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0:00:07 > 0:00:09You're watching Beyond 100 Days on PBS.

0:00:09 > 0:00:11Donald Trump slaps sanctions on Russia and offers a rare

0:00:11 > 0:00:13criticism of Moscow, after a conversation

0:00:13 > 0:00:16with Theresa May.

0:00:16 > 0:00:18On both the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and Russian

0:00:18 > 0:00:21meddling in the US election, the White House is pushed to take

0:00:21 > 0:00:24a tougher line on Putin.

0:00:24 > 0:00:27As tests continues at Skripal's house in Salisbury -

0:00:27 > 0:00:30Britain, France, Germany and the US issue a rare joint

0:00:30 > 0:00:34statement condemning the Kremlin for the attack.

0:00:34 > 0:00:39Meanwhile Russia denies it made the nerve agent used in that attack

0:00:39 > 0:00:48and promises to retaliate against both Britain and America.

0:00:49 > 0:00:54In Miami a pedestrian bridge has collapsed. We are getting reports of

0:00:54 > 0:00:58multiple fatalities. We'll bring you the latest.

0:00:58 > 0:00:59Also on the programme.

0:00:59 > 0:01:01New reports in Washington that Special Counsel Bob Mueller has

0:01:01 > 0:01:03subpoenaed Donald Trump's business records.

0:01:03 > 0:01:05The President has said that would be a red line.

0:01:05 > 0:01:07Long dark winters and summers bathed in continual light

0:01:07 > 0:01:10might drive some mad, but the people of Finland are in

0:01:10 > 0:01:14fact the happiest in the world.

0:01:14 > 0:01:17Get in touch with us using the hashtag Beyond-One-Hundred-Days.

0:01:26 > 0:01:28Hello and welcome - I'm Katty Kay in Washington

0:01:29 > 0:01:30and Christian Fraser is in London.

0:01:30 > 0:01:32The West today came together in an unusual, coordinated criticism

0:01:32 > 0:01:35of Russia's aggressive behaviour.

0:01:35 > 0:01:37There was a joint statement from Britain's allies

0:01:37 > 0:01:39and new sanctions from Washington.

0:01:39 > 0:01:42After a string of what are being called malicious

0:01:42 > 0:01:45actions from Moscow, it sounds like Western

0:01:45 > 0:01:47allies have had enough.

0:01:47 > 0:01:50Even Donald Trump, normally loathe to criticise President Putin,

0:01:50 > 0:01:52has been pushed to drop the ambiguity, blaming Moscow

0:01:52 > 0:01:55for the events in Salisbury.

0:01:55 > 0:01:57In response to Russia's interference in the US election,

0:01:57 > 0:01:59his own Treasury Department added more sanctions

0:01:59 > 0:02:02against Russians today.

0:02:02 > 0:02:05And yet there is still the very real question of how much tougher

0:02:05 > 0:02:08the West is really prepared to be against the Kremlin.

0:02:08 > 0:02:13Here's James Landale.

0:02:13 > 0:02:16This was Theresa May's first visit to Salisbury

0:02:16 > 0:02:17since the nerve agent attack.

0:02:17 > 0:02:20A chance to be briefed by the police and public health experts,

0:02:20 > 0:02:23but a chance to meet and reassure members of the public,

0:02:23 > 0:02:27whose lives have been so disrupted.

0:02:27 > 0:02:30The spirit of those that live here has been fantastic.

0:02:30 > 0:02:33She visited the scene of the attack on the former Russian intelligence

0:02:33 > 0:02:35officer and his daughter 11 days ago.

0:02:35 > 0:02:38The restaurant where they ate and a park bench, under a tent,

0:02:38 > 0:02:45where they were found.

0:02:45 > 0:02:47The Prime Minister thanked some of the police officers who first

0:02:48 > 0:02:49responded to the call.

0:02:49 > 0:02:52Thank you, what you did is what the police do

0:02:52 > 0:02:53day in and day out.

0:02:53 > 0:02:58You go to a routine call, you don't know what you find.

0:02:58 > 0:03:00Then at the local hospital she met and thanked

0:03:00 > 0:03:02Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, who is still recovering

0:03:02 > 0:03:06from exposure to the nerve agent.

0:03:06 > 0:03:11Russia, she said, was guilty of a brazen and despicable attack.

0:03:11 > 0:03:15She expelled 23 of its diplomats, but is ready to do more.

0:03:15 > 0:03:24There are other things we're looking at.

0:03:24 > 0:03:26If we face further provocation from Russia there are other measures we

0:03:26 > 0:03:28can deploy.

0:03:28 > 0:03:30What is important in the international arena and we have

0:03:30 > 0:03:33taken this into Nato, the United Nations and we will be

0:03:33 > 0:03:36taking it into the European Union, allies are standing alongside us.

0:03:36 > 0:03:38That came in a joint statement from the leaders of Britain,

0:03:38 > 0:03:41France, Germany and the US, blaming Russia for what they called

0:03:41 > 0:03:46an assault on UK sovereignty.

0:03:59 > 0:04:03I spoke with the Prime Minister and we are in deep discussions,

0:04:03 > 0:04:07very sad situation and it looks like the Russians are behind it.

0:04:07 > 0:04:09Something that should never, ever happen and we are taking it

0:04:09 > 0:04:15very seriously, as I think are many others.

0:04:15 > 0:04:17The joint statement is significant because it shows the Foreign Office

0:04:17 > 0:04:20and Downing Street are convincing Britain's allies that the Salisbury

0:04:20 > 0:04:23attack is different, it represents an escalation

0:04:23 > 0:04:27of Russia's hostile behaviour.

0:04:27 > 0:04:33And as such, those allies are ready to crank up the pressure on Moscow.

0:04:33 > 0:04:35That diplomacy continued today in Brussels, where British security

0:04:35 > 0:04:38officials briefed Nato allies.

0:04:38 > 0:04:41The head of the alliance said Russia had clearly breached

0:04:41 > 0:04:44international agreements.

0:04:44 > 0:04:46It is important to express strong, political support

0:04:46 > 0:04:49to the United Kingdom, sending a clear message that

0:04:49 > 0:04:52the United Kingdom is not alone.

0:04:52 > 0:04:56We stand together with them.

0:04:56 > 0:04:58In Moscow, President Putin discussed the Salisbury

0:04:58 > 0:05:01case with his ministers, who denied Russia and the Soviet

0:05:01 > 0:05:05Union had ever run a Novichok nerve agent programme and promised

0:05:05 > 0:05:11to respond soon to the expulsion of its diplomats.

0:05:11 > 0:05:13The Porton Down military research laboratory,

0:05:13 > 0:05:16which identified the nerve agent, is to get an extra £48

0:05:16 > 0:05:18million in funding.

0:05:18 > 0:05:23Ministers confirmed it would provide a sample to the chemical watchdog.

0:05:23 > 0:05:27Ministers, whose diplomacy is not extending to Russia.

0:05:27 > 0:05:30If you are a nation and another nation has launched a nerve agent

0:05:30 > 0:05:33attack on your people, you have every right to tell Russia

0:05:33 > 0:05:37to shut up and go away.

0:05:37 > 0:05:39Meanwhile, this afternoon near Salisbury, the investigation

0:05:39 > 0:05:43continued with the Army recovering a car from the village near the home

0:05:43 > 0:05:53of Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey.

