0:00:20 > 0:00:24Good evening. Welcome to half an hour of discussion in the Senedd.
0:00:24 > 0:00:27Tonight, happy birthday to Cymdeithas yr Iaith,
0:00:27 > 0:00:30but at 50 years of age, does it need to change its priorities?
0:00:30 > 0:00:32And the new captain is at the helm,
0:00:32 > 0:00:36but what sort of journey will it be for S4C?
0:00:36 > 0:00:40If you want to join in, use Twitter # CF99.
0:00:40 > 0:00:43Joining us tonight are two Assembly Members, Suzy Davies
0:00:43 > 0:00:48from the Conservatives and Rhodri Glyn Thomas from Plaid Cymru.
0:00:48 > 0:00:52And Bethan Williams the chair of Cymdeithas yr Iaith.
0:00:54 > 0:00:58Cymdeithas yr Iaith is celebrating its 50th birthday this year.
0:00:58 > 0:01:02Since the society was established in 1962,
0:01:02 > 0:01:05the status of the language has grown significantly.
0:01:05 > 0:01:10Welsh is an official language seen on road signs and forms
0:01:10 > 0:01:13and Welsh-medium education continues to grow.
0:01:13 > 0:01:18Elliw Gwawr asks what the role of the society has become.
0:01:18 > 0:01:27"Tynged yr Iaith" - Saunders Lewis.
0:01:27 > 0:01:31In his speech on the future of the language in 1962,
0:01:31 > 0:01:35Saunders Lewis created a very bleak image
0:01:35 > 0:01:40of the future of the Welsh language was created.
0:01:40 > 0:01:42Following the flooding of Tryweryn,
0:01:42 > 0:01:47there was concern among some Plaid Cymru members
0:01:47 > 0:01:50that the current system wasn't a success.
0:01:50 > 0:01:55His revolutionary message inspired the creation of Cymdeithas yr Iaith.
0:01:59 > 0:02:03One of the society's first protests took place on this bridge,
0:02:03 > 0:02:09but 50 years later, are those methods of campaigning as effective?
0:02:11 > 0:02:15Over the years, the peaceful protests have been a key aspect
0:02:15 > 0:02:19of the Cymdeithas yr Iaith campaign.
0:02:19 > 0:02:24They have led to a new Welsh language signs
0:02:24 > 0:02:27A Welsh language Bill and a Welsh language channel.
0:02:27 > 0:02:30Protesting and giving people a chance to get involved
0:02:30 > 0:02:34is vital to Cymdeithas yr Iaith.
0:02:34 > 0:02:39We can't see young people being inspired to fight
0:02:39 > 0:02:43for the Welsh language by just contributing money to the cause.
0:02:43 > 0:02:47If we want to nurture a new generation of campaigners,
0:02:47 > 0:02:51who will ensure the Welsh language goes from strength to strength
0:02:51 > 0:02:57they have to be part of a new generation of campaigners.
0:02:57 > 0:03:01Are there lessons to be learnt from other language organisations
0:03:01 > 0:03:04in other countries, like Catalonia?
0:03:04 > 0:03:10They were very aware of the importance of strength in numbers.
0:03:10 > 0:03:16They used a lot of images.
0:03:16 > 0:03:21They created an image to promote public awareness of the language.
0:03:21 > 0:03:25There wasn't much use of direct campaigning,
0:03:25 > 0:03:31But some within the society say that Saunders Lewis' message
0:03:31 > 0:03:33still reverberates today.
0:03:33 > 0:03:37The challenge is that we face a situation
0:03:37 > 0:03:41where many concession have been won in terms of status.
0:03:41 > 0:03:45Welsh has official status for the first time.
0:03:45 > 0:03:50But we will see in the consensus figures
0:03:50 > 0:03:54a fall in the number of Welsh language communities.
0:03:54 > 0:04:00We will see it getting weaker as a social language.
