:00:25. > :00:29.Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Daily Politics. The Prime Minister
:00:29. > :00:34.is off to Brussels. His backbenchers want him to fight
:00:34. > :00:40.tooth and claw to defend British interests and bring something back.
:00:40. > :00:43.But is there anything he can do? Any piece of paper he can wave on
:00:43. > :00:50.his return that will satisfy their blood lust for a referendum on
:00:50. > :00:54.leaving Europe? How difficult is it to get into Britain without a
:00:54. > :00:58.passport? Well, apparently all you have to do is get as far as
:00:58. > :01:01.Brussels, buy a ticket to Lille, and simply don't get off the train!
:01:01. > :01:04.We'll find out why this so-called loophole is so difficult to close.
:01:04. > :01:14.And, are the British tabloids a force for good? We'll ask one of
:01:14. > :01:21.
:01:21. > :01:25.And here he is. With us for the duration, red-top legend that is
:01:25. > :01:35.Kelvin Mackenzie. So, if you have any thoughts or comments on
:01:35. > :01:40.
:01:40. > :01:43.anything we are discussing, then But first, that story over just how
:01:43. > :01:46.easy it is to get into Britain without the bother of having to
:01:46. > :01:50.carry a passport. Apparently, you don't need one to get from Brussels
:01:50. > :01:53.to Lille on the Eurostar. And once you are on the train, there is,
:01:53. > :01:56.unbelievably, nothing to stop you just sitting there until you get to
:01:56. > :02:06.London. In the words of Richard Littlejohn, is this one you just
:02:06. > :02:11.
:02:11. > :02:19.I had no idea bus-stop when you get into the detail of its creditors
:02:19. > :02:23.more shocking. The border guards knew it was going on. They
:02:23. > :02:29.recognise two Iranians who are going to try to push their way
:02:29. > :02:33.through into the UK. They stop them and point them out to the Belgian
:02:33. > :02:40.police. They say, you cannot do anything and we could actually
:02:40. > :02:49.arrest you for trying to stop these two Iranians coming to your land.
:02:49. > :02:54.This is one of the bad MRS of Europe as it stands. When there was
:02:54. > :03:01.a 17 and a 10, these kinds of issues would grow and grow. This is
:03:01. > :03:07.another example of a two-track Europe. We're outside the Shelton
:03:07. > :03:13.agreement. What can the Government actually do? They are heading our
:03:13. > :03:19.way. At St Pancras, they could have a massive checking system. I would
:03:19. > :03:22.be in favour of it. This second thing is, we could actually not
:03:22. > :03:27.have a benefit system which encourages the rest of the world to
:03:27. > :03:32.think they can come here. Why don't they want to stay in Belgium and
:03:32. > :03:39.France? We should do two things at the centre but we should be tough
:03:39. > :03:43.about it. One thing I despair about any government, nobody actually
:03:43. > :03:50.embraces what ordinary people's common sense would tell them. We
:03:51. > :03:56.should do something about this kind of stuff. It is beyond me. It is a
:03:56. > :04:03.vote-winner. Why don't they say, we are going to go...? We are going to
:04:03. > :04:10.send armed guards to Lille and shoot them. Before you do say
:04:10. > :04:15.something we should not on the programme... Like invade Belgium!
:04:15. > :04:17.Don't you start. Move on briefly to the other story that has emerged
:04:17. > :04:26.and this is a move to the Government in terms of proposals
:04:26. > :04:33.being offered to NHS workers. Up until now, they said anyone earning
:04:33. > :04:40.under 15,000 will not have to pay contributions. Now it is 26 and a
:04:40. > :04:46.half 1000 pounds. Will it be enough? -- �26,500. The Government
:04:46. > :04:52.has moved. Obviously they want a deal. I am astonished that the
:04:52. > :04:58.Government moved at all. They want a deal. Fantastic! The kind of
:04:58. > :05:03.offer that, in private industry, you would not have come within 1000
:05:03. > :05:08.miles off. If the finance director says, we are stopping the final
:05:08. > :05:15.salary, that is your lot, you get on with it. Why do state workers
:05:15. > :05:21.get preferment? Why are 23 million of us who are outside the system
:05:21. > :05:27.having to fund it? I think we know where he stands on the deal. He is
:05:27. > :05:37.sitting on the fence were stuck the unions do not agree with you.
:05:37. > :05:38.
