0:00:05 > 0:00:08It's 11:30, Wednesday November the 22nd.
0:00:08 > 0:00:11In 60 minutes, Chancellor Phillip Hammond will deliver the first
0:00:11 > 0:00:15Autumn Budget for over 20 years.
0:00:15 > 0:00:18As we head towards life outside the European Union,
0:00:18 > 0:00:21can Spreadsheet Phil move beyond the numbers and tell us
0:00:21 > 0:00:27about the shape of things to come?
0:00:54 > 0:00:56Good morning, live from Westminster.
0:00:56 > 0:01:03Welcome to our special coverage of this Autumn Budget of 2017.
0:01:03 > 0:01:06The last Chancellor to deliver a Budget as the leaves turned brown
0:01:06 > 0:01:09was Kenneth Clarke back in 1996.
0:01:09 > 0:01:12The following year, Labour's new Chancellor, a young chap
0:01:12 > 0:01:15called Gordon Brown, delivered a summer Budget
0:01:15 > 0:01:18following his party's landslide election victory.
0:01:18 > 0:01:21After that, Budgets took place in the early spring and have
0:01:21 > 0:01:23remained there ever since.
0:01:23 > 0:01:30Until today.
0:01:30 > 0:01:33Well, just a few minutes ago, the Chancellor emerged from Number
0:01:33 > 0:01:3511 Downing Street with the special red box containing
0:01:35 > 0:01:43the Budget speech.
0:01:43 > 0:01:54The red box goes all the way back to Gladstone when he was Chancellor.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57The Chancellor was accompanied by his Treasury team,
0:01:57 > 0:01:58including Elizabeth Truss, the Chief Secretary,
0:01:58 > 0:02:00and his deputy in the department.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02We'll be speaking to her once the Budget has been revealed.
0:02:02 > 0:02:06The Chancellor will have to sit through PMQs at noon.
0:02:06 > 0:02:11He'll be on his feet by 12:30, assuming the Speaker sticks to time.
0:02:11 > 0:02:15Stay with us as we bring you the Budget in full,
0:02:15 > 0:02:21expert analysis and reaction from across the political spectrum.
0:02:21 > 0:02:24I'm outside Parliament, gauging reaction from leading
0:02:24 > 0:02:26political figures and assessing how Westminster will respond
0:02:26 > 0:02:29to today's Budget.
0:02:29 > 0:02:32I'm in Peterborough, at a leading manufacturer of lorry trailers.
0:02:32 > 0:02:35The Government has big plans to promote growth in this area
0:02:35 > 0:02:37so what will businesses in this region
0:02:37 > 0:02:41make of today's announcements?
0:02:41 > 0:02:44And the Budget will have a big impact on your personal finances.
0:02:44 > 0:02:47I'll be taking your questions on how it affects you and your family.
0:02:54 > 0:02:56Keeping me company, and keeping me right,
0:02:56 > 0:03:00throughout today's four-hour special, a trio of BBC expertise
0:03:00 > 0:03:03at its finest.
0:03:03 > 0:03:06Political editor Laura Kuenssberg, economics editor Kamal Ahmed,
0:03:06 > 0:03:11and business editor Simon Jack.
0:03:11 > 0:03:13As well as their on-air comments, they'll be providing plenty
0:03:13 > 0:03:20of thoughts on social media as the speech unfolds.
0:03:20 > 0:03:22If you want to join the Twitter conversation,
0:03:22 > 0:03:24use the hashtag #Budget2017.
0:03:24 > 0:03:29You can also email us at HaveYourSay@bbc.co.uk.
0:03:29 > 0:03:32We'll try and put some of your tweets and emails
0:03:32 > 0:03:38to our experts during the programme.
0:03:38 > 0:03:42Well, the Treasury has given this Budget a name -
0:03:42 > 0:03:49it's called Building a Britain Fit for the Future.
0:03:49 > 0:03:51It just trips off the tongue!
0:03:51 > 0:03:53Think of it as Philip Hammond's version of
0:03:53 > 0:03:55the long-term economic plan.
0:03:55 > 0:03:57Remember that?
0:03:57 > 0:04:00The Cabinet have been meeting in Downing Street this morning
0:04:00 > 0:04:06where the Chancellor presented his Budget.
0:04:06 > 0:04:10Of course, they can only rubber-stamp it now. It is too late
0:04:10 > 0:04:15to change anything. He told Cabinet colleagues he would set out a vision
0:04:15 > 0:04:20for post-Brexit Britain. That would allow the country to grasp the
0:04:20 > 0:04:24opportunities that leaving the EU provides. A vision from Philip
0:04:24 > 0:04:33Hammond. Stay tuned for that. Laura, all budgets are political but this
0:04:33 > 0:04:37one has a high political bar to climb. It from what I see it is
0:04:37 > 0:04:41meant to stabilise a shaky government, stabilise a shaky Prime
0:04:41 > 0:04:45Minister, but keep the Chancellor in his job.And as much as it has a
0:04:45 > 0:04:49high bar of what it needs to achieve, it has a pretty low bar in
0:04:49 > 0:04:53terms of the scale of measures we actually expect. I think the biggest
0:04:53 > 0:04:58thing for Philip Hammond to do today is not dropped the ball, not mess
0:04:58 > 0:05:09up. Yes, the government is pretty shaky, bit wobbly, fragile
0:05:09 > 0:05:11certainly, probably the best word of use -- the best word to use about
0:05:11 > 0:05:14the state of affairs. There are people in the Tory party, sitting on
0:05:14 > 0:05:18the benches behind him, some of them want to see him gone. And thirdly,
0:05:18 > 0:05:22he has to try and show that he has been able to go some way of
0:05:22 > 0:05:26addressing the concerns among many members of the public that meant the
0:05:26 > 0:05:31Tories lost their majority. So a very difficult cocktail of goals for
0:05:31 > 0:05:36him to try and score today, but I think today the main objective is
0:05:36 > 0:05:41don't mess up. The last time he was at the dispatch box he made a very
0:05:41 > 0:05:47big mistake and then did a dramatic screeching U-turn a week later.So
0:05:47 > 0:05:51the Tory backbenches are nervous about this Budget and worried if he
0:05:51 > 0:05:56is up to it?They certainly are. One Cabinet minister said to me last
0:05:56 > 0:06:03week, things are very difficult. If it is a difficult Budget things
0:06:03 > 0:06:06could get very difficult. Talk about understatement. The government has
0:06:06 > 0:06:10gone from crisis to crisis in the last few weeks, whether that was
0:06:10 > 0:06:13over Cabinet resignations or whether it was the ongoing drama and the
0:06:13 > 0:06:18pretty public scrapping of what is going on in the Brexit negotiations.
0:06:18 > 0:06:23They have had to weather a series of cyclones, if you like, and there is
0:06:23 > 0:06:30a question of whether they are holding on and a Budget to go wrong
0:06:30 > 0:06:32could be extremely serious for them. That said, as we have discussed on
0:06:32 > 0:06:36many occasions, the fundamentals of the Tory party have not really
0:06:36 > 0:06:40changed. There is no one person who wants to stick their hand up and
0:06:40 > 0:06:45they move out, Theresa, my turn. I think we should not overrate the
0:06:45 > 0:06:49idea that somehow Philip Hammond is auditioning today to keep his job. I
0:06:49 > 0:06:55am not sure we are in that territory.We will see. Kamal,
0:06:55 > 0:06:59budgets these days are all about borrowing and financing the
0:06:59 > 0:07:02deficits, this government has borrowed a tonne more money, it is
0:07:02 > 0:07:07going to borrow more, but there are constraints?Absolutely, Andrew.
0:07:07 > 0:07:16Let's look at some of the economic challenges. Let's start with the
0:07:16 > 0:07:18all-important borrowing figures. That is the money the government
0:07:18 > 0:07:22used to cover the difference between what it spends and what it raises in
0:07:22 > 0:07:27taxes. Let's go back to March and the Office for Budget
0:07:27 > 0:07:30Responsibility, the official government watchdog, and it forecast
0:07:30 > 0:07:35for the last financial year, borrowing would hit that big number,
0:07:35 > 0:07:39£51.7 billion, then it would go down. Go up a little bit this
0:07:39 > 0:07:45financial year and then gently go down to the end of 2022 down to
0:07:45 > 0:07:49£16.8 billion. It looks like the Chancellor wants to stick to that
0:07:49 > 0:07:53target of balancing the books, wiping out the deficit by the middle
0:07:53 > 0:07:57of the next decade. But some good news here for the Chancellor. Not a
0:07:57 > 0:08:01lot of it about! The borrowing figures are slightly more positive
0:08:01 > 0:08:05than was expected. For the last financial year, borrowing is
0:08:05 > 0:08:11expected to come in at £45.7 billion. Under what they thought. If
0:08:11 > 0:08:17that is reflected what is called the forecast period up to 2022, that
0:08:17 > 0:08:23means he could have a little more wriggle room on what he can spend.
0:08:23 > 0:08:26Said that undershoot could have an impact in the current financial year
0:08:26 > 0:08:31and the next one as well, but there is another issue as well? We have
0:08:31 > 0:08:35heard a lot about productivity. We know our productivity growth in
0:08:35 > 0:08:39recent years has been poor, it is a dominant in the Western world, not
0:08:39 > 0:08:43just Britain, but it has been particularly bad here. But there has
0:08:43 > 0:08:48now been talk in the run-up that because of poor productivity growth,
0:08:48 > 0:08:53that will impact on the deficit reduction plans. How does that work?
0:08:53 > 0:08:58All of the better news on borrowing, all of that frankly over the longer
0:08:58 > 0:09:04term could be blown out of the water by this productivity problem.
0:09:04 > 0:09:07Productivity is basically the way the economy produces wealth. As you
0:09:07 > 0:09:11say, it has been growing very slowly since the financial crisis. That
0:09:11 > 0:09:15matters because that hits economic growth and that means that the
0:09:15 > 0:09:19government simply does not receive the tax revenues that it might have
0:09:19 > 0:09:26expected, had the economy been growing more rapidly. Now, the OBR
0:09:26 > 0:09:31has suggested that it is minded to substantially downgrade the
0:09:31 > 0:09:35productivity forecast for the future. If it does that, that could
0:09:35 > 0:09:41add as much as 53 billion pounds to the borrowing requirements of this
0:09:41 > 0:09:48government.That would completely screw up the deficit reduction
0:09:48 > 0:09:53plans.Exactly. The Institute for Fiscal Studies said last month if
0:09:53 > 0:09:58the prospects for productivity of very poor, that means by 2022, the
0:09:58 > 0:10:03borrowing requirement would go up to that big black bar on the far right
0:10:03 > 0:10:11of that chart, £69.9 billion. That is very gloomy.It is pretty
0:10:11 > 0:10:16extreme?Yes, but what is important, Andrew, it shows a small tweak on
0:10:16 > 0:10:27that productivity number has a big
0:10:28 > 0:10:30effect on the public finances.The problem is, the OBR will say because
0:10:30 > 0:10:33of productivity growth not being that good, it will have the
0:10:33 > 0:10:35following bad impact on the deficit. But we're not quite clear, it is a
0:10:35 > 0:10:39bit of a stretch to know what it is? That is true. It has an effect on
0:10:39 > 0:10:45people's incomes as well. There has been some better news in the last
0:10:45 > 0:10:50three months. Productivity is up 1% after two quarters of decline, so
0:10:50 > 0:10:56maybe there is a bit of sunshine.We will see. It is a tricky one for the
0:10:56 > 0:11:01Chancellor 's. For all chancellors, all sorts of problems can be washed
0:11:01 > 0:11:06away if the government grows robustly because you get more tax
0:11:06 > 0:11:10revenue. Our economy is growing but not robust Lee, it would be fair to
0:11:10 > 0:11:17say?If we go back to what the OBR forecast last March, they said
0:11:17 > 0:11:21growth would be a pretty respectable 2%. That would help the public
0:11:21 > 0:11:32finances. This year, that forecast is likely to be downgraded. The Bank
0:11:32 > 0:11:37of England suggested in its inflation report, that figure 16%
0:11:37 > 0:11:40for growth, we must expect that the OBR will follow that lead from the
0:11:40 > 0:11:46Bank of England, will degrade growth, and alongside the
0:11:46 > 0:11:52downgrading productivity, that means that these are two substantial
0:11:52 > 0:11:57headwinds that the government wants to hit this balancing the books
0:11:57 > 0:12:03target by the middle of the next decade.And the forecast on 2018 and
0:12:03 > 0:12:092019 growth were a bit gloomy already, they were around the 1.6
0:12:09 > 0:12:13mark so it does not look like a booming growth is his get out of
0:12:13 > 0:12:18jail card?No, and it will be adjusting to see what the OBR will
0:12:18 > 0:12:21say about subsequent growth and also what it will say about the possible
0:12:21 > 0:12:26impact of Brexit.Of course, they are forecasts, and although they
0:12:26 > 0:12:30don't like me mentioning it, the OBR has been known to be wrong in the
0:12:30 > 0:12:36past but we will see what happens with the new ones. Simon, unusually
0:12:36 > 0:12:39for a Tory government, a lot of people in the business community
0:12:39 > 0:12:44think this is an anti-business government. They don't like a lot of
0:12:44 > 0:12:47the rhetoric, they don't think the government is doing much for
0:12:47 > 0:12:53business. So what are their expectations for today?Businesses
0:12:53 > 0:12:57don't like budgets. They think every bit of tinkering by the Chancellor
0:12:57 > 0:13:02means they have to go back and change this. It is a lot of
0:13:02 > 0:13:06administrative burden for them. They have every reason to be suspicious
0:13:06 > 0:13:09of the government. There was the perceived attack on the
0:13:09 > 0:13:12self-employed when they tried to increase National Insurance. They
0:13:12 > 0:13:18are dealing with auto enrolment for pensions, they got a big revaluation
0:13:18 > 0:13:21in parts of the country their business rates so they are feeling a
0:13:21 > 0:13:26bit dustup. And yet, the Chancellor needs business to invest if he's
0:13:26 > 0:13:31going to unlock the productivity problem for the future. Businesses
0:13:31 > 0:13:38are saying there is too much month left at the end of the money.I like
0:13:38 > 0:13:43that!It is very hard for us to invest so help us to help you. They
0:13:43 > 0:13:47are hoping there will be little change. There are a couple of
0:13:47 > 0:13:52measures which might come in today, for example, business rates
0:13:52 > 0:13:57evaluation going from RPI inflation measure to a lower one. And then
0:13:57 > 0:14:00bring it forward more quickly. Things like that could help them but
0:14:00 > 0:14:06basically they are saying, don't do too much. The Chancellor will say in
0:14:06 > 0:14:152010 the corporation tax was 22% and it is now 19% and headed down to 17.
0:14:15 > 0:14:21They will say we are helping you out.We have just been clearing our
0:14:21 > 0:14:25throats here. There will be plenty more from Laura, Kamal and Simon
0:14:25 > 0:14:31throughout this for our special. In a moment, we will join Jo Coburn in
0:14:31 > 0:14:38Peterborough but first to Jane Hill on College Green.
0:14:38 > 0:14:44Philip Hammond's last budget back in March. Here we are again and it is
0:14:44 > 0:14:49November and no longer the Autumn Statement. Another budget. How much
0:14:49 > 0:14:55has changed since then. We have had the election, the government had a
0:14:55 > 0:15:01reduced majority and Britain is on its path to get out of the EU. Let's
0:15:01 > 0:15:10have a reminder of how much has changed.
0:15:10 > 0:15:19The main rate for the self employed will increase to 10%. I have decided
0:15:19 > 0:15:24not to proceed with the class four measures set out in the budget.The
0:15:24 > 0:15:29Article 50 process is under way and in accordance with the wishes of the
0:15:29 > 0:15:37British people the United Kingdom is leaving the European Union. I have
0:15:37 > 0:15:41just chaired a meeting of the cabinet where we agreed the
0:15:41 > 0:15:49government should call a general election.Labour will take our
0:15:49 > 0:15:55railways back into public ownership and put passengers first.What is
0:15:55 > 0:16:00Britain's deficit? Did somebody passing a piece of paper? What is
0:16:00 > 0:16:09our deficit.Not at all. The first ever proper plan to pay for and
0:16:09 > 0:16:15provide social care. Nothing has changed. We are offering a long-term
0:16:15 > 0:16:20solution for the sustainability of social care for the future.What we
0:16:20 > 0:16:26are saying is the Conservatives are the largest party. Note they do not
0:16:26 > 0:16:37have an overall majority at this stage.I hope you notice that, the
0:16:37 > 0:16:39Chancellor giving something away free.
0:16:39 > 0:16:49LAUGHTER. Just a reminder of what people at
0:16:49 > 0:16:52Westminster and the country has been living through the last few months.
0:16:52 > 0:16:59We can discuss what Philip Hammond's task is today. Debbie Abrahams is
0:16:59 > 0:17:04with me for Labour and Theresa Villiers for the Conservatives. As
0:17:04 > 0:17:08Philip Hammond left number 11 journalist called out, is this a
0:17:08 > 0:17:14make or break budget?It is, isn't it? It is an important budget, all
0:17:14 > 0:17:18of them are, and Phillip faces a difficult task, team needs to keep
0:17:18 > 0:17:24is on the path to deal with debt but also find investment for
0:17:24 > 0:17:28people'spriorities.Is there scope for that with the backdrop of
0:17:28 > 0:17:35Brexit?He has limited headroom in terms of money available,
0:17:35 > 0:17:40Parliamentary majorities, but he has headroom because of decisions he has
0:17:40 > 0:17:43taken as Chancellor, including adjustments to fiscal rules to
0:17:43 > 0:17:49reflect where we are and the emphasis, we have seen in terms of
0:17:49 > 0:17:53investing in research, technology, computer science, this is about
0:17:53 > 0:17:57making it a competitive economy and seizing opportunities not just as a
0:17:57 > 0:18:01result of leaving the EU but in terms of technology.We will come
0:18:01 > 0:18:08back to some of this. What is Labour's role today? Your party is
0:18:08 > 0:18:15behind in the opinion polls on trust in the economy.We should say it is
0:18:15 > 0:18:19clear austerity over the last seven years has failed dismally and it is
0:18:19 > 0:18:24not just me saying that in the Labour Party, it is the
0:18:24 > 0:18:30International Monetary Fund, it is economists, and others who have said
0:18:30 > 0:18:36absolute failure. People will know this. Let me finish, Jane.They want
0:18:36 > 0:18:42to know what you can pay for what you want to do.This is how we set
0:18:42 > 0:18:47out in the general election how we would pay for spending commitments,
0:18:47 > 0:18:54fully costed. People know that they are... Their living standards have
0:18:54 > 0:18:58gone down and their wages are no more than they were in 2008. What
0:18:58 > 0:19:05changes should Philip Hammond may? We have five priorities, first
0:19:05 > 0:19:09around Social Security and Universal Credit, pause and fix it. We know
0:19:09 > 0:19:14this will push a million more children into poverty as a result of
0:19:14 > 0:19:19cuts. A house-building programme. We just have to go to Westminster to
0:19:19 > 0:19:26see people sleeping rough and it has doubled in the last seven years.
0:19:26 > 0:19:29120,000 children in temporary accommodation. We need to make sure
0:19:29 > 0:19:33the public sector workers get a fair deal to stop the public sector pay
0:19:33 > 0:19:37cap which we would not would stimulate the economy.Austerity
0:19:37 > 0:19:42does not work. How do you respond to that, Theresa Villiers? Do you see
0:19:42 > 0:19:49an increase in rough slippers?The government is determined to tackle
0:19:49 > 0:19:54this and we want an end to rough sleeping and we have commitments in
0:19:54 > 0:19:57the manifesto.You have had seven years and it has got worse.The
0:19:57 > 0:20:05trouble with Labour's plans is they would involve a big increase in
0:20:05 > 0:20:09taxation for ordinary working families. Rubbish. They would
0:20:09 > 0:20:16involve more borrowing. Leaving future generations to pay for our
0:20:16 > 0:20:21debt. We need a balanced approach that recognises we still have not
0:20:21 > 0:20:25cleared the deficit, but we need to deal with debts at a pace that is
0:20:25 > 0:20:30consistent and we doing everything to support the economy and to fund
0:20:30 > 0:20:37public services as generously as we can.On a political point, how vital
0:20:37 > 0:20:42is this performance for Philip Hammond? You are not going to be
0:20:42 > 0:20:47best friends, you are on different sides in the Brexit debate. Is it
0:20:47 > 0:20:54make and break for his future?I would not say I am on a different
0:20:54 > 0:20:58side to the Chancellor. I worked with him in transport and I think he
0:20:58 > 0:21:03is talented. There is pressure on him today and there always is on the
0:21:03 > 0:21:09Chancellor on budget day and I wish him well.They have not cleared the
0:21:09 > 0:21:13deficit they promised in 2015. Economic failure from this
0:21:13 > 0:21:19government. The NHS is in crisis. 30,000 additional deaths according
0:21:19 > 0:21:22to the British Medical Journal.We will discuss it after Philip Hammond
0:21:22 > 0:21:29has stood up at lunchtime. More passionate debate come from here.
0:21:29 > 0:21:35Thanks, Jane.
0:21:35 > 0:21:40Good to see the arguments breaking out already. That bodes well for our
0:21:40 > 0:21:51discussions. Budgets watched closely by businesses and Joe Cockburn is at
0:21:51 > 0:21:56a in Peterborough.
0:21:56 > 0:22:00I am in Peterborough, a city the Conservatives lost to Labour in the
0:22:00 > 0:22:03election and I am at one of the leading manufacturers of lorry
0:22:03 > 0:22:10trailers. It is a company that has expanded over the past years
0:22:10 > 0:22:15significantly. They employ around 250 people and their biggest
0:22:15 > 0:22:20concern, something they would like to see the Chancellor address is
0:22:20 > 0:22:23productivity. It has been a buzzword over the past weeks. Who better to
0:22:23 > 0:22:31talk to the company than the managing director, welcome. And also
0:22:31 > 0:22:38to a local recruitment consultant. I talked about productivity, why is it
0:22:38 > 0:22:43important?We have invested heavily in the last three years in
0:22:43 > 0:22:48infrastructure, building some people and we need it to continue. The
0:22:48 > 0:22:52public have voted, Brexit is on us, and we need breaks to carry out
0:22:52 > 0:22:56investment.What measures are you talking about? If you have money to
0:22:56 > 0:23:02spend why not invest?We need capital investment relief on
0:23:02 > 0:23:07taxation and we have a great workforce here, looking to grow with
0:23:07 > 0:23:12us as a company grows in Peterborough. We need signs to get
0:23:12 > 0:23:19on with the situation we are in.One of the greatest barometers of
0:23:19 > 0:23:23economic performance is recruitment and job levels. What has it been
0:23:23 > 0:23:30like the last six months?We found after the result of Brexit people
0:23:30 > 0:23:34held their breath for briefly. We had a couple of jobs that went on
0:23:34 > 0:23:40hold but since then things have picked up enormously and I think
0:23:40 > 0:23:47people are moving on regardless. We cannot hold still that long. We have
0:23:47 > 0:23:5318 months to go. We are dealing with entry-level and managerial positions
0:23:53 > 0:23:56that are office-based and we find business is good.One big issue
0:23:56 > 0:24:06people want a addressed is cost of living. The government talked about
0:24:06 > 0:24:09high employment levels but are those jobs paying enough to deal with
0:24:09 > 0:24:15rising inflation?I think in this area very much as across the country
0:24:15 > 0:24:22the average pay with you comes at 2%. The cost of inflation is 3% so
0:24:22 > 0:24:30there is a gap causing a problem. I think a number of companies are
0:24:30 > 0:24:35having to do interim pay reviews for specific people to retain those
0:24:35 > 0:24:41skills. We have an issue across the country and in Peterborough with
0:24:41 > 0:24:47digital and IT people because there are not enough to go around. They
0:24:47 > 0:24:51are not coming through.That is a problem. What would you like to see
0:24:51 > 0:24:56the Chancellor do?I would like to see him make it easier for small
0:24:56 > 0:25:03businesses. Peterborough has an higher than average number and we
0:25:03 > 0:25:07need those to boost the economy.We can catch up on some of the personal
0:25:07 > 0:25:15finance issues with our expert. Among the trucks and lorries there
0:25:15 > 0:25:20is so much to watch out for and we hope you will help us with your
0:25:20 > 0:25:25questions and comments. Stamp duty, will there be a holiday for
0:25:25 > 0:25:30first-time buyers? Diesel, a tax on diesel drivers, will it go up?
0:25:30 > 0:25:37Income tax, will there be a trimming of tax breaks for pensioners and
0:25:37 > 0:25:42VAT, will small businesses have to start charging it? And tax on
0:25:42 > 0:25:46alcohol and cigarettes has gone up already this year, will it happen
0:25:46 > 0:25:57again? You should send your comments to have your say. Back to you.
0:25:57 > 0:26:03We can now talk to James Palmer, the Metro Mayor in this region. If there
0:26:03 > 0:26:08was one thing you would like the Chancellor to do what would it be?
0:26:08 > 0:26:12We need to improve infrastructure. Investment by government to
0:26:12 > 0:26:15infrastructure is investing in the next generation and creates the
0:26:15 > 0:26:20opportunity for housing growth, none more so in Cambridgeshire and
0:26:20 > 0:26:25Peterborough. We have businesses like this that want to grow and we
0:26:25 > 0:26:29need to improve infrastructure to make sure they can deliver and bring
0:26:29 > 0:26:33housing forward to feed employment growth in this county.How much
0:26:33 > 0:26:37confidence do you have the Chancellor will be radical enough?
0:26:37 > 0:26:43He is under pressure to do something dramatic, will he be able to deliver
0:26:43 > 0:26:48within the tight constraints?The Chancellor by the nature of position
0:26:48 > 0:26:53is under pressure from everybody. I believe he can forge the right path
0:26:53 > 0:26:58and going the right direction. He can make the right decisions. It his
0:26:58 > 0:27:07chance to be on -- to be honest, to make sure devolved areas like
0:27:07 > 0:27:12Cambridgeshire and Peterborough can get on with the job. It is about
0:27:12 > 0:27:15people like myself also and the position I am in creating the
0:27:15 > 0:27:20environment where we can manage growth it comes to our area.How
0:27:20 > 0:27:26much a priority is the issue of pay for public sector workers? Pay rise
0:27:26 > 0:27:32for nurses and abuse to the NHS?It is key, that it is not just public
0:27:32 > 0:27:36sector workers struggling with low pay increases. The economy is
0:27:36 > 0:27:42strong. We know we are creating jobs. We know we are creating jobs
0:27:42 > 0:27:47and being in work is better than being out of work but we know that
0:27:47 > 0:27:52people want more money and it is not just public sector workers, it is
0:27:52 > 0:27:57people across the board, people in this kind of industry. We have to be
0:27:57 > 0:28:01fair and look after the entire population, not just portions of it.
0:28:01 > 0:28:10That is it from us for the moment. Obviously returned to us soon.
0:28:10 > 0:28:13Thanks, Jo, and you can also take advantage the BBC's range of expert
0:28:13 > 0:28:16analysis and all the latest Budget news on the BBC website -
0:28:16 > 0:28:23that's bbc.co.uk/budget.
0:28:23 > 0:28:29It's nearly midday here at Westminster.
0:28:29 > 0:28:34We can go back to the helicopter. You know it is an important occasion
0:28:34 > 0:28:38when there is a helicopter. We will go to the House of Commons for Prime
0:28:38 > 0:28:43Minister's Questions.
