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:00:25. > :00:27.Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Daily Politics on Friday. Greek

:00:27. > :00:32.tragedy descends into farce with profound implications for the

:00:32. > :00:34.future of the eurozone and the world economy. As Prime Minister

:00:34. > :00:41.Papandreou faces yet another vote of confidence, EU leaders and the

:00:41. > :00:45.Treasury think the unthinkable - Greek departure from the euro. Can

:00:45. > :00:50.it be avoided, should it be avoided and what would it mean for the rest

:00:50. > :00:53.of us? As G20 leaders scratch their heads and wonder what to do, we'll

:00:53. > :00:58.have the latest from Athens, the City of London and one of the most

:00:58. > :01:04.powerful British members of the European Parliament. And remember

:01:04. > :01:06.this? Was the ban on fox hunting really worth the fight? We talk to

:01:06. > :01:10.the man who pushed the controversial legislation through

:01:10. > :01:20.Parliament and a Tory MP who wants David Cameron to keep his promise

:01:20. > :01:20.

:01:20. > :01:30.And with me in the studio is Bronwen Maddox, editor of Prospect

:01:30. > :01:36.

:01:36. > :01:42.magazine, and the Mirror's Prospect is for intellectuals and

:01:42. > :01:45.So George Papandreou is still the Greek Prime Minster but for how

:01:45. > :01:48.long is anybody's guess. This time yesterday we reported that he was

:01:48. > :01:51.on his way to the President to offer his resignation. We even

:01:51. > :01:54.named a likely successor. But those reports turned out to be wrong.

:01:54. > :01:57.He's still there. Though for how long is another matter. Until

:01:57. > :02:00.yesterday afternoon we thought he wanted to hold a referendum - but

:02:00. > :02:03.it turns out he doesn't. And yesterday there was talk of a

:02:03. > :02:10.government of national unity. But there isn't one. Confused? Join the

:02:10. > :02:14.club. So where now for this Greek tragedy? Yesterday, and forgive us

:02:14. > :02:18.for the togas but we had to do it eventually, the key players were

:02:18. > :02:21.working frantically to find a way out of the mess. Mr Papandreou

:02:21. > :02:25.offered to abandon the now infamous referendum and instead proposed a

:02:25. > :02:28.coalition government. The markets rallied on the news but his offer

:02:28. > :02:33.was rejected by the leader of the Greek opposition who called on him

:02:33. > :02:39.to resign. So far he's staying put - no referendum vote. But he faces

:02:39. > :02:43.a vote of no confidence in the Greek Parliament tonight. Meanwhile,

:02:43. > :02:45.in Cannes, the G20 leaders are left like spectators at the feast. Jose

:02:45. > :02:48.Barroso, who's President of the European Commission, has admitted

:02:48. > :02:53.that there is a possibility Greece could leave the euro and that

:02:53. > :02:55.preparations are being made if that happens. Last night, as fears

:02:55. > :03:02.increased that Italy could be the next country to implode, key

:03:02. > :03:05.European leaders and President Obama met to discuss the crisis.

:03:05. > :03:08.One possibility gaining ground is a proposal to increase the firepower

:03:08. > :03:18.of the International Monetary Fund, something that would see Britain's

:03:18. > :03:19.

:03:19. > :03:22.liability in the fund increase. Indeed, beefing up the IMF looks

:03:22. > :03:24.like being the fig leaf G20 leaders will don before leaving Cannes.

:03:24. > :03:30.Speaking this morning George Osborne, the Chancellor, said that

:03:30. > :03:35.was something the British Government was pushing for. I think

:03:35. > :03:38.we've got a day apart negotiating ahead of us here in Cannes. The

:03:38. > :03:41.eurozone have to face up to their responsibilities and have to stand

:03:41. > :03:44.behind their own currency. No one else can do that for them,

:03:45. > :03:50.including Britain. Then the rest of the world, which includes Britain

:03:50. > :03:54.but also China and Japan and the like, have to make sure that the

:03:54. > :04:02.international economic system that is stable and well funded. And that

:04:02. > :04:06.includes the IMF. That was George Osborne. The eurozone doesn't

:04:06. > :04:10.really seem to know what it's doing. Can you imagine a bigger mess?

