0:00:20 > 0:00:25Hello and welcome to CF99 live from the National Assembly in Cardiff Bay.
0:00:25 > 0:00:27On tonight's programme:
0:00:27 > 0:00:30The Queen, the bling and the odd policy.
0:00:30 > 0:00:32But was there any substance to today's ceremony?
0:00:32 > 0:00:36It's nice to celebrate the footballing success,
0:00:36 > 0:00:40but is it foolish to overplay the benefits for Welsh cities?
0:00:41 > 0:00:45Joining me this evening is someone who has enjoyed
0:00:45 > 0:00:49the success of his local team, the Labour MP for Newport West,
0:00:49 > 0:00:51Paul Flynn.
0:00:51 > 0:00:55And I'm also joined by Bethan Jenkins, Plaid Cymru AM
0:00:55 > 0:01:00and from Westminster, the Tory MP for Aberconwy, Guto Bebb.
0:01:00 > 0:01:01Welcome.
0:01:03 > 0:01:05It was a big day for someone who is used to big events,
0:01:05 > 0:01:08having reigned for such a long time.
0:01:08 > 0:01:11But enough about Sir Alex Ferguson,
0:01:11 > 0:01:14we will be talking about football later.
0:01:14 > 0:01:17Although Fergie was competing with the Queen for the headlines
0:01:17 > 0:01:20our first topic is the Queen's Speech
0:01:20 > 0:01:24and the Government's legislative programme.
0:01:24 > 0:01:28James Williams has been to have a look at the menu
0:01:28 > 0:01:30a cafe in Pontypridd in order to explain more.
0:01:38 > 0:01:42The Queen's Speech to the general public.
0:01:42 > 0:01:45Despite the pomp and ceremony, these are meant to be policies
0:01:45 > 0:01:49and legislation for the people on the high street and rural areas.
0:01:51 > 0:01:56Only 150 miles separates Pontypridd from Westminster,
0:01:56 > 0:02:00but on a day like this it seems a long way away.
0:02:02 > 0:02:05But the message from the Government is that they support
0:02:05 > 0:02:09the ordinary people, people who work hard and want to succeed in life.
0:02:10 > 0:02:13It's less than a week since the disappointing results
0:02:13 > 0:02:16for the coalition parties in the local elections.
0:02:16 > 0:02:19Is there enough choice on the legislative menu
0:02:19 > 0:02:20to please the voters?
0:02:22 > 0:02:25These measures aren't in direct response
0:02:25 > 0:02:29to those, maybe, poor results for the Conservatives.
0:02:29 > 0:02:33These measures are long-term responses
0:02:33 > 0:02:37and will have been prepared by the coalition for some months.
0:02:37 > 0:02:41There is an attempt here to answer the question facing
0:02:41 > 0:02:44all parties regard regarding immigration.
0:02:44 > 0:02:47One of the main policies is to strengthen legislation
0:02:47 > 0:02:49surrounding immigration.
0:02:49 > 0:02:52Food for thought for UKIP members who did so well
0:02:52 > 0:02:54in the local elections in England.
0:02:54 > 0:02:57There's also pension policies
0:02:57 > 0:03:00and to make some employers exempt from paying part of their
0:03:00 > 0:03:02National Insurance contributions.
0:03:02 > 0:03:05We are standing up for hard working people.
0:03:05 > 0:03:08This is a Queen's Speech that will back aspiration
0:03:08 > 0:03:09and those who want to get on.
0:03:09 > 0:03:13This is a Queen's Speech that will make our country competitive again.
0:03:13 > 0:03:16This is a Queen's Speech that will cut our deficit, grow our economy,
0:03:16 > 0:03:19deliver a better future for our children and help us
0:03:19 > 0:03:22to win the global race, and I commend it to the House.
0:03:22 > 0:03:25He can't provide the answers the country needs
0:03:25 > 0:03:29because he's lost control of his party.
0:03:29 > 0:03:33As someone once said - he's in office but not in power.
0:03:33 > 0:03:36Because what is their party spending their time talking about?
0:03:36 > 0:03:39Not youth unemployment, not the NHS.
0:03:39 > 0:03:42Not the living standards crisis, but the one subject
0:03:42 > 0:03:45they are obsessing about day-in-day-out, Europe and UKIP.
0:03:47 > 0:03:50But there has been plenty of interest in what's been left out.
