:00:28. > :00:32.Afternoon, welcome to The Daily Politics. As political weeks go,
:00:32. > :00:35.hold on - this one's going to be a bumpy ride. Today, we've had a
:00:35. > :00:38.warning. The OECD says the UK economy may double dip back into
:00:38. > :00:40.recession, and policy makers around the world must prepare to "face the
:00:40. > :00:50.worst". Tomorrow, the Chancellor George Osborne will set out how
:00:50. > :00:52.he's going to try and prove the doom-mongers wrong. The word on the
:00:52. > :00:55.Westminster street is that he's planning a "game-changer" budget.
:00:55. > :00:59.And on Wednesday, unless there's a last-minute change of mind, the
:00:59. > :01:02.unions walk out in a row over pensions. Schools will shut,
:01:02. > :01:12.airports will be in chaos and the Marines are on standby to man the
:01:12. > :01:12.
:01:12. > :01:15.borders. All we need now is for it All that, in the next half hour.
:01:15. > :01:18.With us for the whole programme today is Sir Michael Wilshaw, the
:01:18. > :01:28.man who's been called a "miracle maker". He made Mossbourne Academy
:01:28. > :01:29.
:01:29. > :01:32.Now he's becoming Chief Inspector of Schools. If you have any
:01:32. > :01:34.thoughts or comments on anything we're discussing, you can send them
:01:34. > :01:37.to us at daily.politics@bbc.co.uk First today, the mass walkout by
:01:37. > :01:40.public sector workers on Wednesday looks certain to go ahead after
:01:40. > :01:43.Dave Prentis - he's the general secretary of the trade union,
:01:43. > :01:45.Unison - said there was "absolutely no chance" of reaching a deal with
:01:45. > :01:48.the Government. And earlier this morning, the Education Secretary
:01:48. > :01:58.Michael Gove raised the stakes in a strongly worded speech at the think
:01:58. > :01:59.
:01:59. > :02:03.tank, Policy Exchange. On Wednesday, TUC leaders will call on their
:02:03. > :02:07.members to bring Britain to a halt. Among those union leaders are
:02:07. > :02:13.people who fight hard for their members and whom I respect. But
:02:13. > :02:18.there are also hard liners, militants, itching for a fight.
:02:18. > :02:23.They want families to be inconvenienced. They want mothers
:02:23. > :02:28.to give up a day's work, or pay for expensive childcare, because
:02:28. > :02:32.schools will be closed. They want teachers and other public sector
:02:32. > :02:36.workers to lose a day's pay in the run-up to Christmas. Sir Michael
:02:36. > :02:41.Wilshaw was listening to the Education Secretary. Are you
:02:41. > :02:45.supporting the strikes? No, I don't. We have to face the fact that we
:02:45. > :02:49.have got 1 million or so young people unemployed, looking for a
:02:50. > :02:53.job, desperate for a job. They need to be given the skills and
:02:53. > :02:59.qualifications to get those jobs. They need to spend every day in
:02:59. > :03:05.school or college. They will be missing out. As far as I am
:03:05. > :03:10.concerned, the teaching force needs to think about the moral imperative
:03:10. > :03:13.of giving young people a chance to get on in life. What about your
:03:13. > :03:17.staff and their pensions? They have got a job and they have pensions.
:03:17. > :03:20.There are concerns about the level of those pensions but those young
:03:20. > :03:27.people will be struggling to get a job and get a pension in the first
:03:27. > :03:36.place. What about the day of action itself? Does it have a major impact
:03:36. > :03:41.on children's learning -- learning or is it just a days lost?
:03:41. > :03:47.disruption perfects schools, even a day out affects the routine of life.
:03:47. > :03:50.It is sometimes difficult to get it back to where it was. You had said
:03:50. > :03:54.that people should be grateful, teachers should be grateful they
:03:54. > :03:59.have got a job. There is quite a strong level of support from the
:03:59. > :04:06.public. The BBC poll has indicated there is 61% in favour, so people
:04:06. > :04:09.do feel some sympathy. Yes. There obviously is sympathy for some of
:04:09. > :04:15.the action that is being taken. But there must be other ways of
:04:15. > :04:18.resolving this dispute, rather than walking out of school and other
:04:18. > :04:23.education institutions. You think it is irresponsible for heads to
:04:23. > :04:27.follow action. Because there are examples of heads striking for the
:04:27. > :04:32.very first time. I wouldn't do it. I think the heads have got to weigh
:04:32. > :04:35.up their responsibilities. And the financial settlement over the last
:04:35. > :04:38.10 years has been good for headteachers. A lot of head
:04:38. > :04:42.teachers are on a good salary and they should think about that before
:04:42. > :04:45.turning to industrial action. we will have more on that later in
:04:45. > :04:48.the programme. Tomorrow - as I've said - we've got
:04:48. > :04:51.the Chancellor's big statement on the economy to the House of Commons.
