp duty in England will only
0:13:10 > 0:13:17benefit 3500 people. £900,000 per person. If these predictions are
0:13:17 > 0:13:23true, it is a waste of money.Let's bring it back to the studio. £1.2
0:13:23 > 0:13:26billion extra for the Welsh government and Wales to spend. You
0:13:26 > 0:13:32must welcome that, in Plaid Cymru? It is smoke and mirrors. The
0:13:32 > 0:13:35Scottish Government in the same position, half the money has to be
0:13:35 > 0:13:44back. Wales is getting given 200 million a year over three years.The
0:13:44 > 0:13:48Welsh Secretary said that is rubbish.Small builders in England
0:13:48 > 0:13:52are getting more than we are getting in Wales for the whole of society.
0:13:52 > 0:13:58Anything good for Wales?What they could have done, an opportunity for
0:13:58 > 0:14:02Wales, a country that deserves a break. Deserves an opportunity. We
0:14:02 > 0:14:08could start a new global industry. Asking and pleading, putting the
0:14:08 > 0:14:12case together, and we get more delay. Let's look at North Wales,
0:14:12 > 0:14:19this scheme. Not much detail.Do you welcome it? Absolutely, we welcome
0:14:19 > 0:14:23anything looking at growth. To be honest, the North Wales Grove deal
0:14:23 > 0:14:28was announced in the spring. My understanding is, there has not been
0:14:28 > 0:14:34much progress. Pleased to see there is a mid Wales Grove proposal. We
0:14:34 > 0:14:37need action, a bigger picture. The problem with this budget, did not
0:14:37 > 0:14:40give a vision, talking about what the future of Wales should look
0:14:40 > 0:14:45like. That is really disappointing. A real opportunity, and it was
0:14:45 > 0:14:50missed.Universal Credit, a big headache for many people in Wales.
0:14:50 > 0:14:55They are putting in 1.5 billion to sort out what they make all teething
0:14:55 > 0:15:00problems. Seven-day delay. Do you welcome that?I do think they can
0:15:00 > 0:15:04take any credit for dealing with mistakes they created in the first
0:15:04 > 0:15:10place. The most glaring errors you can expect. How could they expect
0:15:10 > 0:15:16people on the bread line below it to live for 4-6 weeks. You have to be
0:15:16 > 0:15:19living a different planet. Civic anything like that could work in the
0:15:19 > 0:15:23first place. I don't think spreadsheet Phil has any idea that
0:15:23 > 0:15:29ordinary people and how they live. Finally, David Davis, back to public
0:15:29 > 0:15:32sector pay, why not lift the cap for everybody in the public sector, he
0:15:32 > 0:15:38missed a chance?We have said we're going to at that. Ultimately, what
0:15:38 > 0:15:43we can do is go spend money we don't have. We have been very clear about
0:15:43 > 0:15:47this, we have to stop borrowing money, live within our means. We
0:15:47 > 0:15:50have raised the amount of money we're spending overall. Increasing
0:15:50 > 0:15:55the amount of money coming out of the richest 1%. Spending more on the
0:15:55 > 0:15:58National Health Service. We can do that in Wales, that is up to their
0:15:58 > 0:16:02Welsh assembly. Young people travel cards, housing for first-time
0:16:02 > 0:16:07buyers. £30 billion investment fund to improve productivity. A lot of
0:16:07 > 0:16:12good stuff in this budget.Lots of hands up, back to Jason. With the
0:16:12 > 0:16:16greatest respect, we hear from politicians every day. We don't hear
0:16:16 > 0:16:19from our audience members every single day. Angie, you have
0:16:19 > 0:16:24travelled from Wrexham to be with us in Cardiff. Let Hammond says this is
