:00:29. > :00:33.Good afternoon, welcome. At last, some good news on the economy. Or
:00:33. > :00:39.is it? Inflation fell last month, but not so much that you will have
:00:39. > :00:44.noticed. Supermarket discounts helped push prices down, but prices
:00:44. > :00:47.are still rising more than wages. We will talk to a Treasury minister
:00:47. > :00:54.as well as the shadow chancellor, Ed Balls.
:00:54. > :00:58.Will the Government halt the planned increases in fuel duty? We
:00:58. > :01:03.will talk to the Conservative MP leading the campaign.
:01:03. > :01:08.The man at the centre of the row with Theresa May over border
:01:08. > :01:14.control speaks out. Brodie Clark has been facing questions from MPs
:01:14. > :01:18.added further revelations about the state of our borders.
:01:18. > :01:28.I am an admiral. And, what is it like being in the
:01:28. > :01:31.
:01:31. > :01:37.Navy? The former First Sea Lord All of that and more coming up.
:01:37. > :01:45.Public service broadcasting at its finest! With this, former Labour
:01:45. > :01:49.security minister Alan West. He is a lord and an admiral. Anyway,
:01:49. > :01:57.first, the latest figures for inflation, the CPI, the
:01:57. > :02:02.government's preferred measure for October, 5%, down from 5.2% in
:02:02. > :02:07.September. As promised, the shadow chancellor is with us. Has
:02:07. > :02:13.inflation now peaked? I do not know, possibly. There was a big blip
:02:13. > :02:19.because of the rise in VAT in January, which hit the budgets of
:02:19. > :02:25.households and pushed prices up. But it seems to be stubbornly high.
:02:25. > :02:29.To come down from 5.2% to 5%, not much of a change. You have talked
:02:29. > :02:36.about the misery index, the combination of inflation and
:02:36. > :02:40.unemployment now rising, this is a toxic combination. As how big a
:02:40. > :02:45.stimulus would you give the economy at the moment? Put a figure on it.
:02:45. > :02:50.We need a stimulus. It is hard when you or not in government and you do
:02:50. > :02:56.not know the scale of the projects you can get in quickly to put a
:02:56. > :03:01.figure on. I will give you one figure, a temporary cut in VAT, 12
:03:01. > :03:05.billion. How much more? We would also do a temporary cut in VAT for
:03:05. > :03:10.repairs and maintenance, which would help small businesses, which
:03:10. > :03:17.would give you half a billion. The bank bonus tax, �2 billion, we
:03:17. > :03:24.could raise that. That �2 billion is more likely to be spent if it is
:03:24. > :03:30.going to the pockets of people building houses and young people.
:03:30. > :03:38.Then, the small business tax cut, that would pay for itself. Roughly
:03:38. > :03:43.what, 15 billion? The Tories like to say it is over 20 billion.
:03:43. > :03:48.20 billion closer than 15? other number is how much public
:03:48. > :03:53.investment you could bring forward. You would need billions of pounds.
:03:53. > :03:58.The more you can do which is reasonable and quick, the better.
:03:58. > :04:03.You want a stimulus that will have a real effect. Let's say between 15
:04:03. > :04:09.and 20 billion. The equivalent of a 1% cut in interest rates in a
:04:09. > :04:15.normal economy. We are agreed he would add to borrowing this year?
:04:15. > :04:21.George Osborne will Barrow �46 billion more than he planned.