0:28:43 > 0:28:48Will the pay cap be scrapped? It already has been in a couple of
0:28:48 > 0:28:53areas. I expect the Chancellor to set out further reform particularly
0:28:53 > 0:28:57for nurses but what I understand is crucially there will not be extra
0:28:57 > 0:29:05cash to go to public sector pay. If the unions, Labour, people who are
0:29:05 > 0:29:09going home to and from public sector jobs thinking I have desperately
0:29:09 > 0:29:13decided I need a pay rise, if they think they will get it today, I
0:29:13 > 0:29:20understand they will not. There will be extra cash for the NHS but it is
0:29:20 > 0:29:25not clear how much more, not as much as the 4 billion they asked for. I
0:29:25 > 0:29:31expect the NHS would say if the people who decide nurses' pay, which
0:29:31 > 0:29:34is not the NHS itself, so there should be an increase all of that
0:29:34 > 0:29:39extra money could be swallowed up immediately. Not a big check for
0:29:39 > 0:29:46public sector pay but further moves towards say the era when it was held
0:29:46 > 0:29:51down as a political promise, that is gone. Jeremy Hunt said some time ago
0:29:51 > 0:29:56in the Commons the pay cap had gone. I understand he is at a hospital
0:29:56 > 0:29:59somewhere today so there could be money.We are not sure if that is
0:29:59 > 0:30:06the case. There will be some extra money, not sure how much.There are
0:30:06 > 0:30:13a lot of bills in the Chancellor's in trade. He haps to find 2 billion
0:30:13 > 0:30:18on the U-turn on National Insurance and the deal for Northern Ireland
0:30:18 > 0:30:23worth one billion and 2 billion for affordable homes, Mrs May told us,
0:30:23 > 0:30:28public sector pay cap has to be paid for. There have been other spending
0:30:28 > 0:30:33commitments. I would suggest when you add it up and look at the
0:30:33 > 0:30:44difficulties he has with the deficit, he will loosen his belt.
0:30:44 > 0:30:48I have asked your question but you have not got time to answer it! Hold
0:30:48 > 0:30:57that thought and let's go to PMQs. Members across the House will want
0:30:57 > 0:31:01to join me in congratulating Sarah Clark inherited when as Lady Usher
0:31:01 > 0:31:07of the Black Rod. She will be the first woman to hold this role in its
0:31:07 > 0:31:12650 year history and we offer her our best wishes.
0:31:12 > 0:31:15This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others.
0:31:15 > 0:31:21In addition to my duties, I will have further such meetings today.
0:31:21 > 0:31:33Mr Speaker, the BBC are currently broadcasting Drugsland, filmed in my
0:31:33 > 0:31:39constituency, showing the catastrophic impact of drugs laws on
0:31:39 > 0:31:42innocent bystanders. We'll be Prime Minister commit to watching
0:31:42 > 0:31:46Drugsland and Royal commission on our drugs laws which are plainly
0:31:46 > 0:31:51failing?I'm pleased to say that the Home Office under my right
0:31:51 > 0:31:55honourable friend the Home Secretary launched the drugs strategy only a
0:31:55 > 0:31:59matter of weeks ago. We recognise the importance of this issue. Drugs
0:31:59 > 0:32:04significantly affect people's lives, and sadly we also see people driving
0:32:04 > 0:32:08as a result of taking drugs but also the criminal activity that takes
0:32:08 > 0:32:16place around drugs. We take this very seriously, that is why we have
0:32:16 > 0:32:19launched our strategy. Divorce and family breakdown takes
0:32:19 > 0:32:22an emotional toll on all those involved, but the finally dynamic
0:32:22 > 0:32:26often overlooked is that between grandparents and their
0:32:26 > 0:32:29grandchildren. If access to grandchildren is removed or blocked,
0:32:29 > 0:32:34some grandparents call this a form of living bereavement. Will the
0:32:34 > 0:32:37Prime Minister join me, Dame Esther Rantzen, and thousands of
0:32:37 > 0:32:41grandparents across the country, to call for a change in the law to give
0:32:41 > 0:32:46access rights to grandchildren as is the case in France?My honourable
0:32:46 > 0:32:49friend is absolutely right that of course grandparents do play an
0:32:49 > 0:32:54important role in the lives of their grandchildren. We can all I'm sure
0:32:54 > 0:33:00sympathise with those who suffer anguish when they are prevented from
0:33:00 > 0:33:04seeing their grandchildren. When making decisions about a child's
0:33:04 > 0:33:09future, the first consideration must be the child's welfare. The law
0:33:09 > 0:33:13already allows family courts to order that a child should spend time
0:33:13 > 0:33:17with their grandparents and I understand my honourable friend has
0:33:17 > 0:33:20recently seen the Minister for the state of justice and I'm sure they
0:33:20 > 0:33:28will consider the points carefully. Jeremy Corbyn.Thank you, Mr
0:33:28 > 0:33:33Speaker. I joined the Prime Minister in congratulating the new Usher of
0:33:33 > 0:33:36the Black Rod and I am pleased it is a woman who has got that position at
0:33:36 > 0:33:42last. I hope the whole house will join me in sending solidarity
0:33:42 > 0:33:46following the atrocious suicide bombing which killed 50 people in
0:33:46 > 0:33:49eastern Nigeria. We should speak with sympathy for those who have
0:33:49 > 0:33:55lost loved ones and the obvious trauma they are all going through.
0:33:55 > 0:33:59Mr Speaker, the Irish Prime Minister who has discussed Brexit with the
0:33:59 > 0:34:04British government says sometimes it doesn't seem like they have thought
0:34:04 > 0:34:09all this through. So can the Prime Minister reassure him by plainly
0:34:09 > 0:34:17outlining the Government policy on the Irish border?First of all, I am
0:34:17 > 0:34:19glad the right honourable gentleman has welcomed the new Lady Usher of
0:34:19 > 0:34:24the Black Rod. I hope it will not take 650 years before the Labour
0:34:24 > 0:34:35Party has a female leader.
0:34:39 > 0:34:46On the second issue... On the second issue that he raised, he referred to
0:34:46 > 0:34:51the issue of the attack that had taken place in eastern Nigeria, and
0:34:51 > 0:34:55of course I'm sure the thoughts and condolences of the whole House will
0:34:55 > 0:34:59be with those affected by it. He also asked me to outline our policy
0:34:59 > 0:35:03between the border of an end and the Republic of Ireland. I'm very happy
0:35:03 > 0:35:07to do so. We have done so on a number of occasions. We are very
0:35:07 > 0:35:11clear first of all in relation to the movement of people, the Common
0:35:11 > 0:35:16travel area will continue to operate as it has done since 1923, and on
0:35:16 > 0:35:19trade and movement of goods and services across-the-board, we will
0:35:19 > 0:35:27not see a hard border being introduced. We have been very clear.
0:35:27 > 0:35:31Jeremy Corbyn.Mr Speaker, yesterday, the Foreign Secretary
0:35:31 > 0:35:35said there can be no border, that will be unthinkable. Maybe, but they
0:35:35 > 0:35:39have had 17 months to come up with an answer to this question, and
0:35:39 > 0:35:44there is still no answered the question because they have not
0:35:44 > 0:35:48engaged with the negotiations properly. There is another person
0:35:48 > 0:35:56who doesn't think the negotiations are going to and that is the right
0:35:56 > 0:36:00honourable member for Woking, who it was an ecclesiastic campaign for
0:36:00 > 0:36:04Brexit, but also finds time to be the chief global strategist for
0:36:04 > 0:36:11Charles Stanley investments. And he recently advised clients to invest
0:36:11 > 0:36:20elsewhere as the UK is hitting the brakes. Does the Prime Minister take
0:36:20 > 0:36:28advice from the member for Woking and does she agree with him? --
0:36:28 > 0:36:33Wokingham.We have been engaging fully in the negotiations in
0:36:33 > 0:36:38relation to Northern Ireland and other issues with the negotiations,
0:36:38 > 0:36:43and indeed, significant progress has been made. That is why I have said
0:36:43 > 0:36:47we have got agreement on the operation of the Common travel area
0:36:47 > 0:36:52for the future. He says we have not put any ideas about the board out, I
0:36:52 > 0:36:58have to say to him, we published a paper back in the summer on the
0:36:58 > 0:37:02hospital customs arrangements which could take place -- the possible
0:37:02 > 0:37:06customs arrangements which could take place. We are happy to move to
0:37:06 > 0:37:10further discussions of the customs and trading relationship we will
0:37:10 > 0:37:14have not just between Northern Ireland and the Republic, but
0:37:14 > 0:37:16between the United Kingdom and European Union. That does mean
0:37:16 > 0:37:20moving on to face two and the question for the right honourable
0:37:20 > 0:37:25gentleman, if he thinks it is so important, why do his MEPs vote
0:37:25 > 0:37:30against it?Mr Speaker, the EU's chief negotiator said this week the
0:37:30 > 0:37:33UK financial sector will lose its current rights to trade with Europe.
0:37:33 > 0:37:40It seems neither EU negotiators or the Government have any idea where
0:37:40 > 0:37:46this is going. Last week, the Brexit secretary said he would guarantee
0:37:46 > 0:37:50free movement for bankers post Brexit. Are there any other groups
0:37:50 > 0:37:58to whom the Prime Minister believes freedom of movement should apply,
0:37:58 > 0:37:59nurses, doctors, teachers, scientists, agricultural workers,
0:37:59 > 0:38:07care workers?I'm very interested that the right honourable gentleman
0:38:07 > 0:38:10has found that his appearances at prime ministers questions have been
0:38:10 > 0:38:14going so well, he has had to borrow a question from the leader of the
0:38:14 > 0:38:20Liberal Democrats, which he asked me last week. Perhaps the Leader of the
0:38:20 > 0:38:24Opposition should pay more attention to what happens in prime ministers
0:38:24 > 0:38:30questions. We have been absolutely clear that we will be introducing
0:38:30 > 0:38:33new immigration rules and as we introduce them we will take account
0:38:33 > 0:38:39of the needs of the British economy in doing so. That is why the Home
0:38:39 > 0:38:43Secretary has asked the migration advisory committee to advise on base
0:38:43 > 0:38:48areas where we need to pay the killer attention to migration coming
0:38:48 > 0:38:52into the United Kingdom. We want to get on to deal with the question of
0:38:52 > 0:38:59the future trading relationship, but I am also optimistic about the
0:38:59 > 0:39:04opportunities that will be available to this country and about the deal
0:39:04 > 0:39:08we can get from the negotiations we are having. The right honourable
0:39:08 > 0:39:11gentleman cannot even decide if he wants to be in the customs union,
0:39:11 > 0:39:17out of it, in the single market, out of it. He needs to get his act
0:39:17 > 0:39:22together.In April, the Brexit secretary was confident the European
0:39:22 > 0:39:26banking authority would be staying in London. Now he can't even
0:39:26 > 0:39:30guarantee banks having a right to trade with Europe. Last week, the
0:39:30 > 0:39:37Government voted down Labour's amendments to protect workers'
0:39:37 > 0:39:43rights. The Foreign Secretary described employment regulation as
0:39:43 > 0:39:48and I quote: backbreaking. And repeatedly promised to and I quote
0:39:48 > 0:39:52again: scrap the social chapter. Why when she guarantee workers' rights
0:39:52 > 0:39:58order she agree with the Foreign Secretary on these matters?We have
0:39:58 > 0:40:05guaranteed workers' rights. We have introduced a bill in the House of
0:40:05 > 0:40:08Commons to guarantee workers' rights and the Labour Party voted against
0:40:08 > 0:40:17it.Mr Speaker, The Record is clear, this government voted down our
0:40:17 > 0:40:24amendment to protect workers' rights. The Environment Secretary
0:40:24 > 0:40:33said he wanted a green Brexit. Yet again, Conservative MPs voted down
0:40:33 > 0:40:38Labour's amendments to guarantee environmental protection. On the 5th
0:40:38 > 0:40:42of December, Mr Speaker, the European financial summit takes
0:40:42 > 0:40:47place to address the issue of tax dodging as exposed by the Paradise
0:40:47 > 0:40:55papers. There are three proposals on the table, to blacklist tax havens
0:40:55 > 0:41:00like Bermuda, nude transparency rules to tax intermediaries, and
0:41:00 > 0:41:06mandate three country by country reporting for profit. Will the Prime
0:41:06 > 0:41:11Minister back these proposals, or is she is still threatening to turn
0:41:11 > 0:41:19Britain into a tax haven?I will take no lectures from the Labour
0:41:19 > 0:41:26Party on dealing with tax avoidance and tax evasion. £160 billion more
0:41:26 > 0:41:32taken as a result of action taken by Conservatives in government. 75 new
0:41:32 > 0:41:38measures to deal with tax avoidance and tax evasion. And I am pleased to
0:41:38 > 0:41:43say, recently, HMRC won an important case on tax avoidance in the Supreme
0:41:43 > 0:41:48Court, which means a further one point £1 billion coming to the
0:41:48 > 0:41:53United Kingdom. He may talk about tax avoidance and tax evasion, it is
0:41:53 > 0:41:58this government which takes action and makes sure we collect it.Her
0:41:58 > 0:42:03predecessor block EU wide proposals for a public register of trust and
0:42:03 > 0:42:08again, the Conservative MPs have voted down Labour's amendments to
0:42:08 > 0:42:13deal with tax avoidance. Mr Speaker, when it comes to Brexit, this
0:42:13 > 0:42:26government is a shambles.Order! Order! Far too many members are
0:42:26 > 0:42:32gesticulating on both sides of the House in a frenetic and frankly,
0:42:32 > 0:42:41outlandish fashion. I say to the honourable member, he should seek to
0:42:41 > 0:42:44imitate the Zen like calm and statesmanship of the Father of the
0:42:44 > 0:42:55House. Mr Jeremy Corbyn. I have much in common with the
0:42:55 > 0:43:09venom, Mr Speaker. -- I have much in common with zen, Mr Speaker.
0:43:17 > 0:43:23Mr Speaker. 17 months after the referendum, they say there can be no
0:43:23 > 0:43:27hard border but haven't worked out how. They say they will protect
0:43:27 > 0:43:32workers' rights and then vote against it. They say they will
0:43:32 > 0:43:35protect environmental rights and then vote against it. They promised
0:43:35 > 0:43:42action on tax avoidance and then vote against it time and time again.
0:43:42 > 0:43:46And, Mr Speaker, once again the Foreign Secretary offers his
0:43:46 > 0:43:52opinions, as does the Environment Secretary saying, there is
0:43:52 > 0:43:57insufficient energy going into these Brexit negotiations. Their words, Mr
0:43:57 > 0:44:04Speaker, not mine. Is it the truth this government has no energy, no
0:44:04 > 0:44:10agreed plan and no strategy to deliver a good Brexit for Britain?
0:44:10 > 0:44:14Can I say to the right honourable gentleman, he talks about voting
0:44:14 > 0:44:18against tax avoidance measures, it was the Labour Party which refused
0:44:18 > 0:44:23to allow tax avoidance measures to go through in a bill before we
0:44:23 > 0:44:27called the general election. So he should look at his own record and he
0:44:27 > 0:44:32talks about people taking different opinions. I might remind him that on
0:44:32 > 0:44:35Monday, and perhaps the Shadow Chancellor would like to listen to
0:44:35 > 0:44:43this? On Monday, when we were putting through that important piece
0:44:43 > 0:44:48of legislation in relation to customs and taxation and Europe, 76
0:44:48 > 0:44:57Labour MPs voted in a different lobby than his front bench.
0:44:57 > 0:45:04The party has no clue on Brexit in this Commons is the Labour Party.
0:45:04 > 0:45:11Week in and week out the right honourable gentleman comes to this
0:45:11 > 0:45:17House and talks down our country and is pessimistic about our future. Let
0:45:17 > 0:45:25me tell him, I am optimistic about our future. I am optimistic about
0:45:25 > 0:45:29the success we can make a Brexit and I am optimistic about the well-paid
0:45:29 > 0:45:35jobs that will be created, I am optimistic about homes we will
0:45:35 > 0:45:38build, that conservatives are building a Briton fit for the
0:45:38 > 0:45:45future. All he offers is a blast from the past.
0:45:56 > 0:46:01With the Prime Minister reassure people this Conservative government
0:46:01 > 0:46:05is committed to maintaining the United Kingdom's strong commitment
0:46:05 > 0:46:11to the highest standards of animal welfare now and post Brexit.I am
0:46:11 > 0:46:16happy to give that commitment. We already have some of the highest
0:46:16 > 0:46:21animal welfare standards in the world and as we leave the EU we
0:46:21 > 0:46:28should enhance those standards. We have set out proposals to introduce
0:46:28 > 0:46:34mandatory CCTV in slaughterhouses and increase sentences for animal
0:46:34 > 0:46:38cruelty, ban microbeads that damage marine life and banned the ivory
0:46:38 > 0:46:42trade to bring an end to elephant poaching and we recognise animals
0:46:42 > 0:46:50are sentience beings and should be treated accordingly. The animal
0:46:50 > 0:46:55welfare act 2006 provides protection for all animals capable of
0:46:55 > 0:47:00experiencing pain or suffering under the control of man. I reaffirmed to
0:47:00 > 0:47:05my honourable friend we will ensure we maintain and enhance animal
0:47:05 > 0:47:11welfare standards when we leave the EU.
0:47:11 > 0:47:17Can the Prime Minister tell the House how many jobs have been lost
0:47:17 > 0:47:23this week with the departure of the European medicines authority and
0:47:23 > 0:47:31banking authority from London?We are seeing those two agencies leave
0:47:31 > 0:47:34the United Kingdom and go elsewhere in the European Union that when he
0:47:34 > 0:47:38talks about the number of jobs being created we have seen under this
0:47:38 > 0:47:43government 3 million jobs created. That is a record I would have
0:47:43 > 0:47:51thought even he would welcome. Of course, the Prime Minister
0:47:51 > 0:47:56refused to answer the question. Let me tell her, so she is aware of the
0:47:56 > 0:48:03cost of the hard Tory Brexit, losing the EMA and EBA means losing over
0:48:03 > 0:48:081000 jobs and the Bank of England have told us the city will lose
0:48:08 > 0:48:1775,000 jobs, jobs are already gone and jobs are going, Brexit is
0:48:17 > 0:48:22already biting. Will the Prime Minister recognise that exiting the
0:48:22 > 0:48:29EU is losing jobs and centres of excellence from the United Kingdom?
0:48:29 > 0:48:34I recognise that those agencies are leaving the United Kingdom but the
0:48:34 > 0:48:38right honourable gentleman talks about numbers of jobs lost. Since
0:48:38 > 0:48:47the Conservatives came into government, 3 million jobs, 3
0:48:47 > 0:48:51million more people in work, 3 million more people able to provide
0:48:51 > 0:48:58an income for themselves and their families.
0:48:58 > 0:49:02Last year housing associations generated 5.5 billion in cash
0:49:02 > 0:49:09surplus which could be used to build 48,000 new homes. The accumulated
0:49:09 > 0:49:15reserves or housing associations come to 42 billion which would mean
0:49:15 > 0:49:1936,500 properties a year for the next ten years could be built. Would
0:49:19 > 0:49:22my right honourable friend look at ways we can make sure housing
0:49:22 > 0:49:26associations use the money to build the new homes people want rather
0:49:26 > 0:49:32than having them sitting in the bank.He raises an important point
0:49:32 > 0:49:35and the issue of housing and homelessness is something he has
0:49:35 > 0:49:42been a campaigner on. This is already the approach taken by
0:49:42 > 0:49:48housing associations. They are nonprofit organisations and
0:49:48 > 0:49:52surpluses of reinvested in the business and in 2015, investment in
0:49:52 > 0:49:55new and existing property was more than double the surpluses they
0:49:55 > 0:50:03generated. I have announced an additional 2 billion funding for
0:50:03 > 0:50:07affordable homes including social rent and last week housing
0:50:07 > 0:50:10associations were reclassified to the private sector which takes 70
0:50:10 > 0:50:15billion of debt off the balance sheet which means greater certainty
0:50:15 > 0:50:22for housing associations to get on with the job of building more homes.
0:50:22 > 0:50:28My thoughts are with the many constituents who have friends and
0:50:28 > 0:50:35family in Nigeria. The SNP has asked 140 times that the VAT paid by
0:50:35 > 0:50:38police and Fire Services Amber hundred and £40 million to be
0:50:38 > 0:50:44refunded. The Chancellor said only last month legally we would not be
0:50:44 > 0:50:49able to recover that and the UK Government is constrained by the
0:50:49 > 0:50:56rules in place.Was he misleading us? The SNP may have answered a
0:50:56 > 0:51:00number of questions but the SNP knew when they took the decision to
0:51:00 > 0:51:05create a single police and fire authority this would be the VAT
0:51:05 > 0:51:15treatment. Given the revised housing proposals
0:51:15 > 0:51:22that would force unprecedented numbers to the equivalent of a new
0:51:22 > 0:51:27town will the Prime Minister give me and my constituents reassurances
0:51:27 > 0:51:32unnecessary large-scale investment which will need to be made to boost
0:51:32 > 0:51:35public service infrastructure that will have to cope with up to 100,000
0:51:35 > 0:51:45more people?This is of course an important point for people. We want
0:51:45 > 0:51:47to see more homes built because I want young people to have the
0:51:47 > 0:51:51prospect they are going to have the future their parents and
0:51:51 > 0:51:54grandparents had to own their own homes and we will go further in
0:51:54 > 0:51:59building more homes but she is right, as we do that we need to make
0:51:59 > 0:52:04sure the infrastructure is in place and we are putting in billions for
0:52:04 > 0:52:09economic infrastructure up to 2021 including issues like transport,
0:52:09 > 0:52:14fibre broadband, but we recognise the importance of making sure homes
0:52:14 > 0:52:19are supported by the right infrastructure.
0:52:19 > 0:52:22I am proud the last Labour government lifted more than 1
0:52:22 > 0:52:29million children out of poverty. This government seems committed to
0:52:29 > 0:52:34doing the opposite. With the Institute for Fiscal Studies
0:52:34 > 0:52:41predicting an additional 1.2 million children will be pushed into poverty
0:52:41 > 0:52:48by 2021. That is on top of the 4,000,020 15-16. Is the Prime
0:52:48 > 0:52:52Minister proud of her government's record of failure on this and does
0:52:52 > 0:52:58she think the worrying forecast is acceptable?
0:52:58 > 0:53:04Far from the way in which she has portrayed the situation we have seen
0:53:04 > 0:53:10since 2010 600,000 fewer people in absolute poverty, a record low,
0:53:10 > 0:53:19300,000 fewer working age adults in absolute poverty, and 200,000
0:53:19 > 0:53:24children fewer in absolute poverty. 200,000 fewer children in absolute
0:53:24 > 0:53:33poverty. We have also seen families getting into work, 1 million fewer
0:53:33 > 0:53:47work less households. As the Prime Minister is aware
0:53:47 > 0:53:52Scotland is lagging behind the rest of the UK in terms of superfast
0:53:52 > 0:53:57broadband roll-out and in my constituency even further behind. A
0:53:57 > 0:54:04huge volume of my casework... A huge volume of my casework from one of my
0:54:04 > 0:54:09largest towns where 20,000 constituents reside, it is hardly
0:54:09 > 0:54:14what you would deem a remote area, can the Prime Minister confirm the
0:54:14 > 0:54:17next generation of funding to support the roll-out in Scotland
0:54:17 > 0:54:37will bypass that... For businesses and residents in my constituency get
0:54:37 > 0:54:44the ball band a desire?-- broadband they desire. I am happy to confirm
0:54:44 > 0:54:48that to my honourable friend and she will know we are making progress in
0:54:48 > 0:54:55Scotland but we need to go further. So programmes such as five G will
0:54:55 > 0:54:58allocate funding directly to local projects based on the quality of
0:54:58 > 0:55:03bids and my honourable friend the minister for digital has confirmed
0:55:03 > 0:55:07that their next generation of technology, we will deliver it
0:55:07 > 0:55:11directly to local authorities in Scotland. Rather than going through
0:55:11 > 0:55:16the Scottish Government because we want to make sure that Scotland is
0:55:16 > 0:55:27not left behind.
0:55:27 > 0:55:33In 2014 and enquiry was set up to look into a drug given to millions
0:55:33 > 0:55:38of pregnant women in the 60s and 70s that caused deformities and
0:55:38 > 0:55:43documents showing a cover-up. Last week a report was published
0:55:43 > 0:55:47condemned by MPs in the house is being white wash and misleading.
0:55:47 > 0:55:51Will the Prime Minister meet the victims and order a public inquiry
0:55:51 > 0:55:54so justice can be done for these people?
0:55:54 > 0:55:59I know this is an issue number of members have been concerned about
0:55:59 > 0:56:04and recognise the result of the review was not what some families
0:56:04 > 0:56:09were hoping for. It was a comprehensive independent review of
0:56:09 > 0:56:12the available evidence by experts and all the meetings of the working
0:56:12 > 0:56:20were attended by an invited independent expert at the request of
0:56:20 > 0:56:27the patient group and the overall conclusion is that the scientific
0:56:27 > 0:56:31evidence does not support a causal association but that does not
0:56:31 > 0:56:35attract from the real suffering experienced by the families and I
0:56:35 > 0:56:40recognise these conclusions are hard to accept. The Department of Health
0:56:40 > 0:56:50is focused on implementing the recommendations.
0:56:50 > 0:56:55Does my right honourable friend agreed the right revised offer to
0:56:55 > 0:56:59the European Union far from throwing money away would be worthwhile to
0:56:59 > 0:57:01secure the future trading relationship with our European
0:57:01 > 0:57:05neighbours? I say he raises an important issue
0:57:05 > 0:57:10and I set out in my speech in Florence the UK will honour
0:57:10 > 0:57:14commitments we have made during our membership. We do not want European
0:57:14 > 0:57:23partners fearing they will receive less or pay more. We can only
0:57:23 > 0:57:26resolve the financial implications of withdrawal finally as part of the
0:57:26 > 0:57:30settlement of all issues I spoke about in Florence but once that is
0:57:30 > 0:57:34done in the days of Britain paying vast sums of money to the EU every
0:57:34 > 0:57:42year will end.Every Prime Minister since 1946 has successfully
0:57:42 > 0:57:48appointed a British judge to the international Court of Justice.Why
0:57:48 > 0:57:52has she not? Can I say to the honourable gentleman the British
0:57:52 > 0:57:56Prime Minister does not appoint judges to the international Court of
0:57:56 > 0:58:01Justice. There is a process undertaken in the United Nations and
0:58:01 > 0:58:06we wish all the judges who have been appointed by votes through the UN to
0:58:06 > 0:58:15the international Court of Justice well.
0:58:15 > 0:58:19My right honourable friend might be aware in a debate last week members
0:58:19 > 0:58:22of the Scottish National Party declared if the Scottish Government
0:58:22 > 0:58:26did not agree with the final Brexit deal they would push for another
0:58:26 > 0:58:31independence referendum. This obsession with breaking up our
0:58:31 > 0:58:36United Kingdom is damaging the Scottish economy and causing
0:58:36 > 0:58:41uncertainty. Will she Jomni in asking the SNP to drop their
0:58:41 > 0:58:49obsession with a second independence referendum? -- will she join the?
