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0:00:15 > 0:00:17Well, that was quick - peace and unity really didn't
0:00:17 > 0:00:18last long in Washington.
0:00:18 > 0:00:20The President was back on Twitter slamming Democrats ahead
0:00:20 > 0:00:22of a Republican Party retreat.
0:00:22 > 0:00:24Mr Trump used his speech to extol the victories
0:00:24 > 0:00:26of his administration and criticise the other side.
0:00:26 > 0:00:28Which tells you, perhaps, they'd rather see us not do
0:00:29 > 0:00:30well than see our country do great.
0:00:30 > 0:00:36And that's not good, that's not good.
0:00:36 > 0:00:38Spicey is back - he lasted six months
0:00:38 > 0:00:45as President Trump's Press Secretary, now Sean Spicer joins
0:00:45 > 0:00:48us to talk about life at the podium.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51The White House clashes with the FBI and Justice department over
0:00:51 > 0:00:52a controversial Russia memo.
0:00:52 > 0:00:54The memo is expected to be released tomorrow.
0:00:54 > 0:01:04Also on the programme...
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0:01:32 > 0:01:34Hello and welcome, I'm Katty Kay in New York
0:01:34 > 0:01:36and Christian Fraser is in London.
0:01:36 > 0:01:38Donald Trump was on friendly territory today giving a Republican
0:01:38 > 0:01:41leadership retreat a long list of his achievements as President.
0:01:41 > 0:01:43The economy, the fight against Isis, the row back of regulation.
0:01:43 > 0:01:45There was a lot for Republicans to celebrate.
0:01:45 > 0:01:50Mr Trump also made a dig at what he sees as the political
0:01:50 > 0:01:52correctness of previous administrations, saying under him
0:01:52 > 0:01:55America doesn't apologise anymore.
0:01:55 > 0:01:57Gone was the appeal to bipartisanship that we heard
0:01:57 > 0:01:59in the State of the Union.
0:01:59 > 0:02:01Mr Trump said he wasn't happy with how the Democrats reacted
0:02:01 > 0:02:06to his announcement on low levels of African American unemployment.
0:02:06 > 0:02:09When I made that statement the other night, there was zero
0:02:09 > 0:02:12movement from the Democrats.
0:02:12 > 0:02:18They sat there, stone cold, no smile, no applause.
0:02:18 > 0:02:21You would have thought that on that one they would have sort of at least
0:02:22 > 0:02:23clapped a little bit.
0:02:23 > 0:02:25Which tells you, perhaps, they'd rather see us not do well
0:02:25 > 0:02:27than see our country do great.
0:02:27 > 0:02:29And that's he not good, that's not good.
0:02:29 > 0:02:30We have to change that.
0:02:30 > 0:02:35APPLAUSE
0:02:35 > 0:02:38Well, few people know the President's message better
0:02:38 > 0:02:41than his Press Secretary and that's the role Sean Spicer played
0:02:41 > 0:02:50for the first six months of this administration.
0:02:52 > 0:02:59We didn't use chemical weapons inle World War II you had someone as
0:02:59 > 0:03:04despicable as hilt letter who didn't use chemical weapons. I think
0:03:04 > 0:03:08there's no question that the Obama administration that there were
0:03:08 > 0:03:13actions about surveillance and other activities that occurred in the 2016
0:03:13 > 0:03:15election.
0:03:15 > 0:03:17This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration -
0:03:17 > 0:03:20period - both in person and around the globe.
0:03:21 > 0:03:24The bureaucrats have a problem with it. They should get with the
0:03:24 > 0:03:28programme or they can go. It's an honour to do this. Yes, I believe
0:03:28 > 0:03:31that we have to be Hong west the American people. I think sometimes
0:03:31 > 0:03:34we can disagree with the facts.
0:03:34 > 0:03:36And Sean joins us now.
0:03:36 > 0:03:41Thank you very much for joining the programme. We are getting you on a
0:03:41 > 0:03:44good day because on one of your first days at the press podium you
0:03:44 > 0:03:50had to defend record crowd sizes at the inauguration. The President
0:03:50 > 0:03:53tweeted out about his State of the Union address that he had record
0:03:53 > 0:04:00viewing numbers. Let's look at that. He said, Said...
0:04:06 > 0:04:10The problem with that statement is that it's not actually true because
0:04:10 > 0:04:16you look back at recent presidents and Bill Clinton for example, he had
0:04:16 > 0:04:25higher numbers as well during his term, 45.8 million. President Bush
0:04:25 > 0:04:28had 51 million, President Obama had 48 million. It wouldn't matter
0:04:28 > 0:04:31except, as you know, you served a President who has this needed to say
0:04:31 > 0:04:36that everything is the biggest. Why does he do that? Does he believe he
0:04:36 > 0:04:41had bigger ratings for his State of the Union address than any President
0:04:41 > 0:04:46has had before?Two things. One, I'm out of the audience and crowd size
0:04:46 > 0:04:51business. Number two, I think with respect to your question the
0:04:51 > 0:04:56President is a marketer. He's - this is what he has been doing wist his
0:04:56 > 0:05:01whole life. Selling buildings and talking about shows and how well the
0:05:01 > 0:05:05ratings are doing. He has his own way of presenting himself. I would
0:05:05 > 0:05:08refer you back to the White House Press Office with respect to this
0:05:08 > 0:05:12particular one.When you stood up there and you had to defend the
0:05:12 > 0:05:16crowd sizes you must have known the crowd size was not as big as you
0:05:16 > 0:05:21were having to say it was, right? I'm not here to relitigate the past.
