0:00:19 > 0:00:24Hello and welcome. Tonight, how good is your local school?
0:00:24 > 0:00:29From tomorrow, secondary schools are to be graded, but is that fair?
0:00:29 > 0:00:31In our final programme of the year,
0:00:31 > 0:00:34we take a look back at an eventful political year.
0:00:34 > 0:00:37We are joined by Rhys Williams of Labour,
0:00:37 > 0:00:40Nerys Evans of Plaid Cymru,
0:00:40 > 0:00:44and Harri Lloyd Davies of the Conservatives. Welcome to you all.
0:00:44 > 0:00:47Here's a question, do you think the ability to compare
0:00:47 > 0:00:51your child's school with others will improve the education available?
0:00:51 > 0:00:54That is what the Welsh Government is hoping.
0:00:54 > 0:00:59Tomorrow, all high schools in Wales will be separated into five bands.
0:00:59 > 0:01:02For the schools at the bottom, extra help will be made available.
0:01:02 > 0:01:06Well this improve standards or simply cause embarrassment?
0:01:06 > 0:01:08Here's Arwyn Jones.
0:01:18 > 0:01:24There have been substantial changes to Welsh education over the years.
0:01:25 > 0:01:29There are also big differences between England and Wales,
0:01:29 > 0:01:33of course, especially in the way we compare schools.
0:01:33 > 0:01:36In England they have league tables,
0:01:36 > 0:01:42where they can compare schools on the basis of their exam results.
0:01:42 > 0:01:46The Welsh Government decided not to adopt a similar system,
0:01:46 > 0:01:49and that schools did not need to be compared.
0:01:49 > 0:01:53That is all about to change.
0:01:53 > 0:01:57The Government is about to place all high schools in Wales in bands
0:01:57 > 0:02:00ranging between one and five.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02It will be based on exam results,
0:02:02 > 0:02:06but also the number of children receiving free school meals
0:02:06 > 0:02:09and the levels of attendance.
0:02:09 > 0:02:12We think banding will lead to schools being branded.
0:02:12 > 0:02:17From tomorrow onwards, when we have these five bands,
0:02:17 > 0:02:22I think the schools in the highest bands will be celebrating.
0:02:22 > 0:02:24That is probably a good thing.
0:02:24 > 0:02:29Unfortunately there will also be schools in the lower bands.
0:02:29 > 0:02:33The purpose of banding is not to encourage competition,
0:02:33 > 0:02:37the purpose is to raise standards.
0:02:37 > 0:02:41To raise standards and to provide a fair comparison.
0:02:41 > 0:02:45We want to compare schools that are truly similar,
0:02:45 > 0:02:48that's not how things stand at the moment.
0:02:48 > 0:02:50Hand in hand with banding
0:02:50 > 0:02:53is the hope is that more resources and support
0:02:53 > 0:02:57will be made available through four consortiums.
0:02:57 > 0:03:01The structure to provide the support will not be available
0:03:01 > 0:03:05until next year, nine months after the bands are announced.
0:03:05 > 0:03:08Tomorrow the schools will hear
0:03:08 > 0:03:11which band they have been placed in under the new system.
0:03:11 > 0:03:15What is less obvious is what financial support
0:03:15 > 0:03:18will be made available to them following the banding.
0:03:19 > 0:03:24I think it will undermine schools to a large degree.
0:03:24 > 0:03:26There is no point banding schools,
0:03:26 > 0:03:29saying, "This is band one, this is band two,"
0:03:29 > 0:03:33unless you do something useful with that information.
0:03:33 > 0:03:35That's especially if you feel, as we do,
0:03:35 > 0:03:38that it is not a full illustration in the first place.
0:03:38 > 0:03:41The Welsh Government told us
0:03:41 > 0:03:46that even though the consortiums won't begin until September 2012,
0:03:46 > 0:03:50each region has plans in place to offer support
0:03:50 > 0:03:53once the bands have been announced.
0:03:53 > 0:03:58Over the decades, the goal to offer a better education hasn't changed,
0:03:58 > 0:04:00but for the first time in years,
0:04:00 > 0:04:03there is disagreement over how that should be achieved.
0:04:08 > 0:04:12Rhys Williams, you're a Labour man
0:04:12 > 0:04:14and also a former NUT officer,
0:04:14 > 0:04:17do you think this is a step backwards?
