0:00:21 > 0:00:25Good evening and welcome to the Senedd for half-an-hour of politicking.
0:00:25 > 0:00:29As the Liberal Democrats prepare for their spring conference,
0:00:29 > 0:00:34we'll put their policies and hopes for the May elections under the microscope.
0:00:34 > 0:00:41And, a year after the referendum, have politicians shown vision in using the Assembly's new powers.
0:00:41 > 0:00:44And if you want to join in with the discussion,
0:00:44 > 0:00:48you're welcome to do so on Twitter - #CF99.
0:00:48 > 0:00:52On tonight's programme we're joined by Myrddin Edwards from the Liberal Democrats,
0:00:52 > 0:00:54Harri Lloyd Davies from the Conservatives,
0:00:54 > 0:00:58and, in our Westminster studio, the Labour MP Nia Griffith.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00- Welcome to the programme. - Yes, welcome.
0:01:00 > 0:01:06Well, it's a leap year, and I wonder whether Nick Clegg would voluntarily
0:01:06 > 0:01:09get down on one knee and propose to David Cameron,
0:01:09 > 0:01:13knowing the cost of their relationship to his party so far?
0:01:13 > 0:01:17I'm sure many within the party in Wales would encourage him not to.
0:01:17 > 0:01:21Campaigning on the doorstep in the local elections over the next few weeks,
0:01:21 > 0:01:26will members of the party here promote the coalition in Westminster
0:01:26 > 0:01:30or will the party pay the price for their marriage with the Tories?
0:01:30 > 0:01:32Here's Elliw Gwawr.
0:01:32 > 0:01:34ROCK MUSIC
0:01:43 > 0:01:47Historically, this is the strength of the Liberal Democrats.
0:01:47 > 0:01:52An army of campaigners walking the street and knocking doors.
0:01:52 > 0:01:55Four years ago, the hard work paid off.
0:01:55 > 0:02:01They secured more seats on councils across Wales than any other party.
0:02:01 > 0:02:06One of the strength of the Liberal Democrats over the last 40 years,
0:02:06 > 0:02:10and everyone acknowledges this, is the fact that we work hard
0:02:10 > 0:02:14throughout the year on the doorstep in our communities.
0:02:14 > 0:02:16People know exactly what they'll get from us.
0:02:16 > 0:02:21But they won't win these elections through campaigning alone.
0:02:21 > 0:02:24The opinion polls are consistently between 6%-8%.
0:02:24 > 0:02:29It looks as though the Liberal Democrats will be defending seats this time
0:02:29 > 0:02:32rather than challenging for more.
0:02:32 > 0:02:36They are in power... or lead three local authorities
0:02:36 > 0:02:41and their record has been relatively successful in those local authorities.
0:02:41 > 0:02:47But, naturally, many people will be criticising their record in Westminster.
0:02:47 > 0:02:52And as the unpopular cuts start to bite for the first time,
0:02:52 > 0:02:56there will be a temptation for people in Wales to strike a protest vote.
0:02:56 > 0:02:59So there will be a challenge for the leadership
0:02:59 > 0:03:02to persuade voters that they're relevant.
0:03:02 > 0:03:07The Liberal Democrats will hope to give their candidate a boost
0:03:07 > 0:03:10in the local elections as they meet here,
0:03:10 > 0:03:15at the Holland House hotel in Cardiff this weekend, for their spring conference.
0:03:15 > 0:03:19Nick Clegg and Kirsty Williams will emphasise in their speeches
0:03:19 > 0:03:23that they are making a difference at the three levels of government.
0:03:23 > 0:03:29It's true that the party has realised many policy promises in Westminster
0:03:29 > 0:03:33but they have also had to accept a programme of strict austerity cuts.
0:03:33 > 0:03:38At a British level, it has been a difficult job.
0:03:38 > 0:03:43We're trying to say what our principles are as a party.
0:03:43 > 0:03:45We will be talking about tax thresholds -
0:03:45 > 0:03:49the fact that we are trying to influence the Chancellor
0:03:49 > 0:03:53to encourage him to increase the tax threshold to £10,000 a year.