0:04:01 > 0:04:05As Cymdeithas yr Iaith celebrates its 50th birthday,
0:04:05 > 0:04:09is the revolution over or is the future of the language
0:04:09 > 0:04:12still at stake?
0:04:15 > 0:04:20As a child who remembers the speech as a child.
0:04:20 > 0:04:25The comparison between 1962 and now is incredible, isn't it?
0:04:25 > 0:04:29We live in a different world in terms of the language.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31Completely different.
0:04:32 > 0:04:38At that time, we thought the Welsh language was going to die.
0:04:38 > 0:04:41The situation of the language was so fragile.
0:04:41 > 0:04:45Within the context of minority languages in Europe,
0:04:45 > 0:04:48Welsh is not that strong.
0:04:48 > 0:04:52When we looked back at the sixties, we thought the Welsh language
0:04:52 > 0:04:58could disappear as a language that was used every day.
0:04:58 > 0:05:01We still face a number of challenges,
0:05:01 > 0:05:05but they are completely different to the ones that existed in those days.
0:05:05 > 0:05:08One thing that doesn't exist any more is the public
0:05:08 > 0:05:12and open criticism of the language.
0:05:12 > 0:05:17That kind of criticism, especially by public bodies
0:05:17 > 0:05:20is no longer acceptable.
0:05:20 > 0:05:25Welsh has been accepted, but there is a danger in that.
0:05:25 > 0:05:29Fortunately, there is goodwill towards the language.
0:05:29 > 0:05:34We need to channel that to ensure the survival of the language
0:05:34 > 0:05:38to get it towards Welsh medium education and Welsh language media
0:05:38 > 0:05:42and build on what's happening with S4C.
0:05:42 > 0:05:47We need it to be a language that is alive
0:05:47 > 0:05:52and people use it in their daily lives.
0:05:52 > 0:05:56Bethan Williams, that footage was from before you were born.
0:05:56 > 0:06:01Are protests and campaigns still at the heart of the society?
0:06:01 > 0:06:07It is an organisation that has evolved over the years?
0:06:07 > 0:06:12The organisation has evolved over the years
0:06:12 > 0:06:17and I wouldn't disagree with Rhodri Glyn Thomas.
0:06:17 > 0:06:22The video referred to the census figures.
0:06:22 > 0:06:25We are not an organisation that stands still.
0:06:25 > 0:06:28We had foreseen a fall, so, last year,
0:06:28 > 0:06:30we launched and broadcast a lecture,
0:06:30 > 0:06:34which acknowledges that the last 50 years of campaigning
0:06:34 > 0:06:39has meant that we are now in a situation
0:06:39 > 0:06:43where we no longer need to ask whether the language has a future,
0:06:43 > 0:06:46but what sort of future it will have.
0:06:46 > 0:06:50But should Cymdeithas yr Iaith cosy up to the institution?
0:06:50 > 0:06:56You don't seem to be lobbying Westminster any more?
0:06:56 > 0:06:59What we have here is an Anglicised system.
0:06:59 > 0:07:03We don't want to be part of the English system.
0:07:03 > 0:07:08We have always been an organisation that is on the outside and lobbies.
0:07:08 > 0:07:11We have stuck to that vision.
0:07:11 > 0:07:15If Welsh is going to flourish, things have got to change.
0:07:15 > 0:07:21That includes institutions that have been moved from London to Wales.
0:07:21 > 0:07:26Suzy, what do you make of this? As a party you have changed.
0:07:26 > 0:07:32People would say that the public sector has changed.
0:07:33 > 0:07:38Is there an element that the Society is missing a trick here?
0:07:38 > 0:07:41They are banging on doors where those doors are open.
0:07:41 > 0:07:45There is still a place for Cymdeithas yr Iaith,
0:07:45 > 0:07:49but it depends how they move forward.
0:07:49 > 0:07:53Having listened to Bethan Williams, there seems to be a change
0:07:53 > 0:07:58of focus on the way forward and the way they are going to campaign.