0:04:17 > 0:04:22No, I do share the concerns of Geraint Davies and Anna Brychan
0:04:22 > 0:04:26but on the other hand, Leighton Andrews has emphasised
0:04:26 > 0:04:30that his goal is not to name and shame schools.
0:04:33 > 0:04:36The big task facing education is how to share best practice.
0:04:39 > 0:04:44We know that there are schools achieving great things,
0:04:44 > 0:04:48but that is too often confined to the classroom.
0:04:48 > 0:04:54When you see teachers go to events to listen to experts orate,
0:04:57 > 0:05:01they'll often say that there wasn't much content to the speeches
0:05:01 > 0:05:06and that the best information was gleaned during lunches
0:05:06 > 0:05:12as they shared information with teachers from other schools.
0:05:12 > 0:05:16But these bands will be made public and if you are a parent
0:05:16 > 0:05:18in an area with a local school in band five
0:05:18 > 0:05:20and another in band three,
0:05:20 > 0:05:24you are going to try to send your child to the school in band three.
0:05:24 > 0:05:28It will be very difficult for the school in band five.
0:05:28 > 0:05:31They won't be able to attract the best pupils.
0:05:31 > 0:05:35I think you are seeing it from that point of view to start with.
0:05:35 > 0:05:40I would hope that they will look at how to raise the standard
0:05:40 > 0:05:44of the school from band three to band five.
0:05:44 > 0:05:47If poverty is part of the problem,
0:05:47 > 0:05:51how can one school overcome that and the another school can't?
0:05:53 > 0:05:57We must share best practice,
0:05:57 > 0:05:59which already exists, between schools,
0:05:59 > 0:06:02That is something we need to do
0:06:02 > 0:06:06and that is something we have failed to do over the generations.
0:06:06 > 0:06:08Do you think this will be different to league tables
0:06:08 > 0:06:10that were available in the past?
0:06:10 > 0:06:14This data that has been collected is quite different.
0:06:14 > 0:06:17Will that mean that it can avoid stigmatisation?
0:06:17 > 0:06:20It will still lead to comparisons, of course.
0:06:20 > 0:06:24That's an inevitable consequence of releasing such data.
0:06:24 > 0:06:26Plaid Cymru said before the election this year,
0:06:26 > 0:06:29that we needed to share more data and information with parents.
0:06:29 > 0:06:33We want parents to feel more of a sense of a duty
0:06:33 > 0:06:35so that head teachers can feel as though
0:06:35 > 0:06:39they can share information with parents and prospective parents.
0:06:39 > 0:06:43What's the point of doing this unless extra resources
0:06:43 > 0:06:47will go into the schools at the bottom of the pile?
0:06:47 > 0:06:50The danger is that there is no additional money
0:06:50 > 0:06:56to be directed towards these schools in band four or five.
0:06:56 > 0:06:58If they get these resources,
0:06:58 > 0:07:01those resources are dependent on the number of pupils.
0:07:01 > 0:07:03But if they lose pupils
0:07:03 > 0:07:07because they have a bad reputation as a result of this banding,
0:07:07 > 0:07:09it makes no difference.
0:07:09 > 0:07:13The money will be directed towards other schools.
0:07:13 > 0:07:16We need to put this in a wider strategy and framework.
0:07:16 > 0:07:19We need a mechanism in place to share best practice.
0:07:19 > 0:07:21According to Estyn's report,
0:07:21 > 0:07:24there is no incentive for schools to share expertise.
0:07:24 > 0:07:28They want to show off the fact they are excelling.
0:07:28 > 0:07:30We need a structure within our local authorities
0:07:30 > 0:07:33so there's an incentive for this information to be shared
0:07:33 > 0:07:35and education standards are improved.
0:07:35 > 0:07:39Maybe these regional consortia will help share information.
0:07:39 > 0:07:42At the end of the day, improving educational standards
0:07:42 > 0:07:45should be the aim of these policies.
0:07:45 > 0:07:48The Education Minister himself wants to raise standards.
0:07:48 > 0:07:51He has made this clear. Is this the way to do it?
0:07:51 > 0:07:55Bearing in mind where Wales stands in the Pisa report and so on,
0:07:55 > 0:07:57where international comparisons are made.
0:07:57 > 0:08:01I think this is the problem at the root of education in Wales.
0:08:01 > 0:08:05We need to understand what we can do to turn this around.
0:08:05 > 0:08:10After deciding to scrap league tables 10 years ago,
0:08:10 > 0:08:15Wales has not compared favourably to other European countries.