:04:51. > :04:55.Technically, it's not supposed to be a Budget - just the normal
:04:55. > :04:58.updating of MPs about the state of our finances that takes place in
:04:58. > :05:01.the Autumn each year. But it will be a hugely important moment, one
:05:01. > :05:03.which will set out the Government's strategy for promoting growth in
:05:03. > :05:07.the context of some pretty dismal economic predictions today The OECD
:05:07. > :05:13.has predicted this morning that the UK will slip back into recession in
:05:13. > :05:16.the coming months. It's warned the world to be "prepared to face the
:05:16. > :05:20.worst". Tomorrow, George Osborne will tell the House how he plans to
:05:20. > :05:23.avoid a downturn. And if you read the papers, much of it has been
:05:23. > :05:30.heavily trailed. There's what's billed as �30 billion of spending
:05:30. > :05:33.on new infrastructure. Ministers claim to have found �10 billion of
:05:33. > :05:36.that, and are hoping private investors will put in the rest.
:05:36. > :05:39.There are plans to underwrite �20 billion of loans to smaller
:05:39. > :05:42.businesses. The Government says that could rise to as much as �40
:05:42. > :05:45.billion and will cut borrowing costs. There's a �1 billion scheme
:05:45. > :05:50.to get young people into work. We've heard a lot about this,
:05:50. > :05:53.except how it's being funded. And we've already had details of a plan
:05:53. > :05:58.to boost the housing market, with �400 million to build new homes and
:05:58. > :06:02.a mortgage-indemnity scheme. Rails fares were due to go up by 8% next
:06:02. > :06:06.year. It's widely tipped that he'll change that to 6%. And the planned
:06:06. > :06:09.3p rise in fuel duty due in January could be frozen or delayed. If
:06:09. > :06:12.you're wondering where all this money is coming from, the
:06:12. > :06:15.Government's message is you'll find out tomorrow. It's thought some may
:06:15. > :06:19.come from under-spending elsewhere, an increase in the banking levy or
:06:19. > :06:24.changes to in-work tax credits. Lets get more on this from our
:06:24. > :06:27.chief political correspondent, Norman Smith.
:06:27. > :06:32.We seem to have had the whole of the statement on the economy over
:06:32. > :06:36.the last few days. I can't recall an autumn statement, when so much
:06:36. > :06:39.has been trailed in advance. I guessed the truth is, the
:06:39. > :06:43.government want to sprinkle around some good news amidst the gloom
:06:43. > :06:48.that is before us. We have this relentless diet of bleak economic
:06:48. > :06:54.figures. You flagged up the OECD forecast this morning, suggesting
:06:54. > :07:01.we could be in two double-dip plant. What is interesting, talking to
:07:01. > :07:04.people in the Treasury -- we could be into double-dip land. Nobody is
:07:04. > :07:07.saying it is miles off target. They have picked off a few encouraging
:07:08. > :07:14.bits, such as the fact that other countries like France, Germany,
:07:14. > :07:17.Italy, could go into recession as well. Such as, the OECD backs the
:07:17. > :07:22.government's deficit reduction strategy. But they are not saying
:07:22. > :07:28.that the OECD has made a great mistake with their forecast. You
:07:28. > :07:31.sense there is a real fear that a sort of national gloom risks
:07:31. > :07:41.gripping the country. Which is why we have had these pre-announce
:07:41. > :07:42.