0:03:53 > 0:03:57What we are trying to say is that money is short,
0:03:57 > 0:04:01but with the Liberal Democrats, at a local level, we'll keep taxes low,
0:04:01 > 0:04:04we'll make sure you get value for money from your services,
0:04:04 > 0:04:09but we'll also remember those who need more help in society.
0:04:09 > 0:04:13But it could be a step back for the party
0:04:13 > 0:04:16if the message fails to resonate with the electorate.
0:04:16 > 0:04:19Local government politics
0:04:19 > 0:04:24has been a cornerstone of their electoral success
0:04:24 > 0:04:27at the Assembly level and in Westminster.
0:04:27 > 0:04:33Losing that presence and those people to knock on doors and spread their message
0:04:33 > 0:04:36would be a significant blow to the party
0:04:36 > 0:04:41as they try to secure support in the Westminster elections.
0:04:41 > 0:04:45So members of the party will still be walking the streets,
0:04:45 > 0:04:50hoping to persuade their supporters to stand by them on May 3rd.
0:04:50 > 0:04:52ROCK MUSIC
0:04:54 > 0:04:56Elliw Gwawr.
0:04:56 > 0:04:57Myrddin Edwards,
0:04:57 > 0:05:02the Liberal Democrats' local machine, where it exists,
0:05:02 > 0:05:04is extremely effective.
0:05:04 > 0:05:08Are you relying on that machine to protect you
0:05:08 > 0:05:11from the changing climate in British politics?
0:05:11 > 0:05:15That machine can be very successful,
0:05:15 > 0:05:20as we have seen in Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham.
0:05:20 > 0:05:26But we have a good record in those places where we are part of the local government,
0:05:26 > 0:05:28in Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham,
0:05:28 > 0:05:33where we have managed to give local people a good service
0:05:33 > 0:05:36but, as you saw from that clip with Aled,
0:05:36 > 0:05:39where the council tax has remained low.
0:05:39 > 0:05:44- But people don't just vote on local issues.- That's difficult.
0:05:44 > 0:05:48I admit that the situation in Westminster is going to be difficult
0:05:48 > 0:05:51but what we're going to tell people on the doorstep
0:05:51 > 0:05:54is that we are making a difference in Westminster
0:05:54 > 0:05:56by increasing that tax threshold to £10,000
0:05:56 > 0:05:59so that people will not pay income tax on the first £10,000.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02That will put £700 back in your pocket.
0:06:02 > 0:06:07At a local level, we're not increasing council tax very much.
0:06:07 > 0:06:11In Swansea it's been frozen. In Cardiff it's only gone up 1.4%.
0:06:11 > 0:06:15During a difficult time, we see that there is pressure on the family budget
0:06:15 > 0:06:18- so we're doing what we can... - VAT has gone up, wages frozen.
0:06:18 > 0:06:22Whatever you do, people are not going to be particularly happy.
0:06:22 > 0:06:28But we are delivering at the three levels where we have an influence. In Westminster, the Assembly...
0:06:28 > 0:06:33Harri Lloyd Davies, these are your partners in Westminster. The little brother, if you like.
0:06:33 > 0:06:37You're not going to be too nasty during this election. You have got to work with them.
0:06:37 > 0:06:40Not locally. We'll be going out across Wales
0:06:40 > 0:06:44and, in places like Swansea, I think the Conservative Party
0:06:44 > 0:06:48has more hope of taking seats away from the Liberal Democrats than anyone else.
0:06:48 > 0:06:51We will be working very hard to do that.
0:06:51 > 0:06:57The difference is that your supporters like what this Government is doing.
0:06:57 > 0:06:59Exactly. And that's the difference.
0:06:59 > 0:07:03The people in our coalition in London, many of the MPs
0:07:03 > 0:07:07are English and they feel a lot closer to the Conservative Party.
0:07:07 > 0:07:13The people in the Liberal Democrat camp in Wales are closer to the Labour Party.
0:07:13 > 0:07:17They don't see what the Liberal Democrats are doing in London
0:07:17 > 0:07:20as a positive thing for Wales.