:04:21. > :04:29.is over several years. Your response to a debt crisis is more
:04:29. > :04:33.debt? It is a grave crisis. It is not a debt crisis? The fundamental
:04:33. > :04:36.problem, if the growth is flat lining and unemployment is rising,
:04:36. > :04:40.that will mean fewer people paying tax, more people on benefit, it
:04:40. > :04:45.will be hard to get the deficit down. You have got to have a
:04:45. > :04:51.reduction plan, it has got to work, and if you say, it is a debt crisis,
:04:51. > :04:55.and therefore, the faster we cut, the better, you make the exact
:04:55. > :05:02.mistake that David Cameron and George Osborne are making. We are
:05:02. > :05:07.already borrowing �122 billion this year. Why would borrowing 130
:05:07. > :05:13.billion in a 1.5 trillion pound economy make more than the most
:05:13. > :05:18.marginal of differences? David Cameron likes to say, you cannot
:05:18. > :05:23.borrow yourself out of a debt crisis. The Government is borrowing
:05:23. > :05:28.�120 billion this year. borrowing a bit more? Why would it
:05:28. > :05:34.make a difference? What is a sensible pace to get the deficit
:05:34. > :05:39.down? It might order that has been, if you try to get it down too
:05:39. > :05:44.quickly, it backfires, it blows up in-your-face. You end up borrowing
:05:44. > :05:48.more than you planned. Right now, with the world in such a dangerous
:05:48. > :05:55.place, and with an economy have installed, the right thing to do is
:05:55. > :05:59.to get some stimulus to get the economy moving. If that is right,
:05:59. > :06:03.it follows that what the Prime Minister is to link in Italy is
:06:04. > :06:09.wrong, because he has got an even smaller deficit and we have, but he
:06:09. > :06:14.is still cutting it. He is wrong but by what you just said. There is
:06:14. > :06:21.a fundamental difference between Italy and Britain. They are in the
:06:21. > :06:25.euro, and we are not. What has that got to do with borrowing? If you
:06:25. > :06:30.are a single country with your own currency, and you have a central
:06:30. > :06:33.bank which is effective, you can serve as your debts. Will the
:06:33. > :06:40.markets believe that you will get your deficit down in a balanced way
:06:40. > :06:46.without inflation? That depends on growth. He has got no growth. But
:06:47. > :06:53.he is still cutting the deficit. Take France, which has got the same
:06:53. > :07:01.national debt as we have. They have got a smaller deficit. It follows
:07:01. > :07:05.that Nicolas Sarkozy is wrong, as by what you say. Personally, I
:07:05. > :07:08.think the right-of-centre governments in the eurozone
:07:08. > :07:15.believing that faster deficit reduction will lead to more
:07:15. > :07:18.credibility on their deficit, they are making it a big mistake. Let's
:07:18. > :07:24.take a left-of-centre government, the outgoing its government in
:07:24. > :07:30.Spain. They have a national debt roughly equivalent to ours, but it
:07:30. > :07:35.has got a smaller deficit, but it cut its deficit. Under your view of
:07:35. > :07:41.the world, that was wrong as well? They have a non-functioning central
:07:41. > :07:47.bank. They have no lender of last resort. Contagion is spreading
:07:47. > :07:52.across the eurozone. In those circumstances, they are thinking
:07:52. > :08:02.that they have got to show a signal. I think it is the wrong signal.
:08:02. > :08:02.
:08:02. > :08:06.it they are all wrong? And you all right? The IMF have said countries
:08:06. > :08:10.not in crisis in the eurozone, who have room for manoeuvre, like
:08:10. > :08:16.Germany and Britain and America, should slow their pace to get
:08:16. > :08:21.growth and jobs moving. I agree with them. I am so thankful that we
:08:21. > :08:26.are not in the contagion crisis of Spain and Italy. The IMF has backed
:08:26. > :08:32.the Spanish, Italian and French cuts. They have not backed you.
:08:32. > :08:36.am worried about you resent believing that austerity is going
:08:36. > :08:45.to deliver them credibility -- I am worried about the eurozone
:08:45. > :08:51.believing. This could be every PC for turmoil and disaster. -- this
:08:51. > :08:56.could be a recipe. Your plan would increase borrowing and our deficit.
:08:56. > :09:03.You said that. I said there should be a stimulus. Otherwise, it is not
:09:03. > :09:06.a stimulus. I pointed out to you that George Osborne's plans will
:09:06. > :09:12.lead to higher borrowing that he planned, because he will have to
:09:12. > :09:18.downgrade his growth forecast and upgrade his borrowing forecast.
:09:18. > :09:26.This morning, Italian bond yields went above 7% again. They do not
:09:26. > :09:34.have confidence in the deficit reduction plan. I do not agree.
:09:34. > :09:36.German/French bond spread, the French are having to pay higher,
:09:36. > :09:42.because they do not think Nicolas Sarkozy is cutting the deficit by
:09:42. > :09:47.enough. How could you increase our borrowing and deficit and not
:09:47. > :09:55.increase and a bond yields? It is impossible. You know enough about
:09:55. > :09:59.economics, and the lessons of the 20s and 30s, what you just said,
:09:59. > :10:06.economically, is nonsense. In August, when the American debt was
:10:06. > :10:10.downgraded by the credit agencies, their interest rates went down. The
:10:10. > :10:14.succession of short rates and people are thinking that they will
:10:14. > :10:19.stay low, because our economy has stagnated... Of you think we could
:10:19. > :10:23.borrow more and bond yields would not rise? I think they will come
:10:23. > :10:27.under pressure in the end because of a lack of growth in the economy.