0:05:55 > 0:06:00We'll get more on this story in a minute.We are getting breaking news

0:06:00 > 0:06:03from Miami, where a pedestrian bridge at Florida International

0:06:03 > 0:06:06University has collapsed. There are reports that several people have

0:06:06 > 0:06:12been killed in the accident.These are live pictures from Miami. At

0:06:12 > 0:06:18least three vehicles, we understand, are underneath the bridge and a

0:06:18 > 0:06:21number of injured people have been treated. The bridge, which was only

0:06:21 > 0:06:23opened on Saturday, connected the university to a student housing

0:06:23 > 0:06:29area. The Miami Herald is reporting that those firemen you can see their

0:06:29 > 0:06:32around the bridge have been working through a hole, so they are getting

0:06:32 > 0:06:35some access to the vehicles underneath, and we've seen pictures

0:06:35 > 0:06:38in the last few minutes of paramedics also treating people on

0:06:38 > 0:06:44the road close to the bridge.Police are telling people to stay away from

0:06:44 > 0:06:50the area now, of course. Does remind our viewers it's about 3pm on the

0:06:50 > 0:06:53east coast in Miami. There would have been a lot of people travelling

0:06:53 > 0:06:57on the highway and that bridge has just been opened for a few days.

0:06:57 > 0:07:02We'll have more on this story as we get it. Let's return to the story,

0:07:02 > 0:07:06straight to Moscow, because our colleague Lucy Hawking is is there.

0:07:06 > 0:07:10We're still awaiting a response from the Russian authorities. It will

0:07:10 > 0:07:16come, it will be no surprise. What are we expecting?It's snowing on us

0:07:16 > 0:07:22here in Moscow and we really should, I suppose, use a metaphor and an

0:07:22 > 0:07:27analogy because relations between Britain and Russia are really in the

0:07:27 > 0:07:31deep freeze, the worst they've been for the past 30 years and Christian

0:07:31 > 0:07:34Kimura right, it we're expecting that response from the Kremlin some

0:07:34 > 0:07:40time soon -- Christian, you are right. We've had some indications as

0:07:40 > 0:07:44to what it could be. Sergei Lavrov suggesting some British diplomatic

0:07:44 > 0:07:52staff will be expelled from Russia, possibly. They said that when this

0:07:52 > 0:07:57response comes it will be different from how they we heard from the

0:07:57 > 0:08:03British, they will behave like gentlemen and will let the British

0:08:03 > 0:08:06here through official channels before the public here. We can show

0:08:06 > 0:08:09some pictures of Vladimir Putin, he's been taking this into

0:08:09 > 0:08:13consideration today, meeting with his Security Council and the line we

0:08:13 > 0:08:16had from this meeting is that great concern was expressed about the

0:08:16 > 0:08:20destructive and provocative stance taken by Britain. The other thing

0:08:20 > 0:08:23that has constantly been stressed here is they are still wanting and

0:08:23 > 0:08:29waiting for evidence to be produced by the British, to back up these

0:08:29 > 0:08:32allegations.We've been hearing on the programme over the last couple

0:08:32 > 0:08:36of days that the actions Theresa May has so far announced won't

0:08:36 > 0:08:40necessarily worry the Kremlin. What's your sense of whether people

0:08:40 > 0:08:46in the Russian government are feeling the heat over this one?It's

0:08:46 > 0:08:49a great question and I think that one of the interesting things,

0:08:49 > 0:08:52listening to the state television today, is that there are some

0:08:52 > 0:08:56analysts here who thought that Theresa May would have gone further,

0:08:56 > 0:08:59that these sanctions aren't as strong as they could have been, and

0:08:59 > 0:09:03maybe she's got others up her sleeve, particularly into if we get

0:09:03 > 0:09:08into a tit-for-tat situation and she's still holding on for some

0:09:08 > 0:09:13measures. If you speak to people on the streets, there is a massive

0:09:13 > 0:09:16sense of indignation here. They believe Russia has been falsely

0:09:16 > 0:09:20accused of something and people have all sorts of interesting allegations

0:09:20 > 0:09:23to toss Britain's way. For instance, they say that this is Britain

0:09:23 > 0:09:29wanting to interfere in Russia's build-up to the World Cup, wanting

0:09:29 > 0:09:32to interfere in the elections which are taking place in a few days'

0:09:32 > 0:09:37time, wanting to belittle Russia and make Britain look great game, at a

0:09:37 > 0:09:41time when they feel Britain looks on its knees because of Brexit. Just a

0:09:41 > 0:09:47few hours ago, state television said this was about Britain's centuries

0:09:47 > 0:09:51old imperial rivalry with brusher >> weather-macro: Russia. They gave

0:09:51 > 0:10:00ten examples, in 1917 King George V refused to receive the far's family

0:10:00 > 0:10:03in London, that's the kind of rhetoric we are seeing on state

0:10:03 > 0:10:11television this evening -- King George V refused to receive the

0:10:11 > 0:10:16tsar's family in London.Let's look at the joint statement from Nato

0:10:16 > 0:10:26allies. It says...

0:10:32 > 0:10:35How are Putin's supporters responding?

0:10:35 > 0:10:37Natalia Narochnitskaya is the former Vice Chair of

0:10:37 > 0:10:41the International Affairs Committee in the Russian State Duma

0:10:41 > 0:10:43and is currently campaigning across the country for President

0:10:43 > 0:10:49Putin.

0:10:49 > 0:10:53He's up for re-election. Thanks very much for joining the programme. Is

0:10:53 > 0:10:57it plausible for the Russian government at this stage after the

0:10:57 > 0:11:00Brits have investigated what has happened and this nerve agent to say

0:11:00 > 0:11:07really we had nothing to do with this?Well, I believe, I don't know

0:11:07 > 0:11:13whether my participation has any sense, because I remember the

0:11:13 > 0:11:18episodes in the British House of Commons when Jeremy Corbyn was

0:11:18 > 0:11:21silenced when he was asking legitimate questions, but of course

0:11:21 > 0:11:28I will try, since I come here to the studio. As far as I understand, as I

0:11:28 > 0:11:35know, there's still nobody has seen real proof of that was Russia behind

0:11:35 > 0:11:44and it would take someone insane, I mean in Russia's authorities circle,

0:11:44 > 0:11:48to organise such an event just before the election. The legitimate

0:11:48 > 0:11:53question, the first question we always ask ourselves when we

0:11:53 > 0:12:00investigate, when we face similar cases, who is profiting? Is Russia

0:12:00 > 0:12:10profiting from this? I think it would be insane to... As we proved,

0:12:10 > 0:12:15our Foreign Minister has said they were asking just give us the

0:12:15 > 0:12:19material.What the British Prime Minister is saying is there is no

0:12:19 > 0:12:23plausible alternative explanation and you have now Germany, France,

0:12:23 > 0:12:29the United Kingdom and the United States all saying that the Kremlin

0:12:29 > 0:12:32is responsible for this and has behaved in a way that is outrageous.

0:12:32 > 0:12:39Well, that's not cricket, because the allies are just supporting, they

0:12:39 > 0:12:44don't know anything about the case. You know, my only relative, the

0:12:44 > 0:12:49brother of my father, perished in Stalin's concentration camp and what

0:12:49 > 0:12:58I saw in the British House of Commons reminds me of how the trial

0:12:58 > 0:13:01in the Soviet Union of Stalin's time went, when the prosecutor general

0:13:01 > 0:13:09was accusing crime is absolutely unbelievable scale and all the rest

0:13:09 > 0:13:17were competing in loyalty, you know, pronouncing ardent speeches. There's

0:13:17 > 0:13:22only one person to ask for the proof.This is quite extraordinary,

0:13:22 > 0:13:26that you are about to have election on Sunday where there is no

0:13:26 > 0:13:29opposition and the opposition isn't allowed to stand and you are picking

0:13:29 > 0:13:32holes in British democracy where people are having a legitimate

0:13:32 > 0:13:42debate.We have a position, we have eight candidates and for instance

0:13:42 > 0:13:47the latest several rounds of debates on TV, people even slapped each

0:13:47 > 0:13:56other and were accusing Putin and the current authorities of all sorts

0:13:56 > 0:14:04of... Etc, etc. You call opposition only someone in the street, you

0:14:04 > 0:14:08know, that means that for instance your Labour Party is not opposition,

0:14:08 > 0:14:14etc, so opposition in some marginals only. We have opposition, we have

0:14:14 > 0:14:18eight candidates, and I'm sure they will gain some votes. For instance,

0:14:18 > 0:14:24the Communist Party, candidates, who is not a member of the party, will

0:14:24 > 0:14:30get 10%, I'm sure. Another will get not less than 6% and all the rest,

0:14:30 > 0:14:36two or three.I'm sorry, we have to leave it there. But thank you very

0:14:36 > 0:14:41much for coming into the studio. We are out of time.

