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Lets see what happens in the next few hours. Let's join Huw Edwards

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for our special programme. It is the first budget for Philip

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Hammond, as the government takes and welcome to our live coverage

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of The Budget. It's Philip Hammond's

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first as Chancellor and it's also likely

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to be his only Spring Budget because after today the Budget

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will move to the Autumn. And it's the last Budget

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before the Government triggers Article 50

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and starts the formal process of leaving the EU,

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possibly as early as next week. A few minutes ago the Chancellor

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emerged, Red Box in hand, from his official residence,

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Number 11 Downing Street, alongside him the Treasury ministerial team,

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including his number 2, David Gauke, who we'll be speaking

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to a little later on. The red box was made for David

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Osborne in 2011. The Chancellor posing for the traditional photo for

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the ranks of the photographs in Downing Street on Budget Day and

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later he will be making to the House of Commons and he is expected to get

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to the Despatch Box in around an hour's time because we have a little

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bit of talking to do and then we'll have Prime Minister's Questions, as

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usual on a Wednesday and then the Chancellor will get to his feet.

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Stay with us as we'll have all the Budget detail and reaction.

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I'm outside Parliament where the focus recently has been on Britain's

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future outside the EU I will be getting reactions from politicians

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across the political spectrum. I'm in Hull the UK City of Culture for

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2017 and I'll be getting reaction from businesses, large and small to

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the Chancellor's statement. What does the Budget mean to you and your

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family's finances? I will respond to your e-mails, text and tweets about

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the measures announced today. Plenty of voices, not just from Westminster

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but beyond Westminster which is crucial on a day like today.

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To help me make sense of it all, we're joined by our political

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editor, Laura Kuenssberg, our economics editor, Kamal Ahmed,

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They'll all be providing plenty of thoughts on social

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media as things happen, if you want to join

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the twitter conversation, use the hashtag #Budget2017.

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Use the hashtag and the comments can go into the same area and you can

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e-mail us as well: We'll try and put some

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of your tweets and emails to our experts and guests

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during the programme. So it's Chancellor,

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Philip Hammond's, big day and the Treasury released these

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images of Mr Hammond hard at work last night, putting

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the finishing touches to his speech before it's

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locked up in the Red Box. As expected, he's facing plenty

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of demands from the Opposition to increase spending

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in quite a few ares - He's had increased tax

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receipts recently. So I'm not asking him to go out

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on a huge spending spree. I'm asking him to tackle

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the crisis that's here now. It's all well and good saying you're

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saving money for later There is a crisis in our NHS

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at the moment, there's a He's got top understand

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what people are going through. John McDonnell there. He will talk

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to us again later. He will probably join us in the studio to give his

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response. Laura, can I turn to you. The content of any Budget is

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interesting. Any Budget is important but in such a turbulent and

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uncertain political time, really the context is - we have never seen

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anything like it. Absolutely not. When Philip Hammond steps out of the

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shiny black door of Number 11 this morning what has been on his smind

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that the country is stepping into an uncertain future, probably the most

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uncertain pattern any Chancellor has had to deal with for a very, very

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long time. I think today, therefore, we won't hear a very palatable

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message from him, really. There are going to be spending cuts and we

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expect some tax rises, too. Sure, the picture is likely to look a bit

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better than it did since the Autumn Statement, the last big event from

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the Chancellor but he is not prone to what he calls "lurches of

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sentiment", kind of careering from one thing to another, saying

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everything is fine and therefore I can splash the cash, that's not what

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we are going to see. There's a trio of tasks he has to achieve to keep

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his his and Theresa May's agenda. First, showing he is committed to

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balancing the books in a long term albeit at a slower rate than had

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been predicted. Second of all, always important on a Budget day,

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try to do that without any big political blunder. That's always at

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the back of every Chancellor's mind. Think last year and George Osborne

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made a big mistake and I think talking about solving some long-term

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problems that the country faces. Whether that's social care, we

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expect an announcement of a long-term review and additional cash

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now. But also things the Treasury are interested in, how do we make

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the tax system work better, for example, how do we confront the

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changes in technology? He has to deal with short-term pressures but

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he will provide clues to a long-term vision at a time which is really

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uncertain. . I think it is fair to say some of his colleagues didn't

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like the fact he used a phrase like "a roller coaster ride ahead of us",

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he used that last year. Are we likely to get that signal in those

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terms? I think the tone will certainly be, shall we say, very,

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very careful. Philip Hammond is not prone to behave in a way some of his

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Cabinet colleagues do, with the hints of a buck inneering future,

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Brexit Britain out, promising a land of milk and hobby. He is a caution

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politician in anyway case but it is no secret that the Treasury is at

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the concerned end of the spectrum around Whitehall at the potential

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impact of us leaving the European Union. That is why, rather than

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using a little bit of the headroom that he's got stored up, he's

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basically going to keep that back in case there are big bumps in the road

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as we head towards leaving the European Union. Remember, it's not

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the case that he suddenly has tens of billions sitting around in a bank

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account. It's that the country is predicted to be borrowing less.

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Therefore, there has been pressure on him to say - flash the cash now,

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get on with it, please a few more people but he's not going to do

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that, I don't think. That leads me to Kamal. That's the context. When

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he gets to the despatch box, today, what is the economic landscape we

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should be thinking of? Absolutely. I think the two big things to always

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look at, as Laura says, over the Budget, are borrowing and growth.

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Those are the two big issues. So so let's look back first of all on the

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borrowing numbers. If we go back to the November and the predictions in

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the Autumn Statement, this was the time of what you might describe as

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"peak bloom." Most economic forecasters thought at this stage

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that the economy could be seeing real headwinds because of the

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uncertainty around Brexit. that the economy could be seeing

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real headwinds because of the uncertainty around Brexit. The

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Office for Budget Responsibility, the Government's official economic

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watchdog, predicted, last November, that this would be what our

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borrowing looked like over the next five years. So 2016-17, you can

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seeiour yoking at around ?68 billion a year, falling every year, down to

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about ?20 billion in 2020-21, but, not hitting that idea of balancing

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the books until sometime after that date, into the next Parliament.

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Despite it being, as Laura says, a key Government pledge.

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Since then the economic news is cheerier and things are looking

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better and here are the predictions for what borrowing may look like,

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given the slightly higher tax receipts which means the Government

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has a little more headroom on borrowing, this are numbers from the

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Resolution Foundation. They suggest by 2021, the Government may

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understood its its target by about ?29 billion. So, just as I say, it

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is not money in a bank account that he can take out and stick into the

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NHS or whatever but it means slightedly less borrowing.

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he can take out and stick into the NHS or whatever but it

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slightedly less borrowing. So that's borrow, you mentioned

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growth as well. Tell us about that? Again, if we go back to what was

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predicted last November, the Office for Budget Responsibility said

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growth for this year would be a very cautious and pretty miserable,

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frankly, 1.4%. But since then we have had, again this better economic

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news. The consumer has been more resilient and kept spending. The

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Bank of England, you, a couple of months ago suggested, or a month

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ago, suggested the growth this year would be 2%. A much more robust

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figure and I'm sure today the OBR will upgrade that growth forecast,

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better news for Philip Hammond as he stands up to deliver the Budget but

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as important is what will happen after that? Is this pain cancelled

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or delayed? I think the OBR will suggest it is pain delayed possibly

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until next year, possibly, 2018. It originally estimated that in 2018

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growth would be around 1.7%. Lower than the Bank of England's growth

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forecast for this year. And the Bath has said in growth for 2018, it

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would blow in growth compared to this year. So it is likely that in

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growth - these are the two economic forecasters, the Bank of England and

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OBR, will say there is likely to be a slowing in growth in 2018, of

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course when we will be in the teeth of the Brexit negotiations. #7

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forecasters, the Bank of England and OBR, will

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course when we will be in the teeth of the Brexit negotiations. #7 I'm

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wondering, given the traditional focus on Budget Day is to do with

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tax measures and other benefits, what is he likely to do there? Well,

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I think what is easy to forget on Budget Day, we have had previous

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Budgets and there are changes coming down the road which will be

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challenging for some of the groups that the Government says it wants to

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help, the just about managing, an economy that works for everyone.

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Let's look at what the Government has already announced in terms of

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what might be described as tax give-aways, to help some of the

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groups it wants to help. The tax-free personal allowance is going

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up to ?11,500. We'll probably see some more moves on that. That can be

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seen as a tax cut particularly for those on higher numbers. And they've

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raised the threshold to ?45,000 and it maybe easier for people to save

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what little money they have. But on the other side there is some of the

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pain that we mustn't forget. This is still a situation where the

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Government is constraining spending, it is not adding to spending. And if

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we look at some of the welfare changes already in place, we mustn't

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forget there is already the cut in working-age benefit which is still

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going through the system. The public sector pay freeze is still there at

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1%, despite inflation going up. What is called the Employment Support

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Allowance, an allowance for people who are ill or disabled going back

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into work. That is being cut back as well. As are child tax credits. So I

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think one of the big messages from the Chancellor today, is that, yes,

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things are looking a little better, possibly only in the short-term but

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still that drive towards balancing the books via austerity, is still

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very much front and central of the Government project. Plenty for us to

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think about. Simon you have been busy this week in Geneva, I'm

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wondering what is the business focus for you today? Businesses have been

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on a journey with this Government. When Theresa May arrived she came

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out of the traps early warning businesses - you better create a

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fair economy that works for everyone, if you don't I will step N

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it scared the horses a bit. -- step in. But the Chancellor needs

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business. The economy is made up of a few things, consumer spending, who

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have been keeping the economy afloat single handedly, and of Government

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spending which we know is going to be cut and it is business spending.

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He is going to want to try to stimulate that. I expect this Budget

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to dove tail in the with industrial strategy we heard earlier in the

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year to give people incentives to spend money, to take on new workers,

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train them, invest in new plants. For smaller businesses, it is all

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about business rates. Now three-quart earnings, two-thirds of

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business also see their rates stay the same or fall for some in certain

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areas of country, particularly snout east they face sharp prize --

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particularly in the south-east. The Federation of Small Businesses say

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there are rises of up to 300%. I expect to see a bit of money top

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soften the edges of that. But it'll only soften the edges. These letters

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have been written, calculated they are on their way out the door from

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the local authorities. There will not be the scope a massive redrawing

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of the business rates. Small businesses under the cosh with the

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living wage. And if we do get this big change in self-employment that.

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Will be big. It'll be interesting to see whether we get the changes today

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or whether he nods to a future consultation. Many self-employed

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people pay less national insurance for people who are self-employed.

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Troublesome if he does that, some may remember the 2015 Tory manifesto

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pledge, not to raise, VAT, income tax and national insurance. But as

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Simon is hinting, there is appetite in the Treasury for a whole sale

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review of how this whole system works, which includes things like

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big online retailers getting off relatively scot-free compared to

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more traditional retailers in terms of taxation in the high street. The

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number from the OBR last fr last year, suggested the Government could

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be losing about ?3.5 billion a year in taxes because of the people's

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move on to self-employment and the gig economy, it is undermining the

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tax base where Philip Hammond has a real problem.

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Lead's pause for a second because we are here on Budget day and this is

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the focus our Westminster but we are getting reports that four people

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have been injured in a stabbing attack in the West Midlands. Police

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are telling of this. West Midlands Ambulance Service, I am being told,

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saying they are at the scene of a serious incident in the Maryhill

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area of Wolverhampton. -- Merry Hill area. It is being reported four

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people being injured after a stabbing in the West Midlands and we

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will keep you in touch with everything that is going on with

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that as it develops on the BBC News Channel and also developments on the

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BBC News Channel. We are focusing on Budget day and as Philip Hammond has

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already made his way to the House of Commons to get ready for the speech,

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we will have prime ministers questions in just under 15 minutes.

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Lots of reaction throughout the day and now we join Jane Parliament.

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But to Parliament and in a moment I will look at what Philip Hammond

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might have in store with Lord Lamont and Chris Leslie but as you have

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been reflecting on everything we're going to hear against 30 PM -- from

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4:30pm is against the backdrop of the referendum, Britain's decision

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to leave the EU. Before I talk to my guess, let's remind ourselves how

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the economy has led since that vote. The British people have spoken

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and the answer is - we're out. The Bank of England will not

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hesitate to take additional measures, as required,

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as markets adjust. If you're just managing,

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I want to address you directly. I've been here 25 years

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and I hope it's going to be We will pursue a bold and ambitious

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free trade agreement The industrial strategy that

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we've launched today sets I think Brexit is going

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to be a wonderful thing. So that is where we are today, the

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backdrop to what we will hear this lunchtime. Let's discuss Philip

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Hammond's options. Joining me now is the former

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Conservative Chancellor, Lord Lamont, and the former

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Shadow Treasury Minister, Welcome to both of you. The tone of

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this is going to be so interesting, Lord Lamont. We think things are a

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little more rosy economically but because of Brexit, he's got to be

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very cautious, hasn't it? I think that's right. I think it is

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important he emphasises the opportunities as well as the

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challenges but I think there are two things it has to do because of

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Brexit. One is to keep a little bit back. Some people are saying tax

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revenues are better but I think actually, he would be very wise to

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keep a bit back just in case there are schools in financial markets

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later. Secondly, in this Budget and in every other one that he does, the

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emphasis has to be on making Britain competitive. This is going to be a

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challenge for Britain outside the EU and we have do have everything

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competitive, our costs, our tax rates, our degree of regulation, all

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that. Those are the two themes, being competitive and actually

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holding something in reserve. But you say that is the case for every

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Budget but we are in uncharted territory. This is so different

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because by definition, no one really knows what is coming down the track.

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That's why I've said what I did! Chris Leslie, your thoughts on the

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balance he has to strike between a degree of optimism, as Lord Lamont

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says, but actually being cautious. Everyone is using that word this

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morning. When you hear Lord Lamont saying it could be a challenge, for

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that read there is a Harry Kane potentially on the horizon -- there

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is a hurricane potentially on the horizon for the UK economy. Brexit

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will dominate, lots of people talk about taxes here or there, spending

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here or there but that storm, I personally think the government is

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actively heading towards it because of its decision not to try to

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salvage single market membership, is already affecting consumers because

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sterling has fallen quite considerably, and inflation is

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starting to head upwards and we're already seeing consumer spending

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power begin to go on the wane. Retail sales down very much in the

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last months. So where is the engine of the economy going to come from as

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we head into this storm? For me, that is a serious problem. Where is

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the engine? First of all, I don't think it is inevitable there will be

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a storm or a hurricane coming down. Provided we can get, for most of the

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UK economy, tariff free access and a free trade deal, it will be just as

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good as the single market. You know, I think all of this myth about the

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single market, that it is some kind of Chinese garden with a large wall

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around it and we have do have a key to sell things in it, you know, the

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top three partners, trading wise, of the EU have no special trade

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arrangements with the EU. The idea we couldn't trade with them without

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a trade agreement is an illusion, it's completely wrong. But I think

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there is a very good chance of having a trade agreement and that is

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what the government... It's just nonsense to harp on about membership

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of the single market, which during the referendum, people advocating

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for Gabi Mayne said it would not make any sense if we were outside

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the EU to be part of it. On the other point you raised about the

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economy, so far, the economy has been remarkably resilient.

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Inflation, as Chris has said, has risen a bit but it is rising even

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higher in Germany than it is here. It is not high by historical

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standards. I don't think it is inevitable... Nothing is inevitable,

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if the government does the right thing and tries to get, well, we had

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better get a free trade agreement with Europe because without that, it

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is not just the service sector which will suffer, it will be goods and

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services, all of those companies, like Nissan, who have 5 million

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parts per day, they have to get from this warehouse of the EU, they only

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keep half a day's infantry on site. If you have friction in those goods

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and services, that trade, we are going to have a real problem for our

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business model in the UK, and so, we have do, I think, get the free trade

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agreement but if we don't, not only will we have big tariffs and

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potentially for components coming in, but also want the goods we want

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to sell worldwide. So our exports potentially will be inhibited and so

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I worry very much about where the living standards and the consumer

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spending power is going to come from when things get more expensive and I

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worry about the storm on the horizon with the trade issue, which could be

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really severely impaired. Gentlemen, we have to leave it there. We will

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find out in the next few hours. Chris Leslie and Lord Lamont, thank

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you for being with us and more reaction when we have heard from

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Philip Hammond outside Parliament. For now, back to you.

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Thanks to you and your guests. Reaction beyond Westminster as well.

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We'll be making several visits to Hull today,

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where Jo Coburn is with a range of guests to talk about the main

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Yes, I'm at a busy distribution centre which employs about 850

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people in Hull. It is a family firm, has been in the family for four

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generations and is a success story in Hull but that does not mask the

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fact it still has some of the most deprived districts in the whole

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country. A man who is hoping to reverse that is the guy in charge of

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the city of culture in Hull, Martin Greene, the director. What do you

:24:44.:24:47.

want the Chancellor to do for you? I think we are proving more than ever

:24:48.:24:51.

that cultural investment in cities reaps investment and economic

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impact. To continue that process that we have seen, particularly in

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the Northern Powerhouse in the last few years, of seeing cultural

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investment is good investment for businesses and the Digital economy

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would be a good thing. The fight Hull voted to leave the EU, how will

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that impact what you are trying to do as the director of City Of

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Culture? I don't think it impacts on what we do here. With the European

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eye on it, you would like to see the money that currently comes into the

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arts replaced but we have seen visitors going to America are going

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down because they are not sure if they want to be there. It would be

:25:32.:25:34.

more difficult for UK visitors to go to Europe so we will probably see a

:25:35.:25:38.

rise in tourism at least which again, cultural investment into

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cities will attract visitors which brings business in and money in.

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Martin Green, thank you very much. Let's get a feel for local

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businesses in Hull want to hear from the Chancellor. He said there are

:25:52.:25:54.

going be no big surprises and no gimmicks in the Budget. Anita is

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from Pays Communications. What is your biggest concern? What I would

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like to see is fewer increases in corporation tax. We know it is

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planning to reduce corporation tax by 2020 but it would be nice if they

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could introduce something special for small businesses, some kind of

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relief up to a certain threshold of profit would be very welcome. What

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about you? Tell us about your business. We supply military games

:26:27.:26:30.

and events internationally, so different to the average small

:26:31.:26:34.

business. Where do you reach? You have some clients here. We have some

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local clients but most of them are outside the UK Borders and we do a

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lot of work in Australia and America is massive at the moment. In terms

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of Brexit for you, will it have any impact on the business? It impacts

:26:50.:26:52.

our imports because they have gone up in price from Europe, so things

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like paper and toner. In terms of the export market, because we don't

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translate anything into French, Dutch and German yet, it has not

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impacted the export market into Europe at all. What impact will the

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City of Culture have an hole? We already seeing a real positive

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benefit around the city, people coming to the city for the first

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time and they are impressed and they say we will come back. We are two

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and a half months in and so far, so good. Business rates, one of the

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issues that has been discussed and no doubt will be talked about by the

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Chancellor is the business rates re-evaluation. Has it affected you?

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Fortunately not because we are eligible for small business rate

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relief but we were looking at expanding the office premises and

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the next-door office is free but if we moved into it we would fall into

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the small business rate and we can't afford it at all. In terms of

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developing skills, how important is that if you are looking at the

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future? Apprenticeships and entrepreneurs. Extremely important.

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This region, like many in the UK, struggles to attract and retain

:27:54.:27:57.

talent. If we can grow our talent and retain it in the region, and

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there are a lot of initiatives with partners across the region to help

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do that. Thank you for joining us. You will be watching the statement

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with the rest of us, of course. Although Philip Hammond, Spreadsheet

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Phil, as they call him, has that there are not going to be any bigger

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voice, we know or suspect there will be an injection of cash into things

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like social care and we've talked about business rates. But we will

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also find out how he plans to pay for some of the things. Let's find

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out some more with personal finance expert Ruth Alexander.

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Yes, we are expecting to see some tax rises from the Chancellor. It is

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rumoured national insurance contributions for self-employed

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people could go up. At the moment, they pay about 9% on earnings of

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just over ?8,000. That compares to employed people who pay 12%. We

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could possibly see, there is speculation we will see a 3% rise on

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national insurance contributions for the self-employed. Also, we could

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see alcohol and tobacco duties going up. Maybe there will be a new tax on

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e-cigarettes. If you have any questions about what you do in the

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Budget, you can contact us in lots of ways, text 61124, e-mail

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[email protected] or tweet. Back to London.

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Thanks to the team in Hull because we will be back there later to get

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lots of reaction to the speech itself.

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You can also take advantage of the BBC's range

:29:29.:29:30.

of expert analysis, and all the latest Budget

:29:31.:29:32.

news on the BBC website - bbc.co.uk/budget.

:29:33.:29:35.

And later today, there will be a calculator on the site

:29:36.:29:38.

where you can work out the impact on your household's finances.

:29:39.:29:42.

It's heading towards midday here at Westminster on Budget Day.

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A magnificent sight, on the banks of the Thames, Parliament on Budget

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day. Very soon, we'll be

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in the House of Commons for Prime Minister's Questions,

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with the Chancellor's Let's take a peek inside the

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chamber. We have a session of departmental questions and I'm

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delighted to sell you today that it is questions to the Secretary of

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State for Wales. It doesn't get better than that as far as I'm

:30:20.:30:23.

concerned! And I hope the speaker is very donors with his time allocation

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-- generous with his time occasion. The Secretary of State for Wales

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just taking questions there before the speaker calls for the Prime

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Minister to take questions. Of course, the Chancellor is in place

:30:36.:30:39.

already, ready for the Budget statement. We will keep a close eye

:30:40.:30:41.

on the house. Is Laura, the Prime Minister has

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already said from scam number Ten what she expects the themes to be?

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Yes, she told the Cabinet this morning there would be "A strongp

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hand on fiscal tiller." But it would also "Put the wheels in motion for

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future growth and prosperity." The mixed metaphors are not mine. It

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shows they are trying to balance the books but equip the economy for a

:31:21.:31:23.

future outside the European Union, make it more dynamic and

:31:24.:31:27.

competitive. In the Autumn Statement we saw investment in infrastructure,

:31:28.:31:31.

roads, rails, if you like you have had the bricks and mortar in the

:31:32.:31:34.

autumn, today we might see the human capital. Skills, schools, how we

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actually look like an economy that's really gunning along, not in

:31:39.:31:43.

2016-17, 18, but much further ahead. Let's join the Prime Minister for

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question time. Thank you, Mr Speaker, I'm sure

:31:45.:31:52.

members across the whole House will wish to join me in marking

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International Women's Day as we celebrate the social, economic,

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cultural and political achievements of women, both here and around the

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world. But we also redouble our efforts to tackle the problems that

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women all toop often still face. Mr Speaker, this morning, I had

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meetings with ministerial colleagues and others N addition to my duties

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in this House, I shall have further such meetings later today. -- in

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addition. Can I join the Prime Minister in celebrating

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International Women's Day. Since 2010, Conservatives in Government

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have a proud record of protecting and supporting both those at risk

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and the victims of domestic violence and abuse. I saw this myself when I

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joined my local police and I would like to thank them for the difficult

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job they do but even as far as too many women are still at risk and are

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still suffering. What more account Prime Minister do to tackle this

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abhorrent crime? My honourable friend raises a very serious issue,

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one in which I have taken a particular personal interest and I

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attach very great importance to this issue. Tackling domestic violence

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and abuse is a key priority for the Government. And what we have done

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already in Government, I think, has the potential to transform the way

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in which we think and tackle these terrible crimes when they take

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place. We've already committed to bringing forward new legislation and

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today, I have confirmed an additional ?20 million to support

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organisations working to tackle domestic violence and abuse. This

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means the total funding available for our our strategy will be over

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?100 million this Parliament. THE SPEAKER: Jeremy Corbyn Thank

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you, Mr Speaker. Thank you, very much, Mr Speaker, could I start by

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wishing all women a very happy International Women's Day today. And

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I'm very proud that the Labour Party has more women MPs than all other

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other parties combined in this House. And a Shadow Cabinet of which

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half the members are women. A month ago go, Mr Speaker, I raised the

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question of the leaked texts between the leader of Surrey council and

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Government officials about social care. The Prime Minister's response

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was to accuse me of peddling alternative facts. Could the Prime

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Minister explain the difference between a sweetheart deal and a

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gentlemen's agreement? First of all, the right honourable gentleman

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references women in this House. I think I will point out to him that

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actually the Conservative Party has taken a further measure in relation

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to women in this House recently. We've replaced a Labour male MP with

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a female Conservative. CHEERS AND JEERS

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He has asked me about the issue in relation to Surrey County Council

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and the substance of what he is asking is has there been a

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particular deal with Surrey County Council that is not available to

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other councils? And the answer to that is no. As I've said before -

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the ability to raise a social care precept of 3% is available to every

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council. The issue of the retention of 100% of business rates is

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currently - is going to be available to a number of councils in ip a.

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Let's look at them. Liver -- in April. Let's look at them.

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Liverpool, Manchester, London, what do we know about those? Ah, they are

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all under Labour control. So what he's actually asking me is - why

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should a Conservative council have access to an arrangement that's

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predominantly currently available to Labour councils? Mr Speaker, my

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question was about the arrangements between the Government and Surrey

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County Council. A recording has now emerged saying that the Leader of

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Surrey County Council, David Hodge said there was a gentlemen's

:36:25.:36:27.

agreement between him and the Government which meant they would

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not have to go ahead with the referendum. My question is - what

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deal was done with Surrey County Council? Because there is an acute

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social care crisis that affects every council. 4.6 billion of cuts

:36:41.:36:49.

made to social care since 2010. Can the Prime Minister tell every other

:36:50.:36:53.

council in England what gentlemen's agreement is available for them? Can

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I say to the right honourable gentleman, on today of all days, I

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think if we could just be a little patient and wait half an hour for

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the Budget, he will actually find out what social care funding is

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available to all councils. If he's - I come back to it, if he is asking

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me if there was a special deal for Surrey that was not available to

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other councils, the answer is no. If he is looking to uncover a

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conspiracy I suggest he just looks behind him.

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Well, Mr Speaker, if all the arrangements were so clear and above

:37:36.:37:42.

board, will the Prime Minister place in the library of the House a record

:37:43.:37:48.

of all one-to-one meetings that have been held between the Communities'

:37:49.:37:54.

Secretary and the Chancellor, with any council leader or chair of

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social services anywhere in England? And can she explain, if there is no

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special deal, why Surrey is the only county council to be allowed into

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the business rates retention pilot when it's been denied to others? The

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business rate retention pilot will be coming into force for a number of

:38:20.:38:25.

councils this April. That includes, as I have already said in answer to

:38:26.:38:31.

his earlier question, Liverpool, Greater Manchester, Greater London,

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and some others. In 2019-20, it's going to be available to 100% of

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councils. For 2018-19, councils are able to apply to the part of a

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further pilot. That goes for all councils across the country. The

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text, Mr Speaker, said there was a memorandum of understanding. The

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Prime Minister said there was no deal. She now is unclear about this.