:05:38. > :05:43.the fence. The unions do not agree with Kelvin MacKenzie. The Bank of
:05:43. > :05:49.England has announced that interest rates are staying at 0.5%. No
:05:49. > :05:59.surprise. Most City analysts expect interest rates to stay at that rate
:05:59. > :06:02.
:06:02. > :06:07.for all of 2012. QED is at 275 billion as well. -- quantitative
:06:07. > :06:13.easing. It is the economy and the main stories to do with that is the
:06:13. > :06:16.big summit in Brussels. Yesterday, at PMQs, Tory backbenchers lined up
:06:16. > :06:19.to urge the Prime Minister to show bulldog spirit in speaking up for
:06:19. > :06:25.British interests in the face of French and German proposals to
:06:25. > :06:28.rewrite the way the eurozone operates. Well, severe gales are
:06:28. > :06:31.buffeting the country today and it is likely to be pretty stormy over
:06:31. > :06:35.the Channel in Brussels for, wait for it, another make or break
:06:35. > :06:37.summit to save the euro. Key to the discussion is how to bring enough
:06:37. > :06:41.budgetary discipline into the eurozone to stop anything like the
:06:41. > :06:45.current crisis happening again. Germany and France argue this needs
:06:45. > :06:48.to be enforced by a change in the existing EU treaties and they want
:06:48. > :06:50.to see the European Commission have new powers to impose penalties on
:06:50. > :07:00.eurozone countries that have large budget deficits as well as having
:07:00. > :07:02.common corporation and financial Some see this as the creation of
:07:02. > :07:06.what is effectively a new country, which would have profound
:07:06. > :07:09.implications for our relationship to the rest of Europe. David
:07:09. > :07:14.Cameron is desperate to avoid any major treaty change that could lead
:07:14. > :07:17.to demands for a referendum here in the UK. Something that both London
:07:17. > :07:21.Mayor Boris Johnson and the Northern Ireland Secretary Owen
:07:21. > :07:24.Paterson have said could be necessary. However, Downing Street
:07:24. > :07:28.have made it clear that, whilst any new treaty may need to go through
:07:29. > :07:32.Parliament, it is unlikely there would be any need for a referendum.
:07:32. > :07:39.The Prime Minister is also under huge pressure from within his party
:07:39. > :07:42.to claw back powers from Europe in return for any concessions. However,
:07:42. > :07:45.France and Germany appear unwilling to help out him out, which could
:07:45. > :07:48.mean the 17 countries of the eurozone going it alone and
:07:48. > :07:56.adopting their own treaty. And our political correspondent, Iain
:07:56. > :08:06.Watson, is in Brussels for us now. In terms of the Government, what is
:08:06. > :08:11.worse for David Cameron? I think he is stuck. He will be here in a few
:08:11. > :08:15.hours' time. I have got here rather ahead of him. It even if he lives
:08:15. > :08:20.here and a deal is done to stabilise the euro, I have spoken
:08:20. > :08:26.to a whole range of Euro-sceptic backbenchers. They said, even if he
:08:26. > :08:30.comes back and declares victory, we will see it as the FT. It is not
:08:30. > :08:35.enough to safeguard British interests over the City of London.
:08:35. > :08:40.-- defeat. They want to see him coming back here and using this
:08:40. > :08:48.process to get powers back from Brussels. That seems unlikely. Some
:08:48. > :08:54.people want to see a referendum. Up the Merkozy proposals are quite
:08:54. > :08:58.major. Even a couple of people in the Cabinet will argue it is so
:08:59. > :09:03.major it would trigger a referendum in the UK. That is not what David
:09:03. > :09:09.Cameron wants to see and it is not what Lib Dem ministers want to see.
:09:09. > :09:15.It would put the whole coalition on the rocks. It is a very limited,
:09:15. > :09:20.very minor treaty change. The second battle he has to face is
:09:20. > :09:25.what he the -- what it will take for the French and Germans to stand
:09:25. > :09:28.up for British interests? They are saying the very minimum demands
:09:28. > :09:32.about protecting the City of London is not something they were
:09:32. > :09:41.necessarily agree with. They will stay here as long as it takes to
:09:42. > :09:51.get the kind of agreement they want and Britain is poor full tour of
:09:52. > :09:59.