0:05:21 > 0:05:25I don't think it's why you have asked me on for this interview. For
0:05:25 > 0:05:30what it's worth, you know, I think the goals we try to, not clearly not
0:05:30 > 0:05:33that you can is sellsful, was to really talk about the total audience
0:05:33 > 0:05:37size. Not just in person, but people who had viewed it, people who had
0:05:37 > 0:05:40watched it beyond line in various platforms. In some of the platforms,
0:05:40 > 0:05:46in terms of Facebook live and Twitter live, things on internet
0:05:46 > 0:05:50sites didn't exist when, eight years prior. I thought we were on safe
0:05:50 > 0:05:53ground talking about overall viewership not just audience size. I
0:05:53 > 0:05:57think for a lot of folk that is is what they clung today because I
0:05:57 > 0:06:01think we needed to be more specific. At the end of the day we were trying
0:06:01 > 0:06:06to make it more about overall audience size and viewership and,
0:06:06 > 0:06:11you know, again I think it was a few aisle battle and we shufr focused
0:06:11 > 0:06:13more on agenda.The problem with this from the President's point of
0:06:13 > 0:06:17view, he has good news to sell at the moment. The ratings for the
0:06:17 > 0:06:21State of the Union address were high he has legitimate things he can
0:06:21 > 0:06:25state about the state of the US economy. Why step on his own message
0:06:25 > 0:06:29when he tweets something out like this that is not true. Around the
0:06:29 > 0:06:32world people say - there goes the President of the United States
0:06:32 > 0:06:34again, we can't trust Donald Trump, we can't trust what he says. Those
0:06:34 > 0:06:40are not the facts. That's a problem? Well, I think, you know, if we want
0:06:40 > 0:06:44to talk about hyperbole. What you said is not true either. To say
0:06:44 > 0:06:47people say this around the world. Look, the bottom line is, he has his
0:06:47 > 0:06:51own style. Had's been effective for him in business and real estate. He
0:06:51 > 0:06:56got elected. I will agree with the fact I thought he did a phenomenal
0:06:56 > 0:06:59job laying out a vision for the country and talking about where
0:06:59 > 0:07:04we've been in this past year, in terms of both the economic news and
0:07:04 > 0:07:08statistics, the fight against Isis, immigration, foreign policy, threat
0:07:08 > 0:07:12that North Korea faces - the challenges that North Korea is to
0:07:12 > 0:07:17us. And to the rest of the world. I would rather him continue to talk
0:07:17 > 0:07:21about what he said in the State Union and ride this wave for a
0:07:21 > 0:07:25while. I think that it was a well-received speech. When you look
0:07:25 > 0:07:30at the polling, the independence in the country, they really found a lot
0:07:30 > 0:07:33of what he said appealing. They agreed with him. I think they should
0:07:33 > 0:07:37be focussed on continuing to ride the wave of a very, very well given
0:07:37 > 0:07:42speech that was, you know, followed on the heels of a really good speech
0:07:42 > 0:07:47in Davos. The more that he's not distracting from his own messaging
0:07:47 > 0:07:52is very helpful. I would agree that the less he can do to not get off
0:07:52 > 0:07:56that script the better.I told somebody you were coming on the show
0:07:56 > 0:07:59they said, good, looking forward to that. I like Sean Spicer. I think
0:07:59 > 0:08:02there were people who -You must have been talking to my mum or my
0:08:02 > 0:08:06wife then!There were people around the world who were fond of We miss
0:08:06 > 0:08:11you you., Sean.This person said, he always looked when he came to the
0:08:11 > 0:08:16podium that he was in a bit of a fix. That he didn't really know how
0:08:16 > 0:08:17to interpret... Maybe you didn't know what the President was
0:08:17 > 0:08:21thinking. I thought about that, I thought, it can't be easy because
0:08:21 > 0:08:25most traditional Press Secretaries know what their leader wants to say.
0:08:25 > 0:08:32This is the most unpredictable, unscripted President in history?
0:08:32 > 0:08:36That's well said. I think, frankly, I approached the job in a
0:08:36 > 0:08:42traditional way for a very untraditional President. That's
0:08:42 > 0:08:46something that, frankly, all of the folks in the White House and
0:08:46 > 0:08:50throughout the administration have learned. The media have learned that
0:08:50 > 0:08:53and people on Capitol Hill have learnt that. He ran as a
0:08:53 > 0:08:57nontraditional disrupter. He's operating that way. A lot of folks,
0:08:57 > 0:09:00myself included, have grown up in the system, if you will, approached
0:09:00 > 0:09:04the job in a traditional way. You are right, normally you would sit
0:09:04 > 0:09:07there and know what the position of the administration and the White
0:09:07 > 0:09:11House was and go out and articulate it. The President is very hands on.
0:09:11 > 0:09:17I think a lot of times, based on the state of negotiations, has an
0:09:17 > 0:09:21updated view he wants to express. You need in constant contact with
0:09:21 > 0:09:26imhad. To give a shameless plug iechl sold the rights to my
0:09:26 > 0:09:30forthcoming book The Briefing, it's available for pre-order in the UK
0:09:30 > 0:09:34and Amazon.Liking it.It's to be able to go through and explain
0:09:34 > 0:09:39exactly what you are asking for. A lot of people only saw who I was
0:09:39 > 0:09:44through the lens of a one-way lens of the briefing. Part of it is to
0:09:44 > 0:09:49pull back the curtain and explain to people what I was going through. How
0:09:49 > 0:09:54we form lated those thoughts and ideas and actions and give people an
0:09:54 > 0:09:57idea of what was really going on. Take me behind the podium. I'm
0:09:57 > 0:10:02intrigued. You yourself are on-the-record these past few weeks
0:10:02 > 0:10:07saying when there were times when "I cry screwed up." What happened when
0:10:07 > 0:10:11you go behind the screen, does the President love you? Does he chew you
0:10:11 > 0:10:15up? Does he ignore you? How did he react when you would go back on
0:10:15 > 0:10:19those particular days when you got it wrong inWell, again, I think
0:10:19 > 0:10:22that's part of the reason I'm writing a book to walk through a lot
0:10:22 > 0:10:27of this. I would say it's a mixed bag. There were plenty of times when
0:10:27 > 0:10:31it was really painful in the sense I did something I knew I stepped in.
0:10:31 > 0:10:35At those really difficult moments the President was probably the most
0:10:35 > 0:10:39gracious. He would say - I know what you were trying to say Sean, those
0:10:39 > 0:10:43guys in the media they were looking to get you. I know you didn't mean
0:10:43 > 0:10:46it to come out that way. That helped a tonne. Other times when he said -
0:10:46 > 0:10:52why would you say that word? That wasn't what we had talked about. So,
0:10:52 > 0:10:56you know, there was moments of disappointment. I would feel bad I
0:10:56 > 0:11:03had not checked in with him or articulated in a way he hadn't
0:11:03 > 0:11:07wanted it expressed. In most cases the President was extremely gracious
0:11:07 > 0:11:11and frankly forgiving.When you watch the White House now and we are
0:11:11 > 0:11:16actually in a period where there has been a bit of an uptake in the
0:11:16 > 0:11:19President's approval numbers and the state of the economy, as you were
0:11:19 > 0:11:22saying earlier, do you watch those briefings and think to yourself - I
0:11:22 > 0:11:29wish I was back at the podium? Or does part of you think, phew, thank
0:11:29 > 0:11:33God that's not me?Definitely the latter. I enjoyed. It I know people
0:11:33 > 0:11:38sometimes find it hard to believe. When you get a front row seat to
0:11:38 > 0:11:44history. To do a job that... It's like if you are a kid in the US
0:11:44 > 0:11:49growing up playing baseball, or rugby or soccer or football in the
0:11:49 > 0:11:52UK you think you are watching that team. I can't imagine what it would
0:11:52 > 0:11:58be like to play in the World Series on your side or the Super Bowl.
0:11:58 > 0:12:03Realise one day you are on that field, in that game. It's quite an
0:12:03 > 0:12:09honour. That being said, I enjoy being a viewer as opposed to a
0:12:09 > 0:12:14briefer much more these days. I still want to be a supporter of the
0:12:14 > 0:12:18President's policies and agenda and do what I can. It's - the stress
0:12:18 > 0:12:22level has gone down. The President looked at me and said, "my God you
0:12:22 > 0:12:29look 10 years younger."I was going to say, you lost 20lb too. Is there
0:12:29 > 0:12:33anything you think, given the unconventional nature of this
0:12:33 > 0:12:35presidency and what you talked about earlier, do you think there is
0:12:35 > 0:12:40anything you could have done, as an aide to the President, to make those
0:12:40 > 0:12:45first few months less chaotic than they were? Or is that just not
0:12:45 > 0:12:51possible?It's a good question. The answer is yes, in hindsight it...
