:00:13. > :00:20.The election campaign was put on hold following the terrorist attack
:00:21. > :00:23.in Manchester on Monday, but now campaigning has resumed, it is
:00:24. > :00:28.hardly surprisingly security is now a primary concern. The Labour Party
:00:29. > :00:32.has said it would recruit more intelligence officers and thousands
:00:33. > :00:38.more pulleys. Jeremy Corbyn speaking on ITV News said previous cuts have
:00:39. > :00:44.undermined security. It seems that the courts in police numbers have
:00:45. > :00:48.led to some very dangerous situations emerging. It is also a
:00:49. > :00:53.question of a community response as well. So that where an imam for
:00:54. > :00:56.example alerts the police that he is concerned about somebody, I would
:00:57. > :01:01.hope they would act. And I hope they would have the resources to act as
:01:02. > :01:10.well. Joining me from Leeds is the Shadow Justice Secretary. Welcome.
:01:11. > :01:13.How are you? Very well. You have announced more security and
:01:14. > :01:17.intelligence agency staff. That is in line with what the Government has
:01:18. > :01:21.already announced, and the Shadow Home Secretary has said he will not
:01:22. > :01:27.spend more money. It does not amount to much, does it? That is just one
:01:28. > :01:32.of the parts of our pledge card on the safer communities. Also, there
:01:33. > :01:36.are 10,000 extra police because the Conservative torment has quit the
:01:37. > :01:42.police by 20,000, and 10,000 extra police would mean extra policemen in
:01:43. > :01:48.each neighbourhood. Also 3000 extra police and officers because the
:01:49. > :01:53.prison staff have been cut by 6000. That is the third since 2010, was by
:01:54. > :01:59.the Government, not helping the community stay safe. We're pledging
:02:00. > :02:03.more firefighters. Also 1000 extra security staff, but also 500 extra
:02:04. > :02:12.border guards as well because there have been 13 instances, 13 areas
:02:13. > :02:17.identified a... And that is the list of numbers you have given, but if we
:02:18. > :02:21.concentrate on security, because Jeremy Corbyn said there would be
:02:22. > :02:25.more police on the street under a Labour Government, and if they need
:02:26. > :02:30.more resources to keep track of those that murder and maim, they
:02:31. > :02:34.should get them. So why are giving them that? We are committing to
:02:35. > :02:38.extra... If you were going to do something over and above that, you
:02:39. > :02:45.are not doing so. The Government has not yet delivered on that promise.
:02:46. > :02:51.We will deliver on that promise. But with no more money? What Jeremy has
:02:52. > :02:56.said is you cannot do security on the cheap. Austerity has to stop at
:02:57. > :02:59.the police station door, it has to stop at the hospital door as well.
:03:00. > :03:10.But we will be giving resources required to keep communities safe.
:03:11. > :03:14.And more powers? The police need to be empowered, but when you talk to
:03:15. > :03:19.what the Police Federation are saying, they have spoke a long time
:03:20. > :03:25.about the danger caused by police courts. I'm talking not only about
:03:26. > :03:30.terrorism, not about acts of extreme violence, but also anything from
:03:31. > :03:35.anti-social behaviour to burglary to violent crime. You said more powers.
:03:36. > :03:42.What sort of powers are you thinking of giving the security services? We
:03:43. > :03:47.need to listen to the security services to intelligence community,
:03:48. > :03:52.and to the Armed Forces and the Police Federation and to the police
:03:53. > :03:58.about how they think our communities can be made safer. One thing is
:03:59. > :04:02.clear. Cutting the number of police by 20,000 makes communities less
:04:03. > :04:09.safe, not more safe. You said you are going to listen to the security
:04:10. > :04:13.services. Can they be reassured and guaranteed that Jeremy Corbyn will
:04:14. > :04:16.listen to the security services and the police in terms of more powers,
:04:17. > :04:22.if that is what they want. Because Jeremy Corbyn has voted against
:04:23. > :04:28.measures to tackle home-grown and international terrorism. Jeremy
:04:29. > :04:35.Corbyn's speech on safer communities earlier this week made clear he is
:04:36. > :04:45.listening to the security services. So he would grant those new powers?
:04:46. > :04:49., the terrorism act in 2006, and in 2014, the data retention and
:04:50. > :04:57.investigatory Powers act. So what new powers will be be happy to
:04:58. > :05:02.enact? Jammy cabin, -- Jeremy Corbyn and many other MPs voted against
:05:03. > :05:07.legislation, they thought it would be ill-advised or
:05:08. > :05:12.counter-productive. It is a complex situation. What we do not want to do
:05:13. > :05:17.is introduce hastily prepared laws with one eye to the newspaper
:05:18. > :05:23.headline which could act as recruiting sergeants for terrorism.