:10:27. > :10:31.Do I think that the markets are saying about Britain, the problem
:10:31. > :10:38.is they are not cutting fast enough? They are saying the
:10:38. > :10:44.opposite. You know enough about economics to know that it is much
:10:45. > :10:54.more complicated than that. will have to come back to answer a
:10:55. > :10:55.
:10:55. > :10:58.question. I want to take another mug! Is this not a new one?!
:10:58. > :11:03.One area where consumers are feeling the pinch is the cost of
:11:03. > :11:07.filling up their car. MPs will debate a motion on fuel prices and
:11:07. > :11:11.taxes this afternoon. After 100,000 people signed an e-petition column
:11:11. > :11:15.for the issue to be discussed in the House of Commons. Any vote will
:11:15. > :11:19.not be binding, but the strength of feeling, especially amongst
:11:19. > :11:23.Conservative backbenches, might lead David Cameron and George
:11:23. > :11:27.Osborne to act. Filling up has become a costly business, but high
:11:27. > :11:33.prices are also causing a headache for the Chancellor. At the budget,
:11:33. > :11:37.he cut duty by one pence per litre. He scrapped the duty escalator,
:11:37. > :11:40.which meant above-inflation increases every year. But another
:11:40. > :11:44.increase of 3p is scheduled for January. Then, there will be a
:11:44. > :11:49.further rise in line with inflation in August, which some people have
:11:50. > :11:54.claimed could be up to five pence. The VAT increase last January
:11:54. > :11:58.pushed costs up as well. The persistently high global prices
:11:58. > :12:02.have meant more pain for motorists. David Cameron and George Osborne
:12:03. > :12:05.know any further rises will be unpopular. But the Office for
:12:05. > :12:09.budget responsibility estimates that scrapping the increase in
:12:09. > :12:12.January would cost the Treasury �1.5 billion. Their determination
:12:13. > :12:21.to cut the budget deficit means they have got little room for
:12:21. > :12:29.manoeuvre. This MP has secured the debate this afternoon. What exactly
:12:29. > :12:33.did you want the government to do? Not implement the plant due to
:12:33. > :12:37.raise his next January. I say, cut taxes for millions of ordinary
:12:37. > :12:42.hard-working Britons, rather than for millionaires. Secondly, we need
:12:42. > :12:47.a long-term commission to be set up to look at the price of petrol,
:12:47. > :12:50.because it is unsustainable, it has been going up all the time, the oil
:12:50. > :12:57.companies should bear responsibility. The international
:12:57. > :13:04.oil prize has gone down by 20% since April. Also, we need to
:13:04. > :13:11.introduce a fair feel stabiliser, to ensure that, when prices -- when
:13:11. > :13:15.revenues are high, prices go down. How big an issue is this? It is a
:13:15. > :13:20.much bigger issue than some politicians really understand it.
:13:20. > :13:29.They have misjudged it in the past, and they are doing so again. This
:13:29. > :13:33.will have a huge impact. I think it will resonate. Politically, it is
:13:33. > :13:37.dynamite. I do not think politicians have grasped it
:13:37. > :13:44.properly. They do in the States, they understand that fuel prices
:13:44. > :13:49.are important. We have just heard that the government is not going to
:13:49. > :13:54.impose a three-line whip on this, they are worried about a rebellion.
:13:54. > :13:59.But can the country afforded? They have already taken action, they
:13:59. > :14:04.have already cut the duty by 1p earlier this year. They have also
:14:04. > :14:09.scrapped the escalator that was Porton in 2009. Vince Cable says
:14:09. > :14:17.there are ideas, and the government is not in a position to do things.
:14:17. > :14:19.Can the country not afford it? Figures from the AA showed that the
:14:19. > :14:24.Treasury has been getting less revenue from petrol and diesel tax
:14:24. > :14:28.this year compared to 2008, so the government have been getting less
:14:28. > :14:33.revenue, because people cannot afford to drive their cars. Looking
:14:33. > :14:40.at the average person in my constituency, they spent 17 --
:14:40. > :14:49.�1,700 a year. That is disputed by the ONS, they said it was 600 and
:14:49. > :14:52.so it is �7. If you take the average earnings, the RAC estimate
:14:52. > :14:59.they are paying a 10th of their income on the price of petrol or
:14:59. > :15:09.diesel. Some estimates put it higher. The government to find fuel
:15:09. > :15:09.
:15:09. > :15:14.poverty as somebody spending a 10th Can you give them any comfort?