:09:59. > :10:04.Anyway it is the 7th European summit Fisher. Six have come up so
:10:04. > :10:09.far with completely comprehensive plans to sort out the European
:10:09. > :10:12.crisis so no doubt the 7th will as well. With us now is the
:10:12. > :10:15.Conservative MP, Bernard Jenkin, who has written in today's Guardian
:10:15. > :10:19.that this summit represents the end game for the European Union as we
:10:19. > :10:27.know it. We also have the former Lib Dem leader, Ming Campbell, and
:10:27. > :10:32.the Conservative MP, Nick Boles. What do you want Mr Cameron to come
:10:32. > :10:38.back with from Brussels? He should make it clear that he has done his
:10:38. > :10:43.best to help our European partners through this crisis. The changes
:10:43. > :10:48.they are now proposing, they may not have a direct legal impact on
:10:48. > :10:53.the United Kingdom that they will have a big impact on our relations
:10:53. > :10:59.with the European Union. He will need to consult with Parliament and
:10:59. > :11:05.with the British people on this. Ultimately there will need to be a
:11:05. > :11:09.referendum. He should stop fiscal union going ahead? No. These treaty
:11:09. > :11:14.changes will take months. He should come back with an agreement in
:11:14. > :11:17.principle that we need a new relationship with the European
:11:17. > :11:23.Union. It should be based on the principle that the laws of this
:11:23. > :11:29.land to be made by people who are elected and are directly affected
:11:29. > :11:34.by them. If European institutions in this new economic state will be
:11:34. > :11:39.working for the 17, they will not be working for us. I still do not
:11:39. > :11:43.know what you want to bring back. want to bring back an agreement
:11:43. > :11:48.that Parliament will decide what applies to the European Union in
:11:49. > :11:51.this country. You want us to leave the European Union? It is up to
:11:51. > :11:56.Parliament and the Government of the day to negotiate with the
:11:56. > :12:03.European Union as to what applies - what rules apply and what do not.
:12:03. > :12:07.We want to remain in the customs union. I would suggest that Bernard
:12:07. > :12:13.Jenkin, Santa is not going to bring him what he wants this Christmas.
:12:13. > :12:19.His endgame can only result in being out. If that is what they all
:12:19. > :12:24.say. I have just been in America for three days. Everywhere I went
:12:24. > :12:29.much members of Congress, reporters, commentators, are you going to
:12:29. > :12:35.solve the eurozone crisis? It is an important component in the economic
:12:35. > :12:40.recovery of the United States. It is also important about the
:12:40. > :12:47.possibility of Barack Obama being elected. If the agreement founders
:12:47. > :12:53.because of an argument about the time directive on the fishing
:12:53. > :12:59.policy, then our allies... You want powers repatriated. These are the
:12:59. > :13:02.kinds of powers that people talk about. If it fails because of that,
:13:02. > :13:07.our friends in the United States were not understand what we have
:13:07. > :13:11.done. What do you want the Prime Minister to bring back? As a rule,
:13:11. > :13:18.Bernard has been more right on this issue than Ming Campbell for the
:13:18. > :13:23.last 20 years. My defence is one of tactics and cunning. Today is the
:13:23. > :13:28.moment of maximum economic danger for Britain. Retail sales are
:13:28. > :13:33.falling, Brazil has stalled, China has stalled. The entire global
:13:33. > :13:39.economy is sitting on the edge of an abyss. We need to protect our
:13:39. > :13:44.economy and jobs but getting this crisis fixed. We need to come to
:13:44. > :13:50.that after we have saved our economy. What do you want him to
:13:50. > :13:59.bring back? What I want David Cameron to do is to protect our
:13:59. > :14:03.economy, Protect our jobs. That is the moment - protecting the City of
:14:03. > :14:08.London. He needs to get a solution to the crisis so the entire
:14:08. > :14:18.European economy does not fall apart. It is much more serious than
:14:18. > :14:19.
:14:19. > :14:22.in 2008. The priority is to save the eurozone. Otherwise we will or
:14:22. > :14:27.head into a recession and a depression and then come back to
:14:27. > :14:31.what you want to raise at a more appropriate time. The idea it will
:14:31. > :14:36.be easier to discuss this after they had done and dusted everything
:14:36. > :14:40.is absolutely ludicrous. There is no need for this to hold up the
:14:40. > :14:45.European Union. We're not talking about a whole lot of detailed,
:14:45. > :14:50.complex things like fishing law. It has to be a general decision that
:14:50. > :14:58.our membership will be conducted on a different principle. Why wouldn't
:14:58. > :15:02.everyone else wants that? -- want. Can I just finished my point? If
:15:02. > :15:12.they were to agreed that in principle, there is no need to hold
:15:12. > :15:15.