:04:10. > :04:16.can. So far, this is what muddling through looks like. We haven't got

:04:16. > :04:23.a complete disaster. Just disaster. Just disaster. There needs to be

:04:23. > :04:28.degrees of disaster. That sounds like a good joke but distinguishing

:04:28. > :04:33.between the euro falling completely apart, Greece in a very disorderly

:04:33. > :04:36.way, not paying any of its debts. That may still happen. Yes, but

:04:36. > :04:44.that's different from what we've got now, which is a test of whether

:04:44. > :04:47.the Greek government can hold itself together. Be set up to a

:04:47. > :04:52.shambles -- it's an utter shambles. There's no guarantee it could get

:04:52. > :04:55.better, it could get worse. Trying to second-guess what the Greek

:04:55. > :04:58.political a leader to wing is impossible because they don't even

:04:58. > :05:01.know themselves. We don't know what's happening to the euro, the

:05:01. > :05:06.impact on Britain, we don't know what's happening on the world

:05:06. > :05:10.economy. One thing is certain, the eurosceptics on the Conservative

:05:10. > :05:15.benches have already clocked that Britain, David Cameron, George

:05:15. > :05:18.Osborne giving money to the IMF, rather than the European financial

:05:18. > :05:22.stability fund. He is just using the middleman to possibly bail-out

:05:22. > :05:28.the euro. The it's not just the Tory eurosceptics. Labour is not

:05:28. > :05:32.keen on this either. They've stayed at arm's length from this. Ed Balls,

:05:32. > :05:34.the shadow chancellor, has already said he thinks it should be the

:05:34. > :05:38.European Central Bank which effectively is supposed to police

:05:39. > :05:43.the euro, that should be putting forward the money and not the IMF.

:05:44. > :05:47.No, he has said things which are very similar, not a world away from

:05:47. > :05:50.George Osborne, of Britain needs to support the IMF, but being careful

:05:50. > :05:54.about what commitments the IMF should make to Europe. I don't

:05:54. > :05:59.think it does a lot of good to sit there and say it is all a shambles.

:05:59. > :06:07.It could be worse. Anything could be worse. They could be a military

:06:07. > :06:12.coup in Greece. It could be worse. Yes, but we haven't yet got a Greek

:06:12. > :06:16.default. We haven't yet got a complete abandonment of the attempt

:06:16. > :06:21.to patch it up. In Greece, they look at Argentina and what happened

:06:21. > :06:25.to it when it defaulted, they are beginning to wonder if the best way

:06:25. > :06:29.is to default now. If it only happened in Greece, that's fine.

:06:29. > :06:39.But the contagion could spread across the entire eurozone. That is

:06:39. > :06:46.the big point. Let's get the latest on the crisis in Athens from our

:06:46. > :06:52.correspondent Mark Lowen. Let me ask you a couple of scenarios. If

:06:52. > :06:55.Mr Papandreou loses the vote tonight, what then happens? Then

:06:55. > :07:00.the government would collapse, Mr Papandreou would be forced to call

:07:00. > :07:04.early elections. That is a strong possibility still because, as you

:07:04. > :07:09.say, it is on a knife-edge. George Papandreou at the moment has a

:07:09. > :07:13.parliamentary majority of just two. Yesterday, we had three of his MPs

:07:13. > :07:16.threatening to vote against him in the vote of confidence, mainly

:07:16. > :07:19.because of one reason. Because he called a referendum earlier in the

:07:19. > :07:23.week on the latest debt deal for Greece negotiated in Brussels last

:07:23. > :07:27.week. But within the last hour, the finance minister here as officially

:07:27. > :07:31.said that he has spoken to his European colleagues to inform them

:07:31. > :07:35.that the referendum has been scrapped. That will reassure these

:07:35. > :07:39.three rebel MPs, it will probably persuade them to vote with George

:07:39. > :07:43.Papandreou. One of them has told me she will vote but George Papandreou,

:07:43. > :07:49.so he could still come through this by the skin of his teeth. If he

:07:49. > :07:54.does, does he then proceed, does he go back to plan B and Desi attempt

:07:54. > :08:01.to implement all the reforms and cuts that have to follow from the

:08:01. > :08:06.bail-out of the Greek economy agreed on 27th October? What we

:08:06. > :08:10.think would happen is this. That George Papandreou would get through