0:07:58 > 0:08:01They are going to concentrate on communities
0:08:01 > 0:08:03and be apart from everyone else.
0:08:03 > 0:08:07But this worries me. To safeguard the language,
0:08:07 > 0:08:10she doesn't have to stay at arm's length.
0:08:10 > 0:08:14I don't think that is necessarily a good thing.
0:08:14 > 0:08:18Rhodri Glyn Thomas, you have been on both sides of the fence,
0:08:18 > 0:08:22you were on one of those protests, walking from Bangor to Cardiff,
0:08:22 > 0:08:27but you have also been a minister meeting with Cymdeithas yr Iaith.
0:08:27 > 0:08:33Looking at it as a minister, what would your advice be for the future?
0:08:36 > 0:08:41I don't think it is my place to advise Cymdeithas yr Iaith.
0:08:41 > 0:08:44People have got to realise you need to transfer it
0:08:44 > 0:08:47from one generation to the next.
0:08:47 > 0:08:51The worst thing is when people go through these experiences,
0:08:51 > 0:08:55trying to tell people in the younger generation what to do.
0:08:55 > 0:08:59But do they get your attention?
0:08:59 > 0:09:05Yes, and I would never oppose direct action.
0:09:05 > 0:09:07People have to accept those results.
0:09:07 > 0:09:10That is what happened when I was protesting.
0:09:10 > 0:09:13That is what still happens.
0:09:13 > 0:09:18I think that is very important, but there has been a change.
0:09:18 > 0:09:20Devolution has happened.
0:09:20 > 0:09:24A situation has exists where Plaid Cymru
0:09:24 > 0:09:27has been part of the Welsh Government.
0:09:27 > 0:09:29I am not sure during that time,
0:09:29 > 0:09:33whether Cymdeithas yr Iaith managed to deal with that change
0:09:33 > 0:09:35where they were working with ministers,
0:09:35 > 0:09:40who had the same belief as them.
0:09:40 > 0:09:43And there is a difference between a situation
0:09:43 > 0:09:47where there were a Welsh Secretary and questions over the mandate.
0:09:47 > 0:09:52The mandate came from the UK Government level,
0:09:52 > 0:09:56but you are now dealing with a Government that has been elected
0:09:56 > 0:09:58by the people of Wales.
0:09:58 > 0:10:03At the end of the day, that Government has a mandate to govern
0:10:03 > 0:10:07and no group has the right to say whatever your mandate is
0:10:07 > 0:10:09you have to do this or that.
0:10:09 > 0:10:13That's democracy, of course, and that's why I'm worried
0:10:13 > 0:10:15about what the Society is saying at the moment.
0:10:15 > 0:10:18Going back to 'Language, Housing and Work'.
0:10:18 > 0:10:22In a way, it's an old fashioned message.
0:10:22 > 0:10:27The way of campaigning has changed, you talked about Twitter earlier.
0:10:27 > 0:10:31and people have to be clear about what exactly you're aiming for.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34The point you're making there,
0:10:34 > 0:10:39that we haven't got to grips with devolution, I would argue with that.
0:10:39 > 0:10:42You could argue that the Welsh Language Society
0:10:42 > 0:10:45is one of the only organisations within Welsh society
0:10:45 > 0:10:47that has got to grips with it.
0:10:47 > 0:10:49We got the language measure on the legislative programme.
0:10:49 > 0:10:53We came up with a draft measure, a measure with clear policies
0:10:53 > 0:10:56and one that was completely workable.
0:10:56 > 0:10:59We did that through lobbying.
0:10:59 > 0:11:04But can I raise one point that Menna Machreth suggested there,
0:11:04 > 0:11:09that you need the protests to recruit the next generation.