0:03:51 > 0:03:55There'll be no measures to sell cigarettes in plain packaging.
0:03:55 > 0:03:58No minimum price on alcohol
0:03:58 > 0:04:02and no new bill to give security services the power
0:04:02 > 0:04:05to monitor emails and internet usage.
0:04:05 > 0:04:07The last of these was dropped, it seems,
0:04:07 > 0:04:11following opposition by the Lib Dems.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14How much of a Lib Dem influence is there on the list?
0:04:14 > 0:04:18The Liberal Democrats have influenced a lot
0:04:18 > 0:04:22to try and make sure this Government continues
0:04:22 > 0:04:26to be a government with heart
0:04:26 > 0:04:29as well as being an accountant.
0:04:29 > 0:04:35I'm sure a lot has gone into the programme,
0:04:35 > 0:04:37and previous programmes,
0:04:37 > 0:04:40because the Lib Dems are in government.
0:04:42 > 0:04:46With devolution, different countries require different contents.
0:04:46 > 0:04:49So what is the Welsh flavour to things?
0:04:49 > 0:04:51Thank you.
0:04:51 > 0:04:55Obviously a number of measures will affect all parts of the UK.
0:04:55 > 0:04:57But for Wales there is a policy
0:04:57 > 0:05:01to introduce a draft bill on the electoral system.
0:05:01 > 0:05:03The aim is to lift the ban on candidates
0:05:03 > 0:05:06standing on regional lists and in constituencies,
0:05:06 > 0:05:10and to extend the Assembly's term to five years.
0:05:10 > 0:05:13There is also the suggestion that the draft measure could be
0:05:13 > 0:05:15a way of introduce introducing Silk Commission recommendations
0:05:15 > 0:05:17on the Assembly's financial powers.
0:05:19 > 0:05:22My Lords and Members of the House of Commons...
0:05:22 > 0:05:26It is an historic and traditional ceremony but on a day
0:05:26 > 0:05:29when many are talking about the retirement of a football manager,
0:05:29 > 0:05:34has this ceremony and Establishment lost touch with the public?
0:05:34 > 0:05:39The building near us here is part of the oldest
0:05:39 > 0:05:43constitutional and democratic system in Britain.
0:05:43 > 0:05:48The process of having this Queen's Speech
0:05:48 > 0:05:52and what the coalition government is setting out
0:05:52 > 0:05:56is part of the British history and the constitutional history.
0:05:56 > 0:06:01We shouldn't give the pageant too much attention.
0:06:01 > 0:06:03There is substance here as well.
0:06:05 > 0:06:07Beyond the list of measures that were announced today
0:06:07 > 0:06:11some others could be introduced and other matters, such as Europe,
0:06:11 > 0:06:14that the Queen didn't mention today
0:06:14 > 0:06:18will be given attention during the coming parliamentary term.
0:06:21 > 0:06:22James Williams there.
0:06:23 > 0:06:27We heard there that there was substance as well as ceremony,
0:06:27 > 0:06:30but did it deserve that ceremony? It was a short speech?
0:06:32 > 0:06:36Yes, and about time, too, I would say.
0:06:36 > 0:06:41One of the problems with the coalition over the first three years
0:06:41 > 0:06:44is the fact that we've tried to do too much.
0:06:44 > 0:06:48As a Conservative, I feel strongly that it's important
0:06:48 > 0:06:52the Government does a little but does it well.
0:06:52 > 0:06:56I welcome we had the necessary measures being introduced here
0:06:56 > 0:06:58but not too many of them.
0:07:00 > 0:07:03Paul Flynn, whatever your opinion on the details,
0:07:03 > 0:07:06and there will be debates about that,
0:07:06 > 0:07:10there are things such as pensions, care for the elderly in England,
0:07:10 > 0:07:15they are important things to be discussed?
0:07:15 > 0:07:20Yes. And we agree with the measures on pensions.
0:07:20 > 0:07:26But the next Government will be putting this legislation in place.
0:07:26 > 0:07:29Nothing's going to happen for years.
0:07:29 > 0:07:34We all want to see a flat rate pension,
0:07:34 > 0:07:37people have been talking about that for years.
0:07:37 > 0:07:42But it has no substance.
0:07:42 > 0:07:46There was nothing about the Big Society, no new ideas.
