:00:24. > :00:27.Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Daily Politics. In the aftermath of
:00:27. > :00:31.the summer's riots the Government promises to turn around the lives
:00:31. > :00:37.of Britain's 120,000 troubled families. Will their �450 million
:00:37. > :00:40.scheme do the trick? It's supposed to be the pupils who cheat, but,
:00:41. > :00:46.now, apparently the examiners are up to it. Can parents, pupils, and
:00:46. > :00:52.employers trust out exams system? Advent's a busy time for Santa and
:00:52. > :00:55.his elves. But not for MPs - the Government's not given them much to
:00:55. > :01:00.do. Still plenty of time to make the mincemeat, steam the puddings
:01:00. > :01:08.and stuff the turkey. And can pop music and politicians ever be a
:01:08. > :01:18.good combination? It is too dangerous for politicians to get
:01:18. > :01:19.
:01:19. > :01:29.involved in youth culture. They end up looking so old! Not sure if that
:01:29. > :01:30.
:01:30. > :01:34.was stiff or stuff the turkey! This is not one of these endless baking
:01:35. > :01:38.cooking programmes, this is the Daily Politics! All that in the
:01:38. > :01:41.next half-hour. And with us for the whole programme today is Baroness
:01:41. > :01:45.Sally Morgan, a Labour Peer, former advisor to Tony Blair, and now
:01:45. > :01:50.chair of the schools' inspectorate Ofsted. Welcome to the programme.
:01:50. > :01:52.Morning. And it's on a school- related matter that we begin.
:01:52. > :01:55.Because this morning the Education Select Committee have been hearing
:01:55. > :01:57.from the exams boards over allegations of cheating. The
:01:57. > :02:00.Telegraph newspaper recorded an examiner working for the Welsh exam
:02:00. > :02:05.board, WJEC, giving teachers prior knowledge of the content of exam
:02:05. > :02:08.papers and apparently admitting to cheating. The story comes amidst
:02:08. > :02:18.concerns that competition between exam boards has led to a dilution
:02:18. > :02:19.
:02:19. > :02:25.of standards. We have not cheated. We have not told them anything at
:02:25. > :02:30.all. Every individual in front of them achieves their best... We are
:02:30. > :02:35.not talking about teachers in the classroom. We are talking about
:02:35. > :02:44.examiners in an Examining Board, teaching the exam to teachers.
:02:44. > :02:48.are not teaching the exam to teachers. I mean, I quite... We are
:02:48. > :02:53.explaining a specification which is a number of words which some
:02:53. > :03:00.teachers will immediately pick up, grasp and get a hold of and others
:03:00. > :03:08.would say, you know, what does this particular statement mean? We have
:03:08. > :03:13.chosen to do this subject on the day Sally Morgan is here! A lot of
:03:13. > :03:20.people who read the Telegraph stuff and watched the secretly-taped
:03:20. > :03:25.video and so on, in addition to the details, teachers paying up to �230
:03:25. > :03:31.a day to attend seminars with chief examiners. It doesn't pass the
:03:31. > :03:41.smell test? I am pleased there is going to be a full investigation.
:03:41. > :03:48.
:03:48. > :03:55.That is not Ofsted, it is OFQAL. All of us... You don't regulate it?
:03:55. > :04:00.We don't regulate exams. So we have the wrong person?! Send her home!
:04:00. > :04:05.You are happy they are going to do it? On a personal basis, many moons
:04:05. > :04:11.ago I was a geography teacher so when I read the stuff in Telegraph
:04:11. > :04:18.about the geography teacher, I found it incredibly depressing. You
:04:18. > :04:25.want education to be as wide as possible and we have to see what
:04:25. > :04:30.OFQAL come up with. I hope there is a pretty radical look at the system.