0:16:24 > 0:16:29a budget fit for the future of Britain.The EU agree? What Philip
0:16:29 > 0:16:32Hammond has done is demonstrate this budget is not fit for now. All right
0:16:32 > 0:16:37having plans the future, we have heard them all. What is going to
0:16:37 > 0:16:41happen in the future, the deficit reduction. That is going to go one
0:16:41 > 0:16:47until 2031. Real life is happening now. A huge elephant in the room,
0:16:47 > 0:16:55nobody is addressing it. The BMJ, not a lefty think tank. They linked
0:16:55 > 0:17:03120,000 deaths with government austerity. Philip Hammond, Philip
0:17:03 > 0:17:07Hammond, goes tinkering around the edges. We have people sleeping in
0:17:07 > 0:17:13shop doorways all over the country. People dying in shop doorways. You
0:17:13 > 0:17:18have queues of ambulances outside of every A&E in the country. Year
0:17:18 > 0:17:25people sitting at home waiting with baited breath to find out if they
0:17:25 > 0:17:30are going to be a lot of feed their kids this Christmas. Philip Hammond
0:17:30 > 0:17:38stands there, in the dispatch box, cracking jokes. And thinking he is
0:17:38 > 0:17:44some Hannah Jun please. David Davies can hear you. What is your message,
0:17:44 > 0:17:47the guitar Mr Hammond tomorrow when he sees them at Westminster? Tell
0:17:47 > 0:17:53him it is about time austerity measures are stopped. The country is
0:17:53 > 0:17:58on its knees. It is fed up of austerity. Fed up of something which
0:17:58 > 0:18:02is a political choice. You have proven that to date. You have pulled
0:18:02 > 0:18:10all these rabbits out of a hat. You were tinkering.It is a choice. It
0:18:10 > 0:18:15is a choice we can make. Whether we borrow money we don't have, adding
0:18:15 > 0:18:19it to a debt of £1.7 trillion. Whether we try to reduce that, at
0:18:19 > 0:18:24some point pay off the debt. We have cut a middle course. We could do
0:18:24 > 0:18:28what you suggested early on, keep paying off the deficit, keep
0:18:28 > 0:18:32borrowing from that would mean further cuts. The economy has grown
0:18:32 > 0:18:38faster than we expected, we have reduced the speed we pay back the
0:18:38 > 0:18:44deficit. Ultimately you cannot spend money you don't have. We borrowed
0:18:44 > 0:18:48money for 50 billion each year, adding it to a debt of 1.7 trillion,
0:18:48 > 0:18:52which our children will have to pay. One of the ways we could bring
0:18:52 > 0:18:54ourselves out of the current austerity would be to take the route
0:18:54 > 0:19:01of technology, we have an incredible workforce in Wales. The future,
0:19:01 > 0:19:06certainly for disabled people, which by the way a quarter of the
0:19:06 > 0:19:11population of Wales are disabled people. A huge amount. Technology,
0:19:11 > 0:19:14driverless cars, I would love one of those if I could possibly ever
0:19:14 > 0:19:21afford one. Artificial intelligence. I cannot imagine for one moment my
0:19:21 > 0:19:25personal assistants could be replaced by robot. In terms of
0:19:25 > 0:19:29squeezing painters to my palate, picking paint off the floor.Jacob,
0:19:29 > 0:19:39you want to talk about 5G.Fantastic concept, but lots of parts of Wales
0:19:39 > 0:19:45cannot get earlier technologies. The rural economy and without having
0:19:45 > 0:19:47broadband, businesses cannot operate in an efficient and effective
0:19:47 > 0:19:52manner.It is a necessity. People are dying, people sleeping on the
0:19:52 > 0:19:57streets. Is 5G our main concern, driverless cars.Quite compelling