0:14:41 > 0:14:44As we mentioned, the US has slapped sanctions on 19 Russian

0:14:44 > 0:14:46individuals and five groups, including Moscow's intelligence

0:14:46 > 0:14:48services, for meddling in the US presidential election.

0:14:48 > 0:14:50For more we can cross now to the BBC's North

0:14:50 > 0:14:54America Editor, Jon Sopel.

0:14:54 > 0:14:58It's extraordinary, listening to the indignant is from Moscow. Quite

0:14:58 > 0:15:02strong feelings there. There were people who were concerned that maybe

0:15:02 > 0:15:06President Trump wouldn't put his name to this condemnation. What

0:15:06 > 0:15:11we've seen today is him standing. Behind the Prime Minister.Well, it

0:15:11 > 0:15:15looks as though Theresa May has managed to pull something off that

0:15:15 > 0:15:18all the US intelligence services have singular Lee failed to do. And

0:15:18 > 0:15:23that's to bring the President onside into believing that the Russians

0:15:23 > 0:15:28were responsible for something that was not good and I think it was very

0:15:28 > 0:15:32striking, when I saw the statement classmate issued by Sarah Sanders,

0:15:32 > 0:15:36the press secretary to the president, condemning the Russian

0:15:36 > 0:15:39activity, accepting that Russia was likely responsible, accepting that

0:15:39 > 0:15:43it was the right thing to do to expel those diplomats and perhaps

0:15:43 > 0:15:49taking further action, then this morning Donald Trump doing something

0:15:49 > 0:15:54rather Trump, which was to sign a joint letter with the leaders of the

0:15:54 > 0:15:56UK, France and Germany, in condemnation of what Russia was

0:15:56 > 0:16:00doing and saying was offending the norms of international behaviour and

0:16:00 > 0:16:03destabilising, and he's also repeated that in terms in his

0:16:03 > 0:16:07meeting with the Taoiseach. These are things we haven't seen from the

0:16:07 > 0:16:12president before.Stay with us, because I want to get your reaction

0:16:12 > 0:16:17to another story that's breaking here about Russia will stop

0:16:17 > 0:16:20The New York Times is reporting that the special counsel Bob Mueller

0:16:20 > 0:16:22has subpoenaed Mr Trump's financial records to do with any Russian

0:16:22 > 0:16:23business activities.

0:16:23 > 0:16:25It's the first time the investigation has subpoenaed

0:16:25 > 0:16:26Trump's business records.

0:16:26 > 0:16:31Here's the White House press secretary a few moments ago.

0:16:31 > 0:16:35as we've maintained all along and as the president has said numerous

0:16:35 > 0:16:39times, there was no collusion between the campaign and Russia for

0:16:39 > 0:16:46specific questions regarding the Trump Organisation, I'd refuse you

0:16:46 > 0:16:51to them.How significant is this news breaking in the New York Times?

0:16:51 > 0:16:54It is significant for tit reasons. It shows the Bob Mueller

0:16:54 > 0:16:58investigation is going on, it's not coming to a close, it's not pack up

0:16:58 > 0:17:02and go home and a couple of weeks' time. This is going on. The second

0:17:02 > 0:17:05reason it is significant is that Donald Trump gave an interview to

0:17:05 > 0:17:10the New York Times last summer in which he said, look, if you start

0:17:10 > 0:17:13coming after my family's finances, that would be crossing a red line.

0:17:13 > 0:17:17All of which leaves open the question has the Bob Mueller

0:17:17 > 0:17:22investigation with the supreme crossed one of those red line that

0:17:22 > 0:17:24Donald Trump set, so potentially dangerous moment for the

0:17:24 > 0:17:28investigation. We had Sarah Sanders say I refer you to the Trump

0:17:28 > 0:17:31organisation. Let me tell you what they have said in the last few

0:17:31 > 0:17:36moments. Since July 2017 we've advised the public that the Trump

0:17:36 > 0:17:38organisation is fully cooperative with all investigations, including

0:17:38 > 0:17:44the Special Counsel, and is responding to their requests. This

0:17:44 > 0:17:47is old news and our assistance in cooperation with the various

0:17:47 > 0:17:51investigations remain the same today. I suppose my only question I

0:17:51 > 0:17:55would throw in, if they'd been cooperating so fully with the Bob

0:17:55 > 0:17:59Mueller organisation, why would there have been a need for a

0:17:59 > 0:18:07subpoena?Yeah, I've been asking that question as well. What do Mr

0:18:07 > 0:18:10Trump supporters make of this news?

0:18:10 > 0:18:12Kayleigh McEnany is the spokesperson for

0:18:12 > 0:18:15the Republican National Committee.

0:18:15 > 0:18:20I want to get the reaction to the news in the New York Times that Bob

0:18:20 > 0:18:24Mueller has subpoenaed the Trump Organisation for the business

0:18:24 > 0:18:28records. How significant is it?Not very significant. The Trump

0:18:28 > 0:18:31organisation has been cooperating and will co-operate further and Bob

0:18:31 > 0:18:36Mueller has subpoenaed these documents. They've already been

0:18:36 > 0:18:39given 20,000 documents from the Trump organisation, from the White

0:18:39 > 0:18:44House, from the campaign. They've got 37 witnesses. The Trump

0:18:44 > 0:18:46Administration, campaign and organisation of been fully

0:18:46 > 0:18:51cooperating. There are hundreds of thousands of pages of documents that

0:18:51 > 0:18:56they found no collusion. There will be no collusion that is found and we

0:18:56 > 0:19:00hope...If Bob Mueller is investigating President Trump's

0:19:00 > 0:19:02business dealings and looking at those and he finds something there,

0:19:02 > 0:19:06the president has said this would be crossing a red line. What does that

0:19:06 > 0:19:11actually mean in terms of the investigation? Could he fire Bob

0:19:11 > 0:19:16Mueller over this?I think President Trump trusts Mr Muller to stay

0:19:16 > 0:19:20within his jurisdiction and that was what he was indicating, that it

0:19:20 > 0:19:24should not be a free rein to look into anyone with the name Trump.

