:00:29. > :00:32.Afternoon folks, welcome to the Daily Politics. Talks to try to
:00:32. > :00:39.resolve the public sector pensions dispute are resuming after
:00:39. > :00:49.yesterday's mass walk out. The four main education unions are attending
:00:49. > :00:51.
:00:51. > :00:54.planned weekly talks at the Department of Education. Earlier a
:00:54. > :01:01.government minister hinted there was a "realistic possibility of
:01:01. > :01:03.reaching a deal". EU foreign ministers are discussing further
:01:03. > :01:06.diplomatic reprisals against Iran, after mobs attacked the British
:01:06. > :01:10.embassy in Tehran. John Prescott says he wants to "stop the clock
:01:10. > :01:20.and save the planet". We'll be talking to him ahead of his trip to
:01:20. > :01:22.
:01:22. > :01:29.the climate change conference in South Africa. Not Hull! And yes, I
:01:29. > :01:35.know, it could all go horribly wrong. But we'll be removing two
:01:35. > :01:42.MPs' Movember moustaches live. There will be blood on the full
:01:42. > :01:45.today! -- floor. Yes, all that coming up in the next half hour of
:01:45. > :01:52.television gold and with us for the duration we have the Associate
:01:52. > :01:55.Editor of the Indpendent, Sean O'Grady. Welcome. Now first this
:01:55. > :01:58.morning let's talk about the banks because share prices have risen
:01:58. > :02:01.around the world after a group of the biggest central banks, led by
:02:01. > :02:05.the US Federal Reserve, announced plans to support the banks. The
:02:05. > :02:07.move followed talk of a new credit crunch amid fears of a break-up of
:02:07. > :02:10.the euro. Last night, a Downing Street official said Britain was
:02:10. > :02:13.already "experiencing a credit cunch". It is clear that the US
:02:13. > :02:17.Federal Reserve Board the banking system was about to freeze up, that
:02:17. > :02:21.the American money markets were dump in their assets in European
:02:22. > :02:26.banks and that the European banks were unable to borrow the -- to
:02:26. > :02:30.borrow dollars? That is right, and I think this has been a concern for
:02:30. > :02:34.months amongst bankers and Treasuries, this is another credit
:02:34. > :02:37.crunch. There have been signs of it for long time. That means the banks
:02:37. > :02:42.are so worried about each other that they will no longer lend to
:02:42. > :02:47.each other because of the risk of not getting their money back.
:02:47. > :02:54.it is what happened post Lehman Brothers. A exactly, and then at
:02:54. > :02:58.the banks got together -- exactly, and then the banks got together to
:02:58. > :03:01.offer liquidity. They did what it took, that is what is happening now,
:03:01. > :03:07.it is right, it is a problem with the Americans not lending money
:03:07. > :03:12.into the European banks. European banks not lending to British banks,
:03:12. > :03:17.vice versa. That is the crisis, the credit crunch, a second wave, like
:03:18. > :03:22.a double dip. But the second phase that comes after is more worrying,
:03:22. > :03:27.because if the banks are not willing to lend to each other, what
:03:27. > :03:34.happens afterwards is they're not willing to lend to us, to buy her
:03:34. > :03:44.house, car, whatever. -- a house. The Governor of the Bank of England
:03:44. > :03:44.
:03:44. > :03:48.was part of this, he stressed this morning that central banks could
:03:48. > :03:54.help with liquidity, keeping money in the system, but could not help
:03:54. > :03:58.with solvency. In other words, going bust. That is right, that is
:03:58. > :04:01.an important distinction. It is a bit like a man in a pub, if you
:04:01. > :04:07.have a billionaire who goes in and has lost his wallet, or forgotten
:04:07. > :04:10.it, he can't buy a drink, that is a liquidity problem. If you have a
:04:11. > :04:16.man in negative equity who owes a lot on his credit card but can
:04:16. > :04:20.still buy a pint in a pub, he has not got a liquidity problem, but a
:04:20. > :04:24.solvency problem. That is the difference. Just like when the
:04:24. > :04:28.banks were insolvent, we now have the issue where some banks may be
:04:28. > :04:37.insolvent but more importantly, some countries are insolvent.
:04:37. > :04:42.Greece is pretty much insolvent. Portugal as well. That's right.
:04:42. > :04:52.They are unable to meet the bills and are basically going bust. The
:04:52. > :05:02.central bank's money will not solve that. Died before explaining it.
:05:02. > :05:03.