0:07:20 > 0:07:26Nia Griffith, if the Chancellor decides to increase the tax threshold to £10,000,
0:07:26 > 0:07:30we don't know whether he will do that,
0:07:30 > 0:07:33the Liberal Democrats will get praised for that
0:07:33 > 0:07:37and that's going to be something to sell on the doorstep.
0:07:37 > 0:07:40But at the same time you have got to remember that they
0:07:40 > 0:07:46have voted in favour of increasing VAT and they have voted in favour
0:07:46 > 0:07:52of cutting tax credits which help poorer families who got to work.
0:07:52 > 0:07:55This is very important because people see a party
0:07:55 > 0:08:00which has lost the confidence of the people
0:08:00 > 0:08:05because they promised so much back in 2010
0:08:05 > 0:08:08and now they have failed to deliver.
0:08:08 > 0:08:11They have trebled tuition fees in England
0:08:11 > 0:08:14and people see the Lib Dems very differently now
0:08:14 > 0:08:17to the way they saw them in 2008
0:08:17 > 0:08:21when they were a relatively new party.
0:08:21 > 0:08:25And yet you as a party in the Assembly
0:08:25 > 0:08:30are happy to use the Liberal Democrats to support your budget.
0:08:30 > 0:08:35Well, what happens is, you have got to use what you can
0:08:35 > 0:08:39to create a good environment for your policies.
0:08:39 > 0:08:43But what you should not do
0:08:43 > 0:08:46is to something like the Lib Dems in Westminster.
0:08:46 > 0:08:50They haven't had anything from the Tories at all.
0:08:50 > 0:08:52What are you talking about?
0:08:52 > 0:08:57We're going to cut tax for people who work across Wales and Britain.
0:08:57 > 0:09:00We have made sure that pensioners get a good bargain
0:09:00 > 0:09:04compared your government over the last 13 years.
0:09:04 > 0:09:08It's terrible that you say that. We have a good record in Westminster.
0:09:08 > 0:09:11We have been responsible over the economy
0:09:11 > 0:09:14where Labour has been terribly irresponsible in Westminster.
0:09:14 > 0:09:19When you take into account how much you have lost,
0:09:19 > 0:09:23how much you have cut from people in tax credits
0:09:23 > 0:09:26and the winter fuel allowance for elderly people,
0:09:26 > 0:09:30you have cut more than you are going to get back.
0:09:30 > 0:09:32Myrddin, can I ask you another question?
0:09:32 > 0:09:36Your party has a conference in a few days' time.
0:09:36 > 0:09:39I'm a very familiar with this conference
0:09:39 > 0:09:42and the percentage of people there that are council members is very high.
0:09:42 > 0:09:45You're a party that relies on its councillors, to be honest,
0:09:45 > 0:09:51and the councillors allowance pays for those focus forms.
0:09:51 > 0:09:54If you lose a lot of seats,
0:09:54 > 0:09:57what will that do to the party in Wales,
0:09:57 > 0:10:00considering it will be five years until the next local elections?
0:10:00 > 0:10:03It will be a significant blow.
0:10:03 > 0:10:08We have a good record at local level so we will go out...
0:10:08 > 0:10:11- But you're bound to lose some, aren't you?- We don't know.
0:10:11 > 0:10:14We'll have to see what happens in the election.
0:10:14 > 0:10:19But if we lose councillors, I don't think they are going to disappear.
0:10:19 > 0:10:23They will still be activists and they'll still work for the party.
0:10:23 > 0:10:25I don't accept that logic.
0:10:25 > 0:10:29Harri Lloyd Davies, how are you going to deal with the fact
0:10:29 > 0:10:32that the Liberal Democrats will try to take the glory
0:10:32 > 0:10:36for the things they like about the coalition government in Westminster,
0:10:36 > 0:10:40for example, the tax threshold,
0:10:40 > 0:10:44but not the changes to the NHS?
0:10:44 > 0:10:48They won't want anything to do with that. How will you deal with that?
0:10:48 > 0:10:53I don't think the NHS will make much of a difference to the election in Wales, to be honest.
0:10:53 > 0:10:55It's on the news every night, I know that,
0:10:55 > 0:10:58but I don't think it will have a big effect.