0:19:24 > 0:19:27Everything the Trump organisation has done has been aboveboard and

0:19:27 > 0:19:31that's what Bob Mueller will find, he'll not find any evidence of

0:19:31 > 0:19:34collusion, any bad financial transactions here, so they will

0:19:34 > 0:19:37co-operate as they indicated. There will be nothing found and all

0:19:37 > 0:19:41President Trump wants is for this to wrap up quickly and fairly.We've

0:19:41 > 0:19:46had an announcement today, we have a new national economic adviser Larry

0:19:46 > 0:19:49Kudlow, who is coming to the building, Rex Tillerson on his way

0:19:49 > 0:19:53out of course, he'll be gone in a few weeks' time and the rumours are

0:19:53 > 0:19:57starting to circulate about who else might go, HR McMaster, the National

0:19:57 > 0:20:02Security adviser. It looks pretty chaotic from over here.It's not

0:20:02 > 0:20:05chaotic at all. Here's what Trump supporters look at and Americans

0:20:05 > 0:20:09generally are the results coming out of the Administration and their

0:20:09 > 0:20:12staff changes, yes, there is a lot of power century in our mainstream

0:20:12 > 0:20:19media, but look at the results, the economy, the fact North Korea is

0:20:19 > 0:20:21willing to temporarily stop their missile testing and pursues a

0:20:21 > 0:20:24meeting with the president. That's what Trump supporters and Americans

0:20:24 > 0:20:31are looking at. The staff changes are in a footnote to a bigger story.

0:20:31 > 0:20:34It does give an impression there have been more people leaving this

0:20:34 > 0:20:41Administration in the first year that -- that -- than is customary

0:20:41 > 0:20:45and it's understandable as reports of chaos because so many people are

0:20:45 > 0:20:49coming and going.President Trump is a very high standard and if someone

0:20:49 > 0:20:54isn't meeting that standard, President Trump...Does everyone

0:20:54 > 0:20:57else in the White House meeting standard at the moment?I think at

0:20:57 > 0:21:02the moment, yes, if someone loses the confidence and they will know.

0:21:02 > 0:21:08President Trump did push back reports that other people would be

0:21:08 > 0:21:14leaving. Mr McMaster stays for now. We'll see if it changes by next

0:21:14 > 0:21:24week. We'll get you back in if it does because it changes a lot.

0:21:24 > 0:21:30The appointment of Larry Kudlow is interesting, he's somebody who is a

0:21:30 > 0:21:33conservatives television commentator and here's what he did last night,

0:21:33 > 0:21:37Christian, when he was on television himself. He spoke very unusual this

0:21:37 > 0:21:43about how he was called and asked to be in the Trump Administration. His

0:21:43 > 0:21:47answer was the president called me, told him he'd seen him on television

0:21:47 > 0:21:52and said that he was very handsome. Opec smack there is hope for us all.

0:21:52 > 0:21:57You should be sending in your resume. You look handsome on TV.Do

0:21:57 > 0:22:04you think he'd read it?I think it would have to be a picture of you on

0:22:04 > 0:22:08television.Lycos is all real, my bad clips.There a valid point to be

0:22:08 > 0:22:13made that the president needs to have around him any president needs

0:22:13 > 0:22:15to have around them a team with which they are comfortable and we've

0:22:15 > 0:22:18seen the changes in the State Department. He was clearly not

0:22:18 > 0:22:21comfortable with Rex Tillerson. He was clearly not comfortable either

0:22:21 > 0:22:26with Gary Cohen, so having a new person running the economic side of

0:22:26 > 0:22:29things makes an awful lot of sense in terms of how you're going to

0:22:29 > 0:22:32operate the White House. If you can get the team with him that he's

0:22:32 > 0:22:36comfortable with we may see less of this churn in the White House.And

0:22:36 > 0:22:39yet five months ago this was the most remarkable group of people he'd

0:22:39 > 0:22:42ever brought together in the Cabinet and if you read the papers, and I

0:22:42 > 0:22:47know some of it is speculation, the atmosphere, both within the Cabinet

0:22:47 > 0:22:51and within the White House in general, I mean people don't have

0:22:51 > 0:22:55any confidence they're going to be there next week.No, he was elected

0:22:55 > 0:22:58because he didn't have experience of running politics and political

0:22:58 > 0:23:02organisations. Well, part of that leads to a certain amount of players

0:23:02 > 0:23:06in the stuffing I guess, so that's perhaps to be expected from what is

0:23:06 > 0:23:17voters wanted from him -- a certain amount of chaos in the stuffing.

0:23:17 > 0:23:20I want to share some spectacular pictures coming to us from Finland.

0:23:20 > 0:23:22They are the Northern Lights of course, and Christian,

0:23:22 > 0:23:24I want you take a good look them.

0:23:24 > 0:23:25How do they make you feel?

0:23:25 > 0:23:30Humbled perhaps?

0:23:30 > 0:23:35Maybe there's a happy-go-lucky and feeling when you look at the aurora

0:23:35 > 0:23:42borealis.I just feel rather green! Do you? Apparently you can see it

0:23:42 > 0:23:45from England tonight, from Gloucestershire. We'll have to find

0:23:45 > 0:23:47out tomorrow if the people of Gloucestershire are happy tomorrow.

0:23:47 > 0:23:53Maybe there's something in it. Shall we get back to Finland? You were

0:23:53 > 0:23:57meant to say you feel very happy. That's the reason we are showing

0:23:57 > 0:24:01these pictures, not because they are beautiful but because they come from

0:24:01 > 0:24:08the happiest country on earth.

0:24:08 > 0:24:11Apart from economic factors, life expectancy and freedom of choice -

0:24:11 > 0:24:13the countries were also ranked based on the happiness of

0:24:13 > 0:24:14immigrants in the country.

0:24:14 > 0:24:18Scandinavia is well represented in the top five.

0:24:18 > 0:24:21Apart from other European countries, Canada, New Zealand and Australia

0:24:21 > 0:24:26round out the top ten.

0:24:30 > 0:24:37As for the US and the UK - 18th and 19th respectively.

0:24:37 > 0:24:41I don't understand, I'm always hearing people in Scandinavian

0:24:41 > 0:24:45countries, don't they have high suicide rates?That was always the

0:24:45 > 0:24:48feeling about Finland, because of the dark nights, the long, dark

0:24:48 > 0:24:52nights and the Vari-Lite Summers, that they had a higher than average

0:24:52 > 0:24:59suicide rate. -- very light source. America's subjective well-being is

0:24:59 > 0:25:04being systematically undermined by three interrelated epidemic

0:25:04 > 0:25:09diseases. Notable obesity, substance abuse, especially opioid addiction,

0:25:09 > 0:25:13and depression, and that's why they think America is slipping down the

0:25:13 > 0:25:17table. Also notable that when we talk about income and society of the

0:25:17 > 0:25:24way society interacts, Venezuela has dropped 20 places to 102 on the

0:25:24 > 0:25:28list.They didn't have our studio, which of course is the happiest

0:25:28 > 0:25:33place on the planet, right?And Burnley, as well, seventh in the

0:25:33 > 0:25:37league and doing well! Anyway... This is.

0:25:37 > 0:25:39This is Beyond 100 Days from the BBC.

0:25:39 > 0:25:43Coming up for viewers on the BBC News Channel and BBC World News -

0:25:43 > 0:25:45a sombre anniversary in Syria - seven years since the outbreak

0:25:45 > 0:25:48of civil war, what's the world doing about it?

0:25:48 > 0:25:50And the changing face of National Geographic -

0:25:50 > 0:25:52why its editor wants to talk to us about its racist past.

0:25:52 > 0:25:53That's still to come.

0:26:18 > 0:26:22Welcome to how the weather is going to pan out in the British Isles. In

0:26:22 > 0:26:26the short term we are looking to the Atlantic, to see low-pressure

0:26:26 > 0:26:29driving frontal systems towards the British Isles. If you spend the day

0:26:29 > 0:26:33in northern and eastern parts it's been one of those, it's been wet,

0:26:33 > 0:26:37cold, pretty miserable affairs, snow across the high ground of Scotland.