0:12:51 > 0:12:55Look, I think when you guys get off air there is probably times when a
0:12:55 > 0:12:59viewer or a colleague will send you a question. You know, wouldn't it
0:12:59 > 0:13:04have been good to follow up with the guest in this way or a question that
0:13:04 > 0:13:08would have been good and you go - you know what, you are right.Every
0:13:08 > 0:13:16day.I look at it the same way. Exactly. Hindsight is 20/20. Knowing
0:13:16 > 0:13:20how disruptive a Trump presidency was going to be and how much he
0:13:20 > 0:13:27wanted to shake-up Washington we could have come in with a different
0:13:27 > 0:13:30mind-set or mrajd we could have done during the transition and the fast
0:13:30 > 0:13:36few weeks. That being said, that is what make it is different. Part of
0:13:36 > 0:13:41the uniqueness of Donald Trump was he wasn't his your standard creature
0:13:41 > 0:13:46in Washington. Things I look back and I go - if we planned that
0:13:46 > 0:13:50differently or knew that. This is the balance. People didn't want a
0:13:50 > 0:13:53scripted administration, a scripted candidate. They wanted somebody who
0:13:53 > 0:13:58is genuine. There is this equilibrium. I was having lunch with
0:13:58 > 0:14:01someone earlier today, we were talking about the failed previous
0:14:01 > 0:14:07candidates. I remember very clearly when Bob Dole ran for president. He
0:14:07 > 0:14:11went on national television people said - if we could only have known
0:14:11 > 0:14:20Bob. There is this policy and personality. You find with the Trump
0:14:20 > 0:14:26presidency is that Republicans and a vast majority of independents and a
0:14:26 > 0:14:29bunch of Democrats enjoy the policies he is putting forward
0:14:29 > 0:14:33domestically and internationally. They went - if only he didn't do
0:14:33 > 0:14:37these things he he would be perfect. On the flip side if he was a
0:14:37 > 0:14:41scripted politician and people said, if he only did these, you will never
0:14:41 > 0:14:46get the perfect mix. The American people will reward results. That's
0:14:46 > 0:14:49what they are getting. I know it's difficult sometimes. They might say
0:14:49 > 0:14:53- people will go - I didn't like that that. If he had only said that.
0:14:53 > 0:14:57When it comes down to it, if people are feeling more secure in terms of
0:14:57 > 0:15:02where our country is, rewill threats we face and economically their pay
0:15:02 > 0:15:08checks are going up, the job markets shows upwardled mobility that is
0:15:08 > 0:15:12what people will vote on and care about. The safety and security of
0:15:12 > 0:15:15our country economically and national security wise. That is
0:15:15 > 0:15:18reflected in the polling. Coming back to his personality. They say
0:15:18 > 0:15:22the most important man in the President's life is the last person
0:15:22 > 0:15:26in the room with him. Ied wonder, when you talk about those chaotic
0:15:26 > 0:15:30first few months, whether General Kelly - because of the personality
0:15:30 > 0:15:33that he has - really does have to boss him and really does have to
0:15:33 > 0:15:37make sure that what goes in front of him is the most important thing of
0:15:37 > 0:15:42the day because he seems to react to things, I don't know, in a chaotic
0:15:42 > 0:15:47way? Yeah I don't they necessarily buy into that. I have been around
0:15:47 > 0:15:49himle long enough both in the campaign and the transition and the
0:15:49 > 0:15:54White House that I know that narptive exists. I have seen it
0:15:54 > 0:15:56sometimes where the last person does win the argument. That's the case
0:15:56 > 0:16:04with a lot of us. But I've also seen him go through the staff pro where
0:16:04 > 0:16:09everyone gets an input etc and that outcome work. Which is by in large
0:16:09 > 0:16:14what has been happening which did slowly evolve over time. It's a much
0:16:14 > 0:16:20more fine tuned programme. General Kelly refined it further. The
0:16:20 > 0:16:24process has gotten better under Kelly. Part is that the early on
0:16:24 > 0:16:28there was a sense of - it was all new, a lot of personalities, etc,
0:16:28 > 0:16:35etc. It made some of that difficult. Finding our footing, a lot of
0:16:35 > 0:16:39personalities, a lot of egos and a lot of newness. It will continue to
0:16:39 > 0:16:45get refined I think throughout this presidency, but clearly General
0:16:45 > 0:16:48Kelly has instituted a better process that ensures all of the
0:16:48 > 0:16:53relevant stakeholders get a say. That being said, that process was
0:16:53 > 0:16:57starting to refovl under the former Chief of Staff and came to a head
0:16:57 > 0:17:01with Kelly.I have covered four American presidents and countless
0:17:01 > 0:17:05Press Secretaries have come and gone in the 20 years I've lived in DC,
0:17:05 > 0:17:12I've never known one who comedians loved to taunt and mock as they did
0:17:12 > 0:17:16you. I don't know what it is about you. God bless you for taking it in
0:17:16 > 0:17:22such good spirit.People love the Irish. That's it.Why am I such a
0:17:22 > 0:17:26butt of joke. What is it about Sean Spicer that everybody loved to take
0:17:26 > 0:17:33fun of?I don't know. You are right, though when I entered this job.'
0:17:33 > 0:17:39Never seen it?What?I've never seen it.Neither have I! I'm not sure
0:17:39 > 0:17:43it's going to happen again. Part of it was Donald Trump. We had never
0:17:43 > 0:17:49seen a President like Donald Trump. You know, I think being - playing
0:17:49 > 0:17:53the role I did in this administration, at the beginning of
0:17:53 > 0:17:58it, you know you kind of get a lot of the bleed over. No-one had seen a
0:17:58 > 0:18:01President like this before and therefore they hadn't seen a Press
0:18:01 > 0:18:07Secretary like this before. So I wasn't fully expecting it. You know,
0:18:07 > 0:18:10part of why I literally waited a while and thought about this is a
0:18:10 > 0:18:14long time is that I wanted - I figured at some point I had to write
0:18:14 > 0:18:19a bobbing and explain to people what was going on. To your point, I grew
0:18:19 > 0:18:22up in this country and there were things like Saturday Night Live that
0:18:22 > 0:18:29are iconic. There are skits I remember from Eddie Murphy and Dan
0:18:29 > 0:18:33Ackroyd I can recite by heart. To think my kids are going - now, you
0:18:33 > 0:18:40are one of them.You and your Podium.Exactly! So it's a weird
0:18:40 > 0:18:43evolution for somebody to go through that in such a short period of time.
0:18:43 > 0:18:48You were a very good sport.You were a very good sport. Thank you very
0:18:48 > 0:18:52much for joining us on the programme today.You bet guys. I look forward
0:18:52 > 0:18:56to getting over there this summer. Come and see us if you come over.I
0:18:56 > 0:19:04will.That was fascinating. A real insight into what it was like in the
0:19:04 > 0:19:10first few months. You forget how much happened when he was at the
0:19:10 > 0:19:14podium, when Comey was fired and turmoil in the White House. He had a
0:19:14 > 0:19:18front row seat in all of it?Not easy. Traditional Press Secretaries
0:19:18 > 0:19:21haven't had to deal with the character of Donald Trump and modern
0:19:21 > 0:19:25technology. People have photos an films each days. Check facts
0:19:25 > 0:19:29instantly. Twitter and Facebook. People are advising on what
0:19:29 > 0:19:33journalists to ask. Yeah, much more difficult to run that sort of job
0:19:33 > 0:19:37these days than perhaps it was. Yeah. Talk about a disruptive
0:19:37 > 0:19:44presidency, he lived right through that.
0:19:44 > 0:19:46Theresa May met Chinese President Xi Jinping today.
0:19:46 > 0:19:49He is a leader whose grip on China is tighter than anyone since Mao.
