:00:38. > :00:41.Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Daily Politics. So it's reshuffle
:00:41. > :00:45.day. The first major reshuffle since the coalition government was
:00:46. > :00:49.formed. It's the day the prime minister's meant to stamp his
:00:49. > :00:54.authority on his administration. Although so far, most of the top
:00:54. > :00:57.Cabinet posts remain unchanged. What we do know is that the Justice
:00:57. > :00:59.Secretary Ken Clarke is leaving his job. But he'll remain in the
:00:59. > :01:04.Cabinet in an advisory role. And the Health Secretary, Andrew
:01:04. > :01:08.Lansley becomes leader of the House of Commons. It's not been a great
:01:08. > :01:11.day so far for women. Baroness Warsi, Caroline Spellman and Cheryl
:01:11. > :01:16.Gillan, all set to lose their jobs. Although Teresa Villiers comes into
:01:16. > :01:19.cabinet as Northern Ireland Secretary. We'll bring you all the
:01:19. > :01:22.action as it unfolds. The Commons Public Accounts
:01:22. > :01:26.Committee says extraordinary chaos at the UK Border Agency has allowed
:01:26. > :01:30.tens of thousands of bogus students to enter Britain. We'll be taking a
:01:30. > :01:33.look at the committee's work. And bring out the paint. Top up on
:01:33. > :01:40.the wallpaper. We'll be asking, is it time for a parliamentry
:01:40. > :01:44.All that in the next hour. And with us for the whole programme today is
:01:44. > :01:46.Margaret Hodge. She's a Labour MP and chairs the powerful Westminster
:01:46. > :01:54.committee responsible for overseeing government spending.
:01:54. > :01:57.Welcome to the Daily Politics. Thank you. Now before we get on to
:01:57. > :02:00.today's reshuffle, just a quick word about a little incident at the
:02:00. > :02:10.Paralympic Games last night. Take a look at this. Ladies and gentlemen,
:02:10. > :02:12.
:02:12. > :02:16.we now have the victory ceremony The medals tonight will be
:02:16. > :02:26.presented by the Right Honourable George Osborne MP. Chancellor of
:02:26. > :02:36.
:02:36. > :02:40.Margaret Hodge, taking off your political hat, or moment, not a
:02:40. > :02:44.great feeling for any minister to be booed like that in a big
:02:44. > :02:48.celebratory event. It's absolutely horrible for him personally but, on
:02:48. > :02:52.the other hand, he is chance of the Exchequer and has to take
:02:52. > :02:58.responsibility for what people feel about that living standards at this
:02:58. > :03:03.point in time. He accept is going to be unpopular. He knows he's the
:03:03. > :03:07.most unpopular Minister and, as Chancellor, unless Belgrade
:03:07. > :03:14.economic times, you're never going to be popular, are you? You can't
:03:14. > :03:18.be that unpopular. Maybe he's a bit out of touch with what ordinary
:03:18. > :03:24.people are feeling in their day-to- day lives, as well. We have a
:03:24. > :03:30.double dip reception -- recession. People worried about their jobs,
:03:30. > :03:34.unable to get a home, move home, things are not good. George Osborne
:03:34. > :03:39.is not prepared to change policy. We will talk about the reshuffle,
:03:39. > :03:43.but it's no change of policy. He's not going anywhere and the top
:03:43. > :03:50.people are not, and it feels as if, actually, policy which is not
:03:50. > :03:55.succeeding is not going to be challenged. Let me just read this I
:03:55. > :04:00.read last night which made me smile. The person writing it said while
:04:00. > :04:05.George Osborne was being booed, at the stadium, Gordon Brown was being
:04:05. > :04:09.cheered, but I wonder which way those people voted in 2010. Maybe
:04:10. > :04:14.they regretted and hopefully they will vote in a different way in
:04:14. > :04:19.2015. It may say more about Gordon Brown and George Osborne. We have
:04:19. > :04:24.to wait. I'm pleased Gordon Brown got it yesterday because there is a
:04:24. > :04:30.tendency to rubbish a lot of the stuffy did. Were you surprised?