:08:10. > :08:13.the confidence motion and would then, there are indications that he

:08:13. > :08:18.may then tried to initiate proceedings to form a national

:08:18. > :08:23.unity government involving his party, PASOK, and the main

:08:23. > :08:26.opposition New democracy party. The opposite party say they want Mr

:08:26. > :08:31.Papandreou to resign, they don't want him to be leader. They want

:08:31. > :08:34.fresh elections. Presumably, any unity government would not have

:08:34. > :08:38.George Papandreou at the helm. If another leader took over, there

:08:38. > :08:41.would then be an attempt to vote through the bail-out deal agreed in

:08:41. > :08:45.Brussels last week to implement the measures. That would be a caretaker

:08:45. > :08:48.government until fresh elections were called. The big question now

:08:48. > :08:52.was whether that caretaker government could steady the ship,

:08:52. > :08:55.could prevent even more political instability year and could allow

:08:56. > :08:59.Greece to ride through this storm and then received perhaps the next

:08:59. > :09:03.instalment of its bail-out, 8 billion euros this country would

:09:03. > :09:11.need by mid- December in order to avoid bankruptcy, and then continue

:09:11. > :09:21.to try to ride out the financial Thank you very much. We are joined

:09:21. > :09:23.

:09:23. > :09:27.Quite a lot of ground to cover here. Let me put this to you. Even if the

:09:27. > :09:31.Greek bail-out now goes ahead, even if the government in Athens

:09:31. > :09:35.attempts to implement it, I suggest to you it won't work. Yes, I agree.

:09:35. > :09:39.I don't think it's going to work. That is why the situation is so bad.

:09:39. > :09:43.Even if what was agreed in the so- called magnificent bail-out deal

:09:43. > :09:47.last week by the EU, even if that is agreed it would work, it's not

:09:47. > :09:50.enough. That's because the amount of debt that will be written off

:09:50. > :09:54.for Greece is just not enough, they would still have far too much debt.

:09:54. > :09:58.This would only therefore delay the crisis a bit. Secondly, because the

:09:58. > :10:03.other linchpin of this bail-out plan, the bail-out fund, I think

:10:03. > :10:06.that has run into a lot of trouble. It was meant to tap the Chinese to

:10:06. > :10:10.increase its capacity, that doesn't seem to be working. I don't think

:10:10. > :10:14.that the situation looks very good. At the same time, you have mounting

:10:14. > :10:18.fears for Italy that are getting worse by the day. Let me come to

:10:18. > :10:23.you on Italy. It is a much more serious problem and a much bigger

:10:23. > :10:27.problem. Italian yields are now over 6%. At one stage this week

:10:27. > :10:32.they were heading to 6.5 % because of fears of the Italian sovereign

:10:32. > :10:35.debt situation. If they had 7% of his game over, is it not? If they

:10:36. > :10:39.hit back and stay there for a few days it is probably going to cause

:10:39. > :10:42.a really big crisis because of the structure of the financial system,

:10:43. > :10:46.the fact that the exchange on which these bonds are effectively traded

:10:46. > :10:50.would require more collateral on. These technical reasons would mean

:10:50. > :10:54.it would precipitate quite a bad crisis. I really think that the

:10:54. > :10:57.eurozone has to try and maintain this crisis in Greece. That is the

:10:57. > :11:00.reason why I think there's been such a big psychological shift.

:11:00. > :11:04.They are starting to realise it may be too late for Greece, regardless

:11:04. > :11:07.of what happens tonight and tomorrow. It may be too late to

:11:07. > :11:11.save Greece and keep Greece within the euro. Therefore, the only

:11:11. > :11:15.chance of trying to avoid a much greater problem, a problem that

:11:15. > :11:18.could engulf the whole of the global economy, is to cut graceless

:11:18. > :11:22.and try and do something about Italy and Spain. The problem is

:11:22. > :11:25.they don't really have a plan to stop the rot from spreading. We've

:11:25. > :11:29.seen the business about the IMF been called in to start looking at

:11:29. > :11:34.what's going on in Italy. That is not enough forced a new mentioned

:11:34. > :11:39.the IMF, let me bring you to my third proposition. It looks like

:11:39. > :11:43.the IMF is now becoming everybody's get out of jail card, it's what the