0:19:57 > 0:20:04argument.Very compelling argument. 5G, is it necessary when they cannot
0:20:04 > 0:20:10work or they have got in place? Jamie, you have user feedback.What
0:20:10 > 0:20:14happened? I was a victim of circumstance, my partner lost his
0:20:14 > 0:20:19job, we were both full-time working parents. He went the many
0:20:19 > 0:20:25interviews, told he was overqualified in some places, we
0:20:25 > 0:20:28were destitute.How can we talk about driverless cars, will when
0:20:28 > 0:20:34people are using food banks?Exactly the point. A case of investing in
0:20:34 > 0:20:39technology, in areas, brilliant. You need to sort other things affecting
0:20:39 > 0:20:43people's day today lives. Without thinking what is happening with this
0:20:43 > 0:20:49future technology.You have not spoken, Alex.Our firefighter. He
0:20:49 > 0:20:53has given with one hand, taken with another. Either public sector
0:20:53 > 0:21:01worker, he is trying to have me by my first time, but I'm a 1% pay cap
0:21:01 > 0:21:05since I have entered the service. How my going to buy a home? The
0:21:05 > 0:21:08budget today has done nothing to impact on people's working day
0:21:08 > 0:21:15living lives. It has done little bit, but not enough for me,
0:21:15 > 0:21:21personally, as a retired person, the only difference this budget has made
0:21:21 > 0:21:24to me, some time, hopefully in the future I will not have to pay the
0:21:24 > 0:21:29tolls on the Severn Bridge.About technology, we need to use the
0:21:29 > 0:21:35skills, put people back into work. Like yourself, your partner,
0:21:35 > 0:21:38presumably, who had great skill, but could not get work.Technology is
0:21:38 > 0:21:43one area. You have been defending the government, Mr Hammond. The
0:21:43 > 0:21:47majority of this audience a pretty disgruntled.Important to remember
0:21:47 > 0:21:52why we have austerity Britain. When the Conservatives took over in 2010
0:21:52 > 0:22:00after 13 years...No, no.We inherited the biggest peacetime
0:22:00 > 0:22:05deficit. In the history of this nation. I think this budget is
0:22:05 > 0:22:13incredibly positive.You are not experiencing it. This is what people
0:22:13 > 0:22:19going to feedback.14 out of 100 people attending the feedback last
0:22:19 > 0:22:25year alone. People are dying.This budget was incredibly positive.
0:22:25 > 0:22:29People that constantly run this country down are wilfully incorrect.
0:22:29 > 0:22:36Britain has potential.It is the people who run this country down.
0:22:36 > 0:22:41Our friend Adriaan runs a pub, has not spoken. I want him to leave the
0:22:41 > 0:22:46studio happy. We will come to you, Adrian, next. On the point of
0:22:46 > 0:22:52austerity, we have had seven years of it. Jane Dodds, you back
0:22:52 > 0:22:57austerity, in Govan to time, it has not worked.Absolutely not. Not
0:22:57 > 0:23:02something I would have supported at all. We have to look at what is
0:23:02 > 0:23:06happening with poor people. The politicians have to be the voices of
0:23:06 > 0:23:10people who do not have a voice. We had to say loud and clear austerity
0:23:10 > 0:23:15has not worked. We had to make sure people on Universal Credit, we stop
0:23:15 > 0:23:22Universal Credit. We heard from the Welsh children's Commissioner about
0:23:22 > 0:23:27how concerned she is about children in Wales. We had to roll back, and
0:23:27 > 0:23:30say we need to put money into the economy, help and support people.