:15:15. > :15:19.up anything. All the data could There are two important principles,
:15:19. > :15:23.proportionality and subsidiarity. That means Brussels does not do
:15:23. > :15:26.what cannot be done better by individual states. These are
:15:26. > :15:30.technically part of the jurisprudence of the European Union.
:15:30. > :15:33.We want to have an emphasis on these things. They are entirely
:15:33. > :15:38.consistent with localism. They would stop some of the gold plating,
:15:38. > :15:42.which goes on when European Union proposals reach the United Kingdom,
:15:42. > :15:47.and they would bring about the reform of the European Union, which
:15:47. > :15:51.everyone accepts is necessary, but cannot be done by the kind of
:15:51. > :15:56.apocalyptic suggestions made by Bernard. If Bernard Jenkin got his
:15:56. > :16:01.way, he may be right, maybe not, but we will no longer be a member
:16:01. > :16:04.of the European Union if he gets his way. That would be true if we
:16:04. > :16:09.go about it in the way that Bernard is suggesting. But it is not
:16:09. > :16:14.necessarily true. But we are going to have to work out an entirely new
:16:14. > :16:18.kind of relationship, and that is a big exercise. It offers huge
:16:18. > :16:21.opportunities for Britain, but it is going to take two or three years.
:16:21. > :16:26.It is not the work of a weekend when the global economy is on a
:16:26. > :16:30.precipice. But the Lib Dems have nothing to say about what our
:16:30. > :16:35.relationship would be with Europe if there was a new, central, pal
:16:36. > :16:42.full eurozone, of which we would not be part. It does change the
:16:42. > :16:48.whole dynamic... It certainly makes for an inner core and an outer core.
:16:48. > :16:53.But it certainly does not stand in the way of relationship up to but
:16:53. > :16:57.not including membership of the single currency. We will be
:16:57. > :17:02.outvoted on every issue. remember, there are 10 countries in
:17:02. > :17:07.the EU who are not members. last time I looked, 17 is higher
:17:07. > :17:11.than 10, so we get outvoted. lots of majority decisions are
:17:11. > :17:16.required to be made. There are plenty of allies to be found
:17:16. > :17:20.outside the 17, if we really want to change the philosophy and the
:17:20. > :17:24.practicalities. All the briefing I got this morning was that it was
:17:24. > :17:30.26-1, even the Polish, the Hungarians, the Danish, have lined
:17:30. > :17:34.up. Why is that? The reason why is because the British Prime Minister,
:17:34. > :17:41.yesterday at PMQs, and today again, has been substantially undermined
:17:41. > :17:46.by his own party. Rubbish. We're back to John Major and the bustards.
:17:46. > :17:52.Thank you very much. There is going to be a lot of bustards. The people
:17:52. > :17:58.I know among Tory MPs say that when the voting happens, it will be well
:17:58. > :18:05.into the 120s, 140s. So when the voting goes through Parliament on
:18:05. > :18:09.whatever this is, I could see... You're in expert on many things,
:18:09. > :18:19.Kelvin, including an expert on the modern Tory party, most of whom you
:18:19. > :18:26.have never met! I have got 20 quid, that it will be 120 MPs, let's see
:18:26. > :18:31.who knows the most. You have met each other now. This programme
:18:31. > :18:37.wants to bring people together. Thank you, gentleman. I was going
:18:37. > :18:42.to say, this is what it will be like in Brussels. At least they all
:18:42. > :18:48.speak different languages, so it gets lost in translation. With a
:18:48. > :18:52.series of victims, a stellar cast of celebrities, and eyebrow raising
:18:52. > :18:57.statements, the Leveson inquiry has been quite the eye-opener. The
:18:57. > :19:01.target has been the tabloid press, but they are now starting to ask if
:19:01. > :19:05.the inquiry is really fair. Giles has been trying to find the good
:19:05. > :19:08.side of the past. If you work for a newspaper, the last weeks of the
:19:08. > :19:13.Leveson inquiry have been uncomfortable. At the moment I
:19:13. > :19:17.think we have a press which has just become frankly putrid.
:19:17. > :19:22.High King of Milly Dowler's telephone was not a bad thing for a
:19:22. > :19:28.well-meaning journalist, who was only trying to help find the girl.
:19:28. > :19:32.What you do is, you say, a security source said, and when a load of
:19:32. > :19:36.quotes from a source, which charges made up of the top of my head.