0:10:58 > 0:11:02I do feel the Liberal Democrats will have bog problems in the election.
0:11:02 > 0:11:06I think they're going to lose a lot of seats.
0:11:06 > 0:11:09But what's different about local elections
0:11:09 > 0:11:13is that local people care and they vote.
0:11:13 > 0:11:17There are many individuals who can influence every council in Wales.
0:11:17 > 0:11:20If the NHS is mentioned, what will you say?
0:11:20 > 0:11:23Do you support what David Cameron is pushing through?
0:11:23 > 0:11:26We respect devolution and health has been devolved.
0:11:26 > 0:11:30But it will come up, Nick Clegg's position.
0:11:30 > 0:11:33No...the people of Wales have more sense than that.
0:11:33 > 0:11:36They know the Health Service has been devolved.
0:11:36 > 0:11:40- Does Nick Clegg support these reforms?- I don't know.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43But the Health Service in Wales is being cut.
0:11:43 > 0:11:47That isn't happening in England. It would be a worse situation.
0:11:47 > 0:11:53If the Tories and the Lib Dems were running Wales, we wouldn't see those cuts.
0:11:53 > 0:11:56If the NHS does come up on the doorstep in Wales,
0:11:56 > 0:12:00I'll tell people that Labour are making a mess of our health service.
0:12:00 > 0:12:03Nia Griffith, that is a factor.
0:12:03 > 0:12:07People criticise local government, they criticise what's going on in Westminster,
0:12:07 > 0:12:12but they will also criticise what's happening here, which we'll discuss in a moment.
0:12:12 > 0:12:15They look at everything,
0:12:15 > 0:12:19but the British media and press has a major influence.
0:12:19 > 0:12:22They see what is going on in Westminster.
0:12:22 > 0:12:25You have seen the opinion polls
0:12:25 > 0:12:30and they show that the Liberal Democrats are losing ground.
0:12:30 > 0:12:34I think they will have a big shock in the election.
0:12:34 > 0:12:38With respect, Nia, before the election last year,
0:12:38 > 0:12:42the media and the opinion polls were saying we were going to lose almost every seat.
0:12:42 > 0:12:44We lost one seat.
0:12:44 > 0:12:47They always predict we are going to lose a lot of seats
0:12:47 > 0:12:50but we have a good record
0:12:50 > 0:12:53and we are going to tell people about that record.
0:12:53 > 0:12:57'Yma o Hyd' is the Plaid Cymru anthem, not yours.
0:12:57 > 0:13:02Next week, we'll have a look at the hopes of the Conservative Party in the local elections.
0:13:02 > 0:13:07It's a year since the Yes vote in the referendum on further powers for the Assembly.
0:13:07 > 0:13:10But how much have we seen those powers being used?
0:13:10 > 0:13:12Not much, in reality.
0:13:12 > 0:13:15Some blame Carwyn Jones' government,
0:13:15 > 0:13:19but others, like the parliamentary leader of Plaid Cymru, Elfyn Llwyd,
0:13:19 > 0:13:22who say every party has shown a lack of vision.
0:13:22 > 0:13:24More from Aled ap Dafydd.
0:13:25 > 0:13:27APPLAUSE
0:13:31 > 0:13:34"Give us the tools to do the job", was the message,
0:13:34 > 0:13:36and on March 3rd last year,
0:13:36 > 0:13:40our politicians were given full law-making powers.
0:13:40 > 0:13:43The argument from the No campaign was that we would need
0:13:43 > 0:13:47more Assembly Members because the workload would increase.
0:13:47 > 0:13:49But they've barely broken sweat.
0:13:49 > 0:13:53Not a single law has been passed since the election.
0:13:53 > 0:13:56And it's unlikely to happen before the autumn.
0:13:56 > 0:13:59I've been an AM for ten months and I am still waiting
0:13:59 > 0:14:02for the first sentence of legislation to scrutinise
0:14:02 > 0:14:04as an Assembly Member.
0:14:04 > 0:14:08There is frustration. I sympathise with the frustration that is out there.
0:14:08 > 0:14:13As a new AM, I was expecting to have a lot of work to do after the referendum
0:14:13 > 0:14:17but, in reality, I'm still waiting for the opportunity.