0:11:09 > 0:11:13That's what attracts people to the organisation
0:11:13 > 0:11:16and if you became too respectable, and you'd get old,
0:11:16 > 0:11:19and Bethan Williams would still be the Society's chairperson
0:11:19 > 0:11:22even though she's the same age as me, or even Rhodri Glyn.
0:11:22 > 0:11:25That's part of the appeal for young people
0:11:25 > 0:11:28who want to join the organisation but that's because
0:11:28 > 0:11:31they want to make a difference and see that difference.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34Lobbying, in all honesty, you write the odd letter
0:11:34 > 0:11:37and get a response, but that doesn't inspire people.
0:11:37 > 0:11:40It doesn't excite people. It doesn't interest people.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43They don't see the difference they're making.
0:11:43 > 0:11:45By being part of campaigns and protests,
0:11:45 > 0:11:48by seeing that difference in front of their eyes,
0:11:48 > 0:11:50that's when they're inspired to keep going.
0:11:50 > 0:11:53Although it's young people that we attract,
0:11:53 > 0:11:55a lot of people stay with us
0:11:55 > 0:11:58and they gain confidence and experience and they develop.
0:11:58 > 0:12:01- Are you still a member, Rhodri? - Yes, I'm still a member.
0:12:01 > 0:12:06Unlike Suzy, I think 'Language, Housing and Work'
0:12:06 > 0:12:09was the best strapline the Welsh Language Society ever had.
0:12:09 > 0:12:12I think that's extremely important.
0:12:12 > 0:12:15When you link language, housing and work,
0:12:15 > 0:12:18and communities, those are the most important things.
0:12:18 > 0:12:23Thank you. The new S4C boss, Ian Jones, is facing quite a challenge.
0:12:23 > 0:12:28He's been on deck for a week now and he takes over
0:12:28 > 0:12:33after one of the most difficult periods in the channel's history.
0:12:33 > 0:12:34I talked to him this morning
0:12:34 > 0:12:41and asked him if he felt there was a need to reconnect with the audience.
0:12:41 > 0:12:44A lot of research has been conducted during the last year
0:12:44 > 0:12:49and that's the basis of the new schedule
0:12:49 > 0:12:51that will be published on March 1st.
0:12:51 > 0:12:56It's the vision for 2012. The timetable will change.
0:12:56 > 0:12:59A lot of new and exciting things will appear
0:12:59 > 0:13:03and there will be some old favourites there.
0:13:03 > 0:13:06But for me, we have to do more research.
0:13:06 > 0:13:12I'm in discussions at the moment with the Assembly
0:13:12 > 0:13:15to look into doing some joint research
0:13:15 > 0:13:21on the requirements of Welsh speakers now and in the future.
0:13:21 > 0:13:25How do you see the relationship between S4C and BBC Wales developing?
0:13:25 > 0:13:28There are possible savings that can be made
0:13:28 > 0:13:32but some people are concerned about S4C's independency.
0:13:32 > 0:13:35I'm looking forward to holding discussions with the BBC
0:13:35 > 0:13:38to see how we can cooperate.
0:13:38 > 0:13:40We could share resources,
0:13:40 > 0:13:43and I think in the current economic climate,
0:13:43 > 0:13:46that would be a wise thing to do.
0:13:46 > 0:13:48With regard to the frustrations of the viewers,
0:13:48 > 0:13:53does that mean it might be possible to access
0:13:53 > 0:13:56the internet's Welsh content, for example, in one place
0:13:56 > 0:14:00instead of having to back and forth between the BBC and S4C websites?
0:14:00 > 0:14:03Things that are frustrating for people at home.
0:14:03 > 0:14:07I think we should look at everything.
0:14:07 > 0:14:09We should look at sharing resources.
0:14:09 > 0:14:14- Sharing a building? - I think we should look into that.
0:14:14 > 0:14:19Erm, I don't know what the BBC's plans are locally,
0:14:19 > 0:14:23but there's a very good centre which has opened in the Bay.