0:26:37 > 0:26:39We're watching another feature running into the south-western

0:26:39 > 0:26:44quarter of the British Isles, so as we start the new day on Friday not a

0:26:44 > 0:26:47particularly cold start the day but it will be for some of you are

0:26:47 > 0:26:50really quite wet one. This front towards the north and east of

0:26:50 > 0:26:56Scotland producing quite a bit of rain and significant snowfall across

0:26:56 > 0:26:59the high and then Northern Ireland down through the North West of

0:26:59 > 0:27:01England towards north-eastern Wales, the Midlands, on towards the

0:27:01 > 0:27:05south-east, really quite heavy rain in its own right there. The snowfall

0:27:05 > 0:27:08totals really mounting up across the higher ground of Scotland here. It

0:27:08 > 0:27:12really will be a high ground feature, I think. Similar prospect

0:27:12 > 0:27:16perhaps across the highest ground at the top end of the Pennines. Don't

0:27:16 > 0:27:18discount this more southerly feature. It looks rather more patchy

0:27:18 > 0:27:23but even so I think there will be the moderate burst of rain. Further

0:27:23 > 0:27:30south than that is where you get sunshine but some pretty sharp

0:27:30 > 0:27:33showers as well. As you sleep into the start of the weekend marked

0:27:33 > 0:27:36transformation. We start importing some really cold air. There will be

0:27:36 > 0:27:40a widespread frost on Saturday. Thanks to the importation of some

0:27:40 > 0:27:43really cold air and that big area of high pressure over Scandinavia

0:27:43 > 0:27:46throwing the cold air towards the British Isles, no signs of mild air

0:27:46 > 0:27:53we are all in this similar boat. And on that noticeable very keen

0:27:53 > 0:27:56easterly wind there will be plenty of snow showers running into the

0:27:56 > 0:28:00Wash and through towards the Midlands, into East Anglia, into the

0:28:00 > 0:28:03eastern side of Pennines and eastern Scotland and you add in the strength

0:28:03 > 0:28:06of the wind, my word it will feel bitterly cold full stop considering

0:28:06 > 0:28:12that some of you had around 13-14 on Friday, it will be a shock to the

0:28:12 > 0:28:16system. We start Sunday, there could well be more widespread snowfall

0:28:16 > 0:28:20rather than showers. The northern boundary of that is difficult to pin

0:28:20 > 0:28:23down at the moment. Further north than that yes, there will still be

0:28:23 > 0:28:28wintry showers to be had. Simply because it is going to be that cold.

0:28:28 > 0:28:33Take care, goodbye.

0:30:10 > 0:30:12This is Beyond 100 Days, with me, Katty Kay in Washington.

0:30:12 > 0:30:13Christian Fraser's in London.

0:30:13 > 0:30:15Our top stories:

0:30:15 > 0:30:18As tests continue at the home of the poisoned former

0:30:18 > 0:30:20Russia spy Sergei Skripal, Britain, France, Germany and the US

0:30:20 > 0:30:22issue a rare joint statement condemning the Kremlin

0:30:22 > 0:30:25for the attack.

0:30:25 > 0:30:28Russia denies it made the nerve agent used in that attack

0:30:28 > 0:30:30and promises to retaliate against Britain for expelling

0:30:30 > 0:30:3223 Russian diplomats.

0:30:32 > 0:30:33More on that shortly.

0:30:33 > 0:30:35Also coming up in the next half hour:

0:30:35 > 0:30:38We'll get the latest from Florida where a new pedestrian

0:30:38 > 0:30:39bridge has collapsed, reportedly killing

0:30:39 > 0:30:40a number of people.

0:30:40 > 0:30:44These are live pictures from the scene in Miami.

0:30:44 > 0:30:47It's an industry worth £28 billion to the UK economy -

0:30:47 > 0:30:50but what impact will Brexit have on British fashion?

0:30:50 > 0:30:54We'll talk to leading designer Maria Grachvogel.

0:30:54 > 0:31:01Let us know your thoughts by using the hashtag #Beyond100Days.

0:31:07 > 0:31:09Let's return to our breaking news this hour.

0:31:09 > 0:31:11A pedestrian bridge at Florida's International University

0:31:11 > 0:31:15in Miami has collapsed, killing several people.

0:31:15 > 0:31:20These are live pictures from Miami - at least three vehicles were trapped

0:31:20 > 0:31:24underneath and a number of injured people have been treated.

0:31:24 > 0:31:31Luis Fajado from BBC Monitoring is in Miami.

0:31:31 > 0:31:41What more can you tell us?There has been this major accident, a 900

0:31:41 > 0:31:49tonne bridge has collapsed on a major Miami Avenue in the early

0:31:49 > 0:31:54afternoon with heavy traffic, several cars have been trapped

0:31:54 > 0:31:58inside the structure. Florida highway police have told local media

0:31:58 > 0:32:06there have been confirmed fatalities and they also say a number of people

0:32:06 > 0:32:11are being treated in hospital. This bridge had only been set up this

0:32:11 > 0:32:16weekend, it was considered a safety hazard for university students

0:32:16 > 0:32:22moving from the main campus to their residences across the Avenue and now

0:32:22 > 0:32:28they are facing this major accident. Thank you for bringing us the latest

0:32:28 > 0:32:30from Miami.

0:32:30 > 0:32:33It's only three days until Russians go to the polls and today

0:32:33 > 0:32:35the country's conflicts with the West are centre stage.

0:32:35 > 0:32:37Moscow has called Britain's expulsion of 23 Russian diplomats

0:32:37 > 0:32:41over the poisoning of a former spy in southern England irresponsible.

0:32:41 > 0:32:44While here in the US, the government has slapped sanctions

0:32:44 > 0:32:48on 19 Russians for interfering in the US election.

0:32:48 > 0:32:51Here to discuss all of these developments is Thomas Pickering,

0:32:51 > 0:32:58former US Ambassador to both Russia and the UN.

0:32:58 > 0:33:05Thank you for coming in. Earlier on we were speaking to somebody who was

0:33:05 > 0:33:12a strong supporter of President Putin, who expressed outrage at the

0:33:12 > 0:33:15suggestion that Russia was involved in the poisoning of this former spy

0:33:15 > 0:33:21and said they wanted proof before they would contemplate this. Is that

0:33:21 > 0:33:27what you would expect?I would, they are very defensive about these kind

0:33:27 > 0:33:39of things, but using novichok, that Russian nerve agent, and the

0:33:39 > 0:33:42tell-tale that has left, is something interesting because they

0:33:42 > 0:33:48have seemingly left a trace and you wonder why, and my sense is that

0:33:48 > 0:33:54when Putin was asked a year ago, was there something unforgivable, he

0:33:54 > 0:34:00said the trail, and while this is not clear, there is an interesting

0:34:00 > 0:34:05tie-up here between these two people that have been poisoned, the

0:34:05 > 0:34:11Alexander Litvinenko case, both of which the Russians would have a

0:34:11 > 0:34:16reason to feel represented the trailers, the tradition among

0:34:16 > 0:34:23released spies is that they work beyond farm. I'm not sure what is

0:34:23 > 0:34:29going on but Putin could be sending a message to his folks are aware of

0:34:29 > 0:34:33the fact they are targets for western intelligence and wanting to

0:34:33 > 0:34:41tighten the reins.If we were to go down the line of Jeremy Corbyn and

0:34:41 > 0:34:46not point the finger directly at the state and hypothesise that maybe

0:34:46 > 0:34:52there was a Black Ops operation in Russia, is that possible? We think

0:34:52 > 0:34:58President Putin is our strong man and no one can touch but how much

0:34:58 > 0:35:05power do these groups around him have?We saw some things like that

0:35:05 > 0:35:09in the middle of the Boris Yeltsin period where things were more at

0:35:09 > 0:35:15tumultuous and out of work. Putin knows this business, he has been