0:23:30 > 0:23:37People struggling. Would you spend more?We have not had austerity for
0:23:37 > 0:23:40very long, but double the national debt. What we have is the wrong
0:23:40 > 0:23:46priorities. Finding £40 billion to pay the EU ransom demand. Spending
0:23:46 > 0:23:5115 billion a year on foreign aid. £80 billion over the next ten years
0:23:51 > 0:23:56on NHS.3 billion extra for Brexit? Who knows whether that will be
0:23:56 > 0:24:01needed. This is just to provide against possibilities for the
0:24:01 > 0:24:04future. Not cache that is going to go into the economy. The government
0:24:04 > 0:24:08has the wrong priorities. Tens of billions of pounds that could be
0:24:08 > 0:24:11redirected into quality programmes, infrastructure investment, instead
0:24:11 > 0:24:15it is going to foreign aid, paying into the EU, nonsense projects like
0:24:15 > 0:24:22HS2.350 million will be coming to the NHS after Brexit?I hope we will
0:24:22 > 0:24:26be able to substantially increase the NHS budget.What will that 3
0:24:26 > 0:24:31billion for Brexit go on?There was a call for the Chancellor to ensure
0:24:31 > 0:24:35the money was there, so if we pull out of the European Union without
0:24:35 > 0:24:39any sort of deal, the money is there to setup the system is needed.
0:24:39 > 0:24:47Straight forward, I work in haulage before the single market, involve it
0:24:47 > 0:24:53a few minutes of paperwork stamps. Infrastructure will be needed. Quite
0:24:53 > 0:24:58right we're doing this, some people in the Main campaign don't realise
0:24:58 > 0:25:02we are serious about this, we're pulling out of the EU, I don't mind
0:25:02 > 0:25:07when we politely deal or not. I will be delighted whether we leave, most
0:25:07 > 0:25:11people will compromise, as I will. To reassure voters who voted to stay
0:25:11 > 0:25:14in. Frustrating that so many people in the European Parliament I talk
0:25:14 > 0:25:21to, other MPs, telling me how we do to get out of Brexit. They have this
0:25:21 > 0:25:24arrogant view, the people who voted for Brexit did not know what they're
0:25:24 > 0:25:27doing, not the sort of people they want to talk to, have around dinner.
0:25:27 > 0:25:36There is an absolute atmosphere of people who think they know best.
0:25:36 > 0:25:39Good for Theresa May and Philip Hammond for making it clear we are
0:25:39 > 0:25:42serious about this, we're pulling out, if we pull out without a deal
0:25:42 > 0:25:47the money is there to set up what we need to put in place.You in the
0:25:47 > 0:25:50chamber this afternoon from a pretty gloomy picture presented future
0:25:50 > 0:25:55growth in the economy. Does not look good for the coming years. What do
0:25:55 > 0:26:01you blame for that?Do you blame Brexit? The fear of Brexit among the
0:26:01 > 0:26:05business community, when you look at the indicators on growth and
0:26:05 > 0:26:11productivity, the closer we get to Brexit, the worse it looks. That has
0:26:11 > 0:26:13had a negative effect. Can I just come back to the point that David
0:26:13 > 0:26:20May. Money set aside for Brexit. The Chancellor has set aside 2.8 billion
0:26:20 > 0:26:24for the National Health Service. It was not supposed to be like this.
0:26:24 > 0:26:30£350 million a week extra for the National Health Service. Now we see
0:26:30 > 0:26:34there is more going to Brexit, more going to Brexit than the National
0:26:34 > 0:26:40Health Service.We have not pulled out yet. When the problems, with all
0:26:40 > 0:26:45due respect to Chris, people in the Main campaign have not given up,
0:26:45 > 0:26:48trying to keep us in, they're whipping up the fear, creating a
0:26:48 > 0:26:52sense in Brussels, if everyone delays, we will change our minds. We
0:26:52 > 0:27:01will not change our minds.Let's be clear, they Brexit for a second. We
0:27:01 > 0:27:05are at a crisis point as in the colony. We have had stagnant wages
0:27:05 > 0:27:11for over a decade. In real terms wages are going down. What people
0:27:11 > 0:27:16have been doing, working longer and longer hours. Wages per hour is
0:27:16 > 0:27:19going down. That is unsustainable. We had a major downgrade of the
0:27:19 > 0:27:24economic forecast for growth. Every decades as the 1970s, there has been
0:27:24 > 0:27:30a recession. Things are bad now, they are getting worse, what we
0:27:30 > 0:27:34deserve from this Chancellor was a transformational budget. A budget
0:27:34 > 0:27:40that rose to the challenge of our times, instead we got tinkering.How
0:27:40 > 0:27:44will it go down in history? Before we returned back to our guests, a
0:27:44 > 0:27:52quick trip down memory lane. The Chancellor's breadbox is a historic
0:27:52 > 0:27:56occasion was that we have our stand-up comedian Lloyd Langford, to
0:27:56 > 0:27:59dig up what this day has meant for the people of Wales over the years.