0:14:23 > 0:14:27I've agreed with the Controller of BBC Wales
0:14:27 > 0:14:32to look at a feasibility study
0:14:32 > 0:14:37to see whether it makes sense for us to look into sharing resources.
0:14:37 > 0:14:41Does it make sense to be located in the same place in the future?
0:14:41 > 0:14:45Every option is on the table at the moment.
0:14:45 > 0:14:48You talk about working with the BBC,
0:14:48 > 0:14:51the other body chief executives have had problems working with
0:14:51 > 0:14:53is the S4C Authority.
0:14:53 > 0:14:56Are you confident that is going to be a healthy relationship?
0:14:56 > 0:15:02I have had a long chat with every member of the Authority
0:15:02 > 0:15:05since I started seven days ago.
0:15:05 > 0:15:08I've had a very positive response from all of them.
0:15:08 > 0:15:11I've been given support by all of them.
0:15:11 > 0:15:16They have been great during the first week and a half.
0:15:16 > 0:15:22I've been employed to work with the internal staff,
0:15:22 > 0:15:27the independent producers, the shareholders, the BBC,
0:15:27 > 0:15:33to help take S4C into the next exciting chapter in its history.
0:15:33 > 0:15:38I was a member of the team which launched S4C 29 years ago.
0:15:38 > 0:15:43I remember the first night as if it was yesterday.
0:15:43 > 0:15:45A group of us stayed in the kitchen at Sophia Close
0:15:45 > 0:15:48to watch Owen Edwards walking down the stairs
0:15:48 > 0:15:53and introducing the new channel for the first time.
0:15:53 > 0:15:57And so, almost 30 years later,
0:15:57 > 0:16:00S4C is still here.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03We're producing good programmes, we have strong talent,
0:16:03 > 0:16:05internally and externally,
0:16:05 > 0:16:09and I think it's very important that we are open,
0:16:09 > 0:16:13that we work with everybody, internally and externally,
0:16:13 > 0:16:16and that we communicate well.
0:16:16 > 0:16:22But we need to have the confidence and ambition to try new things
0:16:22 > 0:16:24and to be forthright in the way we do that.
0:16:24 > 0:16:27Ian Jones speaking earlier.
0:16:27 > 0:16:31Bethan Williams, he says every option is on the table.
0:16:31 > 0:16:35More cooperation with the BBC, possibly sharing a building.
0:16:35 > 0:16:39Is the independence of the channel safe in his hands?
0:16:39 > 0:16:43I welcome the fact they have appointed someone,
0:16:43 > 0:16:46but one thing I would say to Ian Jones
0:16:46 > 0:16:50is that they need to show more backbone and spirit
0:16:50 > 0:16:54in relation to the BBC than they did during the S4C campaign.
0:16:54 > 0:16:58The BBC will contribute a lot of the funding towards S4C
0:16:58 > 0:17:03and the mindset that the BBC is taking over S4C is still a concern.
0:17:03 > 0:17:04But he's new blood.
0:17:04 > 0:17:10He made a point in the interview that he's looking to the future.
0:17:10 > 0:17:15He doesn't have the baggage of the mess that was left.
0:17:15 > 0:17:16And that's a good thing.
0:17:16 > 0:17:20In terms of what he said about working with the BBC, are you happy?
0:17:20 > 0:17:23We've said from the start that it's a concern
0:17:23 > 0:17:26that the BBC will contribute so much money to S4C.
0:17:26 > 0:17:30They have undermined our campaign to save S4C
0:17:30 > 0:17:32by agreeing to that deal.
0:17:32 > 0:17:37But, as he said, this is a new start and we hope they'll do that.
0:17:37 > 0:17:41One of the other things we are still calling for
0:17:41 > 0:17:46is to devolve powers over S4C and media and broadcasting in general.
0:17:46 > 0:17:51I would urge Ian Jones to join us in the campaign
0:17:51 > 0:17:54for the devolution of those powers to Wales.