0:35:15 > 0:35:21around for a long time and the last thing he would want is some kind of

0:35:21 > 0:35:27black operation put him in a difficult position. The

0:35:27 > 0:35:31juxtaposition with the election is something but nobody has ever had

0:35:31 > 0:35:37the view that Putin would lose this election. His popularity is up, the

0:35:37 > 0:35:43notion he controls the vote count is not far from reality so it may be a

0:35:43 > 0:35:50late night if it is close but it is hard to believe it will not be a

0:35:50 > 0:35:56landslide for him.Do you think there is anything different about

0:35:56 > 0:35:59this occasion to the Alexander Litvinenko murder that would make

0:35:59 > 0:36:09you think there will be a tough retaliation?That unrolled slowly,

0:36:09 > 0:36:16and it took a longer time to come to a conclusion. Polonium 2010 was a

0:36:16 > 0:36:22harder element to find so that may have done it but this is the second

0:36:22 > 0:36:27time, maybe more if there are truths to some of the other cases that have

0:36:27 > 0:36:32popped up but not been fully explored, so why think the notion

0:36:32 > 0:36:38that how much further can it go on, the British Prime Minister is under

0:36:38 > 0:36:43pressure for all kinds of things so it is a good time to be tough.Thank

0:36:43 > 0:36:46you for coming in.

0:36:46 > 0:36:48Seven years after the civil war in Syria broke out today

0:36:48 > 0:36:49the bloodshed continues.

0:36:49 > 0:36:52Thousands of people are fleeing the rebel held enclave

0:36:52 > 0:36:54of Eastern Ghouta as government forces step up their

0:36:54 > 0:36:55bombardment of the suburb.

0:36:55 > 0:36:57One doctor has told the BBC that the streets and hospitals

0:36:57 > 0:36:59are full of injured people.

0:36:59 > 0:37:02And there are not enough medical staff or supplies to help them all.

0:37:02 > 0:37:04As our Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen reports,

0:37:04 > 0:37:06after years of resistance, it looks like the Damascus

0:37:06 > 0:37:08suburb is about to fall.

0:37:08 > 0:37:11Thousands of people are fleeing parts of Eastern Ghouta,

0:37:11 > 0:37:15going into an uncertain future that looks better now than

0:37:15 > 0:37:17the deadly present.

0:37:17 > 0:37:19These are the people who have spent weeks hiding

0:37:19 > 0:37:22in basements from the shelling.

0:37:22 > 0:37:28Eastern Ghouta is a big area and this isn't happening everywhere.

0:37:33 > 0:37:38Many tens of thousands are still besieged.

0:37:38 > 0:37:44This was filmed by Omar, a cameraman who gives his material to the BBC.

0:37:44 > 0:37:47The attack happened outside his building.

0:37:47 > 0:37:51A small boy was caught up in it.

0:37:51 > 0:37:55He is deaf, so he hadn't heard warnings to take cover.

0:37:55 > 0:37:58Omar, the cameraman, worried the boy would bleed to death

0:37:58 > 0:38:01and told us the eight minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive

0:38:01 > 0:38:04were the worst he had endured since the battle

0:38:04 > 0:38:08for Eastern Ghouta had began.

0:38:08 > 0:38:11Omar carried him to the ambulance where he was squeezed in

0:38:11 > 0:38:14next to the bodies of the dead.

0:38:14 > 0:38:17Omar has seen a lot of death.

0:38:17 > 0:38:21He said the boy was a soul he wanted to save.

0:38:21 > 0:38:26We have been following this doctor, a paediatrician in an underground

0:38:26 > 0:38:31hospital, who spends every day with the wounded and the dying.

0:38:31 > 0:38:35In that place, they are all fighting fear, where regime soldiers

0:38:35 > 0:38:38are advancing into the Eastern Ghouta.

0:38:38 > 0:38:45The doctor sent a message.

0:38:45 > 0:38:47TRANSLATION:It is the worst it has been for many days,

0:38:47 > 0:38:49the shelling is brutal, bombs, rockets,

0:38:49 > 0:38:51all kinds of weapons.

0:38:51 > 0:38:53This may be my last message.

0:38:53 > 0:38:55The injured are everywhere, the operating theatres

0:38:55 > 0:38:58are full of wounded people.

0:38:58 > 0:39:00We don't have enough doctors to help them

0:39:00 > 0:39:03and our own homes are being shelved.

0:39:03 > 0:39:07A small amount of aid is being brought into Eastern Ghouta.

0:39:07 > 0:39:15All the talk of a humanitarian ceasefire is being ignored.

0:39:15 > 0:39:17This war started seven years ago.

0:39:17 > 0:39:20Its horror goes on.

0:39:20 > 0:39:24Jeremy Bowen, BBC News.

0:39:24 > 0:39:28When the violence in Syria first broke out seven years ago,

0:39:28 > 0:39:30journalist Rania Abouzeid was on the ground, and for years

0:39:30 > 0:39:33continued her reporting despite being banned

0:39:33 > 0:39:36from entering the country.

0:39:36 > 0:39:37She's written a new book about her experiences

0:39:37 > 0:39:39called No Turning Back.

0:39:39 > 0:39:43She joined us a short time ago.

0:39:43 > 0:39:49You've told the story of the Syrian civil war through portraits

0:39:49 > 0:39:55of people you met over the years, four of them, and I wanted

0:39:55 > 0:39:59you to start by telling us a little about the girl you met six for seven

0:39:59 > 0:40:02years ago, what's happened to her life in the last few years?

0:40:02 > 0:40:06I wanted to explain war through the eyes of a child and show

0:40:06 > 0:40:09the impact it had on a regular family, so you see Ruha absorbing

0:40:09 > 0:40:13what's happening around her, trying to understand it,

0:40:13 > 0:40:16and some of the challenges she faces as a child

0:40:16 > 0:40:24living in tumultuous times, like the small things for a little

0:40:24 > 0:40:28girl, not being able to go out into the courtyard because she fears

0:40:28 > 0:40:32snipers, not being able to play on the streets.

0:40:32 > 0:40:34She says we used to play on the streets then

0:40:34 > 0:40:39we feared we would be shot, this is a nine-year-old girl who has

0:40:39 > 0:40:43these concerns so it gives you an idea how it impacts everyone

0:40:43 > 0:40:45and how even a nine-year-old can absorb everything happening

0:40:45 > 0:40:48around her and she's trying to understand it in her own ways.

0:40:48 > 0:40:51One of the political things we have seen in Syria over the course

0:40:51 > 0:40:54of this war has been the growth of radicalisation,

0:40:54 > 0:40:55of Islamic extremists.

0:40:55 > 0:40:58It wasn't necessarily there at the beginning

0:40:58 > 0:41:03of the protest but it has emerged in the country.

0:41:03 > 0:41:08You tell the story of Muhammad, who became radicalised - how?

0:41:08 > 0:41:11I tell the story of three Al-Qaeda members in this book and that's

0:41:11 > 0:41:13to illustrate the Islamisation of the uprising and all three

0:41:13 > 0:41:15characters were radicalised at different times

0:41:15 > 0:41:18and in different ways.

0:41:18 > 0:41:21Muhammad was radicalised because his family suffered

0:41:21 > 0:41:27from the older Assad's crackdown against an earlier Islamist

0:41:27 > 0:41:34insurrection in the 1980s and that, to use Muhammad's words,

0:41:34 > 0:41:37planted hatred in his heart, which he carried with him

0:41:37 > 0:41:43until he saw a chance in 2011 to take revenge against the regime

0:41:43 > 0:41:50and his vehicle for revenge was Islamic radicalism.