0:27:59 > 0:28:06Here is the brief history of the budget.Another annual budget has
0:28:06 > 0:28:12been and gone. The day politicos accountants and journalists gather
0:28:12 > 0:28:16around to muse over the contents of a red box. Without doubt the most
0:28:16 > 0:28:20glamorous photo opportunity in the world of government finance. This
0:28:20 > 0:28:26year BBC Wales have given me the key to the vault of archive material
0:28:26 > 0:28:32from the budgets passed. What does it all mean for people in Wales? The
0:28:32 > 0:28:37word budget comes from the old French word meaning little bag. A
0:28:37 > 0:28:44French nobleman's leathery coin purse. Not a euphemism. It is not
0:28:44 > 0:28:48known when this budget term started been used to describe government
0:28:48 > 0:28:54spending plans. It is thought to be around the 1720s. Frankly the BBC
0:28:54 > 0:29:00footage from back then is rubbish. Let's jump forward. In the 1970s
0:29:00 > 0:29:05budget day was all a deals. Get your electrical goods, before the
0:29:05 > 0:29:13Chancellor put prices up. Sort of like Black Friday, but people having
0:29:13 > 0:29:18fights over plasma telly. You can get deals like this, these fabulous
0:29:18 > 0:29:25Mel Ards. Moving into the 1980s and 1990s. From what I can tell about
0:29:25 > 0:29:28BBC Wales news footage. Our main concern on budget day was the price
0:29:28 > 0:29:33of booze and cigarettes. News reporters flocked to pubs in their
0:29:33 > 0:29:37droves. Everyone was dying to know, what does the budget mean for
0:29:37 > 0:29:45drinkers and smokers?Another two p on beer.Working-class hit again.
0:29:45 > 0:29:51Smuggled back beer from the channel. When we're not worried about alcohol
0:29:51 > 0:29:55and tobacco, our main concern is the price of fuel. In rural Wales this
0:29:55 > 0:30:02is no joke.Driven off course by a huge drop in oil prices. The
0:30:02 > 0:30:08motorist will have to pay the price of the pumps.What impact will this
0:30:08 > 0:30:12budget have on motorists in the rural counties?The motorist that is
0:30:12 > 0:30:16after year after year with these cuts. We can give up smoking and
0:30:16 > 0:30:19drinking, we cannot give up our motorcar.If there is one thread
0:30:19 > 0:30:23that runs all the way through my brief budget history, it is that
0:30:23 > 0:30:27Wales, at least according to itself, gets hard done by.For us in Wales a
0:30:27 > 0:30:31budget of missed opportunities. Nothing in this budget which would
0:30:31 > 0:30:35help people in Wales.Wales have the rough end of the stick this time.
0:30:35 > 0:30:40Remember if you are a drink your smoker, homeowner, who drives a
0:30:40 > 0:30:43large motor, tonight is the night to drown your sorrows. Tomorrow, switch
0:30:43 > 0:30:53to two wheels. BBC Wales today, Westminster.He has not changed a
0:30:53 > 0:30:59bit. Still at the same bike. Now then, spreadsheet Phil, how did he
0:30:59 > 0:31:05do? Struggling Chancellor.Did he do that today? I have no idea about the
0:31:05 > 0:31:09internal dynamics of the Tory party. If the budget and Chancellor is
0:31:09 > 0:31:14remembered for anything it is being unmemorable.Would you agree?