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Did she actually know what arrangement was made with Surrey

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County Council? She is unkeen on answering questions on that. There

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is another area of deep concern over the whole country. Could the Prime

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Minister tell us how many new school places will be needed by 2020? Can I

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just say to the right honourable gentleman that really he should

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listen to the answers I give before he asks the next question. He said I

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didn't answer the question about a special deal for Surrey. I think

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I've answered it now three times but I'll do it a fourth time tl.s no

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special deal for Surrey that was not available to other councils. Mr

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Speaker, the Prime Minister was also asked a question just a moment ago

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about the number of new school places needed by 2020, perhaps she

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could explain why we have a crisis in school places and class sizes

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soaring, thanks to her Government? So what is the answer on the number

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of new school places needed, Prime Minister? Well, this Government has

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a policy, which is about increasing the number of school places but

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doing more than that. I want to increase the number of good school

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places, so that every child has an opportunity to go to a good school.

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That's what the money we are putting into education is about. It includes

:40:34.:40:40.

money for new free schools - those will be faith schools, university

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schools, comprehensives, grammar schools, university schools I have

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said, maths schools. There will be a diversity because what I want is a

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good school place for every child and parents to have a choice. What

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the right honourable gentlemanp wants is parents to take what

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they're given, good or bad. Mr Speaker, the National Audit Office

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tell us that a very large number of new school places are needed,

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420,000, nothing she's said gets anywhere near to that. Instead, she

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proposes a flagship scheme to build the wrong schools in the wrong

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place, spending millions of vanity projects of grammar schools and free

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schools, whilst at the same time per pupil funding is falling in real

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terms. It is time that this colossal waste of money was addressed. It is

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doing nothing to help the vast majority of children, doing not to

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help with soaring class sizes. That's what this country wants, not

:41:49.:41:52.

vanity projects from her Government. It is no vanity project to want

:41:53.:41:56.

every child to have a good school place. The majority of free schools

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- the majority of free schools that have been opened, have been opened

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in areas where there is a need for school places and the majority have

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been opened actually in areas of disadvantage, where they are helping

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the very children we want to see get thep opportunity to get on in life.

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But I have to say to the right honourable gentleman, this is about

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a fairer society and on this Budget Day, what we see is we are securing

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the economy Labour want it weaken it. We are working for a fairer

:42:26.:42:32.

society. Labour oppose every single reform. We're fighting for the best

:42:33.:42:37.

deal for Britain, Labour are fighting among themselves. That's

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Labour, weak, divided and unfit to govern this great country. Thank

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you, Mr Speaker. This week it is likely that in my area four people

:42:58.:43:01.

will suffer a stroke. With this in mind and given that the highly

:43:02.:43:09.

successful stroke strategy expires this year, will my honourable friend

:43:10.:43:19.

update the stroke strategy which and put in place schemes that can

:43:20.:43:24.

increase the outcomes. The NHS wants to continue to build on the success

:43:25.:43:27.

he is of the current stroke strategy there. Have been huge improvements.

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We all recognise huge improvements over the last decade in stroke care

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and we want to deliver our ambition for truly world-leading care. On the

:43:37.:43:40.

particular treatment she refers to, I understand the NHS has improved

:43:41.:43:45.

the use of mechanical clot retrieval in specific cases. It does

:43:46.:43:49.

rigorously audit the quality of stroke care across the country so we

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can make sure we are delivering on our commitments and we have some of

:43:53.:43:56.

the fastest improvement in hospital recovery rates for stroke and heart

:43:57.:44:01.

attacks in Europe. On International Women's Day, we wish all campaigners

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for equality well, including the Waspy campaigners. Mr Speaker, the

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cross-parliamentary Brexit committee has recommended the UK must

:44:15.:44:18.

guarantee the status of EU nationals living in the UK and act

:44:19.:44:22.

unilaterally, if necessary. The committee then went on to say that

:44:23.:44:27.

the current process for consideration of the permanent

:44:28.:44:30.

residency applications is not fit for purpose and in the absence of

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any contrary resolution to relieve the anxiety, felt by the #12i789ed 3

:44:35.:44:41.

million EU citizens resident in the UK, it is -- felt by the 3 million

:44:42.:44:47.

EU citizens, it is untenable as it now stands. Given the positive

:44:48.:44:50.

contribution thae. U nationals make to this country, what concrete plans

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does the Prime Minister have to deal with this? As the right honourable

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gentleman knows, we do want to have an early agreement, which will

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enable us to guarantee the status of EU citizens living in the UK but

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also, we need to guarantee the status of UK citizens living in the

:45:10.:45:12.

European Union. As regards the process of application, the Home

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Office are looking at this, as they always do, looking regularly at how

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they can improve the systems and simplify them.

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Mr Speaker, since 2010, the Home Office has seen its full-time staff

:45:25.:45:31.

equivalent cut by 10% so at current rates of processing applications for

:45:32.:45:34.

permanent residency, it would take the Home Office more than 50 years.

:45:35.:45:40.

50 years to deal with 3.2 million European nationals in the UK. This

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is clearly totally and utterly unacceptable. So will the Prime

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Minister tell us how quickly she hopes to be able to guarantee all

:45:51.:45:53.

European nationals permanent residence? I would say to the right

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honourable gentleman, you can't just say and stand up because actually

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the Home Office is getting more efficient, it's going to be longer

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for answers to be given to these people. Yes, the Home Office is

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getting more efficient at how it is dealing with these things. I don't

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know if he's ever heard about technology but these days, actually,

:46:16.:46:17.

people apply online and they are dealt with online. Following the

:46:18.:46:26.

recent findings of the study on terror convictions in Britain, it is

:46:27.:46:29.

clear there are serious problems with how communities integrate into

:46:30.:46:34.

society, and the danger that this lack of integration, leading to acts

:46:35.:46:38.

of terror. Will the Prime Minister update the house on the government's

:46:39.:46:42.

counter extremism strategy and response to these findings? Again,

:46:43.:46:46.

this is a very serious issue that my honourable friend has raised and the

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government is taking a comprehensive approach to tackling terrorism,

:46:52.:46:54.

violent extremism at source but also obviously through counter extremism

:46:55.:46:58.

strategy, looking at extremism more widely. We want to defeat not just

:46:59.:47:03.

terrorism and violent extremism but extremism wherever it occurs. We

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will shortly publish a new counterterrorism strategy and in the

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coming months, we will respond to Dame Louise Casey's report on

:47:11.:47:14.

integration. But this is backed up by additional investment in the

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security and intelligence agencies, 2.5 billion over five years and I

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clear the government is doing everything it can to tackle issues

:47:22.:47:24.

around integration, extremism and terrorism. I come from a Westminster

:47:25.:47:34.

Hall debate on behalf of my young constituent, Sam, who is 11, who

:47:35.:47:40.

developed narcolepsy as a result of receiving a vaccine to protect him

:47:41.:47:44.

from swine flu. Sam's mother is in the gallery today. In rare and

:47:45.:47:56.

devastating cases could the lease between pandemrix narcolepsy is

:47:57.:47:59.

proven and yet families face a long legal battle with the government.

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Will the Prime Minister today promised that no more of these

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disabled children will be handing all the courts. -- handed through

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the courts. Will she apologised to the families concerned and also

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oversee payments to support the children's long-term care needs. Can

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I first of all congratulate the honourable lady on securing the

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Westminster Hall debate on this important topic. She referred to at

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the end of her question to the issue of payments. Of course, I'm sure she

:48:25.:48:30.

realises the vaccine damage payment scheme is not a compensation team

:48:31.:48:33.

but a one-off tax-free lump sum which is paid to ease the burden of

:48:34.:48:37.

those who are disabled as a result of vaccination and it is part of a

:48:38.:48:41.

range of support provided. She has raised a very specific case and can

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I suggest you learn that obviously, she's had that Westminster Hall

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debate, we want to ensure the process is open and fair at every

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stage. The DWP looks at every claim based on its own facts and if she

:48:54.:48:57.

wants to write with the details, I'm sure my honourable friend the

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Minister for disabled people, health and work will look into the specific

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case she has raised. Closed question: Mr Michael Fabricant.

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Question for, sir. While I won't speculate on the statement is my

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right honourable friend the Chancellor will make very shortly, I

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can assure my honourable friend that the fundamentals of our economy are

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strong. Since 2010 from employment in the West Midlands has risen by

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215000 and private sector employment alone grew by 80,000 over the last

:49:27.:49:31.

year. We have also seen schools and police budgets being protected and

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more doctors and nurses in his local hospitals. Michael Fabricant. And of

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course, we have also witnessed the post Brexit vote of confidence from

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Nissan, Boeing and Dyson, investing in other parts of the country. Good

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my right honourable friend speak a bit more about firms like Jaguar

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Land Rover in the West Midlands? I'm happy to say to my honourable friend

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that of course in the wider sense, our plans for the Midland engine

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show we want an economy that works for everyone. We have already

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confirmed over 330 million in the Croasdale funding, money going to

:50:09.:50:12.

the West Midlands engine investment fund, the Birmingham rail hub but it

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is important to recognise the investment being made in the UK by

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companies like Jaguar Land Rover who will be building their new range

:50:20.:50:23.

Rover model in Solihull. That is very good news for the West

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Midlands. It is also very good news for the British economy and is a

:50:28.:50:30.

sign of the confidence Jaguar Land Rover has in the UK for the future.

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Gordon Marsden. Mr Speaker, my casebook is now full of the anxiety

:50:37.:50:40.

is the DWP and Home Office are imposing on the honourable

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constituents, including officials' devs to overturn tribunal decisions

:50:46.:50:48.

protecting benefits and residents, including a family settled here for

:50:49.:50:54.

eight years and a man with a severe brain injury. Can I ask the Prime

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Minister if she wants people to respect Brexit means Brexit,

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shouldn't she respect that tribunal 's mean tribunal is, and not try to

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block them with grubby regulations, affecting 164,000 disabled people?

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If the right honourable gentleman is referring to the decision that has

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been taken in relation to the courts and the personal independence

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payments, as I explained in this house last week, as has been

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explained by the Secretary of State, this is about restoring the system

:51:23.:51:30.

to the state that it was intended to be when Parliament agreed it. It was

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agreed by the coalition government, agreed by this Parliament, after

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extensive consultation. Mark Menzies. Mr Speaker, in National

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apprenticeship week, it is important to recognise this government's

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commitment to investment and commitment in apprenticeships and

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skills. Would the Prime Minister look at encouraging a greater

:51:52.:51:53.

commitment to degree apprenticeships as part of the government strategy,

:51:54.:51:59.

as championed in businesses in my constituency like BAE Systems who

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have been at the forefront of developing these new programmes

:52:02.:52:05.

through its engineering degree apprenticeships scheme? My right

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honourable friend has raised a very important issue at, as we look to

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the future, we want to ensure that people in the UK have the skills

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they need for the economy of the future, degree apprenticeships will

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be an important part of this and as he refers to specifically, there are

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companies like BAE Systems which have been right at the forefront of

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developing those new programmes. I am pleased to say that overall, if

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we look at apprenticeships, the apprenticeship levy will take the

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total investment in England, ?2.45 billion, double what was spent in

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2010. That means it is more opportunities for young people to

:52:40.:52:42.

gain the skills they need for the future. Dan Jarvis. Tomorrow, a

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memorial will be unveiled to those men and women who served our country

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in Afghanistan and Iraq. Does the Prime Minister agree that we should

:52:54.:52:57.

all pay tribute to their service and commemorate their sacrifice? Not

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just with a memorial but through a commitment to learn from the past

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and do better in the future. The honourable gentleman raises a very

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important point. This will be a very significant ceremony when this

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memorial is unveiled and we should all, I think, across this house,

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paid tribute to those whom that memorial will be recognising, for

:53:21.:53:28.

the sacrifice they made. Those in our Armed Forces but also all those

:53:29.:53:33.

civilians who worked to deliver aid and health care and education. It is

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important that we recognise the sacrifices made by our Armed Forces

:53:37.:53:42.

and also by their families. That will be a significant moment

:53:43.:53:45.

tomorrow. We are very clear that we do need to learn the lessons from

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the past and that is exactly what we will do. Johnny Mercer. Thank you,

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Mr Speaker, and I was delighted with the Prime Minister's intervention in

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that it was in January which I still feel has not had the attention it

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deserves. -- intervention in mental health. In Plymouth, we are

:54:04.:54:07.

completely reconfiguring services because we realise parity of esteem

:54:08.:54:10.

means nothing without parity or provision. Will the Prime Minister,

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visit Plymouth and see some of the pioneering work we are doing, and

:54:15.:54:17.

perhaps in national mental health week in May where I am hoping

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Plymouth will take a national lead? I thank my honourable friend because

:54:22.:54:25.

I know this is an issue he has championed and it is very close to

:54:26.:54:29.

his areas of concern. He's done a lot of lot of work on mental is

:54:30.:54:39.

important as he talks about the parity of esteem, which the

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government has introduced, and more money is going into mental health

:54:42.:54:43.

provision than ever before. I would certainly be delighted to see the

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work done in Plymouth provided my diary allows it. Julie Cooper. In my

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constituency of Burnley, primary and secondary schools are severely

:54:51.:54:55.

underfunded. Maintained nursery schools are struggling to survive.

:54:56.:54:59.

Why that at this time, when we cannot adequately fund the schools

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we already have, if the Prime Minister suggesting spending

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millions of pounds creating new grammar schools that will help only

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a minority of children? This is as unfair as the new funding formula

:55:12.:55:14.

and will do nothing to help social mobility. Let's be clearer about

:55:15.:55:21.

what the government has done. There are record amounts of funding going

:55:22.:55:29.

into education in this country. The Conservative led government

:55:30.:55:31.

introduced the pupil premium. The Conservative government has

:55:32.:55:34.

protected the core schools Budget. When it comes to new money that will

:55:35.:55:38.

be going into schools as a result of today's announcements, that money is

:55:39.:55:42.

not about a return to a binary system of grammar schools and

:55:43.:55:45.

secondary moderns. That is not what we are going to do. What we are

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doing is ensuring we give a diversity of provision so yes,

:55:52.:55:55.

grammar schools but comprehensives, faith schools, universities ghouls,

:55:56.:55:59.

maths schools. What I want is a good school place for every child, and

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more than that, the right school place for every child. Amanda

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Milling. On this International Women's Day, it is absolutely

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fantastic we have the highest female employment rate on record. We have

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the highest percentage of women on FTSE 100 boards on record. The

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gender pay gap is at the lowest on record. And we have an amazing

:56:24.:56:34.

female Prime Minister. CHEERS AND JEERS. Never, Bill -- however, I'm

:56:35.:56:45.

sure the Prime Minister will agree there much more to do, in particular

:56:46.:56:49.

supporting women back to work after a career break. Can my right

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honourable friend outline what more the government are going to do to

:56:53.:56:59.

level the playing field? I thank my honourable friend for her question.

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When I stood on the steps of Downing Street last July, and talked about a

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country that works for everyone, I meant that and that is why we are

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taking a number of measures... Including an International Women's

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Day, today, and we will be setting up a new fund to help mothers

:57:18.:57:20.

returning to work after a long career break. Returnships are

:57:21.:57:29.

important and open to both men and women but it is important to

:57:30.:57:32.

recognise the majority of those who take time out of a career women who

:57:33.:57:35.

are devoting themselves for motherhood -- demanded for a period

:57:36.:57:38.

and often getting back into employment is difficult and they

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find it closed off which is why it makes economic sense but it is also

:57:42.:57:44.

right unfair for those women that we provide for the returnships to get

:57:45.:57:52.

them back in the workplace. Everyone agrees that early years education is

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crucial for the welfare and future of our children. However, nurseries

:57:57.:58:01.

in my constituency tell me that the funding for 30 hours for free

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childcare is not sufficient and not enough and many of them will be

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forced to close. What steps will the Prime Minister take to ensure those

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nurseries don't close? Can I say to the honourable lady, she talks about

:58:16.:58:18.

the 30 hours that is being introduced, if you just look at what

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we are doing on childcare, we have introduced 15 hours free childcare a

:58:23.:58:25.

week for three and four-year-old is already, 15 hours free childcare for

:58:26.:58:31.

disadvantaged -year-olds and help win up to 70% of childcare costs for

:58:32.:58:34.

people on low incomes and shared parental leave and we will spend a

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record ?6 billion on childcare support by end of this Parliament.

:58:39.:58:44.

It is this Conservative government, conservatives in government have the

:58:45.:58:48.

record of supporting parents in relation to childcare needs.

:58:49.:58:53.

Michelle Brooke. Does my right honourable friend agree with me that

:58:54.:58:59.

it is indefensible for the police and crime commission in west

:59:00.:59:01.

Yorkshire to be raising council tax precept when he's got ?120 million

:59:02.:59:07.

in reserve and overspent this year's Budget by ?4 million? -- Alec

:59:08.:59:12.

Shelbrooke. Can I say to my honourable friend, the decision

:59:13.:59:14.

about what to do on the police precept on council tax is a matter

:59:15.:59:18.

for the directly elected police and crime commission for West Yorkshire

:59:19.:59:22.

as it is in every area that has a policing crime commission. But I

:59:23.:59:24.

would encourage those commissioners to look at ways of introducing

:59:25.:59:30.

efficiencies into their forces before looking to increase local

:59:31.:59:33.

taxes. I think what we have seen over the last six years is that

:59:34.:59:38.

police forces can find sensible savings and can reduce crime at the

:59:39.:59:39.

same time. Brian Davis. Mr Speaker commune at the Royal

:59:40.:59:51.

College of physicians have found that 40,000 people die prematurely

:59:52.:59:54.

each year from diesel pollution at a cost of ?20 million to the economy,

:59:55.:00:00.

and that YouGov have found 45% of diesel drivers are willing to

:00:01.:00:04.

switch, given the right scrappage or tax incentive schemes. So will she

:00:05.:00:08.

today commit to a fiscal strategy and a new clean air act to put us on

:00:09.:00:16.

a new, cleaner, healthier trajectory, to take global

:00:17.:00:19.

leadership rather than be dragged into the courts to fulfil basic EU

:00:20.:00:25.

air quality standards? As the honourable gentleman will know, we

:00:26.:00:28.

are looking at the measures that we need to introduced to improve air

:00:29.:00:31.

quality. There has been improvements in recent years but we do need to go

:00:32.:00:36.

further and that is what the government is looking at across

:00:37.:00:40.

departments, obviously, with the Department for environment, food and

:00:41.:00:44.

rural affairs actually paying most attention to that because it is in

:00:45.:00:49.

their remit and we will bring proposals on air quality forward in

:00:50.:00:51.

due course. International Women's Day is a

:00:52.:01:00.

chance to reflect on how governments and democracies across the world

:01:01.:01:02.

serve women. Will my right honourable friend confirm that when

:01:03.:01:07.

it comes to female Prime Ministers, it's 2-0 to the Conservatives?

:01:08.:01:22.

Well, I'm grateful to my honourable friend for having pointed that out,

:01:23.:01:28.

which I refrained from doing earlier in response to questions but I think

:01:29.:01:32.

it is very telling that the Labour Party spend a lot of time talking

:01:33.:01:35.

about rights for women and giving support to women and getting women

:01:36.:01:39.

on, whereas it's a Conservative Party that is the party, in this

:01:40.:01:45.

House, that has provided two female Prime Ministers.

:01:46.:01:49.

Thank you, Mr speaker. Will the Prime Minister give an undertaking

:01:50.:01:56.

that any new Scotland Act will only be drafted after full consultation

:01:57.:02:00.

with the people of Scotland, and with the consent of the Scottish

:02:01.:02:10.

Parliament? I would say to the honourable lady, I'm not sure if

:02:11.:02:13.

she's referring to discusses currently taking place about the

:02:14.:02:19.

powers that might be available to the devolved administrations

:02:20.:02:23.

available to the devolved administrations when we discuss to

:02:24.:02:27.

leave the EU but we knows full well that we all...

:02:28.:02:39.

Crowd Comms a business in my constituency operates out of its

:02:40.:02:46.

small market down and has offices in Seattle and Sydney. And it has

:02:47.:02:55.

high-quality jobs for people available themselves of fast

:02:56.:02:57.

broadband and telephone communication. This is the recipe

:02:58.:03:01.

for growing the rural economy. Will my right honourable friend ensure it

:03:02.:03:05.

undertake her Government does all that it can to I will can the

:03:06.:03:08.

blackspots in rural areas? I can assure my honourable friend that we

:03:09.:03:12.

want to ensure we are doing that. My right honourable friend the

:03:13.:03:14.

Secretary of State for Culture, media and sport is looking at our

:03:15.:03:18.

digital strategy and ensuring broadband is available in rural

:03:19.:03:22.

areas and indeed at good speeds in other areas which might be less

:03:23.:03:25.

rural than my honourable friend's conzitcy.

:03:26.:03:33.

-- constituency. THE SPEAKER: Finally, Mr Tim Farron. Thank you Mr

:03:34.:03:43.

Speaker. Order, order. I don't know why honourable members are cheering

:03:44.:03:47.

because it is finally or the popularity of the honourable

:03:48.:03:50.

gentleman. You are very uncharacterically kind. Mr Speaker

:03:51.:03:54.

on International Women's Day we stand with women and girls across

:03:55.:03:58.

the world and note with resolve that we must take not for granted the

:03:59.:04:01.

progress we have made towards equality over the last few decades.

:04:02.:04:06.

Mr Speaker, yesterday we heard that hundreds of families of soldiers who

:04:07.:04:11.

died in Iraq and Afghanistan have been denied seats at tomorrow's

:04:12.:04:14.

unveiling of the memorial to our fallen troops. Inviting a relative

:04:15.:04:19.

of each of those killed in Iraq and Afghanistan would have taken up

:04:20.:04:24.

fewer than one-third of the 2,500 seats at that event. Will she now

:04:25.:04:28.

apologise to those families for what I assume is a careless oversight and

:04:29.:04:35.

rectify that mistake immediately to the so bereaved families can come

:04:36.:04:39.

and pay their respects to their fallen loved ones? Can I reassure

:04:40.:04:42.

the honourable gentleman to assure him that charitable groups

:04:43.:04:46.

representing the bereaved were asked to put forward names I have a

:04:47.:04:50.

tendees and we look forward to welcoming so we can acknowledge the

:04:51.:04:53.

sacrifice their loved ones made. Over half of those attending

:04:54.:04:57.

tomorrow are current or members of Armed Forces. No-one from the

:04:58.:05:02.

bereaved community has been turned away and everyone who has applied

:05:03.:05:06.

has been successful. I am' reassured if there are any bereaved families

:05:07.:05:11.

who wish to attend the Ministry of Defence will make every effort to

:05:12.:05:14.

ensure that they can do so. Speak speak order.

:05:15.:05:18.

Prime Minister's Questions comes to a close, and we now

:05:19.:05:20.

have a change in the Speaker's Chair.

:05:21.:05:26.

We are now getting towards the Budget statement.

:05:27.:05:32.

By tradition, the principal Deputy Speaker, currently

:05:33.:05:34.

the Labour MP Lindsay Hoyle, also known as the Chairman of Ways

:05:35.:05:37.

and Means, takes the chair for the Budget statement.

:05:38.:05:40.

Proposals for raising taxation used to originate

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So we are getting ready for the budget.

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Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker. I report today on an economy that has

:05:58.:06:03.

continued to confound the commentators with robust growth. A

:06:04.:06:08.

labour market delivering record employment and a deficit down by

:06:09.:06:12.

over two-thirds. As we start our negotiations to exit the European

:06:13.:06:16.

Union, this Budget takes forward our plans to prepare Britain for a

:06:17.:06:22.

brighter future. It provides a strong and stable platform for those

:06:23.:06:26.

negotiations. It extends opportunity to all our young people. It delivers

:06:27.:06:31.

further investment in our public services, and it continues the task

:06:32.:06:35.

of getting Britain back to living within its means. We are building

:06:36.:06:39.

the foundations of a stronger, fairer, more global Britain. Mr

:06:40.:06:46.

Deputy Speaker, as the House knows, this will be the last Spring Budget.

:06:47.:06:50.

The Treasury has helpfully reminded me that I am not the first

:06:51.:06:55.

Chancellor to announce the last Spring Budget. 24 years ago, Norman

:06:56.:07:00.

Lamont also presented what was billed then as the last Spring

:07:01.:07:05.

Budget. He reported on an economy that was growing faster than any

:07:06.:07:12.

other in the G7 and he continued to commit to restraint in public

:07:13.:07:15.

spending. The then Prime Minister described it as the right Budget at

:07:16.:07:19.

the right time, from the right Chancellor. What they failed to

:07:20.:07:24.

remind me, Mr Deputy Speaker, was that ten weeks later he was sacked.

:07:25.:07:33.

So, wish me luck today. Mr Deputy Speaker, last year the British

:07:34.:07:37.

economy grew faster than the United States, faster than Japan, faster

:07:38.:07:41.

than France. Indeed amongst the major advanced economies, Britain's

:07:42.:07:45.

economic growth n 2016 was second only to Germany. Employment is at a

:07:46.:07:52.

record high. Unemployment is at an 11-year low, with over 2.7 million

:07:53.:07:57.

more people enjoying the security and dignity of work than in 2010. A

:07:58.:08:02.

very far cry from the 3 million unemployed predicted by the party

:08:03.:08:05.

opposite. And I'm pleased to report, Mr Deputy

:08:06.:08:09.

Speaker, on International Women's Day, that there is now a higher

:08:10.:08:14.

proportion of women in the workforce than ever before. I'm even more

:08:15.:08:19.

pleased to report, as my right honourable friend, the Prime

:08:20.:08:21.

Minister has remarked, since February 23rd, there is a higher

:08:22.:08:26.

proportion of women in work in the parliamentary Conservative Party.

:08:27.:08:31.

But Mr Deputy Speaker, there is no room for complacency and you will

:08:32.:08:36.

not find any on these benches. As we prepare for our future outside the

:08:37.:08:40.

EU, we cannot rest on our past achievements. We must focus,

:08:41.:08:44.

relentlessly, on keeping Britain at the cutting edge of the global

:08:45.:08:49.

economy. The deficit is down, but debt is still too high. Employment

:08:50.:08:55.

is up, but productivity remains stubbornly low. Too many of our

:08:56.:08:59.

young people are leaving formal education without the skills they

:09:00.:09:04.

need for today's labour market. And too many families are still feeling

:09:05.:09:08.

the squeeze, almost a decade after the crash. So, our job is not done.

:09:09.:09:15.

And our task today is to take the next steps in preparing Britain for

:09:16.:09:20.

a global future - to quip our young people with the skills they need, to

:09:21.:09:25.

support our public services and to help ordinary working families, as

:09:26.:09:29.

we build an economy that works for everyone.

:09:30.:09:36.

Mr Deputy Speaker, I thank the Office for Budget Responsibility for

:09:37.:09:39.

their report received today. Let me take this opportunity to thank my

:09:40.:09:43.

right honourable friend the Chief Secretary and my ministerial team

:09:44.:09:48.

who really are the unsung heroes of the Budget, doing much of the heavy

:09:49.:09:54.

lifting over the last few weeks and of course my excellent PPS, my right

:09:55.:09:59.

honourable friend. I turn now, Mr Deputy Speaker, to

:10:00.:10:07.

the OBR forecast. This is the spread sheet bit but bear with me, because

:10:08.:10:12.

I have a reputation to defend. The OBR forecast the level of GDP for

:10:13.:10:19.

20221 to be broadly the same as at Autumn Statement however the path we

:10:20.:10:21.

get there has changed. Reflecting the recent strength in the economy,

:10:22.:10:27.

the OBR has upgraded its forecast for growth this year, next year,

:10:28.:10:32.

from 1.4% to 2%. And Mr Deputy Speaker, I don't see too many people

:10:33.:10:39.

on the Opposition front bench doing this. In 2018-19, growth is forecast

:10:40.:10:54.

to slow to 1.6%, before picking up to approximate 1.7%, then 1.9%,

:10:55.:11:00.

returning to 2% in 2021. Resilience in the economy is

:11:01.:11:04.

reflected in a strong labour market. Since 2010, the employment rate has

:11:05.:11:10.

risen from 70.2, to 74.6, with positive news for all parts of the

:11:11.:11:15.