:04:30. > :04:35.People have not talked enough in relation to him, he really the bid,
:04:35. > :04:40.with the 2008 crisis, I think he showed international leadership.
:04:40. > :04:43.will leave the party politics there for a moment. Let's move on to
:04:43. > :04:45.things sartorial. Now it's time for our daily quiz. As you'll remember
:04:45. > :04:48.from yesterday's programme, seven suits belonging to Margaret
:04:48. > :04:55.Thatcher have been put up for auction at Christie's. But how much
:04:55. > :05:02.did they go for? At the end of the show Margaret will give us the
:05:02. > :05:05.correct answer. Don't worry, you have got plenty of time to think
:05:05. > :05:08.about it. It's the day when government ministers and aspiring
:05:08. > :05:11.backbench MPs sit nervously by the phone waiting to learn their fate.
:05:11. > :05:14.The first major reshuffle since the coalition government came into
:05:15. > :05:17.office. So what do we know so far? At the top of government, most of
:05:17. > :05:20.the ministers in the most senior roles are staying put. George
:05:20. > :05:23.Osborne stays as Chancellor of the Exchequer and David Cameron's
:05:23. > :05:27.right-hand man. William Hague will still be Foreign Secretary. And
:05:28. > :05:32.Theresa May keeps her job as Home Secretary. And, of course, the Lib
:05:32. > :05:35.Dem leader Nick Clegg stays as Deputy Prime Minister. Also staying
:05:35. > :05:38.where they are, Michael Gove at Education. And Iain Duncan Smith at
:05:38. > :05:41.the Department for Work and Pensions in charge of welfare
:05:41. > :05:44.reform. Ken Clarke is on the move leaving his job as Justice
:05:44. > :05:50.Secretary to take on a new role acting as a government wise head
:05:50. > :05:52.based in the Cabinet Office. He is replaced by Chris Grayling. Andrew
:05:52. > :05:57.Mitchell quits International Development to become the new
:05:57. > :06:01.Government Chief Whip, replacing Patrick McLoughlin. Caroline
:06:01. > :06:04.Spelman is leaving her job as Environment Secretary. And Sayeeda
:06:04. > :06:08.Warsi loses her job as Co-Chair of the Conservative Party despite
:06:08. > :06:12.pleading to stay at the weekend. Andrew Lansley is demoted from
:06:12. > :06:16.Health Secretary to Leader of the House of Commons. He is replaced by
:06:16. > :06:19.Jeremy Hunt who moves from Culture, Media and Sport. And Justine
:06:19. > :06:24.Greening is set to leave her job as Transport Secretary, raising
:06:24. > :06:27.questions about a possible u-turn on Heathrow expansion. On the Lib
:06:27. > :06:30.Dem side of the coalition, Sarah Teather is replaced as an education
:06:30. > :06:36.minister by David Laws, who had to leave Cabinet in 2010 after
:06:36. > :06:42.breaking expenses rules. This is what the Deputy Prime Minister,
:06:42. > :06:46.Nick Clegg, had to say a little earlier.
:06:46. > :06:50.It is the Government's priority to deliver policies to boost jobs and
:06:50. > :06:53.growth in the British economy. That is what this reshuffle will be all
:06:53. > :06:56.about. That was Nick Clegg responding to the reshuffle earlier
:06:56. > :07:00.today. And here's Ken Clarke leaving his home a short while ago,
:07:00. > :07:05.talking about his move from Justice Secretary to a new job as a wise
:07:05. > :07:11.head advising the government. agree with David when I arrived I
:07:11. > :07:15.would do it for a couple of years. That's what we stuck to. I'm
:07:15. > :07:21.surprised he's asked me to stay in the Cabinet doing a different role,
:07:21. > :07:25.economy, the National Security Council, but I never thought I
:07:25. > :07:29.would be back in the Government at my age. You have to step down the
:07:30. > :07:33.heavy roles before you suddenly realise you can't hack it.