:19:36. > :19:40.Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson, they're the scum of journalism for
:19:40. > :19:44.trying to drop me in it. newspapers have become part of the
:19:44. > :19:49.political process, yet without any of the accountability which other
:19:49. > :19:52.parts of the political process are subject to. In the fortnight or so
:19:52. > :19:57.since Lord Leveson started hearing evidence, we have heard how the
:19:57. > :20:01.tabloid press have mistreated families like Milly Dowler's and
:20:01. > :20:06.the McCann's. The press have admitted to certain things they
:20:06. > :20:10.have done which the public would be shocked about. But now, the tabloid
:20:10. > :20:14.press are starting to say it is too much one-way traffic. People from
:20:14. > :20:17.the industry now seem to be the grubby journalists, the people who
:20:17. > :20:22.admit having hacked phones or making up stories, and they have
:20:22. > :20:27.been given a huge platform to explain what they did. And the
:20:27. > :20:31.decent, honest journalists, like the 280 who lost their jobs at the
:20:31. > :20:34.News of the World, are not being given any say. In the committee I
:20:34. > :20:38.sit on, which is looking into privacy and super-injunctions, we
:20:38. > :20:42.have heard from tabloid proprietors and tabloid journalists, and they
:20:42. > :20:46.have given as good as they have taken. I don't think the voice of
:20:46. > :20:50.the boding tabloid journalist is going unheard on this. If anybody
:20:50. > :20:54.thinks that's the case, and if Leveson thinks it is the case, it
:20:54. > :20:59.is open to him to call them as witnesses. So, what would they say
:20:59. > :21:04.if they were in the room? Their defence has seem to be that the
:21:04. > :21:08.tabloids always have been and still Lara force for good. Just before we
:21:08. > :21:12.close, we secured a Military Covenant, enshrined in law, which
:21:12. > :21:17.the Prime Minister had refused to do. The Sun has this week launched
:21:17. > :21:21.a campaign to try to stop the cuts in armed forces' pay. We have had
:21:21. > :21:25.campaigns such as Sara's law, relating to predatory paedophiles.
:21:25. > :21:29.Parents have the right to know if they are living in their
:21:29. > :21:33.communities. And we have campaigns such as help for heroes, in the Sun,
:21:33. > :21:37.which has raised masses of money for Armed Forces charities, and has
:21:37. > :21:40.changed the way this country things about our soldiers, who put their
:21:40. > :21:46.lives on the line. In terms of hearing evidence, Leveson has a
:21:46. > :21:51.long way to run. In terms of being fair, according to some of the
:21:51. > :21:55.newspapers, Leveson has a long way to go. I'm joined now by the Labour
:21:55. > :22:02.MP Chris Bryant, who has had less than welcome attention from the
:22:02. > :22:12.tabloids and the past. We had hoped to be joined by the chief executive
:22:12. > :22:16.
:22:16. > :22:26.It has always been in the gutter. And it is quite a good place to be,
:22:26. > :22:26.
:22:26. > :23:20.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 54 seconds
:23:20. > :23:23.actually. The idea is that you are Tony you have earned up to the fact
:23:23. > :23:27.that you hardly ever check whether any stories were true. You have
:23:27. > :23:30.spent a great deal of time to piling the idea of any hacking.
:23:30. > :23:33.Indeed, I remember going on many Indeed, I remember going on many
:23:33. > :23:36.programmes with you, where you said, categorically, that you could not
:23:36. > :23:40.believe that it could have happened, that nobody senior at the
:23:40. > :23:43.organisation would know about it, and even if it did, you said it was
:23:43. > :23:49.a socialist conspiracy. And then you found out that your phone was
:23:49. > :23:54.hacked, and suddenly you were upset. I was totally upset. Somebody paid
:23:54. > :23:58.you to write an article, so you got a bit more upset. I do not get paid
:23:58. > :24:05.to write articles in the Spectator. If I had to do that, I would be in
:24:05. > :24:09.the gutter. But what about the broader point? Are do not know what
:24:09. > :24:13.it is exactly. The broader point is that there was a problem within one
:24:13. > :24:18.newspaper, and, did they pay a price for all of that? That
:24:18. > :24:23.newspaper does not exist today. Actually, I am amazed that that
:24:23. > :24:28.paper does not exist. I was shocked when it was shut down. When did you
:24:28. > :24:32.decide that Rupert Murdoch's tabloids were beneath contempt? Was
:24:32. > :24:37.it when the Sun endorsed Labour in three subsequent elections, or when
:24:37. > :24:41.it endorsed Cameron in 2009? first started raising questions
:24:41. > :24:46.about the payment of police officers by the News Of The World
:24:46. > :24:49.and by the Sun on 11th March 2003. I can remember because it was my
:24:49. > :24:55.dad's birthday. You never spoke about the tabloids like this when
:24:55. > :25:00.they were backing Labour. I did, I'm afraid. In these words? I did
:25:00. > :25:05.not talk about the hacking, -- I did not know about the hacking, but
:25:05. > :25:09.I raised the issue of Murdoch's domination, having so many of the
:25:09. > :25:14.newspapers, as well as the broadcasters. Can they be a force
:25:14. > :25:17.for good? Yes, of course they can, and sometimes they have been. When?