:04:30. > :04:34.The exams system is now discredited, would you go that far? There is a
:04:34. > :04:38.real level of concern about it. We all know, if you have had kids who
:04:38. > :04:43.have gone through exams you know how much they put into exams and
:04:43. > :04:49.you know how much teachers put in to helping children prepare. So
:04:49. > :04:53.there's got to be a situation where there is real assurance for
:04:53. > :04:59.children, teachers and employers that the exams mean something.
:04:59. > :05:03.remember there was loads of discussion about past exam papers.
:05:03. > :05:10.Hasn't there always been a bit of it is more likely this is going to
:05:10. > :05:14.come up than that? Maybe not as we saw in that secretly-recorded film.
:05:14. > :05:19.But this idea that there is no communication... You are right. I
:05:19. > :05:25.can remember that, too. I can remember saying, "If volcanoes came
:05:25. > :05:29.up last year, maybe it is not going to come up next." I remember at
:05:29. > :05:34.school and at university, you could go into the library and look out
:05:34. > :05:39.the exam papers... It is whether or not this has gone over a line. I
:05:39. > :05:42.think it's commonsense. Everybody recognises there has to be - there
:05:42. > :05:46.is going to be guesswork and intelligence about what is likely
:05:46. > :05:50.to come up in an exam. It is about whether this has crossed the line.
:05:50. > :05:57.Does it play into a widely-held view beyond the teaching unions,
:05:57. > :06:04.who don't agree, that the exams have got easier? I don't buy that.
:06:04. > :06:08.Let me ask you this. Why is it now that the private schools who do the
:06:08. > :06:16.same A-levels as the state schools they are getting incredible pass
:06:16. > :06:20.rates like five times better than 30 years ago? They are not three or
:06:20. > :06:24.five times better. Standards have come up. I know there is
:06:24. > :06:28.controversy over that. But standards in schools have come up.
:06:28. > :06:34.Coursework has had an impact. I am sure there will be a longer review
:06:34. > :06:42.about the role of coursework. There is coursework. When we did exams...
:06:42. > :06:47.They were three-hour exams. It is very different now.
:06:47. > :06:57.universities say that an A in an A level no longer allows them to
:06:57. > :06:58.
:06:58. > :07:06.distinguish between good and bad. Those getting A-level maths to go
:07:06. > :07:10.to Cambridge have to do remedial courses. The other thing is...
:07:10. > :07:14.some of us went to university, you were interviewed by universities
:07:14. > :07:20.and that was an additional way of making an assessment.
:07:20. > :07:28.There were a lot of universities that did interviews at that point.
:07:28. > :07:32.Even though you are not from OFQAL, we are glad you are here! Now, how
:07:32. > :07:37.can Government turn around problem families? The cost to society in
:07:37. > :07:40.benefits, public services, policing and even prison is well documented.
:07:40. > :07:46.As are the grand gestures of past politicians. Now, David Cameron has
:07:47. > :07:49.unveiled his plans. Jo has more. Yes, Andrew, the aftermath of the
:07:49. > :07:54.summer riots refocused political thought on the UK's problem
:07:54. > :07:56.families. Now, the Government wants to use troubleshooters - a mixture
:07:56. > :07:59.of charity, council and private sector workers who will receive
:07:59. > :08:08.almost �450 million in taxpayers' money to help 120,000 troubled
:08:08. > :08:10.families in England. They will be expected to produce plans which
:08:10. > :08:15.could include targets to return parents to work, stop them from
:08:15. > :08:18.drinking or taking drugs, and ensuring children go to school. The
:08:18. > :08:28.troubleshooters will be paid an average of �3,750 for each family,
:08:28. > :08:29.
:08:29. > :08:32.with 60% of the money paid upfront and the remainder "on results". The
:08:32. > :08:37.Prime Minister explained how troubleshooters will help. They
:08:37. > :08:41.will see the family as a whole and get a plan of action together
:08:41. > :08:47.agreed with the family. This will be basic practical things, like
:08:47. > :08:51.getting the kids to school on time, properly fed. They are the building
:08:51. > :08:54.blocks of any orderly home and a responsible life. These things
:08:54. > :09:00.don't always cost a lot, but they make a big difference. Then they
:09:00. > :09:03.will get on top of the services, sorting out and sometimes fending
:09:04. > :09:07.off the 28 different state services that can come calling at the door.