:07:33. > :07:39.Clark, jolly as ever. And our Political Editor, Nick Robinson is
:07:39. > :07:42.in Downing Street. Let's pick up on what you have revealed, which is
:07:42. > :07:47.Iain Duncan Smith, attempts to move him from his post at the Department
:07:47. > :07:52.of Work and pensions. Reshuffles never survive the first contact
:07:52. > :07:56.with the enemy, rather like walls. In truth, the enemy is often
:07:56. > :07:59.ministers that the Prime Minister is trying to shift. The Prime
:07:59. > :08:03.Minister asked Iain Duncan Smith to become the new Secretary of State
:08:03. > :08:07.for justice, replacing Ken Clarke, the reason I believe is the
:08:07. > :08:12.Treasury have long had deep anxieties that Iain Duncan Smith
:08:12. > :08:15.resists the cuts they want to make. Remember the Chancellor announced
:08:16. > :08:19.�10 billion of welfare cuts as an ambition, and might not be able to
:08:20. > :08:24.control the spending on his promised new Universal Credit which
:08:24. > :08:27.comes in in a while. Iain Duncan Smith was offered a job last night
:08:27. > :08:32.by the Prime Minister but this morning he said no, and we have
:08:32. > :08:37.Chris Grayling as the new just a secretary which has more
:08:37. > :08:41.consequence for the Treasury. He is a hardliner. When you Shadow Home
:08:41. > :08:45.Secretary, a job he was dropped from, he produced the sorts of
:08:45. > :08:51.speeches that Tory party conference is loved. Promising to lock up more
:08:51. > :08:55.people, and you know what that means. More money from the Treasury.
:08:55. > :08:58.The Treasury are concerned about cost. What does it say, though, it
:08:58. > :09:04.Iain Duncan Smith was able to turn down the Prime Minister's offer?
:09:04. > :09:08.What does it say about the strength of the leadership? It says Iain
:09:08. > :09:12.Duncan Smith knows he can trade on the fact he is extremely popular
:09:12. > :09:17.with in his own party, as a leader who went through the top is Times,
:09:17. > :09:21.and he has a lot of support within those groups who lobby for the
:09:21. > :09:27.poorest in society. And he was willing to cash those chips in, but,
:09:27. > :09:33.as you suggest, it also says David Cameron is either not strong enough
:09:33. > :09:38.or didn't want to use his strength to say, off you go. You either move
:09:38. > :09:42.or leave. We have not had the whole picture yet. It has been quite so
:09:42. > :09:45.low. There are waiting for Iain Duncan Smith and others perhaps to
:09:45. > :09:50.decide whether they were going to take up job offers, but moving
:09:50. > :09:55.Jeremy Hunt to health is a key move. In terms of Andrew Lansley been
:09:55. > :10:00.demoted, is that a sense of failure to put out the message about the
:10:00. > :10:04.health reforms and also because Jeremy Hunt couldn't stay because
:10:05. > :10:07.of the Levison report? We don't know the answer to the first bit of
:10:07. > :10:12.that until we hear the first pronouncement of the bits no doubt
:10:12. > :10:15.at all Andrew Lansley was seen as a woefully bad public communicator.