0:41:50 > 0:41:54The characters you follow through your book and their life

0:41:54 > 0:42:01stories that you bring to us are important because I worry that

0:42:01 > 0:42:10after seven years of the pictures and horror we see on our screens,

0:42:10 > 0:42:12the world has become inured to what is happening in Syria.

0:42:12 > 0:42:15Do you worry that the international community has switched off?

0:42:15 > 0:42:18That's why I chose to follow a number of characters and do so not

0:42:18 > 0:42:22just for a minute where you see them after a battle but to follow them

0:42:22 > 0:42:26over years so you can get the context of their experience

0:42:26 > 0:42:31and in following them you will understand something

0:42:31 > 0:42:33about what happened in Syria on a political level,

0:42:33 > 0:42:36a military level, on a social level.

0:42:36 > 0:42:39That's why I structured it the way it is, because it is complex

0:42:39 > 0:42:43and difficult to understand and there is an alphabet soup

0:42:43 > 0:42:47of rebel groups that keeps changing but in my experience of covering

0:42:47 > 0:42:54a place like the Middle East, if you focus on people and tell

0:42:54 > 0:42:56the story through people, you can untangle those ideologies

0:42:56 > 0:42:57and the complicated nature of the story.

0:42:57 > 0:43:00It becomes easier to understand.

0:43:00 > 0:43:05Briefly, have you been back to Syria?

0:43:05 > 0:43:07I haven't been back since late 2016, just because

0:43:07 > 0:43:08it's so difficult to get into.

0:43:08 > 0:43:13It's near impossible to get into Syria now.

0:43:13 > 0:43:17Which is why there is so little coverage of it.

0:43:17 > 0:43:19The book is no turning back.

0:43:19 > 0:43:24Thank you for coming in.

0:43:24 > 0:43:30Keeping the world interesting in what is going on is a real battle.

0:43:30 > 0:43:36It reminded me of a tweet I saw a month ago from Unicef who sent out a

0:43:36 > 0:43:42blank tweet, no words will do justice to the children killed,

0:43:42 > 0:43:47their mothers, fathers and loved ones, pointing out that all these

0:43:47 > 0:43:55pictures are not working because the international community is not doing

0:43:55 > 0:43:59enough.And you met some of the Syrian refugees who came out, those

0:43:59 > 0:44:05people had tough lives, then once you met on the border with Greece.

0:44:05 > 0:44:10It's two years ago this week, and it is those personal stories that stick

0:44:10 > 0:44:17with you, the pictures and videos pale compared to the people I listen

0:44:17 > 0:44:23to on the border. This family had a farm outside Damascus that they sold

0:44:23 > 0:44:28because they wanted a wooden boat from Turkey to Greece because the

0:44:28 > 0:44:34rubber ones were sinking, but before they got to Greece, they chose --

0:44:34 > 0:44:40the border was closed, so they couldn't go forwards or backwards,

0:44:40 > 0:44:46and that night I went home and had a warm shower. It rained and rained

0:44:46 > 0:44:52and it was really miserable.And they had nothing left because they

0:44:52 > 0:44:54had sold it all.

0:44:54 > 0:44:56Stella McCartney, Vivenne Westwood, Alexander McQueen -

0:44:56 > 0:44:59some of the biggest names in global fashion are British and in the last

0:44:59 > 0:45:02ten year the size of the business in the UK has taken off

0:45:02 > 0:45:03as never before.

0:45:03 > 0:45:05At the last count, fashion was worth more than to

0:45:06 > 0:45:07£28 billion to the UK economy.

0:45:07 > 0:45:09And fashion is as about as international a business

0:45:09 > 0:45:12as you can get, so what difference will Brexit make?

0:45:12 > 0:45:13On the day that the Creative Industries Federation

0:45:13 > 0:45:16hosts a major conference, and as part of our own Business

0:45:16 > 0:45:19of Brexit series, we've been talking to the leading UK fashion designer

0:45:19 > 0:45:26Maria Grachvogel.

0:45:26 > 0:45:32Almost a year to go until Brexit, does your industry think it has

0:45:32 > 0:45:39enough information about what will happen?Absolutely not. On a human

0:45:39 > 0:45:45level, there is concern among designers and manufacturers in the

0:45:45 > 0:45:52UK, to see exactly what that will mean. I think we have a huge design

0:45:52 > 0:45:58skill here in the UK and our skills are some of the best but we are in

0:45:58 > 0:46:05some ways, we have relied on a certain pool of immigration for the

0:46:05 > 0:46:09people that do the work, the machinists, we aren't training those

0:46:09 > 0:46:13in the UK, we don't have those skills and the risk concern as to

0:46:13 > 0:46:22what happens next for the industry. When I lived in Italy, it was a huge

0:46:22 > 0:46:26frustration to designers who had made a brand that sold around the

0:46:26 > 0:46:30world that some of their skills were disappearing because they were

0:46:30 > 0:46:35bringing in people from abroad to keep down the cost. When Brexiteer

0:46:35 > 0:46:40is saved those are the sort of people we need to start retraining,

0:46:40 > 0:46:47building up a British brand?That's all well and good but it's whether

0:46:47 > 0:46:55they want to. Students come in to my work for placements and we offer a

0:46:55 > 0:47:00good technical placement because I believe in making clothes, I can

0:47:00 > 0:47:05make something from beginning to end that not many people are interested

0:47:05 > 0:47:12in learning to be a machinist. People are interested in being a

0:47:12 > 0:47:17designer and that is different, we in the UK have to say it is gorgeous

0:47:17 > 0:47:25to be a pattern cutter or a machinist and have that pride as

0:47:25 > 0:47:29opposed to purely in design.Beyond the idea of labour and raw materials

0:47:29 > 0:47:35which use a lot of imported materials, fashion is very global.

0:47:35 > 0:47:41Christian wear something that is fabulous, we try and copy it, but

0:47:41 > 0:47:47that idea of a globalised creative spirit, how does that get affected,

0:47:47 > 0:47:55or does it, when Britain leaves the EU?It's not so much to design side

0:47:55 > 0:47:59of things although there are questions about, right now I could

0:47:59 > 0:48:05go and potentially have a job in the design house in Paris, how easy

0:48:05 > 0:48:11would that be after Brexit remains to be seen. Somebody at my level may

0:48:11 > 0:48:17not have the issues, the issues are further down the food chain.What do

0:48:17 > 0:48:23you need to hear next week when the European governments get together?

0:48:23 > 0:48:29Harass any materials?That's super important because we're bringing

0:48:29 > 0:48:34things in from the EU all the time and what that looks like in terms of

0:48:34 > 0:48:39the finished price of goods because we have an amazing design industry

0:48:39 > 0:48:40and we need to support it.

0:48:40 > 0:48:41This is Beyond 100 Days.

0:48:41 > 0:48:51Still to come:

0:48:52 > 0:48:57The changing face of National Geographic -

0:48:57 > 0:49:01What these pictures tell us about its past and its future.

0:49:01 > 0:49:03The police investigation into the Grenfell Tower blaze has

0:49:03 > 0:49:05revealed a fire door has failed a fire test.

0:49:05 > 0:49:08Experts said it was supposed to resist fire for 30 minutes,

0:49:08 > 0:49:09but lasted for only 15.

0:49:09 > 0:49:10Tom Symonds reports.

0:49:10 > 0:49:12Could what happened here be the result of

0:49:12 > 0:49:14corporate manslaughter?

0:49:14 > 0:49:15That is what the police are investigating.

0:49:15 > 0:49:17Highly technical work, including the test of a door

0:49:17 > 0:49:18from a Grenfell flat.

0:49:18 > 0:49:20One that was undamaged in the fire.