0:58:49 > 0:58:53The point raised is important. Scotland had a referendum in 2014
0:58:53 > 0:58:58that was legal and fair and the result was decisive. The people of
0:58:58 > 0:59:03Scotland voted to remain part of the United Kingdom. I think that the
0:59:03 > 0:59:06election they sent a second message they didn't want a second referendum
0:59:06 > 0:59:11on this issue so I say to the Scottish Government, as we prepare
0:59:11 > 0:59:16to leave the EU, they should work with the UK Government to get the
0:59:16 > 0:59:22right deal for the whole of the UK, not taking Scotland back to these
0:59:22 > 0:59:25divisive constitutional debates of the past and I agree the SMP should
0:59:25 > 0:59:33take the unwanted proposal off the table once and for all.Will the
0:59:33 > 0:59:38Prime Minister support steel jobs in Scunthorpe and elsewhere by
0:59:38 > 0:59:40guaranteeing if the current flexibility within the emissions
0:59:40 > 0:59:47trading scheme is not retained until 2019, she will act immediately to
0:59:47 > 0:59:53ensure British industry is not financially penalise?The honourable
0:59:53 > 0:59:57gentleman raises an important point and this government has done a
0:59:57 > 1:00:01considerable amount to support the steel industry in the United
1:00:01 > 1:00:06Kingdom. I was pleased to be able to earlier in the year make a visit and
1:00:06 > 1:00:10meet with steelworkers and talk about the prospects for steel in the
1:00:10 > 1:00:17UK. We will look carefully to ensure the arrangements in place of those
1:00:17 > 1:00:22right for the national interest and we have supported steel in the past.
1:00:22 > 1:00:26Can I take my right honourable friend back to the first question
1:00:26 > 1:00:30asked by the honourable lady for Bristol West and apart from
1:00:30 > 1:00:36commending the quality of the BBC programme she referred to, on the
1:00:36 > 1:00:39issue of Prohibition of drugs globally can I draw her attention to
1:00:39 > 1:00:45the fact global policy is beginning to change and in the face of the
1:00:45 > 1:00:51evidential failure of policies since the 1961 UN single convention on
1:00:51 > 1:00:55prohibition of narcotics drugs, and will she look at the evidence that
1:00:55 > 1:01:02will emerge in the United States and Canada on the legalisation of
1:01:02 > 1:01:04cannabis markets there as well as decriminalisation in Portugal and
1:01:04 > 1:01:15elsewhere?We are grateful. Quite enough, we are grateful.
1:01:15 > 1:01:20I can say to my honourable friend that when I was Home Secretary a
1:01:20 > 1:01:25piece of work was undertaken which looked at the experience in a number
1:01:25 > 1:01:30of countries and the ways they approach this issue of drugs. I do
1:01:30 > 1:01:33say to my right honourable friend that I take a different opinion to
1:01:33 > 1:01:36him in relation to drugs. I think those who are dealing with those who
1:01:36 > 1:01:47are affected by drugs would also do so. I think of my constituent
1:01:47 > 1:01:49Elizabeth Burdon Phillips who set up Drug Fam after the suicide of her
1:01:49 > 1:01:54son who was a drug addict. The work she is doing because a member of the
1:01:54 > 1:01:59family is on drugs and the incredible damage that can do to
1:01:59 > 1:02:02families and the individual concerned. I'm sorry I say to my
1:02:02 > 1:02:06honourable friend I take a different view. I think it is right that we
1:02:06 > 1:02:17continue to fight the war against drugs.The honourable member for
1:02:17 > 1:02:18Chesterfield has migrated a considerable way from his usual
1:02:18 > 1:02:22place but we look forward to hearing from him.People with the most
1:02:22 > 1:02:26serious disabilities find when they move on to Universal Credit they are
1:02:26 > 1:02:31£100 a week worse off, this is because there is no severe
1:02:31 > 1:02:36disability component in the payment. Does the Prime Minister realise that
1:02:36 > 1:02:40Universal Credit will continue to shame had government, whilst it
1:02:40 > 1:02:45pushes the most disabled into the worst poverty?I say to the
1:02:45 > 1:02:49honourable gentleman that we spend over £50 billion a year on benefits
1:02:49 > 1:02:53to support disabled people and people with health conditions. That
1:02:53 > 1:02:59is increased by more than £7 billion since 2010. Spending on disability
1:02:59 > 1:03:06benefits will be higher in every year to 2020 than it was in 2010.
1:03:06 > 1:03:10And as regards Universal Credit, as I have said in this chamber before,
1:03:10 > 1:03:16Universal Credit is a simpler, more straightforward system. But
1:03:16 > 1:03:19crucially, Universal Credit is helping people get into the
1:03:19 > 1:03:25workplace and making sure they keep more of the money that they earn.So
1:03:25 > 1:03:30David Amess.Will my right honourable friend join me in
1:03:30 > 1:03:34congratulating the Lyon Sea branch of the British Legion, local artist
1:03:34 > 1:03:39Beth Hooper and Mary Lister, I'm using a lottery grant for
1:03:39 > 1:03:46schoolchildren in Southend to make 7500 Saran poppies and display them
1:03:46 > 1:03:51on Southend's letters? And would she agree with me it is a further good
1:03:51 > 1:04:03reason to make Southend-on-Sea a city?IE congratulate the Leon C
1:04:03 > 1:04:07branch of the British Legion and the work they have done in
1:04:07 > 1:04:15congratulating young people in recognising the sacrifices made by
1:04:15 > 1:04:25previous generations for our safety. As for the last bit that is
1:04:25 > 1:04:30interesting. I know he champions Lee-On-Sea all the time and his bid
1:04:30 > 1:04:36will be looked at carefully. My constituent Haley Crawley is
1:04:36 > 1:04:40having palliative care for bowel cancer and she needs a specialist
1:04:40 > 1:04:44drug. She waited months to hear that her case for funding was rejected by
1:04:44 > 1:04:49NHS England and we are now waiting again to hear a reply for her
1:04:49 > 1:04:52appeal. Please will be Prime Minister right to NHS England and
1:04:52 > 1:05:00ensured that her case is treated as I priority.Obviously, I wear this
1:05:00 > 1:05:03will be causing distress to Haley while she is waiting for this appeal
1:05:03 > 1:05:07decision to come through and I am sure the Secretary of State for
1:05:07 > 1:05:09Health will look carefully at the case the honourable lady has raised.
1:05:09 > 1:05:13We were able to bring in the Cancer Drugs Fund which has enabled some
1:05:13 > 1:05:17patients to get access to drugs which otherwise would not be
1:05:17 > 1:05:20available, but I recognise the concern and distress that her
1:05:20 > 1:05:25constituent will be suffering from while she awaits for this decision.
1:05:25 > 1:05:31The Prime Minister will be aware that under President Mugabe, British
1:05:31 > 1:05:34citizens living in Zimbabwe, especially land overs, suffered
1:05:34 > 1:05:38considerably. Can she give an assurance to the House that as we
1:05:38 > 1:05:42seek a new regime coming into Zimbabwe, the British government
1:05:42 > 1:05:47will do all it can to persuade the new regime to treat British citizens
1:05:47 > 1:05:51living lawfully in that country, treat them with respect and the
1:05:51 > 1:05:56safety and security they should have along with all other Zimbabwean
1:05:56 > 1:06:00citizens.My honourable friend does raise an important point, as we see
1:06:00 > 1:06:05this change taking place in Zimbabwe. I have to say the
1:06:05 > 1:06:07resignation of Robert Mugabe provides Zimbabwe with an
1:06:07 > 1:06:12opportunity to forge a new path, free from the depression which has
1:06:12 > 1:06:16characterised the past. We want to see a democratic free secure
1:06:16 > 1:06:20Zimbabwe, where people across communities, and from communities
1:06:20 > 1:06:31across Zimbabwe are able to
1:06:32 > 1:06:34carry out their lives without fear, without oppression and we want to
1:06:34 > 1:06:36see that country rejoining the international community. We have
1:06:36 > 1:06:39obviously provided some support to Zimbabwe in terms of UK aid, and as
1:06:39 > 1:06:41their oldest friend, we will do everything we can to support their
1:06:41 > 1:06:47change into a country which is free and democratic and free from
1:06:47 > 1:06:50oppression from all communities. Order.
1:06:50 > 1:06:53STUDIO:
1:06:53 > 1:06:57So Prime Minister's Questions comes to an end and.
1:06:57 > 1:07:01As is traditional at a Budget, the Speaker makes way for the deputy
1:07:01 > 1:07:07speaker, Lindsey Hoyle,
1:07:07 > 1:07:13speaker, Lindsey Hoyle.
1:07:13 > 1:07:17The Commons chamber now becomes the committee of ways and Means, it is
1:07:17 > 1:07:26called. That is the committee which hears Budget and financial matters.
1:07:26 > 1:07:30That is why Lindsey Hoyle the Chairman of Ways and Means takes
1:07:30 > 1:07:36over. Let's go back to the House and I'm sure we will hear from the
1:07:36 > 1:07:41Chancellor shortly. I now call the Chancellor of the
1:07:41 > 1:07:48Exchequer, the Right Honourable Philip Hammond.
1:07:48 > 1:07:52Mr Deputy Speaker, I report today on an economy which continues to grow,
1:07:52 > 1:07:56continues to create more jobs than ever before, and continues to
1:07:56 > 1:08:04confound those who seek to talk it down. An economy is set on a path to
1:08:04 > 1:08:11a new relationship with our European neighbours and a new future outside
1:08:11 > 1:08:17the European Union. A future that will be full of change, full of new
1:08:17 > 1:08:20challenges and above all, full of new opportunities. And in this
1:08:20 > 1:08:24Budget, we express our resolve to look forwards, not backwards. To
1:08:24 > 1:08:28embrace that change, to meet those challenges head-on, and to seize
1:08:28 > 1:08:37those for Britain. For negotiations on a relationship with the EU are in
1:08:37 > 1:08:40a critical phase. My right honourable friend the Prime Minister
1:08:40 > 1:08:47has been clear we seek a deep and special partnership based on free
1:08:47 > 1:08:49and frictionless trading goods, close collaboration on security and
1:08:49 > 1:08:53strong mutual respect and friendship. As Chancellor, Mr Deputy
1:08:53 > 1:08:57Speaker, I am clear that one of the biggest boosts we can provide to
1:08:57 > 1:09:01businesses and families, one of the best ways to protect British jobs
1:09:01 > 1:09:08and prosperity, as we build that new future, is to make early progress in
1:09:08 > 1:09:11delivering my right honourable friend's vision. With an
1:09:11 > 1:09:14implementation agreement that allows businesses to plan and invest with
1:09:14 > 1:09:19confidence. And this government will make the pursuit of that progress is
1:09:19 > 1:09:26a top priority in the weeks ahead. But Mr Deputy Speaker, while we work
1:09:26 > 1:09:30to achieve this deep and special partnership, we are determined to
1:09:30 > 1:09:37ensure that the country is prepared for every possible outcome. We have
1:09:37 > 1:09:43already invested almost £700 million in Brexit preparations, and today, I
1:09:43 > 1:09:49am setting aside over the next two years, another £3 billion, and I
1:09:49 > 1:09:55stand ready to allocate further sums if and when needed. Mr Deputy
1:09:55 > 1:09:59Speaker, no one should doubt our resolve. But this Budget is about
1:09:59 > 1:10:05much more than Brexit. The world is on the brink of a technological
1:10:05 > 1:10:10revolution, one that will change the way that we work and live, and
1:10:10 > 1:10:15transform our living standards for generations to come. And we face a
1:10:15 > 1:10:19choice. Either we embrace the future, seize the opportunities that
1:10:19 > 1:10:24lie within our grasp, and build on Britain's great global success
1:10:24 > 1:10:30story, or as the party opposite advocates, rejects change and turn
1:10:30 > 1:10:38inwards to the failed and irrelevant dogmas of the past. Mr Deputy
1:10:38 > 1:10:49Speaker, we have no doubt we choose the future. We choose, we choose to
1:10:49 > 1:10:55run towards change, not away from it. To prepare our people to meet
1:10:55 > 1:11:00the challenges ahead, not to hide from them. And the prize will be
1:11:00 > 1:11:05enormous. For the first time in decades, Britain is genuinely at the
1:11:05 > 1:11:10forefront of this technological revolution. Not just in our
1:11:10 > 1:11:14universities and research institutes, but this time in the
1:11:14 > 1:11:18commercial development labs of our great companies and on factory
1:11:18 > 1:11:23floors and business parks across this land. But we must invest to
1:11:23 > 1:11:26secure this bright future for Britain, and that this Budget, that
1:11:26 > 1:11:33is what we choose to do. But Mr Deputy Speaker, we are listening,
1:11:33 > 1:11:36and we understand the frustration of families where real incomes or under
1:11:36 > 1:11:44pressure. So at this Budget we choose a balanced approach. Yes,
1:11:44 > 1:11:50maintaining fiscal responsibility as we last see our debt Peking.
1:11:50 > 1:11:54Continuing to invest in the skills and infrastructure that will support
1:11:54 > 1:11:59the jobs of the future. Building the homes that will make good on our
1:11:59 > 1:12:04promise to the next generation. But crucially, also helping families to
1:12:04 > 1:12:11cope with the cost of living. Mr Deputy Speaker, as we invest in our
1:12:11 > 1:12:13country's future, I have a clear vision of what that global Britain
1:12:13 > 1:12:20looks like. A prosperous and inclusive economy. Where everybody
1:12:20 > 1:12:24has the opportunity to shine. Wherever in these islands they live,
1:12:24 > 1:12:29and whatever their background. Where talent and hard work are rewarded.
1:12:29 > 1:12:38Where the dream of home ownership is a reality for all generations. A hub
1:12:38 > 1:12:42of enterprise and innovation. A beacon of creativity. A civilised
1:12:42 > 1:12:46and tolerant place that cares for the vulnerable and nurtures the
1:12:46 > 1:12:52talented. And outward looking free trading nation, a full good in the
1:12:52 > 1:13:01world. That is the Britain that I want to leave to my children, Mr
1:13:01 > 1:13:06Deputy Speaker. A Britain we can be proud of. A country fit for the
1:13:06 > 1:13:11future. I know we will not build it overnight, but in this Budget today
1:13:11 > 1:13:18we will lay the foundations. I'm being tempted with something a
1:13:18 > 1:13:29little more exotic here, but I will stick to plain water. I did take the
1:13:29 > 1:13:36precaution... I did take the precaution of asking my right
1:13:36 > 1:13:43honourable friend to bring a packet of cough sweets just in case.
1:13:43 > 1:14:01LAUGHTER Mr Deputy Speaker, Mr Deputy
1:14:01 > 1:14:07Speaker...Order, order. I think it might be a hearing aid we all need
1:14:07 > 1:14:15if this continues.Mr Deputy Speaker, I shall first report to the
1:14:15 > 1:14:21House on the economic forecast of the independent OBR. This is the bit
1:14:21 > 1:14:29with the long economic words in it. LAUGHTER
1:14:29 > 1:14:36Once again, I thank Robert Chote and his team for their hard work over
1:14:36 > 1:14:40the last few weeks. I believe passionately that the best way to
1:14:40 > 1:14:43improve the lives of people across the length and breadth of this
1:14:43 > 1:14:48country is to help them get into work. Mr Deputy Speaker, I am
1:14:48 > 1:14:52acutely aware that 1.4 million people out of work is 1.4 million to
1:14:52 > 1:15:06many. So today... Today I welcome the OBR forecast that there will be
1:15:06 > 1:15:13another 600,000 people in work by 2022. And I am immensely proud of
1:15:13 > 1:15:17this government's record in having created over 3 million new jobs
1:15:17 > 1:15:21since 2010.
1:15:21 > 1:15:28A far cry from the 1.2 million job losses the right honourable member
1:15:28 > 1:15:33for Hayes and Harlington predicted in 2011 but in no doubt this
1:15:33 > 1:15:36government will continue its focus on getting more people into work,
1:15:36 > 1:15:41giving them security and peace of mind of a regular wage. I want work
1:15:41 > 1:15:48to be a good well-paid and regrettably our productivity
1:15:48 > 1:15:55performance continues to disappoint. The OBR assumed at each of the last
1:15:55 > 1:15:5916 fiscal events that productivity growth would return to its precrisis
1:15:59 > 1:16:05trend of about 2% per year, but it has remained stubbornly flat. Today
1:16:05 > 1:16:10they revised down the outlook for productivity growth, business
1:16:10 > 1:16:16investment and GDP growth across the forecast period. They now expect to
1:16:16 > 1:16:26see GDP grow 1.5% in 2017, one .4 in 2018, one .3 in 2019 and 2020,
1:16:26 > 1:16:36before picking up to 1.5% and finally 1.6% in 2022. With inflation
1:16:36 > 1:16:41peaking at 3% in this quarter before falling back to target in the next
1:16:41 > 1:16:49year. I reaffirm the remit that the Monetary Policy Committee and its
1:16:49 > 1:16:54inflation target. We took over an economy with the highest budget
1:16:54 > 1:17:01deficit in peacetime history. Since then, thanks to the hard work of the
1:17:01 > 1:17:07British people, that deficit has been shrinking. Next year, it will
1:17:07 > 1:17:15be below 2%. Our debt is still too high and we need to get it down. Not
1:17:15 > 1:17:20for and ideological reason, but because successive debt undermines
1:17:20 > 1:17:25economic security leaving is vulnerable to shocks. It passes the
1:17:25 > 1:17:30burden unfairly to the next generation. And because it simply
1:17:30 > 1:17:35cannot be right to spend more on our debt interest than on police and
1:17:35 > 1:17:41Armed Forces combined. I am pleased to tell the House OBR expects debt
1:17:41 > 1:17:46to peak this year and then gradually fall as a share of GDP. They turning
1:17:46 > 1:17:57point in the recovery. Mr Deputy Speaker, apparently, not everyone
1:17:57 > 1:18:02shares the view that falling debt is good news. I heard representations
1:18:02 > 1:18:08from the party opposite suggesting increasing the debt by £500 billion.
1:18:08 > 1:18:14Taking us back to square one, wasting an extra £7 billion a year
1:18:14 > 1:18:20on debt interest. If they carry on like that, there will be plenty of
1:18:20 > 1:18:33others joining Kezia Dugdale saying, I'm Labour, get me out of here. Mr
1:18:33 > 1:18:39Deputy Speaker, I have rejected these representations and instead I
1:18:39 > 1:18:43reaffirm our pledge of fiscal responsibility and our commitment to
1:18:43 > 1:18:48the fiscal rules set out last autumn. Now I choose to use some of
1:18:48 > 1:18:53the headroom I established then so that as well as reducing debt, we
1:18:53 > 1:19:00can also invest in Britain's future, support key public services, keep
1:19:00 > 1:19:04taxes low and provide a little help to families and businesses under
1:19:04 > 1:19:09pressure. A balanced approach that will prepare Britain for the future,
1:19:09 > 1:19:16not seek to hide from it. Today the OBR confirmed we are on track to
1:19:16 > 1:19:21meet our fiscal rules, borrowing is forecast to be 49.9 billion this
1:19:21 > 1:19:28year, 8.4 billion lower than forecast at the spring budget. After
1:19:28 > 1:19:32taking account of all decisions since the spring budget, the GDP
1:19:32 > 1:19:38revision and measures I will announce borrowing will fall in
1:19:38 > 1:19:46every year of the forecast from 39.5 billion next year, to 25.6 point
1:19:46 > 1:19:516,000,000,020 2-23 to reach its lowest level in 20 years. As a
1:19:51 > 1:20:00percentage of GDP falls from 2.4% to 1.9% next year, then 1.6, 1.5, 1.3
1:20:00 > 1:20:08and finally 1.1% in 22-3. The OBR forecast the structural deficit to
1:20:08 > 1:20:16be 1.3% of GDP in 2021, giving 14.8 billion of headroom against our 2%
1:20:16 > 1:20:28target. Debt will peak at 86.5% of GDP this year and then fall to 86.4,
1:20:28 > 1:20:37then 86.1, 83.1, 79.3 and 79.1 in 22 - 23, the first sustained decline in
1:20:37 > 1:20:47debt in 17 years. Under Conservative led governments, the hard work of
1:20:47 > 1:20:51the British people is steadily clearing up the mess left behind by
1:20:51 > 1:21:03Labour. At the heart of global Britain must be a dynamic and
1:21:03 > 1:21:08innovative economy. On Monday, the Prime Minister set out key elements
1:21:08 > 1:21:12of our modern industrial strategy, which will raise productivity and
1:21:12 > 1:21:16wages in all parts of the country and guarantee a brighter future we
1:21:16 > 1:21:20have promised to the next generation. The Business Secretary
1:21:20 > 1:21:26will present a White Paper in the next few days. This is not just an
1:21:26 > 1:21:32economic plan. It is a key part of our vision for a fairer Britain, a
1:21:32 > 1:21:37Britain where every one of our citizens can contribute to and share
1:21:37 > 1:21:41in the benefits of prosperity. And the key to raising the wages of
1:21:41 > 1:21:47British workers is raising investment, public and we are
1:21:47 > 1:21:53investing in Britain's future, half £1 trillion since 2010, the biggest
1:21:53 > 1:21:57rail programme since Victorian times, the largest road-building
1:21:57 > 1:22:02programme since the 1970s, the biggest increase in science and
1:22:02 > 1:22:07innovation funding in four decades and the two largest infrastructure
1:22:07 > 1:22:12projects in Europe, Crossrail and HS2. When I took this job I
1:22:12 > 1:22:16committed to make the battle to raise Britain's productivity and the
1:22:16 > 1:22:23nation's pay the central mission of the Treasury. Last autumn, I
1:22:23 > 1:22:29launched the national productivity investment funds to provide an
1:22:29 > 1:22:32additional £23 billion of investment over five years, to upgrade the
1:22:32 > 1:22:36economic infrastructure for the 21st century. Today I announce I will
1:22:36 > 1:22:45extend the fund a further year and expand it to over £31 billion.
1:22:45 > 1:22:51Meaning that public investment under this government will on average be
1:22:51 > 1:22:55£25 billion per year higher in real terms than under the last Labour
1:22:55 > 1:23:03government. We are allocating a further £2.3 billion for investment
1:23:03 > 1:23:14in R&B and will increase the main RND tax credit to 12% -- R&D. To
1:23:14 > 1:23:22drive up investment across the economy to 2.4% of GDP. Britain is
1:23:22 > 1:23:26the world's sixth-largest economy. London is the number one
1:23:26 > 1:23:30international financial services sector and we have some of the
1:23:30 > 1:23:33world's Best companies and a commanding position in a raft of
1:23:33 > 1:23:38tech and digital industries that will form the backbone of the global
1:23:38 > 1:23:44economy. Those who under estimate Britain do so at their peril.
1:23:44 > 1:23:49Because we will harness this potential and turn it into the
1:23:49 > 1:23:53high-paid, high productivity jobs of tomorrow. Others may choose to
1:23:53 > 1:23:59reject the future, we choose to embrace it. A new tech business is
1:23:59 > 1:24:08founded in Britain every hour. I want that to be every half-hour.
1:24:08 > 1:24:11Today, we invest over £500 million in a range of initiatives from
1:24:11 > 1:24:16artificial intelligence to five G and four fibre broadband and support
1:24:16 > 1:24:19regulation with the new Pioneer fund and a new geospatial data commission
1:24:19 > 1:24:28to develop... You should listen. To develop a strategy for using the
1:24:28 > 1:24:33government location data to support economic growth and to help tech
1:24:33 > 1:24:39start-ups reach scale we asked for a review of availability of capital.
1:24:39 > 1:24:44Today we are publishing an action plan to unlock over £20 billion of
1:24:44 > 1:24:49new investment in UK knowledge intensive scale up businesses
1:24:49 > 1:24:53including through a new fund in the British business bank seeded with
1:24:53 > 1:24:59£2.5 billion of public money by facilitating pension-fund access to
1:24:59 > 1:25:06long-term investment sum by doubling investments limits for knowledge
1:25:06 > 1:25:11intensive companies while ensuring EI S is not used as a shelter for
1:25:11 > 1:25:15low risk capital preservation schemes. We stand ready to step in
1:25:15 > 1:25:21to replace European investment fund lending is necessary. There is
1:25:21 > 1:25:26perhaps no technology as symbolic of the Revolution gathering pace as
1:25:26 > 1:25:29driverless vehicles.
1:25:38 > 1:25:43They surely do not want me to make the joke about the Labour Party
1:25:43 > 1:25:47again, Mr Deputy Speaker? I know Jeremy Clarkson does not like them
1:25:47 > 1:25:52but there are many other good reasons to pursue this technology.
1:25:52 > 1:25:58Today, we step up support for it. I'm sorry, Jeremy, definitely not
1:25:58 > 1:26:07the first time you have been snubbed by Hammond and May. Allah future
1:26:12 > 1:26:19-- our future vehicles will be driverless but there they will be
1:26:19 > 1:26:23electric first and that is a change that needs to come as soon as
1:26:23 > 1:26:28possible for the planet. We will establish a £400 million structure
1:26:28 > 1:26:32fund and invest an extra hundred million per plug-in car Grant and
1:26:32 > 1:26:39more for R&D. I will clarify the law so that people who charge electric
1:26:39 > 1:26:43vehicles at work will not face a benefit in kind charge from next
1:26:43 > 1:26:49year. The tax system can play an important role in protecting our
1:26:49 > 1:26:53environment. We owe it to our children the air they breathe is
1:26:53 > 1:26:57clean and we published the air quality plan this year and said then
1:26:57 > 1:27:05we would fund it through taxes on new diesel cars. From April 2018,
1:27:05 > 1:27:07the first year rate for diesel cars that do not meet the latest
1:27:07 > 1:27:15standards will go up by £1 and the existing supplement in company car
1:27:15 > 1:27:18tax will increase by one percentage point and drivers buying a new car
1:27:18 > 1:27:24will avoid this charge as soon as manufacturers bring forward the next
1:27:24 > 1:27:28generation of cleaner diesels. We only apply this measure to cars.
1:27:28 > 1:27:35Before the headline writers start to limber up, let me be clear. No white
1:27:35 > 1:27:48van man or woman will be hit by these measures. This levy will fund
1:27:48 > 1:27:52a new £220 million cleaner fund to provide support for the
1:27:52 > 1:27:57implementation of local air quality plans, improving the quality of air
1:27:57 > 1:28:04in cities and towns in the UK. Our air quality is sadly not our only
1:28:04 > 1:28:11environmental challenge. Audiences in the country glued to Blue Planet
1:28:11 > 1:28:15have been reminded of the problems of plastics pollution. The UK lead
1:28:15 > 1:28:19the world on climate change agreements and pioneers protecting
1:28:19 > 1:28:24marine environment and I want us to be a world leader in tackling the
1:28:24 > 1:28:28scourge of plastic littering the planet and oceans. With my right
1:28:28 > 1:28:32honourable friend the Environment Secretary I will investigate how the
1:28:32 > 1:28:39tax system and charges on single use plastic items can reduce waste. We
1:28:39 > 1:28:43cannot keep our promise to the next generation to build an economy fit
1:28:43 > 1:28:51for the future unless we ensure our planet has a future. Meeting the
1:28:51 > 1:28:56challenge of change head on means giving our people the confidence to
1:28:56 > 1:29:00embrace it and the skills to reap the rewards and we have a plan to do
1:29:00 > 1:29:06so. We are delivering 3 million apprenticeships by 2020 thanks to
1:29:06 > 1:29:10the apprenticeship levy and I will review the flexibility levy payers
1:29:10 > 1:29:17have to spend this. We are introducing T levels and I am
1:29:17 > 1:29:22providing £20 million to support colleges to prepare for them.
