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:00:00. > :00:08.The choice is in your hands, but my recommendation is clear -

:00:09. > :00:10.I believe that Britain will be safer, stronger and better off

:00:11. > :00:21.So the debate has started and the date is set -

:00:22. > :00:24.British voters will decide on June the 23rd if they want to stay

:00:25. > :00:29.The announcement was made here in Downing Street,

:00:30. > :00:31.where the Prime Minister chaired a cabinet meeting and explained

:00:32. > :00:36.the new deal he'd negotiated in Brussels.

:00:37. > :00:39.But these senior ministers have decided not to side

:00:40. > :00:44.with the Prime Minister and will campaign to leave.

:00:45. > :00:47.I do not believe we can take decisions in our national interest

:00:48. > :00:50.when we're part of the EU when we've given up so much control over

:00:51. > :01:00.We'll be asking voters in Surrey for their thoughts

:01:01. > :01:02.on the referendum, now that the date has been confirmed.

:01:03. > :01:04.And we'll be reporting from Edinburgh, where

:01:05. > :01:07.the Scottish Government says it will be making a strong case

:01:08. > :01:33.for remaining inside the European Union.

:01:34. > :01:35.Good evening from Downing Street, where earlier today

:01:36. > :01:37.the Prime Minister emerged from Number 10

:01:38. > :01:40.to announce that a referendum will be held on the 23rd of June

:01:41. > :01:42.to decide whether or not Britain should remain a member

:01:43. > :01:48.It will be - in his words - one of the biggest

:01:49. > :01:53.Mr Cameron had informed the cabinet of the new terms of EU membership

:01:54. > :01:57.But several of Mr Cameron's cabinet colleagues -

:01:58. > :01:58.including the Justice Secretary Michael Gove -

:01:59. > :02:01.have announced today that they will campaign for Britain

:02:02. > :02:09.We'll have more on the detail of Mr Cameron's deal in a moment,

:02:10. > :02:11.but first our political editor Laura Kuenssberg reports

:02:12. > :02:18.Just what has the Prime Minister opened up?

:02:19. > :02:24.An argument that not all of his colleagues can agree on.

:02:25. > :02:27.What does this deal mean to your colleagues?

:02:28. > :02:30.As the Cabinet gathered to tell each other at last officially if they're

:02:31. > :02:35.Was that a difficult decision, Mr Gove?

:02:36. > :02:38.An awkward entrance for one of the Prime

:02:39. > :02:42.Minister's closest friends, who will oppose him.

:02:43. > :02:48.It is no secret how big a decision this is for us all,

:02:49. > :02:50.but what the Prime Minister would recommend was never really

:02:51. > :02:57.With the deal from Brussels in his back pocket, here it was.

:02:58. > :02:59.We are approaching one of the biggest

:03:00. > :03:03.decisions our country will face in our lifetime -

:03:04. > :03:08.whether to remain in a reformed European Union, or to leave.

:03:09. > :03:12.Our plan for Europe gives us the best of both worlds.

:03:13. > :03:16.It underlines our special status, through which families

:03:17. > :03:20.across Britain get all the benefits of being in the European Union,

:03:21. > :03:25.including more jobs, lower prices and greater security.

:03:26. > :03:29.But our special status also means we are out

:03:30. > :03:31.of those parts of Europe that do not work for us.

:03:32. > :03:34.And I will go to Parliament and propose that the

:03:35. > :03:36.British people decide our future in Europe through an in/out

:03:37. > :03:48.But my recommendation is clear - I believe that Britain

:03:49. > :03:56.will be safer, stronger and better off in a reformed European Union.

:03:57. > :03:59.Don't be in any doubt, this is one of biggest political

:04:00. > :04:03.He's finally confirmed, you will be asked the biggest

:04:04. > :04:05.political question in decades and he's putting

:04:06. > :04:10.at stake our membership of the European Union,

:04:11. > :04:12.the unity of his party and indeed his own political

:04:13. > :04:21.I think everyone thinks it is a good deal, the question

:04:22. > :04:24.is whether everybody thinks it is enough for us

:04:25. > :04:31.Those who oppose him slipped out the back door.

:04:32. > :04:40.Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming...

:04:41. > :04:42.A member of the Cabinet, I'm the Secretary for Work

:04:43. > :04:49.and Pensions and I'm ringing you from the Vote Leave campaign.

:04:50. > :04:51.Going straight to the headquarters of one

:04:52. > :05:07.The first Cabinet Minister to speak for out told me.

:05:08. > :05:10.There are things that we could and should be doing in the interests

:05:11. > :05:16.of this country that we simply cannot do as members of EU.