:15:14. > :15:17.are listening to the arguments. This is a good opportunity for
:15:17. > :15:21.parliamentarians to make the case, parliamentarians to make the case,
:15:21. > :15:27.all of us as MPs are talking to our constituents. The challenge we face
:15:27. > :15:32.is that if we don't go ahead with the January increased, it will cost
:15:32. > :15:36.�1.5 billion in revenue forgone. That is fairly substantial. But we
:15:36. > :15:43.have already demonstrated we are sensitive to these motorists, that
:15:43. > :15:48.is why the budget George Osborne announced... Is that a yes or no to
:15:48. > :15:52.my question? We will listen to the arguments. You said that. We will
:15:52. > :15:56.not make policy announcements today. This is a day for listening to the
:15:56. > :16:02.arguments. Have you listened to Vince Cable? He says our budget
:16:02. > :16:10.position is not in a position where we can make a lot of freebies
:16:10. > :16:15.available. Do you think not incurious sing -- increasing fuel...
:16:15. > :16:20.We don't have an option or foregoing lots of tax increases or
:16:20. > :16:26.cutting spending or taking risks. Is it a freebie? Not raising our
:16:26. > :16:32.tax is a freebie? This is something that has been scheduled, something
:16:32. > :16:37.we postponed from last spring. At a cost of �1.9 billion. So it would
:16:37. > :16:43.be a freebie? Whether we call it a freebie or not, it is an impact on
:16:43. > :16:52.the public finances. Let me ask you this. Same question I asked Ed
:16:52. > :16:57.Balls. In the Treasury's few has inflation peaked? What we do in the
:16:57. > :17:00.Treasury is used the forecast made by the Bank of England and the
:17:00. > :17:04.Office of budget responsibility and the OBR will update their forecasts
:17:04. > :17:11.in the Autumn Statement. The view of the Bank of England... We know
:17:11. > :17:16.that. The Treasury hasn't got its own view on the course of
:17:16. > :17:19.inflation? The Treasury uses the inflation projections made by the
:17:19. > :17:26.Bank of England and the Office of budget responsibility. It doesn't
:17:26. > :17:30.have its own view? It doesn't do its own separate estimate, is that
:17:30. > :17:37.correct? Be it is correct because it uses the estimates used by the
:17:37. > :17:42.Bank of England. When you have got the economy flatlining, you have
:17:42. > :17:46.got inflation still above 5%, unemployment very high and rising,
:17:46. > :17:52.living standards being squeezed more than at any time since the
:17:52. > :17:56.1920s, you can't be proud of your economic record, can you?
:17:56. > :18:02.inherited the biggest deficit in our peacetime history. We are going
:18:02. > :18:05.through a period where we see a crisis in the eurozone and gross
:18:05. > :18:09.struggling in all developed countries. You can't be proud of
:18:09. > :18:14.that record. Of course we would like more growth, but we are proud
:18:14. > :18:19.of having the courage to deal with his big issue we inherited, the
:18:19. > :18:24.deficit, making difficult decisions, to when sure the UK is not in the
:18:24. > :18:28.front line. We have seen countries caught up in a real mess because
:18:28. > :18:32.the markets did not have faith in the credibility of their plans.
:18:32. > :18:36.don't think one can go one constantly saying this was left in
:18:36. > :18:40.a mess. When I had captains of ships, if they said the last
:18:40. > :18:43.captain was awful, there came a stage when I said I wanted a ship
:18:43. > :18:49.to be better and if it didn't improve I got rid of them. People
:18:49. > :18:55.need to think of that. This ship was not below the waterline! We
:18:55. > :18:58.have to leave it there. Thank you. The former head of the UK border
:18:59. > :19:02.force Brodie Clark has been appearing before a committee of MPs.