:11:43. > :11:48.G20 will probably concentrate on in their communique today. At my

:11:48. > :11:53.proposition to you is, is -- it is not the 5th Cavalry. It's not. What

:11:53. > :11:57.is even more frustrating about this is a week ago the big get out of

:11:57. > :12:00.jail card was this bail-out fund. Now that the IMF it. I'm pretty

:12:00. > :12:04.sure that in a few weeks' time it is going to be the European Central

:12:05. > :12:08.Bank again. The pressure will be bound to -- mountain on them again

:12:08. > :12:11.to become the lender of last resort for these countries and start

:12:11. > :12:14.printing money. The problem is they made it very clear yesterday they

:12:14. > :12:18.don't want to do that, and the Germans are adamant this must not

:12:18. > :12:22.happen. So I don't see a way out at the moment given the current

:12:22. > :12:26.structures. It's easy to say, we are going to get the IMF involved

:12:26. > :12:29.and all of our problems will go away. But we can see from the

:12:29. > :12:33.history of the IMF that it doesn't really work that way. Does

:12:33. > :12:36.denouncing you are increasing the firepower of the IMF, that doesn't

:12:36. > :12:41.achieve anything. We've seen this time and time again over the last

:12:41. > :12:45.few years. Grand announcements at G20 meetings and so one about the

:12:45. > :12:55.so-called massive bail-out funds and firepower. In reality, it never

:12:55. > :12:55.

:12:55. > :12:58.really resolve the crisis, it just delays it. And we're joined by

:12:58. > :13:03.Sharon Bowles, Liberal Democrat MEP and Chair of the European

:13:03. > :13:07.Parliament's Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs. Going back to

:13:07. > :13:12.Greece, you told us in July that Greece leaving the euro would be

:13:12. > :13:15.bad for everybody. Do you still believe that? I think if Greece

:13:15. > :13:20.leaves the euro and the EU, then the fall-out of that and the

:13:20. > :13:25.contagion could still be very bad indeed. Unfortunately, since July

:13:25. > :13:30.we have had on going rumbling contagion and some of the things

:13:30. > :13:34.that men were unthinkable on now becoming more -- more thinkable,

:13:34. > :13:39.partly as a consequence of action not being definitive enough forced

:13:39. > :13:43.to has it become the case for both the the German Chancellor and the

:13:43. > :13:48.French President in particular, that have increased leaving in a

:13:48. > :13:52.messy way would be bad. Greece staying in is bad. We are in a very

:13:52. > :13:57.difficult position. They are both bad. We are between a rock and a

:13:57. > :14:03.hard place. It is quite difficult to workout which is the optimal.

:14:03. > :14:07.You could have cut Greece lose ages ago, one thinks about it now and in

:14:07. > :14:12.retrospect maybe that would have looked better. But there is a great

:14:12. > :14:17.concern that if Greece believes the euro that the markets would just

:14:17. > :14:22.think, OK, now we will hand on to the next one. Any kind of measure

:14:22. > :14:25.like that would have to be accompanied by something that was

:14:25. > :14:29.the action will binding close-up of the rest. But what we are seeing

:14:29. > :14:33.here is a failure of European leadership. It's not just that

:14:33. > :14:37.Greece was a problem. The 27th October deal was beginning to

:14:37. > :14:41.unravel before the ink had dried. The bond markets have already

:14:41. > :14:47.started to put up the price of Italian yields before Mr Papandreou

:14:47. > :14:53.had a rush of blood to his head. If the Europeans came up with a shock

:14:53. > :14:58.and all bail-out fund, a crew euro fund that would be big enough to

:14:58. > :15:03.protect the countries that are in liquid - Spain and Italy - as

:15:03. > :15:08.opposed to the countries that are just insolvent, i e bankrupt,

:15:08. > :15:11.Greece. I largely agree with you. If you look at my past quotes, you

:15:11. > :15:15.will discover I was there with two trillion at the beginning of the

:15:15. > :15:18.year. Why can't they come up with that? I think if they come up with

:15:18. > :15:21.something like that at the beginning of the year it would have

:15:21. > :15:24.been easier. The problem now up trying to come up with two trillion

:15:24. > :15:27.is it would potentially undermine the creditworthiness of the

:15:28. > :15:32.guaranteeing countries, even France would be at risk. Realistically,