1:29:22 > 1:29:28Knowledge of maths is key to the high-tech, cutting edge jobs in our
1:29:28 > 1:29:31digital economy. It is useful in less glamorous roles like front line
1:29:31 > 1:29:39politics! We will expand the teaching for mastery of maths
1:29:39 > 1:29:45programme to further 3000 schools and provide 40 million to train
1:29:45 > 1:29:50maths teachers and introduce a £600 maths premium for schools for every
1:29:50 > 1:29:59additional people who takes a level maths and invite proposals for new
1:29:59 > 1:30:03maths schools across England so highly talented young mathematicians
1:30:03 > 1:30:06can release their potential wherever they live and what ever their
1:30:06 > 1:30:12background.
1:30:12 > 1:30:16More maths for everyone. Don't let anyone say I don't know how to show
1:30:16 > 1:30:27the nation a good time! Computer science is also at the
1:30:27 > 1:30:33heart of this revolution. So we will ensure every secondary school pupil
1:30:33 > 1:30:38can study computing by tripling the number of trained computer science
1:30:38 > 1:30:44teachers to 12,000. And we will work with industry to create a new
1:30:44 > 1:30:47national centre for computing. But Mr Deputy Speaker, rapid
1:30:47 > 1:30:52technological change means we also need to help people we train during
1:30:52 > 1:30:55their working lives, ensuring our workforce is equipped with the
1:30:55 > 1:31:01skills they need for the workplace of the future. Today, my right
1:31:01 > 1:31:04honourable friend the Education Secretary and I are launching an
1:31:04 > 1:31:09historic partnership between government, the CBI and the TUC to
1:31:09 > 1:31:13set the strategic direction for a national retraining scheme. Its
1:31:13 > 1:31:17first priority will be to boost digital skills and support expansion
1:31:17 > 1:31:22of the construction centre. To make a start immediately, we will invest
1:31:22 > 1:31:26£30 million in the development of digital skills distance learning
1:31:26 > 1:31:29courses, so people can learn wherever they are and whenever they
1:31:29 > 1:31:33want. I'm pleased to be able to accept the representation that I
1:31:33 > 1:31:43have
1:31:45 > 1:31:48received from the TUC, to continue to fund union learn which I
1:31:48 > 1:31:54recognise as a valuable part of our support to workplace learning. Mr
1:31:54 > 1:32:05Deputy Speaker, I got an e-mail from Len asking me especially, backing
1:32:05 > 1:32:09skills is key to unlocking growth nationally, but far too much of our
1:32:09 > 1:32:13economic strength is concentrated in our capital city. If we are truly to
1:32:13 > 1:32:17build an economy that is fit for the future, then we have to get all
1:32:17 > 1:32:22parts of the UK firing on all cylinders, and that is what our
1:32:22 > 1:32:28modern industrial strategy is all about. Today, we back the Northern
1:32:28 > 1:32:31Powerhouse, the Midlands engine and elected mayors across the UK. We
1:32:31 > 1:32:39back them with a new 1.7 £1.7 billion transforming cities fund,
1:32:39 > 1:32:43half of it to be shared with the six areas with Metro mayors, to give
1:32:43 > 1:32:47them power to deal with transport priorities, and the remainder will
1:32:47 > 1:32:54be opened to competition in other cities in England. We are investing
1:32:54 > 1:32:57£300 million to assure HS2 infrastructure will incorporate
1:32:57 > 1:33:04Northern Powerhouse and Midland engine improvements. I am also
1:33:04 > 1:33:09providing money to trial digital solutions on the trans-Pennine
1:33:09 > 1:33:20route. We are developing a punch with Manchester and I'm pleased to
1:33:20 > 1:33:26announce a second devolution deal with Andy Street and we will find
1:33:26 > 1:33:30the replacement of the 40 old rolling stock on the Tyne at where
1:33:30 > 1:33:36Metro and a total investment of 337 million pounds. We will invest £123
1:33:36 > 1:33:49million in the Redcar steel steelwork sites to support the work
1:33:49 > 1:33:57of those leading the fight for prosperity in that area. Mr Deputy
1:33:57 > 1:34:01Speaker, we are piloting 100% business rates retention in London
1:34:01 > 1:34:06next year, and continuing to work with TFL on the funding and
1:34:06 > 1:34:12financing of Crossrail two. We will also make over £1 billion of
1:34:12 > 1:34:16discounted lending available to local authorities across the country
1:34:16 > 1:34:20to support high-value infrastructure projects. A Conservative government
1:34:20 > 1:34:27giving power back to the people of Britain, and driving prosperity and
1:34:27 > 1:34:30greater fairness across our United Kingdom.
1:34:30 > 1:34:35The decisions taken in this Budget also mean £2 billion more for the
1:34:35 > 1:34:44Scottish Government, £1.2 billion more for the Welsh Government, and
1:34:44 > 1:34:49156 mg more for the Northern Ireland Executive. I can confirm today
1:34:49 > 1:34:55progress is being made on the city 's deal for Terry and Stirling. I'm
1:34:55 > 1:35:02getting used to the experience of having my ear bent by 13
1:35:02 > 1:35:09Conservatives Scottish colleagues. Most recently on the issue of
1:35:09 > 1:35:17Scottish police and fire VAT. The SNP knew the rules, they knew the
1:35:17 > 1:35:19consequences of introducing these bodies and they ploughed ahead
1:35:19 > 1:35:30anyway. My Scottish Conservative colleagues have persuaded me that
1:35:30 > 1:35:35the Scottish people should not lose out just because of the obstinacy of
1:35:35 > 1:35:47the SNP government. So we will legislate to allow VAT refunds from
1:35:47 > 1:35:52April 20 18. And in response to yet more representations from my
1:35:52 > 1:35:55honourable Scottish friends, aided and abetted by my honourable friend
1:35:55 > 1:36:00for Waverley, from November 2018, we will introduce agile is there a tax
1:36:00 > 1:36:06history for transfers of gas in the North Sea, an innovative tax policy
1:36:06 > 1:36:10which will bring fresh investment to a base on which still holds up to 20
1:36:10 > 1:36:17billion barrels of oil. We will begin negotiations towards great
1:36:17 > 1:36:22deals the North Wales and mid Wales, and we will abolish tolls on the
1:36:22 > 1:36:27Severn Bridge as promised by the end of next year. We will deliver on our
1:36:27 > 1:36:32commitment to review the effect of VAT and APD on tourism in Northern
1:36:32 > 1:36:37Ireland, reporting on next year's Budget and we will open negotiations
1:36:37 > 1:36:41for a Belfast city deal as part of our commitment to an ambitious set
1:36:41 > 1:36:46of city deals across Northern Ireland. A Conservative government
1:36:46 > 1:36:55delivering for all parts of our United Kingdom. It is only by
1:36:55 > 1:36:59supporting our regions and nations, dealing with our debts and investing
1:36:59 > 1:37:03in skills and infrastructure for the long term, that we can build an
1:37:03 > 1:37:07economy fit for the future. But I recognise that many people are
1:37:07 > 1:37:11feeling pressure on their budgets now. And because we are all in
1:37:11 > 1:37:17politics to make people's lives better, in the short term as well as
1:37:17 > 1:37:21the long-term, we will take further measures in this Budget to help
1:37:21 > 1:37:27families and businesses where we can. The switch to Universal Credit
1:37:27 > 1:37:33is a long overdue and necessary reform. Replacing Labour's broken
1:37:33 > 1:37:38system that discouraged people from working more than 16 hours a week
1:37:38 > 1:37:43and trapped 1.4 million on out of work benefits for nearly a decade,
1:37:43 > 1:37:47Universal Credit delivers a modern welfare system where work always
1:37:47 > 1:37:56pays and people are supported to earn. But I recognise, Mr Deputy
1:37:56 > 1:37:59Speaker, the genuine concerns on both sides of the House at about the
1:37:59 > 1:38:01operational delivery of this benefit, and today we will act on
1:38:01 > 1:38:07those concerns. First, we will remove the seven-day waiting period
1:38:07 > 1:38:11applied at the beginning of a benefit claim, so that entitlement
1:38:11 > 1:38:16to Universal Credit will start on the day of the claim. To provide
1:38:16 > 1:38:20greater support during the waiting period, we will change the advance
1:38:20 > 1:38:24the system to ensure any household needs it can access a full month's
1:38:24 > 1:38:29payment within five days of applying. We will make it possible
1:38:29 > 1:38:35to apply for an advanced online. We will extend the repayment period for
1:38:35 > 1:38:40advances from six months to 12 months, and any new Universal Credit
1:38:40 > 1:38:44claimant in receipt of housing benefit at the time of the claim
1:38:44 > 1:38:49will continue to receive that housing benefit for a further two
1:38:49 > 1:38:55weeks, making it easier for them to pay their rent. This, Mr Deputy
1:38:55 > 1:38:59Speaker, is a £1.5 billion package to address concerns about the
1:38:59 > 1:39:07delivery of the benefit. My right honourable friend the Secretary of
1:39:07 > 1:39:09State for Work and Pensions will give further details in a statement
1:39:09 > 1:39:14to the House tomorrow. We also want to help low income households in
1:39:14 > 1:39:19areas where rents have been rising fastest. In the long run, of course,
1:39:19 > 1:39:24the answer lies in increasing the amount of housing available, a theme
1:39:24 > 1:39:28I shall return to. In the meantime, the best way to help them is by
1:39:28 > 1:39:32increasing the rate of support in those areas where rents are least
1:39:32 > 1:39:38affordable. We will increase targeted affordability funding by
1:39:38 > 1:39:44£125 million over the next two years, benefiting 140,000 people. We
1:39:44 > 1:39:49will always listen to genuine concerns and act where we can to
1:39:49 > 1:39:56help. Making work pay is core to the philosophy of this government. That
1:39:56 > 1:40:01is why we introduced the National Living Wage in 2016. In April, it
1:40:01 > 1:40:12will rise by 4.4%, from £7 50 an hour, to £7 83, handing full-time
1:40:12 > 1:40:16workers a further £600 pay increase, taking their total pay rise since
1:40:16 > 1:40:23its introduction to over £2000 a year. We also accept the low pay
1:40:23 > 1:40:27commission's recommendations on national minimum wage rates,
1:40:27 > 1:40:31supporting our young people with the largest increase in youth rates in
1:40:31 > 1:40:40ten years, delivering a pay rise for over 2 million minimum wage workers
1:40:40 > 1:40:43of all ages across the country. The facts are these. Income inequality
1:40:43 > 1:40:49today is at its lowest level in 30 years. The top 1% are paying a
1:40:49 > 1:40:54larger share of income taxes than at any time under the last Labour
1:40:54 > 1:40:59government. The poorest 10% in Britain have seen their real incomes
1:40:59 > 1:41:04grow faster than 2010 than the richest 10%, and the proportion of
1:41:04 > 1:41:12full-time jobs that are low paid is at its lowest level for 20 years. A
1:41:12 > 1:41:19Conservative government delivering a fairer Britain. But as well as
1:41:19 > 1:41:23making work pay, we want families to keep more of the money they earn.
1:41:23 > 1:41:29When we came into office, the personal allowance stood at £6,475 a
1:41:29 > 1:41:36year. From April, I will increase the personal allowance to £11,850,
1:41:36 > 1:41:44and the higher rate threshold to £46,350, making progress towards our
1:41:44 > 1:41:49manifesto commitments, which I reiterate today. The typical basic
1:41:49 > 1:41:54rate taxpayer will be £1075 a year better off than 2010, and a
1:41:54 > 1:41:59full-time worker on the National Living Wage will take home more than
1:41:59 > 1:42:04£3800 extra. This Conservative government delivering for Britain's
1:42:04 > 1:42:14workers. Mr Deputy Speaker, I turn now to duties. The tobacco duty
1:42:14 > 1:42:21escalator will continue with an extra 1% duty on hand-rolling duty
1:42:21 > 1:42:25this year and minimum excise duty on cigarettes will also rise. Excessive
1:42:25 > 1:42:30alcohol consumption and the most vulnerable people is all too often
1:42:30 > 1:42:34through cheap high-strength low quality products, especially
1:42:34 > 1:42:38so-called white ciders. I want to pay tribute to the campaign led by
1:42:38 > 1:42:43my honourable friend for Congleton on this issue, and so following our
1:42:43 > 1:42:48recent consultation, we will legislate to increase duty on these
1:42:48 > 1:42:51products from 2019. But recognising the pressure on household budgets,
1:42:51 > 1:42:56and backing our great British pubs, duties on other sliders, wines,
1:42:56 > 1:43:07spirits and on beer will be frozen. This will mean a bottle of whiskey
1:43:07 > 1:43:12will be £1.15 less in 2018 than if we had continued with Labour's
1:43:12 > 1:43:18plans, and a pint of beer 12p less. So Merry Christmas, Mr Deputy
1:43:18 > 1:43:25Speaker. The cost of travel is also an important factor for families and
1:43:25 > 1:43:30businesses. From April 2019, I will again freeze short-haul air
1:43:30 > 1:43:34passenger duty rates, and I will also frees long-haul economy rates,
1:43:34 > 1:43:39paid for by an increase on premium class tickets and on private jets.
1:43:39 > 1:43:46Sorry, Lewis. For those who do not stretch to a private jet, I can
1:43:46 > 1:43:52announce a new Railcard for those aged 26 to 30, giving 4.5 million
1:43:52 > 1:43:59more young people a third of their rail fares. And I will once again
1:43:59 > 1:44:04cancel the fuel duty rise for both petrol and diesel that is scheduled
1:44:04 > 1:44:13for April. Since 2010, we will have saved the average car driver £850,
1:44:13 > 1:44:19and the average van driver over £2100, compared to Labour's
1:44:19 > 1:44:24escalator plans. Fuel duty has now been frozen for the longest period
1:44:24 > 1:44:32in 40 years, at a total cost to the Exchequer of £46 billion, is since
1:44:32 > 1:44:372010. Mr Deputy Speaker, our NHS is one of our great institutions. An
1:44:37 > 1:44:43essential part of what we are as a nation. And a source of pride the
1:44:43 > 1:44:47length and breadth of the country. Its values are the values of the
1:44:47 > 1:44:53British people, and we will always back it. Dedicated NHS staff are
1:44:53 > 1:44:58handling the challenges of an ageing population and the rapidly advancing
1:44:58 > 1:45:02technology with skill and commitment and we salute them. Mr Deputy
1:45:02 > 1:45:06Speaker, although you would not think so to listen to the Leader of
1:45:06 > 1:45:13the Opposition, as he regularly talks down the achievements of the
1:45:13 > 1:45:17NHS, the number of patients being treated is at record levels, cancer
1:45:17 > 1:45:22survival rates are at the highest ever level, 17 million people are
1:45:22 > 1:45:26now able to access GP appointments in the evenings and weekends, and
1:45:26 > 1:45:31public satisfaction among hospital inpatients is at its highest level
1:45:31 > 1:45:36in more than 20 years.
1:45:36 > 1:45:41It is central to this government's vision everyone has access to the
1:45:41 > 1:45:48NHS free at the point of need which is why we endorsed and funded the
1:45:48 > 1:45:51five-year forward view in 2014 but even with this additional funding we
1:45:51 > 1:45:55acknowledge the service remains under pressure and today we respond.
1:45:55 > 1:46:01First, we will deliver an additional £10 billion package of capital
1:46:01 > 1:46:06investment in front line services over the course of this Parliament,
1:46:06 > 1:46:12to support the sustainability and transformation plans that will make
1:46:12 > 1:46:17our NHS more resilient, investing for an NHS fit for the future. We
1:46:17 > 1:46:23also recognise that the NHS is under pressure right now. I am therefore
1:46:23 > 1:46:26exceptionally and outside the spending review process making an
1:46:26 > 1:46:32additional commitment of resource funding of £2.8 billion to the NHS
1:46:32 > 1:46:39in England. £350 million immediately to allow trusts to plan for this
1:46:39 > 1:46:47winter. 1.6 billion in 2018-19 but the balance in 19-20, taking the
1:46:47 > 1:46:57extra resource into the NHS next year to £3.75 billion in total.
1:46:57 > 1:47:06Meaning, Mr Deputy Speaker, our NHS will receive a £7.5 billion increase
1:47:06 > 1:47:13to its resource budget over this year and next. Our nation's nurses
1:47:13 > 1:47:19provide invaluable support to us all in our time of greatest need and
1:47:19 > 1:47:23deserve our deepest gratitude for their tireless efforts. My right
1:47:23 > 1:47:27honourable friend the Health Secretary has begun discussions with
1:47:27 > 1:47:34health unions on pay structure modernisation for staff to improve
1:47:34 > 1:47:38recruitment and retention. He will submit evidence to the independent
1:47:38 > 1:47:43pay review body in due course. I want to assure NHS staff and
1:47:43 > 1:47:48patients and members that if the Health Secretary's talks bear fruit,
1:47:48 > 1:47:51I will protect patient services by providing additional funding for
1:47:51 > 1:48:01such a settlement. Just as our public services must be fit for the
1:48:01 > 1:48:06future, so too must our tax system. It must remain competitive to
1:48:06 > 1:48:10attract the brightest and best to establish and grow businesses of the
1:48:10 > 1:48:15future. It must raise revenue we need to fund public services and it
1:48:15 > 1:48:20must be robust against abuse so it is fair to all. We have heard talk
1:48:20 > 1:48:24recently from the party opposite about what they would do to crack
1:48:24 > 1:48:31down on tax avoidance and evasion, but the truth is, they did not. It
1:48:31 > 1:48:35is this government that has clamped down on avoidance and evasion, this
1:48:35 > 1:48:40government has seen the tax gap cut by a quarter to a record low and
1:48:40 > 1:48:47this government that has raked in an extra £160 billion over seven years
1:48:47 > 1:48:51for our public services by collecting taxes due so I will take
1:48:51 > 1:48:59no lectures, but I will take action and this budget continues the work
1:48:59 > 1:49:04of the last seven years with a further package of measures that is
1:49:04 > 1:49:11forecast to raise £4.8 billion by 2022-3, doing the job Labour failed
1:49:11 > 1:49:20to do for 13 years in office. Our long-term phased reduction of
1:49:20 > 1:49:24corporation tax has generated investment and jobs and raised £20
1:49:24 > 1:49:30billion extra for public services. We are committed to maintaining
1:49:30 > 1:49:33competitive corporation tax rates that there is a case for removing
1:49:33 > 1:49:39the anomaly of the index allowance for capital gains bringing the
1:49:39 > 1:49:43corporate tax system into line with personal capital gains tax system. I
1:49:43 > 1:49:47will freeze this allowance so companies receive relief for
1:49:47 > 1:49:53inflation up to January 2018 but not thereafter. I am grateful to the
1:49:53 > 1:49:58office for tax simplification on their report on VAT registration
1:49:58 > 1:50:06threshold. At £85,000 the UK VAT threshold is by far the highest in
1:50:06 > 1:50:13the OECD, by contrast in Germany it is £15,600. I note the conclusion
1:50:13 > 1:50:19that it distorts competition and dis- incentivise is business growth
1:50:19 > 1:50:23and note the Federation of Small Businesses concerns about the cliff
1:50:23 > 1:50:28edge of the threshold but such a high threshold has the benefit of
1:50:28 > 1:50:33keeping the majority of small businesses out of VAT altogether so
1:50:33 > 1:50:42I am not minded to reduce the threshold. I will consult on whether
1:50:42 > 1:50:46it -- its design could better incentivise growth and we will
1:50:46 > 1:50:51maintain it at the current level for the next two years. We cannot build
1:50:51 > 1:50:59an economy fit for the future without supporting its backbone, our
1:50:59 > 1:51:045.5 million small businesses, who are responsible for nearly half our
1:51:04 > 1:51:09private sector jobs. They give the economy its vibrancy and resilience.
1:51:09 > 1:51:15I recognise many are feeling under pressure. I know that it is hard
1:51:15 > 1:51:19work to get a business off the ground and get it to grow, so today
1:51:19 > 1:51:25I want to do what we can to ease that pressure. Business rates
1:51:25 > 1:51:31represent a high fixed cost for small businesses. At budget 2016 we
1:51:31 > 1:51:37introduced a package of business rate relief worth almost £9 billion
1:51:37 > 1:51:43with a further £435 million in the spring budget. Today I go further.
1:51:43 > 1:51:48We have listened to concerns about the potential costs of the annual up
1:51:48 > 1:51:53rating of business rates in April. Today I will accept the
1:51:53 > 1:51:57representation of the British Chambers of Commerce, CBI and others
1:51:57 > 1:52:05and bring forward the planned switch from RPI to CPI by two years to
1:52:05 > 1:52:09April 2018, a move that is worth £2.3 billion to business over the
1:52:09 > 1:52:16next five years. I have listened to businesses affected by the so-called
1:52:16 > 1:52:21staircase tax. We will change the law to ensure where a businesses
1:52:21 > 1:52:25impacted by the ruling, it can have its original bill reinstated if it
1:52:25 > 1:52:31chooses and backdated and I hope I can expect cross-party backing to
1:52:31 > 1:52:37speed that measure through Parliament. Three simple steps to
1:52:37 > 1:52:44solve the staircase tax. What do they expect, it is the tax section?
1:52:44 > 1:52:49To support the thousands of small pubs at the heart of many
1:52:49 > 1:52:53communities, we will extend the £1000 discount with the rateable
1:52:53 > 1:53:03value of less than the amount to March 20 19. I have heard the
1:53:03 > 1:53:06concerns about the five-year reevaluation system and shorter
1:53:06 > 1:53:10periods will reduce the size of changes in valuation that I can
1:53:10 > 1:53:15announce after the next revaluation future revaluation will take place
1:53:15 > 1:53:18every three years. This Conservative government is listening to small
1:53:18 > 1:53:25business. There is a wider concern across this House and in the
1:53:25 > 1:53:29business community about the tax system in the digital age. Along
1:53:29 > 1:53:35with innovation and growth it brings, digitalisation poses
1:53:35 > 1:53:39challenges for the sustainability and fairness of our tax system but
1:53:39 > 1:53:43this challenge can only properly be solved on an international basis and
1:53:43 > 1:53:49the UK is leading the charge in the OECD and G20 to find solutions.
1:53:49 > 1:53:54Today we publish a paper on the tax challenge posed by the digital
1:53:54 > 1:53:58economy, setting out emerging thinking about potential solutions,
1:53:58 > 1:54:05but in the meantime we will take what action we can. Multinational
1:54:05 > 1:54:08digital businesses pay billions in royalties to jurisdictions where
1:54:08 > 1:54:16they are not taxed and some of these royalties relate to UK sales. From
1:54:16 > 1:54:20April 2019 and in accordance with international obligations we will
1:54:20 > 1:54:24apply income tax to royalties relating to UK sales when those
1:54:24 > 1:54:29royalties are paid to a low tax jurisdiction, even if they do not
1:54:29 > 1:54:36fall to be taxed in the UK under current rules. This will raise about
1:54:36 > 1:54:42£200 million a year. It does not solve the problem, but it sends a
1:54:42 > 1:54:46signal of our determination and we will continue to work in the
1:54:46 > 1:54:50international arena to find a sustainable and fair long-term
1:54:50 > 1:54:53solution that properly taxes digital businesses that operate in
1:54:53 > 1:54:59cyberspace. Following representations from a number of
1:54:59 > 1:55:03honourable friends we are taking action to address online VAT fraud
1:55:03 > 1:55:09that costs the taxpayer £1.2 billion per year, by making all online
1:55:09 > 1:55:15marketplaces jointly liable with their sellers for VAT, ensuring
1:55:15 > 1:55:20sellers operating through them pay the right VAT just we expect
1:55:20 > 1:55:26retailers on the high street to do. I want to turn to the challenge of
1:55:26 > 1:55:31the housing market. Before I do, I want to touch on the aftermath of
1:55:31 > 1:55:36the appalling events at Grenfell Tower. We have provided financial
1:55:36 > 1:55:41support for victims of this terrible tragedy and today I announce we will
1:55:41 > 1:55:47provide Kensington and Chelsea Council with a further £28 million
1:55:47 > 1:55:51for mental health and counselling services, the generation support and
1:55:51 > 1:55:57to provide a new community space for residents. This tragedy should never
1:55:57 > 1:56:04have happened and we must ensure nothing like it ever happens again.
1:56:04 > 1:56:09All local authorities and housing associations must carry out any
1:56:09 > 1:56:14identified necessary safety work as soon as possible. If any local
1:56:14 > 1:56:18authority cannot access funding to pay for essential fire safety work,
1:56:18 > 1:56:23they should contact us immediately, and I have said before and will
1:56:23 > 1:56:28again today, we will not allow financial constraints to get in the
1:56:28 > 1:56:35way of essential fire safety work. I want to also address the issue of
1:56:35 > 1:56:41empty properties. It cannot be right to leave property empty when so many
1:56:41 > 1:56:46are desperate for a place to live. We will legislate to give local
1:56:46 > 1:56:51authorities the power to charge a 100% council tax premium on empty
1:56:51 > 1:56:57properties. We will also launch a consultation on barriers to longer
1:56:57 > 1:57:00tenancies in the private rented sector and how we might encourage
1:57:00 > 1:57:05landlords to offer them to tenants who want extra security. I want to
1:57:05 > 1:57:11say something about rough sleeping. It is not acceptable in 21st-century
1:57:11 > 1:57:17Britain people are sleeping on the streets. We will invest today £28
1:57:17 > 1:57:22million in three new housing first pilots in the West Midlands,
1:57:22 > 1:57:27Manchester and in Liverpool, and we will establish a task force as part
1:57:27 > 1:57:31of our commitment to halving rough sleeping by 2022 and eliminating it
1:57:31 > 1:57:39by 2027. I would like to thank the many colleagues who submitted ideas
1:57:39 > 1:57:44on how to tackle the challenge of the housing market, including my
1:57:44 > 1:57:47honourable friends for North East Hampshire, Eastleigh and
1:57:47 > 1:57:53Weston-Super-Mare in particular. By continuing to invest in Britain's
1:57:53 > 1:57:58infrastructure, skills and R&D, we will ensure productivity and
1:57:58 > 1:58:03economic growth that is the key to delivering a stronger, fairer and
1:58:03 > 1:58:08more balanced economy and the assurance to the next generation of
1:58:08 > 1:58:11their economic security, but however successful in that endeavour, there
1:58:11 > 1:58:16is an area where young people will rightly feel concerned about their
1:58:16 > 1:58:21future prospects and that is in the housing market. House prices are
1:58:21 > 1:58:26increasingly out of reach. It takes too long to save for a deposit and
1:58:26 > 1:58:33rents absorbed too high a portion of monthly income. The number of 25-34
1:58:33 > 1:58:39year old is owning their own home has dropped from 59% to 38% in 13
1:58:39 > 1:58:45years. Put simply, successive governments over decades have failed
1:58:45 > 1:58:50to build enough homes to deliver the homeowning dream this country has
1:58:50 > 1:58:56always been proud of, or indeed to meet the needs of those who rent. In
1:58:56 > 1:59:00Manchester a few weeks ago the Prime Minister made a pledge to the
1:59:00 > 1:59:04younger generation that she would dedicate her premiership to fixing
1:59:04 > 1:59:08this problem and today we take the next steps to delivering on that
1:59:08 > 1:59:14pledge. By choosing to build we send a message to the next generation
1:59:14 > 1:59:21that getting on the housing ladder is not just a dream of your parents
1:59:21 > 1:59:25passed, but a reality for your future. We have started with schemes
1:59:25 > 1:59:29like help to buy that has helped 320,000 people buy a home. We have
1:59:29 > 1:59:40increased the supply of homes. By more than 1.1 billion since 2010.