:10:15. > :10:21.Someone who lost the confidence of doctors and nurses and other health
:10:21. > :10:25.professionals. What we don't know is whether Jeremy Hunt has been
:10:25. > :10:28.appointed to remedy that or changed the policy. Clearly, what is
:10:28. > :10:34.fascinating about this, many people will be shocked he has been
:10:34. > :10:38.promoted, expecting he might suffer, lose his job altogether from within
:10:38. > :10:42.the Cabinet from his performance. I believe the Prime Minister over the
:10:42. > :10:47.weeks and months he had to look into what Jeremy Hunt had done,
:10:47. > :10:52.came to the conclusion he had, in fact, acted honourably, defended
:10:52. > :10:58.himself decently, and was a competent administrator. That is
:10:58. > :11:03.why you get this puzzling shift from a junior job to a much more
:11:03. > :11:09.important exposed job, health. you update us on any of the other
:11:09. > :11:12.moves happening as we speak? just saw Maria Miller who was
:11:12. > :11:15.appointed as Culture Secretary. Jeremy Hunt's old job for that
:11:15. > :11:21.crucially, involved in deciding how the Government response to the
:11:21. > :11:25.lovers and report in the next few weeks. Does it, in other words, as
:11:25. > :11:30.the Prime Minister seems to suggest, say what ever the Lord Justice
:11:30. > :11:38.lovers and recommends, it will not have statutory based press
:11:39. > :11:42.She would have to do with the Olympic legacy as well. The big one
:11:42. > :11:46.we are waiting for is the Conservative Party's new chairman.
:11:46. > :11:50.It is likely to be grand chaps, who is in the building as we speak. If
:11:50. > :11:57.he doesn't get the job, it will be a shock. One of the reasons for the
:11:57. > :12:01.delay is not just that Iain Duncan Smith refused a move, but Baroness
:12:01. > :12:07.Warsi suggested she should shift, and was not happy, and there were
:12:07. > :12:10.tears last night in the Prime Minister's Office. Prime ministers
:12:10. > :12:15.sit there and have a great white board inside Downing Street. Based
:12:15. > :12:19.stick on it, yellow Post-it notes with names and faces of jobs but
:12:19. > :12:23.what they don't stick on it is who is going to break down and cry. And
:12:23. > :12:32.last night, someone did. It was the beginning of a difficult few hours.
:12:32. > :12:36.You won't tell us what was? Before we move on... It was not Ken Clarke.
:12:36. > :12:39.I can't imagine it with Ken Clarke who was eating is Tandoori last
:12:39. > :12:44.night and doesn't seem to have a care in the world. What about
:12:44. > :12:49.transport? That is crucial because of Heathrow. Again, a surprise move.
:12:49. > :12:53.David Cameron, remember, warned people against what he described as
:12:53. > :12:56.the annual reshuffle ritual and when he was trying to make point it
:12:56. > :13:00.was mad to keep moving ministers when they barely had a chance to
:13:00. > :13:04.bigger briefs, but one example he gave was transport ministers of he
:13:04. > :13:11.said Tony Blair had dozens of them and he has now had three in two
:13:11. > :13:14.years. The most extraordinary thing is just in Greening has been
:13:14. > :13:21.sidelined for repeating the Prime Minister's own election pledge that
:13:21. > :13:24.there would be no third runway at Heathrow -- Justine Greening.
:13:24. > :13:29.Patrick McLoughlin, not a public face but a well-known face in
:13:29. > :13:34.Westminster, the former chief whip, gets that job. He is a Midlands MP
:13:34. > :13:38.so has never been asked his view of a third runway in the south-east.
:13:38. > :13:42.He has no constituency interest there. He is a plain-speaking,
:13:42. > :13:48.tough guy, a formal working mind up. Popular on the Tory backbenchers,
:13:48. > :13:52.but now as something delicate to handle. Thank you for filling as in
:13:52. > :13:56.on that and we will leave you with the thought of someone crying in
:13:56. > :13:58.the Prime Minister's office. With us now is Tim Montgomerie, editor
:13:59. > :14:02.of the Conservative Home website. And the co-editor of the website
:14:02. > :14:09.Lib Dem Voice, Stephen Tall. And of course Margaret Hodge is still with
:14:09. > :14:13.us as well. Can I just let you know, Sayeeda Warsi, the former chairman,
:14:13. > :14:17.Minister of State in the foreign office. Are you surprised not that
:14:17. > :14:20.she was of that something but that she accepted it? There was
:14:20. > :14:24.speculation last night when it was revealed she was not going to be
:14:24. > :14:29.continuing to be the party chairman. That she might walk on government.