:09:07. > :09:13.Not a string of well-meaning disconnected officials who end up
:09:13. > :09:16.treating the symptoms and not the causes. But a clear hard-headed
:09:16. > :09:21.recognition of how the family is going wrong and what the family
:09:21. > :09:29.members can do to take responsibility. We are joined by
:09:29. > :09:35.the Communities Minister and for Labour, Jack Dromey. Minister,
:09:35. > :09:40.these problem families already cost us �9 billion a year, �9,000
:09:41. > :09:44.million, there's still 120,000 of them. So why will another �450
:09:44. > :09:48.million make any difference? have a programme that has already
:09:49. > :09:52.begun. We have to accelerate that, make it happen all over the country.
:09:52. > :09:57.This is pump-priming money to tackle a deep-seated problem that's
:09:57. > :10:01.been going on for generations. do you pump-prime? You have heard
:10:01. > :10:05.the Prime Minister say we are going to place in each local authority
:10:05. > :10:09.area a troubleshooter, we will be working very closely with local
:10:09. > :10:13.authorities, the Probation Service, with education, with Criminal
:10:13. > :10:17.Justice System, social services take a tremendous hit from families
:10:17. > :10:21.and particularly young children who often for generation after
:10:21. > :10:26.generation are in a cycle which simply repeats itself. Is this
:10:26. > :10:31.troubleshooter going to knock on the doors and say, "Why are you not
:10:31. > :10:36.at work? Why is your kid not at school?" Is that what they are
:10:36. > :10:41.going to do? The most important thing is to co-ordinate...
:10:41. > :10:46.process? No, it is about real action to bring things together.
:10:46. > :10:50.is an interesting initiative. Tell us how it will work. There is a
:10:50. > :10:54.problem family - Jo's. Troubleshooter goes to Jo's door,
:10:55. > :10:59.if they can get through the debris, what will happen? The key thing is
:10:59. > :11:03.to make sure the children are at school and the opportunities for
:11:03. > :11:07.the family to develop their skills to get into work are there.
:11:07. > :11:10.understand that. We have to tackle the anti-social behaviour...
:11:10. > :11:17.Understand all that. Sorry to interrupt you. I understand the
:11:17. > :11:23.problem. I know about the problem. I'm just anxious to know what this
:11:23. > :11:28.person will do when faced with a troubled family. He won't go, or
:11:28. > :11:31.she won't go with a blank sheet of paper. They will have been the work
:11:31. > :11:34.with the Probation Service, with the education service, the social
:11:34. > :11:40.services beforehand so that it is clear for that particular family
:11:40. > :11:44.what needs to be done. So the people... It will be different in
:11:44. > :11:48.different places. The people aren't working, the kids are not at school.
:11:48. > :11:53.What does the troubleshooter do? The first thing is to get those
:11:53. > :11:57.children back into school. How does he do it? Can they force them to
:11:57. > :12:02.go? What we have got at the moment is a system where there are
:12:02. > :12:06.punishments and rewards but it is difficult to enforce them. So the
:12:06. > :12:10.troubleshooter's job is to make sure it is pulled together and it
:12:10. > :12:14.really does happen. It's some stick but also some carrot to make sure
:12:14. > :12:18.that those children are drawn into the system, the adults as well and
:12:18. > :12:22.the anti-social behaviour. We have seen it in examples across the
:12:22. > :12:26.country that you get a reduction in anti-social behaviour when there is
:12:26. > :12:31.that one-to-one engagement. You get children back into school. I can
:12:31. > :12:35.understand how one the one will help. Putting aside my inability to
:12:35. > :12:38.find out exactly how this will work, I assume that Labour supports the
:12:38. > :12:43.principle? Labour in power was always on about early intervention,
:12:43. > :12:49.getting in there. I was looking back at Gordon Brown's speech to
:12:49. > :12:52.the Labour Conference in 2007 - that is what my life is reading his
:12:52. > :12:57.old speeches! New one-to-one support led by the voluntary sector
:12:57. > :13:03.can make all the difference. That's what the Government's doing?