:05:17. > :05:18.I want to be able to control our borders,

:05:19. > :05:21.to limit the number of people who come and live and work here.

:05:22. > :05:25.I want to be able to do trade deals with parts of the world

:05:26. > :05:26.where exciting economic things are happening.

:05:27. > :05:29.But it's not just a disagreement between you and and the Prime

:05:30. > :05:32.Minister, it is a very different judgment on what he has

:05:33. > :05:35.He has brought back from Brussels some changes to our European

:05:36. > :05:37.relationships that can make a difference, but don't

:05:38. > :05:39.transform things in the way I would wish.

:05:40. > :05:41.And you're going to spend the next four months,

:05:42. > :05:44.day in day out, telling the Prime Minister he is wrong

:05:45. > :05:47.I'm not going to attack the Prime Minister.

:05:48. > :05:50.The Prime Minister has worked immensely

:05:51. > :05:51.hard to deliver change to our relationship

:05:52. > :05:56.The debate is whether that change is sufficient to enable us to stay

:05:57. > :06:03.The campaign to stay will have the backing of most Tory,

:06:04. > :06:06.Liberal Democrat, Labour and SNP MPs.

:06:07. > :06:15.We want to be in government in 2020 to deal a much strong stronger

:06:16. > :06:17.social Europe, greater workers' protection,

:06:18. > :06:18.greater environmental protection across Europe.

:06:19. > :06:20.That is the agenda that Cameron should have

:06:21. > :06:25.No 10 hopes a new and improved relationship with the EU can

:06:26. > :06:30.But the referendum will ask if this place,

:06:31. > :06:40.It's three years since the Prime Minister said he would be

:06:41. > :06:43.seeking a new settlement for Britain in the European Union.

:06:44. > :06:46.The new terms he secured in last night's agreement

:06:47. > :06:49.should, according to Mr Cameron, help to reduce people's concerns

:06:50. > :06:54.But how do those new terms compare with his original goals?

:06:55. > :06:58.Are they - as the critics say - a very poor result for the UK?

:06:59. > :06:59.Our deputy political editor James Landale has

:07:00. > :07:06.When David Cameron set out to reform Britain's relationship

:07:07. > :07:10.with the European Union, his ambition was clear.

:07:11. > :07:14.That is why we need fundamental, far-reaching change.

:07:15. > :07:22.Well, one aim was to deter EU migration by curbing their benefits.

:07:23. > :07:26.The Tory manifesto promised that if an EU migrant's child is living

:07:27. > :07:30.abroad, then they should receive no child benefit.

:07:31. > :07:33.The deal says that EU migrants will get child benefit,

:07:34. > :07:35.but only reflecting prices in their own country,

:07:36. > :07:42.A change that comes in immediately for new arrivals, in four years

:07:43. > :07:47.The manifesto also promised that EU migrants who want to claim tax

:07:48. > :07:49.credits must live here and contribute to our country

:07:50. > :07:55.The deal says instead that EU migrants will have their tax credits

:07:56. > :08:01.A restriction that the Government will be able to impose only

:08:02. > :08:06.The Prime Minister also promised to protect Britain from being sucked

:08:07. > :08:13.I'm asking European leaders for a clear, legally binding

:08:14. > :08:15.and irreversible agreement to end Britain's obligation to work

:08:16. > :08:21.So it's time to give these national parliament's a greater say

:08:22. > :08:30.Well, the deal says the UK will indeed not be committed

:08:31. > :08:32.to further political integration and it does give more power

:08:33. > :08:35.to national parliament's to block new EU laws,

:08:36. > :08:38.if more than half of them group together and force EU governments

:08:39. > :08:44.The Prime Minister promised to protect the economy

:08:45. > :08:50.from financial decisions made by eurozone countries.

:08:51. > :08:53.I'm asking European leaders to agree clear and binding principles that

:08:54. > :08:55.protect Britain and other non-euro countries and a safeguard mechanism

:08:56. > :09:01.to ensure that those principles are respected and enforced.

:09:02. > :09:05.The deal bans any discrimination against non-euro countries and gives

:09:06. > :09:08.the UK the right to challenge, but not veto eurozone decisions

:09:09. > :09:14.they oppose, a change that will be written into EU law in the future.

:09:15. > :09:20.So this deal doesn't reduce a deter against migration,

:09:21. > :09:22.safeguards from the eurozone and a check on further political

:09:23. > :09:25.integration, but it doesn't restrict the free movement of labour around

:09:26. > :09:30.Europe, it doesn't change EU employment law, it doesn't reform

:09:31. > :09:32.farm payments, all of which the Prime Minister has

:09:33. > :09:38.So this deal is, by definition, a compromise.