:07:42. > :07:46.since in the run-up to the How is George Osborne going to
:07:46. > :07:50.instil any sense of confidence without being realistic? A lot of
:07:50. > :07:53.it will be in the messaging, the idea that the government is not
:07:53. > :07:57.simply going to sit on its hands and wait and watch and see what
:07:57. > :08:05.happens. In other words, that they have a plan. The criticism will be,
:08:06. > :08:12.it doesn't look like plan a any more. -- it does not look like plan
:08:12. > :08:16.A any more. They will say it is more like plant growth. They are
:08:16. > :08:20.trying to buttress us from the economic storm looming in the
:08:20. > :08:24.eurozone, with the real fear that almost what ever George Osborne
:08:24. > :08:28.does in terms of credit easing, or getting pension funds to invest in
:08:28. > :08:32.infrastructure, almost what ever it does risks being totally
:08:32. > :08:34.overwhelmed by what is going on in the eurozone. Which is why David
:08:35. > :08:38.Cameron will be having a face-to- face bilateral with President
:08:38. > :08:42.Sarkozy at the end of the week, to try to get some sort of agreement
:08:42. > :08:45.before next week's crucial European Council meeting, to discuss what on
:08:45. > :08:49.earth you do about the eurozone crisis. Thank you.
:08:49. > :08:51.We have three rising stars with us in the studio now. Labour's Luciana
:08:51. > :08:57.Berger, Duncan Hames from the Liberal Democrats and the
:08:57. > :09:01.Conservative's Sam Gyimah. We have had this picture of gloom,
:09:01. > :09:04.it looks as if it is going to continue tomorrow, on the day of
:09:04. > :09:08.the Autumn Statement. You are not going to avoid recession, so what
:09:08. > :09:12.is the point of tinkering around the edges? I think what we are
:09:12. > :09:16.going to see tomorrow, and the word you used is confident. The
:09:16. > :09:21.Chancellor is going to look to restore confidence in the economy,
:09:21. > :09:23.firstly with the markets. We have burned low interest rates in a
:09:24. > :09:27.triple-A credit rating because of what we did last year when the
:09:28. > :09:31.coalition came into government -- we have earned low interest rates.
:09:31. > :09:39.We need to keep conference of the markets and give businesses
:09:39. > :09:43.confidence to invest. -- keep We also need confidence to get
:09:43. > :09:47.people back into work, hence the infrastructure plans, which are a
:09:47. > :09:53.very smart way of getting people into work. But we are talking about
:09:53. > :09:58.such small amounts of money. �20 billion, in terms of loans to small
:09:58. > :10:01.businesses. �30 billion of infrastructure spending, it is a
:10:01. > :10:05.drop in the ocean. Are you certain it is going to have a short-term
:10:05. > :10:12.effect in terms of boosting growth? The eurozone is probably a big
:10:12. > :10:17.issue... It is, but let's focus on those figures. We have heard the
:10:17. > :10:20.OECD saying we are going to be in recession in the next two quarters,
:10:20. > :10:23.how will �50 billion changed the picture? The government is using
:10:23. > :10:28.its balance sheet. Because the government can borrow at low rates,
:10:28. > :10:32.by reducing the interest rate that businesses can borrow at, it gives
:10:32. > :10:38.banks the confidence to lend. not just the �20 billion, banks can
:10:38. > :10:43.now feel that they can guy had to learn to business. The big issue,
:10:43. > :10:47.and you are absolutely right, the eurozone crisis. Commentators are
:10:48. > :10:52.saying, this is partly Ed Balls' proposal for the economy, so you
:10:52. > :10:55.must be delighted, Labour will be backing all of these plans. We wait
:10:55. > :11:01.to see the detail of what George Osborne comes out with tomorrow.
:11:01. > :11:06.You support what we have heard so far? We are very sceptical. On the
:11:06. > :11:09.infrastructure element, we wait to see if they are new projects or
:11:09. > :11:14.regurgitated projects. Ed Balls said to bring forward
:11:14. > :11:17.infrastructure projects. We will be delighted if they are new projects.
:11:17. > :11:21.If they are projects that are going ahead anyway, that will be
:11:21. > :11:25.problematic. We know it is not new money, the government has made that
:11:25. > :11:28.clear, but they are finding money from other areas. If that is the
:11:28. > :11:33.case, I presume tomorrow the response will be very positive.
:11:34. > :11:37.is about the whole package. Our is the OECD going to say we are going
:11:37. > :11:40.to see jobs creation and growth in the economy? On current indications
:11:40. > :11:45.we are going to see unemployment rise over the course of next year,
:11:45. > :11:48.right up to over 9%. And we are going to see growth flat lining.