:05:03. > :05:06.The ASH thank you for explaining it. -- thank you. Now following
:05:06. > :05:09.yesterday's public sector strike, a fresh attempt is being made to
:05:09. > :05:12.resolve the dispute about changes to public sector pensions. The main
:05:12. > :05:14.teaching unions whose action led to about two thirds of schools being
:05:14. > :05:16.closed are currently holding talks with government officials. Tomorrow,
:05:16. > :05:19.the health service unions will hold a similar meeting. Our
:05:19. > :05:22.Correspondent Vicky Young is at Westminster. Has the strike changed
:05:22. > :05:25.anything? It is interesting given that both sides cannot even agree
:05:25. > :05:28.on the number of people who walked out, you're whipping there was not
:05:28. > :05:31.much room for progress. But there are individual scheme talks going
:05:31. > :05:34.on and they are due to continue doing so. The Cabinet Office
:05:34. > :05:38.Minister has said in the past the talks are intensive and making
:05:38. > :05:42.progress, but the union leaders I have spoken to today have said they
:05:42. > :05:46.would regard these more has fact- finding missions rather than
:05:46. > :05:50.negotiations. What happens next is how much pressure the unions will
:05:50. > :05:53.come under to find a deal. They will have to think about whether
:05:53. > :05:56.there will be more strike action in the New Year, the risk is they
:05:56. > :06:00.alienate public opinion, people who put up with the disruption
:06:00. > :06:04.yesterday, would be put up with a series of ongoing strikes with
:06:04. > :06:08.schools being closed over the coming months? There is also the
:06:08. > :06:12.issue of the pressure on the workers, and losing their pay every
:06:12. > :06:17.day they go on strike. I think that is a problem for the unions and
:06:17. > :06:27.something they will have to tackle in the New Year now.
:06:27. > :06:27.
:06:27. > :06:29.Frankie. -- thank you. We can speak to the Pensions Minister Steve Webb
:06:29. > :06:33.and Karen Jennings who's the Assistant General Secretary at the
:06:33. > :06:40.union Unison. What was actually achieved, apart from people losing
:06:40. > :06:44.a day of pay? It was a great day, hundreds of thousands out in town.
:06:44. > :06:49.The government called it a damp squib. I think may have misjudged
:06:49. > :06:59.it, public support was extraordinary. Many Poles have
:06:59. > :07:02.demonstrated that. -- polls. Danny Alexander came before the House of
:07:02. > :07:07.Commons and announced concessions. Iping when the Government takes in
:07:07. > :07:12.what happened yesterday I hope talks will progress further.
:07:12. > :07:16.Talking to the education unions today, if they are offered further
:07:16. > :07:21.concessions, if a better deal is put on the table you would, I
:07:21. > :07:25.presume, advise them to take it whatever happens with other unions?
:07:25. > :07:31.They are in discussions, of course of they can get a better deal - in
:07:31. > :07:34.fact, if they can get a better deal in discussions, it bodes well for
:07:34. > :07:44.discussions elsewhere. But the indication seems to be they may try
:07:44. > :07:48.to do deals and pick of that union and not give better deals to the
:07:48. > :07:52.others. But you would support a deal that would go better for
:07:52. > :07:57.education? We would not expect education trade unions to forgo a
:07:57. > :08:02.deal they were getting. We are in a sector negotiations but in central
:08:02. > :08:07.discussions There are still quite a lot for us to do, particularly on
:08:07. > :08:11.issues around 750,000 part-time workers he will have to pay that
:08:11. > :08:13.full contribution and if they cannot afford to they will pour out
:08:13. > :08:20.of those schemes which will threaten the very schemes
:08:20. > :08:27.themselves. Can you just tell us now, for part-time workers are
:08:27. > :08:31.earning �15,000 a year or less, they will be worse off? What has
:08:31. > :08:35.happened is the architecture is common across the schemes, working
:08:35. > :08:41.longer is common, putting mooring is common. There is a lack of
:08:41. > :08:45.clarity over that. Lower-paid workers pay less, then each
:08:45. > :08:49.individual scheme is negotiated one how that is delivered so scheme by
:08:49. > :08:52.scheme they will look at the issue you have raised... But there is a
:08:52. > :08:56.general point here about part-time workers because the indication from
:08:56. > :09:01.the government is it is wound up to its full time equivalent, if you
:09:01. > :09:06.worry part-time worker in the NHS one just under �15,000, you will be
:09:06. > :09:12.hit. The majority of people affected are in local government