:05:24. > :05:30.What Jeremy Corbyn has said is either listening to the security
:05:31. > :05:36.area, this has also been said by the ex-head of the MI5 and her
:05:37. > :05:40.predecessor as well as President Obama. Can we look at the powers you
:05:41. > :05:46.might want to introduce? You say you will give the police and security
:05:47. > :05:51.sorrows the powers they need. If we look at some of the legislation that
:05:52. > :05:55.Jeremy Corbyn and others voted against in 2000, for example, you
:05:56. > :05:58.gave the Secretary of State to prescribe terrorist organisations
:05:59. > :06:02.and illegal to finance terrorist organisations. Disease still think
:06:03. > :06:08.that would be a bad idea, you would not vote in favour of those sorts of
:06:09. > :06:14.measures? Jeremy Corbyn along with Theresa a... I'm interested in what
:06:15. > :06:19.Jeremy Corbyn is going to do when he says going to be smarter about
:06:20. > :06:24.fighting terrorism. If he's not prepared to vote in favour of those
:06:25. > :06:30.sorts of measures all others are trying to impose restrictions on
:06:31. > :06:34.suspects, people want to know, what is the going to do? It is complex.
:06:35. > :06:41.With this legislation, the devil is often in the detail. If it was
:06:42. > :06:44.simple in that you could stop terrorism through voting, then
:06:45. > :06:48.terrorism would have been stopped a long time ago. Sadly there are no
:06:49. > :06:52.easy answers, and that is not as recognised by Jeremy Corbyn, it is
:06:53. > :07:00.recognised by Barack Obama, Stella Remington, head of the MFI. Other
:07:01. > :07:05.Conservative MPs. What was made clear in Jeremy Corbyn's speech is
:07:06. > :07:10.that we have got to be tough on terrorism, tough on the unforgivable
:07:11. > :07:15.acts of murder, but also on the causes. But the sad truth is there
:07:16. > :07:19.are no easy answers. If there were, the problem would have been solved a
:07:20. > :07:23.long time ago. I think voters might want to ask the question that if you
:07:24. > :07:26.want to employ more security and intelligence, that their leader is
:07:27. > :07:30.still in comfortable with giving them the powers they need to do,
:07:31. > :07:33.because it is complicated legislation, they want to know how
:07:34. > :07:38.you will do it. I will give you an example. At another stop the war
:07:39. > :07:45.rally in 2014, Jeremy Corbyn said that the murder by ices of a
:07:46. > :07:52.correspondence that it was the price of jingoism, so according to Jeremy
:07:53. > :08:02.Copping, the beheading of a charity worker is an British legislation.
:08:03. > :08:08.What Jeremy Corbyn also made clear is that the responsibility for acts
:08:09. > :08:15.of terrorism and murder lies with the murderer, and something that is
:08:16. > :08:17.really disappointing is the Prime Minister at an international
:08:18. > :08:26.conference the other day said that in Jeremy Corbyn's speech on this
:08:27. > :08:31.issue that he was to blame for the heinous, unforgivable murder. She
:08:32. > :08:34.knows she did not say that. She knows the's whether she believes him
:08:35. > :08:41.are not, she knows he did not say that, which was widely accepted by
:08:42. > :08:45.his opponents. She sat down with her opponents early in idea, but I know
:08:46. > :08:51.she did not say that, but if we say she did, hey, we might win symbols.
:08:52. > :08:55.I think that is shameful. I think that shows the PM cannot be trusted.
:08:56. > :08:56.They should transcend party politics. We need to pull together
:08:57. > :09:29.on these issues. The past of Westminster, with its
:09:30. > :09:35.many stone figures, is the ultimate Gothic revival building. It was
:09:36. > :09:38.August it Puget, a genius in Gothic design, who signed this feast of
:09:39. > :09:46.stonework paraphernalia we see today. There are gargoyles, Angels,
:09:47. > :09:51.and Lions in all sorts of hideous creature is watching you from every
:09:52. > :09:55.corner. Lions appear frequently throughout the palace, a symbol of
:09:56. > :10:00.pride with links to royalty and honour. Dogs convey a symbol of
:10:01. > :10:01.faithfulness and intelligence, and the eagle is