0:31:14 > 0:31:18Absolutely, he should go. We need someone with a vision, someone to do
0:31:18 > 0:31:26the best they can.He plays safe. His biggest play was not to have bad
0:31:26 > 0:31:30headlines tomorrow?Will he achieve that?May be, it is dull, we need
0:31:30 > 0:31:31something transformational. Something forward-looking and
0:31:31 > 0:31:38visionary.We did not get that. A point from the audience. Too many
0:31:38 > 0:31:43jokes, these are serious times? Absolutely. There are budgets which
0:31:43 > 0:31:47other bellwethers of history. We needed that kind of vision. We are
0:31:47 > 0:31:54facing troubling times. Yet what we got, I think was insubstantial, from
0:31:54 > 0:32:01insubstantial figure.Chris, spend, spend, spend for Labour. John
0:32:01 > 0:32:05McDonnell would get the cheque-book out?The key thing for Philip
0:32:05 > 0:32:09Hammond, the key purpose of the budget was to preserve his job. He
0:32:09 > 0:32:15pulled out enough little rabbits out of a hat probably to survive for the
0:32:15 > 0:32:20next year. It did nothing to help Britain in troubled times.David
0:32:20 > 0:32:25Davies, people like you will decide his future. 18 Brexiteer. He is not
0:32:25 > 0:32:32perhaps Brexit enough for you.As far as I'm concerned, he has
0:32:32 > 0:32:35delivered £25 billion for business. Supported local shops and
0:32:35 > 0:32:39businesses. In England, hope that'll happen in Wales. Severn Bridge fees
0:32:39 > 0:32:45are down. The line to Cardiff will go ahead. More money for the NHS.
0:32:45 > 0:32:47Let's see whether Labour deliver that in Wales. You are backing the
0:32:47 > 0:32:51Chancellor. Doing in absolutely superb job. Unemployment at the
0:32:51 > 0:32:57lowest on record lows. Growth continues. Everything is going very
0:32:57 > 0:33:01well.I don't think our audience will agree. Going back to
0:33:01 > 0:33:08politicians. Ageing is itching to get in.The publican. This budget
0:33:08 > 0:33:14didn't nowhere near enough for pubs. Vital to society. Pubs are the
0:33:14 > 0:33:21community. There was a freeze on beer duty, but we pay among the
0:33:21 > 0:33:26highest in Europe on beer duty. Ten times more than Germany, Spain. Yes
0:33:26 > 0:33:31there was a rate relief of an extra thousand pounds for the next year.
0:33:31 > 0:33:37On average, rates in pubs in Wales have gone up £800. This budget was
0:33:37 > 0:33:42saying we're not going to make things worse, that is what the
0:33:42 > 0:33:44budget said.With the greatest respect to pub landlords and
0:33:44 > 0:33:51farmers, stop moaning, diversify.To be honest with you, you are saying,
0:33:51 > 0:33:54Welsh farmers, at the forefront of diversification. Only so many of us
0:33:54 > 0:34:01can diversify. 61% food, self-sufficient. Food security needs
0:34:01 > 0:34:05to be at the forefront of everything moving forward. If you don't have
0:34:05 > 0:34:09food for me don't.I would like to defend Philip Hammond the spending
0:34:09 > 0:34:15on the research. The UK deserves more money to spend on research.
0:34:15 > 0:34:19People come to the UK because for years it has been at the forefront
0:34:19 > 0:34:23of research and development. With the new spending the budget we will
0:34:23 > 0:34:27catch up with the rest of the world. The US and Germany. Leave the
0:34:27 > 0:34:31spending extra money on research and develop them.I wish we had so much
0:34:31 > 0:34:35more time. Absolutely wonderful, thank you to stop sorry I could not
0:34:35 > 0:34:41get your final point. We will be back next week in the same time,
0:34:41 > 0:34:48same place. Thanks to all our guests and youth are watching. From all of
0:34:48 > 0:34:49us, good night.