0:19:49 > 0:19:52She is a leader who has lost her majority, her top aides,
0:19:52 > 0:19:54her deputy and whose party is currently tearing
0:19:54 > 0:19:55itself apart over Brexit.
0:19:55 > 0:19:58But, the two countries are permanent members of the Security Council,
0:19:58 > 0:20:06with a mutual interest in solving the North Korean issue.
0:20:06 > 0:20:09Today, we are told, they made progress on an ambitious
0:20:09 > 0:20:19post-Brexit agreement.
0:20:21 > 0:20:25But as is so often the case these days, division in her own party over
0:20:25 > 0:20:28Brexit and her own political weakness at home, dogs this trip.
0:20:28 > 0:20:29The Secretary of State for International Trade
0:20:29 > 0:20:33who is travelling with her felt the need to step in.
0:20:33 > 0:20:35They're looking at performance, they're looking to see
0:20:35 > 0:20:38what the UK is doing, and they look at the Prime Minister
0:20:38 > 0:20:41in a different way than some of, let's say, the internal tearoom
0:20:41 > 0:20:46discussions in the UK do.
0:20:46 > 0:20:49Lord Jim O'Neil is a former chief economist of Goldman Sachs,
0:20:49 > 0:20:52he worked with the UK Treasury and he coined the acronym BRIC
0:20:52 > 0:20:55to describe the fastest growing emerging markets.
0:20:55 > 0:21:00Welcome back. Stamped on the other hand my forehead. You said before
0:21:00 > 0:21:05the Prime Minister went to China it was exceptionally important, why so?
0:21:05 > 0:21:09We only got a short time. I could bore your viewers and listeners for
0:21:09 > 0:21:14hours about the importance of China. We got their latest GDP numbers for
0:21:14 > 0:21:19the whole of last year. In one year, one year, the increase was 1.5
0:21:19 > 0:21:24trillion. They created in one clear the equivalent of anything other
0:21:24 > 0:21:28than the top 10 largest economies in the world. More than one Australia
0:21:28 > 0:21:33in a year. A half United Kingdom in a year. Need I go on?Few people
0:21:33 > 0:21:36know it better than you. You worked with George Osborne on their China
0:21:36 > 0:21:41policy.I did.You stepped down when Theresa May came to Number Ten you
0:21:41 > 0:21:44said you were baffled?I stayed on with three months, let me say.You
0:21:44 > 0:21:52were baffled by her approach to it. What baffled you in in I was baffled
0:21:52 > 0:21:58about a number of things. China she approached it, maybe still does, as
0:21:58 > 0:22:05a a Home Office Minister as opposed to a Prime Minister.That of course,
0:22:05 > 0:22:12particularly post-Brexit, where we have imposed on your ourself about
0:22:12 > 0:22:17who will trade with. We bang on about global Britain. You know, 18
0:22:17 > 0:22:22months until she has visited, I should point. She has been to God
0:22:22 > 0:22:26knows where else. If you have to be serious about this stuff you have to
0:22:26 > 0:22:29be serious about the important places. No-one is more important
0:22:29 > 0:22:36than China if there are certain things about China and how they
0:22:36 > 0:22:38conduct themselves we don't like. There was that issue about the
0:22:38 > 0:22:42election? Yes that little issue. You worked with David Cameron to boost
0:22:42 > 0:22:47British trade to China. It's 3% of UK exports. How relestic is it do
0:22:47 > 0:22:51you think that figure could climb substantially post-Brexit if there
0:22:51 > 0:22:56was a trade deal between China and the UK?Can I point out something
0:22:56 > 0:23:05else which I think is very important. In the extremely crucial
0:23:05 > 0:23:09visit of President Xi to the UK, a full week, David Cameron announced -
0:23:09 > 0:23:13I bet you if any of the current Cabinet are watching or listening
0:23:13 > 0:23:17they will be surprised because they won't know this. He announced it was
0:23:17 > 0:23:21an ambition within a decade China would be one of our top three trade
0:23:21 > 0:23:26partners. So, you know, we had the scale of the ambition. The reason
0:23:26 > 0:23:30why he did that is because I encouraged him directly and through
0:23:30 > 0:23:35George Osborne -Is that ambition realistic?Well, this is what I was
0:23:35 > 0:23:39going to say, I will be briefer. This phase of Chinese growth, I call
0:23:39 > 0:23:43it the new China, now the average wealth of a choi necessary person,
0:23:43 > 0:23:47the average is $10,000 a head. They have probably got 10% of the
0:23:47 > 0:23:50population that is as wealthy as all of us. That will be twice the number
0:23:50 > 0:23:55of people as the UK. So the kind of things they want to buy and own are
0:23:55 > 0:24:03changing rapidly. So the few things that the UK excels at, education
0:24:03 > 0:24:08related, life sciences, things to do with our culture, our music and
0:24:08 > 0:24:12sport, the Chinese love all this kind of stuff. Look at how they have
0:24:12 > 0:24:15been trying to buy players in the Premier League, for example. Look at
0:24:15 > 0:24:19one of the deals announced when she got off the plane about education.
0:24:19 > 0:24:23If we think we will suddenly become like a manufacturing rival to
0:24:23 > 0:24:29Germany and export to them what the Germans do, forget it. At this
0:24:29 > 0:24:32phase, over the next decade, I think we could do all sorts of things with
0:24:32 > 0:24:38China.We are fella northerners. I can't let you go without asking
0:24:38 > 0:24:42about the northern powerhouse project that the Chancellor put in
0:24:42 > 0:24:45place. There has been a lot this week about the similarities between
0:24:45 > 0:24:50the United States and Britain that you have the coastal regions in
0:24:50 > 0:24:54America and then a very different state of affairs in the centre.
0:24:54 > 0:25:01Similar here, north and south. North went for Brexit, the south didn't.
0:25:01 > 0:25:04In an anecdotal sense. Do you think the northern powerhouse project
0:25:04 > 0:25:08could bridge some of the gulf?I said to George Osborne after the
0:25:08 > 0:25:12referendum if someone had started off northern powerhouse five years
0:25:12 > 0:25:20earlier the vote might not have been what it was. Guess who loves the
0:25:20 > 0:25:25northern powerhouse? The Chinese get the northern powerhouse because they
0:25:25 > 0:25:28try to push growth to different regions. They see it as that is what
0:25:28 > 0:25:33we are trying to do. They get it and they love it and really want to do
0:25:33 > 0:25:38stuff. I said Trump, if he wants to be really successful until helping
0:25:38 > 0:25:42the voters is do something like the northern powerhouse in the middle of
0:25:42 > 0:25:52earthquake earthquake.We are out of time.Thank you for having me on.
0:25:52 > 0:25:54This is Beyond 100 Days from the BBC.
0:25:54 > 0:25:57Coming up for viewers on the BBC News Channel and BBC World News,
0:25:57 > 0:26:01with Republicans due to release a secret memo alleging FBI bias
0:26:01 > 0:26:04soon, we'll get the view of a former assistant FBI Director.
0:26:04 > 0:26:05And it's
0:26:05 > 0:26:07the big one, it's Boston versus Philadelphia as the Eagles
0:26:07 > 0:26:10take on the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl.
