0:00:19 > 0:00:23Good evening. Welcome to the programme.
0:00:23 > 0:00:25Tonight, a new slogan and new colours,
0:00:25 > 0:00:29but is Ed Miliband's Labour in a new direction, as well?
0:00:29 > 0:00:31And is there peace?
0:00:31 > 0:00:33The Welsh Government opens a discussion
0:00:33 > 0:00:35on the future of the National Eisteddfod.
0:00:35 > 0:00:39We're joined by Rhys Williams from the Labour Party,
0:00:39 > 0:00:41the Plaid Cymru Assembly Member Elin Jones
0:00:41 > 0:00:44and the former Conservative Minister Rod Richards,
0:00:44 > 0:00:45who is now a political commentator.
0:00:45 > 0:00:48A warm welcome to the three of you.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51Forget old Labour, Tony Blair's new Labour
0:00:51 > 0:00:53or Rhodri Morgan's classic Labour.
0:00:53 > 0:00:55There's a new name and a new image.
0:00:55 > 0:00:57One Nation Labour.
0:00:57 > 0:00:59Ed Miliband has claimed a Tory slogan
0:00:59 > 0:01:04and says his party will rebuild a united Britain.
0:01:04 > 0:01:06We'll discuss what that means in a moment,
0:01:06 > 0:01:09but first, a look at his speech to the conference.
0:01:09 > 0:01:12For more than an hour, he spoke from the heart about his upbringing,
0:01:12 > 0:01:14his faith and his vision.
0:01:14 > 0:01:16His performance has been praised.
0:01:16 > 0:01:20So, is this the start of his march to Downing Street?
0:01:20 > 0:01:23Bethan James reports.
0:01:23 > 0:01:24APPLAUSE
0:01:27 > 0:01:30Is this the next Prime Minister?
0:01:30 > 0:01:31Is he a credible leader?
0:01:31 > 0:01:34That is what has been concerning Labour Party members
0:01:34 > 0:01:38in Manchester and across the country.
0:01:38 > 0:01:40Image is just as important as policies,
0:01:40 > 0:01:45and no-one is more aware of that than Ed Miliband.
0:01:45 > 0:01:48Doing this job, you get called some names.
0:01:48 > 0:01:54Some of them nice, some of them not so nice.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57His performance at the conference was confident and personal,
0:01:57 > 0:02:01with an emphasis on his background and education.
0:02:01 > 0:02:06Less privileged to a degree than that of David Cameron and Nick Clegg.
0:02:06 > 0:02:08My conviction is rooted in my family's story.
0:02:08 > 0:02:11A story that starts a thousand miles from here.
0:02:11 > 0:02:15Because the Milibands haven't sat under the same oak tree
0:02:15 > 0:02:17for the last 500 years.
0:02:17 > 0:02:22His speech has lifted the spirits of the party in Wales.
0:02:22 > 0:02:25It was an excellent speech. He spoke about himself.
0:02:25 > 0:02:27People wanted to know about Ed Miliband.
0:02:27 > 0:02:29And I think people now know who he is.
0:02:29 > 0:02:32He was confident. He was comfortable.
0:02:32 > 0:02:35Not just with people in the hall, but on stage, as well.
0:02:35 > 0:02:38He was talking about one nation, which is a strong message.
0:02:38 > 0:02:42Substance is more important than image, and Ed knows that.
0:02:42 > 0:02:45There was plenty of substance in his speech today.
0:02:45 > 0:02:48He discussed issues such as banking, immigration,
0:02:48 > 0:02:50the health service in England.
0:02:50 > 0:02:53There was plenty of meat on the bones.
0:02:53 > 0:02:56The coalition government in Westminster is unpopular,
0:02:56 > 0:03:02with cuts in the public sector leading to intense protests.
0:03:02 > 0:03:05But although Labour are ahead in the polls,
0:03:05 > 0:03:11it seems the electorate are not yet ready to support the leader.
0:03:11 > 0:03:14So, are there lessons to be learnt from the party in Wales,
0:03:14 > 0:03:17where the party is in government?
0:03:17 > 0:03:21We have a duty to show that a Labour government can work,
0:03:21 > 0:03:24and it can work at a British level.
0:03:24 > 0:03:27That's why we have put in place a programme of measures
0:03:27 > 0:03:30for the benefit of Wales.
0:03:30 > 0:03:35People beyond Wales say the image projected by the Welsh Labour Party
0:03:35 > 0:03:38is not beneficial to the party as a whole.