0:17:54 > 0:17:59Suzy Davies, we have discussed the independence of S4C,
0:17:59 > 0:18:03but, as a viewer, doesn't it make sense for Radio Cymru,
0:18:03 > 0:18:05for example, to work with S4C?
0:18:05 > 0:18:10You don't see many adverts for Radio Cymru on S4C and vice-versa.
0:18:10 > 0:18:13That's common sense, isn't it,
0:18:13 > 0:18:17if we can safeguard the independence of S4C at the same time?
0:18:17 > 0:18:19We're all keeping an eye on that.
0:18:19 > 0:18:24As Bethan has said, it has been a cause for concern for many of us,
0:18:24 > 0:18:26but there is also a practical issue.
0:18:26 > 0:18:28They have to work together
0:18:28 > 0:18:31and they have both said they want to work together.
0:18:31 > 0:18:35Ian Jones talked about cooperation because it's the only way forward.
0:18:35 > 0:18:40It gives S4C a future, so S4C saved itself by agreeing to it.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43But people would say that the track record of the BBC
0:18:43 > 0:18:48in terms of what has happened to English-language services in Wales
0:18:48 > 0:18:53and Radio Cymru, the BBC can't pretend it's been fully behind
0:18:53 > 0:18:56Welsh-language broadcasting over the last 20 years.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59That's why it was important to have S4C.
0:18:59 > 0:19:05The channel has an opportunity to ask others to contribute,
0:19:05 > 0:19:07so it's a matter of plurality.
0:19:07 > 0:19:09Rhodri Glyn Thomas,
0:19:09 > 0:19:13you've called on every member of the Authority to resign.
0:19:13 > 0:19:16Here comes a breath of fresh air,
0:19:16 > 0:19:20a new boss saying he's met them all and everything's fine.
0:19:20 > 0:19:24- Where do you stand on that? - Well, he would say that
0:19:24 > 0:19:27but I think it would have been a very good thing.
0:19:27 > 0:19:31We have a relatively new chairman, a new chief executive
0:19:31 > 0:19:36and it would have been good if the Authority resigned.
0:19:36 > 0:19:38If people feel they have a contribution to make
0:19:38 > 0:19:42they can stand again, but it's a new start.
0:19:42 > 0:19:44I think we need a new start.
0:19:44 > 0:19:46What Bethan said is true.
0:19:46 > 0:19:49We've been through a very difficult time with S4C
0:19:49 > 0:19:52and we've got to move forward.
0:19:52 > 0:19:57Having a new Authority would be a breath of fresh air
0:19:57 > 0:20:01and would move S4C forwards.
0:20:01 > 0:20:04As a former Minister,
0:20:04 > 0:20:06would you fear for the independence of S4C
0:20:06 > 0:20:11if they shared a building with the BBC?
0:20:11 > 0:20:15I think we've got to accept that the BBC and S4C
0:20:15 > 0:20:17have got to work together,
0:20:17 > 0:20:23but we need to ensure that S4C retains editorial independence.
0:20:23 > 0:20:27The channel also needs the freedom to continue.
0:20:27 > 0:20:31We need to safeguard the independent sector,
0:20:31 > 0:20:35not only the sector itself, but for the benefit of creative industries
0:20:35 > 0:20:38which are very important to the economy of Wales.
0:20:38 > 0:20:41If we move to a situation where BBC decides
0:20:41 > 0:20:44the easiest and cheapest way to do things
0:20:44 > 0:20:47is to do everything internally within the BBC,
0:20:47 > 0:20:49that would damage the Welsh economy.
0:20:49 > 0:20:52We have to protect against that.
0:20:52 > 0:20:55But we all knew that media evolves.
0:20:55 > 0:20:59Even Cymdeithas Yr Iaith is launching its own video channel.
0:20:59 > 0:21:03We don't know what the technology will be.