0:26:11 > 0:26:16Good evening. It's felt much colder today in that bitter north wind,
0:26:16 > 0:26:20which has brought further snow showers. This is how it whack was
0:26:20 > 0:26:25looking earlier in the ski resorts near Fort William. We will keep cold
0:26:25 > 0:26:32air with us for the for seeable future. -- foreseeable. Temperatures
0:26:32 > 0:26:36will fall close to freezing and ice. Especially to the north and east
0:26:36 > 0:26:41where we have showers. Temperatures hover above in the towns and cities
0:26:41 > 0:26:43further west, temperatures will be lone enough on the ground at least
0:26:43 > 0:26:57for frostiness. We could be faced wintriness, there could be icy
0:26:57 > 0:27:01issues as well as the snow showers in the north. Bar showers that fade
0:27:01 > 0:27:05in eastern areas and one or two parts of Pembrokeshire and Cornwall
0:27:05 > 0:27:09and Devon it will be dryer tomorrow. The winds aren't as strong it should
0:27:09 > 0:27:12feel less cold. Pleasant in the sunshine. The days are getting
0:27:12 > 0:27:16longer. We are into February. We have a problem waiting in the wings.
0:27:16 > 0:27:21That's the issue for the weekend. As we talked about yesterday, that band
0:27:21 > 0:27:25of rain comes into the cold air. There will be a wintry mix. It will
0:27:25 > 0:27:30be cold. There could be snow as it arrives across the highlands, across
0:27:30 > 0:27:33Scotland and northern England. It will brighten for Northern Ireland
0:27:33 > 0:27:35and eastern parts of England could have a brighter day than tomorrow
0:27:35 > 0:27:40and a less cold one because we lose the wind. For many it just looks
0:27:40 > 0:27:43cloudy with outbreaks of rain, sleet and snow over the hills. A real
0:27:43 > 0:27:49wintry mix. For the rugby, of course the Six Nations kicked off this
0:27:49 > 0:27:53weekend. Wales take on Scotland in Cardiff. There will will be cold
0:27:53 > 0:27:57rain around here for the fans travelling. Even a few showers down
0:27:57 > 0:28:02in Paris for France taking on Ireland. As we head into Sunday, our
0:28:02 > 0:28:11weather systems start to fizzle out. . We have a cold north-east wind.
0:28:11 > 0:28:15The weekend doesn't start off promising in the west. There will be
0:28:15 > 0:28:18sunshine Sunday, but the cold wind in the east will bring a change for
0:28:18 > 0:28:22that stage. As we go into the start of the new week we get a repeat
0:28:22 > 0:28:25performance, the next band of rain comes into that cold air and we
0:28:25 > 0:28:29could well have snow as we move into Tuesday. That cold air, as I
0:28:29 > 0:28:38mentioned, is with us to stay for. Of next week. Bye bye.
0:30:09 > 0:30:12This is Beyond 100 Days, with me Katty Kay in New York -
0:30:12 > 0:30:14Christian Fraser's in London.
0:30:14 > 0:30:17Republicans are due to release a secret memo
0:30:17 > 0:30:25accusing the FBI of bias - the Democrats dispute its contents.
0:30:25 > 0:30:29Sean Spicer tells this programme regrets claims he made about Donald
0:30:29 > 0:30:36Trump's figures. Some of the stuff on intranet sites did not
0:30:36 > 0:30:36Trump's figures. Some of the stuff on intranet sites did not exist the
0:30:36 > 0:30:41years prior so I thought we were on safe ground talking about overall
0:30:41 > 0:30:44viewership or just audience size. A lot of folks that is what they clung
0:30:44 > 0:30:47to because we need to be more specific.
0:30:47 > 0:30:48Coming up in the next half hour.
0:30:48 > 0:30:50The British Prime Minister can't avoid questions
0:30:50 > 0:30:59about her leadership or Brexit while on her trip to China.
0:30:59 > 0:31:00Plus, getting ready for the big game.
0:31:00 > 0:31:03Philadelphia and New England are about to go head
0:31:03 > 0:31:05to head in the super bowl.
0:31:05 > 0:31:07Let us know your thoughts by using the hashtag.
0:31:07 > 0:31:17'Beyond-One-Hundred-Days'
0:31:18 > 0:31:20A memo produced by the Republican members of the House
0:31:20 > 0:31:23Intelligence Committe, which accuses the FBI
0:31:23 > 0:31:25and the Justice Department of anti-Trump bias,
0:31:25 > 0:31:27will be made public.
0:31:27 > 0:31:31The White House has vetted a draft of the memo and has returned it
0:31:31 > 0:31:33to the committee for release - with some redactions approved,
0:31:33 > 0:31:35in consultation with the FBI.
0:31:35 > 0:31:38Today the minority leader in the house called
0:31:38 > 0:31:41for the resignation of the Committee chair Devin Nunes who she accused
0:31:41 > 0:31:44of working with the White House to undermine the Russia investigation.
0:31:44 > 0:31:48The Democrats have also accused Nunes of sending
0:31:48 > 0:31:51the White House a draft of the memo that was different to the one
0:31:51 > 0:31:58the Committee had voted to release on Monday.
0:31:58 > 0:32:03For months the house intelligence committee has been investigating the
0:32:03 > 0:32:07Justice Department handling of the Russian investigation. Staffers
0:32:07 > 0:32:10working for the Republican chair have produced a memo which draws on
0:32:10 > 0:32:14highly classified information. It raises questions about an
0:32:14 > 0:32:20application made on October 2016 to the foreign intelligence
0:32:20 > 0:32:22surveillance Court. In secretive session, the judges were asked to
0:32:22 > 0:32:28approve surveillance of the former Trump campaigner cart page. The
0:32:28 > 0:32:33central allegation is that to obtain their warrant, the FBI relied on
0:32:33 > 0:32:38unsubstantiated raw intelligence in the former British former
0:32:38 > 0:32:43intelligence officer reportedly the judges were not told his dossier was
0:32:43 > 0:32:48part financed by the Democratic National committee.I think the more
0:32:48 > 0:32:53people know about what is going on in our government including the FBI
0:32:53 > 0:32:57in Justice Department, particularly to make sure that politics do not
0:32:57 > 0:33:11interfere with your work will bring about greater respect to government.
0:33:11 > 0:33:15Donald Trump decided he would release the memo before he had even
0:33:15 > 0:33:19read it. The Democrats said Devin Nunez who collaborated with the
0:33:19 > 0:33:23White House before has cherry picked the information he has used.
0:33:23 > 0:33:28Transparency is or was a good thing but this is not transparency, this
0:33:28 > 0:33:32is a misleading document where they are hiding the underlying materials.
0:33:32 > 0:33:35What is really important about the memo is where it points the finger.
0:33:35 > 0:33:41The deputy Attorney General signed off on this application and he is
0:33:41 > 0:33:45the one overseeing the Russia investigation. In agreeing to
0:33:45 > 0:33:49release it, the president is drawing battle lines. With his own law
0:33:49 > 0:33:50enforcement.
0:33:50 > 0:33:53And here to help us break this all down is our North America
0:33:53 > 0:33:56reporter Anthony Zurcher.