0:03:38 > 0:03:44The lesson to be learnt is how to operate a coalition government.
0:03:44 > 0:03:48It could be a possibility after the next general election
0:03:48 > 0:03:53if Labour and the Conservatives fail to win the majority.
0:03:54 > 0:04:00Rhys, it says something that Ed Miliband
0:04:00 > 0:04:04sees a need to reintroduce himself to the electorate
0:04:04 > 0:04:06after being party leader for two years.
0:04:06 > 0:04:10It was a breath of fresh air.
0:04:10 > 0:04:14Especially when he talked about his own upbringing.
0:04:14 > 0:04:17He went to Haverstock comprehensive school.
0:04:17 > 0:04:22I think all of us, particularly in Wales, are sentimental.
0:04:22 > 0:04:25I went to Ynysybwl primary school,
0:04:25 > 0:04:31but at 11 years of age, I went to a school in Pontypridd.
0:04:31 > 0:04:33My friends went to a different school.
0:04:33 > 0:04:39I never played with the children I played with when I was 11.
0:04:39 > 0:04:40But why does he need to say that?
0:04:40 > 0:04:44I can see Ed Miliband has an image
0:04:44 > 0:04:47of being a geek and an academic,
0:04:47 > 0:04:49not being an everyday person.
0:04:49 > 0:04:53Going on and on about the fact you have been to comprehensive school
0:04:53 > 0:04:57may be him trying to appear as an average man.
0:04:57 > 0:05:03How many ministers attended comprehensive schools?
0:05:03 > 0:05:07Very few. I can't think of any at the moment.
0:05:07 > 0:05:13But the fact that Ed Miliband has been party leader for two years,
0:05:13 > 0:05:15compare him with Nick Clegg.
0:05:15 > 0:05:22Nick Clegg has gone from hero to zero in no time.
0:05:22 > 0:05:25Ed Miliband is the other way around.
0:05:25 > 0:05:30He has worked his way up slowly.
0:05:30 > 0:05:33But I have a lot more faith
0:05:33 > 0:05:42in someone who climbs the ladder gradually
0:05:42 > 0:05:49than someone who makes a quick impression and then changes.
0:05:49 > 0:05:52Rod Richards, what about him calling Labour a one-nation party?
0:05:52 > 0:05:55He coined the Disraeli phrase.
0:06:01 > 0:06:07- Are the red tanks on Tory ground here?- 140 years late, maybe.
0:06:07 > 0:06:11Is he saying that they haven't been a party for the nation
0:06:11 > 0:06:14during that time?
0:06:14 > 0:06:17I think in a way he has set a trap for himself
0:06:17 > 0:06:22because as we approach the general election in two and a half years,
0:06:22 > 0:06:26the leaders of all the parties, including him,
0:06:26 > 0:06:32will have to concentrate on those people likely to vote for his party.
0:06:32 > 0:06:36And therefore, there will be a focus on a certain element
0:06:36 > 0:06:40of the electorate and not the entire electorate.
0:06:40 > 0:06:43He is going to find it tougher
0:06:43 > 0:06:47to carry the party's flag of "one nation".
0:06:47 > 0:06:51And the other mistake I think he has made is trying to show
0:06:51 > 0:06:55that he is closer to the people than David Cameron.
0:06:55 > 0:06:58And using the example that he went to a comprehensive school
0:06:58 > 0:07:01and that Cameron went to Eton.
0:07:01 > 0:07:05And that is, according to yesterday's speech,
0:07:05 > 0:07:09the only difference between them. What about his career?
0:07:09 > 0:07:12The truth is his career, like Cameron, has been in politics.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15He's never done a real job.
0:07:15 > 0:07:18He's not been a farmer, he hasn't done anything.
0:07:18 > 0:07:21Elin Jones, raising this one nation point,
0:07:21 > 0:07:26listening carefully to the speech, it seems that in referring to this
0:07:26 > 0:07:32one nation that he sometimes meant England and occasionally Britain.
0:07:32 > 0:07:36He said Cameron made a pledge to the British people over the NHS. Not in Wales, not in Scotland.
0:07:36 > 0:07:39Do you think the speech will play rather differently in Scotland
0:07:39 > 0:07:43- and Wales to the way it plays in England?- Yes, I think so.
0:07:43 > 0:07:47And I think it causes a problem for the Labour Party in Wales
0:07:47 > 0:07:52and in Scotland, as they try to act within the Welsh nation
0:07:52 > 0:07:57and Scottish nation, especially in the context of the Labour Party
0:07:57 > 0:08:02in Scotland ahead of the referendum on independence,
0:08:02 > 0:08:07trying to show that Labour is a party for the Scottish nation.