:13:03. > :13:08.are right. We acted in Government. The notion of early intervention -
:13:08. > :13:11.I see some of those families in my own constituency, deep-seated
:13:11. > :13:15.problems. Intergenerational? dad I know who lost his job four
:13:15. > :13:20.times in the 1980s and then lost his confidence, never worked again
:13:20. > :13:23.and no-one else has ever worked in that household for the 25 years
:13:23. > :13:26.subsequently. It is absolutely right that what you do is to have a
:13:27. > :13:30.focus on those families because they are not just a problem for
:13:30. > :13:36.themselves, they are also a problem for the communities in which they
:13:36. > :13:42.live. It's the people around them who are troubled? Sure. Is this a
:13:42. > :13:47.consensus I am seeing here? principle is a good one. We
:13:47. > :13:54.pioneered it. They also abolished Total Place, that brought together
:13:54. > :13:59.all the different agencies in areas where you get... Can I come to the
:13:59. > :14:04.practical problems? You asked how does it work? The idea of having a
:14:04. > :14:08.trusted person working with a family, helping that family and
:14:08. > :14:13.challenging that family is a good thing. I have seen it in my own
:14:13. > :14:17.constituency. There's three problems... A tough job. I wouldn't
:14:17. > :14:21.like it? Very tough job. There are three problems. Briefly.
:14:21. > :14:26.Government says this is what we want to do, we want to put in 40%,
:14:26. > :14:32.local government you put in 60%. The only problem about that,
:14:32. > :14:37.Birmingham cut �212 million from Birmingham City Council... This
:14:37. > :14:40.Andrew! The second thing is that early intervention in areas like
:14:40. > :14:46.children's centres, childcare, mental health, all of the things
:14:46. > :14:50.that matter to - you invest �1 now, you save �10 later on. Those
:14:50. > :14:53.services are being cutback by the Government. The third point is get
:14:53. > :14:59.people back into work without hesitation. Work should be central
:14:59. > :15:03.to people's lives. But just yesterday's figures that came out,
:15:03. > :15:09.Andrew, 500 extra people on the dole in my constituency. The floor
:15:09. > :15:15.is yours. Indeed. Listening to the chair of the Local Enterprise
:15:15. > :15:19.Centre for the West Midlands, they have vacancies they can't fill
:15:19. > :15:22.because they haven't got the skills. There is mass unemployment in
:15:22. > :15:29.Birmingham. I think Jack and I agree, but for the sake of this
:15:29. > :15:33.programme, he has to disagree! LAUGHTER The community budget
:15:34. > :15:38.programme has been running all year. What we have done is to give extra
:15:39. > :15:45.impetus beyond the pilot areas including Birmingham. Do local
:15:45. > :15:49.authorities have to chivvy up some of this �450 million? They will be
:15:49. > :15:53.saving as well. Some of the money they are putting into Children's
:15:53. > :15:57.Services, putting children into care, they will be able to save.