United Kingdom. Unemployment has fallen fastest in Yorkshire and the

:11:16.:11:21.

Humber and Wales. Wages have grown fastest in Northern Ireland. And

:11:22.:11:25.

productivity has grown fastest in Scotland and in the north-east.

:11:26.:11:30.

And this positive trend is set to continue over the forecast period.

:11:31.:11:34.

The number of people in employment is set to grow in every year, with a

:11:35.:11:40.

further two-thirds of a million people in work by 2021. The OBR

:11:41.:11:47.

forecast inflation at 2.4% this year, then 2.3% next year and 2% in

:11:48.:11:52.

2019. And most importantly, Mr Deputy

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Speaker, despite higher than target inflation, real wages continue to

:11:58.:12:03.

rise in every year of the forecast. Mr Deputy Speaker, while the

:12:04.:12:07.

economic forecasts are broadly unchanged since the autumn, the OBR

:12:08.:12:13.

has substantially revised down its short-term forecast of public sector

:12:14.:12:17.

net borrowing. The OBR attributes this change to a number of one-off

:12:18.:12:21.

factors that they do not expect to lead to a structural improvement

:12:22.:12:25.

over the forecast period. Combining these factors with the higher

:12:26.:12:29.

short-term forecasts for growth and taking into account the measures

:12:30.:12:34.

that I shall announce today, the OBR now forecasts borrowing in 2016-17

:12:35.:12:42.

to be ?16.4 billion lower than forecast in the autumn, at ?51.7

:12:43.:12:48.

billion. Then, ?58.3 billion in 2017-18,

:12:49.:12:56.

?40.8 billion in 18-19. ?21.4 billion, ?20.6 billion and finally

:12:57.:13:05.

?16... In 21-22. All lower than forecast at Autumn Statement.

:13:06.:13:08.

Over all, public sector net borrowing, as a percentage of GDP is

:13:09.:13:15.

predicted to fall from 3.8% last year to 2.6% this year. And

:13:16.:13:19.

forethose who care about such things, it means we are forecast to

:13:20.:13:24.

meet our 3% EU be stability and growth pact target this year for the

:13:25.:13:31.

first time in almost a decade. But I won't hold my breath, Mr Deputy

:13:32.:13:43.

Speaker, for my congratulatory letter from Jean-Claude junker.

:13:44.:13:45.

Borrowing is then forecast to be 2.9% in 17-19 and then to fall.

:13:46.:14:01.

21-22 will be the lowest level in two decades. The OBR expect

:14:02.:14:07.

cyclically adjusted public sector net borrowing to be 6.9% in 2020-21.

:14:08.:14:17.

Giving us a #23rs target in the new fiscal rules, maintaining our fiscal

:14:18.:14:21.

resilience over the period. The OBR's forecast of lower near-term

:14:22.:14:24.

borrowing, coupled with recent strength in the economy, be means

:14:25.:14:28.

lower debt across the period. The OBR now forecast that is debt will

:14:29.:14:36.

rise to 86.6% this year before peaking at 88.8% next year. 1.4%

:14:37.:14:41.

points lower than forecast in the autumn. It then falls in 2018-19,

:14:42.:14:50.

for the first time since 2001-2, to 88.5%, and then continues to decline

:14:51.:15:02.

to 86.9% in 1920, 83% in 20-21 and 79.8% in 21-22. Mr Deputy Speaker,

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at the Autumn Statement, I set out our plan to return the politic

:15:09.:15:11.

finances to balance in the next Parliament. A plan that is now

:15:12.:15:13.

underpinned by our new fiscal rules. That plan strikes the right balance

:15:14.:15:23.

between reducing the deficit, preserving fiscal flexibility and

:15:24.:15:26.

investing in Britain's future. Some have argued that lower borrowing

:15:27.:15:33.

this year makes a case for more unfunded spending in the future. I

:15:34.:15:39.

disagree. Britain has a debt of nearly ?1.7 trillion. Almost ?62,000

:15:40.:15:47.

for every household in the country. Each year, we are spending ?50

:15:48.:15:53.

billion on debt interest, more than we spend on defence and policing

:15:54.:15:59.

combined. And borrowing, over the forecast period, is still set to be

:16:00.:16:06.

?100 billion higher than predicted at Budget 2016. So the only

:16:07.:16:10.

responsible course of action, Mr Deputy Speaker, is to continue with

:16:11.:16:14.

our plan, undeterred by any short-term fluctuations and

:16:15.:16:23.

undistracted... Undistracted by the reckless policies advance by the

:16:24.:16:31.

opposition. Because, Mr Deputy Speaker, we on this side will not

:16:32.:16:35.

saddle our children with ever increasing debt.

:16:36.:16:44.

SHOUTING Mr Deputy Speaker, I think the honourable members opposite may

:16:45.:16:54.

need to have a word with their own front bench, which proposes

:16:55.:16:58.

borrowing another ?500 billion to saddle our children and burden their

:16:59.:17:03.

futures. So, Mr Deputy Speaker, the Budget I

:17:04.:17:08.

set out today will again fund all additional spending decisions over

:17:09.:17:12.

the forecast period. Mr Deputy Speaker, a strong economy needs a

:17:13.:17:17.

fair, stable and competitive tax system, creating the growth that

:17:18.:17:21.

will underpin our future prosperity. My ambition is for the UK to be the

:17:22.:17:26.

best place in the world to start and grow a business. Under the last

:17:27.:17:33.

Labour government, corporation tax 28%. By the way, they don't call it

:17:34.:17:37.

the last Labour government for nothing!

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From... From April this year, from April this year, it will fall to

:17:46.:17:56.

19%, the lowest rate in the G20. In 2020, it will fall again to 17%,

:17:57.:18:01.

sending the clearest possible signal that Britain is open for business.

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Mr Deputy Speaker, I am listening to the voice of business. As I

:18:07.:18:12.

committed at the Autumn Statement, we have reviewed with business hour

:18:13.:18:16.

aren't the tax credit regime, the one place where I am not going to

:18:17.:18:19.

hear the voice of business is from the benches opposite! -- our R tax

:18:20.:18:32.

credit regime. We have done so, and we have concluded that it is

:18:33.:18:36.

globally competitive. But to make the UK even more attractive for R,

:18:37.:18:41.

we have accepted industry calls for a reduction in administrative

:18:42.:18:44.

burdens around the scheme, and we will shortly bring forward measures

:18:45.:18:48.

to deliver them. In a digital age, it is right that we develop a

:18:49.:18:52.

digital tax system, but in response to concerns about the timetable

:18:53.:18:57.

expressed by business organisations, and by several of my right

:18:58.:19:02.

honourable friends, including the chairman of the Treasury Select

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Committee, I have decided that for businesses with turnover below the

:19:07.:19:10.

VAT registration threshold, I will delay by one year the introduction

:19:11.:19:15.

of quarterly reporting, at a cost to the Exchequer of ?280 million. And I

:19:16.:19:22.

have heard the cause by North Sea oil and gas producers and the

:19:23.:19:25.

Scottish Government to provide further support for the transfer of

:19:26.:19:29.

late life assets. As UK oil and gas production declines, it is

:19:30.:19:34.

absolutely essential that we maximise exploitation of remaining

:19:35.:19:38.

reserves, and so we will produce a formal discussion paper on the

:19:39.:19:44.

options in due course. Mr Deputy Speaker, there is one further area

:19:45.:19:48.

in which I can introduce action to back British businesses. My right

:19:49.:19:50.

honourable friends community secretary and I have listened to the

:19:51.:19:54.

concerns raised by colleagues in this House and by businesses about

:19:55.:20:00.

the effect of the 2017 business rates revaluation. Business rates

:20:01.:20:05.

raises ?25 billion a year, all of which, by 2020, will be going to

:20:06.:20:09.

fund local government, so we cannot abolish them, as some have

:20:10.:20:14.

suggested. But it is certainly true, in the medium term, that we have to

:20:15.:20:18.

find a better way of taxing the digital part of the economy, the

:20:19.:20:21.

parts that does not use bricks and mortar. But in the meantime, there

:20:22.:20:27.

is scope to reform the revaluation process, making it smoother and more

:20:28.:20:30.

frequent to avoid the dramatic increases that the present system

:20:31.:20:35.

can do live. We will set out our preferred approach in due course,

:20:36.:20:40.

and we will consult on it before the next revaluation is due. The

:20:41.:20:48.

revaluation itself, Mr Deputy Speaker, is by law this Bill

:20:49.:20:53.

neutral, and ahead of this revaluation, the Government

:20:54.:20:56.

committed to a package of cuts to business rates now with nearly ?9

:20:57.:21:02.

billion. -- this can be neutral. It raises the threshold so that six and

:21:03.:21:07.

a thousand small businesses are taken out of paying rates

:21:08.:21:12.

altogether. But the revaluation has undoubtedly raised some hard cases,

:21:13.:21:16.

especially for those businesses coming out of small business rates

:21:17.:21:21.

relief. So today, as I promised many of my right honourable friends I

:21:22.:21:24.

would, I address those concerns with three measures which applied to the

:21:25.:21:28.

national business rate system for England. First, any business coming

:21:29.:21:33.

out of small business rate relief will benefit from an additional cap.

:21:34.:21:39.

No business losing small business rate relief will see their bill

:21:40.:21:42.

increase next year by more than ?50 a month. And the subsequent

:21:43.:21:47.

increases will be capped at either the transitional relief cap or ?50 a

:21:48.:21:54.

month, whichever is higher. Second, recognising the valuable role that

:21:55.:22:00.

local pubs play in our communities, I will provide a ?1000 discount on

:22:01.:22:06.

business rates bills in 2017 for all pubs with a rateable value of less

:22:07.:22:11.

than ?100,000. That is 90% of all pubs in England. And, third, I will,

:22:12.:22:19.

on top of these two measures, I will provide local authorities with a

:22:20.:22:23.

?300 million fund to deliver discretionary relief to target

:22:24.:22:27.

individual hard cases in their local areas. This fund will be allocated

:22:28.:22:35.

to local authorities by a formula, and my right honourable friend the

:22:36.:22:38.

Communities Secretary will set out details in due course. Taken...

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Taken together, Mr Deputy Speaker, this is a further ?435 million cut

:22:49.:22:56.

in business rates, targeted at those small businesses facing the biggest

:22:57.:23:01.

increases, protecting our pubs, and giving local authorities the

:23:02.:23:04.

resource to respond flexibly to local circumstances. Mr Deputy

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Speaker, just as a strong economy requires a tax system that is

:23:11.:23:13.

competitive, a strong society requires one that is fair. Because I

:23:14.:23:22.

have committed to funding my spending decisions, rather than

:23:23.:23:26.

borrowing more, I make no podgy for raising additional revenues and for

:23:27.:23:31.

doing so in ways which enhance the fairness of the system. -- I make no

:23:32.:23:35.

apology. First and foremost, that means collecting the taxes that are

:23:36.:23:41.

due. Since 2010, we have secured ?140 billion by taking robust action

:23:42.:23:48.

to tackle avoidance, evasion and noncompliance. This has helped the

:23:49.:23:53.

UK attain one of the lowest tax gaps in the world, but in this Budget we

:23:54.:23:57.

set out further actions to stop businesses from converting capital

:23:58.:24:00.

losses into trading losses, to tackle abuse of foreign pension

:24:01.:24:06.

schemes, to introduce UK VAT on roaming telecoms outside the EU in

:24:07.:24:09.

line with international standard practice, and from July we will

:24:10.:24:15.

introduce a new financial penalty for professionals who enable a tax

:24:16.:24:19.

avoidance arrangement that is later defeated by HMRC. Taken together,

:24:20.:24:26.

these measures will raise ?820 million over the forecast period.

:24:27.:24:32.

But, Mr Deputy Speaker, as well as collecting taxes that are due, a

:24:33.:24:37.

fair system ensures that those with the broadest shoulders bear the

:24:38.:24:41.

heaviest burden. As a result of the changes we have made since 2010, the

:24:42.:24:49.

top 1% of income taxpayers now pay 27% of all income tax, a higher

:24:50.:24:55.

proportion than in any year under the last Labour government. But a

:24:56.:25:02.

fair system, a fair system will also ensure fairness between individuals,

:25:03.:25:06.

so that people doing similar work for some low wages, and enjoying

:25:07.:25:12.

similar state benefits, pay similar levels of tax. As our economy

:25:13.:25:16.

responds to the challenges of globalisation, shifting demographics

:25:17.:25:19.

and the emergence of new technologies, we've seen a dramatic

:25:20.:25:24.

increase in the number of people working as self-employed or through

:25:25.:25:27.

their own companies, indeed many of our most highly paid professionals

:25:28.:25:31.

work through limited liability partnerships and are treated as

:25:32.:25:36.

seldom ploy. There are many good reasons for choosing to be

:25:37.:25:39.

self-employed, or working through a company. Indeed, Mr Deputy Speaker,

:25:40.:25:45.

I have done both in my time. And I will always encourage and support

:25:46.:25:49.

the entrepreneurs and the innovators who are the lifeblood of our

:25:50.:25:52.

economy, people should have choices about how they work, but the choice

:25:53.:26:00.

should not be judged primarily by differences in tax treatment. My

:26:01.:26:03.

right honourable friend the Prime Minister has asked Matthew Taylor,

:26:04.:26:07.

the chief executive of the RSA, to consider the wider implications of

:26:08.:26:11.

different employment practices and I look forward to his final report in

:26:12.:26:16.

the summer, and I am grateful to him for sharing his preliminary

:26:17.:26:18.

thoughts. He is clear that differences in tax treatment are a

:26:19.:26:23.

key driver behind the trends we are observing, a conclusion which is

:26:24.:26:27.

shared by the IFS and the Resolution Foundation. An employee earning

:26:28.:26:33.

?32,000 will incur between him and his employer ?6,170 of national

:26:34.:26:41.

insurance contributions. A self-employed person earning the

:26:42.:26:47.

equivalent amount will pay just ?2300, significantly less than half

:26:48.:26:55.

as much. Historically, the differences in NICs reflected a

:26:56.:27:01.

difference in state pension entitlement and contributory welfare

:27:02.:27:03.

benefits, but with the introduction of the new state pension last year,

:27:04.:27:07.

these differences have been very substantially reduced. Self-employed

:27:08.:27:12.

workers now build up the same entitlement to a state pension as

:27:13.:27:17.

employees, a big pension boost for the self employed. The most

:27:18.:27:21.

significant remaining area of difference is in relation to

:27:22.:27:25.

parental benefits, and I can announce today that we will consult

:27:26.:27:28.

in the summer on options to address the disparities in this area, as the

:27:29.:27:36.

FSB and others have proposed. Mr Deputy Speaker, the difference in

:27:37.:27:38.

national insurance contributions is no longer justified by the

:27:39.:27:44.

difference in benefit entitlements. Such dramatically different

:27:45.:27:46.

treatment of two people earning essentially the same undermines the

:27:47.:27:52.

fairness of our tax system. Employed and self-employed alike, use our

:27:53.:27:58.

public services in the same way, but they are not paying for them in the

:27:59.:28:02.

same way. The lower national insurance paid by the self-employed

:28:03.:28:08.

is forecast to cost our public finance billions this year alone.

:28:09.:28:13.

This is not fair to the 85% of workers who are employees. The

:28:14.:28:19.

abolition of class two NICs for self employed people, announced by my

:28:20.:28:22.

right honourable friend the member for Tatton in 2016, and due to take

:28:23.:28:28.

effect in 2018, would further increase the gap between employment

:28:29.:28:32.

and self-employment. To be able to support our public services in this

:28:33.:28:38.

Budget, and to improve the fairness of the system, I will act to reduce

:28:39.:28:42.

the gap to better reflect the current differences in state

:28:43.:28:47.

benefits. I have considered, Mr Deputy Speaker, the possibility of

:28:48.:28:51.

simply reversing the decision to abolish class two contributions, but

:28:52.:28:56.

the class two NIC is aggressive and outdated. It is absolutely right

:28:57.:29:01.

that it should go, so instead, from April 2018, when it is abolished,

:29:02.:29:06.

the main rate of class four NICs for the self-employed will increase by

:29:07.:29:11.

1% up to 10%, with a further 1% increase in April 2019. The

:29:12.:29:18.

combination of the abolition of class two and the class four

:29:19.:29:21.

increases I have announced today raises a net ?145 million a year for

:29:22.:29:32.

our public services by 2021-22, an average of around 60p per week per

:29:33.:29:37.

self-employed person in this country. And since class two

:29:38.:29:42.

contributions are payable at a flat rate, while class four is chargeable

:29:43.:29:47.

as a proportion of profits, all self-employed people earning less

:29:48.:29:53.

than ?16,250 will still see a reduction in the total NICs bill.

:29:54.:30:01.

This change reduces the unfairness in the NICs system and reflect more

:30:02.:30:04.

accurately the current differences in benefits available from the

:30:05.:30:09.

state. Mr Deputy Speaker, alongside the gap between employees and the

:30:10.:30:14.

self-employed, there is a parallel unfairness in the treatment of those

:30:15.:30:15.

working through their own companies. Britain has the most competitive

:30:16.:30:32.

corporate tax regime in the #2k3w7. We must ensure that our corporate

:30:33.:30:37.

tax regime does not encourage people across the country to form companies

:30:38.:30:42.

to reduce tax liabilities, pushing the burden of financing our public

:30:43.:30:48.

services on to others. HRMC estimates that existing corporations

:30:49.:30:52.

cost the public finances over ?6 billion a year and the OBR forecasts

:30:53.:30:56.

that at the current rate of increase an additional annual cost to the

:30:57.:31:03.

exchequer will occur from those chosing to incorporate of ?3.5

:31:04.:31:13.

billion a year by 2021-22. The gap in total tax and NICs between an

:31:14.:31:17.

employed worker and one who has set up his own company will be even

:31:18.:31:21.

greater than the self-employed and there are perfectly legal ways in

:31:22.:31:24.

which that gap can be made bigger still. It is not fair and not

:31:25.:31:30.

affordable. Fairness demands this discrepancy and treatment has

:31:31.:31:33.

addressed, just as I have addressed the discrepancy with the

:31:34.:31:36.

self-employed. The dividend allowance has increased the tax

:31:37.:31:40.

advantage of incorporation. It allows each director shareholder to

:31:41.:31:44.

take ?5,000 of dividends out of their company, tax-free, over an

:31:45.:31:49.

above the personal allowance. It is also an extremely generous tax break

:31:50.:31:54.

for investors with substantial share portfolios. I have decides,

:31:55.:32:00.

therefore, to address the unfairness around director shareholders' tax

:32:01.:32:02.

advantage and at the same time, raise some much-needed revenue to

:32:03.:32:08.

fund the measures I shall announce today, by reducing the tax-free

:32:09.:32:13.

dividend allowance from ?5,000, to ?2,000, with effect from April 2018.

:32:14.:32:19.

About half the people affected by this measure are director

:32:20.:32:23.

shareholders of private companies. The rest are investors in shares

:32:24.:32:30.

with holdings worth typically, over ?50,000, outside ISAs and of course

:32:31.:32:35.

everyone will benefit from the generous ?4,760 increase in the

:32:36.:32:40.

annual ISA allowance to ?20,000 and a further increase in the personal

:32:41.:32:49.

allowance to ?11,500 from April. Mr Deputy Speaker, I now turn to

:32:50.:32:53.

duties and levies and unusually for a Chancellor I'm delighted to

:32:54.:32:57.

announce a reduction in the expected yield of a tax. The soft drinks

:32:58.:33:03.

levy. I can confirm today the final rates of 18 and 24p per litre for

:33:04.:33:09.

the main and higher bands respectively but producers are

:33:10.:33:11.

already reformulating sugar out of their drinks which means a lower

:33:12.:33:16.

revenue forecast for this tax. This is good news for our children. And

:33:17.:33:22.

in further good news for them today, I can confirm that we will nobbled

:33:23.:33:28.

fund DFE with the full ?1 billion we originally expected from the levy

:33:29.:33:31.

this Parliament to invest in school ports and healthy living programmes.

:33:32.:33:38.

I am freezing, for another year the VED rates for hauliers and the HGV

:33:39.:33:45.

road user levy. I'm introducing a new minimum excise duty on

:33:46.:33:49.

cigarettes based on a pack price of ?7.35 and I can also confirm I will

:33:50.:33:53.

make no changes to previously planned upratings of duties on

:33:54.:33:55.

alcohol and tobacco. The tax measures I have announced

:33:56.:34:00.

enhance the sustainability of our public services into the future and

:34:01.:34:04.

by improving the fairness of the system, helps us to keep tax rates

:34:05.:34:09.

low. Mr Deputy Speaker, economic policy

:34:10.:34:14.

does not exist in a vacuum and economic growth is a means, not an

:34:15.:34:21.

end in itself. The objective of our economic policy is to support

:34:22.:34:24.

ordinary working families and to build an economy that works for

:34:25.:34:29.

them. And on this side of the House, we know that we can only achieve

:34:30.:34:37.

rising living standards and deliver vote. In vital public services, if

:34:38.:34:40.

if we have a strong economy and sustainable public finances. It is a

:34:41.:34:45.

simple proposition, Mr Deputy Speaker, yet one which the

:34:46.:34:49.

Opposition front bench seems to find strangely difficult to understand.

:34:50.:34:53.

We start from a strong base. Real wages have grown for 27 straight

:34:54.:34:58.

months. The wages of the lowest paid grew faster last year than in any of

:34:59.:35:03.

the previous 20 years. And the poorest households have seen their

:35:04.:35:07.

labour incomes rise more since 20 #10e in the UK, than in any other

:35:08.:35:12.

country in the G7. -- since 2010. Last year we

:35:13.:35:17.

delivered a pay rise to over a million of the lowest paid through

:35:18.:35:20.

the national living wage and next month we take more steps to support

:35:21.:35:24.

worker families with the cost of living. The national living wage

:35:25.:35:32.

will rise again to ?7.50 in April, over ?500 more for full-time worker

:35:33.:35:37.

than this year and ?1,400 more than when the national living wage was

:35:38.:35:40.

introduced. The personal allowance will rise for the 7th year in a row

:35:41.:35:47.

to ?11,500 and the higher rate threshold to ?45,000. 29 million

:35:48.:35:52.

people will be better off with a typical basic rate taxpayer paying

:35:53.:35:57.

?1,000 less than in 2010. And we will meet our manifesto

:35:58.:36:04.

commitment to increasing the thresholds to ?12,500 and ?50,000

:36:05.:36:06.

respectively by the end of this Parliament.

:36:07.:36:11.

Mr Deputy Speaker, I can also confirm today that the new NS I

:36:12.:36:16.

bond which I announced at Autumn Statement will be available from

:36:17.:36:22.

April and will pay 2.2% on deposits up to ?3,000, a welcome break for

:36:23.:36:26.

hard-pressed savers and the Universal Credit taper rate will be

:36:27.:36:34.

reduced in April from 56% to 63%, cutting tax for 3 million families

:36:35.:36:38.

on low income. Next month, we will see the

:36:39.:36:43.

introduction of our flagship tax-free childcare policy. That will

:36:44.:36:48.

allow working families across the UK to receive up to ?2,000 a year,

:36:49.:36:53.

towards the cost of childcare, for each child under 12. The scheme will

:36:54.:36:57.

be rolled out to all eligible parents by the end of the year. And

:36:58.:37:02.

from September, in addition, working parents with three and

:37:03.:37:06.

four-year-olds will get their free childcare entitlement doubled to 30

:37:07.:37:11.

hours a week. That, Mr Deputy Speaker, is worth around ?5,000 a

:37:12.:37:16.

year to a young family with a three-year-old, and both parents

:37:17.:37:20.

working. By the end of this Parliament, this Government will be

:37:21.:37:24.

spending on childcare ?6 billion a year.

:37:25.:37:29.

These childcare measures represent a further huge step forward in support

:37:30.:37:37.

for ordinary working families and for women in the work place. And I

:37:38.:37:41.

am delighted to use the occasion of International Women's Day to

:37:42.:37:42.

announce three additional measures. Well not quite announce them, Mr

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Deputy Speaker, because my right honourable friend the Prime Minister

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has already announced two of them. It is National Women's Day. It says

:37:57.:38:02.

here - "I will commit a further ?20 million of Government funding to

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support the campaign against violence against women and girls."

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Which does, as my right honourable friend said earlier, take the

:38:10.:38:12.

Government's commitment to this campaign to over ?100 million in

:38:13.:38:18.

this Parliament. That is on top of the tampon tax which today delivers

:38:19.:38:23.

another ?12 million in support of women's charities across the United

:38:24.:38:28.

Kingdom. The Prime Minister earlier also

:38:29.:38:31.

mentioned that the Government will commit fought ?5 million to

:38:32.:38:36.

promoting returnships to the public and private sector, helping people

:38:37.:38:38.

back into employment after a career break.

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Mr Deputy Speaker, as next year is the centenary of the 1918

:38:46.:38:49.

Representation of the People Act, the decisive step in the political

:38:50.:38:53.

emans pays of women in this country, I will commit a further ?5 million

:38:54.:38:59.

to are projects to celebrate this centenary and to educate young

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people about its significance. Mr Deputy Speaker, as well as knowing

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the Government is on their side, people want to know that they are

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getting a good deal from private markets too.

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A well-functioning market economy is the best way to deliver prosperity

:39:15.:39:21.

and security to working families and the litany of failed attempts of

:39:22.:39:25.

state control of industry by labour, leaves no-one in any doubt about

:39:26.:39:29.

that, except, apparently the right honourable gentleman opposite, who

:39:30.:39:36.

is now so far down a black hole that even Stephen Hawking has disowned

:39:37.:39:37.

him. This Government, Mr Deputy Speaker,

:39:38.:39:50.

recognises that sometimes markets, particularly in fast-developing

:39:51.:39:53.

areas of the economy, can fail people. Sometimes the market does

:39:54.:39:58.

not deliver the outcome the textbooks suggests it should and

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when that happens, this Government will not hesitate to intervene. We

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will shortly bring forward a green paper on protecting the interests of

:40:07.:40:11.

consumers. But, ahead of the green paper, we will take the first steps

:40:12.:40:16.

to protect consumers from unexpected fees or unfair clause, to simplifies

:40:17.:40:22.

T . Krs and to give consumer bodies great enforcement powers. --

:40:23.:40:29.

simplify Ts Cs. Together this will boost incomes, help family budgets

:40:30.:40:33.

stretch further, support parents back into Bosch and tackle some of

:40:34.:40:41.

the frustrations that sometimes make it feel that the dice are load he

:40:42.:40:45.

had against ordinary people going about their ordinary lives. This

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House knows that the only sensible way to raising living standards is

:40:50.:40:53.

to improve the productivity growth. Simply put - higher productivity

:40:54.:40:58.

means higher pay. The stats are well-known with 35% behind Germany,

:40:59.:41:03.