:09:12. > :09:15.and that scheme is looking at that. Yesterday we were told there were
:09:15. > :09:20.no negotiations going on, yet today there is negotiations going on
:09:20. > :09:24.arranged long before the strikes. Their essential negotiations is
:09:24. > :09:29.what we were talking about. there were sector by sector talks
:09:29. > :09:33.going on. We have said that. The local government talks stopped
:09:33. > :09:35.because local government employers stopped because they were not
:09:35. > :09:42.getting any information from the Treasury. The discussions we have
:09:42. > :09:46.been having have been absent of any figures we have to talk around, so
:09:46. > :09:49.really they have not been negotiating, there have been
:09:50. > :09:54.discussions. Government ministers are saying they are positive and
:09:54. > :09:57.optimistic about a deal, are you? We have to see what the figures are
:09:57. > :10:00.saying. There seems to be a disconnect between what the unions
:10:00. > :10:06.feel about these negotiations and the government. Are they getting
:10:06. > :10:09.closer? We are continuing to talk but we are not getting closer,
:10:09. > :10:13.There is more work to be done. in terms of the strike, the
:10:13. > :10:17.government said before and if it went ahead the Deal and concession
:10:18. > :10:21.that was made would be taken off the table. Has it been? I am not
:10:21. > :10:26.involved in the discussions so cannot give a straight answer but
:10:26. > :10:29.there is a danger we get into the mind you sure of this and lose the
:10:29. > :10:32.big picture. Somebody carried a placard yesterday saying leave my
:10:32. > :10:36.pension alone, what they were saying is I want somebody else to
:10:36. > :10:40.pay for it. There is a danger we going to the fine detail, but the
:10:40. > :10:43.main picture is we have to work longer and put more money in, that
:10:43. > :10:52.is the thing that will not change, but the details are being
:10:52. > :10:56.negotiated. Are the Lib Dems happy? I you have the that low-paid
:10:56. > :11:05.workers have lost out on tax credit to pay for the Contra the
:11:05. > :11:09.government announced? That is not what happened. Everybody on a low-
:11:09. > :11:14.income in this country because they are unemployed, sick, elderly got
:11:14. > :11:17.the full 5.2 per cent increase that the Lib Dems press for. The youth
:11:17. > :11:22.contract is an excellent initiative which was part of the whole Oughton
:11:22. > :11:26.package, so it was not like this tweak... I am not sure how they
:11:26. > :11:30.would -- that is how they would see it. Jeremy Clarkson's comments
:11:30. > :11:36.about strikers, saying they should be shot, he would take them outside
:11:36. > :11:40.and execute them. It was a joke? was more of a joke of -- it was
:11:40. > :11:45.more than a joke, it is how he makes a living, I do not know if
:11:45. > :11:49.anybody has noticed that. He makes outrageous claims about things. It
:11:49. > :11:56.is a great way to make a living. I wish I was good at it. Better to
:11:56. > :12:00.ignore it, is it? I think it is incitement to violence, anger, I
:12:00. > :12:07.think there are BBC journalists, correspondents who have been sacked
:12:07. > :12:10.for worse. For somebody close to the Prime Minister it is extremely
:12:10. > :12:15.ill-tempered and nasty. We are certainly going to take legal
:12:15. > :12:18.action, or look to see what action can be taken. One word in your
:12:18. > :12:24.response? A stupid thing to say, he should apologise and we should get
:12:24. > :12:34.on with our lives. He said he wanted them shot in front of their
:12:34. > :12:37.
:12:37. > :12:40.families, I thought I would get that on a record. -- the record.
:12:41. > :12:42.Now lets' turn our eyes to Iran because EU foreign minsters are in
:12:42. > :12:45.Brussels where they're discussing further diplomatic reprisals
:12:45. > :12:49.against the country after mobs attacked the British embassy in
:12:49. > :12:52.Tehran. Jo bring us up to date. Then I will chat to Jack Straw.
:12:52. > :12:57.This is the situation - on Tuesday this week the British Embassy was
:12:57. > :12:59.in Tehran, it was daubed by demonstrators, angry at the big
:12:59. > :13:03.government -- at the government's decision to impose further
:13:03. > :13:08.sanctions on Iran. The new measures came about after concerns over
:13:08. > :13:11.their nuclear programme. David Cameron warned of serious
:13:11. > :13:15.consequences for Iran and the UK pulled a number of diplomatic staff
:13:15. > :13:19.out of the country. Last night the Foreign Secretary went a step
:13:19. > :13:23.further and ordered the immediate closure of the Iranian embassy in
:13:23. > :13:26.London, expelling all their diplomats from the country.
