Caroline Lucas

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:00:13. > :00:21.The Caroline Lucas. The same sort of question, are you thinking in the

:00:22. > :00:25.Green Party about security issues after Manchester? I think we are

:00:26. > :00:32.always considering and reconsidering in the light of evidence, and one of

:00:33. > :00:36.the concerns I was going to say was people were reporting concerns about

:00:37. > :00:39.Salman Abedi way before the Manchester atrocity, so one of the

:00:40. > :00:43.questions is why weren't resources put into following that up?

:00:44. > :00:50.Certainly there are questions that need to be answered. I also think it

:00:51. > :00:54.is clear the lame for what happened in Manchester is solely with the

:00:55. > :00:58.perpetrator himself, it was an appalling atrocity, it happens in a

:00:59. > :01:03.context and it is right for us to consider all aspects of the context

:01:04. > :01:09.through from levels of policing to what Jeremy Corbyn said this week.

:01:10. > :01:13.You are saying in your manifesto the Internet should be free of stationed

:01:14. > :01:20.corporate service with our rights and freedoms protected. In these

:01:21. > :01:24.circumstances and that jihadist groups use encrypted messaging on

:01:25. > :01:28.the Internet and use the Internet to promote their hate for messages. You

:01:29. > :01:34.think this is a sensible policy? We oppose the mass industrial scale of

:01:35. > :01:38.surveillance and e-mails. There are plenty of people who would you see

:01:39. > :01:41.as being on the side of the argument that are wanting to make sure we

:01:42. > :01:44.crack down on this as hard as possible who would say the biggest

:01:45. > :01:49.you make the haystack you are looking for the new law, the harder

:01:50. > :01:52.it is to find it. Extra surveillance does not work. It is targeted

:01:53. > :01:57.surveillance that makes the difference. We are in favour of

:01:58. > :02:02.that. It is hard to understand. You say you do not want the police to

:02:03. > :02:08.have extra powers or not to have extra powers of surveillance? We are

:02:09. > :02:13.on the grounds that it was suggested that it would not be effective. It

:02:14. > :02:18.was not on an only Civil Liberties line, it was about how effective is

:02:19. > :02:21.it if you are increasing the number of people you are putting under

:02:22. > :02:28.surveillance, if you are massed crawling? People like myself are on

:02:29. > :02:36.the domestic extremist list, people peaceful environmentalists. How does

:02:37. > :02:41.that help by looking at people like me than people who are posing a

:02:42. > :02:50.serious risk? To think and when encryption is wrong? No. So you

:02:51. > :02:53.would like to see this end to end encryption? It is very

:02:54. > :03:03.controversial. You would like to see it ended? I want to take advice on

:03:04. > :03:10.what is needed to keep us say. One thing we know is Abedi's friends and

:03:11. > :03:16.family contacted the state, did what they had to do. But you have called

:03:17. > :03:21.Prevent this attempts to involve the community mark which has worked in a

:03:22. > :03:24.way. Why was it xenophobic? Because many in the Muslim community leave

:03:25. > :03:29.it has been an attack on their group in particular. We want a mechanism

:03:30. > :03:32.where people can come to the state with concerns, but when it is

:03:33. > :03:37.perceived by the Muslim community as being a toxic, Big Brother brand. We

:03:38. > :03:42.need to look at it again. I think that is what the Merit Manchester is

:03:43. > :03:48.saying, and what others have said. We need to see it as something that

:03:49. > :03:53.is broadening and inclusive and from the bottom-up, not from Mike Big

:03:54. > :03:57.Brother. This is knee jerk liberalism and one of the very few

:03:58. > :04:04.Muslim MPs in the last few years service. By and large, the Muslim

:04:05. > :04:10.community has no real problem with Prevent. What we see is small groups

:04:11. > :04:13.of activists who condemn Prevent or provide no alternative. They are

:04:14. > :04:17.talking about people like you. My situation on this is through

:04:18. > :04:22.speaking to my own constituency and speaking to elsewhere. It is looking

:04:23. > :04:25.at what is the most effective way of keeping people safe, and when you

:04:26. > :04:30.have a programme that has lost credibility in vast areas of Muslim

:04:31. > :04:38.society. It is not means scrapping it. Making sure we have a mechanism

:04:39. > :04:42.so that we can make sure we do our very best to keep people safe. In

:04:43. > :04:48.other circumstances, you will be talking about many other things,

:04:49. > :04:51.wind farms, solar energy. And jobs! But today, the will understand that

:04:52. > :05:03.is all we have time for. Thank you very much indeed.

:05:04. > :05:15.He was an extraordinarily divisive character. Mr Percival on being shot

:05:16. > :05:25.staggered backwards and said oh, murder, murder. You had this shock

:05:26. > :05:31.wave if #colourcyan reverberating through the building. The

:05:32. > :05:37.assassination did start off a panic in Westminster Abbey on.