0:08:15 > 0:08:18League tables aren't the only reason for that,
0:08:18 > 0:08:21but it's an important step in the right direction.
0:08:21 > 0:08:25Scrapping them was a bad move and this is a step towards that.
0:08:25 > 0:08:27I know they say it's nothing to do with it,
0:08:27 > 0:08:31but banding is the same kind of thing.
0:08:31 > 0:08:37The problem is that nobody quite understands how banding works.
0:08:37 > 0:08:39I was going to say, if you are a parent,
0:08:39 > 0:08:43you can understand what proportion of pupils get what GCSE grades,
0:08:43 > 0:08:47but this is quite a complex formula.
0:08:47 > 0:08:49And that's the problem with banding.
0:08:49 > 0:08:53We should just make the data available to parents
0:08:53 > 0:08:55and let them decide what's important.
0:08:55 > 0:08:58But the Government is trying to be fair, that is what it would argue.
0:08:58 > 0:09:00It's trying to consider other factors, Nerys,
0:09:00 > 0:09:04including the number of students receiving free meals and so on.
0:09:04 > 0:09:08One head teacher has said that he could go up a band
0:09:08 > 0:09:13by attracting more pupils who receive free school meals.
0:09:13 > 0:09:16That's nothing to do with the education.
0:09:16 > 0:09:18But if he gets more in, he'll go up a band.
0:09:18 > 0:09:22A lot of this data is already publicly available.
0:09:22 > 0:09:24Anyone can gather it together.
0:09:24 > 0:09:27The context of free school meals
0:09:27 > 0:09:29will be the additional piece of information
0:09:29 > 0:09:31that will be announced tomorrow.
0:09:31 > 0:09:35But we need to examine the purpose of this.
0:09:35 > 0:09:37If resources are already scarce,
0:09:37 > 0:09:40we need to make sure best practice is shared
0:09:40 > 0:09:44and resources are targeted towards where they are most needed.
0:09:44 > 0:09:47Teachers' expertise is most important.
0:09:47 > 0:09:51Take literacy, is that a mechanical process,
0:09:51 > 0:09:57or is it about a teacher encouraging a child to enjoy reading?
0:09:59 > 0:10:03Enjoyment is the key to reading.
0:10:05 > 0:10:09I think we also need to look at head teachers' accountability,
0:10:09 > 0:10:12to make sure teachers and leaders within the school
0:10:12 > 0:10:14feel responsible for raising standards
0:10:14 > 0:10:17and to include them so they feel accountable.
0:10:19 > 0:10:23Leighton Andrews won the Politician of the Year award yesterday.
0:10:23 > 0:10:27There are reforms of universities and schools
0:10:27 > 0:10:29going on left, right and centre.
0:10:29 > 0:10:34Do you think this department is in danger of making mistakes?
0:10:34 > 0:10:37Perhaps they are rushing into things
0:10:37 > 0:10:42because he's a politician who is eager to make a difference?
0:10:42 > 0:10:45It was interesting that Leighton won it, to be honest.
0:10:45 > 0:10:49He is trying to do a lot of things at the same time.
0:10:49 > 0:10:52Some would say he's the only politician trying to do anything.
0:10:52 > 0:10:55The problem is that it might be another five years
0:10:55 > 0:10:58before we know how it will end up.
0:10:58 > 0:11:02It might be that he is trying to do everything at the same time
0:11:02 > 0:11:05and it might work out better if he took it one project at a time
0:11:05 > 0:11:07to make sure it's a success.
0:11:07 > 0:11:13He's trying to reform every part of the education sector.
0:11:13 > 0:11:17That is the problem, maybe he doesn't see each bit through.
0:11:17 > 0:11:21Thanks. Now there's a chance to look back at the political year.
0:11:21 > 0:11:26In March, Wales voted in favour of extending the Assembly's powers.
0:11:26 > 0:11:28By May, Labour were back in charge,
0:11:28 > 0:11:34but financial insecurity has dominated the agenda.
0:11:34 > 0:11:40Here are two experts to share their thoughts on the political year.
0:11:45 > 0:11:48Without a doubt, the referendum result
0:11:48 > 0:11:53is the big political story of 2011.
0:11:53 > 0:11:57The constitutional changes in question
0:11:57 > 0:12:00were not enough in themselves to deserve a referendum,
0:12:00 > 0:12:03but the fact it was unnecessary
0:12:03 > 0:12:07doesn't mean that the result was not important, it was important.