:19:02. > :19:06.Last week he resigned saying Mrs Major had made his position
:19:06. > :19:10.untenable by blaming him for relaxing passport checks are like
:19:10. > :19:16.that beyond the limits of a pilot scheme he organised. -- she
:19:16. > :19:21.organised. This is what he had to say earlier. I never went broke. I
:19:21. > :19:27.never extended without the Home Secretary's authority that initial
:19:27. > :19:33.trial for a further period of September through to November. It
:19:33. > :19:36.was the Home Secretary who clearly at request and on advice from me
:19:36. > :19:41.agreed that the trial could continue for a longer period in
:19:41. > :19:44.order to evidence the benefits it was delivering. Do your understand
:19:44. > :19:48.what you're saying? You're saying you had authority to do what you
:19:48. > :19:51.were doing and that the Home Secretary knew what you were doing
:19:51. > :19:56.and that is completely in contradiction to what she said to
:19:56. > :20:03.the house and his committee. I do not understand why she has said
:20:03. > :20:08.that. The continuation or extension of the trial was something we
:20:08. > :20:14.reported on, not in the same weekly basis we had previously been, but
:20:14. > :20:19.we had incorporated into the chief executive's weekly note to the
:20:19. > :20:22.immigration minister as an update on how things were going. With us
:20:22. > :20:30.now in the Conservative MP and former Home Office adviser David
:20:30. > :20:34.Ruffley. And Admiral Lord West. David Ruffley, has she committed
:20:34. > :20:38.the worst political sin of going to war with her civil servants? He is
:20:38. > :20:43.fighting back hard. I don't think he is fighting back terribly well.
:20:43. > :20:49.She was justified in following what Rob Whiteman did. He suspended him,
:20:49. > :20:53.it was not Theresa May. But was she right in publicly blaming Brodie
:20:53. > :20:58.Clark before having any of the investigations and before he had
:20:58. > :21:03.time to respond to? Up yes. In the House of Commons, all MPs who went
:21:03. > :21:07.to that debate wanted dancers, their constituents wanted answers.
:21:07. > :21:13.Theresa May had to tell it how it was. She was entirely justified in
:21:13. > :21:17.making her statement. Does she have a killer piece of evidence? Does
:21:17. > :21:21.she have a written piece of paper that says this is what I am
:21:21. > :21:27.authorised you to do and you have gone beyond it. We have got the
:21:27. > :21:33.exchange. Mrs May told MPs that officials will not be up --
:21:33. > :21:37.supposed to go on beyond the pilot. Is it possible Theresa May did not
:21:37. > :21:42.know what the pilot involved? Brodie Clark says he finds that
:21:42. > :21:47.difficult to imagine. If you listen to some of his earlier evidence, it
:21:47. > :21:50.shows that he was relaxing fingerprint controls on non-EU
:21:50. > :21:55.nationals well before the pilot. He said that several times this
:21:55. > :22:00.morning. He has to answer why he was doing this before the September
:22:00. > :22:04.pilot. Who do you believe? It is a real mess. I don't think I have
:22:04. > :22:09.seen such a mess. It is a dangerous thing to start picking on yours
:22:09. > :22:13.senior civil servants. You have to be very careful of your facts. I am
:22:13. > :22:17.very surprised we haven't seen anything of Damian Green, who is
:22:17. > :22:24.the minister who should be close upon this the entire time. That was
:22:24. > :22:27.his job, to do that for the Home Secretary. This is very disturbing.
:22:27. > :22:31.I'm sure the full truth will finally come out. I know Brodie
:22:31. > :22:36.Clark. It is extraordinary to think he would do that. It doesn't fit in
:22:36. > :22:41.with what I know of him. He is not a maverick, he doesn't go running
:22:41. > :22:47.wild. He ran a very taut prison, he was a very good prison governor.
:22:47. > :22:49.With respect... With respect, before the pilot there were three
:22:49. > :22:54.MPs on the Select Committee asking the question were you doing it
:22:54. > :22:58.before the pilot and he said yes. There were relaxations in 2008.
:22:58. > :23:02.That is under the last Labour government. Do you know what checks
:23:02. > :23:09.was suspended then? I am yet to see those guidelines. I don't know off
:23:09. > :23:13.the top of my head. For example, they have mentioned coaches. The
:23:13. > :23:16.Passenger Shipping Association said surely if you have a coach for of
:23:16. > :23:20.St Matthew's primary school children coming into the country,
:23:20. > :23:26.do we need to get every single one of them off and do all of the
:23:26. > :23:30.checks and it made sense not to do that. There was flexibility. Non EU
:23:30. > :23:34.nationals who should have had a fingerprint check, those were
:23:34. > :23:39.suspended. Brodie Clark said that this morning. I think the position
:23:39. > :23:49.is quite clear. He wasn't quite clear what he was going. He denies
:23:49. > :23:51.
:23:51. > :23:55.it. Have you seen the evidence? think we ought to be careful.
:23:56. > :23:59.admitted it for. Normally there is a discussion between ministers and
:23:59. > :24:05.senior people about exactly what is going on, particularly a pilot
:24:05. > :24:09.scheme. If Brodie Clark wins his case for destructive --
:24:09. > :24:14.constructive dismissal, as looks likely, can she keep her job?