0:08:07 > 0:08:13So I think it causes a problem for Labour in the two countries.
0:08:13 > 0:08:16And to all intensive purposes, it was a speech
0:08:16 > 0:08:20for the English nation and so once again, mixes up between
0:08:20 > 0:08:27the English nation and British nation, if there is such a thing.
0:08:27 > 0:08:31- Does the party need rebranding here? - No.
0:08:31 > 0:08:36Miliband praised what is happening in Wales,
0:08:36 > 0:08:40but we are seeing a number of weaknesses in England.
0:08:40 > 0:08:42For example, with PFI,
0:08:42 > 0:08:49the finance initiative to build schools and hospitals.
0:08:49 > 0:08:51It hadn't really been used in Wales.
0:08:51 > 0:08:55And of course, with the passing of time,
0:08:55 > 0:08:57we have seen that we were right.
0:08:57 > 0:09:00But Ed Balls still wants a PFI model to be used,
0:09:00 > 0:09:05so there is a split between Balls and Miliband.
0:09:06 > 0:09:08And that has been clear this week.
0:09:08 > 0:09:15If he is going to carry the one nation flag, what is he going
0:09:15 > 0:09:21to do when the unions and the union leaders in the public sector take
0:09:21 > 0:09:26direct action and strike against the people in the private sector?
0:09:26 > 0:09:29What is he going to do with the problem,
0:09:29 > 0:09:34especially considering that the unions fund the Labour Party?
0:09:34 > 0:09:38What happens when taxes are cut for people
0:09:38 > 0:09:41that are millionaires in this country?
0:09:41 > 0:09:45We're talking about carry a one nation flag
0:09:45 > 0:09:52and I'm trying to explain where I see the problems he has.
0:09:52 > 0:09:55Don't you think that Cameron is trying to carry the same flag?
0:09:55 > 0:09:59he question for the Labour Party now and for the Welsh Labour Party
0:09:59 > 0:10:03in particular is that if it is one nation, what is Wales?
0:10:03 > 0:10:05A region?
0:10:05 > 0:10:08Let me raise another point.
0:10:08 > 0:10:11The style of the speech, Elin Jones,
0:10:11 > 0:10:18did you believe that this man had the ability to make such a speech?
0:10:18 > 0:10:24Do you think it has made people look at him afresh because of the style
0:10:24 > 0:10:27and panache, if you like, something we weren't expecting from him.
0:10:27 > 0:10:30Well, he has made an impression
0:10:30 > 0:10:34because you have to praise someone who can stand up
0:10:34 > 0:10:39and present an argument for an hour without a script.
0:10:39 > 0:10:42I remember Ieuan Wyn Jones doing something similar
0:10:42 > 0:10:44at a conference a few years ago.
0:10:44 > 0:10:47I remember listening to that speech by Ieuan
0:10:47 > 0:10:50and I was very nervous that it may all go wrong
0:10:50 > 0:10:56and I'm sure members of the Labour Party were also nervous.
0:10:56 > 0:11:00David Cameron has done it before. Will he be rewriting that speech?
0:11:00 > 0:11:04And will he be slightly shocked considering the success
0:11:04 > 0:11:07and reception?
0:11:07 > 0:11:11Certainly, the speech has been warmly welcomed
0:11:11 > 0:11:16and certainly people are shocked and certainly, as Elin said,
0:11:16 > 0:11:21it is quite a feat to be able to stand up and talk for over an hour.
0:11:21 > 0:11:26But the truth is that I think he has shown this talent,
0:11:26 > 0:11:28it is a talent, too late.
0:11:28 > 0:11:32He has now been leader for two and a half years.
0:11:32 > 0:11:37Only one in five believe he has the talent to be prime minister.
0:11:37 > 0:11:41And I fear that once people have reached that opinion,
0:11:41 > 0:11:46it's extremely difficult to convince them otherwise.
0:11:46 > 0:11:50You must also remember how many people take any notice
0:11:50 > 0:11:54of such a speech when it is competing against such big news.
0:11:54 > 0:12:00Thank you. How to expand your appeal to non-Welsh speakers.
0:12:00 > 0:12:03One of the points being considered by a new group
0:12:03 > 0:12:05looking at the future of the National Eisteddfod.