:15:32. > :15:36.they couldn't go beyond what they've already put in without

:15:36. > :15:41.there being a mechanism to do it, such as these leverage or guarantee

:15:41. > :15:45.schemes. But they are a little bit fancy and they didn't bring out the

:15:45. > :15:53.detail at the same time as the announcement. We are still waiting

:15:53. > :15:57.Is it sustainable for Europe to continue the way it does when quite

:15:57. > :16:02.clearly behind the scenes you've had the leaders of France and

:16:02. > :16:06.Germany interfering directly in Greek domestic policies? They have

:16:06. > :16:16.clearly been at the Finance Minister. They've been speaking to

:16:16. > :16:16.

:16:16. > :16:18.the opposition. They have been behaving with powers. Some of the

:16:18. > :16:22.things with Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy behind the scenes

:16:22. > :16:25.that we don't like that much, and many of the eurozone member states

:16:25. > :16:31.don't like it very much, when they don't know what's going on either.

:16:31. > :16:34.However, I do agree that you had to put some pressure on to the Greek

:16:34. > :16:38.political parties. If you look at Spain and Portugal, even though

:16:38. > :16:42.they were having elections, their political parties got their act

:16:42. > :16:47.together and worked together for stability. In Greece they weren't.

:16:47. > :16:54.They were always... Sure. But you were part of this project. You were

:16:54. > :16:59.the one that wanted the eurozone to be created, and wanted us to join

:16:59. > :17:03.it. You are part of the club class Europe while the Greeks are wall on

:17:03. > :17:09.the ground in austerity. I don't think that's the argument of the

:17:09. > :17:14.moment. Give us an apology. Just a small one. I said I made the

:17:14. > :17:20.mistake of not recognising how our financial market legislation would

:17:20. > :17:24.undermine the fact that we should have had a bond market that

:17:24. > :17:27.exercised discipline. Whilst you have zero risk waiting on sovereign

:17:28. > :17:31.debt you don't get it. You were warned about that at the time but

:17:32. > :17:35.we were told it wasn't an issue. It seems to me the struggle here is

:17:35. > :17:40.that, even if Greece proceeds this, problem doesn't go away. The Greek

:17:40. > :17:45.economy is now 15% smaller than it was three years ago. They are now

:17:45. > :17:50.asked to take even more austerity. This will just rumble on and it's

:17:51. > :17:55.the single biggest depressant on the growth of this economy and

:17:55. > :18:01.other economies around the developed world. If it really gets

:18:01. > :18:04.serious about Greece leaving the euro, commercial life stop there is,

:18:04. > :18:08.because because people can't work out what stock they are dealing in

:18:08. > :18:12.and what it might be worth. point is, there is no resolution of

:18:12. > :18:17.this, even if the bail-out fund comes back on to the scene. It just

:18:17. > :18:20.rumbles on and continues to depress any chance of getting growth into

:18:20. > :18:24.the economy. Italy has to be the point. This is the economic flaw on

:18:24. > :18:30.the your open. I was always attracted by the political concept

:18:30. > :18:33.but believed wait and see, prepare and decide, because you haven't got

:18:33. > :18:37.labour markets Mobility around Europe. You can't move from one

:18:38. > :18:44.country to another to get a job without the language skills. You

:18:44. > :18:48.don't get a transfer big enough that you would in Britain if that

:18:48. > :18:52.country goes down the plan. Maybe Greece would be better in the

:18:52. > :18:55.medium and long term with a default, with their own currency that can

:18:55. > :18:59.fluctuate, because they are now locked into a currency that's

:18:59. > :19:03.making them massively uneconomic. final question to you. The European

:19:03. > :19:07.Union hasn't been able to do it, the eurozone hasn't been able to do

:19:07. > :19:12.it, Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy haven't been able to do it.

:19:12. > :19:16.Did you really think the IMF is your saviour here? I think the IMF

:19:16. > :19:26.can play a useful part in this early intervention. I've always

:19:26. > :19:27.

:19:27. > :19:36.been one of those that believed that the ECB has to be the eminence

:19:36. > :19:39.grise at the end of the day. Where there is a will there is a way.

:19:39. > :19:45.Thank you. As I'm sure you know, this week is

:19:45. > :19:55.the first of the hunting season. Obviously I know, that because it

:19:55. > :19:59.