18% behind the G7 average average and the gap is not closing. Mr

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Deputy Speaker, investment in training and investment in

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infrastructure will start to close this gap. And this Government places

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addressing the UK's productivity challenge at the very heart of its

:41:17.:41:20.

economic plan. Because the cornerstone of an economy that works

:41:21.:41:25.

for everyone must be rising living standards for ordinary working

:41:26.:41:35.

people. . The key elements of our plan is the additional investment

:41:36.:41:38.

from infrastructure that I announced at the Autumn Statement. Today to

:41:39.:41:43.

enhance the UK's position as a world leader in science and innovation I'm

:41:44.:41:47.

allocating ?300 million of that fund to support the brightest and best

:41:48.:41:51.

research talent, including support for 1,000 new PhD places and

:41:52.:41:54.

fellowships, focussed on stem subjects. ?270 million to keep the

:41:55.:42:03.

UK at the forefront of disruptive technologies like biotech, robotic

:42:04.:42:06.

systems and driverless vehicles, technology I believe that the party

:42:07.:42:08.

opposite knows something about. ?16 million for a new 5G mobile

:42:09.:42:29.

technology hub and ?200 million for local projects to leverage private

:42:30.:42:32.

sector investment in full fibre broadband networks. On transport,

:42:33.:42:37.

I'm today announcing ?90 million for the North and ?23 million for the

:42:38.:42:43.

Midlands from a ?220 million fund that addresses pinchpoints on the

:42:44.:42:49.

national road network and I'm launching a ?690 million competition

:42:50.:42:54.

for local authorities across England to tackle urban congestion and get

:42:55.:42:57.

local transport networks moving again. My right honourable friend

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the Transport Secretary will announce details shortly.

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And because we believe local areas understand local productivity

:43:06.:43:07.

barriers better than central government, we make further progress

:43:08.:43:10.

with our plans to bolster the regions.

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In May, powerful mayors will be elected in six of our great cities.

:43:15.:43:19.

Across Britain, local areas will take control of their own economic

:43:20.:43:23.

destiny and we will support them to do so. I can inform the House that I

:43:24.:43:30.

have reached a deal with the Mayor of London on further devolution. I

:43:31.:43:34.

will follow the launch of the foreign powerhouse strategy at

:43:35.:43:37.

Autumn Statement by publishing tomorrow our Midlands energy are

:43:38.:43:42.

strategy, addressing productivity barriers across the Midlands.

:43:43.:43:50.

-- Midlands engine strategy. And for the desolved administrations, our

:43:51.:43:53.

announcements today deliver additional funding of ?350 million

:43:54.:43:57.

for the Scottish Government, ?200 million... #

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CHEERS Inaudible shouts

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Let's just move on. We are doing very W let's not spoil a good day.

:44:30.:44:32.

#k078 on, Chancellor of the Exchequer.

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-- come on. Wait for it. ?200 million for the Welsh Government.

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And almost ?120 million for an incoming Northern Ireland executive.

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Demonstrating, Mr Deputy Speaker, once again, that we are stronger

:44:49.:44:52.

together in this great United Kingdom.

:44:53.:45:03.

Mr Deputy Speaker, Mr Deputy Speaker, perhaps the single most

:45:04.:45:07.

important thing government can do to support ordinary working families is

:45:08.:45:11.

to invest in the future so that their children and grandchildren can

:45:12.:45:15.

make the most of the opportunities ahead. That means addressing the

:45:16.:45:20.

skills gap and ensuring that every child, regardless of background, has

:45:21.:45:23.

the opportunity to go to a good or outstanding school. At Autumn

:45:24.:45:30.

Statement, I focused on investment in infrastructure and R The next

:45:31.:45:34.

step today in our plan to raise productivity and living standards is

:45:35.:45:38.

to focus on the quality of our children's education. Mr Deputy

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Speaker, while investing in education and skills of course helps

:45:47.:45:49.

to tackle the productivity gap, delivering greater prosperity, it

:45:50.:45:54.

does something else as well. It delivers greater fairness. Because

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investing in skills and education is the key to inclusive growth, to an

:45:58.:46:03.

economy that works for everyone. Mr Deputy Speaker, if you talk to

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people from any background, in any part of the country, about their

:46:08.:46:11.

hopes and aspirations for the future, you will hear a recurring

:46:12.:46:15.

concern for the next generation # row will they have the

:46:16.:46:17.

qualifications to find a job, will it have the skills to retrain as

:46:18.:46:21.

that job changes and changes again over a working lifetime? Will they

:46:22.:46:26.

be able to get on the housing ladder, to save for a pension? In

:46:27.:46:29.

short, the question that concerns so many people is, will our children

:46:30.:46:34.

enjoy the same opportunities that we did. Mr Deputy Speaker, our job is

:46:35.:46:42.

to make sure that they do, and that is why we are investing in education

:46:43.:46:47.

and skills, to ensure that every young person, whatever their

:46:48.:46:51.

background, wherever they live, has the opportunity to succeed and

:46:52.:46:55.

prosper. The proportion of young people not in work or education is

:46:56.:47:00.

now the lowest since records began. That is a good base from which to

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build, but it is only by equipping them for the jobs of tomorrow that

:47:05.:47:08.

we ensure that they will have real economic security. We have put

:47:09.:47:12.

education reform at the heart of our agenda since 2010, and that

:47:13.:47:17.

commitment, that commitment is already paying off. 89% of schools

:47:18.:47:23.

in England are now rated good or outstanding, the highest proportion

:47:24.:47:27.

ever recorded. What that means, Mr Deputy Speaker, is 1.8 million more

:47:28.:47:31.

children being taught in good or outstanding schools than when the

:47:32.:47:38.

party opposite left office in 2010. Our forthcoming schools white paper

:47:39.:47:42.

will ask universities and private schools to sponsor new free schools.

:47:43.:47:47.

It will remove the barriers that prevent more good faith based free

:47:48.:47:51.

schools from opening and enable the creation of new selective free

:47:52.:47:54.

schools so that the most academically gifted children, of

:47:55.:47:59.

every background, get the specialist support they need to fulfil their

:48:00.:48:06.

potential. Today, I can announce funding for a further 110 new free

:48:07.:48:12.

schools, on top of the current commitment to 500. This will include

:48:13.:48:17.

new specialist maths schools to build on the clear success of Exeter

:48:18.:48:21.

mathematics school, and King's College London maths school, which

:48:22.:48:25.

my right honourable friend the Prime Minister visited earlier this week.

:48:26.:48:28.

We commit to this programme because we understand that choice is the key

:48:29.:48:39.

to excellence in education. But, Mr Deputy Speaker, we recognise that,

:48:40.:48:44.

for many parents, the cost of travel can be a barrier to exercising that

:48:45.:48:49.

choice. Pupils typically travel three times as far to attend

:48:50.:48:54.

selective schools, so we will extend free school transport to include all

:48:55.:48:59.

children on free school meals who attend a selective school, because

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we, Mr Deputy Speaker, are resolved that talent alone should determine

:49:08.:49:08.

the opportunities a child enjoys. And before they get too excited, Mr

:49:09.:49:23.

Deputy Speaker, we will invest in our existing schools too, by

:49:24.:49:26.

providing an additional, oh yes, we will, by providing an additional

:49:27.:49:34.

?216 million over the next three years, taking total investment in

:49:35.:49:39.

school condition to well over ?10 billion in this Parliament. Mr

:49:40.:49:45.

Deputy Speaker, good schools are the bedrock of our education system, but

:49:46.:49:50.

we need to do more to support our young adults into quality jobs and

:49:51.:49:53.

help them gain world class skills, and while we have academic wood that

:49:54.:49:58.

is one of the best in the world, the truth is that we languish near the

:49:59.:50:03.

bottom of the international league tables for technical education. Our

:50:04.:50:08.

rigorous, well-recognised system of A-levels provides students with the

:50:09.:50:14.

qualifications to move into our world-class higher education system,

:50:15.:50:17.

and we support these route further today by offering maintenance loans

:50:18.:50:21.

to part-time undergraduate and doctoral loans in all subjects for

:50:22.:50:26.

the first time. But long ago, Mr Deputy Speaker, our competitors in

:50:27.:50:30.

Germany, the US and elsewhere realised that, to compete in the

:50:31.:50:34.

fast-moving global economy, you have to link technical skills to jobs,

:50:35.:50:40.

and I am pleased to report, in National Apprenticeship Week, that

:50:41.:50:42.

our apprenticeship route is now finally delivering that ambition

:50:43.:50:47.

here, with 2.4 million apprenticeships started in the last

:50:48.:50:50.

Parliament, and with the launch of our apprenticeship levy in April

:50:51.:50:54.

supporting a further 3 million apprenticeships by 2020. But there

:50:55.:51:00.

is still a lingering doubt about the parity of esteem attaching to

:51:01.:51:06.

technical education pursued through the further education route. Today,

:51:07.:51:10.

we end that is doubtful good with the introduction of T-levels. Thanks

:51:11.:51:19.

to the work of Lord Sainsbury, Baroness will and other experts, we

:51:20.:51:23.

have a blueprint to follow. Their review concluded that students need

:51:24.:51:27.

a much clearer system of qualifications, one that is designed

:51:28.:51:30.

and recognised by employers with clear routes into work, more time in

:51:31.:51:34.

the classroom and good quality work placements. One that replaces the

:51:35.:51:40.

13,000 or so different qualifications with just 15 clear,

:51:41.:51:47.

career focused roots, delivering on those recommendations is the third

:51:48.:51:51.

part of our plan. So today we will invest to deliver in full these game

:51:52.:51:56.

changing reforms. We will increase by over 50% the number of hours'

:51:57.:52:03.

training for 16-19 -year-old technical students, including a

:52:04.:52:05.

high-quality three-month work placement for every student. So when

:52:06.:52:10.

they qualify, they are genuinely work ready. Once this programme is

:52:11.:52:17.

fully rolled out, Mr Deputy Speaker, we will be investing in an

:52:18.:52:21.

additional ?500 million a year in our 16-19 -year-olds, and to

:52:22.:52:24.

encourage and support the best of them to go on to advanced technical

:52:25.:52:30.

study, we will offer maintenance loans for those and taking higher

:52:31.:52:34.

level technical qualifications at the new Institute of Technology and

:52:35.:52:38.

national colleges, just as we do for those university. Putting the

:52:39.:52:45.

next-generation first to safeguard their future and secure our economy.

:52:46.:52:51.

Mr Deputy Speaker, because changing labour markets will mean that

:52:52.:52:55.

retraining is vital, with many of our young people today needing to

:52:56.:52:59.

retrain at least once, and perhaps more often during a working life

:53:00.:53:04.

that maize ban more than 50 years, we will consider how best to deliver

:53:05.:53:09.

high quality learning and training throughout working lives. The FA

:53:10.:53:14.

will invest up to ?40 million in pilots to test the fact is of

:53:15.:53:17.

different approaches to lifelong learning. -- DfE. So that we can

:53:18.:53:23.

identify what works best and help the next-generation learn train

:53:24.:53:28.

throughout their lives. Mr Deputy Speaker, just as the principle that

:53:29.:53:32.

every child should have the opportunity to fulfil his or her

:53:33.:53:36.

potential is central to this Government's values, so is the

:53:37.:53:40.

principle that everyone has access to our national Health Service when

:53:41.:53:44.

they needed and that everyone should enjoy security and dignity in old

:53:45.:53:51.

age. Today our social care system cares for over 1 million people, and

:53:52.:53:54.

I want to pay tribute to the hundreds of thousands of carers work

:53:55.:54:00.

in it. But the system is clearly under pressure, and this in turn

:54:01.:54:05.

puts pressure on our NHS. Today there are 500,000 more people aged

:54:06.:54:11.

over 75 than there were in 2010, and there will be 2 million more in ten

:54:12.:54:15.

years' time. That is why the Government has already delivered ?7

:54:16.:54:21.

billion extra spending power to the system over the next three years,

:54:22.:54:24.

and it is why we are ensuring that local authorities and the NHS work

:54:25.:54:28.

more closely together to enable elderly patients to be discharged

:54:29.:54:32.

when they are ready, freeing up precious NHS beds, and ensuring that

:54:33.:54:36.

elderly people are receiving the appropriate care for their needs. So

:54:37.:54:42.

today, Mr Deputy Speaker, I am committing additional grant funding

:54:43.:54:48.

of ?2 billion to social care in England over the next three years.

:54:49.:54:54.

Mr Deputy Speaker, that is ?2 billion over the next three years

:54:55.:55:03.

with ?1 billion available in 2017-18, this will allow local

:55:04.:55:07.

authorities to act now to commission new care packages and forms a bridge

:55:08.:55:13.

to the better care funding that becomes available towards the end of

:55:14.:55:17.

the parliament. Of course, Mr Deputy Speaker, this is not only about

:55:18.:55:22.

money. While there are many excellent examples of best practice

:55:23.:55:26.

around the country, at the other end of the scale, just 24 local

:55:27.:55:31.

authorities are responsible for over half of all delayed discharges to

:55:32.:55:37.

social care, so alongside additional funding, the health and communities

:55:38.:55:40.

secretaries will announce measures to identify and support authorities

:55:41.:55:43.

which are struggling and to ensure more joined up working with the NHS.

:55:44.:55:49.

These measures, and greater collaborative working and NHS

:55:50.:55:54.

sustainability and transformation plans, will bring short and

:55:55.:55:57.

medium-term benefits, but long-term challenges of sustainable funding

:55:58.:56:03.

for care in old age requires a strategic approach. And the

:56:04.:56:07.

Government will set out its thinking on the options for the future

:56:08.:56:10.

financing of social care in a green paper later this year. For the

:56:11.:56:16.

avoidance of doubt, Mr Deputy Speaker, I would like to make it

:56:17.:56:20.

clear that those options do not include, and never have included,

:56:21.:56:30.

exhuming Labour's hated death tax. The social care funding package that

:56:31.:56:34.

I have announced today will deliver immediate benefit to the NHS,

:56:35.:56:38.

allowing it to refocus on delivering the NHS England forward Plan A plan

:56:39.:56:44.

which this Government has supported with the ?10 billion increase in

:56:45.:56:50.

annual funding by 2020, ?4 billion in this year alone. We recognise the

:56:51.:56:57.

progress that the NHS is making in developing sustainability and

:56:58.:57:00.

transformation plans, and we recognise too, Mr Deputy Speaker,

:57:01.:57:04.

that in addition to the funding already committed, some of those

:57:05.:57:08.

plans will require further capital investment. So the Treasury will

:57:09.:57:11.

work closely with the Department of Health over the summer, as the

:57:12.:57:17.

programmes are prioritised and progress, and that autumn budget, I

:57:18.:57:20.

will announce a multi-year capital programme to support implementation

:57:21.:57:27.

of high-quality STPs across the health service in England. In the

:57:28.:57:31.

meantime, my right honourable friend the Health Secretary expects that a

:57:32.:57:35.

small number of the strongest STPs may be ready ahead of autumn budget,

:57:36.:57:44.

so I am allowing more capital to allow the first selected plans to

:57:45.:57:48.

proceed. Mr Deputy Speaker, I have one further announcement relating to

:57:49.:57:53.

the NHS. The social care package that I have announced today will

:57:54.:57:58.

help to free up beds by easing discharge of elderly patients. That

:57:59.:58:01.

is one of the two big pressures in our hospitals. The other is

:58:02.:58:05.

inappropriate A attendances by people of all ages. Experience has

:58:06.:58:12.

shown that on-site GP triage in A departments can have a significant

:58:13.:58:17.

and positive impact on A waiting times. I am therefore making a

:58:18.:58:22.

further ?100 million of capital available immediately for new triage

:58:23.:58:28.

project at English hospitals in time for next winter. Mr Deputy Speaker,

:58:29.:58:35.

this government backs the NHS's plan. We are funding it with a ?10

:58:36.:58:40.

billion above inflation increase by 2020. We have addressed the

:58:41.:58:44.

pressures on the NHS from the social care system with a total of ?9.25

:58:45.:58:49.

billion additional resources. We will protect the NHS from the

:58:50.:58:53.

effects of the changed personal injury discount rate and have set

:58:54.:58:58.

aside ?5.9 billion across the forecast period to do so. And today

:58:59.:59:05.

we have made it clear them up -- a clear new commitment to a capital

:59:06.:59:08.

programme to find high-quality STPs with the first down payment for the

:59:09.:59:13.

early pioneers. Mr Deputy Speaker, as the voters of Copeland so clearly

:59:14.:59:19.

understood, we are the party of the NHS!

:59:20.:59:26.

Mr Deputy Speaker, we are the party of the NHS colours we have not just

:59:27.:59:32.

the commitment and the will, but also the economic plan that will

:59:33.:59:37.

secure the future of our most important public service. Mr Deputy

:59:38.:59:45.

Speaker, last November, I set out our plan to build an economy that

:59:46.:59:50.

works for everyone, to enhance our productivity and protect our living

:59:51.:59:54.

standards, to restore our public finances to balance, and to invest

:59:55.:00:00.

for our future. Today's OBR report confirms the continued resilience of

:00:01.:00:05.

the British economy, and that this Budget we continue with our plan,

:00:06.:00:09.

building on the foundation of our economic strength, reaching out to

:00:10.:00:15.

seize the opportunities that lie ahead, backing our public services,

:00:16.:00:20.

supporting Britain's families, investing in the skills of our young

:00:21.:00:24.

people, and making Britain the best place in the world to do business.

:00:25.:00:30.

Mr Deputy Speaker, our United Kingdom has a proud history - we

:00:31.:00:36.

have done remarkable things together. But we look forwards, not

:00:37.:00:41.

backwards, confident that our greatest achievements are ahead of

:00:42.:00:47.

us. Today we reaffirm our commitment to invest in Britain's future, and

:00:48.:00:51.

we embark on this next chapter of our history confident in our

:00:52.:00:58.

strengths and clear in our determination to build a stronger,

:00:59.:01:01.

there, better Britain. I commend this Budget to the House.

:01:02.:01:09.

STUDIO: The Chancellor, Philip Hammond, the conclusion of his first

:01:10.:01:12.

Budget speech. We will be back in the Commons in a moment, because, of

:01:13.:01:17.

course, we will get the response from Labour's Jeremy Corbyn, who was

:01:18.:01:22.

the butt of quite a few criticisms there from the Chancellor as he went

:01:23.:01:25.

through the statement. Let's look at some of the main measures quickly

:01:26.:01:29.

before we go back to the Commons. They include ?2 billion of

:01:30.:01:32.

additional funding over three years for adult social care in England.

:01:33.:01:36.

That's been one of the main focuses over the past few months. The

:01:37.:01:40.

pressure on the social care system. He has allocated an extra ?2 billion

:01:41.:01:44.

over three years. Big changes in national insurance, because the

:01:45.:01:46.

national insurance for self-employed workers is to increase by 1% to 10%

:01:47.:01:49.

in April 2018 and again after that. workers is to increase by 1% to 10%

:01:50.:01:52.

in April 2018 and again after that. There will be talk about that. We

:01:53.:01:56.

will discuss it here in the studio and of course on business rates,

:01:57.:02:00.

because lots of businesses, concerned after the revaluation

:02:01.:02:04.

about the impact, ?1,000 business rate discount for pubs in England

:02:05.:02:09.

with the rateable value of under ?100,000, that accounts for 90% or

:02:10.:02:13.

so of all the pubs in England. It affects lots of them. Let's look at

:02:14.:02:20.

the other main measures: ?300 million for businesses facing large

:02:21.:02:28.

rates increases. A reduction of tax redifficultened allowance for ?5,000

:02:29.:02:31.

to ?2,000 in April 2018. That will affect directors who are

:02:32.:02:35.

shareholders and the sugar tax levy confirmed at 18 p and 24 p per later

:02:36.:02:40.

for main and higher bands. Those are the main measures. Now we will go

:02:41.:02:45.

back into the chamber. The Deputy Speaker is basically going through

:02:46.:02:49.

some of the financial measures, some of the technical demands on the

:02:50.:02:51.

House at this point. I think of the technical demands on the

:02:52.:02:55.

House at this point. I think that Labour's Jeremy Corbyn will be on

:02:56.:03:00.

his feet within a few seconds. Maybe time for a comment from Laura?

:03:01.:03:04.

Interesting to see Philip Hammond, normally a very dead pan politician

:03:05.:03:09.

feeling relaxed and confident enough to be frequently cracking jokes

:03:10.:03:11.

throughout that Budget. Very interesting indeed. The big

:03:12.:03:15.

challenge is whether the rhetoric - we heard lots of the use of the word

:03:16.:03:20.

"fairness", matches the reality. This was a Budget of utter

:03:21.:03:23.

complacency about the state of our economy. Utter complacency about the

:03:24.:03:31.

crisis facing our public services and, complacent about the reality of

:03:32.:03:35.

daily life for millions of people in this country. Entirely out of touch

:03:36.:03:41.

with that reality of life for millions. This morning, over ?1

:03:42.:03:49.

million workers will have woken up, not knowing whether they'll work

:03:50.:03:54.

today, tomorrow or next week. Millions more workers know their

:03:55.:03:58.

next pay packet will not be enough to make ends meet. Millions

:03:59.:04:05.

struggling to pay rent or mortgage, with private renters, on average,

:04:06.:04:08.

paying nearly half their income on rent. Yesterday, Mr Deputy Speaker,

:04:09.:04:15.

over 3,000 people in this country will have queued up at food banks to

:04:16.:04:22.

feed themselves and their families. Last night, Mr Deputy Speaker over

:04:23.:04:27.

4,000 people will have slept rough on the streets of this country. And

:04:28.:04:33.

the Chancellor made his boast about a strong economy. But who is reaping

:04:34.:04:39.

the rewards of this economy? For millions, it is simply not working.

:04:40.:04:45.

Not working for the NHS. In its worse crisis ever, with funding

:04:46.:04:51.

being cut next year. Not working for our children's schools. Not working

:04:52.:04:57.

for our children's schools, where pupil funding continues to be cut.

:04:58.:05:03.

Not work for our neighbourhoods which have lost 20,000 police

:05:04.:05:08.

officers. Leaving the force in a perilous state in many parts of the

:05:09.:05:15.

country. And not working for our dedicated public services and the

:05:16.:05:20.

people who work in them. Nurses, firefighters, teachers, no pay rise

:05:21.:05:26.

for seven years for them. And for people with disabilities,

:05:27.:05:31.

who are twice as lakely to be living in poverty -- twice as likely, and

:05:32.:05:36.

this Government is denying them the support that the courts say they

:05:37.:05:41.

need. 4 million children living in poverty which will rise by another 1

:05:42.:05:46.

million in coming years. Not working for the thousands of young people,

:05:47.:05:49.

who can't get anywhere to live, can't get on the housing ladder and

:05:50.:05:54.

cannot, in many cases, leave the parental home.

:05:55.:05:59.

Parents of grown-up children, who would expect to be debt-free by now,

:06:00.:06:04.

but having to bail out student debt or try to help with a deposit to get

:06:05.:06:11.

housing, if they can manage it and a million elderly people and I'll come

:06:12.:06:14.

on to this again, denied the social care they need due to the ?4.6

:06:15.:06:18.

billion cuts made by his Government with the support of the Liberal

:06:19.:06:23.

Democrats over the past five years. Not for pensioners, for whom the

:06:24.:06:27.

security of the triple lock remains in doubt. Mr Deputy Speaker, that is

:06:28.:06:35.

the reality facing Britain today. A Government cutting services, and

:06:36.:06:39.

living standards of the many, top fund and continue to fund the tax

:06:40.:06:44.

cuts of the few. There are some people, Mr Deputy Speaker, who are

:06:45.:06:48.

doing very well under the Conservative Government. The chief

:06:49.:06:55.

executives of big companies, now paid 180 times more than the average

:06:56.:07:01.

worker and taxed less. Big corporations making higher

:07:02.:07:06.

profits than being taxed less. Speculators making more and being

:07:07.:07:10.

taxed less. And wealthiest families taxed less,

:07:11.:07:23.

due to cuts in inheritance tax. A give way to those who need it the

:07:24.:07:27.

least. This Government is a Government with the wrong priority.

:07:28.:07:31.

Let me give you three examples: The pain of losing a child is

:07:32.:07:36.

unimaginable for most of us. But for those who do that, that pain is

:07:37.:07:42.

worsened by the stress of having to pay for their own child's funeral. I

:07:43.:07:47.

pay tribute to my friend, the member for Swansea East, for her campaign

:07:48.:07:51.

to establish a Children's Funeral Fund but far from establishing such

:07:52.:07:56.

a fund costing just ?10 million a year, the Government is instead

:07:57.:07:58.

cutting support for bereaved families. Three in four bereaved

:07:59.:08:03.

families will receive less. This is utterly the whatless.

:08:04.:08:08.

Despite generous tax give-aways at the top end, there was no money,

:08:09.:08:13.

either for the 160,000 people with disabilities that a court has ruled

:08:14.:08:18.

deserve a higher rate of personal independence payments. These are

:08:19.:08:23.

people with debilitating mental health conditions. Dementia,

:08:24.:08:29.

schizophrenia, post-traumatic stress disorder. The Prime Minister came to

:08:30.:08:36.

office talking about fighting burning injustices. Less than nine

:08:37.:08:40.

months later she seems to have forgotten all about them because

:08:41.:08:45.

none of them are being fought today. Low pay holds people back and it is

:08:46.:08:52.

holding our country back. We are the only major developed country in

:08:53.:08:56.

which economic growth has returned, yet workers are worse off, wages are

:08:57.:09:03.

still below the 2008 level. Inflation rising, an urgent need to

:09:04.:09:07.

address the pressure on people's incomes. Massively rising personal

:09:08.:09:13.

debts. Rising energy bills and the cost of the weekly shop, transport

:09:14.:09:17.

costs and housing costs all rising. The Chancellor faced a series of

:09:18.:09:20.

tests as to whether he would stand on the same side of the people or

:09:21.:09:25.

not. He could have raised the minimum wage to the level of the

:09:26.:09:30.

living wage. The real living wage of ?10 per hour, as we, the Labour

:09:31.:09:36.

Party are pledged to do. It would pay for a pay rise for 6

:09:37.:09:42.

million people in this country, 62% of whom are women. He failed to do

:09:43.:09:49.

that. Since 2010, millions of public sector workers have endured a pay

:09:50.:09:56.

freeze and then a pay cut. Dedicated public servants who keep our

:09:57.:10:01.

services going, have lost over 9% of their real wages, or will have done

:10:02.:10:05.

by 2020. He could have ended the public

:10:06.:10:12.

sector pay cut, as we are pledged to do, and given a pay rise to 5

:10:13.:10:17.

million dedicated public servants who we all rely on day-in, day-out

:10:18.:10:21.

in our hospitals, our health service in general and our local government.

:10:22.:10:27.

He failed to do that. It's an insult to say they deserve falling living

:10:28.:10:32.

standards when we all know those in the public sector are working harder

:10:33.:10:35.

than ever, covering the jobs of those that have gone. There is a

:10:36.:10:39.

crisis, too, Mr Deputy Speaker in job security. Millions of workers

:10:40.:10:47.

don't know whether or not they'll be working from day to day. Millions of

:10:48.:10:53.

workers who don't know how many hours they'll be working this week

:10:54.:10:58.

or next week. Just imagine what it's like to try and plan your life if

:10:59.:11:04.

you don't know what your income is going to be from one week to the

:11:05.:11:11.

other. Because, Mr Deputy Speaker, that is the reality... Order. Can I

:11:12.:11:18.

just say to these benches, I want to hear the Leader of the Opposition. I

:11:19.:11:22.

don't want him shouted down because you may not be interested but our

:11:23.:11:27.

constituents out there want it hear what the alternative is. -- want to

:11:28.:11:32.

hear. If the whip wants to be funny he can

:11:33.:11:38.

go and get a cup of tea now. So, let's just show the same respect

:11:39.:11:42.

that was given to the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

:11:43.:11:43.