:11:48. > :11:52.That is what we will judge tomorrow's Autumn Statement on and
:11:52. > :11:54.the indications are it will not be very positive. In terms of the
:11:54. > :11:58.amount of money we are talking about, Ed Balls was not suggesting
:11:58. > :12:01.much more, your plan would not work either. We want to see a whole
:12:01. > :12:04.package of things, not just infrastructure. We want to see a
:12:04. > :12:08.plan for jobs in growth which sees people in work and the economy
:12:08. > :12:13.growing. The infrastructure is just one element. If the government is
:12:13. > :12:16.going to come forward with four other points, we will be happy.
:12:16. > :12:20.Would you like to see bigger amounts of money boosting the
:12:21. > :12:24.economy? The last Labour government through the kitchen sink at the
:12:24. > :12:29.last financial crisis. In cleaning up that mess, we are rather more
:12:29. > :12:33.constrained. The level of borrowing we already have represents a
:12:33. > :12:37.significant financial stimulus into the economy. Were hearing about
:12:37. > :12:42.plans to open it that the tap further. Real projects that people
:12:42. > :12:46.will be able to see. We can talk about forecasts all we like but
:12:46. > :12:50.when real projects employ people in construction, when we are able to
:12:50. > :12:53.offer a contract that gets people into work, those are real measures
:12:53. > :12:57.that people will experience and will hopefully restore the
:12:57. > :13:00.confidence that we will be backing the economy. Why didn't they do it
:13:00. > :13:04.earlier? Would you like to have seen the coalition government make
:13:04. > :13:10.these plans earlier? I am glad we did not follow a path which leads
:13:10. > :13:15.us into the situation that other European countries are in. As the
:13:15. > :13:18.coalition keeps saying, Britain is not in the eurozone and apart from
:13:18. > :13:22.that, couldn't they have loosened on the fiscal side and perhaps we
:13:22. > :13:26.wouldn't have the unemployment levels just talked about, and
:13:26. > :13:29.wouldn't be having this problem with growth. I think mortgage
:13:29. > :13:33.payers will be glad we have not seen interest rates going in the
:13:33. > :13:36.direction they have in Europe. The coalition government did the right
:13:36. > :13:41.thing as to provide security in our economy, to weather this storm. It
:13:41. > :13:45.is more important that we do the right things now, it than we argue
:13:45. > :13:48.about what should have happened in the past. I am glad that is what,
:13:48. > :13:52.as a Liberal Democrat, this government seems set to do this
:13:52. > :13:57.week. The plan is not working. By the government's own estimates, we
:13:57. > :14:03.are set to borrow �46 billion than the government -- more than the
:14:03. > :14:07.government said we would. It might be as high as �100 billion more.
:14:07. > :14:11.The point is that the government's plan is not working. I think the
:14:11. > :14:15.key point is, Labour's plan is to spend more, which means borrow more,
:14:15. > :14:18.which means more debt. We have seen the bond markets will crucify us.
:14:18. > :14:23.In the last year we have laid the economic foundations to implement
:14:23. > :14:26.the measures that we have seen today. I am not seeing a credible
:14:26. > :14:31.alternative from Labour. The international consensus is that we
:14:31. > :14:35.cannot continue to borrow our way out of this crisis. The Government
:14:35. > :14:40.is already borrowing more, at least �46 billion more, it could be �100
:14:40. > :14:46.billion more. With tax receipts down and I'm up when it up, the
:14:46. > :14:51.borrowing is going to be higher. The -- unemployment up. George
:14:51. > :14:54.Osborne has said the plan has gone out of the window. What ever we are
:14:55. > :14:58.doing, a lot will be announced in the autumn statement and we are
:14:58. > :15:08.getting more detail. It is revenue neutral, it keeps the combatants of
:15:08. > :15:08.
:15:09. > :15:14.the markets and gets businesses With a coalition keeping the
:15:14. > :15:18.market's calm, isn't it the time now to go for a proper plan B?