1:59:40 > 1:59:46Including almost 350,000 affordable homes -- by more than 1.1 million.
1:59:46 > 1:59:54The latest figures show that over 217,000 additional homes were added
1:59:54 > 1:59:59to the stock last year, that is a remarkable achievement, but we need
1:59:59 > 2:00:05to do better still if we are to see affordability improved. This is a
2:00:05 > 2:00:11complex challenge and there is no single magic bullet. If we don't
2:00:11 > 2:00:15increase the supply of land for new homes, more money will simply
2:00:15 > 2:00:20inflate prices and make matters worse. If we don't do more to
2:00:20 > 2:00:24support the growth of the SMT house-building sector that was all
2:00:24 > 2:00:31but wiped out by Labour's great recession, we will remain dependent
2:00:31 > 2:00:36on the major national house-builders that dominate the industry. --
2:00:36 > 2:00:44growth of the SME house-building sector. Solving this challenge will
2:00:44 > 2:00:49require money and it will require planning reform and it will require
2:00:49 > 2:00:54intervention. So today we set out an ambitious plan to tackle the housing
2:00:54 > 2:01:00challenge. Over the next five years we will commit a total of at least
2:01:00 > 2:01:05£44 billion of capital funding, loans and guarantees to support our
2:01:05 > 2:01:09housing market, to boost the supply of skills, resources and building
2:01:09 > 2:01:16land and to create the financial incentives to deliver 300,000 net
2:01:16 > 2:01:20additional homes on average by the mid-20 20s, the biggest annual
2:01:20 > 2:01:26increase in housing supply
2:01:26 > 2:01:33New money for the fund to get SME house-building began, a £30 million
2:01:33 > 2:01:39fund, a further £2.7 billion to more than double the housing
2:01:39 > 2:01:44infrastructure fund, £400 million more for a state regeneration, air
2:01:44 > 2:01:48£1.1 billion fund to unlock strategic sites, including new
2:01:48 > 2:01:56settlements and urban regeneration schemes, a listing of H R eight caps
2:01:56 > 2:01:59for councils in high demand areas to get them building again and £8
2:01:59 > 2:02:05billion of new financial guarantees to support house-building and the
2:02:05 > 2:02:08private rented sector. Because we need a workforce to build these new
2:02:08 > 2:02:12homes, we are providing an additional 30 formally in pounds to
2:02:12 > 2:02:17develop construction skills across the country. Mr Deputy Speaker,
2:02:17 > 2:02:20solving the housing challenge takes more than money, it takes planning
2:02:20 > 2:02:25reform. We will focus on the urban areas where people want to live, and
2:02:25 > 2:02:31where most jobs are created, making best use of our urban land and
2:02:31 > 2:02:39continuing the strong protection of our green belt. In particular,
2:02:39 > 2:02:42building high-quality high density homes in city centres and around
2:02:42 > 2:02:48major transport hubs. And to put the needs of our young people first, we
2:02:48 > 2:02:54will insure that councils in high demand areas permit more homes for
2:02:54 > 2:02:59first-time buyers and affordable renters. The Communities Secretary
2:02:59 > 2:03:03will set out more detailed in a statement to the House in due
2:03:03 > 2:03:08course. However, one thing is very clear, there is a significant gap
2:03:08 > 2:03:11between the number of planning permission is granted, and the
2:03:11 > 2:03:20number of homes built. In London alone, there are 270,000 residential
2:03:20 > 2:03:28planning permission is an built. We need to understand why -- not built.
2:03:28 > 2:03:33I'm establishing an urgent review to look at the gap between planning
2:03:33 > 2:03:37permissions and housing starts. It will be chaired by the member for
2:03:37 > 2:03:45West Dorset and will deliver an interim report in time for the
2:03:45 > 2:03:50spring statement next year. And if that report finds that fighter Lee
2:03:50 > 2:03:56needed land is being withheld from the market for commercial rather
2:03:56 > 2:04:00than technical reasons, we will intervene to change the incentives
2:04:00 > 2:04:05to ensure such land is brought forward for development, using
2:04:05 > 2:04:09direct intervention, compulsory purchase powers as necessary. My
2:04:09 > 2:04:14right honourable friend the Prime Minister has said we will fix this
2:04:14 > 2:04:21problem, and no one should doubt the Government's determination to do so.
2:04:21 > 2:04:27But the solution will not deliver itself. Local authorities will need
2:04:27 > 2:04:34help and support. Developers will need encouragement and persuasion.
2:04:34 > 2:04:38Infrastructure to facilitate higher density development must be funded
2:04:38 > 2:04:43undelivered. So the Homes and Communities Agency will expand to
2:04:43 > 2:04:48become homes England bringing together money, expertise and
2:04:48 > 2:04:52planning and compulsory purchase powers with a clear remit to
2:04:52 > 2:04:57facilitate delivery of sufficient new homes where they are most
2:04:57 > 2:04:59needed, to deliver a sustained improvement in housing
2:04:59 > 2:05:06affordability. The battle to achieve and sustain affordability will be a
2:05:06 > 2:05:11long-term one, so we also need to look beyond this Parliament, to
2:05:11 > 2:05:15long-term measures. We will use new town development corporations to
2:05:15 > 2:05:20kick-start five new locally agreed garden towns in areas of demand
2:05:20 > 2:05:25pressure, delivered through public-private partnerships,
2:05:25 > 2:05:26designed to attract long-term capital investment from around the
2:05:26 > 2:05:33world. Last week, the National in the structure commission published
2:05:33 > 2:05:37their report on the Cambridge Milton Keynes Oxford corridor. Today, we
2:05:37 > 2:05:43back their vision and commit to building up to 1 million homes by
2:05:43 > 2:05:472050, completing the road and rail infrastructure to support them. As a
2:05:47 > 2:05:52down payment on this plan, we have agreed an ambitious housing deal
2:05:52 > 2:05:59with Oxfordshire, to deliver 100,000 homes by 2031. Capitalising on the
2:05:59 > 2:06:04global reputations of our two most famous universities and Britain's
2:06:04 > 2:06:08biggest new town, to create a dynamic new growth corridor for the
2:06:08 > 2:06:1421st century. Mr Deputy Speaker, this is our plan to deliver on the
2:06:14 > 2:06:20pledge we have made to the next generation. That the dream of home
2:06:20 > 2:06:25ownership will become a reality in this country once again. But I also
2:06:25 > 2:06:30want to take action today to help young people who are saving to own a
2:06:30 > 2:06:35home. One of the biggest challenges facing young first-time buyers is
2:06:35 > 2:06:40the cash required upfront. We have put £10 billion more money into Help
2:06:40 > 2:06:46to Buy equity loan to help those saving for a deposit, but I want to
2:06:46 > 2:06:49do more still. I have received representations for a temporary
2:06:49 > 2:06:54stamp duty holiday to first-time buyers, but this would only help
2:06:54 > 2:06:59those who are ready to purchase now, and would offer nothing for the many
2:06:59 > 2:07:05who will need to save for years. So with effect from today, for all
2:07:05 > 2:07:10first-time buyer purchases up to £300,000, I am abolishing stamp duty
2:07:10 > 2:07:19altogether.
2:07:35 > 2:07:40If you want more, you are going to have to let the Chancellor finish!
2:07:40 > 2:07:46Chancellor of the Exchequer.And Mr Deputy Speaker, to ensure this
2:07:46 > 2:07:52release also helps first-time buyers in very high-priced areas like
2:07:52 > 2:07:56London, it will also be available on the first £300,000 on the purchase
2:07:56 > 2:08:04price of properties up to £500,000. Meaning an effective reduction of
2:08:04 > 2:08:11£5,000. Mr Deputy Speaker, that is a stamp duty cut for 95% of all
2:08:11 > 2:08:17first-time buyers who pay stamp duty, and no stamp duty at all of
2:08:17 > 2:08:2180% of first-time buyers from today. When we say we will revive the
2:08:21 > 2:08:26homeowning dream in Britain, we mean it. We do not underestimate the
2:08:26 > 2:08:31scale of the challenge, but today we have made a substantial down
2:08:31 > 2:08:38payment. Mr Deputy Speaker, one of the things that I love most about
2:08:38 > 2:08:43this country is its sense of opportunity. I have always felt it
2:08:43 > 2:08:48and I want young people growing up today to have that same sense of
2:08:48 > 2:08:53boundless opportunity. In this Budget, I have set out a vision for
2:08:53 > 2:08:58Britain's future, and a plan for delivering it. But by getting our
2:08:58 > 2:09:01debt down, by supporting British families and businesses, by
2:09:01 > 2:09:06investing in the technologies and the skills of the future, by
2:09:06 > 2:09:09creating the homes and infrastructure our country needs, we
2:09:09 > 2:09:15are at a turning point in our history, and we resolve to look
2:09:15 > 2:09:19forwards, not backwards. To build on the strengths of the British
2:09:19 > 2:09:24economy, to embrace change, not hide from it. To seize the opportunities
2:09:24 > 2:09:29ahead of us, and together, to build a Britain fit for the future. I
2:09:29 > 2:09:37commend this statement to the House. STUDIO: And the Chancellor was on
2:09:37 > 2:09:42his feet for just a little bit more than an hour there. He sits down. We
2:09:42 > 2:09:46will be back to the House to hear the response from Jeremy Corbyn, the
2:09:46 > 2:09:51Leader of the Opposition. Before we do, we have time to go through some
2:09:51 > 2:09:55of the main measures. A lot of this taking place in the context of the
2:09:55 > 2:09:58downgraded growth by the Office for Budget Responsibility for this year,
2:09:58 > 2:10:04next year and the year after that. There were a few rabbits he pulled
2:10:04 > 2:10:09out. Stamp duty now abolished for first-time buyers on properties up
2:10:09 > 2:10:15to £300,000. That will happen right away. 300,000 new homes a year. Now
2:10:15 > 2:10:20he is saying that is the target by the mid-20 20s. They are committed
2:10:20 > 2:10:29to building 200,000 new homes so I don't think it will take that long
2:10:29 > 2:10:33to get to 300,000. Fuel duty is frozen for another year. That seems
2:10:33 > 2:10:38to be a measure that is baked into every Budget we have a cover but
2:10:38 > 2:10:42there will be additional funding to provide for the next pay deal for
2:10:42 > 2:10:46NHS staff. In other words, the funding for any pay deal does not
2:10:46 > 2:10:50come out of existing budgets, there will be more money to be found.
2:10:50 > 2:10:55Let's just look at the economic forecast on which all of this
2:10:55 > 2:11:02spending is based. The OBR, the independent forecasting body the
2:11:02 > 2:11:04Chancellor relies on has downgraded economic growth for the next five
2:11:04 > 2:11:11years. Indeed, it is by about 2.5% in total that the economy will be
2:11:11 > 2:11:15smaller than what it thought in the March Budget over the next five-year
2:11:15 > 2:11:22period. Even so, borrowing does continue to fall over the five
2:11:22 > 2:11:26years, but at a slower rate than the Chancellor envisaged even in March.
2:11:26 > 2:11:31This means there is a fiscal loosening in this Budget. That is at
2:11:31 > 2:11:35the core of it. We will give you more forecasts in a minute but let's
2:11:35 > 2:11:40go back to the Chamber and hear Mr Corbyn.
2:11:40 > 2:11:45Test of the Budget is how it affects the reality of people's lives all
2:11:45 > 2:11:53around this country. I would submit that the reality...If somebody
2:11:53 > 2:11:59wants to go for an early cup of tea, please do so. I am told there are
2:11:59 > 2:12:04men despise waiting. But what I will have is the Leader of the Opposition
2:12:04 > 2:12:09listened to and quietly from this side in the same way I expected the
2:12:09 > 2:12:15other side of the House. Jeremy Corbyn.Thank you, Mr Deputy
2:12:15 > 2:12:20Speaker. The reality test of this Budget has to be how it affects
2:12:20 > 2:12:25ordinary people's lives, and I believe as the days go ahead and
2:12:25 > 2:12:30this Budget unravels, the reality will be a lot of people will be no
2:12:30 > 2:12:37better off and the misery many R.N. Will be continuing. Paid, Mr Speaker
2:12:37 > 2:12:45is now lower than it was in 2010 and wages are now falling again.
2:12:45 > 2:12:53Economic growth in the first three quarters of this year is the lowest
2:12:53 > 2:12:59since 2009, and the slowest of the major economies in the G7. It is a
2:12:59 > 2:13:06record of failure with the forecast of more to come. Economic growth has
2:13:06 > 2:13:12been revised down, productivity growth has been revised down,
2:13:12 > 2:13:15business investment revised down, people's wages and living standards
2:13:15 > 2:13:21revised down. What sort of strong economy is that? What sort of fit
2:13:21 > 2:13:29for the future is that? You may recall, Mr Deputy Speaker, the
2:13:29 > 2:13:41deficit was due to be eradicated by 2015. Then that moved to 2016. Then
2:13:41 > 2:13:51to 2017. Then 2020 and now we are looking at 2025. They are missing
2:13:51 > 2:13:58their major targets, but the failed and damaging policy of austerity
2:13:58 > 2:14:06remains. The number of people sleeping rough has doubled since
2:14:06 > 2:14:142010, and this Christmas, this Christmas 120,000 children will
2:14:14 > 2:14:20spend Christmas in temporary accommodation. Three new pilot
2:14:20 > 2:14:24schemes to look at rough sleeping across the whole country simply
2:14:24 > 2:14:30doesn't cut it. We want action now to help those poor people that
2:14:30 > 2:14:36forced to sleep on our streets and beg...Order. I think the whip know
2:14:36 > 2:14:47better. We do not need any more from you or leave the Chamber.The point
2:14:47 > 2:14:52I am making is three new pilot schemes for rough sleepers simply
2:14:52 > 2:14:56doesn't cut it. It is a disaster for those people sleeping on our
2:14:56 > 2:15:00streets, forced to beg for money for a night shelter. They are looking
2:15:00 > 2:15:04for action now from government to give them a roof over their heads.
2:15:04 > 2:15:10In some parts of the country, life expectancy is actually beginning to
2:15:10 > 2:15:14fall. The last Labour government lifted 1 million children out of
2:15:14 > 2:15:21poverty. It was an amazing achievement. Under this government,
2:15:21 > 2:15:24an extra 1 million children will be plunged into poverty by the end of
2:15:24 > 2:15:30this Parliament.
2:15:30 > 2:15:341.9 million pensioners, one in six of all pensioners living in poverty,
2:15:34 > 2:15:40the worst rate anywhere in Western Europe. It is falling pay, slow
2:15:40 > 2:15:46growth, rising poverty and this is what the Chancellor has the cheek to
2:15:46 > 2:15:53call a strong economy. His predecessor said they would put the
2:15:53 > 2:16:00burden on those with the broader shoulders. How has that turned out?
2:16:00 > 2:16:11The poorest tenth of households will lose 10% of their income by 2022
2:16:11 > 2:16:20while the richest will lose just 1%. So much for tackling burning
2:16:20 > 2:16:25injustices, this is a government tossing fuel on the fire. Personal
2:16:25 > 2:16:34debt levels are rising. 8.3 million people over indebted. If he wants to
2:16:34 > 2:16:40help people out of debt, he should back Labour's policy for a real
2:16:40 > 2:16:52living wage of £10 per hour by 2020. Working-class young people now
2:16:52 > 2:16:59leaving university with £57,000 of debt because this government, his
2:16:59 > 2:17:01government, troubled tuition fees and the new government policy is to
2:17:01 > 2:17:15win over young people by keeping fees at the same rate per year --
2:17:15 > 2:17:22trebled tuition fees. That is just one of the multitudes of injustices
2:17:22 > 2:17:27presided over by this government and another is Universal Credit which we
2:17:27 > 2:17:31called on ministers to pause and fix. That is the view of this House
2:17:31 > 2:17:39and the verdict of those on the front line.To shout out, keep
2:17:39 > 2:17:44going, he will, but you will be going out of the chamber.Jeremy
2:17:44 > 2:17:49Corbyn. I would rather people staged to listen, actually, Mr Deputy
2:17:49 > 2:18:05Speaker. To the reality.Silence! It will be in silence.Thank you, Mr
2:18:05 > 2:18:11Speaker. Maybe those opposite would like to listen to Martin's
2:18:11 > 2:18:20experience. A full-time worker on a minimum wage, he said, I get paid
2:18:20 > 2:18:26four weekly meeting my pay date is different each month and because
2:18:26 > 2:18:29under the Universal Credit system he was paid twice in a month and deemed
2:18:29 > 2:18:35to have earned too much Universal Credit was cut off and lead to rent
2:18:35 > 2:18:39arrears and he had to use a food bank for the first time in his life.
2:18:39 > 2:18:44That is the humiliation he and many others have gone through because of
2:18:44 > 2:18:48the problems of Universal Credit. Would it not be better to pause the
2:18:48 > 2:18:56whole thing and look at the problems it has caused? The Chancellor's
2:18:56 > 2:19:01solution to a failing system causing more debt is to offer a loan and the
2:19:01 > 2:19:07six-week wait with 20% waiting longer simply becomes a five-week
2:19:07 > 2:19:15wait. This system has been run down by £3 billion of cuts to work
2:19:15 > 2:19:23allowances, the two child limit and the perverse and appalling clause
2:19:23 > 2:19:27that caused evictions because housing benefit is not paid direct
2:19:27 > 2:19:31to the landlord. I say put this system on hold so it can be fixed
2:19:31 > 2:19:37and keep 1 million of our children out of poverty. For years, we have
2:19:37 > 2:19:43had the rhetoric of a long-term economic plan that never meets its
2:19:43 > 2:19:50targets. When all too many are experiencing long-term economic
2:19:50 > 2:19:56pain. And the hardest hit are disabled people, single parents and
2:19:56 > 2:20:02women. It is disappointing the Chancellor did not back the campaign
2:20:02 > 2:20:09by my honourable friend to end period poverty. He could have done
2:20:09 > 2:20:15that. Well done to her on the campaign, shame on him for not
2:20:15 > 2:20:19supporting it. The Conservative manifesto in the last election
2:20:19 > 2:20:24disappeared off its website after three days, and now some ministers
2:20:24 > 2:20:28opposite have put forward some half decent proposals, conspicuously
2:20:28 > 2:20:36borrowed from the Labour manifesto. Let me tell the Chancellor, as
2:20:36 > 2:20:41socialists we are happy to share ideas. The Communities Secretary is
2:20:41 > 2:20:46called the borrowing to invest in house-building presumably the Prime
2:20:46 > 2:20:50Minister slapped him down for wanting to bankrupt Britain. Where
2:20:50 > 2:20:55is the money to fund the pay rise if he says the pay cap is over? The
2:20:55 > 2:21:03Chancellor has not been clear for NHS workers, police, firefighters,
2:21:03 > 2:21:08teachers and assistants, bin collectors, Armed Forces personnel.
2:21:08 > 2:21:12Will the Chancellor listen to Claire, who says her mum works for
2:21:12 > 2:21:21the NHS and she goes above and beyond for her patients. Why does
2:21:21 > 2:21:23the government think it OK to underpay, over stress and under
2:21:23 > 2:21:30appreciate all those who work in the NHS? The NHS chief executive says
2:21:30 > 2:21:35the budget for the NHS next year is short of what is currently needed.
2:21:35 > 2:21:40From what the Chancellor has said, it is still going to be well short
2:21:40 > 2:21:49of what is needed. He said in 2015 they would fund another 5000 GPs. In
2:21:49 > 2:21:58the last year, 1200, we have had 1200 fewer GPs and we have lost
2:21:58 > 2:22:02community and mental health nurses. The Chancellor promised
2:22:02 > 2:22:0810,000,000,020 15 and delivered 4.5. If you don't mind, we will wait for
2:22:08 > 2:22:14the small print on the announcement but even what he said falls well
2:22:14 > 2:22:17short of the 6 billion Labour would have delivered from our June
2:22:17 > 2:22:23manifesto. Over 1 million of our elderly are not receiving the care
2:22:23 > 2:22:34they need. Over... Over 6 billion will have been cut from social care
2:22:34 > 2:22:39budgets by next March. I hope he begins to understand what it is like
2:22:39 > 2:22:44to wait for social care, stuck in a hospital bed, with other people
2:22:44 > 2:22:54having to give up work to care for them. The uncaring, uncouth attitude
2:22:54 > 2:23:07of certain members...Order. Carry on.
2:23:08 > 2:23:17Mr Speaker, that is why social care budgets are so important for so many
2:23:17 > 2:23:26desperate people in our country. Our schools will be 5% worse off by
2:23:26 > 2:23:292019, despite the Conservative manifesto promising no school would
2:23:29 > 2:23:40be worse off. 5000 headteachers from 25 counties wrote to the Chancellor
2:23:40 > 2:23:43saying, we are simply asking for the money that has been taken out of the
2:23:43 > 2:23:49system to be returned. A senior science technician wrote to me,
2:23:49 > 2:23:56Robert, saying, my pay has been reduced by over 30%. I have seen
2:23:56 > 2:24:01massive cuts at my school, good teachers and support staff leave.
2:24:01 > 2:24:08That is what does for the morale of both teachers and students.
2:24:08 > 2:24:13According to this government, 5000 headteachers are wrong, Robert is
2:24:13 > 2:24:20wrong, the IFS is wrong, everybody is wrong, except the Chancellor. And
2:24:20 > 2:24:25if the Chancellor bothered to listen to what local government is saying,
2:24:25 > 2:24:30they have been warning services for the most vulnerable children are
2:24:30 > 2:24:34under more demand than ever. More children being taken into care, more
2:24:34 > 2:24:41in desperate need of help and support, yet they are labouring with
2:24:41 > 2:24:45a 2 billion shortfall in the cost of dealing with vulnerable children.
2:24:45 > 2:24:54Because local councils have lost 80%, will have lost 80% of direct
2:24:54 > 2:25:01funding by 2020. The reality of this, across the country, is
2:25:01 > 2:25:07winning's refuges closing, youth centres and libraries and museums
2:25:07 > 2:25:11closing, public facilities understaffed, under resourced and
2:25:11 > 2:25:16underfinanced. It could be so different, but compassion can cost
2:25:16 > 2:25:21very little. Just £10 million is needed to establish the child
2:25:21 > 2:25:27funeral fund, campaigned for brilliantly by my honourable friend
2:25:27 > 2:25:31the member for Swansea East. Why could not the Chancellor at least
2:25:31 > 2:25:37have agreed to fund that? Under this government there are also 20,000
2:25:37 > 2:25:43fewer police officers and another 6000 community support officers and
2:25:43 > 2:25:4611,000 Fire Service staff cut as well. You cannot keep communities
2:25:46 > 2:25:54safe on the cheap. Tammy explains this. Our police presence has been
2:25:54 > 2:25:59taken away from the village, meaning an increase in crime, as a single
2:25:59 > 2:26:02parent I no longer feel safe in the village where I live, particularly
2:26:02 > 2:26:10at night. 5.5 million workers earn less than living wage, 1 million
2:26:10 > 2:26:16more than five years ago. The Chancellor last Sunday could not
2:26:16 > 2:26:22even see 1.4 million people unemployed in this country. There is
2:26:22 > 2:26:30a crisis of low pay and insecure work affecting one in four women and
2:26:30 > 2:26:37one in six men, a record 7.4 million people in working households living
2:26:37 > 2:26:43in poverty. If we want workers earning better pay, less dependent
2:26:43 > 2:26:48on in work benefits, we need strong trade unions, the most effective way
2:26:48 > 2:26:54of boosting workers pay. Instead, this government weakened trade
2:26:54 > 2:26:58unions and introduced employment Tribunal fees, now scrapped, thanks
2:26:58 > 2:27:03to the victory in the courts by Unison, a trade union representing
2:27:03 > 2:27:09members. Why did the Chancellor not take the opportunity to make two
2:27:09 > 2:27:17changes to control debt? First, to cap credit card debt so nobody pays
2:27:17 > 2:27:22back more than they borrowed. And second, to stop credit card
2:27:22 > 2:27:27companies increasing people'scredit limit without their say-so. Debt is
2:27:27 > 2:27:31being racked up because the government is weak on those who
2:27:31 > 2:27:36exploit people such as rail companies hiking fares above
2:27:36 > 2:27:41inflation, and water companies and energy suppliers. During the general
2:27:41 > 2:27:47election he promised an energy cap to benefit around 17 million
2:27:47 > 2:27:51families on standard variable tariffs. But every bill tells
2:27:51 > 2:27:57millions the government has broken that promise. And with 10 billion in
2:27:57 > 2:28:01housing benefit going into the pockets of private landlords every
2:28:01 > 2:28:06year, housing is a key factor in driving up the welfare bill. Not too
2:28:06 > 2:28:11many words from the Chancellor about excessive levels of rent in the
2:28:11 > 2:28:14private rented sector. With this government delivering the worst rate
2:28:14 > 2:28:27of house building since the 20s, and a quarter... And a quarter of a
2:28:27 > 2:28:32million fewer council homes, any commitment would be welcome. But we
2:28:32 > 2:28:37have been here before. The government promised 200,000 starter
2:28:37 > 2:28:43homes, three years ago, and not a single one has yet been built in
2:28:43 > 2:28:48those three years. We need a large scale publicly funded house-building
2:28:48 > 2:28:52programme, not this government's accounting tricks and empty
2:28:52 > 2:28:58promises. We back the abolition of stamp duty for first-time buyers
2:28:58 > 2:29:05because it was another Labour policy in our manifesto in June, not a Tory
2:29:05 > 2:29:09one. This government continues preference for spin over substance,
2:29:09 > 2:29:15that means across this country, in the words wolf powerhouse and
2:29:15 > 2:29:21Midlands engine, now met with derision. Yorkshire and Humber get
2:29:21 > 2:29:27only one tenth of the transport investment per head given to London.
2:29:27 > 2:29:33And government figures show every region in the of England has seen a
2:29:33 > 2:29:40fall in spending on services since 2012. The Midlands, East and west is
2:29:40 > 2:29:46receiving less than 8% of total transport infrastructure investment
2:29:46 > 2:29:52compared with 50% going to London. In the east and West Midlands one in
2:29:52 > 2:29:56four workers are paid less than the living wage, so much for the
2:29:56 > 2:30:00Midlands engine. We announced funding for the trans-Pennine rail
2:30:00 > 2:30:07route will not cut it and the other announcements today will not redress
2:30:07 > 2:30:10that balance. Combined with counter-productive forced Erraid
2:30:10 > 2:30:14Davies lack of investment has consequences in sluggish growth and
2:30:14 > 2:30:18shrinking pay packets. Public investment has virtually halved.
2:30:18 > 2:30:22Under this government Britain has the lowest rate of public investment
2:30:22 > 2:30:30in the G7. But it is now investing in driverless cars. After months of
2:30:30 > 2:30:38road testing back-seat driving in the government.
2:30:38 > 2:30:48By moving from RPI to CPI indexes non-business rates, the Chancellor
2:30:48 > 2:30:53has adopted another Labour policy. But why don't they go further and
2:30:53 > 2:31:01adopt Labour's entire business rates including the annual revaluation of
2:31:01 > 2:31:06business rates. Nowhere have their chaos been more evident than over
2:31:06 > 2:31:10Brexit. Following round after round of fruitless Brexit negotiations,
2:31:10 > 2:31:13the Brexit secretary has been shunted out for the Prime Minister
2:31:13 > 2:31:18who has got no further. Every major business organisation has written to
2:31:18 > 2:31:23the Government telling them to pull their finger out and get on with it.