:19:59. > :20:02.! Tally-ho! I hear you cry. And no wonder, because six years on from

:20:03. > :20:06.the ban on hunting with hounds, the practice is alive and well. But are

:20:06. > :20:15.the foxes? And if not, was it worth it? Adam Fleming caught up with the

:20:15. > :20:24.man behind the ban. In 2001 Alun Michael was phoned by Tony Blair

:20:24. > :20:29.with the job offer of Rural Affairs Minister, and the job of banning

:20:29. > :20:34.fox-hunting. I said I take it you want me the get the legislation

:20:34. > :20:39.through quickly. He hesitated and said that wasn't quite what I had

:20:39. > :20:42.in mind. I thought you could search for a compromise. I was taken

:20:42. > :20:45.abarks because opinions had become so embedded on both sides of the

:20:45. > :20:49.issue, nobody had been allowed to be neutral, there was such a

:20:49. > :20:54.passion. Passionate is one word you could

:20:54. > :20:57.use to describe the argument that followed. Culminating in this

:20:57. > :20:59.protest outside Parliament by the Countryside Alliance, who claimed

:20:59. > :21:05.the Government was attacking individual liberty and beating up

:21:05. > :21:07.on the rural economy. It was very nasty. There was some very violent

:21:07. > :21:11.people involved in the demonstration. I think the main

:21:11. > :21:14.problem was that the Metropolitan Police had been given to believe

:21:14. > :21:18.that these were nice people who were coming up just to exercise

:21:18. > :21:25.their democratic rights without using violence. And on the day that

:21:25. > :21:30.wasn't the case. Inside, just as much drama. Five protesters broke

:21:30. > :21:37.into the chamber, the first non- parliamentarians since the days of

:21:37. > :21:40.Charles I. It happened as hall lan Michael debated with his shadow.

:21:41. > :21:47.James Grey was just about to let them through into the open space.

:21:47. > :21:53.They seemed at a loss as to what to do with it. One stood in front of

:21:53. > :21:58.me and said, "You, hunting, pension, it's all gone wrong." Sorry, could

:21:58. > :22:03.you say that again? Also gone was the proposal for a tribunal to

:22:03. > :22:06.licence individual hunts, replaced with an outright ban. The Bill

:22:06. > :22:11.ping-ponged fruitlessly between the Commons and the Lords until the

:22:11. > :22:14.then speaker forced it through using the Parliament Act. THE

:22:14. > :22:21.SPEAKER: Very to tell the House that I have certified the Hunting

:22:21. > :22:27.Bill under section 2 of the Parliament Act 1911. So from

:22:27. > :22:36.February 2005 the hounds have chased fake trails laid by hands.

:22:36. > :22:40.Some say it is a law often breached. I think over a longer time than my

:22:40. > :22:44.original tribunal the legislation will have its way and this will be

:22:44. > :22:50.something consigned to the darker days of our history. I'm not sure

:22:50. > :22:53.his old boss Tony Blair would toast that. In his memoirs he says he

:22:53. > :22:57.would have had less trouble if he had proposed euthanasia of

:22:57. > :23:00.pensioners. Joining us now from Carmarthen is

:23:00. > :23:08.the Conservative MP, Simon Hart, who used to be the chief executive

:23:08. > :23:14.of the Countryside Alliance during the fox-hunting wars. Is it fair to

:23:14. > :23:19.say that the hunts still continue? And that the foxes sometimes still

:23:19. > :23:22.get caught? Since those days I think there've been 100,000 days'

:23:22. > :23:25.hunting and it is all pretty confusing. Thing package

:23:25. > :23:29.highlighted that. I think everybody's attempting to remain

:23:29. > :23:35.within the law, confusing though it is. Sure enough, I don't think it

:23:35. > :23:38.always works as well as it should. Is everyone attempting to stay

:23:38. > :23:42.within the law? I think they are doing their best in the

:23:42. > :23:47.circumstances but it's not easy. The police say it is very hard to

:23:47. > :23:52.get evidence to prosecute. The dogs do pick up the scent. It is hard

:23:52. > :24:00.then to stop them. It is pretty hard to know whether people really

:24:00. > :24:05.are abiding by the law or are just getting round it? I don't think it

:24:05. > :24:09.is just the police. The judiciary and the public are saying that it

:24:09. > :24:15.is complicated and the people doing the hunting. It is a unique law in

:24:15. > :24:20.that it has managed to upset and disappoint everybody who is

:24:20. > :24:25.involved, whichever side of the ooct. David Cameron offered a free

:24:25. > :24:30.vote to restore funding. I think it was a part of the Tory election

:24:30. > :24:36.appeal. Do you think, do you feel let down he hasn't done that?