0:12:07 > 0:12:11There have been great changes since the referendum
0:12:11 > 0:12:14and there are more still to come
0:12:14 > 0:12:17in terms of taxation and legislative powers.
0:12:17 > 0:12:19These are things that people said wouldn't happen
0:12:19 > 0:12:23before the referendum was held but are now happening.
0:12:28 > 0:12:31The election was a phenomenal success
0:12:31 > 0:12:34for the Welsh Labour Party, to be honest.
0:12:34 > 0:12:37It was also successful for the Conservatives.
0:12:37 > 0:12:40It was a certainly a disappointing election for Plaid Cymru
0:12:40 > 0:12:44after the end of their first term in office.
0:12:44 > 0:12:49The Liberal Democrats miraculously escaped unscathed from the election.
0:12:49 > 0:12:54With yourselves, we want to make sure that we deliver for Wales.
0:12:54 > 0:12:56The events of 2012
0:12:56 > 0:13:02strengthened Carwyn Jones' position to a large degree.
0:13:05 > 0:13:09He took the reins in the referendum campaign
0:13:09 > 0:13:13and I think he struck a chord with many interested parties in Wales.
0:13:13 > 0:13:16It resounded throughout the population.
0:13:16 > 0:13:22He also fronted a very successful election campaign in May.
0:13:25 > 0:13:28The most important thing for me by a long way
0:13:28 > 0:13:33has been the events in Europe concerning the euro
0:13:33 > 0:13:39and the European economy, as well as the economy here and in America.
0:13:41 > 0:13:47These events will change the world as we've known it since WWII.
0:13:52 > 0:13:56I think the challenges facing Plaid Cymru are significant.
0:13:56 > 0:14:01There is a cross-party wave of support for the referendum
0:14:01 > 0:14:08and constitutional changes which means Welsh politics have changed.
0:14:08 > 0:14:12This context leads us to question the role of Plaid Cymru.
0:14:12 > 0:14:16I think perhaps Plaid Cymru has moved too far to the left.
0:14:16 > 0:14:21I know many people who are Tory
0:14:21 > 0:14:25but have been voting Plaid Cymru for many years.
0:14:25 > 0:14:31They're not happy that Plaid Cymru has become so left-wing.
0:14:31 > 0:14:36It's difficult for Plaid Cymru to please everyone,
0:14:36 > 0:14:40to gather supporters ranging from the political left and right.
0:14:40 > 0:14:43It is difficult.
0:14:45 > 0:14:49Harry Lloyd Davies, let's start with the economy.
0:14:49 > 0:14:55After such a troubled year, as European leaders meet in Brussels,
0:14:55 > 0:14:58do you think we are at a turning point?
0:14:58 > 0:15:03I'd like to say so but I think next year will be very difficult as well.
0:15:03 > 0:15:07Everything we're looking at will become very difficult.
0:15:07 > 0:15:09We do not know how long this will take.
0:15:09 > 0:15:14By the end of next year I think we will start to see things
0:15:14 > 0:15:19return to the way they were and a successful future.
0:15:19 > 0:15:24It's hard at the moment and it will be hard for another year.
0:15:24 > 0:15:27Looking back at the efforts to save the euro,
0:15:27 > 0:15:32how would you describe Merkozy's efforts?
0:15:32 > 0:15:35Well, it has to work.
0:15:35 > 0:15:38Nobody in the eurozone wants to see it fail.
0:15:38 > 0:15:41I think they'll come up with a deal.
0:15:41 > 0:15:44I don't know why it has taken so much time.
0:15:44 > 0:15:47It's unfortunate but I don't think we have seen enough leadership
0:15:47 > 0:15:53shown from any political figure in Europe, not just the Merkozys.
0:15:54 > 0:15:56It is going to be very important.
0:15:56 > 0:16:00Once we sort the euro out, we can start looking to the future.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03That's the biggest problem facing us at the moment.
0:16:03 > 0:16:08Looking at the state of the economy, it's 18 months since the election.
0:16:08 > 0:16:10Aren't you surprised that, looking at the polls,
0:16:10 > 0:16:14you can see you are only two or three percentage points ahead,
0:16:14 > 0:16:15when you look back at Thatcher's days,
0:16:15 > 0:16:19Neil Kinnock was in front of the Conservatives by as much as 20%,
0:16:19 > 0:16:21and he still lost the election.
0:16:21 > 0:16:23He didn't win in the end.
0:16:23 > 0:16:25You're not doing as well as you should be.