0:33:56 > 0:34:00I suppose the point is the Democrats are saying the Republicans are
0:34:00 > 0:34:04trying to change the narrative of the Russia investigation so if
0:34:04 > 0:34:07Robert Muller ever came back with something they would say, here it
0:34:07 > 0:34:14is, the deep state is trying to the president.Exactly. That is the
0:34:14 > 0:34:21strategy here is to say the fruit of this surveillance order prejudiced
0:34:21 > 0:34:26the entire investigation and I think that if there is the strategy the
0:34:26 > 0:34:31more we are talking about possible bias within the FBI and Justice
0:34:31 > 0:34:33Department mishandling the investigation the less we are
0:34:33 > 0:34:36talking about the actual investigation itself and the drip
0:34:36 > 0:34:41drip of revelations that have come out about any possible contacts
0:34:41 > 0:34:44between the Trump campaigner and Russian operatives then that is a
0:34:44 > 0:34:48win of the Donald Trump and his defenders. Donald Trump himself has
0:34:48 > 0:34:52been reported as saying this memo is going to discredit the Russian
0:34:52 > 0:34:57investigation.Coming back to whether Devon Nunez is working with
0:34:57 > 0:35:00the White House, the committee set on Monday and the congressmen Mike
0:35:00 > 0:35:04Quigley asked...
0:35:04 > 0:35:07Congressman Mike Quigley asked Devin Nunes "Did they have any idea
0:35:07 > 0:35:08you were doing this?
0:35:08 > 0:35:10Did they talk about doing this with you?
0:35:10 > 0:35:11Did they suggest it?
0:35:11 > 0:35:13Did you suggest it to them?
0:35:13 > 0:35:15Did you consult in deciding how to go forward with this before,
0:35:15 > 0:35:17during, and after this point right now?"
0:35:17 > 0:35:19Devin Nunes replied: "I would just answer,
0:35:19 > 0:35:25as far as I know, no."
0:35:25 > 0:35:30Which is not a very convincing answer. No, it is not and you have
0:35:30 > 0:35:35to remember that the Republican congressman from California served
0:35:35 > 0:35:41on Donald Trump's Conservative -- transmission team after he was
0:35:41 > 0:35:44elected president into inauguration and he also was involved allegations
0:35:44 > 0:35:48he worked to closely with the White House and an earlier controversy
0:35:48 > 0:35:53over this surveillance the idea the Obama administration officials were
0:35:53 > 0:35:57at masking the identity of people caught up in the surveillance and he
0:35:57 > 0:36:03has to recruit himself for a while from the investigation was ethics
0:36:03 > 0:36:06complaint regarding the handling of classified information was reviewed.
0:36:06 > 0:36:11He was later cleared. He has not formally taken over the Russia
0:36:11 > 0:36:16investigation or though it is pretty clear he is informally leading the
0:36:16 > 0:36:22charge.We reported on the programme the FBI put out a statement saying
0:36:22 > 0:36:26it has grave concerns about the release of this memo because it
0:36:26 > 0:36:31could affect the national security and the impact of some of their
0:36:31 > 0:36:34agents and they're concerned about the accuracy of the memo. If that
0:36:34 > 0:36:40memo is released, where does that lead the head of the FBI, does he
0:36:40 > 0:36:45have to step down if the White House specifically goes against his wishes
0:36:45 > 0:36:51and do something he has grave concerns about?It is a tricky
0:36:51 > 0:36:54position for Christopher raid to be in taking such a forum stand and
0:36:54 > 0:36:59putting up the FBI statement questioning the voracity or way the
0:36:59 > 0:37:03information and memo has been presented, you see that from the
0:37:03 > 0:37:07Justice Department, they have come out and said they do not want it
0:37:07 > 0:37:12circulated so you do not see this complex between departments within
0:37:12 > 0:37:16the administration and the administration and the White House
0:37:16 > 0:37:21itself as well as Intelligence Committee in Congress. That is
0:37:21 > 0:37:26untried ground before. It definitely will undermine Christopher Ray's
0:37:26 > 0:37:28standing in the administration and make it difficult for him to
0:37:28 > 0:37:32continue with the face of the president and when you talk about
0:37:32 > 0:37:40these surveillance orders this goes back to 1978, there have been 35,000
0:37:40 > 0:37:49requests for surveillance, the court has only rejected 12 of them since
0:37:49 > 0:37:541979 to 2013. The fact this one request is getting all this
0:37:54 > 0:37:57attention given the scope of the surveillance up until then is pretty
0:37:57 > 0:37:59remarkable.
0:37:59 > 0:38:03So what impact is all of this having on intelligence agencies and the job
0:38:03 > 0:38:05they are tasked with?
0:38:05 > 0:38:08For answers we spoke a brief time ago with former assistant
0:38:08 > 0:38:14FBI director Ron Hosko.
0:38:14 > 0:38:19What kind of impact if you are an FBI agent and you are watching all
0:38:19 > 0:38:24of this unfold, the memo, the leaks, the accusations of bias, what impact
0:38:24 > 0:38:28does it have on you if you're an agent is trying to do your job?I
0:38:28 > 0:38:32think across the country there are thousands of agents just getting on
0:38:32 > 0:38:36with their day-to-day assignments but I have been told and I sense
0:38:36 > 0:38:46this myself there is a slag on morale, they are troubled by what
0:38:46 > 0:38:50they are hearing reported and they know that some of what is being
0:38:50 > 0:38:57reported and stated and alleged is just flat out untrue. Even if the
0:38:57 > 0:39:01comments are about a very very small segment of the workforce, there is
0:39:01 > 0:39:07an impact on the broader workforce. Do you think the release of this
0:39:07 > 0:39:11memo, redacted or not by the White House that alleges bias in the FBI
0:39:11 > 0:39:17and Russia investigation, would that have a substantial impact on the FBI
0:39:17 > 0:39:22and its credibility and ability to do its job?I think so. My senses
0:39:22 > 0:39:27the FBI is in some respects being painted into a corner, the Pfizer
0:39:27 > 0:39:35process, the Pfizer system that process intercepts and it works
0:39:35 > 0:39:41within those are classified processes and information so the
0:39:41 > 0:39:45ability to respond to inaccurate and misleading information is really
0:39:45 > 0:39:53very limited and we know in our sound bite rivet society where the
0:39:53 > 0:39:59public only his bits and pieces of this, it is difficult to correct
0:39:59 > 0:40:07inaccuracies.You joined the FBI as a Special Agent in 1984, during your
0:40:07 > 0:40:13time is working as an agent for the FBI, were you aware of any kind of
0:40:13 > 0:40:20systematic bias in favour of one political group or another?Every
0:40:20 > 0:40:23FBI employee holds their own political views, usually they hold
0:40:23 > 0:40:28them very close and you do not really sense what those views are,
0:40:28 > 0:40:33even around election seasons. The workforce knows to divorce
0:40:33 > 0:40:38themselves of those views when it comes down to executing the mission.