Jeremy Corbyn. Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker. There is nothing funny

:11:44.:11:48.

about being one of 900,000 workers on zero hours contracts. 55% of them

:11:49.:11:53.

women. He could have announced ban on zero hours contracts, as we are

:11:54.:11:59.

pledged to do. Again, he failed. But zero hours contracts, Mr Deputy

:12:00.:12:02.

Speaker, are only the tip of an iceberg. 4.5 million workers in

:12:03.:12:10.

Britain, in insecure work. 2.3 million working variable shift

:12:11.:12:14.

patterns, 1.1 million on temporary contracts. We have long argued to

:12:15.:12:19.

clamp-down on bogus self-employment but today the Chancellor seems to

:12:20.:12:24.

put the burden on self-employed workers instead. There has to be

:12:25.:12:31.

something for something deal, so I hope the Chancellor will bring

:12:32.:12:33.

forward extra Social Security in return. One policy that Labour

:12:34.:12:39.

backed, extending statutory maternity pay it self-employed

:12:40.:12:44.

women, which is likely to cost just ?10 million per year. -- to

:12:45.:12:49.

self-employed women. Low pay and insecure work have consequences for

:12:50.:12:53.

us all. Mr Deputy Speaker, in reality we all pay for low pay.

:12:54.:12:56.

There are a million working households having to claim housing

:12:57.:13:06.

benefited. Just get that figure. 1 million working households claiming

:13:07.:13:08.

housing benefit because their wages aren't enough to pay the rent and 3

:13:09.:13:13.

million working families who simply rely on tax credits to make ends

:13:14.:13:17.

meet. This is modern Britain. The most effective way of boosting wages

:13:18.:13:23.

and increasing job security, as all studies show, is actually to improve

:13:24.:13:26.

collective bargaining through a trade union. Words that the

:13:27.:13:31.

Chancellor did not use in his speech. But instead of a trade union

:13:32.:13:38.

act we have, which will further Shackell unions and perpetuate

:13:39.:13:41.

chronic low pay, which actually costs us all a lot of money through

:13:42.:13:47.

in-work benefits, we will promote collective bargaining and repeal the

:13:48.:13:55.

Trade Union Act. This is a Chancellor and a Government not on

:13:56.:13:59.

the side of the workers, not on the side of the tax payers who pick up

:14:00.:14:03.

the bill for low pay and insecure work. Mr Deputy Speaker, on

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International Women's Day, did the Chancellor deliver a Budget that

:14:07.:14:15.

works for women? According to the House of Commons' library analysis,

:14:16.:14:17.

commissioned by my friend, the member for Rotherham, who is doing a

:14:18.:14:23.

brilliant job speaking up for women from our front benches, 86% of the

:14:24.:14:28.

savings the Treasury has made from tax and benefits have fallen on

:14:29.:14:32.

women. Women's lives have been made more difficult through successive

:14:33.:14:38.

policies of this Government. Women struggling with more caring

:14:39.:14:41.

responsibility, due to the continuing state of emergency in

:14:42.:14:51.

social care. The Waspie women, born in the 1950s, who with little notice

:14:52.:14:54.

facing a crisis in retirement they could not possibly have predicted.

:14:55.:14:59.

54,000 women a year are forced out of their jobs through maternity

:15:00.:15:03.

discrimination. They can't afford this Government's extortionate fees,

:15:04.:15:07.

to take their employer to a tribunal in search of justice. Women up and

:15:08.:15:13.

down the country, who will have to wait another 60 years before the

:15:14.:15:17.

gender pay gap is closed. The hundreds, hundreds of women being

:15:18.:15:22.

turned away from domestic violence shelters every year, through lack of

:15:23.:15:27.

space or appropriate services, or because they have simply been

:15:28.:15:31.

closed. Mothers struggling, put under more pressure through cuts to

:15:32.:15:33.

Universal Credit and tax credits. If this wasn't bad enough, to cut

:15:34.:15:45.

tax credits for children who are born third or fourth in a family.

:15:46.:15:49.

Most shamefully, Mr Deputy Speaker, as of next month, women will have to

:15:50.:15:53.

prove that their third child is a product of rape if they wish to

:15:54.:15:57.

qualify for a child tax credits for that child. I paid tribute to my

:15:58.:16:03.

friend the member for Rotherham, and the honourable member for Glasgow

:16:04.:16:07.

Central, for their campaigning on this issue. I hope the Chancellor

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will reverse this cut. There is, Mr Deputy Speaker, a housing crisis, a

:16:16.:16:21.

crisis of supply and affordability. Since 2010, house building has

:16:22.:16:25.

fallen to its lowest rate in peace time since the 1920s. The building

:16:26.:16:29.

of social homes for rent is at its lowest level for a quarter of a

:16:30.:16:35.

century. Did he empower councils to tackle the housing crisis by

:16:36.:16:38.

allowing them to borrow to build council housing, as we are pledged

:16:39.:16:42.

to do? No! Have they replace council houses sold under right to buy, as

:16:43.:16:47.

they promised? No! Just one in six have been replaced! And was there

:16:48.:16:52.

any commitment to return to the council is the ?800 million right to

:16:53.:16:58.

buy proceeds the Treasury has taken back which would build 12,000 homes?

:16:59.:17:02.

No. Did he scrapped the unfair bedroom tax, as we are pledged to

:17:03.:17:08.

do? No. Did he reverse housing benefit cuts that would take support

:17:09.:17:13.

away from 10,000 young people, despite the opposition of Shelter,

:17:14.:17:18.

Crisis and centre point, which even the honourable member for Enfield

:17:19.:17:21.

Southgate correctly described as catastrophic? Last week, the

:17:22.:17:27.

Institute for Government said there were clear warning signs of the

:17:28.:17:31.

damaging impact of government cuts on schools, prisons, health and

:17:32.:17:34.

social care. This government has taken a sledgehammer to public

:17:35.:17:38.

services in recent years. The Chancellor now expects praise for

:17:39.:17:41.

patching up a small part of that damage. The Budget did not provide

:17:42.:17:47.

the funding necessary now for the crisis in our NHS. The BMA reckons

:17:48.:17:54.

it needs a next ?10 billion. It didn't provide the funding necessary

:17:55.:17:58.

to end the state of emergency and social care now, which needs to

:17:59.:18:04.

billion pounds a year just to plug the gaps, according to the King's

:18:05.:18:11.

Fund. That is not met by ?2 billion over three years. The money is

:18:12.:18:16.

needed now. More than 1 million people, mainly elderly people,

:18:17.:18:20.

desperate for social care, still can't get it. The money ought to be

:18:21.:18:26.

made available now. Because this government ducks really tough

:18:27.:18:30.

choices, like asking corporations to pay a little bit more in tax. Not

:18:31.:18:36.

every local authority can just text Neck and get the deal they won't!

:18:37.:18:41.

Another council services are suffering as well. Our communities

:18:42.:18:48.

are stronger when we have good libraries, and they are valuable,

:18:49.:18:52.

obviously for children, but for the entire community. 67 closed last

:18:53.:18:55.

year because of local government underfunding. 700 sure start centres

:18:56.:19:03.

closed because of lack of funding from local authorities, denying the

:19:04.:19:06.

life chances that a Labour government delivered to them with

:19:07.:19:10.

the opening of those centres in the 1990s. And 600 youth centres have

:19:11.:19:17.

closed as well. These painful decisions are being taken by

:19:18.:19:23.

councils not because they want to do it but because they don't enough

:19:24.:19:25.

money even to keep essential services running because of the

:19:26.:19:30.

slashing of their budgets year-on-year. And it goes on! It

:19:31.:19:34.

affect our communities and our lives in so many ways. Last year, councils

:19:35.:19:38.

proposed a sell-off of school playing fields to the equivalent of

:19:39.:19:44.

500 football pitches. 500 pitches not available for young people to

:19:45.:19:50.

indulge in sport. It is our duty as a community, surely, to ensure all

:19:51.:19:53.

our young people, wherever they live, have a decent chance to grow

:19:54.:19:56.

up with a library, with a playing field, with a Sure Start centre. It

:19:57.:20:03.

is not a lot to ask. The Chancellor boasts, Mr Deputy Speaker, of a

:20:04.:20:07.

strong economy, but abandons the target of the previous Chancellor,

:20:08.:20:11.

so let's give a more realistic context to today's figures. The

:20:12.:20:16.

deficits that was going to be eradicated in 2015, you all remember

:20:17.:20:21.

the long-term economic plan? The debt was going to peak at 80% of GDP

:20:22.:20:27.

and then start falling. Our economy is not prepared for Brexit. We still

:20:28.:20:33.

have an economy suffering from underinvestment and an overreliance

:20:34.:20:37.

on consumer spending and wholly unsustainable levels of personal and

:20:38.:20:43.

household debt. Investment must be evenly spread around our country.

:20:44.:20:47.

Despite the announcements today, London continues to receive six

:20:48.:20:54.

times as much investment as the north-east, and so that is why

:20:55.:20:58.

Labour is backing the fair funding formula for investment so that every

:20:59.:21:03.

area gets its fair share of capital spending. What has been announced

:21:04.:21:07.

today doesn't achieve that. You can't build a Northern Powerhouse or

:21:08.:21:12.

a Midlands Engine if the investment does not follow the sound bite. Our

:21:13.:21:16.

country currently spends 1.7% on research and development, well below

:21:17.:21:21.

the OECD average. The strongest economies spend over 3%. In the

:21:22.:21:26.

immediate term, and the Chancellor did not have much to say about this,

:21:27.:21:31.

he must focus his attention is on the precarious future of skilled

:21:32.:21:35.

workers and' jobs at Vauxhall in Ellesmere port in Luton and Ford in

:21:36.:21:45.

Bridgend. It would give these companies more confidence if the

:21:46.:21:48.

Government were committed to negotiating for tariff free access

:21:49.:21:51.

to the single market and dropped the reckless threat of turning Britain

:21:52.:21:53.

into a tax saving on the shores of Europe. One of the biggest

:21:54.:21:58.

challenges facing our country, Mr Deputy Speaker, is environmental, it

:21:59.:22:03.

is climate change. This government is failing to lead, failing to drive

:22:04.:22:08.

a mission led industrial strategy as our own business select committee

:22:09.:22:13.

has recommended. The Chancellor failed to make energy efficiency a

:22:14.:22:17.

National Infrastructure Plan and the. No commitment to establishing

:22:18.:22:21.

zero carbon standards on new building, and unclear about

:22:22.:22:26.

investments in public transport that will definitely reduce pollution.

:22:27.:22:32.

The poor air quality is appalling. It is killing thousands of people in

:22:33.:22:36.

this country. It is taking away the life chances of many children

:22:37.:22:41.

growing up alongside polluted roads. The good work being done by Labour's

:22:42.:22:46.

London Marathon, Sadiq Khan, the good work being done by the Labour

:22:47.:22:50.

government, has recognised this as an urgent public health crisis,

:22:51.:22:54.

particularly for children. We have to deal with this crisis and deal

:22:55.:23:01.

with it urgently. There cannot be, Mr Deputy Speaker, an industrial

:23:02.:23:04.

strategy or productivity gains unless there is serious investment

:23:05.:23:09.

in skills. Adult skills training cut by 54%, further education by 14%,

:23:10.:23:13.

and the small amounts committed today are long overdue but woefully

:23:14.:23:19.

insufficient. Over the coming years, the schools budget is being cut by

:23:20.:23:24.

8%. Does the Chancellor really want fewer teachers and teaching

:23:25.:23:27.

assistants, larger classes, shorter schooldays? Which is it? I agree

:23:28.:23:31.

with the Prime Minister that every child deserves a decent education,

:23:32.:23:34.

every community deserves decent schools. You do it by working with

:23:35.:23:40.

those communities to provide those schools, not blogging into them

:23:41.:23:43.

selective schools which are not being demanded by those communities.

:23:44.:23:47.

The money announced by the Prime Minister yesterday for the new

:23:48.:23:51.

grammar schools is frankly a vanity project. Cancel this gimmick,

:23:52.:23:55.

project selection and segregation, and why not honour their own 2050

:23:56.:24:01.

manifesto pledge to protect per-pupil funding, which is clearly

:24:02.:24:06.

not happening? -- 2015. This is a Budget that lacks ambition for this

:24:07.:24:10.

country and lacks fairness. It demonstrates again the appalling

:24:11.:24:13.

priorities of this government, another year, tax breaks for the

:24:14.:24:17.

few, public service cuts for the many. When she took office, the

:24:18.:24:21.

Prime Minister said, if you are one of those families, if you are just

:24:22.:24:25.

managing, I want to address you directly. This Budget does not

:24:26.:24:30.

address them, it failed them! This Budget has done nothing to tackle

:24:31.:24:36.

low play, to solve the state of emergency that persists for so many

:24:37.:24:38.

people, demanding and needing health and social care now. And nothing to

:24:39.:24:45.

make a fair economy truly working for everyone. It is built on

:24:46.:24:49.

unfairness, and it is built on failure to tackle an fairness in our

:24:50.:24:57.

society. Andrew Tyrie! STUDIO: Jeremy Corbyn, the Leader of

:24:58.:25:01.

the Opposition, with his response, basically saying that he says there

:25:02.:25:04.

is a crisis in public services which has not been addressed by this

:25:05.:25:10.

Budget. We will put those points to the Chief Secretary, David Gauke,

:25:11.:25:14.

when he joins us later, and John McDonnell will be with us too. There

:25:15.:25:21.

will be a long debate. Days on the Budget, and if you want

:25:22.:25:25.

uninterrupted coverage, you can go to our colleagues on BBC Parliament.

:25:26.:25:32.

I think it is a good moment now to take us through the Budget measures,

:25:33.:25:36.

quite a few of them, and we will go through those before we have a chat

:25:37.:25:41.

in the studio with our colleagues, and indeed with Paul Johnson from

:25:42.:25:44.

the Institute for Fiscal Studies, who has joined us. We have taken

:25:45.:25:50.

delivery of the Red Book, I think it is there to say it is slimmer than

:25:51.:25:55.

usual! Is that fair to say? Much slimmer than usual! Only 64 pages.

:25:56.:26:03.

There are 77 measures in the 2016 budget, 28 in this one. Go I feel I

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will probably mention those 28, let's have a look at those measures.

:26:12.:26:20.

A significant upgrading then a slight downgrade in growth, so that

:26:21.:26:27.

forecast slightly adjusted, but as I say, this year has been upgraded by

:26:28.:26:33.

a bit. Let's go on to the borrowing forecasts, and a significant

:26:34.:26:39.

reduction, in fact, in the forecast for 2016-17, at 51 billion. But then

:26:40.:26:44.

we see the figures going on, no balancing of the books, as we see,

:26:45.:26:48.

by the end of the parliament, but tapering away to 16 billion, that is

:26:49.:26:52.

the latest borrowing forecast by 2021-22. We will be asking Paul to

:26:53.:26:58.

tell us more about that. Let's talk about debt, 86.6% of GDP in 2016-17,

:26:59.:27:04.

going down gradually, according to these latest forecasts, to 79.8% by

:27:05.:27:11.

2021-22. That is the broad picture in terms of debt and borrowing and

:27:12.:27:16.

the growth forecasts. Let's go on some measures, some policies. Health

:27:17.:27:21.

and social care, well, this was one of the major announcements today,

:27:22.:27:24.

after all the talk of pressure on the social care system in England,

:27:25.:27:28.

an announcement to do with England. ?2 billion of additional funding

:27:29.:27:32.

over three years for the social care system in England, is that enough?

:27:33.:27:36.

Well, we will be talking to some people later and asking if it

:27:37.:27:39.

answers the needs. Jeremy Corbyn doesn't think it does. Annexed the

:27:40.:27:48.

?100 million to place GPs in A departments next winter. -- an extra

:27:49.:27:52.

?100 million. The Chancellor says that is to address the fact that

:27:53.:27:55.

many people turn up inappropriately for treatment at A departments. An

:27:56.:28:05.

extra ?325 million for the first NHS sustainability and transformation

:28:06.:28:08.

plans to be implemented, again, some of these reforms coming in to try to

:28:09.:28:11.

deal with the pressures, the very real pressures within the NHS

:28:12.:28:18.

system. Let's look at some tax changes. Well, national insurance

:28:19.:28:22.

for self-employed workers to rise to 10% in April 20 11% in April 20 19.

:28:23.:28:27.

I think it is there to say this will be a controversial change, simply

:28:28.:28:32.

because there are lots of people saying this is a direct

:28:33.:28:37.

contravention of a promise made in the Conservative manifesto, not to

:28:38.:28:42.

raise any of the taxes, VAT, income tax, national insurance. We will ask

:28:43.:28:45.

the Minister about that. The tax-free dividend allowance cut two

:28:46.:28:52.

?2000, that is to do with company directors and the advantages they

:28:53.:28:55.

get. And any personal tax-free allowance is to rise, as planned,

:28:56.:29:01.

?12,500 by 2020. Business rates, Simon was talking about these

:29:02.:29:05.

earlier, people wanting help with their rising business rates. There

:29:06.:29:09.

will be ?300 million fund for businesses facing big increases to

:29:10.:29:14.

their rates bills. Pubs in England, ?1000 discount for pubs with a

:29:15.:29:18.

rateable value under ?100,000, the vast majority of pubs in England,

:29:19.:29:24.

well over 90% getting that discount. And firms losing small business rate

:29:25.:29:28.

relief will have a cap, their increases will be capped at ?50 per

:29:29.:29:34.

month. All of that is meant to help, we will ask Simon whether it will do

:29:35.:29:37.

the trick, and given what he has been told by people in business

:29:38.:29:41.

about that. Money for the devolved administrations - an extra ?350

:29:42.:29:49.

million for the Scottish Government, an extra ?2 million for the Welsh

:29:50.:29:54.

blood, ?120 million or thereabouts for the Northern Ireland executive,

:29:55.:30:01.

when there is one in place. Then ?690 million competition launched

:30:02.:30:05.

for local councils to tackle urban congestion. Those are the packages

:30:06.:30:08.

not just for the devolved nations but for local authorities too.

:30:09.:30:22.

110 new free schools will get funding. There's an introduction of

:30:23.:30:33.

what we call T-levels to raise the status of technical educational

:30:34.:30:37.

vocation. The Chancellor said that was a matter of priority for him.

:30:38.:30:42.

Some other measures, the last set, as I go through the Budget measures

:30:43.:30:46.

today, the National savings bond will be available from April, at

:30:47.:30:51.

this time of very low interest rates, it will pay 2.2% interest on

:30:52.:30:58.

deposits up to ?3000. The receipts to fund a further ?12 million for

:30:59.:31:04.

women's charities on sanitary products. And some ?200 million to

:31:05.:31:10.

encourage investment in local full fibre broadband networks. Even a

:31:11.:31:13.

question at Prime Minister's Questions today about the quality of

:31:14.:31:17.

broadband networks, especially in rural areas, so ?200 million to

:31:18.:31:19.

encourage investment there. That is a broad sense of where we

:31:20.:31:28.

are and there were some eye-catching proposals from the Chancellor, not

:31:29.:31:32.

least to do with social care and the changes in national insurance. We

:31:33.:31:36.

will talk to Paul with us, but Laura, I'm going to start with you.

:31:37.:31:42.

On the political side, there's a broader picture clearly but can we

:31:43.:31:45.

deal with the issue of manifesto pledges which may or may not have

:31:46.:31:50.

been broken? In national insurance terms, what is your view? As simply

:31:51.:31:55.

as I can, the Tory manifesto promised no increases in income tax,

:31:56.:32:00.

VAT or national insurance rates. In the Budget today, Philip Hammond has

:32:01.:32:03.

gone against the spirit of the pledge, absolutely, no question

:32:04.:32:07.

about that because he has increased what is known as class for national

:32:08.:32:12.

insurance payments, they will go up from 9% to 11% by 2018. Where the

:32:13.:32:16.

Treasury will try to get itself off the hook on what I would describe as

:32:17.:32:23.

a technicality is when that manifesto pledge was put into law,

:32:24.:32:26.

the law that was passed referred only to a different class of

:32:27.:32:28.

national insurance payments. What ended up in black and white in

:32:29.:32:31.

legislation was a narrower promise than the Tory manifesto but if you

:32:32.:32:37.

are only picking up the Tory manifesto and having a look he will

:32:38.:32:40.

bring Philip Hammond has gone against it and I think that might be

:32:41.:32:43.

a bit itchy politically but the scale of the measure overall might

:32:44.:32:47.

mean they get off the hook? The broader picture, what did you make

:32:48.:32:51.

of the statement itself in what it said about where the government

:32:52.:32:56.

thinks it is? Safety first is really the headline from this. Philip

:32:57.:32:59.

Hammond tiptoed through the controversial area of Brexit but

:33:00.:33:03.

only at the beginning. He basically said it is the broad canvas but I

:33:04.:33:06.

think quite deliberately chose not to make lots of references to what

:33:07.:33:10.

happens when we leave the European Union or before then threw his

:33:11.:33:15.

statement. I think basically he gave moderately with one hand and took

:33:16.:33:19.

away moderately with the other. What I do think is worth drawing from

:33:20.:33:23.

that is the emerging picture of what people at the top of government hope

:33:24.:33:29.

people will come to see, they hope, is sort of Theresa May's

:33:30.:33:32.

meritocracy. There is one phrase he used that stuck in my mind, he said,

:33:33.:33:37.

"We believe talent should be the only driver", so whether that is

:33:38.:33:41.

improving access to further education, better skills, trying to

:33:42.:33:46.

help people who are, as Theresa May would say, getting on with it, with

:33:47.:33:50.

something like the small print clause, the kind of things that

:33:51.:33:54.

really make consumers mad, I think that emerging jigsaw of the overall

:33:55.:33:58.

ethos was in there. But the real challenge is whether that matches up

:33:59.:34:03.

to how people actually feel in terms of the economy. Labour already

:34:04.:34:06.

pointing out a couple of things, they have gone through the numbers,

:34:07.:34:10.

that real household income has been revised down on average, they are

:34:11.:34:13.

forecasting people will be worse off cumulatively over the next five

:34:14.:34:17.

years, to use of Labour's numbers and they have pointed out the

:34:18.:34:22.

National Living Wage was meant to be ?9 by 2020 and today it has been

:34:23.:34:28.

suggested it will only be ?8.75. As ever, rhetoric, reality, where do we

:34:29.:34:32.

end up? Paul Cole your day, there were some big numbers in terms of

:34:33.:34:35.

the growth forecast and all the rest it but what caught your eye? The

:34:36.:34:40.

first thing is the big change in the public finances for this year

:34:41.:34:44.

relative to what the Office for Budget Responsibility were saying in

:34:45.:34:49.

November. It is something like ?16 billion increase, improvement in the

:34:50.:34:52.

public finances for this year. That is by far and away the biggest

:34:53.:34:56.

adjustment the OBR has made in a year since it came into existence.

:34:57.:35:02.

The reason for that? There are two bits, about half of it is just one

:35:03.:35:06.

of things, that will happen this year and will not happen again. Some

:35:07.:35:13.

of that is some strange spending accounting, we are giving European

:35:14.:35:16.

Union less money, as it happens, in the first quarter of the year and

:35:17.:35:21.

more in the last three quarters of the year. There are some changes

:35:22.:35:24.

associated with the changes to dividend taxation that came in last

:35:25.:35:27.

year which means we are getting quite a lot more money in this year

:35:28.:35:31.

but we will get less next year. There are some departmental spending

:35:32.:35:36.

changes where departments don't seem to be spending all the money they

:35:37.:35:40.

have got and then there are some longer term, better news, which is

:35:41.:35:46.

that some other tax revenues, from corporation tax and PAYE income tax

:35:47.:35:48.

are doing a bit better than expected. But no change at all to

:35:49.:35:52.

the public finances three or four years down the road. So really, it

:35:53.:35:58.

is a here and now change but looking on, prospects look, how do they look

:35:59.:36:02.

to you? For the public finances, they haven't changed, pretty much,

:36:03.:36:06.

in terms of the economy, looking a bit better in the short term but

:36:07.:36:12.

again, the accord it -- economy according to the official forecast

:36:13.:36:15.

will be roughly in 2020 where it was expected to be in November but as

:36:16.:36:19.

Laura says, actually, also the bad news in a way is that the earnings

:36:20.:36:25.

forecast and income forecast have gone down. This talk of the

:36:26.:36:28.

Chancellor building up a kind of store of money, a war a Brexit

:36:29.:36:32.

savings account, what is the evidence of that and where is that

:36:33.:36:37.

going to happen? That is always nonsense. There is no war chest! The

:36:38.:36:44.

Chancellor says there is ?1.7 trillion of debt, where is the war

:36:45.:36:49.

chest there, and we are borrowing ?50 billion this year? The only way

:36:50.:36:52.

you could think there is a war chest is that the Chancellor has said he

:36:53.:36:59.

would be OK borrowing ?45 billion in 2020 and cried forecasts are only to

:37:00.:37:04.

be borrowing ?20 billion. In that sense, he could borrow more and

:37:05.:37:06.

still meet his own fiscal targets but of course, if we end up there,

:37:07.:37:10.

then he's got another big period of austerity to get through to get down

:37:11.:37:14.

to zero which is where he wants to be next parliament. That is the

:37:15.:37:17.

point I wanted to raise, when he spoke last year about a

:37:18.:37:20.

roller-coaster ride, we're talking now people will be saying some of

:37:21.:37:29.

the figures look much better, the is in a better state than we thought it

:37:30.:37:32.

would be, so has that roller-coaster in the medium term disappeared or is

:37:33.:37:35.

there still one head? It is always important to compare where we are

:37:36.:37:37.

not in terms of the forecast than where we were a year ago and they

:37:38.:37:40.

are still all down relative to a year ago. There's a roller-coaster

:37:41.:37:43.

ride in the sense that there are changes in the forecast and we still

:37:44.:37:48.

seem to be on a bit of an upswing but the expectation is for a

:37:49.:37:52.

downswing later. It is really important to be clear with these

:37:53.:37:56.

forecasts, though, and I don't know if the OBR have said it but all

:37:57.:38:00.

forecasters are saying at the moment there is probably more uncertainty

:38:01.:38:03.

about where we will be in for five years' time than pretty much ever in

:38:04.:38:07.

the last 20 or 30 years. I think what is striking when you look

:38:08.:38:11.

through the Budget measures is not only the limited number of them but

:38:12.:38:16.

in the next two years, there is actually a slight fiscal loosening.

:38:17.:38:20.

Spending and tax changes, there are more giveaways than take away is. So

:38:21.:38:24.

he has used a bit of the headroom, straightaway, on the social care

:38:25.:38:31.

changes, on the higher taxes on dividends for company directors, to

:38:32.:38:37.

enable him to support the economy slightly more aggressively than

:38:38.:38:41.

maybe he would have done in the past. But all that, as Paul said,

:38:42.:38:45.

has to be gained back towards the end of the forecast period, so yet

:38:46.:38:49.

again, as we often had with George Osborne, it is paying, not cancelled

:38:50.:38:55.

but delayed. So they push back the cuts that are going to be coming in.