:13:26. > :13:30.Europe's foreign ministers are meeting Brussels today, and talk of
:13:30. > :13:34.new measures on around look likely to dominate. France, Germany and
:13:34. > :13:37.the Netherlands have all recalled their ambassadors from Tehran for
:13:37. > :13:41.consultations and William Hague is pushing for stronger sanctions.
:13:41. > :13:44.This is what he said earlier... hope you'll agree today that
:13:44. > :13:49.additional measures that will be an intensification of the economic
:13:49. > :13:53.pressure on Iran, peaceful, legitimate, economic pressure,
:13:53. > :14:00.particularly to increase the isolation of the Iranian financial
:14:00. > :14:07.sector. But that is to be discussed at the meeting. We continue later
:14:08. > :14:17.what we decided to do. Jack Straw is with us. Our Britain's relations
:14:18. > :14:19.
:14:19. > :14:22.with Iran back in the freezer? -- They are for the moment. I am not
:14:22. > :14:26.going to criticise William Hague. I know, having done that job, that
:14:26. > :14:32.making those decisions is more difficult than commenting on them.
:14:32. > :14:41.Foreign secretary's have more information than any observer. --
:14:41. > :14:47.secretaries. I am concerned how we will restore some semblance of
:14:47. > :14:50.relations, as we will have to. An independent economist said today,
:14:50. > :14:54.very critical in terms of dependency with Iran, because we
:14:54. > :14:58.know a lot about the country, we have some very good diplomats and
:14:58. > :15:03.because the US has not had diplomatic relations there for over
:15:03. > :15:07.30 years we have been able to provide information and
:15:07. > :15:12.understanding of the Iranian system, not always do what the US wants us
:15:12. > :15:22.to do, to the US and other key diplomatic allies. Tragically that
:15:22. > :15:26.
:15:26. > :15:29.has now gone. It seems to be Alain Juppe, the French foreign
:15:29. > :15:34.minister, has called for his actions quote on a scale that would
:15:34. > :15:40.paralyse the regime. Is that going to happen? I do not know whether it
:15:40. > :15:45.is going to happen. One question I have is whether it would have been
:15:45. > :15:51.better to wait before the banking sanctions were imposed, which were
:15:51. > :16:01.imposed by the US, Canada and the UK, until we had do you agreement
:16:01. > :16:03.
:16:03. > :16:08.for does. Had that happened, the UK would have been less of an obvious
:16:08. > :16:13.target and that the non uniformed thugs employed by the regime two
:16:13. > :16:19.light the Gestapo. They once demonstrated against me in Tehran
:16:19. > :16:29.when we were tried to have discussions with the Iranians. They
:16:29. > :16:29.
:16:29. > :16:35.blocked our route out. This is by no means unusual. My colleague was
:16:35. > :16:42.going to Lampard one of these guys. Then we got out. That is not very
:16:42. > :16:49.diplomatic. I was told very firmly to stay in my car by the detected.
:16:49. > :16:56.That would have spread the protests. The Iranian regime is in a high
:16:56. > :17:06.degree of turmoil, that is known. There is very bad blood between the
:17:06. > :17:07.
:17:07. > :17:12.supreme leader, who has huge power, and the allegedly democratically
:17:13. > :17:17.elected President in 2009. One of my concerns over the past few years
:17:17. > :17:23.is some of the steps the West has taken, particularly the US, have
:17:23. > :17:27.been to play into the hands of the hardliners. There are opportunities
:17:27. > :17:34.with the President to strengthen him and yet from the time when
:17:34. > :17:39.President Bush lumped Iran in with Iraq and North Korea in the access
:17:39. > :17:45.of evil that undermined the reformers. I saw their frustration.
:17:45. > :17:49.You're a softly-softly approach did not get us anywhere. Iran
:17:49. > :17:56.effectively is on the brink of having a bomb. My softly, softly
:17:56. > :18:04.approach was getting somewhere. We got very close. It was the first
:18:04. > :18:08.and best example of a co-ordinated, European Union foreign policy it.
:18:08. > :18:12.You cannot put back the mistakes that were made in the past, but
:18:13. > :18:20.there were concessions which we should have offered the Iranians.
:18:20. > :18:25.It was not a sensible to lump a reformist President in Iran in
:18:26. > :18:33.which Saddam Hussein and the madman running North Korea at the time.