0:40:38 > 0:40:43So you didn't really get a strong sense of it even though my sense was
0:40:43 > 0:40:46the organisation itself tends to be conservative, tends to be right of
0:40:46 > 0:40:53centre and so you don't get a very strong sense of that and those
0:40:53 > 0:41:00agents know do not bring that into a meeting or into work.Do you think
0:41:00 > 0:41:05Bob Muller is biased in this investigation?I don't, my guess is
0:41:05 > 0:41:09with Bob Muller is he should be biased towards finding the truth and
0:41:09 > 0:41:13nothing more, with Bob Muller I would sense my guess would be he
0:41:13 > 0:41:18would be a conservative Republican but I never heard Bob Muller is
0:41:18 > 0:41:31Bauza political view nor did I hear Jim Komi espouse one.It is worth
0:41:31 > 0:41:34stressing in however many years I covered American politics yes there
0:41:34 > 0:41:38have been disagreements between the FBI and administrations but I have
0:41:38 > 0:41:43never seen this attempt to politicise the whole agency and
0:41:43 > 0:41:48suggest the agency is somehow biased against the resident of the White
0:41:48 > 0:41:52House. The impact this will have on their ability to do their work and
0:41:52 > 0:41:56the incentive this gives them to defend their own corner and to make
0:41:56 > 0:42:02leaks and tweak things all of that should not be underestimated. The
0:42:02 > 0:42:07question is what the response is going to be, what will Christopher
0:42:07 > 0:42:10Ray say in rebuttal and what will the Democrats do because they have
0:42:10 > 0:42:13prepared a rebuttal but it has not been released yet simple they try
0:42:13 > 0:42:20and read it from the house floor which they could do was...
0:42:20 > 0:42:23The number of women and girls now known to have been abused by former
0:42:23 > 0:42:25USA Gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar has risen to 265.
0:42:25 > 0:42:28The increase in the number of victims was revealed
0:42:28 > 0:42:30by a judge during Nassar's final sentencing hearing.
0:42:30 > 0:42:33The entire board of USA Gymnastics has now resigned over its failure
0:42:33 > 0:42:36to protect the young gymnasts.
0:42:36 > 0:42:39A controversial bill has been passed in Poland making it illegal
0:42:39 > 0:42:43to suggest the country was involved in the Nazi Holocaust.
0:42:43 > 0:42:46Israel has fiercely objected to the draft law, which would also
0:42:46 > 0:42:50make it illegal to describe Nazi death camps as Polish.
0:42:50 > 0:42:53The bill must be signed off by the president
0:42:53 > 0:43:00before entering into law.
0:43:00 > 0:43:03With just eight days to go until the opening ceremony,
0:43:03 > 0:43:06only 75 % of tickets have sold.
0:43:06 > 0:43:08Many of the most expensive tickets are still available,
0:43:08 > 0:43:18with prices set at more than 900 dollars for top events.
0:43:24 > 0:43:27Two city is steeped in history and culture with obsessive fans get
0:43:27 > 0:43:30ready for the ultimate showdown as the Eagles and Patriots go
0:43:30 > 0:43:35head-to-head.
0:44:02 > 0:44:06The judge sent the jury out just before three o'clock today and it
0:44:06 > 0:44:12took less than an hour, 59 minutes of the jury of eight women and four
0:44:12 > 0:44:16meant a comeback with guilty verdicts, guilty of murder, guilty
0:44:16 > 0:44:20of attempted murder and Darren Osborne in the dock made absolutely
0:44:20 > 0:44:25no reaction at all. What was interesting about this case was the
0:44:25 > 0:44:30fact that he did not come up with any defence until very late in the
0:44:30 > 0:44:34day, normally a defence is filed early on, very early on before the
0:44:34 > 0:44:39case begins but this case the defence came late and it was in the
0:44:39 > 0:44:43words of the prosecution absurd. He claimed he was not driving the van
0:44:43 > 0:44:47at the moment of the attack. He told the court yes, he had planned to
0:44:47 > 0:44:53come to London and planned mass murder to drive a van into a march
0:44:53 > 0:44:57in London and at that March she hoped he would kill both Jeremy
0:44:57 > 0:45:01Corbyn and Sadiq Khan but he claimed at the actual moment in Finsbury
0:45:01 > 0:45:06Park a man called Dave did not know his surname or where he lived, there
0:45:06 > 0:45:11was no CCTV of Dave come he claimed Dave drove the van and he had been
0:45:11 > 0:45:15in the foot well changing his trousers. When he was asked by the
0:45:15 > 0:45:20prosecution why is there no CCTV footage, whatsoever of this man
0:45:20 > 0:45:24getting into the van or in the van he replied, well, he is an
0:45:24 > 0:45:29illusionist, perhaps he can make himself vanish. What was also clear
0:45:29 > 0:45:33from this case was Osborne was a troubled man, deeply disturbed
0:45:33 > 0:45:38individual unemployed for ten years, a history of mental illness and
0:45:38 > 0:45:41depression and in the months before the attack itself we threatened to
0:45:41 > 0:45:51kill himself on two occasions. We have talked a lot about the battle
0:45:51 > 0:45:54that is brewing between the White House and the FBI here in the UK we
0:45:54 > 0:45:58have similar tensions festering between senior ministers and
0:45:58 > 0:46:03government employees. Steve Baker Brexit minister accused the civil
0:46:03 > 0:46:06service of conspiring with the Treasury to produce economic models
0:46:06 > 0:46:11that cast or Brexit scenarios as bad for the British economy. The head of
0:46:11 > 0:46:15the civil servants union said the minister was incapable of separating
0:46:15 > 0:46:19his ideological position from his duty as a Minister of State asked of
0:46:19 > 0:46:23the Prime Minister still had full confidence in Baker her official
0:46:23 > 0:46:26spokesman said yes but now a recording of one of the civil
0:46:26 > 0:46:29servants the minister spoke to before he made the comment has been
0:46:29 > 0:46:37published. Steve Baker has walked back some of his comments saying he
0:46:37 > 0:46:47was very to the model system rather than the individual.This was a
0:46:47 > 0:46:52speaking to a wider argument about how far Brexiteer is think the civil
0:46:52 > 0:46:55service are going to try to influence government policy on
0:46:55 > 0:46:59Brexit, there has long with an accusation Texas but the referendum
0:46:59 > 0:47:05campaign when the Treasury was accused of trying to put forward
0:47:05 > 0:47:09project fear, these projections the economy would be far worse off under
0:47:09 > 0:47:12Brexit and these latest renovations of elite study of whatever Brexit
0:47:12 > 0:47:19outcome the UK would take that the economy would be worst off is given
0:47:19 > 0:47:22fresh ammunition and we had an extraordinary exchange between Steve
0:47:22 > 0:47:27Baker and one of the backbenchers in the Commons today giving air to this
0:47:27 > 0:47:31idea that the Treasury was somehow fiddling the figures to try to make
0:47:31 > 0:47:37Brexit look worse and that has been competing rubbished by the civil
0:47:37 > 0:47:40service representatives, unions and the head of the civil service were
0:47:40 > 0:47:49adamant they are impartial. Steve Baker also wrote back and said he
0:47:49 > 0:47:53was not his experience and they are as impartial as possible and Downing
0:47:53 > 0:47:56Street saying they have full confidence in him and he made clear
0:47:56 > 0:48:00that was an implausible scenario but it does go to show the sensitivity
0:48:00 > 0:48:05the arguments we were having two years ago in the lead up to the
0:48:05 > 0:48:10referendum about the possible damage or benefits of Brexit are still very
0:48:10 > 0:48:16much been played out.There is a tape Steve Baker was referring to a
0:48:16 > 0:48:20comment Charles Grant had made at a Tory party conference working for
0:48:20 > 0:48:26the Centre for European reform and the tape and transcript seems to
0:48:26 > 0:48:34suggest he thinks this is happening. So it is quite convoluted. Steve
0:48:34 > 0:48:38Baker was asked about a conversation he had with Charles Grant was the
0:48:38 > 0:48:43head of a tank back in October at the Tory party conference and it was
0:48:43 > 0:48:48put to Steve Baker that Charles Grant had suggested that the
0:48:48 > 0:48:53Treasury were trying to deliberately manipulate their forecasts to
0:48:53 > 0:48:56influence government policy. Steve Baker said yes, that account is
0:48:56 > 0:49:01correct and that is what happened but I think that is an implausible
0:49:01 > 0:49:05allegation and he has made clear he thought that was not the case. What
0:49:05 > 0:49:10has happened is a recording of this lunch has emerged, Charles Grant has
0:49:10 > 0:49:13body denied he talked about the Treasury deliberately manipulating
0:49:13 > 0:49:17the figures and this recording does seem to corroborate that account of
0:49:17 > 0:49:22it, there was no mention in the transcript of the audio is poor and
0:49:22 > 0:49:25other people present at the meeting also say there was no suggestion of
0:49:25 > 0:49:38the sort so it comes down to Steve Baker sticking to his account and
0:49:38 > 0:49:40downing street saying they are backing Steve Baker's account so it
0:49:40 > 0:49:42is a he said, she said but it's pointless board Friday the Brexiteer
0:49:42 > 0:49:45is still convinced there are factions in the civil service went
0:49:45 > 0:49:47into the Treasury as being one culprit that are out to undermine
0:49:47 > 0:49:59Brexit and the type of Brexit they want to see.Thank you.