:15:57. > :16:01.it right you are saying to Birmingham, we will put in 40%, but
:16:01. > :16:06.you have to find 60%? No, the police service, the Probation
:16:06. > :16:09.Service, the budget is drawn from Government departments, nine
:16:09. > :16:16.Government departments, across Government. All right. We want to
:16:17. > :16:20.monitor this very carefully. It is interesting. This 120,000 troubled
:16:20. > :16:24.families, they do cause a lot of the crime, a lot of social unrest
:16:24. > :16:29.and they make life miserable for those around them. I think people
:16:29. > :16:33.watching this will only be convinced if this 120,000 figure is
:16:33. > :16:39.a real figure and whether it is Labour or Conservative, or Lib Dem,
:16:39. > :16:44.come back to us in five years' time and say, "It's now 90,000. There is
:16:44. > :16:48.still a way to go but we can say to you, we have moved 30,000 off the
:16:48. > :16:52.troubled list." I'm not sure they will be able to do that? The real
:16:52. > :16:54.issue for me is the children in those families. Some of whom
:16:54. > :16:59.obviously in the end are children who end up causing a lot of
:16:59. > :17:06.problems in schools for other children. In the end, they are very
:17:06. > :17:16.vulnerable. My question is whether or not really there is sufficient
:17:16. > :17:18.
:17:18. > :17:25.resource going into this. I'm convinced about early intervention.
:17:25. > :17:33.Have any of you seen the scheme? have seen what a real difference...
:17:33. > :17:38.No, have you seen the TV programme? None of you have? Correct.
:17:38. > :17:44.should all watch it. It should be compulsory viewing in the Lords and
:17:44. > :17:49.the Commons. It is on BBC Scotland. It's a documentry where they went
:17:49. > :17:59.into a real scheme full of troubled families and watch that before you
:17:59. > :18:00.
:18:00. > :18:05.think you have any answers. I am sure it is on iPlayer. Thank you.
:18:05. > :18:11.Jo. Twas the week before the Christmas break and all through the
:18:11. > :18:13.House not a creature was stirring, not even an MP. Well, not quite.
:18:13. > :18:20.MPs have been holding backbench debates, but the legislation
:18:20. > :18:23.workload has certainly dropped off throughout December. A number of
:18:23. > :18:26.MPs have also taken the opportunity to start their foreign Christmas
:18:26. > :18:31.breaks early, jetting off to warmer climes as the temperatures in
:18:31. > :18:34.Westminster fall. So, is this a well deserved rest for our members
:18:34. > :18:39.and chance for the Lords to get their heads around legislation, or
:18:39. > :18:42.valuable debating time lost? Two MPs that haven't taken off are
:18:42. > :18:49.Labour MP Thomas Docherty and, back by popular demand, Conservative MP
:18:49. > :18:54.Peter Bone, who both join us now from the Commons. I hope you have
:18:54. > :18:59.left that spot since we saw you last, Peter Bone?! Oh yes. Is the
:18:59. > :19:03.Government slacking off before Christmas? It is unusual not to
:19:03. > :19:06.have anything to do? I don't think so. We have come from the Chamber
:19:06. > :19:11.where business questions are being discussed and there are demands
:19:11. > :19:15.from lots of MPs for more and more debate. I think it is rather good
:19:15. > :19:19.that the Government is enforcing more legislation through. We should
:19:19. > :19:22.have less legislation, better scrutiny and better Acts of
:19:22. > :19:26.Parliament. In terms of serious legislation, the Commons isn't and
:19:27. > :19:32.hasn't looked at anything particularly meaty for weeks?