:09:39. > :09:43.The question now is whether it's good enough to convince voters

:09:44. > :09:46.to remain in the EU or so minimal it persuades them to vote to leave.

:09:47. > :09:52.James Landale, BBC News, Westminster.

:09:53. > :09:57.With me is Laura Kuenssberg, our political editor.

:09:58. > :10:03.Let's underline what we know and clearly what we don't know. One

:10:04. > :10:08.thing is now definitely happening. At the end of June we will have the

:10:09. > :10:14.chance to leave the European Union if that is what the country decide

:10:15. > :10:17.it wants. After four decades since that question was put that is a very

:10:18. > :10:21.significant political question for the country to settle about leaving

:10:22. > :10:28.an institution that has been a fundamental part of how we, our

:10:29. > :10:33.lives are governed for many years. Another extraordinary thing is we

:10:34. > :10:40.have No 10 presiding over a cabinet that is split. It is usually part of

:10:41. > :10:45.government to look unified. And that is not the case. One big thing

:10:46. > :10:50.unresolved is whether the gang of six we saw will become a gang of

:10:51. > :10:54.seven and whether they will be joined by Boris Johnson. This time

:10:55. > :11:00.tomorrow night, we will know whether or not Boris Johnson has decided to

:11:01. > :11:04.campaign to leave the EU. He will set out his arguments for that in

:11:05. > :11:07.his newspaper column on Monday. At this stage after the hovering and

:11:08. > :11:14.sitting on the fence the surprise would be if Boris Johnson backed

:11:15. > :11:18.David Cameron and argued for in. It is still not certain, but it look

:11:19. > :11:22.like he will put his weight behind the out campaign. That matters

:11:23. > :11:25.because he is a rare kind of politician who can cut through to

:11:26. > :11:30.the public for good or ill. Thank you.

:11:31. > :11:32.In Edinburgh, the Scottish Government

:11:33. > :11:34.says it will make the case for remaining in the European Union.

:11:35. > :11:36.The First Minister and leader of the SNP,

:11:37. > :11:38.Nicola Sturgeon, said it was now more important

:11:39. > :11:40.than ever that those who supported EU membership

:11:41. > :11:42.said so loudly and clearly, as our Scotland editor

:11:43. > :11:50.On a dreich Edinburgh afternoon, people still enjoy a few European

:11:51. > :11:59.But seriously, what happens in the EU

:12:00. > :12:00.referendum in June could have far-reaching consequences in

:12:01. > :12:09.This referendum is meant to end the debate about Britain's

:12:10. > :12:11.future in or out of the European Union, but it

:12:12. > :12:13.could raise all sorts of questions about the future

:12:14. > :12:17.If the UK were to vote to leave, while Scotland had

:12:18. > :12:20.clearly indicated voters wanted to remain, that could cause a second

:12:21. > :12:22.referendum on Scottish independence, one the Nationalists might be more

:12:23. > :12:28.The SNP insists Scotland should not be

:12:29. > :12:33.forced out of the EU if that is not what Scots vote for.

:12:34. > :12:36.I hope it doesn't happen, I hope the UK as a whole votes

:12:37. > :12:40.to stay in, but I think it's obvious to anybody that if Scotland found

:12:41. > :12:41.itself being taken out of the European Union

:12:42. > :12:43.against our will, people would want to think

:12:44. > :12:47.again about being independent, as a way to secure our membership.

:12:48. > :12:49.In a French cafe in Edinburgh, the argument about Britain's future

:12:50. > :12:53.in the EU is seen as part of wider ongoing debate about Scotland's

:12:54. > :13:00.Scotland is used to being part of a larger union and it knows

:13:01. > :13:04.England has not had that experience and it's scary to them.

:13:05. > :13:06.England has auz always been a dominant part

:13:07. > :13:15.It doesn't know how to be the smaller part of a bigger union.

:13:16. > :13:19.Scotland is a important nation throughout the world,

:13:20. > :13:23.it is a key exporter, it has led the world

:13:24. > :13:25.in research and development and what we are now part

:13:26. > :13:27.of is an ever-shrinking part of the global market.

:13:28. > :13:33.And I think even though we have had some

:13:34. > :13:37.success in Europe in the past, it is time to move on.

:13:38. > :13:39.It can be a pretty lonely job trying to persuade Scots

:13:40. > :13:41.to vote to leave and nearly all the senior politicians

:13:42. > :13:45.in Scotland will be campaigning to stay.