0:14:17 > 0:14:21And your parliamentary leader in an article today
0:14:21 > 0:14:24says your party is as much to blame as the other parties.
0:14:24 > 0:14:28Well, he's frustrated, I am frustrated.
0:14:28 > 0:14:32The reality is that we're in opposition here at the Assembly.
0:14:32 > 0:14:36The ball is in the court of the Labour Party. We are still waiting.
0:14:36 > 0:14:40The party has been clear about the laws we would have brought forward,
0:14:40 > 0:14:45ranging from education laws to public health laws to planning laws.
0:14:45 > 0:14:50Our communities are very concerned about local planning issues that are out there,
0:14:50 > 0:14:53so there is plenty of work this Labour Party could be doing
0:14:53 > 0:14:55but, the truth is, it's not doing anything.
0:14:55 > 0:14:59During the referendum campaign, we asked the people.
0:14:59 > 0:15:03One of them was Steffan ap Dafydd.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06Today, he was back at the institution he supported
0:15:06 > 0:15:09by voting Yes a year ago.
0:15:09 > 0:15:13But the claim that the Assembly is resting on its laurels
0:15:13 > 0:15:15doesn't resonate with him.
0:15:15 > 0:15:19Harold Wilson once said that a week is a long time in politics.
0:15:19 > 0:15:23A year is longer and four years is longer still.
0:15:23 > 0:15:25It's part of the process.
0:15:25 > 0:15:28They have got the tools now and that's the important thing.
0:15:28 > 0:15:33When you have the tools, it is up to you to use them.
0:15:33 > 0:15:35Legislation takes time.
0:15:35 > 0:15:42Seeing bills being passed will pay the bills for a new company of political consultants.
0:15:42 > 0:15:45The Deryn offices, a stone's throw from the Assembly,
0:15:45 > 0:15:50have already seen a lot of interests from companies who want to lobby the Welsh Government
0:15:50 > 0:15:53before any legislation sees the light of day.
0:15:53 > 0:15:57I'm surprised that any politician says that a law
0:15:57 > 0:16:00has to be announced and passed in 10 months.
0:16:00 > 0:16:02You have to consider these laws.
0:16:02 > 0:16:05This isn't a change of policy but legislation,
0:16:05 > 0:16:07and they're very different.
0:16:07 > 0:16:10Whether it's slow or not, Carwyn Jones felt the need in January
0:16:10 > 0:16:14to remind everyone of what Labour has done and what it will do.
0:16:14 > 0:16:17Legislation doesn't happen over night
0:16:17 > 0:16:22and speeding up the process means poor legislation, according to some.
0:16:22 > 0:16:26But sooner or later, the weapons that were requested will have to be sharpened
0:16:26 > 0:16:29in order to justify the result of the referendum.
0:16:29 > 0:16:34Nia Gruffudd, looking at the details,
0:16:34 > 0:16:38one bill that's going through at the moment
0:16:38 > 0:16:40is the one on the bye-laws of local government.
0:16:40 > 0:16:44It is in its very early stages.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46Is that enough to catch the imagination,
0:16:46 > 0:16:50considering it's the first year we've had all these powers?
0:16:50 > 0:16:53We have a strong manifesto.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55What's important is,
0:16:55 > 0:16:58before you introduce a new bill or a new measure,
0:16:58 > 0:17:00you have to be certain that it's good.
0:17:00 > 0:17:05What's very important in this process is the consultation
0:17:05 > 0:17:09that takes place with everyone who is involved.
0:17:09 > 0:17:15New legislation is coming out, the White Paper is coming out on housing
0:17:15 > 0:17:19and we have to consult on that because it's a very important issue.
0:17:19 > 0:17:24Social services, sustainable development.
0:17:24 > 0:17:28These are huge issues and they're very important.
0:17:28 > 0:17:32It's important to think them through before creating legislation
0:17:32 > 0:17:35because you need effective legislation
0:17:35 > 0:17:40that's supported by the people of Wales.
0:17:40 > 0:17:42That's what's important.
0:17:42 > 0:17:45So there's no need to rush, Harri Lloyd Davies.