:19:32. > :19:36.Government got it wrong? They had in a sense, that they rushed all
:19:36. > :19:39.their stuff through at the beginning to make an impact. We
:19:39. > :19:42.should have had more times to scrutinise that. We wouldn't be in
:19:42. > :19:44.the situation where we are now where the Lords is having to do
:19:45. > :19:49.most of the scrutiny. That is because the Government controls the
:19:49. > :19:52.business of the Commons and when we get to a House Business Committee,
:19:52. > :19:58.I think Parliament will improve. That is the reason for it. This is
:19:58. > :20:01.really just a screw-up in terms of timings and calendar, isn't it? The
:20:01. > :20:07.legislation has been looked at by the Commons and is now in the
:20:07. > :20:14.Lords? The Commons did not get enough time to do due diligence on
:20:14. > :20:22.these bills. Because the Government railroaded them through, they have
:20:22. > :20:27.gone to the House of Lords who are taking a part in the most badly-
:20:27. > :20:30.drafted bills. The Welfare Reform Bill was defeated and was led by a
:20:30. > :20:33.former Secretary of State for Social Security. Given Peter has
:20:33. > :20:38.nine bills that he is trying to introduce in the House of Commons
:20:38. > :20:42.in the week ahead, I think if anybody needs to look at their own
:20:42. > :20:46.regulation, it might be Peter. do you say to that? The Government
:20:46. > :20:50.was really poor in allowing Private Members' Bills. One of the things
:20:50. > :20:56.we have to do is to reform the House so a Private Members' Bill
:20:56. > :20:59.can be debated. Can I come back to this point? Ill-judged and badly-
:20:59. > :21:05.drafted legislation. That makes all of us cringe with the idea it is
:21:05. > :21:12.going to have to be redone, it will have to be re-debated? We are
:21:12. > :21:18.expecting some badly-drafted legislation to be passed here?
:21:18. > :21:22.It should have been the Commons? This started up under Blair and
:21:22. > :21:27.Brown when they introduced timetabling in the Commons. I would
:21:27. > :21:30.like our guest here to my left to support the idea of getting rid of
:21:30. > :21:33.programme motions because that's the problem, the Commons is
:21:33. > :21:37.restricted on the time it has for debate. That doesn't happen in the
:21:37. > :21:41.Lords. It was brought in by Labour. I would like to see that scrapped.
:21:41. > :21:45.We will talk to Sally Morgan about that in a minute. This is all
:21:45. > :21:49.fascinating for all of us in the Westminster village. Does the
:21:49. > :21:53.public really take an interest in terms of the sort of process of
:21:53. > :21:57.legislation and the timing that's devoted to it? The public has a
:21:57. > :22:03.right to know that why is it the Government's whips collapsed the
:22:03. > :22:07.business yesterday at 5.30 so they can go to a carol concert. Why did
:22:07. > :22:14.we finish last week at 5.00 so they could go to a Christmas party? It
:22:14. > :22:18.is not good for the taxpayer. that note, thank you both very much
:22:18. > :22:23.in the House of Commons and Happy Christmas. Happy Christmas.
:22:23. > :22:28.Lords seem to be coming into their own having plenty of time... We are
:22:28. > :22:36.not finishing at 5.00! We are starting at 10.00 and working
:22:36. > :22:41.through till 10.00 at night. We are doing detailed scrutiny of both the
:22:41. > :22:46.Health and Welfare Reform Bills. it badly drafted? There is real
:22:46. > :22:50.concern about the drafting. will be working right the way
:22:50. > :22:59.through? We are working through to the end of next Wednesday. Glad to
:22:59. > :23:07.hear it! That is great. We are not! Don't tell them! France could be
:23:07. > :23:12.losing its AAA status. Am I looking at the right camera? Remember Cool
:23:12. > :23:16.Britannia? A certain Prime Minister getting down with the kids,
:23:16. > :23:24.entertaining BRIT popstars at Downing Street? I'm sure Sally
:23:24. > :23:28.Morgan does. But does it work? Does a little bit of the stardust rub
:23:28. > :23:38.off on the politicians? Can a good tune change the way we vote? Here's
:23:38. > :23:43.
:23:43. > :23:48.The music studios in London. Some of the biggest names in pop have
:23:48. > :23:51.prepared here. For a rock fan like me, I'm living the dream. There is
:23:51. > :23:55.nothing worse than gentlemen of a certain age pretending they are
:23:55. > :24:01.down with the kids and politicians are some of the worst offenders.
:24:01. > :24:05.Gordon Brown and the Arctic Monkeys? Really? There has always
:24:05. > :24:10.been the strong bond between music and politics. How powerful can a
:24:10. > :24:20.song be? Who better to ask than Professor John Street. He's written
:24:20. > :24:22.