0:16:25 > 0:16:28Something strange has happened to the country,
0:16:28 > 0:16:30it has become a bit of a macho competition
0:16:30 > 0:16:35over who can make the deepest cuts the soonest.
0:16:35 > 0:16:39And the Tories at the moment are making the most of it.
0:16:39 > 0:16:44George Osborne is like some character out of Dickens.
0:16:44 > 0:16:50He is trying to make our skin crawl.
0:16:50 > 0:16:54The truth is that we need to plan for the future
0:16:54 > 0:16:57and we need to look to economic growth.
0:16:57 > 0:17:02I think the Tories have cut too deep too soon.
0:17:02 > 0:17:04You are on message, as they say.
0:17:04 > 0:17:08In truth, isn't it right that you've got the wrong leader,
0:17:08 > 0:17:11and that's the reason you have not gained ground?
0:17:11 > 0:17:13I do not think so.
0:17:13 > 0:17:17Speaking of leadership, I saw it said on the television,
0:17:17 > 0:17:23and I though that the unspoken truth is that the SNP have Alex Salmond
0:17:23 > 0:17:26and that is what Plaid Cymru lacks.
0:17:26 > 0:17:30He has made a big impact.
0:17:30 > 0:17:33We will come to leadership in a moment, Nerys,
0:17:33 > 0:17:36but looking back on the referendum,
0:17:36 > 0:17:40which was a great success for you, what went wrong in the election?
0:17:40 > 0:17:44If you look back on the year, the referendum was the big push for us.
0:17:44 > 0:17:49That's what party members supported when we went into Government.
0:17:49 > 0:17:53It was a poor election for us and it was an interesting time for me
0:17:53 > 0:17:56in Carmarthenshire West,
0:17:56 > 0:18:00but I think we didn't focus on what we achieved in government.
0:18:00 > 0:18:04Our tactics just didn't strike a chord with people.
0:18:04 > 0:18:07Perhaps you need to redefine
0:18:07 > 0:18:11the purpose of Plaid Cymru after the referendum.
0:18:11 > 0:18:14Certainly, but there was not much time between the referendum
0:18:14 > 0:18:16and the Assembly elections.
0:18:16 > 0:18:18It was new ground for us for us, being in power.
0:18:18 > 0:18:24All Welsh counties apart from one voted in favour of further powers.
0:18:24 > 0:18:27This is new political ground and we need to respond to that.
0:18:27 > 0:18:30That's why we are conducting an internal review
0:18:30 > 0:18:32which will report back before the end of the year
0:18:32 > 0:18:35and we need to move on and respond to it.
0:18:35 > 0:18:40Harri, you campaigned in favour of further Assembly powers.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43In a way it made no difference
0:18:43 > 0:18:46because now we've got this silk commission, as some call it.
0:18:46 > 0:18:49Rhys mentioned Alex Salmond and the developments in Scotland.
0:18:49 > 0:18:52Someone here told me very openly,
0:18:52 > 0:18:55"Before long we might need to talk about
0:18:55 > 0:18:58"what this country will be called and what its flag will be."
0:18:58 > 0:19:02The future of the kingdom is under discussion.
0:19:02 > 0:19:04The constitutional question hasn't disappeared.
0:19:04 > 0:19:06No, and I don't think it will ever disappear.
0:19:06 > 0:19:10There is always another step you can take towards independence.
0:19:10 > 0:19:13Many people, including myself, have had enough
0:19:13 > 0:19:16and would like to see the Assembly simply make use of its new powers
0:19:16 > 0:19:18and start to improve the situation in Wales.
0:19:18 > 0:19:21The talk about independence will never go away
0:19:21 > 0:19:23and we need to keep discussing it
0:19:23 > 0:19:27until we have tax-raising powers and so on.
0:19:27 > 0:19:29I think we'll get it one day,
0:19:29 > 0:19:33but until then, it will still be a talking point.
0:19:33 > 0:19:36It's an important subject as you look for a new leader,
0:19:36 > 0:19:38what we be looking for?
0:19:38 > 0:19:42Someone like Elin Jones, who trumpets the cause of independence,
0:19:42 > 0:19:45or will it be a campaign about bread and butter issues,
0:19:45 > 0:19:48such as education, health and the economy?
0:19:50 > 0:19:53What about redefining the party?
0:19:53 > 0:19:57We need both. I think we need to look at delivering on policy
0:19:57 > 0:20:00in terms of now, delivering on the economy,
0:20:00 > 0:20:03as we have seen from Ieuan's leadership over recent months,
0:20:03 > 0:20:06but we also need to find that vision.