2:31:23 > 2:31:26Businesses are delaying crucial investment decisions because of this
2:31:26 > 2:31:30government doesn't get its act together soon, they will be taking
2:31:30 > 2:31:36relocation decisions. Crashing out with no deal and turning Britain
2:31:36 > 2:31:42into a tax haven would damage people's jobs and living standards
2:31:42 > 2:31:47would serve only a wealthy few. It is not as if this government isn't
2:31:47 > 2:31:56doing its best to protect tax havens and its clients in the meantime. The
2:31:56 > 2:32:00Paradise Papers exposed how a super-rich elite gets away with
2:32:00 > 2:32:04dodging taxes. This government has opposed measure after measure in
2:32:04 > 2:32:09this House and their Tory colleagues in the European Parliament, to clamp
2:32:09 > 2:32:13down on the tax havens that facilitate this outrageous leaching
2:32:13 > 2:32:21from our public purse. Nonpaid tax, clever reinvestment to get away with
2:32:21 > 2:32:25tax, actually, it is hospitals, schools, housing and it hit the
2:32:25 > 2:32:29poorest and most needy in our society. There is nothing immoral
2:32:29 > 2:32:32about dodging tax. There is everything in moral about evading
2:32:32 > 2:32:38it. Mr Speaker, too often it feels like there is one rule for the
2:32:38 > 2:32:45super-rich and another for the rest of us. The horrors of Grenfell Tower
2:32:45 > 2:32:52were a reflection of a system which puts profits before people, that
2:32:52 > 2:32:56failed to listen to working-class communities. In 2013, the Government
2:32:56 > 2:33:01received advice in a krona's report that sprinklers should be fitted in
2:33:01 > 2:33:09all high-rise buildings. Today, once again, the Government failed to fund
2:33:09 > 2:33:11the £1 billion investment needed. The Chancellor says council should
2:33:11 > 2:33:18contact them. But not in house, Westminster house and they have been
2:33:18 > 2:33:25refused. Nothing was offered to them. We have the privilege to be
2:33:25 > 2:33:30members of Parliament, in a building that is about to be retrofitted with
2:33:30 > 2:33:35sprinklers, to protect us. The message is pretty clear. This
2:33:35 > 2:33:40government cares more about what happens here then happens to people
2:33:40 > 2:33:47living in high-rise homes. In effect saying they matter less. Our
2:33:47 > 2:33:52country, Mr Speaker, is marked by growing inequality and injustice. We
2:33:52 > 2:34:00were promised a revolutionary Budget, the reality is nothing has
2:34:00 > 2:34:04changed. People were looking for help from this Budget and they have
2:34:04 > 2:34:09been let down. Let down by a government, that like the economy be
2:34:09 > 2:34:14presided over, is weak and unstable and in need of urgent change. They
2:34:14 > 2:34:20called this a Budget fit for the future. The reality is, this is a
2:34:20 > 2:34:29government no longer fit for office. Nicky Morgan.
2:34:29 > 2:34:35STUDIO: And Jeremy Corbyn sits down after a long and wide-ranging
2:34:35 > 2:34:39response to the Budget. If you wish to continue to watch what is
2:34:39 > 2:34:43happening in the House of Commons, you can switch to the BBC Parliament
2:34:43 > 2:34:48channel and that will tell you what is going on there. Here, we will go
2:34:48 > 2:34:54through the Budget measures. The speech was 7973 words, and there was
2:34:54 > 2:34:58quite a lot in it. Let's go through some of the main measures and see
2:34:58 > 2:35:02what the Chancellor has done. The surprise in the Budget was the
2:35:02 > 2:35:07abolition of stamp duty for first-time buyers on properties of
2:35:07 > 2:35:11up to £300,000. That is to start immediately. If you look at average
2:35:11 > 2:35:19prices outside of London, they are all well under £300,000. North-east
2:35:19 > 2:35:23England 125,000, the south-west, 200,000. That will make something of
2:35:23 > 2:35:29a difference in terms of the stamp duty there. The Chancellor also
2:35:29 > 2:35:36promised 300,000 additional homes in England each year by the mid 20 20s.
2:35:36 > 2:35:39That is quite a way off given they are already claiming to be creating
2:35:39 > 2:35:42over 200,000 additional new homes every year. Fuel duty has been
2:35:42 > 2:35:48frozen for another year. That is probably on the F1 key for the
2:35:48 > 2:35:52Budget submission because they seem to do it every year. The Chancellor
2:35:52 > 2:35:57pointed out how much money that has costed over the years, over £40
2:35:57 > 2:36:01billion by not raising fuel duty. And he promised additional funding
2:36:01 > 2:36:08to provide for the next pay deal for NHS staff. There will be
2:36:08 > 2:36:12negotiations. NHS staff will get some sort of pay rise. He will come
2:36:12 > 2:36:18up with the extra money. Other measures announced by the
2:36:18 > 2:36:22Chancellor: the personal allowance will increase to £11,850, that is
2:36:22 > 2:36:27the you have to earn before you pay tax. That is in line with inflation.
2:36:27 > 2:36:35He is aiming to get to £12,500 by 2020. The high rate threshold will
2:36:35 > 2:36:41come in at £46,350. That is in line with inflation. He did commit to
2:36:41 > 2:36:46reaching £50,000 by the end of the decade. The young person's Railcard
2:36:46 > 2:36:51is extended from ages 26 to 30. There will be lots more young people
2:36:51 > 2:36:58on the roadways, I am sure as a result of that. -- on the railways.
2:36:58 > 2:37:02There were a number of changes on Universal Credit which is the
2:37:02 > 2:37:06rolling up of several welfare benefits into a single Universal
2:37:06 > 2:37:11Credit. We will look at that in more detail later. I think he said the
2:37:11 > 2:37:16changes would cost around £1.5 billion. What was a problem for the
2:37:16 > 2:37:22Government, he has thrown a bit of money at it. All of this is behind
2:37:22 > 2:37:31the growth forecast. This in the macroeconomic terms is the most
2:37:31 > 2:37:33interesting. The independent Office for Budget Responsibility, which
2:37:33 > 2:37:35does this forecast, has done some quite substantial downgrades and
2:37:35 > 2:37:41growth. Even in March of this year it said the economy would grow by 2%
2:37:41 > 2:37:48in 2017, now it is down to 1.5%. There was one year in November they
2:37:48 > 2:37:52predicted the growth rate for that year and it was way out. But
2:37:52 > 2:37:57nevertheless, that is what is saying. 2018, it goes down a little
2:37:57 > 2:38:06bit further to 1.4. Then two years of 1.3% and then 1.5%. The reality
2:38:06 > 2:38:10is in the next three years in no stage according to this forecast
2:38:10 > 2:38:16does the British economy come anywhere near 2% economic growth.
2:38:16 > 2:38:21That is quite a substantial downgrade. It would seem to imply
2:38:21 > 2:38:26that the underlying rate of growth we can manage has fallen
2:38:26 > 2:38:29substantially. Other economic forecasts, because of the lower
2:38:29 > 2:38:34economic growth, then you have to borrow a bit more. The Chancellor is
2:38:34 > 2:38:37still planning for borrowing to fall in the next five years but not in
2:38:37 > 2:38:41nearly the same rate. In two or three years' time, the amount of
2:38:41 > 2:38:45borrowing will be double what the OBR was forecasting in March of this
2:38:45 > 2:38:52year. So deficit reduction continues, but at a slower rate.
2:38:52 > 2:38:56That surplus that the Chancellor sometimes talks about, he did not
2:38:56 > 2:39:01mention it much today, seems to slip ever further into the distant
2:39:01 > 2:39:06future. Part of the reason why the growth has come down and the
2:39:06 > 2:39:10borrowing slowdown in reducing the deficit has taken place, is because
2:39:10 > 2:39:14the OBR has assumed our productivity, our ability to produce
2:39:14 > 2:39:20things efficiently is not going to grow nearly as quickly as it hoped.
2:39:20 > 2:39:25That affect tax revenues and economic growth. However, the OBR
2:39:25 > 2:39:31says despite unemployment on most measures now, we are pretty much at
2:39:31 > 2:39:35full employment, there will be 600,000 more people in employment by
2:39:35 > 2:39:412020. Here is one that the Government regards as a watershed.
2:39:41 > 2:39:47It is saying that debt, our national debt, all the money previous
2:39:47 > 2:39:51governments have borrowed over the years, and we have not yet paid
2:39:51 > 2:39:59back, the national debt will peak at 85.65% of national income this year
2:39:59 > 2:40:08and then start to fall -- it will peak at 86 point 5%. The Government
2:40:08 > 2:40:19exist as a watershed that debt. To come down. As an -- a percentage. In
2:40:19 > 2:40:23health, there were lots of announcements on health. The health
2:40:23 > 2:40:27service is to receive an extra 10 billion in capital investment over
2:40:27 > 2:40:34the course of this Parliament the Chancellor said. £2.8 billion extra
2:40:34 > 2:40:45resource funding for NHS England and new funds to include 350 million
2:40:45 > 2:40:53this winter. The tobacco duty to rise by inflation plus 2%. There
2:40:53 > 2:41:00will be an extra 1% duty on hand rolling tobacco. Sorry to the hand
2:41:00 > 2:41:05rollers. The increased duty on some ciders will not be popular in Devon.
2:41:05 > 2:41:21And on business. He has decided not to rise the threshold for small
2:41:21 > 2:41:29businesses. Businesses rates will not go up so quickly and business
2:41:29 > 2:41:33rate revaluations will take place every three years, not every five.
2:41:33 > 2:41:38That may put the rates up a little bit again. Other measures before we
2:41:38 > 2:41:44start our analysis, he announced £3 billion for Brexit preparations.
2:41:44 > 2:41:50Whether he will have to spend all that, we don't know. The National
2:41:50 > 2:42:00Living Wage will rise to £7 83 an hour I April next year. There will
2:42:00 > 2:42:05be £2 billion extra for Scotland, £1.2 billion for Wales and £650
2:42:05 > 2:42:10million the Northern Ireland. Vehicle excise duties will increase
2:42:10 > 2:42:19for the most polluting now unpopular diesel cars. A lot of other things
2:42:19 > 2:42:26in the Budget but I think these are the main headlines. Paul Johnson,
2:42:26 > 2:42:30the Institute for Fiscal Studies is joining us round this table. Let's
2:42:30 > 2:42:35get our in-house experts first. The politics of this, Laura?I think
2:42:35 > 2:42:40Philip Hammond is digging a plaster on some of the problems the
2:42:40 > 2:42:44Government has had. Whether that is improvements to Universal Credit,
2:42:44 > 2:42:47more money for the NHS and on housing, what the Government will
2:42:47 > 2:42:51claim is a very big response to problems and anxieties that were
2:42:51 > 2:42:56expressed in the election and the last few months, that this is really
2:42:56 > 2:43:01the crisis of our time, which the Prime Minister has personally
2:43:01 > 2:43:06promised to fix. The announcement of scrapping stamp duty for first-time
2:43:06 > 2:43:11buyers up to £300,000, is something that will get Tory backbenchers
2:43:11 > 2:43:15cheering. Number Ten were delighted they were able to come up with an
2:43:15 > 2:43:18announcement like that that without question will grab some of the
2:43:18 > 2:43:22headlines. I think it will be difficult in the coming days for the
2:43:22 > 2:43:26Government to escape the rather more grim economic picture behind that.
2:43:26 > 2:43:31The reality is if the forecasts prove to be correct, the economy and
2:43:31 > 2:43:34how we will all feel about whether or not we are feeling skint and
2:43:34 > 2:43:38grumpy, or whether things are improving under this government, is
2:43:38 > 2:43:44the economy is not as healthy as previously thought. Notable that £3
2:43:44 > 2:43:48billion for Brexit preparation, around the same money which is going
2:43:48 > 2:43:56into the NHS.Indeed, expensive. Kamal, what is your headline?It is
2:43:56 > 2:43:59the downgrading growth. The Office for Budget Responsibility has been
2:43:59 > 2:44:04more negative than the Bank of England was a few weeks ago. Also,
2:44:04 > 2:44:08it has cut productivity. That means tax receipts for the Government are
2:44:08 > 2:44:13set to fall. The judgment is in the numbers they have just published
2:44:13 > 2:44:17alongside the Budget by £20 billion by the end of the forecast period.
2:44:17 > 2:44:21In response to that, Philip Hammond has tried to do two things. He has
2:44:21 > 2:44:26tried to do the vision thing. He was asked to have this idea of optimism.
2:44:26 > 2:44:30At the start of this Budget it did not have any figures in. He was
2:44:30 > 2:44:35talking about the challenges and then the EU money. But what
2:44:35 > 2:44:39accompanies this is a big fiscal loosening. He is allowing for much
2:44:39 > 2:44:45more borrowing. If you compare the March 20 17 Budget with this one,
2:44:45 > 2:44:51over the last three years of the forecast period, the tax takes were
2:44:51 > 2:44:57going to beat the spending giveaways. For every year of the
2:44:57 > 2:45:01forecast period, spending giveaways or borrowing giveaways are far
2:45:01 > 2:45:06higher than tax takes. So he has allowed for the borrowing lock to be
2:45:06 > 2:45:11loosened slightly over then whole five years up to 2022. I think that
2:45:11 > 2:45:19is the most significant change.
2:45:19 > 2:45:23Big changes in business rates. Will business be happy, disappointed,
2:45:23 > 2:45:30relieved?I think they will raise a small cheer. Business rates revalued
2:45:30 > 2:45:35according with CPI rather than RPI which is at 4% and CBI is at 3% and
2:45:35 > 2:45:39they will bring it forward which will save business 2.3 billion over
2:45:39 > 2:45:45the period and the other one, did not reduce the VAT threshold from
2:45:45 > 2:45:4885,000, which was a major banana skin. If he stepped onto which it
2:45:48 > 2:45:56would have been a bad idea. The other thing, talk of the future,
2:45:56 > 2:46:00extra money for productivity and investment fund. The kitty was 23
2:46:00 > 2:46:05billion. He is now adding another year to the programme of five
2:46:05 > 2:46:11billion and I calculate roughly 3 billion in new money there.He will
2:46:11 > 2:46:17have to find the money. Paul Johnson. We mention the headwinds
2:46:17 > 2:46:23the deficit reduction faces because of slower growth in productivity
2:46:23 > 2:46:28growth but he has found more money to spend, which reduces the deficit
2:46:28 > 2:46:37reduction. He has loosened his belt. Quite a lot. He has moved, he has
2:46:37 > 2:46:42taken the hit to the public finances and added the same amount again in
2:46:42 > 2:46:47additional spending with the result we will be borrowing more than
2:46:47 > 2:46:53expected two, three years hence and if you compare this budget with the
2:46:53 > 2:46:59one in March 2016, when George Osborne was promising a surplus in
2:46:59 > 2:47:052019 of 10 billion, we now have a 35 billion deficit in 2019, a very big
2:47:05 > 2:47:11turnaround in less than two years. Most of it down to the significantly
2:47:11 > 2:47:17worse economic forecasts but a large chunk because the government, not
2:47:17 > 2:47:21surprisingly, has found it difficult in fact impossible to implement the
2:47:21 > 2:47:24scale of spending cuts talking about a couple of years ago.How
2:47:24 > 2:47:35significant is it our national debt as a percentage of our annual GDP,
2:47:35 > 2:47:40wealth creation, now starts to fall? Is it a watershed for the government
2:47:40 > 2:47:45or just a mathematical formula?It does matter that it is not growing
2:47:45 > 2:47:49for ever. We do not know what a sustainable level of national debt
2:47:49 > 2:47:55is and it might be bigger, but we know it cannot grow for ever. One of
2:47:55 > 2:48:00the worries for the government in the long crumb is the OBR appears to
2:48:00 > 2:48:07say instead of looking at -- the OBR is saying they are looking at a
2:48:07 > 2:48:14sustainable growth rate and if that is the case, to get the debt down
2:48:14 > 2:48:18you have to borrow less because you do not get the economy growing to
2:48:18 > 2:48:24offset some of the impact of the deficit. Things get harder if the
2:48:24 > 2:48:29economy is not doing well.When you look at the growth figures. The OBR
2:48:29 > 2:48:34might be wrong, it has in the past, but if we take them at face value as
2:48:34 > 2:48:40the Chancellor had to to construct the sums, that is how it works. We
2:48:40 > 2:48:46look like being stuck in the slow lane for the indefinite future.That
2:48:46 > 2:48:51is my initial understanding by what they are saying, they seem to say
2:48:51 > 2:48:57over the next five years and potentially beyond, with poor
2:48:57 > 2:49:01productivity growth, we will be growing by something like 1.5% a
2:49:01 > 2:49:05year and historically opted to thousand eight we were growing by at
2:49:05 > 2:49:10least 2% a year on average. We are stuck in the international slow
2:49:10 > 2:49:14lane. Over the past couple of years the rest of the world economy has
2:49:14 > 2:49:20been going great guns in our economy has fallen behind the rest of the
2:49:20 > 2:49:31world. Why? A series of reasons, partly the productivity growth and
2:49:31 > 2:49:35depreciation of sterling. The rest of the world has done well and that
2:49:35 > 2:49:39has helped us. If the rest of the world had been doing badly we would
2:49:39 > 2:49:42be doing worse but we have gone from a short period of doing better than
2:49:42 > 2:49:46the rest of the world to one where we are doing worse.Have they given
2:49:46 > 2:49:54up on banners in the budget? They missed it. They were going to do it
2:49:54 > 2:50:00by 2015, then 2020, then it was to be the mid-20s. Call it 2025. I do
2:50:00 > 2:50:05not see much of a reference to it any more, is it over?They have not
2:50:05 > 2:50:13said it is over but it looks over to me. Facing another deterioration in
2:50:13 > 2:50:17the public finances, what the Chancellor did not do is say we have
2:50:17 > 2:50:22to hold our course or cut spending as much, he said the public finances
2:50:22 > 2:50:26have got worse and did a sense making them worse again by spending
2:50:26 > 2:50:31more. The deficit today is no higher than it was before the recession so
2:50:31 > 2:50:36the deficit does not look terribly worrying. It is the question for the
2:50:36 > 2:50:42government, are they worried about the debt?They are not the
2:50:42 > 2:50:46individual measures that affect people directly but have we moved,
2:50:46 > 2:50:50is the government asking us to say stop looking at balancing the
2:50:50 > 2:50:57budget, getting to surplus, look at our national debt that will fall as
2:50:57 > 2:51:00a percentage of GDP gently and that is the metric we should concentrate
2:51:00 > 2:51:06on?It is a change? They have not said it explicitly but I think that
2:51:06 > 2:51:12is the impression one gets. In the long run, that is what matters. It
2:51:12 > 2:51:16does not matter whether we are at budget balance. We could have the
2:51:16 > 2:51:20debt gradually falling when we are not that budget balance but the
2:51:20 > 2:51:25risks are if the economy goes wrong, the debt starts rising quickly.
2:51:25 > 2:51:31Because we are growing less quickly we can afford less in the long run
2:51:31 > 2:51:38of a deficit.There is no sign the markets are particularly fazed by
2:51:38 > 2:51:42the new borrowing. There were important announcements and quite
2:51:42 > 2:51:47complicated announcements on health spending including extra pay for
2:51:47 > 2:51:55nurses. Let's go to the BBC health editor in Birmingham, at a hospital.
2:51:55 > 2:52:01Hugh Pym, give us your overall impression, how significant are the
2:52:01 > 2:52:07announcements for our NHS?I think they are significant politically and
2:52:07 > 2:52:10I am sure there will be headlines about budget billions but looking at
2:52:10 > 2:52:15the numbers it does not add up to a huge amount compared to what the NHS
2:52:15 > 2:52:21wanted. You have £350 million for hospitals in England this winter to
2:52:21 > 2:52:26deal with winter pressures, but already senior health leaders tell
2:52:26 > 2:52:31me what do you do at this late stage with that money? You can only use it
2:52:31 > 2:52:39to bring in staff, agency workers, overtime, and it is difficult to
2:52:39 > 2:52:43find people to do extra shifts. You have 1.6 billion revenue funding for
2:52:43 > 2:52:49NHS into next year. The think tank had asked for 4 billion next year
2:52:49 > 2:52:52and Simon Stevens had not disassociated himself from that
2:52:52 > 2:52:57number. You have 1.6 of day-to-day spending and capital on top but the
2:52:57 > 2:53:02view is it falls short. I'm sure some will say there is money for the
2:53:02 > 2:53:06NHS and they are complaining again but the pressures are so intense it
2:53:06 > 2:53:09needed something significant the next couple of years and it is
2:53:09 > 2:53:14welcome to appoint that does not go as far as they wanted.They will be
2:53:14 > 2:53:18relieved that if and when nurses get a pay rise and it looks like the pay
2:53:18 > 2:53:24cap has gone, or what the rise will be is another matter, that the
2:53:24 > 2:53:27Chancellor will not ask the hospital like the one behind due to fund it
2:53:27 > 2:53:33out of its existing budget, he will find extra money, is that right?
2:53:33 > 2:53:39That is right. The Chancellor said when it came to nurses pay, the pay
2:53:39 > 2:53:43review body would make recommendations early next year and
2:53:43 > 2:53:46he would find extra money to pay for any increase that may be awarded
2:53:46 > 2:53:56above the current 1%. That is a big relief to NHS and employers that
2:53:56 > 2:54:01they will not have to fund it. Some people are saying, it will be
2:54:01 > 2:54:06welcome, but we do not know about doctors' pay and other health staff.
2:54:06 > 2:54:16Thank you. Back in the studio I am joined by the Chief Secretary to the
2:54:16 > 2:54:21Treasury Liz Truss. Welcome. Why is this Conservative government
2:54:21 > 2:54:28presiding over declining growth?We are presided over a period of solid
2:54:28 > 2:54:34growth. Hugely increased employment. One of the most welcome things today
2:54:34 > 2:54:39in the OBR forecast is 600,000 people are projected to go into jobs
2:54:39 > 2:54:44over the next few years but there is a challenge about growth.Why is it
2:54:44 > 2:54:49declining under your watch? It was supposed to be 2% this year and it
2:54:49 > 2:54:58will be 1.5. OBR says it will be 1.4, 1.3, 1.3. You never get close
2:54:58 > 2:55:03to 2% in the foreseeable future. This is the analysis of the OBR. We
2:55:03 > 2:55:08have an issue with productivity as a country and that is what the
2:55:08 > 2:55:12Chancellor last budget talked about the national productivity investment
2:55:12 > 2:55:16fund and investment in skills, making sure people in work, which is
2:55:16 > 2:55:21a major achievement what we have done on employment, have the ability
2:55:21 > 2:55:26to earn more, get skills they need, and we can turbo-charge some of
2:55:26 > 2:55:32those fantastic companies. Wages are stagnant. To earn more we need to
2:55:32 > 2:55:38improve productivity and the way to do it is to boost high productivity
2:55:38 > 2:55:42companies, more investment, in infrastructure, which is what our
2:55:42 > 2:55:47overall budget package is about. George Osborne in his first budget
2:55:47 > 2:55:52in 2010 talked about Britain's week productivity and that was seven
2:55:52 > 2:55:57years ago. Productivity has been downgraded further by the OBR and
2:55:57 > 2:56:01new growth is downgraded. You are coming up to a decade and it gets
2:56:01 > 2:56:07worse.Productivity is a long-term problem and some of the measures...
2:56:07 > 2:56:11Long-term under your government. Some measures, improving maths in
2:56:11 > 2:56:16schools, it will take a while for those young people to get into the
2:56:16 > 2:56:22workforce and improve productivity. If you look at building Crossrail,
2:56:22 > 2:56:28the other lines, the North London line, those take time. What we are
2:56:28 > 2:56:32doing is taking short-term measures to improve the living standard of
2:56:32 > 2:56:38people, whether it is the freeze on fuel duty or tax while dealing with
2:56:38 > 2:56:48long-term issues by investing in skills and infrastructure.After
2:56:48 > 2:56:53seven years and growth is getting worse. Over the next years, under
2:56:53 > 2:56:58your government, productivity is forecast to fall, GDP growth is done
2:56:58 > 2:57:03every year and borrowing continues higher than you were promising even
2:57:03 > 2:57:11in March.Where is the good news? What is important is despite the
2:57:11 > 2:57:15difficult news on areas like productivity, we are keeping to our
2:57:15 > 2:57:18public finance rules and it is important we have a budget that
2:57:18 > 2:57:24keeps within those disciplines, which keeps control of the public
2:57:24 > 2:57:29finances. What we are facing is a Labour Party that wants to increase
2:57:29 > 2:57:36debt by half a trillion pounds. We are keeping strong public finances
2:57:36 > 2:57:41and yes we want growth to improve and that is why this budget is about
2:57:41 > 2:57:45investing in skills, new companies and helping people get on in life.
2:57:45 > 2:57:54Every year you fail to meet the deficit forecast. In March, by 2021,
2:57:54 > 2:58:03you talked by 21-22 you said we would borrow only 16 billion and now
2:58:03 > 2:58:08use a 30 billion. You're not keeping a tight fiscal grip, you are going
2:58:08 > 2:58:13to borrow more.We are sticking with fiscal rules so we will see debt
2:58:13 > 2:58:17falling next year, at the same time acknowledging the real issues we
2:58:17 > 2:58:25have.Let's be clear. A percentage of GDP. You the absolute level of
2:58:25 > 2:58:32debt is rising?Accept that. As a percentage of GDP, which is the
2:58:32 > 2:58:35right measure, because it is what the economy can afford.Let me ask
2:58:35 > 2:58:44about housing. Housing was to be at the centre of this budget. Why after
2:58:44 > 2:58:52seven years in power have you not got additional net dwellings back to
2:58:52 > 2:58:57the increase it was in 2007?What we have been able to do is get the
2:58:57 > 2:59:03number of new houses being built up to 217,000 a year and that is the
2:59:03 > 2:59:09highest since 2008. But lower than 2007. By the end of the parliament
2:59:09 > 2:59:14we will be at a level not seen since the 1970s and the planning reforms
2:59:14 > 2:59:23are having an effect and we are seeing new homes.Of the 217,000 net
2:59:23 > 2:59:28additional dwellings, and they are not all new-build. You are talking
2:59:28 > 2:59:31about the category that includes conversions of commercial property
2:59:31 > 2:59:38to homes and big houses being converted into apartments. Of the
2:59:38 > 2:59:42217,000, how much would the government classify as affordable?I
2:59:42 > 2:59:49do not have that figure. The key point is the more homes we build,
2:59:49 > 2:59:54the more affordable they will become and we are seeking to achieve to
2:59:54 > 3:00:01stop the houses becoming more unaffordable overall.Eusebio aim is
3:00:01 > 3:00:08to make housing affordable for more people. So the figure for new
3:00:08 > 3:00:16affordable homes out of the 217,000 is 41,000, down 20,000 on 2010-11 so
3:00:16 > 3:00:22as a percentage it is not worth. A lot of people would argue with your
3:00:22 > 3:00:26definition of affordable. Some cannot afford to buy homes at all.
3:00:26 > 3:00:32They can only rent. How many new social homes for rent have been
3:00:32 > 3:00:38created?Last year by this government? I do not have that
3:00:38 > 3:00:42figure. I thought housing was at the centre of the budget. It is at the
3:00:42 > 3:00:48centre.