:15:18. > :15:22.shouldn't be throwing it away now. It's important to spend money but
:15:22. > :15:26.more important that it is spent well for the week to spend on
:15:26. > :15:29.projects to late foundation for rebalancing of things. Let's look
:15:29. > :15:35.at the youth contract, the Lib Dems have made that clear that that was
:15:35. > :15:41.their idea. Are you happy it has been funded from squeezing working
:15:41. > :15:45.tax credits? We will see how it's being funded. Would you be happy
:15:45. > :15:49.about that? You would rather squeeze working tax credits than
:15:49. > :15:53.spend any money? Unemployment is falling in my constituency but in
:15:53. > :15:57.my surgery last week, I had a young woman a masters graduate,
:15:57. > :16:02.struggling to find work, cannot persuade a supermarket to give her
:16:02. > :16:05.a job. It's a priority to make sure that talented young people in our
:16:05. > :16:11.country have the opportunity to work and if that means making
:16:11. > :16:16.difficult choices elsewhere, so be it. So you supported. It's so
:16:16. > :16:19.difficult now for young people to find work and that's why it's so
:16:19. > :16:25.important schools and colleges prepare them for the world of work
:16:25. > :16:31.and at any time off College, is not going to be a good thing.
:16:31. > :16:34.complaint about Labour is that you would risk Britain's position, risk
:16:34. > :16:41.but hard-fought position which says we are paying a lower interest
:16:41. > :16:47.rates than other eurozone countries. Are you prepared to do that? We're
:16:47. > :16:51.not in the eurozone so to compare ourselves to them... Are you
:16:51. > :16:56.prepared to risk it? It would be a risk. Labour is prepared to take
:16:56. > :17:03.that risk? We can't continue on the current course. From the figures
:17:03. > :17:12.tomorrow, unemployment will rise exponentially. It's going to go
:17:12. > :17:17.over 9 million. 9%. That's a prediction. Yes, indeed. I don't
:17:17. > :17:19.want to see any more of my constituents are unemployed. You
:17:19. > :17:23.made a point about the new youth contract was up in my constituency
:17:23. > :17:27.at the weekend, people were concerned about their children's
:17:27. > :17:30.future and the fact that they are not going to have the opportunities.
:17:30. > :17:37.In terms of opportunities on strikes, do think it's helpful to
:17:37. > :17:42.use that sort of language, militant unions on strike? It's helpful for
:17:42. > :17:45.him to address the issue head-on. To use that language? Sir Michael
:17:45. > :17:49.Wilshaw was talking about young people who can't get jobs and then
:17:49. > :17:55.taught me people who have got jobs and pensions, some of the best in
:17:55. > :17:59.the world, are saying we're going the other day of inaction. We had
:18:00. > :18:05.got to look at the broader context. Michael Gove was corrected to take
:18:05. > :18:08.it head-on. Shouldn't he be thankful they have got pensions?
:18:08. > :18:13.The Government is essentially slapping on a 3% tax on public
:18:13. > :18:19.sector workers. It's not negotiated. There was no discussion. They've
:18:19. > :18:23.had them for months now. Francis Maude has not met... I know that,
:18:23. > :18:26.but there are meetings going on. They should have been resolved and
:18:26. > :18:30.is over the weekend. Don't you think teachers are the right to
:18:30. > :18:35.fight for their pensions which they are built up all these years, and
:18:35. > :18:38.these are also tax paying hard- working families on the strikes?
:18:39. > :18:42.They are free to engage in illegal strike, which this is. Given the
:18:42. > :18:47.level of support for the strikes, how few of their members took part
:18:47. > :18:50.in those ballots supporting, I don't think there is the same moral
:18:50. > :18:56.pressure on other members of those unions to turn out on strikes they
:18:56. > :19:00.don't support. I heard from a school this morning when next
:19:00. > :19:07.teachers from, who decided not to close their school on Wednesday and
:19:07. > :19:11.I applaud that decision and I hope others will follow. I'm old enough
:19:11. > :19:17.to remember the industrial action much worse than this in the 1970s
:19:17. > :19:23.and 1980s bull that when I first became a headmaster in 1985, there
:19:23. > :19:27.was large-scale industrial action. It put back education for
:19:27. > :19:32.generations of children. Large numbers of children were failed by
:19:32. > :19:38.that action and we must not repeat those mistakes. Are you supporting
:19:38. > :19:41.the strikes? No one wants to see them going ahead. The Government
:19:41. > :19:45.needs to do everything it possibly can and have to bear the
:19:45. > :19:51.responsibility, the fact they are put on a 3% tax on public sector
:19:51. > :19:54.workers which goes straight back to the Treasury. What we have just
:19:54. > :19:58.heard there in terms of the consequences that can do, should
:19:58. > :20:04.they negotiate more, the Government? Give a little bit more
:20:04. > :20:09.and maybe it will be over? We have a comprehensive offer on the table
:20:09. > :20:13.for the clearly not enough as far as the unions are concerned. 15% of
:20:13. > :20:19.the workforce make no further contributions. People earning less
:20:19. > :20:24.than �21,000 year, their contributions go up by 1.5%. People
:20:24. > :20:32.within 10 years of retirement, no change. Is there room for a better
:20:32. > :20:39.offer? I think the Government has been very generous. The idea would
:20:39. > :20:45.be that the unions were willing to negotiate, not engaged in a low
:20:45. > :20:52.ballot turnout strike. I will find all three of you ahead of a
:20:52. > :20:55.statement tomorrow. Thank you. -- I will thank all three of you. And
:20:55. > :20:58.Andrew will be here tomorrow with a special programme bringing you full
:20:58. > :21:01.coverage of the Chancellor's Autumn Statement on the economy. The show
:21:01. > :21:04.starts at 1200. When George Osborne has done speaking, he'll bring you
:21:04. > :21:07.all kinds of reaction from key players in business and politics.