:38:56.:38:59.

So by the end of the forecast period, there will be this

:39:00.:39:02.

tightening again into the next Parliament. I think the

:39:03.:39:05.

self-employed issue is the start of the big debate of the next few

:39:06.:39:10.

years. OK, it is a small start now, with the change in national

:39:11.:39:13.

insurance class four. I think there is a big issue with the clash with

:39:14.:39:18.

the spirit of the manifesto commitment. But what Phillip Hammond

:39:19.:39:24.

clearly wants to do is what the Treasury are calling equalisation.

:39:25.:39:26.

That means people who are self-employed are taxed in a way

:39:27.:39:29.

that is more similar to those that are in full-time employment. It is

:39:30.:39:33.

surprising, though, and I would be interested to us David Gauke about

:39:34.:39:37.

it, why at the start of this debate and the tax rises on the

:39:38.:39:42.

self-employed side of the ledger, with the self-employed people,

:39:43.:39:45.

rather than the firms that you self-employed people and gain from

:39:46.:39:49.

that because they don't do national insurance contributions, don't put

:39:50.:39:53.

in pension contributions, don't allow for holiday entitlement? The

:39:54.:39:57.

government has started it, started the squeeze on those working in that

:39:58.:40:00.

area rather than the firms to gain from them. The Treasury's point on

:40:01.:40:04.

this which they are trying to circulate their arguments right now,

:40:05.:40:09.

after the statement, is that the intent of the manifesto was

:40:10.:40:12.

delivered by that legislation we were talking about, the tax lock,

:40:13.:40:15.

but what they are saying is, the point is it is not fair to the 85%

:40:16.:40:20.

of workers who are employees, given that these days, the benefits and

:40:21.:40:25.

entitlements are broadly similar. That is their case which is kind of,

:40:26.:40:30.

"Whatever we said in the manifesto, this government", which in a lot of

:40:31.:40:34.

weight is a new government, different with different priorities

:40:35.:40:43.

to David Cameron in George Osborne, "In our calculation, we don't think

:40:44.:40:46.

this is on", and they are prepared to take a hit on it and they know

:40:47.:40:49.

they will because they have the arguments ready. Business rates was

:40:50.:40:51.

the big thing for small business owners going into this and the

:40:52.:40:54.

answer was a bit complicated and short lived. Basically, if you are a

:40:55.:40:56.

small business and you were below the small business rates relief cap

:40:57.:40:59.

which is ?15,000, the rateable value of your premises, if you are going

:41:00.:41:02.

into the new bracket, the cap on your increase will be ?50 per week,

:41:03.:41:07.

?50 per month, I should say and if you are a pub and your rateable

:41:08.:41:11.

value is under ?100,000, you will get a ?1000 discount on your

:41:12.:41:15.

business rates next year. That is not to say you will pay ?1000 less,

:41:16.:41:19.

you are only going to pay ?1000 less than you would have paid with a

:41:20.:41:23.

massive increase a lot of people out of pocket still. A ?300 million fund

:41:24.:41:27.

to be administered by local authorities for the hardest hit, to

:41:28.:41:32.

be administered area by area. It is a complicated problem so they are

:41:33.:41:34.

farming it out to local authorities, if you like, you have to deal with

:41:35.:41:39.

it with the ?300 million. But will the humility of effect do the trick?

:41:40.:41:44.

?455 million in total in the giveaways are very short lived and

:41:45.:41:48.

eventually, the rate rises will come through. They say they are going to

:41:49.:41:56.

have a review, so unless this review, how much do companies like

:41:57.:41:58.

Amazon pay compared to the corner shop, unless that delivers major

:41:59.:42:00.

reform, and we won't know that yet, essentially, as Kamal Ahmed said,

:42:01.:42:04.

this is paying delayed, not cancelled. Interestingly, a range of

:42:05.:42:08.

things including the new T-levels, the focus on technology and

:42:09.:42:11.

vocational skills, which lots of people in business have been

:42:12.:42:14.

demanding some again, interesting to know what business makes this

:42:15.:42:19.

qualification. I think they are broadly supportive, too many people

:42:20.:42:22.

are focused on things like A-levels. I've been at the Geneva motor show

:42:23.:42:26.

all week and they say they can't the right people, the labour supply may

:42:27.:42:30.

be more constrained when we are outside the EU. If we are going to

:42:31.:42:34.

build Heathrow, Hinkley Point, whatever, HS2, and bolster industry,

:42:35.:42:41.

we're going to need these people and I think this will be broadly

:42:42.:42:44.

supported. It kind of fits in with the industrial strategy we heard

:42:45.:42:49.

about a few weeks ago. A quick final thought from Paul because David

:42:50.:42:52.

Gauke will join us, the Treasury minister, in a moment, and then we

:42:53.:42:55.

will go to Hull and get a response. Your headline thought from the

:42:56.:43:01.

Budget today is? A couple of things, firstly, short-term gain to the

:43:02.:43:03.

public finances but nothing improving in the long run. I quite

:43:04.:43:08.

like some of the ways we have heard that we're going to have some

:43:09.:43:11.

consultation on some big things, so more consultation on the

:43:12.:43:15.

self-employed, more consultation on social care, more consultation on

:43:16.:43:18.

some of the tax issues rather than jumping in feet first. On the

:43:19.:43:23.

self-employed changes, an extra 2% on national insurance still doesn't

:43:24.:43:26.

get them anywhere near as highly taxed as employees, so in a sense,

:43:27.:43:30.

it is a move in the right direction one thing we have not talked about

:43:31.:43:32.

is this reasonably significant increase in the taxation dividends.

:43:33.:43:39.

That is what people who run and own their own companies can pay

:43:40.:43:41.

themselves, what you receive if you own shares. This is an doing almost

:43:42.:43:45.

mostly undoing a change that George Osborne announced only in July 2015,

:43:46.:43:50.

that was only introduced last April. Probably a move just about in the

:43:51.:43:55.

right direction in terms of evening up the tax treatment of

:43:56.:44:02.

self-employed and owner managers. But not a very steady world where

:44:03.:44:07.

you make a change last April and change it really quite significantly

:44:08.:44:12.

this March. A slightly rueful look from George Osborne, nodding his

:44:13.:44:16.

head during it. I wonder whether it was, as you are raising the amount

:44:17.:44:20.

of national insurance the self-employed are pain, people might

:44:21.:44:22.

think, "In that case, I'll incorporate myself into the

:44:23.:44:26.

company", but they saw it coming so they reduced the amount of tax

:44:27.:44:31.

relief. A quick word from Laura. That may prove to be politically

:44:32.:44:34.

more troublesome than the national insurance weight because people who

:44:35.:44:37.

set up their own Company and pay themselves dividends would probably

:44:38.:44:46.

be natural Tory voters. That might get them or exercised. Thank you for

:44:47.:44:50.

joining us, Paul. We will see you again.

:44:51.:44:51.

I am at Arco distribution centre, close to the centre of Hull, which

:44:52.:45:05.

is City of Culture for 2017 and part of the Northern Powerhouse. We used

:45:06.:45:09.

to hear a lot about that. I think there was only one mention today in

:45:10.:45:13.

Philip Hammond's speech when he talked about ?90 million going to

:45:14.:45:16.

the Northern Powerhouse in transport. Let's find out if that is

:45:17.:45:20.

enough for this man, Thomas Martin, the managing director of Arco. Is it

:45:21.:45:24.

enough for you to get your teeth into?

:45:25.:45:30.

It is a start, but it is only one mention. Our shareholders have

:45:31.:45:38.

invested hundreds of millions, but we cannot do it on our own. I hope

:45:39.:45:43.

to hear more about transport infrastructure, evidence that the

:45:44.:45:46.

Chancellor was taking the Northern Powerhouse as seriously as I think

:45:47.:45:51.

you should be. And what about the future of your company? It is a

:45:52.:45:55.

success story here and Hull, but against a backdrop of decline, what

:45:56.:46:00.

would you like to have heard? There is about seven times as much money

:46:01.:46:04.

being spent in the south as the North, and I understand that for

:46:05.:46:07.

historical reasons, but for a Chancellor trying to balance the

:46:08.:46:10.

books and get value for money, ?1 spent in the North can go a lot

:46:11.:46:15.

further, so I am pleased about skills, the apprenticeships. We have

:46:16.:46:20.

made our own luck, we already have future experts in our programme. I

:46:21.:46:24.

think he is trying, he could have been more direct, with a more overt

:46:25.:46:28.

industrial strategy. I heard some tactics, I didn't hear an overall

:46:29.:46:34.

vision for UK plc. On inflation, that figure going up to 2.4%,

:46:35.:46:39.

worried about that? He was very honest in terms of the public

:46:40.:46:43.

finances, I think perhaps less connected with what really might

:46:44.:46:47.

happen in terms of inflation. We have 1000 containers a year coming

:46:48.:46:51.

through, costs are going up significantly as a result of the

:46:52.:46:55.

devaluation of the pound. Thank you very much, more reaction from local

:46:56.:46:58.

businesses and from the Chambers of Commerce in the ground in Hull.

:46:59.:47:08.

First of all, unemployment levels, Philip Hammond says that

:47:09.:47:12.

unemployment has fallen fastest here as part of a group of areas in the

:47:13.:47:16.

UK, put that into context. Well, Yorkshire and Humber is seeing a

:47:17.:47:20.

reduction in unemployment, and these are good times for Hull,

:47:21.:47:26.

particularly with the offshore wind revolution that is going on,

:47:27.:47:30.

Siemens, the German company, is investing 300 million here, 1000

:47:31.:47:36.

jobs being created in wind turbines, and a Danish energy company are

:47:37.:47:43.

spending ?6 billion as part of their offshore energy agenda, and that

:47:44.:47:46.

will all help as part of growing this part of the world. That sounds

:47:47.:47:51.

like a rosy picture, is that how you view it? It is difficult for small

:47:52.:47:55.

businesses like me to get an audience with the likes of Siemens,

:47:56.:48:00.

there is a lot of competition from national companies, so it is

:48:01.:48:04.

difficult to fight for the revenue that is being generated locally. So

:48:05.:48:12.

what do you say to someone like Sally who cannot get access to

:48:13.:48:16.

funds? Philip Hammond is talking about a bit of money going towards

:48:17.:48:19.

broadband investment, but is that really going to improve the

:48:20.:48:24.

fortunes. The? It is important that politicians are careful when they

:48:25.:48:30.

spend money on rebadged initiatives, for example the Northern Powerhouse

:48:31.:48:33.

investment fund, which brings together the north, the north-east

:48:34.:48:37.

and Yorkshire's funds, will actually see less money coming to Hull and

:48:38.:48:41.

the Humber as it aggregates Manchester way. So we have to be

:48:42.:48:45.

Cavill that we don't lose out on good initiatives like the Northern

:48:46.:48:50.

Powerhouse, but they only have small amount of money on things like

:48:51.:48:54.

transport compared to London. -- careful. One of the big issues for

:48:55.:48:59.

MPs was the bee valuation of business rates. People will say that

:49:00.:49:05.

areas in Hull will not be affected so much, but will it? I am very

:49:06.:49:15.

fortunate that I will have a cut of ?400 in business rates, which will

:49:16.:49:19.

help me fulfil my obligations to the Pensions Regulator! Towards the end

:49:20.:49:22.

of the year, I have plans to open the business rider, and I will have

:49:23.:49:27.

to review those plans, because it will be a bigger leap in terms of

:49:28.:49:31.

business rates. He announced some measures to help smooth the way,

:49:32.:49:35.

would that be enough for you to go ahead with that plan? I would have

:49:36.:49:40.

to look into it, if I can get hold of anybody on business rates at Hull

:49:41.:49:44.

City Council, it would be nice to speak to them about it. For the

:49:45.:49:49.

self-employed, some will say that was interesting for a Tory

:49:50.:49:53.

Chancellor to make self-employed people pay more in national

:49:54.:49:55.

insurance convolutions, what do you think? It is a move that you could

:49:56.:50:01.

see coming, because they are losing an awful lot of revenue as a result

:50:02.:50:06.

of this move to the gig economy, and those gaps have to be filled, but it

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is important to help these businesses grow, they have to get

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the balance right. Thank you very much for giving us your views. There

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will be lots of changes that will affect you, the viewers, in finance,

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let's find out more from our personal finance expert.

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Yes, as we've been hearing, national insurance convolutions for the

:50:31.:50:34.

self-employed will go up by one percentage point in April, and up

:50:35.:50:38.

again next year by one percentage point up to 11%. The dividend

:50:39.:50:43.

allowance is something that directors and shareholders of their

:50:44.:50:47.

own companies can use to take ?5,000 with dividends out of their

:50:48.:50:51.

companies as part of their personal allowance, that is going to be

:50:52.:50:56.

reduced to ?2000 from next year. Laura has been in touch to say, I am

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a single mum of two, children under the age of ten, was there anything

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drastic for me? Nothing really drastic, Laura, but the personal

:51:08.:51:15.

allowance will rise to ?11,500. That is the point above which you start

:51:16.:51:20.

paying income tax, so there will be a little bit more money in your

:51:21.:51:23.

pocket. For higher rate taxpayers, the rate is going to go, the

:51:24.:51:29.

threshold is going to go from ?43,000 up to ?45,000, although that

:51:30.:51:33.

will not apply in Scotland. And if you have money to save, from April,

:51:34.:51:44.

you will get 2.2% on up to ?3000 of savings every year, although when it

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was originally announced in the Autumn Statement, critics said it

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was rather underwhelming. If you have got any questions for us,

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please get in touch, 61124, or you can e-mail us. Back to you in

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London. Thank you very much to everyone in

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Hull, we will be back in a short while for more reaction. Delighted

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to welcome to the studio of the Chief Secretary to the Treasury,

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David Gauke, thank you for coming in. Here is a quote, a Conservative

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judgment, you will be familiar with this quote, will not increase the

:52:23.:52:27.

rates of VAT, income tax or national insurance in the next parliament,

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why has that manifesto promise been broken? The intent of the manifesto

:52:31.:52:36.

commitment was legislated for, covering class one national

:52:37.:52:40.

insurance contributions, the rate that applies to employees. It did

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not cover class four, which is what we are increasing today, and one of

:52:46.:52:50.

the reasons for that was, at the same time we were reforming class

:52:51.:52:53.

two, more accurately abolishing clash two, so you have got to

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remember that almost self-employed people, if you look at all the

:52:59.:53:02.

reforms, the national insurance contributions over the next couple

:53:03.:53:05.

of years, most of them will be paying less in national insurance

:53:06.:53:09.

contributions, not more. The relatively higher earners will be

:53:10.:53:15.

paying more, that is true, but the majority of self-employed will pay

:53:16.:53:18.

lower levels of NICs in three years' time. OK, so let's say that there

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are four references to tax and your plans on tax in the manifesto, here

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is another. We can commit to no increases in VAT, income tax or

:53:33.:53:36.

national insurance. Tax rises on working people would harm our

:53:37.:53:39.

economy, reduce living standards and cost jobs. Now, looking at what you

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revealed today, notwithstanding the explanation you just given us, there

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is an increase in national insurance which goes against at least the

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spirit of that, is that not right? Well, what I would say, this is a

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context where there is, there is quite substantial reform of national

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insurance contributions, with many people winning from it, but we are

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also faced with a growing unfairness, if you like, because

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what we now have is a situation where national insurance

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contributions are contributions to pay for certain benefits. If you are

:54:16.:54:19.

employed and self-employed, traditionally there were quite big

:54:20.:54:22.

differences between the benefits that you got, on things like the

:54:23.:54:27.

state pension, for example. Well, actually, that difference is going

:54:28.:54:32.

from 2016, we brought in the new state pension, so the self-employed

:54:33.:54:35.

are in as good a position as the employed. We have said today that

:54:36.:54:39.

one of the outstanding differences is on paternity and maternity pay,

:54:40.:54:44.

and we are looking to get rid of that. And in a world where,

:54:45.:54:49.

essentially, you are getting the same at the end of the process, you

:54:50.:54:54.

should put the same amount in. And that is exactly what... Well, that

:54:55.:54:58.

is what we are moving to, there is still a gap, but we are closing that

:54:59.:55:02.

gap, and I think it is right that we do that. The Chancellor underlined

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that point, and you have again, but I come back to you to say, you make

:55:08.:55:11.

a promise not to raise national insurance, and then you raise it,

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that is the issue you have got. You have explained the logic around it,

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but you cannot get away from the fact that you made a promise and you

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have not kept to it. We legislated, I took through the Bill that was

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essentially... But you put national insurance up. At that time, we were

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clear, within the legislation, we were focusing on the main rate of

:55:36.:55:38.

national insurance contributions, which was class one, the 12% rate.

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That is not clear, is it? We also explained, my memory is we explained

:55:48.:55:50.

to Parliament that because of the reforms that we were doing, and

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because we needed to look at the issue, because of that potential

:55:56.:56:01.

unfairness, we excluded class four from... We can commit to no

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increases. I also come back to the point that this problem is growing,

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and as I say, in a context where we are making a new announcement today,

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looking at maternity pay, specifically. Employed, given that

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we have essentially removed the differences. -- for self employed.

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We have removed all the major differences in the entitlements that

:56:31.:56:33.

the self-employed get versus the employed, and I think in the context

:56:34.:56:38.

of also, we do need to pay for the additional spending on social care,

:56:39.:56:43.

skills, schools. The Chancellor explain that. It is right that we

:56:44.:56:48.

take this step to say that it is a relatively, if you look across the

:56:49.:56:53.

board, it is a relatively modest increase in terms of the national

:56:54.:56:56.

insurance contributions that are levied on the self employed, but I

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do think, in the circumstances, it is the right step. But you are not

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acknowledging even that it is a promise that you have not kept. The

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intent was on the main rates. I think that was how we... Very

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difficult for someone reading that, it would seem to be a bit of a

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stretch for you to say that you are not aware of the technicalities

:57:20.:57:24.

within the definition - we can commit to no increases, that is very

:57:25.:57:30.

clear. As I say, for the majority of self-employed, they are actually

:57:31.:57:36.

seeing a reduction in terms of their contributions, and if you take into

:57:37.:57:40.

account personal allowance, all self-employed earnings up to over

:57:41.:57:46.

?32,000 a year will be paying less. That is understood, just picking you

:57:47.:57:51.

up on the commitment, OK Laura? Isn't it the thing, Minister, that

:57:52.:57:56.

people understand when you change your mind, but what people find

:57:57.:57:58.

frustrating is when you clearly break a promise? Well, I think, you

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know, we have looked at the situation... And you have changed

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your mind, but what about the manifesto commitment? As I say, I

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think we have got a situation where we have closed the gap in terms of

:58:14.:58:18.

the benefits entitlements, effectively eliminated it, that we

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have got a growing situation with the cost, and a sense that if we

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don't take action, and Matthew Taylor is doing a review of these

:58:29.:58:32.

issues about the way different people work. If we don't take

:58:33.:58:37.

action, we are placing an unfair burden on the 85%... Which is part

:58:38.:58:41.

of changing your mind, but it does not address what many people will

:58:42.:58:44.

see as breaking your promise. The lack said what one of David

:58:45.:58:50.

Cameron's former advisers said about this specific manifesto promise,

:58:51.:58:53.

that it was basically made up on the roof and maybe a rather silly

:58:54.:58:56.

promise to make in the first place, that you would commit forevermore

:58:57.:59:03.

not to raise income tax, VAT or national insurance? If you look at

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our record as a government over this period of time, you will see it is a

:59:08.:59:11.

record where we are cutting direct taxes, we are holding the VAT, we

:59:12.:59:19.

are cutting taxes through the personal allowance razors, and when

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it comes to those direct taxes, we are not looking for more, but there

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is a very specific case, and the more we look at this, the more we

:59:29.:59:32.

can see there is a problem that is going to build up, and it is a

:59:33.:59:36.

long-term problem. If we don't take action on this, we do place an

:59:37.:59:41.

unfair burden, you know, if you are employed... You have made that case,

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Minister, would you rule out making other increases to VAT or income tax

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Kaymer that is the question people will ask, you cannot blame them for

:59:50.:59:54.

saying, hang on a second, how many of these other commitments, you

:59:55.:59:59.

mentioned VAT and income tax, should we disregard the sections of the

:00:00.:00:02.

manifesto because you have already wiped one of them out? What else is

:00:03.:00:08.

up for grabs? We have legislated in this Parliament, we will not

:00:09.:00:13.

increase VAT, income tax, we will not increase class one national

:00:14.:00:17.

insurance contributions. We have legislated, we would have to take

:00:18.:00:19.

additional legislative action to be able to do that. As I say, when we

:00:20.:00:24.

took this matter through the House of Commons, back in 2015, I think,

:00:25.:00:31.

we specifically excluded class four national insurance contributions

:00:32.:00:33.

because at that point there clearly was an issue, and as I say, put it

:00:34.:00:39.

in the context of abolishing class two, which, you know, provides a tax

:00:40.:00:44.

cut for all the self-employed in isolation, but still means a net tax

:00:45.:00:48.

reduction in terms of national insurance contributions for the

:00:49.:00:49.

majority. How many people are affected, I

:00:50.:00:58.

should have asked this earlier, by this change? In terms of the number

:00:59.:01:01.

of people who are self-employed, I think it is about 4.2 million, the

:01:02.:01:08.

majority of whom will be paying less national insurance contributions in

:01:09.:01:12.

three years' time the layout paying today. Can we pause for a second, a

:01:13.:01:16.

bit of housekeeping for me because viewers in Scotland are leaving us

:01:17.:01:19.

now but thank you for joining us and we wish you a good afternoon. Here

:01:20.:01:25.

on the BBC News Channel and BBC Two, we are carrying on, and son, your

:01:26.:01:30.

questions to the Minister? This change of message about no raising

:01:31.:01:32.

of national insurance and then saying you did not mean a particular

:01:33.:01:38.

class. There is an issue that entrepreneurialism, the government

:01:39.:01:40.

said start your own business and it worked, people could pay more tax

:01:41.:01:42.

because they were taking more risk, they were starting the red

:01:43.:01:47.

businesses and there's been an enormous increase in

:01:48.:01:49.

self-employment, about 50% of all the jobs that have been created

:01:50.:01:53.

since the crisis of 2008 at come from the self-employed. Now you are

:01:54.:01:57.

saying you're going to come down like a time of bricks and tax some

:01:58.:02:00.

of the growth and looking at some other numbers, bearing in mind you

:02:01.:02:05.

are already going to cancel class two national insurance, this looks

:02:06.:02:08.

like if you add together the cut in the dividend allowance and the class

:02:09.:02:13.

four increase, it amounts to a ?2 billion tax in the next five years

:02:14.:02:17.

on the self-employed. What kind of message is that? That was not the

:02:18.:02:21.

message we were sold a few years ago. I don't accept the point. This

:02:22.:02:27.

is a government which is very supportive of small businesses. We

:02:28.:02:32.

have done a whole host of things, today, in terms of business rates

:02:33.:02:35.

but in things like the employment allowance, the cuts in corporation

:02:36.:02:39.

tax, some of the changes to capital gains tax are very helpful for

:02:40.:02:45.

smaller businesses. Absolutely, we recognise the importance of the

:02:46.:02:48.

entrepreneur to the economy. But these are the same small businesses

:02:49.:02:52.

who are facing water enrolment, you have given them some relief on the

:02:53.:02:55.

business rate increase but only delayed it and they will come down

:02:56.:02:58.

the road at some point. They will be feeling bruised by that. And most

:02:59.:03:02.

small businesses benefit from the business rate reduction. --

:03:03.:03:09.

re-evaluation. That is before you put in the permanent extensional

:03:10.:03:12.

small business rate relief and so on. We've done a lot for small

:03:13.:03:15.

businesses. But the point I will make is if you have got essentially

:03:16.:03:19.

three people doing essentially the same job, one is employed, one is

:03:20.:03:24.

self-employed but unincorporated and the other is working through their

:03:25.:03:29.

own company, and they are paying very substantial differences in the

:03:30.:03:33.

level of tax and national insurance contributions, that creates an

:03:34.:03:42.

unfairness on the employed, the 85%, who pay substantially more in tax

:03:43.:03:46.

and national insurance and that problem will grow. The easiest thing

:03:47.:03:50.

in the world would be for a government, and it might be very

:03:51.:03:53.

politically easy to pretend the problem doesn't exist and it won't

:03:54.:03:56.

be there but it will grow and grow and only you know, there's nothing

:03:57.:04:02.

wrong, in fact, it is no bad thing at all that we have large levels of

:04:03.:04:05.

self-employment in this country but if it creates an unfair burden on

:04:06.:04:12.

the employed, then you are storing up a problem and at some point, the

:04:13.:04:16.

government has to act and better to act now than later. Some people

:04:17.:04:20.

would say, and the point was made earlier, what you should do is look

:04:21.:04:23.

at the employers who are using self-employed status of their

:04:24.:04:26.

workers, I'm thinking of the delivery companies of this world,

:04:27.:04:32.

who using the self-employed status for their benefit. Why did you start

:04:33.:04:40.

there? Why did you go after the boys first? I can see why you make that

:04:41.:04:44.

point and it is a fair challenge to us and the answer is, this is a much

:04:45.:04:48.

more complicated problem. Matthew Taylor is undertaking a review for

:04:49.:04:52.

the government. He has given us his interim findings in a letter today.

:04:53.:04:57.

But he is reporting back later this year. I think it is right that we

:04:58.:05:01.

look at some of those issues. Firstly, we have to deal with what

:05:02.:05:05.

is described as falls self-employment but some of this is

:05:06.:05:08.

genuine self-employment but it does not really fall within any of the

:05:09.:05:11.

usual parameters and the economy is changing and there are different

:05:12.:05:15.

jobs. As I say, if there is a vast disparity in the way in which we tax

:05:16.:05:20.

those people, you know, it can create distortions and it can create

:05:21.:05:24.

unfairness. It is right we address it but it is a more complicated one

:05:25.:05:28.

and we need to make sure we take our time to get it right. What about

:05:29.:05:34.

employers, will they also face tax increases into the future as you

:05:35.:05:37.

review the situation? There's obviously clear disparities if you

:05:38.:05:42.

do employ people on self-employed status. You get a great advantage as

:05:43.:05:47.

an employer because of the reduced national insurance contributions and

:05:48.:05:52.

pension contributions, no holiday entitlement, etc. Surely that has to

:05:53.:05:57.

change as well? It comes back to what I said earlier, it is a really

:05:58.:06:00.

complicated area and I think it is right we are looking at this. But

:06:01.:06:05.

with a view to increasing the burden is on employers? That is a huge

:06:06.:06:09.

thing to take on. In terms of shifting it, the reality is that if

:06:10.:06:16.

you are an employer with employees, you pay national insurance

:06:17.:06:20.

contributions at nearly 14%. That is a substantial. If you go down a

:06:21.:06:23.

different route, you might not pay anything at all and again, that is a

:06:24.:06:27.

similar type of distortion, a similar type of unfairness, you

:06:28.:06:33.

like. That is something that we need to look at but we need to look at

:06:34.:06:37.

quite carefully. But with a view to changing it, clearly? With a view to

:06:38.:06:41.

trying to level the playing field. Is that enough you have done now, to

:06:42.:06:46.

get rid of this disparity, as you see it, between being self-employed

:06:47.:06:50.

and employed? Is that the end of it now? Can you remake your manifesto

:06:51.:06:53.

pledge, even though you did not stick to the first one, can you make

:06:54.:07:03.

a pledge for no more increases in national insurance? I think we have

:07:04.:07:05.

got the balance right now. So no more increases? I think we have the

:07:06.:07:08.

balance right now and Matthew Taylor's report, we have to wait to

:07:09.:07:11.

see what it was a but we have tilled the balance in a direction which I

:07:12.:07:14.

think is fairer for those who eventually see themselves paying

:07:15.:07:17.

quite a lot more if they are employed than if they were

:07:18.:07:20.

self-employed. We are battling the clock minister and you need to go

:07:21.:07:24.

but a quick one from Laura. I was going to say, everyone will be

:07:25.:07:27.

looking very carefully at the legislation from that tax law in

:07:28.:07:32.