3:00:48 > 3:00:55We are always happy to help the Treasury. In the first year the
3:00:55 > 3:01:00Conservatives were in power, almost 40,000 homes were built for social
3:01:00 > 3:01:04rent. We used to call them council houses or social housing. It is not
3:01:04 > 3:01:09a huge number but it was nearly 40,000. Look what has happened under
3:01:09 > 3:01:15your watch. By last year that was down to just over 5000. For many
3:01:15 > 3:01:19people on the lowest incomes, that is all they can do, is trying to get
3:01:19 > 3:01:24a social rent house, and you will you build 5000?My point is we are
3:01:24 > 3:01:29building more across the board. The more homes we build across the
3:01:29 > 3:01:35board, the average price.But you are not doing it across-the-board.
3:01:35 > 3:01:40On social rent you have allowed it to collapse by what, seven acres?
3:01:40 > 3:01:44And we have recently made an announcement in the party
3:01:44 > 3:01:48conference, we are putting more money into building council homes.
3:01:48 > 3:01:51We need to build more right across the board and the key point is we
3:01:51 > 3:01:58want to get to levels we saw before 1970 when we were building 300,000 a
3:01:58 > 3:02:02year.But if your main concern is making housing more affordable, is
3:02:02 > 3:02:06it really the best use of taxpayers money to scrap stamp duty for
3:02:06 > 3:02:10first-time buyers, when the OBR's book says actually, it may push
3:02:10 > 3:02:15prices up little bit and I quote from the book: the main gainers from
3:02:15 > 3:02:21this policy are people who already own property, not first-time buyers
3:02:21 > 3:02:26themselves. That is a policy cheered to the raft by Tory MPs and it will
3:02:26 > 3:02:31sound good, but the idea is it will push prices up and people who are
3:02:31 > 3:02:36already in their own homes will be the biggest beneficiaries. Are you
3:02:36 > 3:02:40proud of that?Am proud of that. When I was young many more people my
3:02:40 > 3:02:45age were able to buy a home and get on the housing ladder. I know how
3:02:45 > 3:02:48frustrated the next generation are that they don't have those
3:02:48 > 3:02:52opportunities. While we are doing the long term changes we need to do
3:02:52 > 3:02:56to our planning system, and we do need to get to that 3000 level, I
3:02:56 > 3:03:02think it is right...But you are push up the demand and the supplied
3:03:02 > 3:03:05as not come until several years latest in the meantime you're
3:03:05 > 3:03:12pushing prices up.The effect of building many more homes will be far
3:03:12 > 3:03:16greater.But when? This is great clear that the main gainers from
3:03:16 > 3:03:20this policy which is designed to help people you say you want to
3:03:20 > 3:03:22help, the younger generation who are finding it hard to get on housing
3:03:22 > 3:03:27ladder, the main beneficiaries will be people who already own their
3:03:27 > 3:03:33property. Is it the best use of taxpayers money to essentially be
3:03:33 > 3:03:39subsidising homeowners than putting in money for people at the bottom?
3:03:39 > 3:03:43The key policy we have got is increasing supply, changing the
3:03:43 > 3:03:47planning rules to allow buildings to be built up so we can build more in
3:03:47 > 3:03:50city centres around railway stations and so on. Those are the policies
3:03:50 > 3:03:55which will make the difference in the long term. In the short-term,
3:03:55 > 3:03:59there are those buyers in their 20s and 30s who cannot get on the
3:03:59 > 3:04:02housing ladder. I do think it is real important we don't just look at
3:04:02 > 3:04:06the long-term which is vital, we help them out now with that issue.
3:04:06 > 3:04:12This will give people up to £5,000 off their bill to be able to buy a
3:04:12 > 3:04:18new home. I don't think we can just ignore that and say let's wait until
3:04:18 > 3:04:22we build Crossrail to, let's wait until we have the new towns in
3:04:22 > 3:04:27place, we do have to help people now which is why it is important that we
3:04:27 > 3:04:31do do this measure for the short-term.Can I ask a little bit
3:04:31 > 3:04:38about the Brexit effect? You have had to commit more money. You said
3:04:38 > 3:04:431.5 billion for the next two years which is £3 billion, almost the same
3:04:43 > 3:04:48money you have committed to the NHS? The OBR report they have just
3:04:48 > 3:04:52brought out said since the referendum, the pattern for GDP
3:04:52 > 3:04:56growth is consistent with an adverse shock to the economy's future
3:04:56 > 3:05:01capacity. I wondered if you agreed with that and the costs of the
3:05:01 > 3:05:06Brexit issues are the really big effect? You answered and about why
3:05:06 > 3:05:10we are not growing quickly. The OBR says one of the big issues is Brexit
3:05:10 > 3:05:15and one of the big issues for you for spending money is also Brexit.
3:05:15 > 3:05:20We do have to spend that money making sure we are prepared for all
3:05:20 > 3:05:23eventualities. People want to know we have the customs arrangements in
3:05:23 > 3:05:28place at our ports, that our regulatory authorities work when we
3:05:28 > 3:05:31leave the European Union, regardless of what the scenario is. It is
3:05:31 > 3:05:38prudent that we put £3 billion aside for doing that.His Cabinet
3:05:38 > 3:05:44colleagues pressured him to do so. That is and fair on the Chancellor.
3:05:44 > 3:05:48He has already put 700 million aside for Brexit preparation. That has
3:05:48 > 3:05:52been given to departments and this £3 billion is more money to be able
3:05:52 > 3:05:56to do that. That is for any scenario we have to go through, because
3:05:56 > 3:05:59whatever the negotiations end up with, we will have to look at
3:05:59 > 3:06:10customs arrangements.On Kamal's point... On this thing about
3:06:10 > 3:06:14spending ahead of Brexit, the plan was to have a bit of head room,
3:06:14 > 3:06:18silly things went bad later down the road and we had a bit of a problem,
3:06:18 > 3:06:29there was a bit of a cutie left to smooth the path. Has he spent that
3:06:29 > 3:06:42today? -- there was a bit of a kick the left --we are spending on maths
3:06:42 > 3:06:47and science to get people's skills up in that area, huge number of
3:06:47 > 3:06:51computer science teachers, really important for new industries like
3:06:51 > 3:06:54artificial intelligence. That is how we will deal with the challenge of
3:06:54 > 3:07:00leaving the European Union. We will not deal with the challenge by
3:07:00 > 3:07:03spending more money willy-nilly. We are dealing with the challenge for
3:07:03 > 3:07:10making us sit.You have talked about how you stayed within the fiscal
3:07:10 > 3:07:13rules. Two years ago you put the balance of the housing associations
3:07:13 > 3:07:19onto the national balance sheet so it became part of our national debt.
3:07:19 > 3:07:23This EU have moved them back onto the balance sheet of the housing
3:07:23 > 3:07:26associations. In, out, shake it all about. If you had not done that,
3:07:26 > 3:07:32would you have met your the school rules?That was the decision by the
3:07:32 > 3:07:36Office for National Statistics because those are deemed to be
3:07:36 > 3:07:39private sector organisations.Has only two years ago it was on your
3:07:39 > 3:07:42balance sheet. If that hadn't happened, would you have stayed
3:07:42 > 3:07:47within your fiscal rules?That is not a relevant point because those
3:07:47 > 3:07:51organisations are being treated as private sector organisations.Only
3:07:51 > 3:08:00two years ago you made them public. That was a decision by the ONS based
3:08:00 > 3:08:03on the activities of those organisations. We have to go with
3:08:03 > 3:08:05the ONS and the OBR on their independent forecast. There is a
3:08:05 > 3:08:09reason why the Treasury is not doing the forecast and it is independent
3:08:09 > 3:08:12organisations.We have to leave it there which is a pity because we
3:08:12 > 3:08:19have more to talk about. Thank you to Liz Truss. We now say goodbye to
3:08:19 > 3:08:24our viewers in Scotland. Let's go back to Jo Coburn and get
3:08:24 > 3:08:30reaction in Peterborough.Yes, Andrew, I have been here watching
3:08:30 > 3:08:35the Budget with employees and businesses at Lawrence David, one of
3:08:35 > 3:08:38the country's leading manufacturers of lorry trailers. They have all
3:08:38 > 3:08:45been busy at work while the Budget has gone on. I will talk to two
3:08:45 > 3:08:47people who run small businesses. Philip Hammond the Chancellor
3:08:47 > 3:08:55described you as the backbone of the economy. Chuan Bass who makes
3:08:55 > 3:09:00banners and Raj who runs a lakeside cafe in Peterborough. -- Joanne
3:09:00 > 3:09:09base. These were talked about in the Budget -- business rates were talked
3:09:09 > 3:09:17about in the Budget. Has this effect did you at all?Not at all.What
3:09:17 > 3:09:24would you have liked to have seen? Cut in business rates and more
3:09:24 > 3:09:27investment put back into businesses. How much harder has it got for you
3:09:27 > 3:09:35in the last year?Quite a lot harder. With minimum wages
3:09:35 > 3:09:38increasing and pensions coming in, there are more stretched resources
3:09:38 > 3:09:42which are available for small businesses to put back into training
3:09:42 > 3:09:49of staff to put in improvements and increase productivity.What skills
3:09:49 > 3:09:54do you need?There is a massive shortage of sales skills in the UK,
3:09:54 > 3:10:02good customer service. It is a section which suffers.Raj, you run
3:10:02 > 3:10:08a cafe so I assume the increase in food prices affect the?Massively.
3:10:08 > 3:10:14We already struggle in terms of the delivery of our bottom line and with
3:10:14 > 3:10:19the minimum wage going up and the pension contribution going up next
3:10:19 > 3:10:23year, it is affected even further. It was quite disappointing to see
3:10:23 > 3:10:28nothing there for small businesses like myself today. We were also
3:10:28 > 3:10:32hoping to see some sort of reduction in VAT and hospitality which we have
3:10:32 > 3:10:36been talking about for years and years now. I am disappointed that
3:10:36 > 3:10:45nothing has happened now.Are you able to Budget in the way that you
3:10:45 > 3:10:49would like to?Yes, we are small company which is constantly
3:10:49 > 3:10:52reinvesting money back into the business. We will look for ways we
3:10:52 > 3:10:57can cut money so we are more sustainable. At the end of the date
3:10:57 > 3:11:01is about sustainability. We have to make sure it is a viable operation
3:11:01 > 3:11:08to run.Thank you for your thoughts on the businesses you run here in
3:11:08 > 3:11:12Peterborough. Let's catch up on some of the announcements that were made
3:11:12 > 3:11:17which will affect people in terms of their personal finances. Simon
3:11:17 > 3:11:21Gompertz is down on the factory floor. I will run down there in a
3:11:21 > 3:11:27minute. Simon, over to you.Thank you. Lots of comments and questions
3:11:27 > 3:11:32coming in. Jerome says won't a stamp duty holiday just a few house prices
3:11:32 > 3:11:37rather than get houses built? A lot of people have said that. One state
3:11:37 > 3:11:48agent says he
3:11:49 > 3:11:51advises people to get their deals done quickly, before prices start
3:11:51 > 3:11:53rising, before this stamp duty abolition effect kicks in. Susie
3:11:53 > 3:11:55Turnbull says our son is a first-time buyer buying a flat in
3:11:55 > 3:12:00North London for £520,000. Will he benefit from this damp duty
3:12:00 > 3:12:06abolition? You get on £300,000 purchase for a home up to £500,000.
3:12:06 > 3:12:11It does not look good. You will have to check the details for yourselves.
3:12:11 > 3:12:16Yvonne in London says why haven't benefits been increased? The freeze
3:12:16 > 3:12:21continues. That is a subtext in this Budget not mentioned. The Chancellor
3:12:21 > 3:12:24would say he has done something to help people claiming Universal
3:12:24 > 3:12:29Credit to get the money more quickly. Keep the questions coming
3:12:29 > 3:12:40in to have your say at bbc.co.uk/budget. Jo.Lets talk more
3:12:40 > 3:12:44broadly about cost of living issues. Because of inflation they say will
3:12:44 > 3:12:50peak at 3% and come down next year, but what is the effect on people?We
3:12:50 > 3:12:54have had an economy growing slowly, wages not going up as much as people
3:12:54 > 3:13:01would like. The effect is our money does not going far -- them affected
3:13:01 > 3:13:08our money does not go as far. Our only hope is inflation starts to
3:13:08 > 3:13:11come down. Price increases are not so high over the next couple of
3:13:11 > 3:13:15years. We might feel better off because of that and there is help as
3:13:15 > 3:13:19well in the Budget because of this. The Government is going ahead with
3:13:19 > 3:13:23the increase in personal allowance, the amount you can earn before you
3:13:23 > 3:13:29start paying tax. That is going up to £11,800. A little bit of help
3:13:29 > 3:13:38will hopefully help people along. Simon Gompertz, thank you. That is
3:13:38 > 3:13:41it from us on the factory floor but we will be back with more people to
3:13:41 > 3:13:44talk to with their reaction to the statement. Andrew.Thank you. Let's
3:13:44 > 3:13:47go back to Jane Hill on College Green.
3:13:47 > 3:13:51Thank you. Let's get the views of the TUC and the Institute of
3:13:51 > 3:13:57directors from everything we have heard from Philip Hammond. We can
3:13:57 > 3:14:06welcome the assistant secretary of the TUC and the Institute of
3:14:06 > 3:14:11directors. There is a little bit about nurses pay. What is your take
3:14:11 > 3:14:18on that?One of the key tests was would the Chancellor deliver a pay
3:14:18 > 3:14:20rise for Britain path that workers and the public sector workers. I
3:14:20 > 3:14:23must have missed most of the announcements because he dropped
3:14:23 > 3:14:27some hints about what might happen in the NHS but the reality is what
3:14:27 > 3:14:31we needed was a pay rise for all of Britain's public sector workers who
3:14:31 > 3:14:37have had seven years in real terms pay cuts. Unfortunately, it means
3:14:37 > 3:14:40public sector workers will face another year of falling living
3:14:40 > 3:14:44standards and another hit on their pay packets.There is extra money
3:14:44 > 3:14:50for the NHS. There is an immediate lump sum for winter brochures and a
3:14:50 > 3:14:56big slump in terms of capital expenditure. Is that to be welcomed?
3:14:56 > 3:15:06-- there is a big amount in terms of capital expenditure.I think we need
3:15:06 > 3:15:10to get into the detail. For me we have 4 million hard-working public
3:15:10 > 3:15:13servants who will face another year of falling living standards and that
3:15:13 > 3:15:17is not good enough from the Chancellor. We know public sector
3:15:17 > 3:15:22workers work as part of a team. It does not matter if you are a nurse,
3:15:22 > 3:15:25teacher, a classroom assistant or people supporting elderly people,
3:15:25 > 3:15:37people were expecting a pay rise and the Chancellor has let them down.
3:15:37 > 3:15:42Was talk about devolution positive? It was positive. He mentioned
3:15:42 > 3:15:46Northern Ireland and Scotland and Wales that is good news for members
3:15:46 > 3:15:49that we would like to see more than words, we would like to see whether
3:15:49 > 3:15:55money is spent and what it will do to productivity and growth.In terms
3:15:55 > 3:16:00of productivity and growth, not positive news from the OBR when we
3:16:00 > 3:16:05look into the next few years.The statistics looking forward are
3:16:05 > 3:16:09weaker than the Bank of England declared recently and it is a worry
3:16:09 > 3:16:14because we need improve productivity to catch up with colleagues in the
3:16:14 > 3:16:18G7 and make sure we can create jobs and wealth needed to provide more
3:16:18 > 3:16:24employment.I would echo that but there is a danger the government
3:16:24 > 3:16:28gives with one hand and takes away with another and at the same time
3:16:28 > 3:16:33the Chancellor talks about funding the Northern Powerhouse, in my city,
3:16:33 > 3:16:37Liverpool, it is getting £330 million a year less from government
3:16:37 > 3:16:42than in 2010 and that is not alleviating pressures in public
3:16:42 > 3:16:47services so any investment in public infrastructure is good. We are
3:16:47 > 3:16:52behind the OECD average. Even with the announcement today. Not enough
3:16:52 > 3:16:58to give us the confidence we need going into the Brexit process.Is
3:16:58 > 3:17:04this a budget that makes this country Brexit ready?I would say in
3:17:04 > 3:17:08a short no, because this was an important budget to make big
3:17:08 > 3:17:13announcements of the bold because this is effectively the last budget
3:17:13 > 3:17:18until Brexit day. The next one will be too late to increase business
3:17:18 > 3:17:21confidence and encourage them to go out and invest and implored people
3:17:21 > 3:17:26and there was not enough for business to go out there and
3:17:26 > 3:17:33increase confidence.Business wanted a steady as she goes budget, did
3:17:33 > 3:17:42they get that?By and large, he did not score any own goals and did not
3:17:42 > 3:17:47go backwards in that sense but it did not move enough forward in terms
3:17:47 > 3:17:53of how we tackle challenges of the 21st century, productivity, skills
3:17:53 > 3:17:58gap, training. Not enough detail on that. In housing, £44 billion was
3:17:58 > 3:18:04mentioned but we would be interested to see what that equates to.Steady
3:18:04 > 3:18:09as she goes was not good enough for this budget and the millions we
3:18:09 > 3:18:13represent, for working people and families and communities who see pay
3:18:13 > 3:18:17packets stagnating again. We have had a squeeze on living standards
3:18:17 > 3:18:22the past few years this was not an ambitious budget and did not deliver
3:18:22 > 3:18:30for working people.When we look future figures, every department,
3:18:30 > 3:18:33every minister will be wanting more money for their department and
3:18:33 > 3:18:37everyone would like to see different sectors of the community benefit but
3:18:37 > 3:18:42if the money and productivity is not there, how much room for manoeuvre
3:18:42 > 3:18:50does he have?This is linked. This is why he needed to invest more in
3:18:50 > 3:18:54infrastructure. We estimated the public sector pay cap has sucked
3:18:54 > 3:18:59billions out of the UK economy this year alone. The people we represent
3:18:59 > 3:19:04in schools, hospitals, councils, when they get a pay rise they spend
3:19:04 > 3:19:10it in the local economy, they do not squirrel it in an offshore account
3:19:10 > 3:19:16that money has been sucked out when we needed it.I think the budget, he
3:19:16 > 3:19:20dipped his toe in the water but did not make a big enough splash for
3:19:20 > 3:19:29business.All right. Thank you. Back to you, Andrew.
3:19:29 > 3:19:34We can go through some of the main measures again and get some more
3:19:34 > 3:19:39analysis. The main measures, the headline measure, the popular papers
3:19:39 > 3:19:45will concentrate on, stamp duty abolished for first-time buyers of
3:19:45 > 3:19:52properties up to £300,000, £300,000 is above average outside London and
3:19:52 > 3:19:58the south-east so many may benefit from that. Sellers will also
3:19:58 > 3:20:04benefit. 2.8 billion extra resource funding in NHS England for winter
3:20:04 > 3:20:09and the next two years. Sounds a lot but not what the NHS asked for.
3:20:09 > 3:20:10Quite a bit less.
3:20:10 > 3:20:12but not what the NHS asked for. Quite a bit less. Additional funding
3:20:12 > 3:20:14on top
3:20:14 > 3:20:17Quite a bit less. Additional funding on top of that will be provided when
3:20:17 > 3:20:24a new pay deal is agreed with NHS staff. The pay cap is now dead and
3:20:24 > 3:20:30buried in the NHS and other parts of the public sector. Other main
3:20:30 > 3:20:37measures, the maximum wait for Universal Credit will be reduced to
3:20:37 > 3:20:41five weeks. Changes in the introduction, quite expensive, he
3:20:41 > 3:20:46had to find 1.5 billion to ease the introduction of this welfare
3:20:46 > 3:20:52payment. That is one of the changes he is able to make. He says 300,000
3:20:52 > 3:20:57additional homes in England each year by the mid-2020s and the figure
3:20:57 > 3:21:02is already just over 200,000 that he wants to reach 300,000 by the
3:21:02 > 3:21:08mid-2020s, which might mean it will take a while to get planning changes
3:21:08 > 3:21:13through and it takes awhile to get consent and infrastructure in place.
3:21:13 > 3:21:20The Tories know they are not popular among young people, they have
3:21:20 > 3:21:27extended the Railcard. 26-30. I am sure young people will now be
3:21:27 > 3:21:32flocking to the Tory banner on that, by train, of course! He has frozen
3:21:32 > 3:21:36fuel duty another year and Chancellor is now do that every
3:21:36 > 3:21:42year. It has ceased to be a way of the Treasury raising additional
3:21:42 > 3:21:45revenue. The macro economic picture in which this budget has been drawn
3:21:45 > 3:21:52up is not exciting. In places it is grim. Economic growth downgraded the
3:21:52 > 3:21:57next five years and each year, including this year, at no stage
3:21:57 > 3:22:01does the economy get close to growing at 2% says the OBR, but it
3:22:01 > 3:22:07could be wrong. Borrowing is to fall in each of the next five years but
3:22:07 > 3:22:11it does not follow the same rate the Chancellor contemplated even in
3:22:11 > 3:22:19March, so by 22-23 we will still borrow around 26 billion. The
3:22:19 > 3:22:25government wants us to focus on not this annual deficit, it is not a big
3:22:25 > 3:22:31percentage of GDP, not reaching surplus, it is that our overall
3:22:31 > 3:22:38national debt, the government believes, is peaking and in this
3:22:38 > 3:22:41financial year of 2017-18 and thereafter begins to come down. Not
3:22:41 > 3:22:48in absolute terms. It will probably head towards close to two trillion
3:22:48 > 3:22:52at some stage but as a percentage of the national economy it begins to
3:22:52 > 3:22:56come down and the Treasury thinks it is significant and will keep the
3:22:56 > 3:23:01bond markets happy and it is the bond markets that lend us money to
3:23:01 > 3:23:06pay for all this spending we did not finance by tax. The OBR said there
3:23:06 > 3:23:15would be another 600,000 people in work by 2022.Laura, bless you.
3:23:15 > 3:23:22Thank you. I was sneezing off microphone.The nation heard! I
3:23:22 > 3:23:27bless you.What further political thoughts? As we expected before
3:23:27 > 3:23:33Philip Hammond got up onto his feet that we saw what we were predicting,
3:23:33 > 3:23:38no giant strides that were supposed to reboot the government but
3:23:38 > 3:23:42tiptoeing around potential banana skin is making small steps in terms
3:23:42 > 3:23:48of economic concern and political concern. I think this will not be a
3:23:48 > 3:23:52game changer because it does not seem there are any things that could
3:23:52 > 3:23:56prove to be a total disaster that the Chancellor will have to
3:23:56 > 3:24:02unpicked. Nor does it seem the kind of event that will dramatically
3:24:02 > 3:24:05change the conversation around Westminster, giving the government
3:24:05 > 3:24:09more confidence about their position. That said, from the
3:24:09 > 3:24:14Treasury and other politicians in the government I have been speaking
3:24:14 > 3:24:18to, their aim was not to ruffle feathers and get this through
3:24:18 > 3:24:24safely. I would watch out for grumbles about the stamp duty idea.
3:24:24 > 3:24:29Clearly it will help people who already have property and I
3:24:29 > 3:24:34understand from the figures buried in here it will only in theory fund
3:24:34 > 3:24:41an additional 3000 purchases.Not great shakes.3000, that is it? Not
3:24:41 > 3:24:45great shakes if that was his defining mission Bert 15 billion of
3:24:45 > 3:24:50new money overall over the next few years of a package of measures.It
3:24:50 > 3:24:57is usually at this time in budget specials we find something that they
3:24:57 > 3:25:04result in the budget unravelling. Have we done that?This is where the
3:25:04 > 3:25:10stamp duty policy, there might be rumbles. I do not think we will see
3:25:10 > 3:25:15a grand unravelling. Liz Truss defended it robustly.She knows it
3:25:15 > 3:25:20is popular on the backbenches.It will grab headlines and make the
3:25:20 > 3:25:26Tory party happy in parts. Simon, any unravelling? I am worried about
3:25:26 > 3:25:31business rates. The community calling for that so business rates
3:25:31 > 3:25:36will go up by the lower inflation measure but they said they will
3:25:36 > 3:25:41devalue every three years. That is good but it does not give people an
3:25:41 > 3:25:46incentive to invest to unlock the productivity problem. If I have a
3:25:46 > 3:25:52property and put new plant in, I increase its rateable value and end
3:25:52 > 3:25:56up paying more business rates and there were calls to try to exempt
3:25:56 > 3:26:00any additional investment from that and every three years you could see
3:26:00 > 3:26:09people paying higher business rates sooner.What is interesting, with
3:26:09 > 3:26:14all budgets, of the dogs that did not bark. Nothing around benefits
3:26:14 > 3:26:20beyond the issue of Universal Credit. And nothing about social
3:26:20 > 3:26:24care, which was supposedly alongside housing the big mission of this
3:26:24 > 3:26:30government.It was on that issue that Mrs May effectively lost the
3:26:30 > 3:26:35election.The other issue, which talks to what Simon raised with Liz
3:26:35 > 3:26:40Truss, the idea that if the economy takes further terms for the worse
3:26:40 > 3:26:46and certainly the OBR suggests the Brexit process could be a
3:26:46 > 3:26:53significant adverse economic shock, what Headroom is there left for the
3:26:53 > 3:26:57Chancellor, given he has now expanded the amount he is allowing
3:26:57 > 3:27:01the public finances to borrow over the next five years already, at this
3:27:01 > 3:27:07early stage in this cycle in these tough negotiations and they may be
3:27:07 > 3:27:12more positive than many believe, but if there is a significant possible
3:27:12 > 3:27:18adverse shock as the OBR suggests, has Mr Hammond put all his money
3:27:18 > 3:27:24upfront now, because of the political pressure he faces, but
3:27:24 > 3:27:28actually, in three years, he will be thinking, it is looking there.
3:27:33 > 3:27:41We are going to say goodbye to the BBC News channel now. We continue
3:27:41 > 3:27:46with this Budget Special on BBC Two. The risk of the Chancellor is taking
3:27:46 > 3:27:51is that although the bond markets that provide the borrowing would
3:27:51 > 3:27:56take these deficits changes in its stride, nevertheless, our
3:27:56 > 3:28:03accumulated national debt comes to 88% of GDP. If it starts to fall,
3:28:03 > 3:28:10the bond markets will take comfort. If we were to hit another recession,
3:28:10 > 3:28:17with our national debt at 88% of GDP and the deficit sizeable it is a
3:28:17 > 3:28:23risk.It is and in terms of the length of time this has taken to
3:28:23 > 3:28:31fix, I remember it was a proper nerd memory it was when Alistair Darling
3:28:31 > 3:28:39stood up in the 2009 budget, saying national debt will peak at 89% of
3:28:39 > 3:28:48GDP in 2013. We are so far on from when debt was meant and George
3:28:48 > 3:28:54Osborne's policies forgotten about, even though it was a central mission
3:28:54 > 3:29:00when they came to power in coalition in 2010 and number 11 in terms of
3:29:00 > 3:29:03briefings have been explicit, the new money from housing and
3:29:03 > 3:29:08infrastructure comes from the Headroom, from the 26 billion he
3:29:08 > 3:29:15kept back. It used to be the Treasury would say, OK, we believe
3:29:15 > 3:29:20in number 11 and Brexit might be rough but never fear, because Philip
3:29:20 > 3:29:26Hammond has put aside 26 billion. That is not there. We are not alone.