0:12:05 > 0:12:08The minister with responsibility for the language,
0:12:08 > 0:12:12Leighton Andrews, has told CF99
0:12:12 > 0:12:16that the on-Maes experience for non-Welsh speakers is shameful.
0:12:16 > 0:12:21He is promising more money from the Welsh Government if the festival modernises.
0:12:21 > 0:12:25But what would be the implications of that? Aled ap Dafydd reports.
0:12:26 > 0:12:31# We go from Eisteddfod to Eisteddfod, when will it all end? #
0:12:31 > 0:12:34Well, not just yet, but the festival is in dire straits.
0:12:34 > 0:12:38The deal on offer from the Welsh Government -
0:12:38 > 0:12:41adapt and enrich the experience for Welsh speakers
0:12:41 > 0:12:46and non-Welsh speakers with the promise of more public money.
0:12:46 > 0:12:51The question is how much ground is the festival willing to give?
0:12:51 > 0:12:55The minister currently responsible for funding the Eisteddfod
0:12:55 > 0:12:58is not short of criticism.
0:12:58 > 0:13:05I think that the experience for people visiting
0:13:06 > 0:13:12the Eisteddfod for the first time is shameful, to be honest.
0:13:15 > 0:13:21It is not clear what is happening in the tents
0:13:21 > 0:13:24or on the Maes.
0:13:27 > 0:13:32In a year's time, Leighton Andrews will consider the findings of a group
0:13:32 > 0:13:36of 12 presenting recommendations on the modernisation of the festival.
0:13:36 > 0:13:40The questions being considered are not new.
0:13:40 > 0:13:43A permanent site north and south Wales?
0:13:43 > 0:13:46Does it offer enough for people with non-Welsh backgrounds?
0:13:46 > 0:13:49How can the Urdd and the Eisteddfod work more closely together?
0:13:49 > 0:13:54And how to take advantage on other sources of finance.
0:13:54 > 0:13:56This is this year's Eisteddfod site.
0:13:56 > 0:14:01An empty field in Llandow in the Vale of Glamorgan.
0:14:01 > 0:14:03Even the Eisteddfod weather has gone.
0:14:03 > 0:14:08But ensuring the long-term future of the festival is proving difficult.
0:14:08 > 0:14:12There are two sides competing against each other.
0:14:12 > 0:14:16The Government, keen to influence the festival,
0:14:16 > 0:14:21and the Eisteddfod-goers, who say let us take care of our own affairs.
0:14:21 > 0:14:27One believes the establishment of the group is mischievous.
0:14:27 > 0:14:30The danger is that we could have unintentional results
0:14:30 > 0:14:34with an important festival as regards language
0:14:34 > 0:14:37and culture being shrunk and heritage and the awareness
0:14:37 > 0:14:41of the language in different parts of Wales being reduced.
0:14:41 > 0:14:47And one other question I would like to ask is - I know the Welsh rule is not part of the remit,
0:14:47 > 0:14:55but is that really why this task force was established in the first place?
0:14:55 > 0:14:58The Government says that is not the aim.
0:14:58 > 0:15:02But it's inevitable there will be changes.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05The organisers acknowledge there is room for improvement.
0:15:05 > 0:15:08Does the £17 ticket offer value for money?
0:15:08 > 0:15:12Is the information available on the Maes sufficient?
0:15:12 > 0:15:17Would Wales' local authorities be willing to fund the festival
0:15:17 > 0:15:20if it moved to two permanent sites?
0:15:20 > 0:15:22The organisers say more money
0:15:22 > 0:15:25is needed to put their ideas into practice.
0:15:25 > 0:15:32It depends how far the minister wants to go, as far as modernising.
0:15:32 > 0:15:35Modern technology is available, but it costs money.
0:15:35 > 0:15:39Of course, there is a possibility those costs will come down
0:15:39 > 0:15:42and savings can be made to ensure that a contribution
0:15:42 > 0:15:46is made from the Eisteddfod coffers towards that technology.
0:15:46 > 0:15:51But certainly you are talking about an extra £100,000 as a minimum.
0:15:51 > 0:15:56In the days of black and white television,
0:15:56 > 0:15:59this was a week of culture for Welsh speakers.
0:15:59 > 0:16:02It's now more than that. A mixture of the old and the new.
0:16:02 > 0:16:05Loyal Eisteddfod-goers and fresh faced newcomers.
0:16:05 > 0:16:10Feeding their enthusiasm will mean more visitors.
0:16:10 > 0:16:13But at what cost to the festival's traditions?
0:16:14 > 0:16:15Aled ap Dafydd.