:24:14. > :24:19.don't know what will happen. she keep her job? Of course she can.
:24:19. > :24:23.She has been let down by the Civil Service. I think the Home Secretary
:24:23. > :24:28.is toast. I think she has had it. It is a shame because I like her,
:24:28. > :24:33.but I think this has been a mess. He will be run on that as he is on
:24:33. > :24:38.the whole recollection of his regime. The Prime Minister has
:24:38. > :24:45.given his full support so she is probably doomed! She will be there.
:24:45. > :24:53.That is sometimes the death knell. Agreement breaking out everywhere!
:24:53. > :25:00.30 years ago a lot of small boys wanted to be done sailors. That is
:25:00. > :25:05.what is written here! It appears now that many youngsters don't even
:25:05. > :25:10.know what the Navy is. They don't even know what the Navy is. We sent
:25:10. > :25:14.our guest of the day back to school. Some weeks ago I was travelling on
:25:14. > :25:19.the Tube and I was appalled when a youngster in a school party asked
:25:19. > :25:23.me what I did and then when I told him and said I was in the Navy, he
:25:23. > :25:27.said what is the navy? It was a shock. I had to spend some time
:25:27. > :25:30.telling them about the Navy, which caused a certain amount of
:25:30. > :25:35.amusement in the carriage, and some applause. One man said, you ought
:25:35. > :25:38.to do this all the time on the District line. Today I've come to
:25:38. > :25:44.St Matthew's Primary School in Westminster because I want to talk
:25:44. > :25:48.to the youngsters and tell them a bit about the Navy. Good morning.
:25:48. > :25:53.Good morning. I will sit over here. You have been told a little bit
:25:53. > :26:00.about me, have you? You will ask me some questions. Fantastic, I look
:26:00. > :26:04.forward to it. Who wants to start? Do you have lots of medals? I was
:26:04. > :26:10.awarded a distinguished Service Cross. This is a gallantry award.
:26:10. > :26:14.What it really represented was how well my sailors fought, but I got a
:26:14. > :26:18.distinguished Service Cross. I have a campaign medal, I have a couple
:26:18. > :26:23.of other metals. And then I have some grand things called a Knight
:26:23. > :26:27.Grand Cross for the order of Bath. A big star and a big thing around
:26:27. > :26:33.my neck and a big sash. It all looks like a big Christmas tree can
:26:33. > :26:38.actually! Is it a good idea to join the Navy? You have very close bond
:26:38. > :26:42.between all the people you serve with on a ship, and that is really
:26:42. > :26:47.good fun. It is like being at school, you have a lot of close
:26:47. > :26:53.mates. A lot of opportunities for sport. You can go skiing,
:26:53. > :26:59.parachuting, sailing, gliding. You travel all round the world. It is a
:26:59. > :27:05.fantastic thing to do. Did you lose any men in the war? I was captain
:27:05. > :27:10.of a ship called the frigate which had about 200 men. It was involved
:27:10. > :27:15.in the war in the Falkland Islands. My ship was bombed and sunk. It was
:27:15. > :27:20.hit by about seven bombs and sunk at the end of the day. Sadly in
:27:20. > :27:25.there fighting I lost 22 of my boys, who why remember very often at
:27:25. > :27:29.times. Everyone you lose, they are brothers and sisters, they have
:27:29. > :27:33.parents, they have children, it is really quite sad, but they were
:27:33. > :27:38.doing something very special for the nation. We succeeded in what we
:27:38. > :27:44.did and there was very important. You had them captivated! No
:27:44. > :27:49.question. You were the last to leave the ship as well. Let me ask
:27:49. > :27:54.you the big question of the day. How often do you travel by Tube in
:27:54. > :28:03.full ceremonial dress? Not very often! Do people talk to you when
:28:03. > :28:09.they do? One Tube journey from Westminster to Bond Street and one
:28:09. > :28:14.chap said, are you in the Navy? He did vaguely know and was interested.
:28:14. > :28:18.I don't do it very often and you do get looked at quite a bit! If
:28:18. > :28:22.you're on a train station, people want to buy tickets from you.
:28:22. > :28:28.one of the kids ask you about your time on the Titanic? He did. He
:28:28. > :28:35.said what was it like on the Titanic? Do what was it like? Good
:28:35. > :28:41.question. All right, admiral, thank you very much. That's it for today.
:28:41. > :28:45.No more Daily Politics for the rest of the week. We are ready to go,
:28:45. > :28:50.but hard-working MPs have decided to give themselves a mid-term break.