2015. I'm interested, briefly, beyond painting a broad canvas at

:07:33.:07:36.

the start, hardly any mention of Brexit from the Chancellor. Was he

:07:37.:07:38.

deliberately tiptoeing around the subject because it is a

:07:39.:07:42.

controversial on the benches behind him? I don't think so, but Brexit is

:07:43.:07:46.

a massive issue for the country and the government but we also have to

:07:47.:07:50.

get on and do the other things. We have to make sure we have a social

:07:51.:07:53.

care system that is working properly. We have to make sure we

:07:54.:07:57.

invest in skills. We have to make sure we have sound public finances,

:07:58.:08:00.

thinking about the long term there. Today was a day where, I know

:08:01.:08:06.

everyone is very focused on Brexit but today was the day when we needed

:08:07.:08:10.

to address some of the other issues that we have as a country and I the

:08:11.:08:15.

Chancellor did that very well. Are you not worried that the numbers

:08:16.:08:18.

suggest wages are still going to be falling back and National Living

:08:19.:08:21.

Wage is predicted to be less than it was the last time? People will still

:08:22.:08:25.

be really feeling the pinch for a long time according to today's

:08:26.:08:29.

numbers. The way we address that and get living standards improving on a

:08:30.:08:33.

sustainable basis is about improving productivity. That means the

:08:34.:08:37.

investment in infrastructure we saw in the Autumn Statement, the

:08:38.:08:43.

investment in skills we saw today, a competitive tax system, which, when

:08:44.:08:45.

you look at encouraging investment, what we have done in terms of

:08:46.:08:48.

corporation tax. All those things will drive up productivity and

:08:49.:08:51.

living standards and that is the way we can ensure we are a prosperous

:08:52.:08:55.

country. Minister, good of you to comment as usual on Budget day and

:08:56.:08:59.

thank you for fielding our question. David Gauke,

:09:00.:09:01.

the Chief Secretary to the Treasury. I will remind you very quickly of

:09:02.:09:06.

the today as we see them. We have been talking about national

:09:07.:09:10.

insurance for self-employed workers, rising to 10% in April next year and

:09:11.:09:16.

11% in April 2000 19. The additional funding for social care, we did not

:09:17.:09:20.

discuss that but we mentioned it earlier, an additional ?2 billion of

:09:21.:09:23.

funding over the next three years for social care in England because

:09:24.:09:26.

we know of the huge pressures on the system and funding announced four

:09:27.:09:29.

new grammar schools and new free schools, 110 of them in England,

:09:30.:09:35.

very much one of the Prime Minister's principal projects,

:09:36.:09:37.

something she is very keen to promote. The other main measures,

:09:38.:09:42.

?300 million fund for firms facing large business rate increases. Simon

:09:43.:09:46.

was talking about the measures to try to relieve some of the pressure

:09:47.:09:52.

after that revaluation. As part of that, a ?1000 business rate discount

:09:53.:09:56.

for pubs with a rateable value of under ?100,000, which is the vast

:09:57.:10:00.

majority of pubs in England. And the National savings bond for savers, as

:10:01.:10:07.

interest rates are very low, this will pay 2.2% on deposit up to ?3000

:10:08.:10:12.

from April. Lots of other measures, too, but we have condensed that to

:10:13.:10:17.

half a dozen at this point. Let's go straight out to the green outside

:10:18.:10:19.

parliament and join Jane. some of the issues with my guess you

:10:20.:10:28.

have joined me. I should explain there's a very noisy pensions

:10:29.:10:32.

protest behind me. Douglas Carswell of Ukip and Tim Farron of the

:10:33.:10:35.

Liberal Democrats, I hope we can just about he read other thing!

:10:36.:10:39.

Douglas Carswell, you have said quite a few times that you hoped

:10:40.:10:42.

Phillip Hammond would be more fiscally responsible than his

:10:43.:10:46.

predecessor. Do you think he has been? I'm a bit worried that the

:10:47.:10:49.

amount of public debt is heading back up again. The best that can be

:10:50.:10:57.

said for this Budget is that it is very dull and not flashy but it's

:10:58.:11:00.

not fundamentally sorting out the biggest problem we face which is the

:11:01.:11:02.

accumulation of big amounts of public debt. At the same time as the

:11:03.:11:05.

public debt is going back up, he is managing to attack the self-employed

:11:06.:11:10.

and self-employed national insurance contributions. I'm not happy about

:11:11.:11:13.

either of those things. Tim Farron, you are nodding through some of

:11:14.:11:17.

that. Yes, the obvious being from the Budget is you cannot have well

:11:18.:11:21.

funded health services, social care or education or indeed to solve the

:11:22.:11:25.

problems of the things we are complaining about today with a hard

:11:26.:11:28.

Brexit. You choose to leave the single market and the customs union,

:11:29.:11:32.

which was not on the ballot paper, then there is a cost, 100 billion

:11:33.:11:36.

extra borrowing and 60 billion war chest to pay for the loss of trade

:11:37.:11:40.

and income and tax receipts relating to a hard Brexit. It is right for us

:11:41.:11:44.

to point that out. We think today, if you look at the attack on

:11:45.:11:48.

business in particular, the little sticking plaster, if that am of the

:11:49.:11:52.

relief to those who will be hit by business rate increases is nothing

:11:53.:11:58.

at all and if you look at the impact of the national insurance

:11:59.:12:00.

contribution rises on self-employed people, it is immense. Something

:12:01.:12:05.

like one in four people in my constituency the South Lakes are

:12:06.:12:07.

self-employed and it will be huge blow to them. It seems to me that we

:12:08.:12:10.

have a government who thinks they can take business for granted

:12:11.:12:12.

because they have a dreadful opposition who does not keep them on

:12:13.:12:16.

their toes. We'll come back to some of that but isn't that part of the

:12:17.:12:19.

point, Douglas Carswell, Philip Hammond has to be

:12:20.:12:32.

cautious because he has to retain the war chest? By definition, we

:12:33.:12:35.

don't know what is coming. It is not a case of Brexit, and at some point,

:12:36.:12:38.

the Japanese and Italian bond markets are going to go pop and

:12:39.:12:41.

governments will find... But it is another layer of uncertainty? The

:12:42.:12:43.

gross predictions have gone up from 1.4%, to 2.2%. It is pretty healthy

:12:44.:12:50.

growth. Just south of 2% for the next four or five years. Given the

:12:51.:12:55.

OBR's success rate at forecasting these things, I'm not sure we can

:12:56.:12:58.

take anything beyond the next 18 months seriously. But in terms of

:12:59.:13:02.

growth projections, there is some pretty good news today. Tim Farron,

:13:03.:13:07.

can we find some positives? Your party were very keen to see more

:13:08.:13:10.

investment in health and social care and quite a lot of money coming

:13:11.:13:14.

forward for social care. Do you think the government finally thinks

:13:15.:13:17.

this is an area that needs tackling? ?2 billion sounded good until he

:13:18.:13:22.

said it was over three years, we need something like 4 billion every

:13:23.:13:26.

year as a minimum so it is a poor but it is a reminder of what limited

:13:27.:13:30.

room for manoeuvre he has got. As Douglas pointed out, we are at the

:13:31.:13:33.

mercy of the international money market and one of the reason this we

:13:34.:13:36.

have chosen to sever our ties with the world's biggest and most

:13:37.:13:39.

powerful market which is the 120 miles away across the Channel. I'd

:13:40.:13:44.

rather not fight the referendum but I'm happy to. What this Budget

:13:45.:13:48.

really tells us is that the significant economic decisions will

:13:49.:13:52.

be taken in about six months' time. This very big decisions on business

:13:53.:13:55.

rates, the fact there is no substantive answer to the big

:13:56.:14:00.

question, how we fund social care, I think, in a sense, this Budget kicks

:14:01.:14:04.

things into touch to be deferred in six months' time. Isn't that partly

:14:05.:14:08.

because we are now heading into an autumn Budget as well? There is

:14:09.:14:12.

great uncertainty as well. The point about growth is significant and the

:14:13.:14:16.

growth we have, which is modest but it's there, is based almost entirely

:14:17.:14:24.

on consumer spending and the great fear about that is, as inflation

:14:25.:14:26.

goes up, which is predicted, we have all seen petrol prices go up by 15%

:14:27.:14:29.

over the last six to 12 months, those kind of things stop people

:14:30.:14:32.

spending money and if your entire economy is based on consumer

:14:33.:14:34.

spending, you are in trouble which is why he needed to invest for the

:14:35.:14:38.

long-term and he has not done that. Is there some better news much

:14:39.:14:42.

longer term, looking at the education announcements, T-levels, a

:14:43.:14:45.

lot of rhetoric about making Britain fighting fit for the future, I mean,

:14:46.:14:49.

a recognition that vocational qualifications are worthy and

:14:50.:14:54.

imported is a good thing? Important, and to blur the line between

:14:55.:14:57.

vocational and academic education is a long sought call that I share with

:14:58.:15:01.

the Chancellor. The problem we have in all of this is that it is new

:15:02.:15:04.

gimmickry, new words and slogans that don't mean much different to

:15:05.:15:08.

what we have had in the past, replacing qualifications that

:15:09.:15:12.

already have a good brand recognition with employers, for

:15:13.:15:14.

instance. The real issue, if you want to improve education, it is

:15:15.:15:22.

about money, 3 billion will be lost in the next three years in schools

:15:23.:15:25.

funding and give them a third of the Berlin to pet projects like grammar

:15:26.:15:28.

schools to free schools, whether you agree with them a lot, it is a

:15:29.:15:31.

diversion from the real problem which is giving teachers the tools

:15:32.:15:32.

they need to teach our kids. Isn't it about diversification?

:15:33.:15:43.

Isn't it about saying stem topics are very important, we need to get

:15:44.:15:48.

more children interested in that, particularly girls on International

:15:49.:15:52.

Women's Day, and to make Britain a modern, forward-looking country?

:15:53.:15:57.

Vocational education is critically important, and that intent within

:15:58.:16:01.

this Budget is that we should welcome that, but the detail is

:16:02.:16:05.

worrying, some of it. The money is going to the pet projects, the crazy

:16:06.:16:13.

thing is that some wonk in the DfE has dreamt up, and now every teacher

:16:14.:16:21.

has to live with it. Just a pet project, the approach to education?

:16:22.:16:25.

In my constituency, the Government managed to spend ?3 million on a

:16:26.:16:28.

Bradley is cool that they closed after three years. Spending more

:16:29.:16:34.

money differently is very welcome. -- on a brand-new school. We need to

:16:35.:16:39.

make sure these reforms don't just improve education in some of the

:16:40.:16:44.

better off parts of London. Douglas Carswell, Tim Farron, thanks very

:16:45.:16:48.

much for joining us. Much more from a very noisy College Green to come.

:16:49.:16:56.

Quite noisy at there, we heard the guests loud and clear, thank you

:16:57.:17:01.

very much. We will be talking to the SNP in just a moment, but I thought

:17:02.:17:05.

I would take you through some of the figures to do with precise duties on

:17:06.:17:09.

tobacco and alcohol, because they were not specified in the budget

:17:10.:17:14.

speech. Why don't we take you through them? By the way, it is also

:17:15.:17:18.

important to underline that some of these changes were put in place in

:17:19.:17:22.

2014, so they are just coming through the system now much they

:17:23.:17:26.

were not all announced in one go today. But, for example, a packet of

:17:27.:17:31.

20 cigarettes will cost 35p more from 6pm this evening, as a result

:17:32.:17:39.

of changes in the Budget. It will cost, actually, the changes that

:17:40.:17:44.

were put in place in 2014, those are still coming through. It will cost

:17:45.:17:51.

42p for a 30 grams packet of hand-rolling tobacco. A pint of beer

:17:52.:17:59.

will cost 2p more from Monday, and other changes to duty on our colour

:18:00.:18:03.

coming through. A bottle of whisky, 36 sense the Mike -- 36p more. Those

:18:04.:18:15.

changes coming through from Monday. Not all of those are measures that

:18:16.:18:20.

were announced today, some were brought in two years ago. I will go

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straight to the Houses of Parliament, we are joined by the

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SNP's Roger Mullin, thank you for joining us, congratulations on the

:18:30.:18:32.

best tie in the House of Commons today, no question about that! Thank

:18:33.:18:38.

you very much indeed! Why don't I ask you first, Roger, what is your

:18:39.:18:42.

main take on the Budget today? We had the announcement on extra money

:18:43.:18:46.

for the Scottish Government. My main take is the Chancellor is living in

:18:47.:18:51.

a parallel universe. How on earth anyone can talk about the Budget for

:18:52.:18:54.

an hour and not mention the biggest challenges facing the UK is beyond

:18:55.:18:59.

me, no mention of Brexit, no mention of how he will fill the gap in the

:19:00.:19:05.

loss of revenues in agriculture or the university sector. And doing

:19:06.:19:08.

absolutely nothing to tackle the problem of austerity on the one

:19:09.:19:11.

hand, which the Government has chosen, and the squeezing of savings

:19:12.:19:16.

of pensioners and the like on the other hand, created by the Bank of

:19:17.:19:21.

England policies. So in every major issue, he failed to comment. Given

:19:22.:19:26.

that he outlined the nature of the debt that the UK is an two, and

:19:27.:19:31.

continues to be an two, did you really think he had the leeway to

:19:32.:19:40.

address those problems? -- be under. He has to address the issues of

:19:41.:19:47.

leaving the European Union, because he keeps telling us we are leaving

:19:48.:19:51.

the European Union, and I have looked at some of the documents

:19:52.:19:56.

accompanying the speech, and his assumptions are wholly flawed,

:19:57.:19:58.

parallel straight lines, her weight of them saying, we don't know how to

:19:59.:20:03.

plan for the future, therefore we are doing nothing about facing the

:20:04.:20:08.

challenges of Brexit. -- a way. I think this is a deeply worrying

:20:09.:20:15.

Budget, deeply worrying as we are about to trigger Article 50 and get

:20:16.:20:20.

negotiations started to exit. He did mention North Sea oil and gas, he

:20:21.:20:25.

talked about tapering revenue from there. I'm just wondering, in the

:20:26.:20:30.

light of that, do you agree with some of your own colleagues in the

:20:31.:20:34.

SNP who think that your economic case for independence should no

:20:35.:20:37.

longer include oil revenues because of the fact that they have dipped so

:20:38.:20:44.

significantly? I think what the argument is, looking at the future,

:20:45.:20:49.

we can base our economy very strongly, the whole breadth of the

:20:50.:20:54.

economy, and I'll is, in that sense, a bonus. I think there has been a

:20:55.:20:59.

bit of misrepresentation. I have no problem with looking to the future

:21:00.:21:05.

and making sure the revenues from oil properly husbanded for the first

:21:06.:21:11.

time. Correct me if I am wrong, I think Andrew Wilson said that making

:21:12.:21:15.

oil numbers a central place in 2014 was a mistake, so do you agree with

:21:16.:21:19.

that? The logic would be that you move away when you make a case in

:21:20.:21:24.

future. I prefer to look to the future, I don't share Andrew's

:21:25.:21:30.

interpretation of 2014, but that is immaterial, what and who myself

:21:31.:21:33.

think about that. What is important is how we build the future, and we

:21:34.:21:38.

want to create a future for Scotland that is built on growth in across

:21:39.:21:44.

the whole breadth of the economy. That is the really important

:21:45.:21:47.

message. So a case for independence, whenever it comes again, we'll have

:21:48.:21:52.

to partly depend on the whole question of oil revenues, as it did

:21:53.:21:58.

in 2014? -- will have to. It will have to depend on the entire

:21:59.:22:02.

Scottish economy, it would be foolish to say otherwise. There are

:22:03.:22:05.

so money facets to it, it is changing so fast, we have one of the

:22:06.:22:09.

fastest-growing new technology sectors in Europe, so many riches in

:22:10.:22:14.

terms of whisky, which I see they are bumping up duty on again today.

:22:15.:22:18.

So there is such strength across the economy, to focus only on one aspect

:22:19.:22:23.

would not be sensible, would not be in Scotland's interest. You mention

:22:24.:22:29.

the big Brexit issue clearly, and there was some kind of mention right

:22:30.:22:34.

at the start, but you are right, Roger, it didn't feature later on.

:22:35.:22:39.

In the context of Brexit, given that your party conferences happening

:22:40.:22:43.

very soon, when can we expect a more clear signal, if you like, from

:22:44.:22:46.

Nicola Sturgeon and from your other colleagues about your plans in terms

:22:47.:22:51.

of revisiting the whole independence issue? It depends on two things,

:22:52.:22:57.

Huw, when Article 50 is going to be triggered. In my humble opinion, it

:22:58.:23:01.

would be foolish to make any definitive comment until after that

:23:02.:23:05.

period. Secondly, it crucially depends on the written response from

:23:06.:23:08.

the UK Government to the Scottish Government's proposals of last year.

:23:09.:23:15.

We know neither of those things, so it would be sensible to wait until

:23:16.:23:18.

we get both of those points resolved before we make a final decision. I

:23:19.:23:24.

heard one minister recently saying, a Westminster ministers saying that

:23:25.:23:28.

it would make no sense to have an independence referendum until you

:23:29.:23:31.

saw the shape of the final Brexit deal, which of course is 2019 or

:23:32.:23:35.

thereabouts. What is your thought on that? We are going to have to see

:23:36.:23:40.

the final deal 18 months in, because it is a six-month period for the

:23:41.:23:45.

deal to be approved by all the countries in Europe, and it is going

:23:46.:23:49.

to be in the public domain. We will know in about 18 months what the

:23:50.:23:53.

shape of the exiting deal is going to be, so it won't take the full two

:23:54.:23:58.

years for that. Secondly, we are going to get information as things

:23:59.:24:02.

come along, we are going to have to keep other institutions informed,

:24:03.:24:05.

like the Council of Ministers. I think we will have a very good sense

:24:06.:24:10.

of where the UK is going, we will begin to get that within a few

:24:11.:24:14.

months of the triggering of Article 50. Let's talk about the other

:24:15.:24:19.

sense, your sense of where public opinion is moving in Scotland right

:24:20.:24:23.

now, what is your sense of that? Well, I can only judge it on two

:24:24.:24:28.

things, the most recent poll that I am aware of suggested 49% would vote

:24:29.:24:33.

yes, a big improvement on when Alex Salmond triggered the last election

:24:34.:24:39.

referendum, 28% yes at that time. The second thing is what is

:24:40.:24:43.

happening on the ground. My view on the ground is that there is an

:24:44.:24:47.

expectation that there has got to be a change. And in the future. Whether

:24:48.:24:54.

that change is the UK Government allowing us to stay in the single

:24:55.:24:58.

market, or whether we move towards an independence referendum, in some

:24:59.:25:02.

senses, that is in the choosing of the UK Government. Will they man up

:25:03.:25:08.

and give us a bespoke deal? Very interesting, as ever, Roger, thank

:25:09.:25:15.

you very much for joining us. Roger Mullin is of the SNP giving us is

:25:16.:25:19.

responses to the Budget and the big question of if and when the First

:25:20.:25:27.

Minister will come forward with a second independence referendum. It

:25:28.:25:32.

is a good moment to go back to Hull and joint Jo.

:25:33.:25:38.

Yes, Huw, you know how much politicians love to Don hard hats

:25:39.:25:42.

and high-vis jackets. Well, that is exactly what these ladies here are

:25:43.:25:48.

packaging up for distribution. Safety equipment and protective

:25:49.:25:52.

clothing. This is a company that has been in the same family for four

:25:53.:25:57.

generations. It is a success story in Hull, it employs about a dividend

:25:58.:26:02.

50 people. We have talked already to the managing director, let's find

:26:03.:26:05.

out what other people in the area think to Philip Hammond's statement.

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Jo is a cafe owner, Darren is the deputy leader of Hull City Council.

:26:14.:26:16.

One of the big issues that was going to come up in this statement, this

:26:17.:26:21.

Budget, was social care and the pressures on it. For a council like

:26:22.:26:24.

yours, were you relieved to hear there will be a cash injection? We

:26:25.:26:32.

were relieved partly, the sector has lost ?4.6 billion, so the idea of

:26:33.:26:36.

putting 1 billion back in next year is welcome, but it is not enough,

:26:37.:26:41.

and whilst we welcome that, we look forward to the green paper that they

:26:42.:26:45.

are talking about, because there needs to be urgent reform for adult

:26:46.:26:50.

social care. As we know, when adult social care sneezes, the whole NHS

:26:51.:26:53.

catches a cold, and it is important that we recognise that most of the

:26:54.:26:59.

precepts of those councils up and down the land has only just said the

:27:00.:27:02.

increases in the living wage. We need new money for health and social

:27:03.:27:06.

care to replace the money taken out in the last five years. So you are

:27:07.:27:11.

waiting to hear about the long-term solutions, the proposals being put

:27:12.:27:15.

forward by the Government. As a local business, Hull is UK City of

:27:16.:27:19.

Culture, that must be good for business. Definitely, it is

:27:20.:27:24.

uplifting. It is good, people are more positive, the business is doing

:27:25.:27:31.

well. Will that be enough to offset the rise in the national living

:27:32.:27:33.

wage? That is something that was announced in the autumn but will

:27:34.:27:38.

come into force next month. The good news about business rates will help

:27:39.:27:41.

offset that, and the business doing so well will obviously be a good

:27:42.:27:45.

thing as well. We may have to increase prices, hopefully not much.

:27:46.:27:50.

I employ ten people. Are you thinking of expanding? Not in the

:27:51.:27:55.

near future. What about information? The projection is it will go up to

:27:56.:28:01.

about 2.4%, the highest it has been in quite a while, what impact does

:28:02.:28:05.

that have? We will have to increase prices in line with that, because

:28:06.:28:08.

otherwise we will not make any money, basically! So it will make

:28:09.:28:13.

quite a difference. What about other money coming into Hull? There was an

:28:14.:28:18.

announcement on broadband, 90 million going into the Northern

:28:19.:28:21.

Powerhouse in terms of transport, that must be welcomed. Yes, but it

:28:22.:28:27.

is a bit timid, really, because we as a council have invested ?70

:28:28.:28:32.

million in the infrastructure of the city, and businesses have invested

:28:33.:28:36.

about ?1 billion. In that perspective, it is a very small

:28:37.:28:39.

amount nationally. What we need to do is see real evidence on the

:28:40.:28:43.

ground. There is not even electrified rail between Hull and

:28:44.:28:48.

Selby, that has to be a priority, because if the Chancellor is serious

:28:49.:28:51.

about productivity, electrified trail between Hull and Selby,

:28:52.:28:55.

connecting our railways to the rest of the country, is a must for this

:28:56.:29:00.

area. I wanted to see less timid capital investment, because the time

:29:01.:29:04.

to invest in infrastructure is during a recession. What about the

:29:05.:29:08.

issue of self-employed people? National insurance contributions

:29:09.:29:13.

going up, maybe a breach of a manifesto commitment, will that

:29:14.:29:18.

affect you or people you know? Some people I know, yes, definitely. I am

:29:19.:29:22.

employed by my company, so I pay national insurance like anybody else

:29:23.:29:26.

does. A lot of people will be affected. Amongst your friends, your

:29:27.:29:31.

family, are they mainly self employed? Are people working for

:29:32.:29:35.

themselves? Half and half. So barely evenly split? What about UK City of

:29:36.:29:44.

Culture, good news all round? Brilliant, we had 240,000 visitors

:29:45.:29:48.

in the first few weeks, and people are talking about Hull for all the

:29:49.:29:53.

right reasons, and on the BBC weather map every night! People know

:29:54.:29:57.

where it is, come and visit. A positive on the BBC Weather map!

:29:58.:30:04.

There are issues coming into force from a personal finance perspective,

:30:05.:30:05.

we can go to Ruth Alexander. We have had some questions from the

:30:06.:30:14.

audience. Robert asks what the government is doing to encourage

:30:15.:30:18.

people to save? Something the Chancellor mentioned and something

:30:19.:30:21.

he has previously announced was the national savings bond where you will

:30:22.:30:26.

be able to save up to ?3000 per year and get 2.2% on it. Interest rates

:30:27.:30:31.

are not high so it does not sound that great, though. Valerie wants to

:30:32.:30:35.

know, what about increases in petrol and beer and spirits? Fuel duty will

:30:36.:30:40.

remain frozen for the seventh year in a row and alcohol duty will rise

:30:41.:30:44.

by inflation from Monday, so about 2p on a pint of beer and about 30p

:30:45.:30:50.

on a litre of whiskey. We would love to hear more of your question so get

:30:51.:30:57.

in touch, text 61124, e-mail us at [email protected] or tweet us.

:30:58.:31:00.

Back to the studio. Thank you very much to Ruth and Jo

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Coburn and we will be back in Hull in a short while. The time is one

:31:09.:31:12.

minute past three and this is the point at which we say goodbye to

:31:13.:31:15.

viewers on the BBC News channel but I will see you at 5pm, hopefully.

:31:16.:31:19.

Thank you for joining us and we will see you later. And here on the

:31:20.:31:25.

special coverage of the Budget 2017, I am still here with Kamal Ahmed and

:31:26.:31:29.

Laura Kuenssberg and Simon Jack. We are hoping at some point to be

:31:30.:31:32.

joined by the Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, but we are having a

:31:33.:31:36.

run around to look for him so if he is watching, we need you in the

:31:37.:31:40.

studio, John! If you could make your way over, that would be great.

:31:41.:31:43.

Laura, talking about the precise measures, what did we make of David

:31:44.:31:50.