:21:07. > :21:12.So if you've got any thoughts in advance, then you can Twitter them
:21:12. > :21:16.now. The hashtag is: So when our guest Sir Michael Wilshaw takes
:21:16. > :21:20.over at Ofsted in the New Year, he will be in charge of applying some
:21:20. > :21:22.new school rules when it comes to how inspections work. They are as a
:21:22. > :21:26.result of Michael Gove's Education Bill which recently became law. To
:21:26. > :21:29.find out what effect those changes might have, Adam's been to a school
:21:29. > :21:33.in Sutton, which is in Surrey. An inspector won't call here for a
:21:33. > :21:38.while. Under the new system, schools which good Ofsted's top-
:21:38. > :21:41.rating, outstanding, like this one, won't get inspected any more unless
:21:41. > :21:46.concerns are raised. Pauline become a head teacher in the year that
:21:46. > :21:50.Ofsted was born. I'd been here 19 years and I've seen improvement
:21:50. > :21:57.after improvement. So I think something has to be working quite
:21:57. > :22:02.well but Ofsted is very, it's quite harsh process. The schools that do
:22:02. > :22:06.go through that process will have to jump through fewer hopes for
:22:06. > :22:10.that at the moment they are judged on 27 different headings. Now the
:22:10. > :22:15.focus will slowly be on results, the quality of teaching, leadership
:22:15. > :22:19.and behaviour, so that is down to just four areas. You could say it's
:22:19. > :22:25.quite narrow and I hope Ofsted inspectors understand we are
:22:25. > :22:29.dealing with children in schools and not just units of attainment.
:22:29. > :22:34.The reality for schools, sometimes, is a bit different to how Ofsted
:22:34. > :22:38.portrays it. Inspectors will have more time to do what I'm doing,
:22:38. > :22:42.sitting in the classroom, watching teachers teach. Although that's not
:22:42. > :22:45.popular with the unions, will not convince the value of a good
:22:46. > :22:51.teacher can be measured just by observation. At the school gate, I
:22:51. > :22:59.tried out another innovation. Ofsted's new Web site where parents
:22:59. > :23:04.can raid to their child's school by answering 12 questions. Thisfor a
:23:04. > :23:08.nasty comments. We all go on holiday, and you can read a good
:23:08. > :23:13.review and a bad experience yourself, so it's there as an extra
:23:13. > :23:17.tool, isn't it? Can you see any downside to this? People who have
:23:17. > :23:22.something to say will come to said, whereas people who are happy but
:23:22. > :23:27.have nothing specific to say, may not make the effort to say it. You
:23:27. > :23:32.may get a very skewered opinion. you look at schools as a business,
:23:32. > :23:37.we other clients, customers, and, yeah, it should be as inspecting
:23:37. > :23:39.schools, I believe. In the new year, Michael Gove will also be giving
:23:39. > :23:43.parents league tables in a new format which will contain more
:23:44. > :23:49.detail about how pupils are progressing, which is designed to
:23:49. > :23:53.reveal schools that are apparently coasting, hiding behind the Celts
:23:53. > :24:01.which a decent but not great. -- hiding behind results. And Sir
:24:01. > :24:05.Michael is still with us. Is observing a teacher sufficient?