0:49:59 > 0:50:04The offer of a gift from Melania to the outgoing president and first
0:50:04 > 0:50:10Lady and Michelle Obama not knowing what to do with it. It matched her
0:50:10 > 0:50:19coat. Much speculation in seed... My gifts always match my coats. Anyway,
0:50:19 > 0:50:24people wondered what was in that pale green box and it was a picture
0:50:24 > 0:50:35frame. The whole encounter was as odd as it looked.There is all this
0:50:35 > 0:50:39protocol, this is like a state visit so they tell you you are doing this
0:50:39 > 0:50:44and never before do get his gift so I am like, OK... What am I supposed
0:50:44 > 0:50:49to do with this gift? And everyone cleared out and no one would come
0:50:49 > 0:50:53and take the box and I'm thinking do we take the picture and my husband
0:50:53 > 0:50:57said he grabbed the box and to get back inside but everybody cleared
0:50:57 > 0:51:04out, no staff no one. I was like, what you do with the box?What I
0:51:04 > 0:51:08love is at one point she said she turned around and looked at a Smart
0:51:08 > 0:51:15Marine and he did not move a muscle. This is your problem, Lady! This is
0:51:15 > 0:51:21what happens. When I arrived at parties I leave the presence in the
0:51:21 > 0:51:25foot well because there's nothing worse than turning up the gift and
0:51:25 > 0:51:29someone goes I didn't expect you to bring a gift and now I run back and
0:51:29 > 0:51:35get the gift.Turning up at the White House might be a tiny bit
0:51:35 > 0:51:36different.
0:51:36 > 0:51:37Sunday night.
0:51:37 > 0:51:38It's the big one!!!
0:51:38 > 0:51:40Close the curtains, silence the clocks -
0:51:40 > 0:51:41send the rest of the family to bed.
0:51:41 > 0:51:43It is Super Bowl 52.
0:51:43 > 0:51:45The Eagles v New England Patriots.
0:51:45 > 0:51:48Which means - for those of who don't follow American football -
0:51:48 > 0:51:51Boston and Philadelphia will go head to head.
0:51:51 > 0:51:56Two cities steeped in history, rich in culture, both
0:51:56 > 0:51:58populated by obsessive , somewhat, obnoxious fans.
0:51:58 > 0:52:05As Mat Morrison explains.
0:52:05 > 0:52:12This years Super Bowl pits the city of brotherly love against Beantown.
0:52:12 > 0:52:17Rocky against Paul Revere. This guy against that guy. Yes, but
0:52:17 > 0:52:20Philadelphia and Boston are known for their rabid fans, sometimes a
0:52:20 > 0:52:31bit too much so.I am ready for the Super Bowl!Philadelphia,
0:52:31 > 0:52:35self-described Crisco cops have greased up the light bulbs, they do
0:52:35 > 0:52:38not want trouble. Then there was the inebriated fan in Philadelphia who
0:52:38 > 0:52:45punched a police force. -- police horse. That happened twice. For
0:52:45 > 0:52:49Patriots found that that wraps up fans the wrong way, sense of
0:52:49 > 0:52:54entitlement appearing in eight of the last 17 Super Bowl is will do
0:52:54 > 0:53:00that. Philadelphia where is the face of the underdog. Dog mask fans have
0:53:00 > 0:53:05sold out. And do not get other side stuck on food, ask a Philly fan it's
0:53:05 > 0:53:11all about cheesecake in Boston clan chowder. All this rivalry on and off
0:53:11 > 0:53:15the field is a shame because the two cities have a lot in common. Both
0:53:15 > 0:53:19the East Coast port cities are found in the 1600s when the area with a
0:53:19 > 0:53:23collection of British colonies are both hotbeds of revolution before
0:53:23 > 0:53:33America split from Britain. Boston has Ironsides and Philadelphia's
0:53:33 > 0:53:37Constitution Hall and the Liberty Bell. In the end, there can only be
0:53:37 > 0:53:41one winner and there is more than just a football game at stake. There
0:53:41 > 0:53:44was also a wager between the mayors of Philadelphia and Massachusetts
0:53:44 > 0:53:49town of Boston the home of real-life boxer Rocky Marciano. The winning
0:53:49 > 0:54:01city gets to... Philly fans would rather not. Now it is Patriots
0:54:01 > 0:54:05versus Eagles, city versus city, Rocky versus Rocky. Or that is left
0:54:05 > 0:54:13to do is play a game of football. I love American football. I love it. I
0:54:13 > 0:54:18watched the AFC championship game and Tom Brady who is Mr Super Bowl
0:54:18 > 0:54:24had an injured hand and the Patriots are trailing Jacksonville and he
0:54:24 > 0:54:30blitzed them in the fourth quarter and it was extraordinary. He is
0:54:30 > 0:54:34lining up against Nick Bowles who is not supposed to be the quarterback
0:54:34 > 0:54:38for the Eagles but was drafted in, he had a bad few seasons and is
0:54:38 > 0:54:42coming back in Sofia standing opposite this giant in the game on
0:54:42 > 0:54:47Sunday and everyone is backing the Patriots but it will be fantastic so
0:54:47 > 0:54:51I have matchsticks and my eyes, coffee and Red Bull. I sit there and
0:54:51 > 0:54:56injure as long as I can. I cannot even step of the whole thing and
0:54:56 > 0:55:03Eamonn East Coast time. Because Tom Brodie is 40 and this is his eighth
0:55:03 > 0:55:07Super Bowl I would be tempted to say I would support the Patriots but I
0:55:07 > 0:55:12have been handed a note from a producer saying in case there was
0:55:12 > 0:55:16any question you are supporting the Eagles all I will stop rolling this
0:55:16 > 0:55:21autocue. The programme will fall off air if I do not say I am supporting
0:55:21 > 0:55:31the Eagles. I always support the underdog. I will be cheering for the
0:55:31 > 0:55:41Eagles. Coming up next, Philippa Thomas has outside source and views
0:55:41 > 0:55:48in the UK the latest headlines. From me and Cathy, thank you for
0:55:48 > 0:55:51watching. See the same time next week.