:13:46. > :13:49.Here in Scotland, we need a Scottish government to stand up

:13:50. > :13:54.against Brussels and fight for our steel

:13:55. > :13:56.workers and steel industry, our farming industry and our fishing

:13:57. > :14:00.industry and sadly they're not doing that.

:14:01. > :14:05.Those campaigning to stay in the EU have a much easier job in Scotland.

:14:06. > :14:08.Polls show Scots are more likely to opt to remain than voters

:14:09. > :14:13.So in the end, it could be Scottish votes

:14:14. > :14:39.The date was confirmed, June 23rd when British voters will decide

:14:40. > :14:44.whether the U. K stays in the European Union.

:14:45. > :14:47.Nick Higham has been talking to voters in Camberley in Surrey,

:14:48. > :14:49.where the local MP is Michael Gove, the Justice Secretary,

:14:50. > :14:59.The wind and rain kept many of the shoppers indoors,

:15:00. > :15:02.a chance to ask the stall holders what they think of Europe

:15:03. > :15:05.and which way they will vote in the referendum.

:15:06. > :15:11.Are you going to vote to stay in or go out.

:15:12. > :15:16.It is crippling our country, especially small

:15:17. > :15:21.We are being ruled by unelected people in Brussels

:15:22. > :15:29.We have lost a lot of our independence, but then we do,

:15:30. > :15:33.being part of Europe does work for us financially.

:15:34. > :15:35.Wouldn't you have to pay more for your imported

:15:36. > :15:43.People like the Greeks would probably charge us a lot

:15:44. > :15:48.This is Michael Gove's constituency, overwhelmingly

:15:49. > :15:57.Conservative, but just as the Cabinet is divided over

:15:58. > :15:59.Europe, so are Mr Gove's constituents.

:16:00. > :16:02.I would definitely be on his side, I just don't think the way things

:16:03. > :16:04.are in Europe, Europe's getting too big

:16:05. > :16:07.and I think we should be better off trading with the rest of the world

:16:08. > :16:11.As Europe's grown, it is getting too big.

:16:12. > :16:14.It is best for our security, it is best for our economic

:16:15. > :16:21.I think jobs will benefit from staying in Europe.

:16:22. > :16:23.Coming out of the rain as you discover that Camberley's

:16:24. > :16:25.main shopping centre is busy and bustling.

:16:26. > :16:28.You would expect that, this is a wealthy part of the world.

:16:29. > :16:31.The other thing you discover is that even though the local MP has come

:16:32. > :16:34.down firmly on one side of the argument, many people around

:16:35. > :16:35.here are still undecided about which way

:16:36. > :16:39.I'm going to listen to all the arguments actually.

:16:40. > :16:43.I thought I would be staying in, but I'm just going to listen

:16:44. > :16:46.to all the arguments before making a decision.

:16:47. > :17:02.I need to know about the benefits of being in or out.

:17:03. > :17:05.I haven't decided, I don't think I know enough at the moment

:17:06. > :17:08.Despite David Cameron's deal in Brussels, it seems

:17:09. > :17:15.And just a reminder that you can find detail,

:17:16. > :17:17.background and analysis about the referendum

:17:18. > :17:32.and the all issues involved on our website at bbc.co.uk/news.

:17:33. > :17:41.Laura, given we heard about the up decideds, it shows it is all to play

:17:42. > :17:49.for? Yes it is. During those months there will be a bewildering whirl of

:17:50. > :17:55.claim and counter claim. There will be a lot of political focus. How can

:17:56. > :17:59.each party handle it. How does the Government cope with being divided.

:18:00. > :18:08.What it is going to come down for a lot of people is an instinct. It is

:18:09. > :18:13.about our identity and for a lot of people it will be a feeling in their

:18:14. > :18:18.gut. We heard people are not sure about this yet. But no mistake, this

:18:19. > :18:21.is as a country, the biggest political decision we will have made

:18:22. > :18:26.for more than four decades. Thank you.

:18:27. > :18:29.Before we go, a reminder that David Cameron, Nigel Farage

:18:30. > :18:31.and Nicola Sturgeon will all be talking to Andrew Marr tomorrow

:18:32. > :18:33.morning at 9 o'clock here on BBC One.

:18:34. > :18:36.But for now, from all of the team in Downing Street,

:18:37. > :18:57.Good evening. The weather continues to keep us on our toes. Today it

:18:58. > :19:03.felt like spring in the west country with temperatures in the low teens.

:19:04. > :19:06.Contrast that with the winter scene in the Highlands where there has

:19:07. > :19:09.been a lot of snow. The snow will continue to pile up in northern

:19:10. > :19:11.Scotland tonight.