3:29:26 > 3:29:32France. I need to move on to say we not alone because the European
3:29:32 > 3:29:37Commission has ticked off France and Italy for running deficits bigger
3:29:37 > 3:29:42than promised. Interesting. The US deficit is rising and could rise
3:29:42 > 3:29:53more after Mr Trump's tax reforms. We can go back to Jo in
3:29:53 > 3:29:59Peterborough.
3:29:59 > 3:30:06Yes, hello from a leading manufacturer of trailers for
3:30:06 > 3:30:10lorries. Housing was supposed to be the centrepiece of this Budget and
3:30:10 > 3:30:13perhaps it was, but not as radical as people were expecting. Let's chew
3:30:13 > 3:30:22over some of the things the Chancellor proposed. I'm here with
3:30:22 > 3:30:27Lance Hick. One of the things he announced was a review, rather than
3:30:27 > 3:30:31forced intervention on developers who are hoarding land. Many people
3:30:31 > 3:30:37will say people should be forced to giving up land if they are forced
3:30:37 > 3:30:47the macro sitting on it.The problem is many developers, it can take six
3:30:47 > 3:30:57to eight years to develop planning legislation so they hold land.World
3:30:57 > 3:31:01the threat of a compulsory purchase may people start building on the
3:31:01 > 3:31:06land they have planning permission for?It may help but most companies
3:31:06 > 3:31:10other than the big nationals cannot get the big finance to deliver any
3:31:10 > 3:31:14more. People like me who do about 400 year, we have finance to do a
3:31:14 > 3:31:18bit more but we could not do any more with the financial system we
3:31:18 > 3:31:25had, so only the big top nationals would get the funding. I cannot get
3:31:25 > 3:31:29that funding.Philip Hammond talked about 300,000 new homes the year by
3:31:29 > 3:31:33the mid-20 20s. That seems a long way off when there is a chronic
3:31:33 > 3:31:43housing shortage now. Is it doable? My view would be, it is a noble
3:31:43 > 3:31:46number, it is a necessary number, but because of Brexit and the fact
3:31:46 > 3:31:49that a lot of the EU nationals have gone home and a lot will not be
3:31:49 > 3:31:54coming here, there was a chronic shortage of skilled labour. We will
3:31:54 > 3:31:57implement some of the training initiatives but they will take ten
3:31:57 > 3:32:00years to come through. The problem will be the fact we have left
3:32:00 > 3:32:07Brexit, if there are not EU nationals round, there will be
3:32:07 > 3:32:12massive labour problems where in London construction is 50% down.
3:32:12 > 3:32:17Carl Hick, thank you. Another issue to be addressed was proposals to hit
3:32:17 > 3:32:20millennials because young people felt they were hard hit in the
3:32:20 > 3:32:27election with many in that age bracket backing Labour. Simon
3:32:27 > 3:32:33Gompertz is still on the factory floor.Yes, down here with the
3:32:33 > 3:32:37trucks and vans. For millennials, the big thing was the abolition of
3:32:37 > 3:32:42stamp duty which will benefit the vast majority of home-buyers who are
3:32:42 > 3:32:47first-time buyers. The other thing I noticed, that is the new Railcard
3:32:47 > 3:32:54for the 26 to 30 S macro. Beyond that, not a great deal. That had
3:32:54 > 3:32:59been talk of better treatment in the income taxes. That has not come
3:32:59 > 3:33:04through so I think some will be disappointed. We are getting a lot
3:33:04 > 3:33:08of questions about the abolition of stamp duty for first-time buyers,
3:33:08 > 3:33:12particularly for people who have just bought. Mark Chapman said via
3:33:12 > 3:33:16Twitter, just a thought for all those first-time buyers who
3:33:16 > 3:33:21completed yesterday. Ian Ford says, can my back claim it? Emma from
3:33:21 > 3:33:27Liverpool said we completed our purchase just a month ago after
3:33:27 > 3:33:31years of saving and working extra hours, devastated is not the word.
3:33:31 > 3:33:36Laura Gilroy said we did it last week. Is there anyway we can get
3:33:36 > 3:33:42this money? This is how it works. It is £300,000 which is exempt for
3:33:42 > 3:33:49first-time buyers, that feeds you up to £5,000 and 1600 average and up to
3:33:49 > 3:34:005500. Above 500 you don't get any more and it applies from today,
3:34:00 > 3:34:05sorry about that.The backdrop to this statement and the Chancellor's
3:34:05 > 3:34:11Budget is Brexit. He did announce a £3 billion pot for preparations for
3:34:11 > 3:34:14Brexit. That is a significant increase on what had been talked
3:34:14 > 3:34:20about. We can talk to Leslie Batchelor from the Institute for
3:34:20 > 3:34:26export and international trade. Do you think that is enough?I hope so.
3:34:26 > 3:34:30We have to start talking about border controls and looking at new
3:34:30 > 3:34:33software if we want to look a vehicle recognition plates and we
3:34:33 > 3:34:37will have to think about more lorry parks for where we will store them
3:34:37 > 3:34:43when they are waiting to be cleared through customs so it is a big
3:34:43 > 3:34:48project.What about trade in the future? Are you optimistic about
3:34:48 > 3:34:51that or worried?I am a little worried that we are not preparing
3:34:51 > 3:34:56for it very well. Businesses are not finding out about international
3:34:56 > 3:35:01trade. We are running courses and educational programmes. We want
3:35:01 > 3:35:11people to understand there are a lot of implications.But presumably with
3:35:11 > 3:35:16the downgrading of the pound it has helped?It has indeed but my problem
3:35:16 > 3:35:20is selling an price is a bad thing if you want a sustained market. You
3:35:20 > 3:35:25really have to be selling on quality and value.Lesley Batchelor, thank
3:35:25 > 3:35:31you very much. Back to you, Andrew. Thank you.
3:35:31 > 3:35:35Let's speak to the leader of the Liberal Democrats, Vince Cable. He
3:35:35 > 3:35:40is on College Green. Welcome to the programme. Mr Hammond has loosened
3:35:40 > 3:35:45his belt. He is not going in for extreme deficit reduction cutting
3:35:45 > 3:35:50any more, it looks like he has given up the idea of a surplus. You must
3:35:50 > 3:35:56welcome all of the above?I think all of the above is sensible and we
3:35:56 > 3:35:59have seen the massive constraints he is labouring under, the cost of
3:35:59 > 3:36:04Brexit and the high levels of government debt and above all, the
3:36:04 > 3:36:07slowdown in productivity. I think the key problem in the Budget which
3:36:07 > 3:36:16was not of his constraint -- creation, Brexit limits what he can
3:36:16 > 3:36:23do. There were some sensible things and some less sensible.Is the
3:36:23 > 3:36:28slowdown in your view nearly all Brexit related, or is it as the OBR
3:36:28 > 3:36:32seems to suggest, also to do with our pretty poor record and
3:36:32 > 3:36:36productivity growth in recent years, which the OBR over estimated now
3:36:36 > 3:36:42catching up with us?The productivity issue is very serious.
3:36:42 > 3:36:47It is probably one of the long-term legacies of the financial crisis. We
3:36:47 > 3:36:53have had long periods in which business has not invested and we
3:36:53 > 3:36:57have not had benefit of new technology and skills, but looking
3:36:57 > 3:37:01forwards, Brexit, the uncertainties around it and the impact of that is
3:37:01 > 3:37:05dragging us down. You are right, the underlying problem is the
3:37:05 > 3:37:09productivity problem is very serious. I do welcome some of the
3:37:09 > 3:37:13things in the Budget around the industrial strategy and more funding
3:37:13 > 3:37:16for high-growth industries, that is all good stuff and it is a
3:37:16 > 3:37:19continuation of what I and my colleagues were doing in the
3:37:19 > 3:37:26coalition.You say business has not invested, but annual business
3:37:26 > 3:37:30investment in 2010, as the crash was still overhanging the British
3:37:30 > 3:37:36economy, you will know well, you were in government then, it was £143
3:37:36 > 3:37:40billion of business investment. Last year it was almost £180 billion and
3:37:40 > 3:37:46it rose every year. So business has continued to invest?I think far
3:37:46 > 3:37:50below the level that was needed to get us out of this productivity
3:37:50 > 3:37:55problem. Back in 2010, you will remember the banks were simply not
3:37:55 > 3:38:00lending which is why I helped set up the business bank with my colleagues
3:38:00 > 3:38:05and we had to do a whole lot of emergency things. Whatever business
3:38:05 > 3:38:09investment is taking place is welcomed, but it is not on the scale
3:38:09 > 3:38:12that is necessary. I think the big story underlined in this Budget is
3:38:12 > 3:38:18the slowdown in growth, the uncertainty. The word uncertainty I
3:38:18 > 3:38:21think of code word for Brexit. Nobody knows quite what will happen.
3:38:21 > 3:38:26The effects of this is dragging the economy down in all kinds of
3:38:26 > 3:38:30different ways.Is at the symbolism of the Budget in your view that it
3:38:30 > 3:38:35represents the end of austerity? I know that many people will still
3:38:35 > 3:38:39feel austerity, that is not in doubt. But in terms of the
3:38:39 > 3:38:44Government ever tightening its belt, has that cycle now come to an" Mac I
3:38:44 > 3:38:48don't think it has.If you look at the line in the Budget which relates
3:38:48 > 3:38:56to current spending, not investment, virtually no growth at all and that
3:38:56 > 3:39:02has got to incorporate public sector pay increases. Public sector
3:39:02 > 3:39:07spending, which I think most people -- which I think is what most people
3:39:07 > 3:39:11mean by austerities squeezed. If you took a living standards, the basic
3:39:11 > 3:39:16story is the average individual will be £700 a week worse off at the end
3:39:16 > 3:39:20of this Parliament, compared with the expectations which were in the
3:39:20 > 3:39:26forecast before the election.And we have had wage stagnation for over
3:39:26 > 3:39:33ten years. Real wages are lower than they were in 2007, and it is not
3:39:33 > 3:39:36clear unless I have missed something, that if you look at the
3:39:36 > 3:39:40forecast going forward at the end of the decade, that that wage
3:39:40 > 3:39:45stagnation will come to an" Mac no, it isn't, and it is this combination
3:39:45 > 3:39:50which you quite rightly point out, low levels of productivity, very
3:39:50 > 3:40:04slow levels combined with a slowing economy.There is some relief which
3:40:04 > 3:40:08does provide some relief in terms of take-home pay but wages will
3:40:08 > 3:40:14continue to be squeezed on this forecast.Thank you for joining us
3:40:14 > 3:40:18on this BBC Budget special. The Government is taking a hammering for
3:40:18 > 3:40:24this in the run-up to the Budget, Mr Corbyn raised it several times, his
3:40:24 > 3:40:28own backbenchers, some of them were rebelling on the issue complaining
3:40:28 > 3:40:35he has found £1.5 billion, what has he done with that to ameliorate?He
3:40:35 > 3:40:38has done a variety of different things. One is to get rid of the
3:40:38 > 3:40:43seven-day weight when you first make a claim, the other thing he has done
3:40:43 > 3:40:48his length in the period claims will have to pay back in advance. Part of
3:40:48 > 3:40:52the Universal Credit system if you have no money during the period from
3:40:52 > 3:40:56when you change from one benefit to another, you could ask for an
3:40:56 > 3:40:59advance, basically alone from the Government. Then there was a
3:40:59 > 3:41:13complaint that people did not have long to pay that back. There is a
3:41:13 > 3:41:18mixture of issues which have pacified the Tory rebels. Heidi
3:41:18 > 3:41:32Allen is an outspoken critic and this seems to have gone away. I
3:41:32 > 3:41:37would not be surprised if there were more problems along the line. The
3:41:37 > 3:41:43other thing I would say is you are raising the Vince Cable, the squeeze
3:41:43 > 3:41:51on other bits of government certainly has not disappeared.
3:41:51 > 3:41:56To make room for capital spending they had to continue to squeeze.The
3:41:56 > 3:42:01squeeze on police budgets, local government, squeezes on spending of
3:42:01 > 3:42:06this government that had been set out in previous years have not
3:42:06 > 3:42:10disappeared, just because the Chancellor has eased up a bit on
3:42:10 > 3:42:15what is to come in the next couple of years. Many government
3:42:15 > 3:42:19departments who spend money on the ground around the country still feel
3:42:19 > 3:42:23under massive pressure to be able to deliver the savings they were going
3:42:23 > 3:42:28to have to do. The cuts have not gone away just because Philip
3:42:28 > 3:42:36Hammond made the decision to ease off the squeeze in coming years and
3:42:36 > 3:42:42had he wanted to do something more radical, whatever the bond markets
3:42:42 > 3:42:47might have said about it if he wanted to borrow more money today he
3:42:47 > 3:42:51could've done it. He could have done it, borrowed more and the bond
3:42:51 > 3:42:56markets would take it in their stride.Possibly in the short-term
3:42:56 > 3:43:01but that builds pressure into the system. Debt repayments will go up
3:43:01 > 3:43:09after this budget. They are also already going up because of higher
3:43:09 > 3:43:13inflation and interest rates. Every time the bank of England raises
3:43:13 > 3:43:16interest rates it increases the cost for government debt to service the
3:43:16 > 3:43:20debt so that is a pressure. Although politically he could get away with
3:43:20 > 3:43:27it, I think he is concerned given the possible Brexit cost, not
3:43:27 > 3:43:34increasing the amount of debt servicing costs.Simon, on this
3:43:34 > 3:43:39business investment front, the annual figures look impressive,
3:43:39 > 3:43:47about 10% of GDP, but it is not sparkling in recent years, going
3:43:47 > 3:43:52through the roof at a time of continuous growth. If you are a
3:43:52 > 3:43:57businessman and you think 1.5% growth this year, 1.3 next and the
3:43:57 > 3:44:01year after, that would not encourage you to invest.You would not say
3:44:01 > 3:44:07that is an economy I want exposure to. That is right. The business
3:44:07 > 3:44:11investment story has not been bad over the past couple of months but
3:44:11 > 3:44:15the foreign direct investment in the UK that provides economic growth and
3:44:15 > 3:44:21jobs. And a lot of productivity, they are the most productive
3:44:21 > 3:44:25investors, the foreign investments, that has fallen off a bit of a cliff
3:44:25 > 3:44:30in the last six months which is Brexit related. What people were
3:44:30 > 3:44:35looking to having to do today, can you inoculate business against
3:44:35 > 3:44:41Brexiteers? The answer is no. Did he mess up? No, he missed banana skins
3:44:41 > 3:44:53of VAT. Like you say we cannot over estimate and the Economist cannot
3:44:53 > 3:44:56over emphasise the productivity problem which is acute, worse in
3:44:56 > 3:45:02this country than others and we have put in money and we have 23 billion,
3:45:02 > 3:45:0731 billion investment fund. On these numbers, you are going to chuck that
3:45:07 > 3:45:10money and hope something happens. Let's go back on the ground to
3:45:10 > 3:45:17Peterborough.
3:45:17 > 3:45:23Lets get some reaction to the downgrading of the growth forecast.
3:45:23 > 3:45:28The company I am with talk earlier about wanting to boost productivity.
3:45:28 > 3:45:33We will talk to Jonathan Todd and from Opportunity Peterborough we
3:45:33 > 3:45:50will talk to Steve Beria. Was there anything in the Budget which said
3:45:50 > 3:45:54you liked?We were disappointed. There was nothing which will give us
3:45:54 > 3:45:59confidence which will help us boost productivity in this factory. Help
3:45:59 > 3:46:06us pay people more and bring more prosperity to people of
3:46:06 > 3:46:15Peterborough?What is your opinion on the forecast, what will it did
3:46:15 > 3:46:18your business long-term?I personally think you have to play
3:46:18 > 3:46:23what you have in front of you. We will have to take more business off
3:46:23 > 3:46:27competitors. We will have to struggle as best we can to become
3:46:27 > 3:46:32more efficient, to price efficiently and make sure we have the best
3:46:32 > 3:46:43product offered in the marketplace. What will you be investing with?We
3:46:43 > 3:46:52will be using some of the money the Chancellor highlighted for the
3:46:52 > 3:46:56services in the city. The big focus was around skills as well. We have
3:46:56 > 3:47:02to think about productivity and how we develop skills around that. The
3:47:02 > 3:47:05retraining was important and the apprenticeship levy. There were
3:47:05 > 3:47:10hints in the speech which we want to explore further.What about
3:47:10 > 3:47:13infrastructure? One of the issues raised was about better
3:47:13 > 3:47:17connectivity. Better transport links will help boost companies around
3:47:17 > 3:47:24this region?That is right. It is connectivity and Peterborough which
3:47:24 > 3:47:30drives investment into this area. We heard the comments around Oxford,
3:47:30 > 3:47:33Milton Keynes and Cambridge. We need to see how this infrastructure
3:47:33 > 3:47:38funding can be pulled up in places in Peterborough. Those economies
3:47:38 > 3:47:43need a boost from that. I share the concerns about the clear message and
3:47:43 > 3:47:47commitment. The growth figures are concerning but let's talk about how
3:47:47 > 3:47:52we can exploit it better.If you're going to take business away from
3:47:52 > 3:47:55foreign competitors, the growth rates in many EU countries are
3:47:55 > 3:48:02higher than ours?The one thing we have is the exchange rate has
3:48:02 > 3:48:06deteriorated significantly which makes it more expensive for foreign
3:48:06 > 3:48:09competitors to attack our marketplace. On the flip side,
3:48:09 > 3:48:13components we bring in from Europe have become more expensive. We would
3:48:13 > 3:48:16personally like to have seen measures which have given us the
3:48:16 > 3:48:19confidence to invest in capital equipment to bring more
3:48:19 > 3:48:25manufacturing back to the UK. Gentlemen, thank you. Let's go to
3:48:25 > 3:48:28our personal finance expert Simon gone. He is down on the factory
3:48:28 > 3:48:35floor. Bring us up to date with Universal Credit?
3:48:35 > 3:48:40A lot of questions about how it will work. Two big changes to deal with
3:48:40 > 3:48:46those delays of six weeks or more people experience and are causing 70
3:48:46 > 3:48:51problems of the first, it was seven days between applying and becoming
3:48:51 > 3:48:55eligible, you will be eligible from the date of applying which counts
3:48:55 > 3:48:59out one week of the waiting and secondly you will be able to apply
3:48:59 > 3:49:04for emergency money, the first month, upfront and will be able to
3:49:04 > 3:49:09do that within the first five days so two elements of help. The
3:49:09 > 3:49:15question is who will get the emergency money and will there be
3:49:15 > 3:49:18problems delivering it? We can talk about diesel because we are among
3:49:18 > 3:49:23the trucks and vehicles in Peterborough and Jo on Twitter says
3:49:23 > 3:49:29why is the levy on diesel vehicles only applying to cars? It is
3:49:29 > 3:49:32politically and business-wise a problem because the Chancellor does
3:49:32 > 3:49:36not want to clobber business by saying if you get a new diesel
3:49:36 > 3:49:43vehicle you will pay more in the first year. That is the reason.
3:49:43 > 3:49:47Thank you, Simon. Labour called for a pause, not just a reduction in the
3:49:47 > 3:49:53waiting time with Universal Credit. Back to Andrew. Thanks. In the
3:49:53 > 3:49:56Westminster studio we are joined by Labour Shadow Chancellor John
3:49:56 > 3:50:05McDonnell. He has loosened his belt, going for slower deficit reduction,
3:50:05 > 3:50:09increasing spending, found money for Universal Credit, nurses' pay, and
3:50:09 > 3:50:14various other things. You must be happy with the direction of the
3:50:14 > 3:50:20budget?Not really. The scale is nowhere near matching the lead.
3:50:20 > 3:50:28Universal Credit, for every pound he puts in he has taken off £10. NHS,
3:50:28 > 3:50:33less than half of what was asked for by Simon Stevens, a three-year
3:50:33 > 3:50:38programme. It is more but I do not think it will meet demand. Simon
3:50:38 > 3:50:44Stevens said we could have a waiting list of 5 million if we do not get
3:50:44 > 3:50:48the 4 billion needed and he got nowhere near that. Education,
3:50:48 > 3:50:55nothing. Another area I have raised, local authorities are talking about
3:50:55 > 3:50:59vulnerable children and a £2 billion gap. Children brought into care,
3:50:59 > 3:51:06nothing on that. It is a no change budget.Would you have gone for
3:51:06 > 3:51:15slower deficit reduction or none at all?In our fiscal rule we look to
3:51:15 > 3:51:20eliminate the deficit but I would have stopped giving away to the
3:51:20 > 3:51:25rich, corporation tax, bankers' levy and invest in public services. That
3:51:25 > 3:51:29would have given us 76 billion.The government has cut corporation tax
3:51:29 > 3:51:34and gained a 25% increase in revenue.You confuse correlation
3:51:34 > 3:51:38with causation. The increase comes because we have growth in the
3:51:38 > 3:51:43economy, as a result of some investment. Not as a result of
3:51:43 > 3:51:48corporation tax cuts. What is needed is a fairer tax system so we can
3:51:48 > 3:51:53afford public services and we have not seen that today.How much do we
3:51:53 > 3:51:59spend now on paying the interest on national debt?A lot. I will send
3:51:59 > 3:52:04you a note on the figure. You don't know? I know the figure but do not
3:52:04 > 3:52:09have it in front of me.At the moment, 46 billion.It has gone
3:52:09 > 3:52:15down. It has gone up.It went down previously. I assure you, it is
3:52:15 > 3:52:19going up. If you did not know the figure you do not know if it has
3:52:19 > 3:52:29gone up or down.I can remember the trend. It is as was said when you
3:52:29 > 3:52:33have a desperate need for housing and interest rates are low you
3:52:33 > 3:52:37borrow and when you borrow to invest you get the return because it will
3:52:37 > 3:52:42be matched in terms of the multiplier effect.We spend more on
3:52:42 > 3:52:45interest, the British taxpayer, just on servicing the interest payments
3:52:45 > 3:52:52than we do on defence, and on transport. You would add to that
3:52:52 > 3:52:56with your policies and it would be more than 50 billion.The current
3:52:56 > 3:53:06Chancellor increase the debt by about and if we had grown the
3:53:06 > 3:53:10economy we would be able to afford the public services we have got and
3:53:10 > 3:53:15we would not have the productivity crisis.We have a national debt of
3:53:15 > 3:53:20over 1.7 trillion. Your plan is to add to it and you are going to
3:53:20 > 3:53:30borrow. Another 250 billion for infrastructure fund. 25 billion a
3:53:30 > 3:53:34year extra, borrow for nationalisation, tens of billions.
3:53:34 > 3:53:41And you would borrow for PFI.We would swap bonds for shares and you
3:53:41 > 3:53:46bring in a profitable industry that's how you paper that.The
3:53:46 > 3:53:50industries you want to nationalise you say are profitable because they
3:53:50 > 3:53:54are ripping off the customer.We would ensure a proper rate of return
3:53:54 > 3:54:00to the state of reducing prices. Like in the water industry, if you
3:54:00 > 3:54:04are not shelling out share profits and dividends.How do you ensure
3:54:04 > 3:54:08profitability that gives enough for the nation to get a return and to
3:54:08 > 3:54:14cut prices for consumers?East Coast line was brought back into public
3:54:14 > 3:54:19ownership and contributed a billion into the Treasury.The head of East
3:54:19 > 3:54:23Coast said the way they did that was stopping investment.Instead of
3:54:23 > 3:54:29giving a billion to the Treasury in cash, you use it to invest.Their
3:54:29 > 3:54:35ticket prices went up a lot in that period. You want to do both things.
3:54:35 > 3:54:41You said you can do them at the same time.If you manage it effectively,
3:54:41 > 3:54:45you could use some to reduce prices of the Somme for investment.You
3:54:45 > 3:54:53would not have had that much and you are going to borrow billions more.
3:54:53 > 3:54:59Why? Because a billion is not much if you cut prices.I am saying it
3:54:59 > 3:55:06would have been used to cut prices and invest.You are going to borrow
3:55:06 > 3:55:10billions to nationalise.We are going to bring an asset back to
3:55:10 > 3:55:14public ownership, which is neutral, you borrow to nationalise but the
3:55:14 > 3:55:21servicing of the debt is paid for because you have a profitable
3:55:21 > 3:55:24industry.That is a question of whether you can run anything at a
3:55:24 > 3:55:31profit.Every time a rail system franchise has gone and it's come
3:55:31 > 3:55:37back into public ownership it has been managed effectively.How much
3:55:37 > 3:55:41profit did British rail make?That is the problem with British rail, it
3:55:41 > 3:55:45was not invested in. There was an analysis of British rail and it was
3:55:45 > 3:55:50probably one of the most efficient services in Europe based on the
3:55:50 > 3:55:54money invested.You said at the weekend Paris had done it with the
3:55:54 > 3:56:00water supply. The mayor of Paris. How much did Paris raising bonds?I
3:56:00 > 3:56:05have not looked at the detail. I gave it as an example and I was
3:56:05 > 3:56:11saying other countries are looking at this.The Parisians have done
3:56:11 > 3:56:20this but they have raised no bonds. I did not use Paris and is -- as an
3:56:20 > 3:56:27example, I said it is where it is happening.You did in 2010. It turns
3:56:27 > 3:56:31out they raised no bombs.I said Paris was an example of it
3:56:31 > 3:56:38happening. I said we would ease shares for bonds, not that model,
3:56:38 > 3:56:42previously done in nationalisation is.Do you think one of the biggest
3:56:42 > 3:56:47challenges is productivity and to do that we need to attract investment?
3:56:47 > 3:56:50What signal does it send, a nationalisation programme when you
3:56:50 > 3:56:56need private investment?What you also need is the state to invest
3:56:56 > 3:57:00because that gives an opportunity for private investors to match it.
3:57:00 > 3:57:05What about something else? We have set out a programme in the
3:57:05 > 3:57:10manifesto. The interesting thing, when I am talking to asset managers
3:57:10 > 3:57:13and others they come to us because they want the certainty of a
3:57:13 > 3:57:19government that will invest in the long-term. Which ones? I have said
3:57:19 > 3:57:25this in confidence to them. I am not going to name them. It is like
3:57:25 > 3:57:30Philip Hammond meeting business leaders...You cannot tell us a
3:57:30 > 3:57:34single major asset manager you have met?I have said to them it will be
3:57:34 > 3:57:38a confidential discussion and I respect Chatham House rules. Philip
3:57:38 > 3:57:46Hammond tried to do it at Tory party conference. They have given us
3:57:46 > 3:57:52advice and assistance throughout. It is possible to check.Do you doubt
3:57:52 > 3:57:56my honesty? I would like to know the asset managers. Are you doubting my
3:57:56 > 3:58:04honesty? I would like you to provide the evidence.I have told you. It is
3:58:04 > 3:58:07unusual for asset managers to appreciate the fact the value of
3:58:07 > 3:58:14their assets will be determined by Parliament.No, what they are
3:58:14 > 3:58:19saying, including asset managers in the pension fund field and across,
3:58:19 > 3:58:25they want stable government that will invest in infrastructure. 250
3:58:25 > 3:58:28billion, a 10-year programme, is not untoward and is what past
3:58:28 > 3:58:33governments have done. That is why we have a productivity crisis,
3:58:33 > 3:58:38because this government has failed to invest for seven years.John
3:58:38 > 3:58:42McDonnell, we have run out of time but I look forward to coming back to
3:58:42 > 3:58:49that discussion. That is the end of the Budget Special. Goodbye.
3:58:49 > 3:58:51Goodbye.