0:17:45 > 0:17:47I agree to a certain extent.
0:17:47 > 0:17:50I'm concerned about how slowly things are moving
0:17:50 > 0:17:53but it's important that we don't produce poor legislation.
0:17:53 > 0:17:56That's the last thing we want in Wales.
0:17:56 > 0:17:58We don't want more bad legislation.
0:17:58 > 0:18:00If you're running a business or something like that,
0:18:00 > 0:18:04the last thing you want is more rules and regulations.
0:18:04 > 0:18:06That holds us back in Wales.
0:18:06 > 0:18:09That would be understandable if several measures
0:18:09 > 0:18:12had started on the journey and not one had reached the end.
0:18:12 > 0:18:17- But the fact is, only one or two have started the journey.- I agree.
0:18:17 > 0:18:21The question is, what's the point of the Assembly if it can't do anything.
0:18:21 > 0:18:24People might turn around in five at 10 years and say,
0:18:24 > 0:18:27"Why are we paying all this money for people to sit around,
0:18:27 > 0:18:29"if they're not going to do anything
0:18:29 > 0:18:31"and improve the lives of the people of Wales."
0:18:31 > 0:18:35If that answer doesn't come out, the people who say,
0:18:35 > 0:18:39"What's the point of the Assembly?", will win the argument.
0:18:39 > 0:18:42- What's the problem, Myrddin? - It is disappointing.
0:18:42 > 0:18:46I was here almost a year ago watching the results come in.
0:18:46 > 0:18:51The people of Wales said, "Right, you are ready, you are mature. Move on to the next step."
0:18:51 > 0:18:56Under a year later, only the one measure has been introduced and it's very disappointing.
0:18:56 > 0:19:02Has this measure made a difference to our health, our education system or businesses? No.
0:19:02 > 0:19:05But they're coming. They'll come in this session.
0:19:05 > 0:19:08There's a feeling in the Assembly already,
0:19:08 > 0:19:11not with the measures and bills that are going before the Assembly.
0:19:11 > 0:19:16Labour does not have any vision or enthusiasm towards Wales.
0:19:16 > 0:19:21Carwyn Jones is dragging his heels. We want to do things.
0:19:21 > 0:19:25Peter Black, one of our Assembly Members, has already had permission
0:19:25 > 0:19:30to introduce a measure to help people who live in houses in parks
0:19:30 > 0:19:33to improve the rights of tenants.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35When we were fighting in the referendum,
0:19:35 > 0:19:38we were telling people on the that we wanted to introduce things
0:19:38 > 0:19:42that would change the standard of their lives in Wales.
0:19:42 > 0:19:46We're doing that as backbenchers. We're not part of the government at the moment.
0:19:46 > 0:19:49It is very disappointing that only one has emerged so far.
0:19:49 > 0:19:52What do we tell the people of Wales one year later?
0:19:52 > 0:19:56- That only one has been passed. - One in Scotland as well.- Fine.
0:19:56 > 0:19:58Maybe the SNP should get a move on as well!
0:19:58 > 0:20:01Nia, looking at these measures,
0:20:01 > 0:20:05they seem different to the ones in Westminster
0:20:05 > 0:20:09because Westminster measures tend to be a compendium of measures.
0:20:09 > 0:20:12A long measure that makes a lot of differences.
0:20:12 > 0:20:16These seem to be small, narrow measures on the whole.
0:20:16 > 0:20:22Whether you think the health measure in Westminster is good or bad,
0:20:22 > 0:20:24it is very ambitious.
0:20:26 > 0:20:29- Nia?- I don't think Nia can hear us.
0:20:29 > 0:20:33Harri, Tony Blair was always criticised
0:20:33 > 0:20:36for bringing forward too much legislation
0:20:36 > 0:20:38and creating too much legislation.
0:20:38 > 0:20:39Is there something in that?
0:20:39 > 0:20:42That too much is created and maybe it is not well needed?
0:20:42 > 0:20:44I do agree.
0:20:44 > 0:20:47It is a problem and something has to be done during this term.
0:20:47 > 0:20:50But we don't have to run straight in and do things.