0:07:46 > 0:07:51The things that should be there is the lobbying bill.
0:07:51 > 0:07:55Cameron said before the election,
0:07:55 > 0:07:59that's the next scandal, but we have scandals right now.
0:07:59 > 0:08:03The scandal is about the Cameron Cabinet.
0:08:03 > 0:08:07We'll discuss what has not been included shortly.
0:08:07 > 0:08:12But Bethan Jenkins, it is true to say if the economy is central
0:08:12 > 0:08:17to the political argument, then most economic matters
0:08:17 > 0:08:20aren't legislative.
0:08:20 > 0:08:23No, but in the Welsh context
0:08:23 > 0:08:28we only have a few powers when it comes to the economy.
0:08:28 > 0:08:32As a party we would say that we are disappointed today
0:08:32 > 0:08:36because there is nothing there about local taxes
0:08:36 > 0:08:41and the fact we can't be responsible for our own justice system
0:08:41 > 0:08:44or on natural resources over 100 megawatt.
0:08:44 > 0:08:47We need these powers in Wales
0:08:47 > 0:08:49so that we can make the decisions for ourselves.
0:08:49 > 0:08:53Well, you brought Wales into it, so I'll move on to that.
0:08:53 > 0:08:59Guto Bebb, this measure, or this draft measure
0:08:59 > 0:09:03on changing the electoral system for the Assembly in Wales.
0:09:03 > 0:09:08Do you know whether this measure is a measure that's a sort of omnibus
0:09:08 > 0:09:12that can include elements from Silk Part One and so on?
0:09:12 > 0:09:15Or will it be quite a limited bill?
0:09:15 > 0:09:19To be honest, I don't really know the answer to the question.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22I have responded to questions asked by the Welsh Office
0:09:22 > 0:09:26about the questions raised about the election process.
0:09:26 > 0:09:29At the moment we're not aware of what we will be going ahead with,
0:09:29 > 0:09:33as far as the Silk Commission is concerned
0:09:33 > 0:09:36or if they'll only look at changing the electoral system in Wales.
0:09:36 > 0:09:39With changing the electoral system in Wales
0:09:39 > 0:09:43we know that your party supports that, so do the Lib Dems
0:09:43 > 0:09:46and Plaid Cymru.
0:09:46 > 0:09:50But was it really a priority with all the other things
0:09:50 > 0:09:53you could have introduced for Wales?
0:09:53 > 0:09:55I sympathise with that argument.
0:09:55 > 0:09:59Certainly some aspects of the 2006 Bill need to be changed.
0:09:59 > 0:10:03I think those were political aspects made by the Labour Party.
0:10:03 > 0:10:06I welcome the fact that candidates can stand on the lists
0:10:06 > 0:10:09and for individual constituencies.
0:10:09 > 0:10:13But I must admit, I don't think this is a priority for people in Wales
0:10:13 > 0:10:18and I have doubts over extending the Assembly term to five years.
0:10:18 > 0:10:23That means the Assembly term will be equal to about 10%
0:10:23 > 0:10:27of other parliaments worldwide who sit for five consecutive years.
0:10:27 > 0:10:30Seeing that you can't dissolve a government in the Assembly
0:10:30 > 0:10:33I think five years is a long time.
0:10:33 > 0:10:34We'll see what the arguments are.
0:10:34 > 0:10:37Some interesting discussions to come.
0:10:37 > 0:10:39Let's take a look at something you are interested in, Paul.
0:10:39 > 0:10:42You represent, I'd think,
0:10:42 > 0:10:45the most multiracial constituency in Wales.
0:10:45 > 0:10:48What about this immigration policy?
0:10:48 > 0:10:50The Government promised quite a large bill
0:10:50 > 0:10:54but it seems unclear what will be included in this measure
0:10:54 > 0:10:57because it's easier said than done.
0:10:57 > 0:10:59It's disappointing.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02It won't make a difference with people coming from Bulgaria
0:11:02 > 0:11:04and Romania.
0:11:04 > 0:11:06There will be no difference at all.
0:11:06 > 0:11:10It's just a measure that may have some aspects.
0:11:10 > 0:11:14We've already got laws in place to make sure people
0:11:14 > 0:11:20won't take money or NHS services as immigrants.