0:16:15 > 0:16:19Rod Richards, the experience for first time visitors is shameful,
0:16:19 > 0:16:23says Leighton Andrews. Would you agree?
0:16:23 > 0:16:27It depends on their experience
0:16:27 > 0:16:32and what they expected from visiting the Eisteddfod in the first place.
0:16:32 > 0:16:37And what exactly happened that disappointed them.
0:16:37 > 0:16:40Without examples, it's hard to say.
0:16:40 > 0:16:47Certainly, I've heard people with all kinds of complaints.
0:16:47 > 0:16:49So reform is needed?
0:16:49 > 0:16:52- Hmm? - The festival needs to be changed?
0:16:52 > 0:16:54Change is needed.
0:16:54 > 0:16:58But I fear that with what is happening at the moment,
0:16:58 > 0:17:03we have more heat than light, and we will hear the same old arguments.
0:17:03 > 0:17:05What are we going to do?
0:17:05 > 0:17:10Are we going to move round Wales every year?
0:17:10 > 0:17:16I can see their problem because the truth is if you're going to have one
0:17:16 > 0:17:21permanent site for the Eisteddfod, you will lose those people from the
0:17:21 > 0:17:26local areas who visit the Eisteddfod because it is on their doorstep.
0:17:26 > 0:17:32And that possibly... I don't have the figures,
0:17:32 > 0:17:37but that could possibly mean that they receive less money
0:17:37 > 0:17:43because only the hardcore would visit a permanent site.
0:17:43 > 0:17:46One thing that surprises me
0:17:46 > 0:17:50is that Leighton Andrews says the Eisteddfod must modernise and
0:17:50 > 0:17:55must change, but the Eisteddfod has changed a great deal during my time.
0:17:55 > 0:17:59There is a bar on the Maes. There are open air stages.
0:17:59 > 0:18:02There are even plastic Gorsedd stones.
0:18:02 > 0:18:06- The Eisteddfod is not some incredibly conservative body.- No.
0:18:06 > 0:18:09My experience of the Eisteddfod during the past ten years has
0:18:09 > 0:18:14been transformed, especially with the sale of alcohol on the Maes.
0:18:14 > 0:18:17We've seen the nature of the Eisteddfod change quite a bit.
0:18:17 > 0:18:21And the impact of the Eisteddfod
0:18:21 > 0:18:24on the local town or city being reduced.
0:18:24 > 0:18:28So the argument over moving locations every year
0:18:28 > 0:18:31has changed, since the nature of the Eisteddfod has changed to try
0:18:31 > 0:18:34and keep people on the Maes, even late at night,
0:18:34 > 0:18:40and so the economic impact on the wider area, I'd say, has reduced.
0:18:40 > 0:18:44Should the government taskforce...
0:18:44 > 0:18:47I'm sure no-one would disagree with the people on that taskforce,
0:18:47 > 0:18:49they are noble people.
0:18:49 > 0:18:53But should this taskforce appointed by the minister
0:18:53 > 0:18:57be considering these matters rather than the Eisteddfod Authority?
0:18:57 > 0:19:01The decisions will eventually have to be made by the Eisteddfod
0:19:01 > 0:19:05because the Eisteddfod is a voluntary body, essentially,
0:19:05 > 0:19:10and so it is owned by those people on the various committees.
0:19:10 > 0:19:15That principle is important. But the debate will be quite interesting.
0:19:15 > 0:19:21Although some of the arguments have been discussed many times,
0:19:21 > 0:19:24but maybe it is important to discuss once again.
0:19:24 > 0:19:28In expanding the appeal, Rhys, do we need to change the welcome offered to non-Welsh people?
0:19:28 > 0:19:31Well, there is a difference between the Pavilion and the Maes.
0:19:31 > 0:19:36Rod was saying about his Eisteddfod experience.
0:19:36 > 0:19:42As someone who came from a non-Welsh speaking village,
0:19:42 > 0:19:46I went to the Eisteddfod every year with my father.
0:19:46 > 0:19:47My father loved being on the Maes.
0:19:47 > 0:19:53It was a chance to speak Welsh for an entire week.
0:19:53 > 0:19:55And Elin was talking about the years passing...
0:19:55 > 0:20:00It was 20 years before I ventured into the Pavilion.
0:20:00 > 0:20:04For me, the Eisteddfod was all about the Maes.
0:20:04 > 0:20:08It wasn't the Pavilion. And I think that is the experience for many.
0:20:08 > 0:20:11Do you agree with Angharad Mair in that piece?