0:21:03 > 0:21:06We don't know whether we will be discussing television channels
0:21:06 > 0:21:07in five years' time.
0:21:07 > 0:21:12We may only be discussing content accessed in different ways.
0:21:12 > 0:21:16That's right and S4C needs to be part of that.
0:21:16 > 0:21:20Just as S4C was responding to the demand
0:21:20 > 0:21:22for a Welsh-language television channel,
0:21:22 > 0:21:26people are now demanding modern, online content.
0:21:26 > 0:21:28S4C needs to respond to that.
0:21:28 > 0:21:32What about the Welsh language on S4C?
0:21:32 > 0:21:37We've heard criticism that the Welsh on S4C is too complicated.
0:21:37 > 0:21:39- Too formal.- Too formal.
0:21:39 > 0:21:45Does the nature of the language need to change?
0:21:45 > 0:21:49S4C needs to return to its roots
0:21:49 > 0:21:53of being a completely Welsh-language organisation.
0:21:53 > 0:21:55We've raised this with Huw Jones
0:21:55 > 0:21:59after hearing that S4C send notes to Assembly Members in English.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02That's not acceptable.
0:22:02 > 0:22:06S4C needs to be a Welsh-language organisation
0:22:06 > 0:22:11and needs to ensure that Welsh is the main language of the channel.
0:22:11 > 0:22:14Suzy, what do you think about the language that's used?
0:22:14 > 0:22:16I tend to agree with Ian.
0:22:16 > 0:22:19I know people, particularly in South Wales,
0:22:19 > 0:22:25who occasionally find it difficult to understand Newyddion, perhaps,
0:22:25 > 0:22:28and feel it's not their Welsh that's being heard.
0:22:28 > 0:22:31I don't think I agree with that.
0:22:31 > 0:22:35As someone who watches S4C, I hear accents from all over Wales,
0:22:35 > 0:22:38including Mid Wales and that is a good thing.
0:22:38 > 0:22:43For people who aren't fluent and are learning Welsh,
0:22:43 > 0:22:45that's the challenge for the channel.
0:22:45 > 0:22:49I have enjoyed the adverts about Denzil from Pobol Y Cwm
0:22:49 > 0:22:52which have been on BBC, for example.
0:22:52 > 0:22:56That is just one way of attracting people to the channel.
0:22:56 > 0:23:03I'm not sure how often Denzil has to die on S4C,
0:23:03 > 0:23:05but I agree with Suzy.
0:23:05 > 0:23:08This is nonsense about Welsh.
0:23:08 > 0:23:12What about the English we hear on the BBC
0:23:12 > 0:23:15and all the accents they have.
0:23:15 > 0:23:20Welsh, like every other language is a natural language.
0:23:20 > 0:23:23This idea that people don't understand the accent
0:23:23 > 0:23:28in the north or the south, that is an old fashioned view.
0:23:28 > 0:23:30It's about communicating in a natural way.
0:23:30 > 0:23:34And someone once said, no-one would blame the English
0:23:34 > 0:23:37if they didn't know what the International Monetary Fund did.
0:23:37 > 0:23:41But they'd blame the Welsh for not understanding "Cronfa Rhyngwladol".
0:23:41 > 0:23:45Lord Rees said, "What's the English word for entrepreneur?"
0:23:45 > 0:23:50Right, thank you for your Twitter messages tonight.
0:23:50 > 0:23:54Hywel says, "An interesting chat comparing the 1960s to today."
0:23:54 > 0:23:56And a message from MarshallMedia,
0:23:56 > 0:24:02"I rejoined Cymdeithas Yr Iaith last year after a break of 20 years."
0:24:02 > 0:24:07And on S4C, Lleu says, "Leaving the past in the past
0:24:07 > 0:24:10"is going to be very important to Ian Jones' success."
0:24:10 > 0:24:14- Thank you very much. See you next week.- Goodbye.
0:24:14 > 0:24:14.