0:11:20 > 0:11:24What is more important to the Tories at the moment,
0:11:24 > 0:11:31they want a Queen's Speech that will win them the next general election.
0:11:31 > 0:11:36That's all it is. But that's what any politician is doing.
0:11:36 > 0:11:40But there's nothing new in it.
0:11:40 > 0:11:44The Government is blaming the previous government
0:11:44 > 0:11:49and blaming Europe, and then blaming the civil service.
0:11:49 > 0:11:53Immigration and Europe are just things to talk about.
0:11:53 > 0:11:57That's the scheme of things by the party leader.
0:11:57 > 0:12:01But it's nonsense...
0:12:01 > 0:12:05But returning to the undemocratic system in Wales,
0:12:05 > 0:12:08where Assembly Members lost votes
0:12:08 > 0:12:11but still had their place in the Assembly.
0:12:11 > 0:12:13William Graham didn't win in Newport, after being an AM.
0:12:13 > 0:12:18Three candidates in Clwyd lost.
0:12:18 > 0:12:24This gives the party the power and not the voter.
0:12:24 > 0:12:27I want to stay with immigration.
0:12:27 > 0:12:32Bethan, your constituents are concerned about immigration.
0:12:32 > 0:12:36Part of the reason why the Government is responding
0:12:36 > 0:12:37is because of UKIP.
0:12:37 > 0:12:40But the reason why UKIP are winning votes is because
0:12:40 > 0:12:42people do feel there is a problem
0:12:42 > 0:12:46and political parties haven't responded to this problem.
0:12:46 > 0:12:50My argument to that is the Conservatives are making cuts,
0:12:50 > 0:12:54cutting things that are important to people at a local level
0:12:54 > 0:12:59and then they see parties like UKIP and they see these stories in papers
0:12:59 > 0:13:03like the Daily Mail and they are scared because
0:13:03 > 0:13:07they are on lower wages and it is easy then to blame migrants.
0:13:07 > 0:13:09They are not the problem.
0:13:09 > 0:13:12It's the Westminster Government that's at fault
0:13:12 > 0:13:14and they need to tackle these problems
0:13:14 > 0:13:19rather than thinking that UKIP, especially in Wales, are a threat.
0:13:19 > 0:13:24It's easy enough to say that every concern as a result of the Daily Mail
0:13:24 > 0:13:27when it comes to demonising and so on,
0:13:27 > 0:13:31people in places like Llanelli, Wrexham and so on,
0:13:31 > 0:13:36they have seen a lot of people moving into the area.
0:13:36 > 0:13:38There is a shortage of work.
0:13:38 > 0:13:40These fears are real.
0:13:40 > 0:13:44They are not concerns just made up by newspapers.
0:13:44 > 0:13:48And that's why we need to act on the economy,
0:13:48 > 0:13:51so that jobs are created in Wales.
0:13:51 > 0:13:56And today didn't give the economy a boost.
0:13:56 > 0:14:00Blaming migrants isn't the answer.
0:14:00 > 0:14:05We need it make sure the economy is strong.
0:14:05 > 0:14:07Of course transport is important.
0:14:07 > 0:14:10Of course helping pensioners is important.
0:14:10 > 0:14:13But the economy should be on top of the agenda, not UKIP.
0:14:13 > 0:14:17Guto, we can discuss whether there are scare tactic here
0:14:17 > 0:14:21but the truth is the Government will find it difficult to introduce
0:14:21 > 0:14:24what it wants to do.
0:14:24 > 0:14:28That's due of international agreements and EU regulations.
0:14:28 > 0:14:33There is a danger that the Government will promise a lot
0:14:33 > 0:14:35and will then fail to deliver.
0:14:35 > 0:14:39There is an element of truth to that.
0:14:39 > 0:14:42We will have to wait and see what the details are.
0:14:42 > 0:14:46But it is a concern, not that people are moving into Britain and Wales.
0:14:46 > 0:14:48People accept the contributions made by immigrants
0:14:48 > 0:14:50is a valuable contribution.
0:14:50 > 0:14:53But there is a concern that four million people have moved in
0:14:53 > 0:14:56during the time of New Labour and of that four million
0:14:56 > 0:14:5893% of them are working.
0:14:58 > 0:15:01I don't think most of them are people who take advantage
0:15:01 > 0:15:03of the welfare state.
0:15:03 > 0:15:07They have been competing for the poorest jobs in our economy.