0:20:11 > 0:20:14Maybe the long-term aim is to reconsider the Welsh rule.
0:20:14 > 0:20:18It's not something that this committee is considering.
0:20:18 > 0:20:23And I think that the Eisteddfod is a Welsh festival.
0:20:23 > 0:20:26What about bilingualism?
0:20:26 > 0:20:31Letting the non-Welsh speakers know what is going on, where to go?
0:20:31 > 0:20:35We need to be open and the Eisteddfod Maes needs to be there
0:20:35 > 0:20:39for all Welsh people and whoever else wants to visit.
0:20:39 > 0:20:41I think there is a question,
0:20:41 > 0:20:44if you are not entirely familiar with the Eisteddfod Maes and what
0:20:44 > 0:20:49happens in the various tents and the Pavilion, then you can get lost
0:20:49 > 0:20:53and maybe not see exactly what is on offer on the Eisteddfod Maes.
0:20:53 > 0:20:57There is a lot to see, but you need to know where you're going.
0:20:57 > 0:21:01But the truth is, Rod Richards, there are more things to do
0:21:01 > 0:21:04if you are a Welsh speaker.
0:21:04 > 0:21:08There are all these society tents, the literary pavilion,
0:21:08 > 0:21:12sometimes there is simultaneous translation, but often there is not.
0:21:12 > 0:21:17Is it maybe time to think is one ticket for everything
0:21:17 > 0:21:20the fair way to pay for this?
0:21:20 > 0:21:25Maybe someone should have to pay more to visit Ymryson Y Beirdd
0:21:25 > 0:21:30or to go into something that is not of interest to others?
0:21:30 > 0:21:35That is a very good question.
0:21:35 > 0:21:40But before you can answer that question, you must ask
0:21:40 > 0:21:45another question, and that refers to something that Rhys mentioned.
0:21:45 > 0:21:48Enjoying wandering the Maes, but not doing anything else.
0:21:48 > 0:21:51What percentage of people go to the Eisteddfod
0:21:51 > 0:21:57and merely wander the Maes, socialising and meeting people?
0:21:57 > 0:22:02The head of Gwyl Y Gelli is on the panel. It's a successful festival.
0:22:02 > 0:22:06It's free to enter but you pay for everything else that is going on.
0:22:06 > 0:22:12I like the idea... I'm not sure if it was Rod's idea.
0:22:12 > 0:22:18But a Maes ticket and then maybe a ticket for other things.
0:22:18 > 0:22:22- Like it used to be. - Well, there was a Pavilion ticket.
0:22:22 > 0:22:26But everything else was free.
0:22:26 > 0:22:29Elin, what needs to be done?
0:22:29 > 0:22:31What would you be saying if you were on the panel?
0:22:31 > 0:22:35Well, I think it's important to consider the question
0:22:35 > 0:22:39of location and I think there are changes that can be made
0:22:39 > 0:22:42regarding the economic impact as well as the impact
0:22:42 > 0:22:47on the Welsh language on the areas the Eisteddfod visits.
0:22:47 > 0:22:52There are different arguments to be addressed.
0:22:52 > 0:22:55Rod Richards, one thing. One change?
0:22:55 > 0:22:58We need to scrap the Gorsedd.
0:22:58 > 0:23:02Controversial. Rhys, one change?
0:23:02 > 0:23:05Well, I don't like to agree with Rod,
0:23:05 > 0:23:09but I would get rid of all the frocks for the men
0:23:09 > 0:23:13and the turn-ups showing under their pretty frocks.
0:23:13 > 0:23:17They have a sword, remember!
0:23:17 > 0:23:22As far as the funding, they must continue on half a million from here?
0:23:22 > 0:23:28Well, it's important and it is promoting Welsh culture.
0:23:28 > 0:23:34It is important to celebrate the language and we're doing that
0:23:34 > 0:23:39in a fantastic way every year at the Eisteddfod, but that influence
0:23:39 > 0:23:42on the language must continue, not just during that week,
0:23:42 > 0:23:45- but all year round. - Thank you for joining us.
0:23:45 > 0:23:50And that's it. We'll be back at the same time next Wednesday.
0:23:50 > 0:23:54The Conservatives will be in Birmingham for their annual conference.
0:23:54 > 0:23:56We'll be concentrating on David Cameron.
0:23:56 > 0:24:00I wonder whether he'll have any notes for his speech. Who knows!
0:24:00 > 0:24:03- Until then, good night.- Good night.