:24:22. > :24:28.a book called Music and Politics. If you think about music and
:24:28. > :24:32.musicians, you do see the use of music to drive political movements
:24:32. > :24:39.of some considerable significance and produce an effect.
:24:39. > :24:49.# Things can only get better. # Take this. Remind you of anything?
:24:49. > :24:50.
:24:50. > :24:55.Me, too. A catchy tune can be a double edged sword. People point at
:24:55. > :25:01.Things Can Only Get Better so when ever you see a New Labour story
:25:01. > :25:05.clip on the TV, that will be the backdrop to it. It is easy to
:25:05. > :25:13.overplay the impact that those things had at the time. The trouble
:25:13. > :25:18.with that song is it is pathetic, it is an awful song. Ouch! Yet,
:25:18. > :25:26.politicians are drawn to pop music and musicians like moths to a flame.
:25:26. > :25:31.Do we like it? Politics is so desperately uncool at the moment.
:25:31. > :25:36.Even more so than it ever was. It is too dangerous for politicians to
:25:36. > :25:41.get involved in youth culture. you are not making any friends at
:25:41. > :25:48.Westminster! Professor Street and I may not be getting backstage at the
:25:48. > :25:53.next U2 gig. You can get pop stars that will put you off. Can we name
:25:53. > :25:58.names? Bono could put people off, the causes he was advocating,
:25:58. > :26:02.because he was almost too familiar, too much of a man who is always
:26:02. > :26:07.advocating causes. Sorry, Bono. If there is one song which shows the
:26:07. > :26:15.power of music can have over politics, it is this one:
:26:15. > :26:18.# Feed the world. # We were all young once! We're
:26:18. > :26:21.joined now by the Conservative MP and rock music fan who used to work
:26:21. > :26:25.in the music industry, Mike Weatherley. Welcome to the
:26:25. > :26:34.programme. Can you think of a song that has changed politics?
:26:34. > :26:43.necessarily a song. There are musicians that have. Frank Zappa
:26:43. > :26:49.campaigned against censorship. you think of one? Feed The World
:26:49. > :26:53.captured the public mood. You don't see much political protest songs in
:26:53. > :26:58.The X Factor? Music is about fun. This is true. That is what people
:26:58. > :27:04.want to hear. They don't want to be preached at quite often. You agree
:27:04. > :27:09.with that remark about Bono? A lot of people don't want to be preached
:27:09. > :27:16.at. They want to have fun with music. Creative people do want to
:27:16. > :27:24.give a message. Whose idea was Cool Britannia? Not mine! LAUGHTER Thank
:27:24. > :27:30.you! Dry your hands. You made a pledge to the people of Hove that
:27:30. > :27:36.you would wear your Iron Maiden T- shirt in the Commons, have you done
:27:36. > :27:43.so? I have. Westminster Hall I have. I asked the Speaker if he would
:27:43. > :27:48.give me permission, he said "no". They are very noisy! That's a genre
:27:48. > :27:54.that I particularly like. You don't often hear that word on this
:27:54. > :28:03.programme! Music is very important to our overseas earnings. We are
:28:03. > :28:08.world beaters at it! It would make it uncool. All right. Stand up for
:28:08. > :28:16.British music! We are the best! Time before we go to give you the
:28:16. > :28:22.answer to yesterday's Guess The Year competition. It was 1987. The
:28:22. > :28:27.first name gets one of our brand- new mugs. 11 more runners-up will
:28:27. > :28:34.get one of the old ones! You can pick the winner of the brand-new
:28:34. > :28:40.mug. This is the first-ever mug. Adam Williams, County Durham.
:28:40. > :28:43.get the first new mug. Thanks to all our guests. I'll be back
:28:43. > :28:50.tonight for This Week's Review of the Year with Michael Portillo,
:28:50. > :28:53.Diane Abbott and Charles Kennedy. And George Clooney! And tomorrow at
:28:53. > :28:56.noon, I'll be here with the final Daily Politics of 2011 and, as