0:15:07 > 0:15:10They are not competing against people like me or Bethan Jenkins,
0:15:10 > 0:15:14they are competing for jobs against working class people.
0:15:14 > 0:15:17It is understandable that there are worries.
0:15:17 > 0:15:20UKIP had done best in Lincolnshire and the reason for that was
0:15:20 > 0:15:24people have been priced out of jobs by immigration
0:15:24 > 0:15:27which was out of control under Labour.
0:15:27 > 0:15:30It's interesting in your constituency, Guto.
0:15:30 > 0:15:33If someone stays in a hotel in Llandudno,
0:15:33 > 0:15:37more often than not the waiting staff will have a foreign accent.
0:15:37 > 0:15:41Many hotels in Llandudno wouldn't exist without staff
0:15:41 > 0:15:45from Eastern Europe and they are excellent staff.
0:15:45 > 0:15:48But we have thousands working in that sector
0:15:48 > 0:15:52within my constituency and yet and there are 1,000 out of work
0:15:52 > 0:15:53in my constituency.
0:15:53 > 0:15:56People in Llandudno are aware that they can't get jobs
0:15:56 > 0:15:59that pays more than the minimum wage
0:15:59 > 0:16:03because businesses can recruit from Eastern Europe.
0:16:03 > 0:16:05For now, thanks.
0:16:05 > 0:16:09Well, you'd have to have been hiding in a cave over recent weeks
0:16:09 > 0:16:14not to be aware of the success of Wales' football clubs.
0:16:14 > 0:16:18Next season Wales will have two Premier League teams
0:16:18 > 0:16:23and Newport will rejoin the Football League after a 25 year absence.
0:16:23 > 0:16:26Wrexham came very close as well.
0:16:26 > 0:16:30There's plenty of speculation as to the financial benefits this
0:16:30 > 0:16:33success could bring to our cities.
0:16:33 > 0:16:36So with the help of the round ball can Cardiff, Swansea and Newport
0:16:36 > 0:16:38expect a bright future?
0:17:21 > 0:17:26Some of the scenes of celebration. Paul Flynn, you were at Wembley.
0:17:26 > 0:17:32How much of a difference will having a team in League Two,
0:17:32 > 0:17:36I still call it the Fourth Division, these days?
0:17:36 > 0:17:40Newport city centre is looking pretty poor these days.
0:17:40 > 0:17:44A football team will not resolve that?
0:17:44 > 0:17:50Yes, it will. It makes a huge difference to self-confidence
0:17:50 > 0:17:55in the city and the way people feel.
0:17:55 > 0:18:01It was in incredible at Wembley. It will be the same in Cardiff.
0:18:01 > 0:18:07There will also be some kind of celebration in Westminster.
0:18:07 > 0:18:10I'm behind all the Welsh teams.
0:18:10 > 0:18:14The only problem at the moment is that Wrexham
0:18:14 > 0:18:16are not in the Football League
0:18:16 > 0:18:20but I hope they'll get promoted next season.
0:18:20 > 0:18:26But there is a lot of publicity and attention in the press.
0:18:26 > 0:18:31It's a huge advantage.
0:18:31 > 0:18:34Swansea's in your constituency.
0:18:34 > 0:18:39Has it made a real difference financially?
0:18:39 > 0:18:45I think it has made a significant difference in giving locals jobs
0:18:45 > 0:18:49but I have been researching to see the long-term affect
0:18:49 > 0:18:52of how it'll help Swansea.
0:18:52 > 0:18:56We have seen that as the Government has cut public sector jobs,
0:18:56 > 0:19:01as Swansea suffers from not having enough public sector jobs,
0:19:01 > 0:19:07we haven't seen this money that Cardiff University has had,
0:19:07 > 0:19:11£58 million, I think, coming through.
0:19:11 > 0:19:16It has been benefiting you.
0:19:16 > 0:19:23Maybe it's a balance seeing Swansea having a boost from the football.
0:19:23 > 0:19:26Of course, psychologically and culturally
0:19:26 > 0:19:31it is fantastic for Swansea and Cardiff and Newport
0:19:31 > 0:19:35but we must look at how the economy can benefit.
0:19:35 > 0:19:39I heard someone say saying that people at the university
0:19:39 > 0:19:42are celebrating these Premier League promotions
0:19:42 > 0:19:45because it brings in foreign students.