:18:33. > :18:36.That undermined them. We have to have negotiations with Iran. It is
:18:36. > :18:42.plain they have made further progress in building up a nuclear
:18:42. > :18:46.capability. Are you in any doubt it wants a bomb? I am not in any doubt
:18:46. > :18:52.it wants a nuclear capability. There has always been doubts about
:18:52. > :19:01.whether it also wants to develop a weapon. They have got missiles
:19:01. > :19:06.anyway. A lot of the Iranians want a grand bargain with the West, and
:19:06. > :19:10.they had an opportunity to do that when buy came in. I am not
:19:10. > :19:15.criticising the Foreign Secretary, it is a difficult situation, and I
:19:15. > :19:20.hope they are giving it thought in their Foreign Office, I am worried
:19:20. > :19:26.about what exit strategy we have from this. Good to talk to you.
:19:26. > :19:30.Now to a Daily Politics annual event. John Prescott talking about
:19:30. > :19:34.climate change. The last time he appeared on the programme talking
:19:34. > :19:38.about this subject was a year ago today. What has been happening in
:19:38. > :19:42.the meantime? It is so an unseasonably warm, it
:19:42. > :19:47.is practically the weather for shirtsleeves will stop you cannot
:19:47. > :19:53.read too much into climate change based on one day's conditions. But
:19:53. > :19:58.this year it is the 10 hottest on record, meaning that 13 of the
:19:58. > :20:02.hottest have happened since 1997. That was when John Prescott helped
:20:02. > :20:08.negotiate the Kyoto protocol which compelled nations to cut carbon
:20:08. > :20:14.emissions between 2008 and 2012. With that end state rapidly
:20:14. > :20:18.approaching, world leaders met in Copenhagen in 2009 to try and
:20:18. > :20:22.thrash out a successor agreement. That was a washout. Now they are
:20:22. > :20:27.giving it another go in Durban in South Africa, but hopes of an
:20:27. > :20:32.agreement are not especially high because there are big disagreements
:20:32. > :20:38.between countries. The EU wants negotiations to start now. India,
:20:38. > :20:42.Brazil and the US do not want to start talking until 2015. Sceptics
:20:42. > :20:49.who doubt the science have new allies in the shape of those who
:20:49. > :20:52.think all this greenery is a break from economic growth. A former
:20:52. > :20:57.Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott, welcome back to your show on your
:20:57. > :21:03.anniversary appearance. How many of the climate change summits have you
:21:03. > :21:10.been to? About four or five starting in Kyoto. Sky will
:21:10. > :21:15.probably go on to Rio de Janeiro, the celebratory year. They never
:21:15. > :21:20.hold them in places like car or Sellafield or Glasgow. I went to
:21:20. > :21:25.Copenhagen and that was pretty freezing. It was not exotic. What
:21:25. > :21:32.are the chances at Durban? Will it be as big a waste of time as the
:21:33. > :21:35.others? It was impossible to keep the legal framework we agreed for
:21:35. > :21:40.the industrial relations at Kyoto and you had to have a voluntary
:21:40. > :21:44.framework. That has now come about. But also the voluntary when you
:21:44. > :21:49.have got to get them to agree to these targets and we have got to
:21:49. > :21:55.have a global agreement. My fear is now the rich countries,
:21:55. > :21:58.particularly America and Canada, they are about to put the boot into
:21:58. > :22:04.the poorest part of the world by saying they do not want to keep the
:22:04. > :22:11.principles of Kyoto. Did they want it finish? They would like to see
:22:11. > :22:17.it finished. It has never been renewed. When we did not finish the
:22:17. > :22:22.negotiations on the EU membership, that stopped the clock. I am
:22:22. > :22:28.proposing that the Kyoto agreement finishes in 2012, keep the
:22:28. > :22:33.framework Boeing, freeze it on the quay at the principles and by 2015
:22:33. > :22:38.complete the tops and hopefully get the agreement. $100 billion to go
:22:38. > :22:42.annually into a green climate fun? That is essential because we have
:22:42. > :22:47.to reduce greenhouse gases in the developing countries as well as the
:22:47. > :22:53.developed. You need that money to make the transfer of technology it.
:22:53. > :22:56.The we will not get 100 bn in this climate. I am sad to see that
:22:56. > :23:01.America in the last few weeks, along with Saudi Arabia, have
:23:01. > :23:07.decided not to contribute to the fund, so we will not have that at
:23:07. > :23:10.Devon. The Saudis have said because these moves were reduced well
:23:10. > :23:18.compensate -- consumption, they work compensation. They said that
:23:18. > :23:24.at Kyoto. Kyoto is dead in the water. It is still an agreement and
:23:24. > :23:29.we are one of the leading countries that has achieved the Kyoto targets.