0:20:50 > 0:20:53It can create problems.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56Sometimes, as we saw with the Assembly in the early days,
0:20:56 > 0:21:00there was reorganisation of some kind in the health service almost every year.
0:21:00 > 0:21:03Sometimes you have to give what's there a chance to work
0:21:03 > 0:21:05before you change It'll again.
0:21:05 > 0:21:10Let's try Nia again to give her the opportunity to answer that question.
0:21:10 > 0:21:13The measures we're seeing in the Assembly,
0:21:13 > 0:21:18they are very narrow measures, they're not very wide reaching.
0:21:18 > 0:21:23Should this place learn lessons from Westminster and have measures
0:21:23 > 0:21:28based on health for education instead of one small issue.
0:21:28 > 0:21:32What's important is what they're going to do.
0:21:32 > 0:21:34What difference they're going to make.
0:21:34 > 0:21:38If you take the example of housing for example,
0:21:38 > 0:21:41it's important that they try and find ways
0:21:41 > 0:21:44to create more housing in Wales to help people
0:21:44 > 0:21:49and that's what's important is the effectiveness of the measure.
0:21:49 > 0:21:53That's why it's very important. It's not the size that counts.
0:21:53 > 0:21:56What counts is the quality.
0:21:56 > 0:22:00The important thing is to do something you can't do now.
0:22:00 > 0:22:03You've got to be effective.
0:22:03 > 0:22:09You've got to be quite selective and choose what you want to do
0:22:09 > 0:22:14and think through the measures you can do to help you do it.
0:22:14 > 0:22:18Myrddin Edwards, if you were in a coalition here,
0:22:18 > 0:22:21what would you push for tomorrow?
0:22:21 > 0:22:26What I would like to see, and what we called for after the referendum
0:22:26 > 0:22:30and before the election, is for the bus system re-regulated.
0:22:30 > 0:22:34It was regulated in the 80s by Thatcher and we know we have big problems with buses and Wales.
0:22:34 > 0:22:37Something that will make a difference to people.
0:22:37 > 0:22:39Buses. Anything else?
0:22:39 > 0:22:44I'm happy that Peter Black is taking the park homes measure forward.
0:22:44 > 0:22:47That's going to make a difference to people's lives.
0:22:47 > 0:22:50That's what we want to see and that's what the Welsh people want to see.
0:22:50 > 0:22:54We gave you the our vote and now we want you to give us something back.
0:22:54 > 0:22:57What should the Assembly and the Government be pushing for?
0:22:57 > 0:23:00The important thing at the moment is the economy.
0:23:00 > 0:23:04The problem is, legislation is not the easiest thing to get the economy moving.
0:23:04 > 0:23:06I would like to see them using what they've got
0:23:06 > 0:23:10to abolish regulations that affect businesses in Wales
0:23:10 > 0:23:13and take out things that were introduced by Westminster and Europe.
0:23:13 > 0:23:15Thank you very much.
0:23:15 > 0:23:19We'll know what the people of Wales want to see in this place
0:23:19 > 0:23:22and how they want this place to develop
0:23:22 > 0:23:27when BBC Wales publishes the results of the St David's Day opinion poll
0:23:27 > 0:23:31and that will happen in the hours of the morning.
0:23:31 > 0:23:35Bethan will have the result, if you listen to English language radio in the morning.
0:23:35 > 0:23:38On 'Y Post Cyntaf' if you listen to Welsh language radio.
0:23:38 > 0:23:43Some of you have tweeted us tonight, thanks very much for contacting us, about the Liberal Democrats.
0:23:43 > 0:23:48Cadan ap Tomos says, "I don't like this talk about a coalition government being like a marriage.
0:23:48 > 0:23:50"That's not what it is like at all."
0:23:50 > 0:23:52Steve Jones has tweeted,
0:23:52 > 0:23:57"I hope the little brother will be punished in the local elections after the party lied to students."
0:23:57 > 0:24:01Thank you for your tweets. That's it for tonight.
0:24:01 > 0:24:06Join us again next Wednesday night at 9:30pm.
0:24:06 > 0:24:09- Until then, good night.- Good night. - See you next week.