Gauke's let's Jose, defence of the changes, given the kind of quotes I

:31:51.:31:52.

read from the manifesto, which suggested clearly that the spirit of

:31:53.:31:59.

the promise has been broken. As you say, it is not a good place for the

:32:00.:32:02.

government to be, even if you are diplomatic and say they have broken

:32:03.:32:06.

the spirit of the manifesto, a lot of the viewers would think they have

:32:07.:32:09.

broken the manifesto promise. What is interesting about this is that

:32:10.:32:13.

just in the last half an hour or so, as Tory backbenchers have been

:32:14.:32:16.

popping up during the Budget debate which is still going on over the

:32:17.:32:19.

road in the Commons, there have been a couple of people like Anna Soubry,

:32:20.:32:25.

a prominent rebel Remain but on the other side, John Redwood, a real

:32:26.:32:30.

fiscal conservative and Eurosceptic, raising questions about whether or

:32:31.:32:33.

not this is the kind of rude that the government wants to go down. Two

:32:34.:32:36.

things are really important about how much trouble the government will

:32:37.:32:42.

be in over this. How much is it going to hit people in their pay

:32:43.:32:46.

packet? The figure the Chancellor used was 60p per week if I remember

:32:47.:32:50.

correctly. We are not talking about an enormous amount though I will

:32:51.:32:54.

have to look at the calculations carefully, as ever. But secondly,

:32:55.:32:58.

does the Tory party internally have enough people inside who will be

:32:59.:33:03.

cross about it to really kick up a stink? Those two things, we can't be

:33:04.:33:06.

sure about at the moment but I think clearly in terms of an immediate

:33:07.:33:11.

political problem out of this Budget, that is the thing that is it

:33:12.:33:14.

cheered, I suppose. We were listening to Mr Corbyn very closely

:33:15.:33:18.

and as I understand it, and I hope I'm safe in saying this, I don't

:33:19.:33:30.

think he picked up in any way on the national insurance changes

:33:31.:33:32.

specifically. As I say, they can get back to us if I'm wrong about that

:33:33.:33:35.

but he did not make a big thing about it. It does not appear that

:33:36.:33:38.

way but as you say, we are checking back on it. That seems to be a

:33:39.:33:40.

rather significant missed opportunity. You had the government

:33:41.:33:42.

breaking a manifesto commitment and the Leader of the Opposition not

:33:43.:33:51.

picking up majorly on that. His main accusation however, against the

:33:52.:33:55.

government and his description of it was a Budget of complacency. Mr

:33:56.:33:57.

Corbyn went through many of the group that he believes very firmly

:33:58.:34:01.

have been let down by this government, people who have been on

:34:02.:34:07.

wages frozen in the public sector for a long time, people who are

:34:08.:34:10.

finding it difficult because of benefit freezes and they have been

:34:11.:34:15.

in that situation for a long time. But we always say on this day,

:34:16.:34:20.

responding to the Chancellor, as the Leader of the Opposition, who is not

:34:21.:34:23.

somebody close to the numbers, is one of the hardest tasks out there

:34:24.:34:27.

and we know already that Mr Corbyn is not the most effective Commons

:34:28.:34:31.

performer that there is. We also know behind him on the benches, he's

:34:32.:34:35.

got a lot of division to deal with. I don't think this will go down as

:34:36.:34:38.

one of the most devastatingly effective responses to Budget by the

:34:39.:34:47.

Leader of the Opposition. As we have mentioned the national insurance

:34:48.:34:51.

issues and as we look at it in a little more detail, what for you

:34:52.:34:54.

will people take away from this? Is it going to be the fact he is

:34:55.:34:58.

allocated ?2 billion to social care which has been such a big headline

:34:59.:35:01.

issue over the last few months, given the massive pressures on the

:35:02.:35:05.

system? Or is it the fact that some of the borrowing and growth figures

:35:06.:35:08.

have been changed at least in the near term? There are a number of

:35:09.:35:12.

things, firstly that the improvement in the public finances he believes

:35:13.:35:18.

are short-term. I think that is quite a political position to take

:35:19.:35:21.

because he thinks he is therefore shooting the Labour fox which is

:35:22.:35:24.

this idea that because the public finances are better this year, you

:35:25.:35:27.

should be able to spend more because you have more headroom. He says he

:35:28.:35:31.

only has more headroom for the year, and then next year, the public

:35:32.:35:34.

borrowing levels will be back to where they were forecast before. It

:35:35.:35:39.

was interesting that although there was better news this year, quite a

:35:40.:35:45.

surprising amount of skill Paul Wood news for future years. They are

:35:46.:35:48.

still preparing the country for the idea that austerity is not over. I

:35:49.:35:52.

think that was one big point. I think on things like social care,

:35:53.:35:56.

and he has spoken about this notion that yes, there can be some sticking

:35:57.:36:02.

plaster approaches, so a bit more money, ?2 billion is not

:36:03.:36:05.

insignificant but in terms of the social care issue, it is quite a

:36:06.:36:09.

small amount. But he launched a review on social care which will be

:36:10.:36:12.

much more significant than the amount he put in today. I think that

:36:13.:36:16.

is an important thing that we will see the results of in the Autumn

:36:17.:36:22.

Statement. Sorry, the Autumn Budget later this year and in the next few

:36:23.:36:25.

years. The other big thing is the change on taxation and rights on the

:36:26.:36:29.

way we work. One of the biggest changes for the economy is this idea

:36:30.:36:35.

that people are going to be working in technology companies, in

:36:36.:36:41.

self-employment, what is called the gig economy, hyper flexible, quite

:36:42.:36:47.

precarious work which is taxed very differently from the way people who

:36:48.:36:50.

are employed by companies directly, the way they are taxed. I think this

:36:51.:36:55.

big change is a really important part of the next five years of how

:36:56.:36:59.

this country is with increasing automation. I think it was quite

:37:00.:37:04.

deliberate that Brexit was not a big part of this Budget. I think the

:37:05.:37:08.

Treasury, to use the most horrible word, is likely sick of Brexcuses!

:37:09.:37:17.

You're right, that is a horrible word. Are never use it again, don't

:37:18.:37:22.

worry, that everything the country does is somehow linked to the Brexit

:37:23.:37:26.

negotiations. This country, economically, has big problems on

:37:27.:37:32.

productivity, skills, health care, automation, New World of work. They

:37:33.:37:37.

are frankly nothing to do with whether we are in or out of the

:37:38.:37:42.

European Union and actually, Mr Hammond has raised all of those

:37:43.:37:46.

areas as paths that the government is going to attempt to solve.

:37:47.:37:51.

Although the Budget was small, the issues were huge. Word saying on

:37:52.:37:55.

social care, you're absolutely right, for number ten, this has

:37:56.:37:59.

rapidly been rising up the rails as one of Theresa May's biggest

:38:00.:38:03.

preoccupations in terms of domestic problems, so putting Brexit to one

:38:04.:38:08.

side. What has happened is in the last few months, Theresa May went to

:38:09.:38:11.

government departments and said, "I want a piece of work on my desk in

:38:12.:38:14.

time for the Budget that basically tells me the situation on the

:38:15.:38:18.

ground. From then on, we will go forward and try to find a solution

:38:19.:38:23.

to fix it". That is essentially what Philip Hammond announced today, they

:38:24.:38:26.

will come up with something in the autumn but there's already

:38:27.:38:28.

internally in government a lot of disagreement on what the solution

:38:29.:38:35.

looks like. Significant, politically, though, that he,

:38:36.:38:37.

against the wishes of maybe some other people, absolutely ruled out

:38:38.:38:39.

going back to the so-called death tax, a payment on the estates to pay

:38:40.:38:43.

for social care. Let's talk to the business editor

:38:44.:38:51.

for Northern Ireland, John Campbell. Extra money for Scotland and Wales

:38:52.:38:55.

and Northern Ireland today. Put it in context and where will it go?

:38:56.:38:57.

In context, it is peanuts, ?90 million is not very much at all over

:38:58.:39:05.

three years. The difficulty for Northern Ireland at the moment of

:39:06.:39:08.

courses we have a political crisis and behind that, we have a Budget

:39:09.:39:12.

crisis. The Stormont executive has not got around to settling the

:39:13.:39:17.

Budget for the next financial year, 2017-18, so they are in no position

:39:18.:39:20.

to be allocating any of the money anyway. If the executive does not

:39:21.:39:24.

put a Budget together in the next three weeks, then emergency

:39:25.:39:28.

procedures take place and civil servants will effectively be in

:39:29.:39:31.

charge of storm on finances. They have the ability to keep the lights

:39:32.:39:35.

on but they don't have the ability to start any new spending

:39:36.:39:37.

programmes, set their own policies or allocate any additional money.

:39:38.:39:43.

You mentioned of course the political turmoil and the fact there

:39:44.:39:46.

is a vacuum. I'm wondering, at this point, when we are talking about

:39:47.:39:51.

allocations and the fact there is no Budget, wherefore you are the main

:39:52.:39:55.

demands? Where do people clearly want to focus the extra investment

:39:56.:39:59.

in Northern Ireland at this point? Health is always the big one, the

:40:00.:40:03.

same as the rest of the UK, health is the big issue. We know waiting

:40:04.:40:06.

lists in Northern Ireland are a bigger problem than in any other

:40:07.:40:10.

part of the UK and also big problems in A so it is always crying out

:40:11.:40:13.

for more money. Infrastructure spending, we got a little bit extra

:40:14.:40:17.

in the Autumn Statement which has not been allocated yet and there's

:40:18.:40:21.

lots of demand for that in terms of the road system. Thank you for

:40:22.:40:24.

joining us. John Campbell with the latest reaction in Belfast for us.

:40:25.:40:27.

Our economics editor in Belfast. We can get some more

:40:28.:40:30.

political reaction now. Jonathan Edwards from Plaid Cymru

:40:31.:40:32.

and Jonathan Bartley from the Greens Thank you for waiting patiently. Mr

:40:33.:40:45.

Edwards, ?200 million of extra allocation for the Welsh government.

:40:46.:40:48.

Do you welcome that and where should it be spent? I think that's going to

:40:49.:40:53.

be a bit of a hard sell in Wales, to be perfectly honest. You are talking

:40:54.:40:57.

about the Welsh government is responsible for health services,

:40:58.:41:00.

education, a whole range of public services. The UK Government is

:41:01.:41:06.

spending ?300 million on Buckingham Palace, ?5 billion on the building

:41:07.:41:10.

behind me, ?200 million for Wales is a particularly hard sell for the

:41:11.:41:14.

Tory government. Where should the priority be and if you are asking

:41:15.:41:18.

for an extra allocation, where would it come from? Listen, what we should

:41:19.:41:23.

have is a policy for driving economic growth. If you look at the

:41:24.:41:27.

OBR report which accompanies the Budget and you compare it to last

:41:28.:41:30.

year, for the entire forecasting period, economic growth is down. One

:41:31.:41:36.

of the main reasons for that is business investment is plummeting.

:41:37.:41:39.

Businesses are sitting on stockpiles of cash. They are not using it

:41:40.:41:43.

because of the uncertainty around Brexit. Where was the announcement

:41:44.:41:47.

today to stimulate business investment? Where was the

:41:48.:41:50.

announcement on capital allowances? And talking about Brexit, I know

:41:51.:41:53.

everyone is suffering from Brexit fatigued but next week the Prime

:41:54.:41:57.

Minister is launching the process of leaving the European Union. She's

:41:58.:42:01.

going for the most extreme Brexit option possible, leaving the single

:42:02.:42:05.

market and the customs union. The framework which has governed our

:42:06.:42:08.

trade policy for the last 40 years, there was not a mention of Brexit in

:42:09.:42:13.

the Budget. We are talking about transformational changes and Wales,

:42:14.:42:16.

with our export surplus, is more exposed to the extreme policies of

:42:17.:42:21.

this UK Government. It was incredible the Chancellor did not

:42:22.:42:25.

even mention Brexit in the Budget. Jonathan Bartley, thank you for

:42:26.:42:30.

joining us, what is the greens perspective on the Budget? It would

:42:31.:42:32.

have been nice to have one mention of climate change in the speech. It

:42:33.:42:36.

was noticeable by its absence. This is a Budget which is not preparing

:42:37.:42:40.

us for the 21st-century challenges we have to face. You would think

:42:41.:42:44.

there was not a crisis in the NHS, that the social care system wasn't

:42:45.:42:48.

on its knees, that we did not have average earnings still below the

:42:49.:42:53.

2008, pre-financial crisis level. This is a Budget which is

:42:54.:42:56.

complacent, devoid of vision, not preparing us for the huge challenges

:42:57.:43:01.

we face going forward. Gentlemen, I'm really sorry that time is

:43:02.:43:03.

against us but thank you both for joining us. Jonathan Edwards and

:43:04.:43:08.

Jonathan Bartley. Back in the studio, we're joined by Labour's

:43:09.:43:11.

John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor. You had us worried! We

:43:12.:43:15.

were looking at the clock and wondering if you would come but

:43:16.:43:18.

thank you for joining us. I was doing my duty in the chamber. What

:43:19.:43:22.

did you make of it? Wright scandalous, I was really angry when

:43:23.:43:26.

I listen to it. He takes money off the self-employed, many of them and

:43:27.:43:30.

learners and a lot of them struggling, Bos how much he is

:43:31.:43:37.

reducing for corporations. And at the same time that the one thing I

:43:38.:43:39.

was looking forward the NHS and social care. Social care, sticking

:43:40.:43:42.

plaster. I genuinely thought in all the rumours this morning, he was

:43:43.:43:46.

going to put ?2 billion immediately, but ?2 billion over three years is

:43:47.:43:50.

nowhere near what is needed. NHS, a bit of capital money and nothing

:43:51.:43:55.

more. It is scandalous, this Budget. Why didn't Mr Corbyn mention the

:43:56.:43:58.

national insurance changes, as far as I can see? You have mentioned

:43:59.:44:04.

them straightaway. Was it a miss? He mentioned the overall issue about

:44:05.:44:07.

tax burdens and we wanted to get the figure precisely right and we were

:44:08.:44:10.

number crunching in the background. It was quite shocking. I expected

:44:11.:44:15.

something in terms of the self-employed but I expected there

:44:16.:44:19.

to be Brett protections. -- better protections. What it means is that

:44:20.:44:26.

the always serves your copy will have a tax increase and the company

:44:27.:44:30.

that employs them will have a tax cut. That was the point, Ahmed was

:44:31.:44:34.

making earlier, why start with the work and not the business? Exactly.

:44:35.:44:39.

You mentioned a few things, social care, lots of demands for today to

:44:40.:44:43.

put ?2 billion into social care and he has done that over a certain

:44:44.:44:48.

time. No, he's done it over three years. But it adds up to ?2 billion.

:44:49.:44:53.

But they need it now, I've toured local authorities and health

:44:54.:44:55.

authorities around the country and they all say they are at a tipping

:44:56.:44:59.

point. Many people already are not getting the social care they should.

:45:00.:45:02.

We are at a tipping point with social care, people winding up in

:45:03.:45:05.

hospital, not able to get out because the care is not in the

:45:06.:45:11.

community. They say they need ?1.9 billion now. This is over three

:45:12.:45:15.

years. He almost led our expectation is that we were going to get it and

:45:16.:45:19.

I was going to put into my own speech, "Well done, at least you've

:45:20.:45:24.

listened", and he didn't, it was a sticking plaster. Nothing on the NHS

:45:25.:45:27.

apart from some capital money. There's a crisis going on out there,

:45:28.:45:32.

33,000 excess deaths, that's not me talking, that is an independent

:45:33.:45:36.

assessment. People are being treated on trolleys. The BBC has run some

:45:37.:45:40.

excellent programmes in recent weeks about the NHS. He just doesn't get

:45:41.:45:45.

it. They live in a different world from the rest of us.

:45:46.:45:52.

What should he have put into the NHS today? Up to 10 billion, it should

:45:53.:46:01.

have been immediate, it is a huge investment, but you cannot, on the

:46:02.:46:06.

one hand, be increasing taxes on the middle earners, giving away capital

:46:07.:46:11.

gains tax... But to find 10 billion, you probably would need to boost

:46:12.:46:14.

taxes, wouldn't you? He has had a good month in terms of taxation, he

:46:15.:46:19.

had a bit of leeway today, and he never used it for the purposes that

:46:20.:46:24.

most people would want. The Office for Budget Responsibility says, yes,

:46:25.:46:28.

there was quite a big tax gain this year, but the borrowing levels for

:46:29.:46:32.

next year are very similar to previous forecasts. He has given

:46:33.:46:39.

himself a bit of headway in case of Brexit... You would have used it

:46:40.:46:41.

straightaway? Yes, towards health, and I wouldn't have been giving the

:46:42.:46:45.

corporations and the wealthy tax cuts. What made me angry, he gets up

:46:46.:46:52.

and boasts about reductions in corporation tax, then hits the

:46:53.:46:55.

middle earners, the self-employed, then he does not think on health and

:46:56.:47:00.

social care. But as corporation tax has gone down, receipts have gone

:47:01.:47:04.

up. I don't accept that, because investment is not happening. The

:47:05.:47:10.

corporations are sitting on 500 billion not investing, simple as

:47:11.:47:13.

that. It hasn't prised open the investment that he promised it

:47:14.:47:18.

would. But receipts from corporation tax have gone up. To a certain

:47:19.:47:23.

extent, yes, but not on the scale we need. So cutting it increases the

:47:24.:47:29.

take. No, it does not ensure we get... Those are the figures, John.

:47:30.:47:34.

There is an element of that, but there are other factors, and the

:47:35.:47:42.

main one and making sure that corporations contribute more, is

:47:43.:47:48.

pricing their end in comeback into the economy. On the money that you

:47:49.:47:53.

would put into the NHS, would you be willing to borrow all of it? How

:47:54.:48:00.

much would you be borrowing? I would make sure we did not cut corporation

:48:01.:48:05.

tax. That is 70 billion over the next few years. A lot of people

:48:06.:48:10.

doubt that figure, 70 billion over a few years. If you were Chancellor

:48:11.:48:17.

now... 70 billion has been stacked up independently, that is what is

:48:18.:48:20.

going to happen over the next few years, we would invested in public

:48:21.:48:24.

services. We would not be cutting taxes to the wealthy and

:48:25.:48:29.

corporations, simple as that. Those figures are disputed by some, but

:48:30.:48:33.

let's said that aside, if you were Chancellor now and wanted to be 10

:48:34.:48:37.

billion into the NHS, would you be willing to borrow all of that right

:48:38.:48:42.

now? Two things there, we would not be in the situation we're in now,

:48:43.:48:47.

because I would not cuts taxes to corporations. We would have used

:48:48.:48:50.

that money to invest in public services. In terms of the Lee -- the

:48:51.:48:57.

leeway he has got, he is saving it for an emergency in Brexit, but

:48:58.:49:01.

there is an emergency in our hospitals now. Sorry to interrupt, I

:49:02.:49:06.

don't want anybody to think I am making stuff up! As if! Revenue from

:49:07.:49:15.

corporation tax, just to be clear on this, in 2009-10, it raised around

:49:16.:49:23.

36 billion. In 2015-16, a significant cut, 44 billion. So if

:49:24.:49:27.

you cuts corporation tax... We had some growth in the economy overall,

:49:28.:49:31.

that is why we got the additional tax receipts in. It does not follow

:49:32.:49:36.

that it came as a result of the Government cutting corporation tax,

:49:37.:49:40.

or that the growth came from that. You talk about companies failing to

:49:41.:49:46.

invest, is the best way to incentivise that by hitting them

:49:47.:49:50.

with additional taxes? The best way is long-term stable investment by

:49:51.:49:55.

the state itself. If you were to reduce state investment, it

:49:56.:49:57.

discourages private sector investment, so what you would be

:49:58.:50:02.

doing is adopting Labour policy by having a national investment bank,

:50:03.:50:06.

pull money and to prise open, usually about two and a half times

:50:07.:50:09.

in the European Union investment bank, private money. We have at

:50:10.:50:13.

classic underinvestment for the last seven years, so therefore there

:50:14.:50:16.

haven't been the opportunities for the private sector to invest,

:50:17.:50:20.

stimulators by the state. Can I ask you about the self-employment issue?

:50:21.:50:24.

It does get to what the Government is opening the door to, this notion

:50:25.:50:31.

of a disparity between self-employed people's taxation and those who are

:50:32.:50:36.

employed, do you agree that disparity needs to be levelled out,

:50:37.:50:42.

or do you believe the tax advantages of being self-employed should be

:50:43.:50:46.

maintained? The bigger disparity is at the higher wage levels, OK,

:50:47.:50:51.

because once you get past the higher earnings limit, your national

:50:52.:50:53.

insurance contribute in force from 12% down to 2%. That is like all

:50:54.:51:00.

employees. If you are going to do anything at all with regard to

:51:01.:51:06.

that... There was no disparity there. But if you are looking to

:51:07.:51:09.

raise money, it would be those who are earning the most, and that is

:51:10.:51:14.

what he has done, hit the middle and low earners. It would have been

:51:15.:51:18.

better for him to have a proper consultation and discussion on this,

:51:19.:51:21.

because if people had been asked, do you want corporations' taxes cut,

:51:22.:51:31.

the wealthiest? I think... You think it should have been aimed elsewhere

:51:32.:51:35.

will stop if you were Chancellor now, would you reverse it? We will

:51:36.:51:39.

see where we go from here in terms of what happens around

:51:40.:51:41.

self-employment. I thought what the Government was going to do was have

:51:42.:51:46.

a sensible consultation about self-employment overall, because

:51:47.:51:49.

that is what they said a few months ago, in terms of its growing, what

:51:50.:51:54.

is bogus self-employment, what Israel self-employment? How do we

:51:55.:51:59.

adapt to the gig economy? What sort of benefits do they get? He has

:52:00.:52:02.

taken money off them and promised jam tomorrow. I can see why there is

:52:03.:52:09.

a sense of grievance. In technical terms, in terms of fairness, if you

:52:10.:52:15.

enter ?20,000, so you are a nurse in a local hospital, and your next-door

:52:16.:52:19.

neighbour is a self-employed person, an agency nurse bats, declaring

:52:20.:52:24.

themselves a self-employed, and they are paying significantly less than

:52:25.:52:28.

you are in tax, do you accept that there is an issue of fairness? That

:52:29.:52:34.

is the Treasury's case. The Treasury's case is that it should be

:52:35.:52:37.

levelled up, but they are also saying that the employed get

:52:38.:52:40.

additional benefits that the self-employed do not, and in the

:52:41.:52:44.

future we will have a consultation and tell you what the outcome of

:52:45.:52:48.

that is at some later date. If you are going to do something like this,

:52:49.:52:52.

you have to treat everyone fairly, and you have to do it

:52:53.:52:56.

simultaneously. But the self-employed person will still be

:52:57.:53:01.

paying less, even with this levelling up. Yeah, but the issue

:53:02.:53:06.

is, people have a general sense of unfairness. You pay in in national

:53:07.:53:11.

insurance, in return you get certain benefits. If you pay the same as

:53:12.:53:17.

everyone else and you're not getting the same benefits, no wonder there

:53:18.:53:22.

is a sense of grievance. Why did he bounce this into this Budget at this

:53:23.:53:26.

point in time? He was scrabbling around for additional money. And

:53:27.:53:30.

then he does not put it where it is needed, into either social care or

:53:31.:53:34.

health. You accept there is an phone is but he should have thought about

:53:35.:53:41.

it more carefully? -- there is an fairness. That has to be on both

:53:42.:53:46.

sides, you cannot have it on both sides. We are out of time, John,

:53:47.:53:51.

thank you very much for coming in. Straight back to Hull to join Jo.

:53:52.:53:56.

Well, Huw, Chancellor Philip Hammond said he wanted to make Britain the

:53:57.:54:00.

best place to start and grow a business. This factory in hell has

:54:01.:54:05.

been in the same family for four generations, so they are one of the

:54:06.:54:09.

city's success stories, but did the Chancellor put his money where his

:54:10.:54:16.

mouth is? Andrew Horncastle, you run a property development company, the

:54:17.:54:21.

lowering of corporation tax has been confirmed, will that help business?

:54:22.:54:28.

Yeah, bringing it down is where we want it to be. At the end of the

:54:29.:54:32.

day, with Brexit coming up, we need to be very competitive, so

:54:33.:54:38.

corporation tax is something that people will notice. The criticism

:54:39.:54:42.

from the opposition is that there is a risk of making Britain a low tax,

:54:43.:54:47.

bargain basement economy, you don't agree? I do not think there is any

:54:48.:54:52.

risk of that, we create great products, we have got great people,

:54:53.:54:58.

and I think that people will want to buy those products from us. One of

:54:59.:55:04.

the things you are concerned about his skills - were you buoyed by the

:55:05.:55:08.

fact that the Chancellor is talking about parity between technical and

:55:09.:55:12.

academic qualifications? Very buoyant, and it is important that we

:55:13.:55:18.

all recognise the importance of trade skills, technical skills,

:55:19.:55:21.

vocational skills, and how valuable they are. When young people speak to

:55:22.:55:28.

me and ask me, you know, what should they do? I encourage them to get a

:55:29.:55:33.

trade, because having a trade is something that no-one can take away

:55:34.:55:37.

from you, and even if you don't pursue it immediately, it is

:55:38.:55:41.

something you can come back to. Retention of staff is important,

:55:42.:55:46.

particularly in an area like Hull, what was your reaction to the

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controversy over the business rates revaluation and the height in

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national insurance contributions. Employed people? The business rates

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issue has been in the news recently, and it is more related to the south,

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where property prices have been rising. In the north, we have not

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seen that, so that is not the major issues here. What is encouraging is

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the increase in the threshold of the small business rates, where it is

:56:14.:56:19.

going from ?6,000 to ?12,000, that will help a lot of small businesses

:56:20.:56:26.

in the North. On national insurance, I think we should be encouraging

:56:27.:56:31.

people to go into self-employment, start businesses, so I am not so

:56:32.:56:35.

sure about that one. Andrew Horncastle, thank you very much.

:56:36.:56:40.

There were lots of things that were announced in the autumn but which

:56:41.:56:44.

are coming through the system, and those will be important to our

:56:45.:56:49.

viewers too. Let's go to our personal finance expert, Ruth

:56:50.:56:53.

Alexander, to take us through some of those issues.

:56:54.:57:02.

Thanks very much, yes, a question from Anne, on the cap on certain

:57:03.:57:10.

household benefits, ?26,000 a year in London, ?20,000 outside London,

:57:11.:57:16.

and unfortunately, Anne, the answer is not that much. Quite a lot of the

:57:17.:57:20.

measures announced by the Chancellor, and a lot of them had

:57:21.:57:23.

been previously announced, they actually affect people who earn

:57:24.:57:29.

above a certain level. So for example the personal allowance

:57:30.:57:32.

threshold, above which you pay income tax, that will go up, we knew

:57:33.:57:38.

that already, up to ?11,500. If you earn above that amount, you will

:57:39.:57:41.

have a few more pounds in your pocket. The higher rate tax

:57:42.:57:46.

threshold will kick in later, the 40% threshold, that is going up to

:57:47.:57:51.

?45,000. But that doesn't apply to people who are living in Scotland.

:57:52.:57:58.

Back to you in the studio. Ruth, thanks very much, thank you to

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all your guests with Jo. Quick final thoughts in the studio, Simon

:58:04.:58:08.

Gerrard welcome relief on business rates, this was a nice late and

:58:09.:58:12.

problem for a small number of companies, a reasonable amount of

:58:13.:58:16.

money but a long-term problem that will return. For the self-employed,

:58:17.:58:22.

they will see tax rises. Very little incentive for new investment for big

:58:23.:58:27.

businesses. Kamal Ahmed? Bigger growth for this year, but pain

:58:28.:58:31.

probably delayed rather than cancelled, downgrading the growth

:58:32.:58:36.

forecast to next year. Safety first, but with the risk of a big row over

:58:37.:58:41.

those rate increases in national insurance. The talking will go on,

:58:42.:58:45.

thank you for being good company. There is coverage on the BBC News

:58:46.:58:49.

Channel and plenty of detail online with background, blogs, I have no

:58:50.:58:54.

doubt, from my three colleagues, and indeed all the reaction which is

:58:55.:58:58.

still coming in. You can follow all of that on all the platforms. For

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now, from all of the team here at Westminster, on Budget day, thanks

:59:05.:59:05.

for watching and goodbye. Oh, the dragon.

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Dylan Thomas. Richard Burton.

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Barry Island. The River Shannon.

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We invented the submarine.

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