:23:29. > :23:34.How much of our share of the 100 billion would go in? These are
:23:34. > :23:42.talks we hope to complete by the Rio de Janeiro next year. America
:23:42. > :23:46.is a big part of it. While Bush was against it and they did not want to
:23:46. > :23:51.be in Kyoto, we have now got Barack Obama it says he believes in the
:23:51. > :23:55.science, but has totally failed to get any kind of thing going.
:23:55. > :24:00.whole project is running out of steam. Kyoto is not going to be
:24:00. > :24:04.renewed. The 100 billion is not going to happen, Copenhagen will
:24:04. > :24:09.achieve nothing. You are throwing about these lines of achieving
:24:09. > :24:15.nothing. If you look at Britain between the two governments we have
:24:15. > :24:20.at a 24% cut in carbon. That is a success. We have 2 million more
:24:20. > :24:23.jobs. That is Britain doing it without the summits. You have the
:24:23. > :24:28.targets and you have the climate legislation to implement it, so we
:24:28. > :24:33.have made movement. It is not as fast as we want, but it is right to
:24:33. > :24:39.do it. If you think you have a problem with bankers, the science
:24:39. > :24:45.is clear. It would be catastrophic. People have been listening to this
:24:45. > :24:49.for so long. I am not commenting on whether it is right or wrong,
:24:49. > :24:54.people have had enough of this and they do not take it as seriously
:24:54. > :25:01.now and they think Copenhagen, at Rio de Janeiro, I just a waste of
:25:01. > :25:09.time. I agree with John Prescott. He has had his differences with the
:25:09. > :25:14.Independent newspaper and Twitter and other places. With everyone. I
:25:14. > :25:19.wanted to thank and congratulate John Prescott for what he did
:25:19. > :25:23.during his time in office on environmental progress. It was
:25:23. > :25:27.fantastic work. The Independent has always been a green paper. Just
:25:27. > :25:34.because you cannot get everything done and everyone to agree on every
:25:34. > :25:38.issue does not mean you should not tried. Do we just sit back and say
:25:38. > :25:43.you cannot do anything? You would be out of work and I would be out
:25:43. > :25:49.of work. You are never be out of work. You re invent yourself all
:25:49. > :25:53.the time. You are a one-man job creation scheme. You would be good
:25:53. > :26:00.in the Government to create jobs. There were a million more jobs in
:26:00. > :26:03.my time. We may be out of work after days. We try something
:26:03. > :26:09.completely different and it is really different because with us in
:26:09. > :26:12.the studio we had two MPs who want to shave their moustaches off. They
:26:12. > :26:16.have been growing them for the charity Movember throughout the
:26:16. > :26:22.month of November and they cannot wait to get rid of them. Here they
:26:22. > :26:31.are, lambs to the slaughter. The Labour MP Ian Murray and the Lib
:26:31. > :26:36.Dem MP Mike Crockhart and we are also joins, because we are not
:26:36. > :26:42.going to before and this. Joins from Pall Mall Barbers. Are you
:26:42. > :26:52.really desperate to get rid of them. Cannot wait. Absolutely. Was it
:26:52. > :27:02.very difficult to grow? It was automatic. Mine was just stuck on.
:27:02. > :27:14.
:27:14. > :27:23.Let's see how quick it is. We don't Was about the cuts the Liberal
:27:23. > :27:28.Democrats are promising at the next election? I had to ask you that.
:27:28. > :27:36.George, you can start on him as well. That only took about 30
:27:36. > :27:44.seconds. It is fantastic. Will you do it next year? Absolutely not, it
:27:44. > :27:53.raised a lot of money, but it was a big commitment. My one looks very
:27:53. > :28:01.creepy because it will not grow here. I have tried it. I looked
:28:01. > :28:06.like an incredibly sleazy character, so I have never tried again. I saw
:28:06. > :28:11.all these people with beards and moustaches and I wondered what they
:28:11. > :28:18.were doing! You are cleanly shaven. Well done and thank you for coming
:28:18. > :28:22.on the programme. I am just glad I have got my hair on top. We have
:28:22. > :28:31.got to pick the winner from yesterday's guess the year
:28:31. > :28:39.competition. The answer was 1954. You have got to pick one out. It