0:19:45 > 0:19:51They are choosing an university on the basis of a football team.
0:19:51 > 0:19:54Is there an element of that in Swansea?
0:19:54 > 0:19:58Yes, possibly people are hearing about Swansea.
0:19:58 > 0:20:04Michael Laudrup, the manager, of course is from Denmark.
0:20:04 > 0:20:07He probably hadn't been to Swansea beforehand.
0:20:07 > 0:20:10People from Denmark want to come to Wales
0:20:10 > 0:20:13to see what is happening in Swansea.
0:20:13 > 0:20:17Of course, it is good for tourism
0:20:17 > 0:20:20and the city and hopefully Cardiff will also benefit.
0:20:20 > 0:20:28We can look at teams that have been successful in plenty of poor areas.
0:20:28 > 0:20:34Sunderland, even Liverpool and Everton.
0:20:34 > 0:20:40They have been very poor at times. It doesn't automatically bring success?
0:20:40 > 0:20:46No, but you can look at the development of Manchester as a city
0:20:46 > 0:20:49due to the success of Manchester United.
0:20:49 > 0:20:54There is a case to be made.
0:20:54 > 0:20:58You must remember Cardiff and Swansea reaching the Premier League
0:20:58 > 0:20:59is success in itself.
0:20:59 > 0:21:04For Liverpool and Everton, you could argue they've been underperforming,
0:21:04 > 0:21:11but the publicity and TV coverage involved with the Premier League
0:21:11 > 0:21:15is sure to make a difference for Cardiff and Swansea.
0:21:15 > 0:21:21How did you respond to seeing Newport beating Wrexham?
0:21:21 > 0:21:23I was disappointed.
0:21:23 > 0:21:27I was at the Racecourse on Monday for the Welsh Cup Final
0:21:27 > 0:21:32and it was disappointing that Wrexham failed to gain promotion.
0:21:32 > 0:21:36But Newport had been out of the Football League for 25 years
0:21:36 > 0:21:40and Wrexham have only been out for five years.
0:21:40 > 0:21:43I hope we'll be returning next season.
0:21:43 > 0:21:49I hope that 25 years isn't the minimum of the sentence.
0:21:49 > 0:21:54What can local councils and local bodies do to take advantage of this?
0:21:54 > 0:22:00There must be a role for the Tourist Board and so on
0:22:00 > 0:22:05to take advantage of this situation?
0:22:05 > 0:22:09Yes, football is important at the moment.
0:22:09 > 0:22:13Nothing like this has ever happened in my life before.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16Back in the 1950s when I watched Cardiff City
0:22:16 > 0:22:21there was none of this publicity and attention.
0:22:21 > 0:22:25The news of Manchester United today is as big for the BBC
0:22:25 > 0:22:30as the Queen's Speech.
0:22:30 > 0:22:35Nothing like this has ever happened before.
0:22:36 > 0:22:41There is a lot of interest and the whole of Cardiff
0:22:41 > 0:22:45have come together with a lot of energy
0:22:45 > 0:22:50and it's very, very exciting.
0:22:50 > 0:22:55It's very good for the students as well.
0:22:55 > 0:22:59It's very important that this goes worldwide.
0:22:59 > 0:23:05Bethan Jenkins, what do you make of the way Alex Ferguson
0:23:05 > 0:23:09beat the Queen today in the news?
0:23:09 > 0:23:13Is that a bad thing or is it a healthy attitude?
0:23:13 > 0:23:19Is it a healthy attitude towards politicians and ceremonies?
0:23:19 > 0:23:26I think it is important for many people what happens in football.
0:23:26 > 0:23:29I think maybe there was some spin at play with him
0:23:29 > 0:23:33deciding to leave today, announcing it today.
0:23:33 > 0:23:38But, maybe there wasn't much of interest in the Queen's Speech
0:23:38 > 0:23:42and so Fergie has taken over the news in Wales.
0:23:42 > 0:23:46The Royal Family at its own Fergie at one time.
0:23:46 > 0:23:52That's it for another week. I'll be back here next Wednesday.
0:23:52 > 0:23:56Remember our programme, "O'r Bae"
0:23:56 > 0:24:00on Radio Cymru at 2pm on Friday afternoon.
0:24:00 > 0:24:03But for now, good night.