0:49:20 > 0:49:23In this standard test, heat is applied to one side

0:49:23 > 0:49:26and the door must hold for 30 minutes.

0:49:26 > 0:49:29Here, there's some smoke, but this door easily passes the test.

0:49:29 > 0:49:33The sample from Grenfell lasted 15 minutes.

0:49:33 > 0:49:37The police informed the government, which has consulted its own experts.

0:49:37 > 0:49:39The response:

0:49:39 > 0:49:41There is no change to fire safety advice

0:49:41 > 0:49:44that the public should follow.

0:49:44 > 0:49:48I, nevertheless, fully appreciate that this news will be

0:49:48 > 0:49:51troubling for many people, not least all those affected

0:49:51 > 0:49:54by the Grenfell tragedy.

0:49:54 > 0:49:57That is why, based on expert advice, we have begun the process

0:49:57 > 0:50:01of conducting further tests and we will continue to consult

0:50:01 > 0:50:04with the expert panel to identify the implications

0:50:04 > 0:50:06of these further tests.

0:50:06 > 0:50:08This picture is from before the fire.

0:50:08 > 0:50:11Flats appear to have had a variety of doors,

0:50:11 > 0:50:13but they were fairly new.

0:50:13 > 0:50:16The doors were replaced in 2012, not as part as the major

0:50:16 > 0:50:19refurbishment of Grenfell Tower.

0:50:19 > 0:50:22After that work there was a safety inspection.

0:50:22 > 0:50:27The investigators will want to know were the doors properly assessed?

0:50:27 > 0:50:30For the survivors, understanding why it happened is vital.

0:50:30 > 0:50:35It's very important for Grenfell survivors and the bereaved families

0:50:35 > 0:50:38to feel that we can honour the memory of those who have died.

0:50:38 > 0:50:43One way we can bring justice is to make sure that regulations

0:50:43 > 0:50:46and progressive policies ensure that people feel safe in their homes

0:50:46 > 0:50:49once again and that means tightening the regulations.

0:50:50 > 0:50:52But those questions will come later.

0:50:52 > 0:50:55For now, this is still the scene of a criminal investigation.

0:50:55 > 0:51:01Tom Symonds, BBC News, at Grenfell Tower.

0:51:02 > 0:51:04You're watching Beyond 100 Days.

0:51:04 > 0:51:07It's famous for its glossy pages of photos and stories

0:51:07 > 0:51:09from around the world, but National Geographic Magazine

0:51:09 > 0:51:12is taking a moment to re-think its past.

0:51:12 > 0:51:17The publication has said its previous coverage was racist

0:51:17 > 0:51:19by showing different groups as exotic or savage

0:51:19 > 0:51:23and reproducing a racial hierarchy.

0:51:23 > 0:51:26Now the latest issue of the 130-year-old publication

0:51:26 > 0:51:29is confronting its troubled history by being entirely dedicated

0:51:29 > 0:51:31to the issue of race.

0:51:31 > 0:51:34With us now to discuss it all is National Geographic's

0:51:34 > 0:51:41editor in chief, Susan Goldberg.

0:51:41 > 0:51:48What made you decide to look not just at the issue of race, it is the

0:51:48 > 0:51:5250th anniversary of the assassination of Martin Luther King,

0:51:52 > 0:51:58but National Geographic's role in that?I thought if we were going to

0:51:58 > 0:52:04speak credibly about race, we should look at her own history because I

0:52:04 > 0:52:08have heard that the pages of our magazine was the first place that

0:52:08 > 0:52:14readers were exposed to community is different to them.So you look back

0:52:14 > 0:52:22and what did you find?Until the time of the civil rights movement in

0:52:22 > 0:52:28the US, we didn't capture people of colour living in the US, did not

0:52:28 > 0:52:33acknowledge their roles beyond being labourers or domestics, then when we

0:52:33 > 0:52:40went overseas we portrayed people as exotic.You gave an example of a

0:52:40 > 0:52:461962 addition for your team went to South Africa, just a little while

0:52:46 > 0:52:51after the massacre in Sharpeville, how did National Geographic cover

0:52:51 > 0:52:58that story?There were really not voices of black South Africans and

0:52:58 > 0:53:03the story did not even mention the Sharpeville shootings, which

0:53:03 > 0:53:10horrified the world. What was encouraging is that in 1977 when we

0:53:10 > 0:53:15went by, that story talks about the opposition leaders, we have pictures

0:53:15 > 0:53:20of Winnie Mandela and we are talking about apartheid and capturing the

0:53:20 > 0:53:25problems, so you can see how much the coverage changed after the civil

0:53:25 > 0:53:32rights movement.Do you think in the way that you represented cultures

0:53:32 > 0:53:37abroad you didn't so much teach people in the US because you didn't

0:53:37 > 0:53:42talk about black culture, did you in some ways through the photographs

0:53:42 > 0:53:50reinforce the prejudice?We asked our historian to help us undertake

0:53:50 > 0:53:56this and he is an expert here, he said he thought our coverage

0:53:56 > 0:54:02reinforced a colonial view of the world. You have National Geographic,

0:54:02 > 0:54:08founded in 1888 at the height of colonialism and for a long time that

0:54:08 > 0:54:13was the view that was reinforced. There is much of our history we are

0:54:13 > 0:54:19proud of, how we brought people into the broader world, but we didn't do

0:54:19 > 0:54:24everything right.How conscious are you now of this issue of unintended

0:54:24 > 0:54:32pious?We tried to make sure we are covering a diverse world with a

0:54:32 > 0:54:37diverse group of photographers and writers, so people go into

0:54:37 > 0:54:45situations where they will not fall into easy cliches, so we are more

0:54:45 > 0:54:48able to provide context and perspective. We are also giving

0:54:48 > 0:54:52people in their communities cameras so they can document their own

0:54:52 > 0:54:58lives, which we would never have done 15 years ago.Thank you for

0:54:58 > 0:55:00coming in, it's a great bit of research.

0:55:00 > 0:55:04Do you like fish and chips?

0:55:04 > 0:55:07Yes, of course.

0:55:07 > 0:55:09I used to make fish and chips - in another life.

0:55:09 > 0:55:10It was my Saturday job.

0:55:10 > 0:55:13But here's the thing, all the fish we sold on a Saturday

0:55:13 > 0:55:15afternoon was haddock and cod.

0:55:15 > 0:55:17But now we are being encouraged to eat other fish.

0:55:17 > 0:55:18Brexit fish.

0:55:18 > 0:55:21Fish from our own local waters, partly to help the British

0:55:21 > 0:55:24fishing industry but largely because it is much more sustainable.

0:55:24 > 0:55:32You are seriously going to call them Brexit feis? I'm going to give you

0:55:32 > 0:55:33the numbers.

0:55:33 > 0:55:35Britain exports 75% of the fish it catches and imports

0:55:35 > 0:55:3670% of its consumption.

0:55:36 > 0:55:43That's because the Brits don't like the fish from their own waters.

0:55:43 > 0:55:50Take that one, Christian! We don't like our own feis.You will know why

0:55:50 > 0:55:52in the second.

0:55:52 > 0:55:58So let me show you the top three fish the Marine Conservation Society

0:55:58 > 0:55:59wants us to start eating.

0:55:59 > 0:56:08No real painting. Any man who fished as a boy used to catch these. When I

0:56:08 > 0:56:13caught one of these, I would stick it in the frying pan and it tasted

0:56:13 > 0:56:18pretty good but if you put that in the deep fat fryer and have it with

0:56:18 > 0:56:23fish and chips, it will be to bone and skin me.I wouldn't buy it even

0:56:23 > 0:56:32from you.This is hate, rather more good looking. And herrings, we do