0:20:06 > 0:20:10Elin Jones has shown what our vision is.
0:20:10 > 0:20:12You support Elin Jones?
0:20:12 > 0:20:16Yes, and I am hoping that she will win. She has a clear vision.
0:20:16 > 0:20:21One thing our members have told us is they are keen to see our vision.
0:20:21 > 0:20:24We are not controlling Wales every day
0:20:24 > 0:20:27but are thinking of the long-term and how we respond to Scotland
0:20:27 > 0:20:31and co-operate with the SNP as we've done so in the last few months.
0:20:31 > 0:20:34- Elin Jones does that. - Is she the Welsh Alex Salmond?
0:20:34 > 0:20:37The two countries are different.
0:20:37 > 0:20:40The parties are different and their needs are different.
0:20:40 > 0:20:43Elin has a vision to take us to the next step.
0:20:43 > 0:20:46Nerys used the word vision.
0:20:46 > 0:20:52Labour had a successful election by protecting Wales.
0:20:52 > 0:20:56But has this government got a vision for this country
0:20:56 > 0:21:01apart from protecting us from the Tories and the horrid Liberals?
0:21:01 > 0:21:07Yes because I think that Labour is the party for the whole of Wales.
0:21:07 > 0:21:10It was interesting listening to Rod Richards.
0:21:10 > 0:21:14He was talking about Plaid Cymru
0:21:14 > 0:21:18and suggesting that they were everything for everyone.
0:21:18 > 0:21:20That's the challenge.
0:21:20 > 0:21:25Labour has said that Plaid Cymru is everything for everyone.
0:21:25 > 0:21:32In North Wales, they are Tories and in the south, they are socialists.
0:21:32 > 0:21:36The question was about Labour's vision not Plaid Cymru.
0:21:36 > 0:21:41Yes, but we want equality in Wales.
0:21:41 > 0:21:46We want to raise the standard of living, the standard of education
0:21:46 > 0:21:49and raise the standard of health.
0:21:49 > 0:21:53- Which hasn't worked for the past ten years!- You have had a new leader.
0:21:53 > 0:21:58We are looking forward to RT Davies. Has he created an impression?
0:21:58 > 0:22:01It's very early.
0:22:01 > 0:22:05I don't think he's had a chance to make an impression
0:22:05 > 0:22:07but it will happen in the next year.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10He has had an affect.
0:22:10 > 0:22:14After the election, it takes two or three months to decide.
0:22:14 > 0:22:20I don't think the Assembly has had a lot of attention
0:22:20 > 0:22:23in the past six months.
0:22:23 > 0:22:26This means that Andrew hasn't had much time.
0:22:26 > 0:22:29He has been around Wales for a long time.
0:22:29 > 0:22:32He has been listening to people.
0:22:32 > 0:22:36How has the party changed since the days of Nick Bourne?
0:22:36 > 0:22:40I don't think it has changed.
0:22:40 > 0:22:43Andrew is listening to what we want out of the party.
0:22:43 > 0:22:45It's nice to know he doesn't run off
0:22:45 > 0:22:49and start ruling in a different way.
0:22:49 > 0:22:54He wants to know what we want and I'm glad of that.
0:22:54 > 0:22:59Rhys and Nerys, are you scared of Andrew RT
0:22:59 > 0:23:02or are you thinking, great!
0:23:02 > 0:23:06It's a completely different direction to Nick Bourne.
0:23:06 > 0:23:11He tried to make the party more Welsh and fair play to him.
0:23:11 > 0:23:15He made a good job.
0:23:15 > 0:23:18Andrew RT is British
0:23:18 > 0:23:21and I can see the Britishness is coming out in the chamber.
0:23:25 > 0:23:31I agree with you there. Andrew is traditional. He's entertaining.
0:23:31 > 0:23:36We had a very good election but we still didn't get a majority.
0:23:36 > 0:23:41We have to find something in the future where we can have a majority.
0:23:41 > 0:23:46Andrew RT Davies sold a turkey to a Labour cabinet member.
0:23:50 > 0:23:53That will come out soon! Thank you very much.
0:23:53 > 0:23:56That's it for another week and another year.
0:23:56 > 0:24:01We will be back mid January with all the gossip in the political world.
0:24:01 > 0:24:04Until then, a Happy New Year and a Happy Christmas to you.
0:24:04 > 0:24:07- Goodbye. - Goodbye.