:25:17. > :25:21.There have been lots of campaigns which have been run by tabloid
:25:21. > :25:25.journalists. We should not forget that a lot of this is coming out
:25:25. > :25:30.now because of the investigative journalism done by a guy at The
:25:30. > :25:34.Guardian. Not a tabloid. No, but I do not care whether a newspaper is
:25:34. > :25:39.a tabloid, I am not a snob. Entertaining newspapers are great.
:25:40. > :25:43.So, what's the problem? Because all I want journalism to do is to
:25:43. > :25:46.return to its old fashioned thing of bringing the truth to light, but
:25:46. > :25:49.doing it within the law, and not running headlines about
:25:49. > :25:55.Hillsborough which were a complete and utter lies. This has got
:25:55. > :26:00.nothing to do with Hillsborough. is, it is about lying. How do you
:26:00. > :26:06.know? How do you know, you printed a newspaper. That story came from
:26:06. > :26:12.Liverpool news agency and Liverpool journalists. Every single newspaper
:26:12. > :26:17.carried that story, as you well know. Carry on. You ran a newspaper
:26:17. > :26:20.which said that people had done these things. Both of you, be quiet,
:26:20. > :26:25.you have done the Hillsborough., the viewers will make up their own
:26:25. > :26:30.minds. I have a broader question - do you have any regrets or remorse
:26:30. > :26:35.about some of the things you did as a tabloid editor? Probably, yes, I
:26:35. > :26:39.do. Would that include Hillsborough? If I could revisit
:26:39. > :26:46.Hillsborough, I would do it in a different way, I would do with the
:26:46. > :26:49.way the other newspapers did it, I wish I had done that, yes. What do
:26:49. > :26:54.you think will come out of this, what will be the end game, after
:26:54. > :26:58.Leveson and so on? It must not muzzle the press. I know people
:26:58. > :27:01.will say politicians want the press to be muzzled, I do not want that.
:27:01. > :27:05.I want the press to be vibrant and sometimes use colourful language
:27:06. > :27:09.and the rest of it, and be interested in the wrong doings of
:27:09. > :27:14.politicians, I have no problem with that. But I think everybody needs a
:27:14. > :27:19.little bit of privacy, just to be able to survive, we all need our
:27:19. > :27:25.own personal space. And one thing which some tabloids have got wrong
:27:25. > :27:29.is that things have changed since 50 years ago, and sometimes, some
:27:29. > :27:38.tabloids have maintained an attitude of a kind of judgmental
:27:38. > :27:43.attitude from the 1950s. Just time to pick a winner from yesterday's
:27:43. > :27:46.Guess the Year competition. The answer was 1969, the great battle
:27:46. > :27:48.between Robert Maxwell and Rupert Murdoch for the News Of The World.
:27:48. > :27:57.Rupert Murdoch got it because they thought he was more British than
:27:57. > :28:01.Robert Maxwell. You get to pick the winner. I have not got my glasses.
:28:01. > :28:11.Oh, it is Simon from Liverpool. Just joking. That's all we have got
:28:11. > :28:15.time for today. I have got 40 quid. I'm also back tonight with This
:28:15. > :28:20.Week. And I will be back tomorrow for another day politics. You just
:28:20. > :28:30.can't get enough of it. We will have Tim Montgomerie, the famous
:28:30. > :28:32.
:28:32. > :28:35.Tory blogger on, and comedian Andi Osho, who will tell us why she's
:28:35. > :28:38.not happy about the money being spent on the Olympics. And we have
:28:38. > :28:43.had lots of e-mails about Hillsborough, I will be sending