:24:36. > :24:42.Should he do it? It is part of the coalition manifesto, and the

:24:42. > :24:44.coalition... Why hasn't he done it? We've only been in office 16 months.

:24:44. > :24:48.Everybody realises there are slightly more pressing concerns at

:24:48. > :24:52.the moment. This is not exactly something that would be top of the

:24:52. > :24:59.list of priorities. The PM has been clear, lit happen in the lifetime

:24:59. > :25:02.of this Parliament, I have no doubt. This is not a satisfactory

:25:02. > :25:09.situation for anybody, so let's sort it out, this time once and for

:25:09. > :25:13.all. Do we need to go back on this and have another vote? There this

:25:13. > :25:18.is an argument for tighten up the law. I remember him predicting the

:25:18. > :25:24.end of rural life as we know it. That hasn't happened. How did you

:25:24. > :25:30.know? When were you last in the country? I go there all the time.

:25:30. > :25:37.You fly over it! I don't own any. Does David Cameron really want to

:25:37. > :25:42.spend time on having MPs vote on setting dogs on deer and hares?

:25:42. > :25:49.you have a vote on this? It is not pressing, but I'm a liberal on

:25:49. > :25:55.these things. You have to set the bar high. I don't like fox-hunting

:25:55. > :25:59.but I didn't like the legislation. It was a shambles. Let me go back

:25:59. > :26:03.to our MP here. If you had a vote in the House on this you would

:26:03. > :26:08.almost certainly lose it wouldn't you? I think there would be a small

:26:08. > :26:13.majority. It is tight. The numbers are in the too bad. There are fewer

:26:13. > :26:17.Conservatives who are against hunting than there were back then.

:26:17. > :26:24.This is nothing to do with your outgoing Defence Secretary? He was

:26:24. > :26:28.a bit of a blue fox. There are fewer now than there were in 1993.

:26:28. > :26:33.Fewer foxes or MPs? Fewer Conservative MPs against hunting.

:26:33. > :26:38.The argument is no longer really about the individual practice but

:26:38. > :26:42.whether this is good law, whether it is appropriate, whether it works.

:26:42. > :26:46.The coalition agreement says it, the Prime Minister says it,

:26:46. > :26:51.everybody realises we are in a really unsatisfactory state of

:26:51. > :26:59.affairs. Let's sort it out. Are you off fox-hunting this weekend?

:26:59. > :27:05.I can't get time off from the whips. I didn't know they controlled your

:27:05. > :27:10.weekend, but at least it will be a good weekend for the foxes.

:27:10. > :27:14.Coming out of Cannes it looks like there is no real agreement on what

:27:14. > :27:18.size the new IMF fund should be. They haven't been able to agree on

:27:18. > :27:21.the scale of the increase. Time now to look back over the week

:27:21. > :27:31.gone by. There's been a lot of Europe. This is the week in 60

:27:31. > :27:34.

:27:34. > :27:39.It was all eyons Europe as Greek PM George Papandreou caused financial

:27:39. > :27:43.shock waves on Monday with his plan for a referendum on the eurozone

:27:43. > :27:48.bail-out. The chaos in Athens dominated G20 discussions in Cannes,

:27:48. > :27:52.as France and Germany gave the Greeks a stark option, take it or

:27:52. > :27:57.leave the euro. No wonder Mr Papandreou dropped his referendum

:27:57. > :28:01.plan. Back at home, GDP figures were slightly better than.Ed. David

:28:01. > :28:08.Cameron promised tough action on councils that fail to place

:28:08. > :28:12.children for adoption quickly enough. The current situation isn't

:28:12. > :28:16.working Work. And the protest outside St Paul's continued this

:28:16. > :28:21.week. The Dean became the second clear Tokyo leave.

:28:22. > :28:27.The offer over public sector pensions wasn't enough to convince