:24:05. > :24:08.It's one of his important than a head teacher does, inspectors do,
:24:08. > :24:14.going to a classroom and see the engagement between teachers and
:24:14. > :24:24.children. You do it more regularly, I suppose bought up I'm a forever
:24:24. > :24:28.
:24:28. > :24:35.popping into classes. -- you do it Their hair teacher said inspections
:24:35. > :24:40.are harsh. -- the head teacher. What do you mean by that? I don't
:24:40. > :24:45.think so. I've been through half-a- dozen inspections, they are always
:24:45. > :24:49.stressful, but you have got nothing to worry about it you are doing
:24:49. > :24:54.things well. Only it or not doing things particularly well. But
:24:54. > :24:59.inspectors have got to have a human face, the personable people, engage
:24:59. > :25:06.the senior staff, the head teacher, and governors, and are not which
:25:06. > :25:10.find his general. They have got some of the school is like. I mean,
:25:10. > :25:15.this idea that you stop inspecting schools because they are judged as
:25:15. > :25:19.outstanding, is that the right way to go? When they just rest on their
:25:19. > :25:24.laurels? Some might, but what's happening at the moment, those
:25:24. > :25:29.schools which are judged outstanding but attainment levels
:25:29. > :25:32.are dropping all there is a concern from parents, for example,
:25:32. > :25:37.inspectors will look and see whether they still deserve the
:25:37. > :25:40.outstanding rating. Would you want to see those schools visited
:25:41. > :25:44.continually? The head teacher at their said she would welcome
:25:44. > :25:50.inspectors because standards would be kept high. There is a concern we
:25:51. > :25:56.don't really see outstanding schools and therefore they should
:25:56. > :26:01.have a benchmark to judge others, so we need to watch that. I'm
:26:01. > :26:11.anxious the survey system is used so they look at a survey from
:26:11. > :26:14.
:26:14. > :26:19.Oxford without looking at the full picture -- Ofsted. Are they come in
:26:19. > :26:22.now, Ofsted inspectors, without giving all that lead up time. They
:26:22. > :26:26.used to write to the school and say we are coming in a few weeks.
:26:26. > :26:30.it's much better and there is a case for no notice inspections but
:26:30. > :26:35.there was a real concern coming from parents or others about the
:26:35. > :26:40.performance of the school. We build you as a miracle made at the top of
:26:40. > :26:45.the programme. What is your recipe for success? The strong leadership,
:26:45. > :26:52.good teaching, good assessment systems, studies support and so
:26:52. > :26:57.forth. But the most important game is in no excuses culture. If we're
:26:57. > :26:59.going to do something about standards in Our Country,
:26:59. > :27:04.particularly in our most disadvantaged and deprived
:27:05. > :27:10.communities, it has got to be in no excuses culture, no matter what
:27:10. > :27:20.background, ethnicity, you have, so one, we will deliver for you.
:27:20. > :27:20.
:27:20. > :27:24.was your thing? We expected pupils to achieve. Or you would stay
:27:24. > :27:32.behind after school for extra classes boss of you would pay
:27:32. > :27:36.It's part of their contract and they would come in on Saturday
:27:36. > :27:41.mornings. They stay often until 7pm to work with children falling
:27:41. > :27:45.behind. Did you find the unions difficult in terms of these
:27:46. > :27:49.negotiations? No, I've got a good relationship with them and my view
:27:49. > :27:53.is the great majority of teachers what to do the best by their
:27:53. > :27:58.children. And are prepared to go the extra mile. There will be a lot
:27:58. > :28:02.of new information coming, and there were new types of schools are
:28:02. > :28:06.so well that make it more difficult? No, I think it will be
:28:06. > :28:11.easier. What parents need to the Gatt is whether the school is
:28:11. > :28:18.adding value to their children's education. Will that come out of
:28:18. > :28:24.the Ofsted experience? Yes, it will be easier to have parents
:28:25. > :28:28.identifying what is a coasting school for the.. Thank you very
:28:28. > :28:33.much for joining That's all for today. Thanks to all our guests,
:28:33. > :28:35.especially to Michael Wilshaw. Good luck with your job from January.
:28:35. > :28:38.Another reminder that Andrew's back tomorrow at noon with that Daily
:28:38. > :28:43.Politics special. Live coverage of the Chancellor's Autumn Statement