:14:29. > :14:33.I am glad she is staying than the Government, if not the Cabinet,
:14:33. > :14:37.because she is a considerable talent. Perhaps not suited to the
:14:37. > :14:43.job of party chairman. What about the issue of women? David Cameron
:14:43. > :14:46.has admitted he wanted to have a better connection with women voters.
:14:46. > :14:52.Moving a key people like Sayeeda Warsi and Justin Greene and out of
:14:52. > :15:00.Cabinet, not a clever move if you want to send a message to women --
:15:00. > :15:07.Justine Greening. I think we will see two women join the Cabinet,
:15:07. > :15:13.Teresa Villiers and Maria Miller. I think we'll see talented women,
:15:13. > :15:19.2010 intake appointed to the first round. But not in the Cabinet.
:15:19. > :15:24.Maria Miller and Teresa Villiers. We lose Caroline Spelman and Cheryl
:15:24. > :15:26.Gillan. I think, overall, across government, I think the number of
:15:26. > :15:30.the mill ministers will be increased and that's important
:15:30. > :15:33.because the most long-term implication of this reshuffle will
:15:33. > :15:38.be the people that David Cameron picks from the new intake, the
:15:38. > :15:41.front people for the Tory party in the future. Perhaps even leaders.
:15:41. > :15:51.We were a good indication he David Cameron identified as those people
:15:51. > :15:54.
:15:54. > :15:58.later today. We will that appease I think overall it is a good
:15:58. > :16:01.reshuffle for what you call the right, I would call the mainstream
:16:01. > :16:05.of the Conservative Party. Chris Grayling and Theresa Villiers are
:16:05. > :16:09.both of the mainstream, they have got new jobs, a big promotion for
:16:09. > :16:12.Owen Paterson. There is more balance in the Cabinet than there
:16:12. > :16:17.was. Parts of the party fell slightly excluded, and I think that
:16:17. > :16:23.has been addressed by the reshuffle, it is good news. From the Liberal
:16:23. > :16:28.Democrat perspective, what does it do for coalition relations?
:16:28. > :16:31.five Lib Dem ministers will stay in place, most of it seems to have
:16:31. > :16:35.involved the Conservative Party. We will be sorry to see Ken Clarke
:16:35. > :16:38.move from the Justice Department. I think if Lib Dems had a choice
:16:38. > :16:43.between Ken Clarke and Chris Grayling, we would definitely
:16:43. > :16:46.choose Ken Clarke. His emphasis on approaching the Justice Department
:16:46. > :16:49.brief with a clear focus on evidence-based policy has been
:16:49. > :16:53.refreshing from a Conservative minister, and we will wait to see
:16:53. > :16:57.whether it happens with Chris Grayling as well. What about David
:16:57. > :17:01.Laws coming back in as number two to Michael Gove? Is that what
:17:01. > :17:04.Liberal Democrats wanted to see? Rather than in having a more
:17:04. > :17:10.central role on the economy, doing the sort of thing Ken Clarke will
:17:10. > :17:14.be doing? David Laws has been doing this behind the scenes anyway. In
:17:14. > :17:18.one sense, there will not be much change of his influence, in
:17:18. > :17:23.particular with Nick Clegg. What is interesting is putting together two
:17:23. > :17:27.quite ideologically similar numbers, Michael Gove and David Laws as the
:17:27. > :17:31.top two in education. They both agree on issues like free schools
:17:31. > :17:35.and academies, controversial within the Lib Dems, not in the
:17:35. > :17:39.Conservative Party. What do Lib Dems think of Michael Gove? They
:17:39. > :17:44.are split. Some champion the idea of schools' freedom. More within
:17:44. > :17:47.the Lib Dems are worried about the fact of what is happening in the
:17:47. > :17:51.education system, the over concentration on the elite top
:17:51. > :17:56.ability kids and less of a focus on those kids from disadvantaged
:17:56. > :18:00.backgrounds. Your response, Margaret Hodge, a more balanced
:18:00. > :18:04.Cabinet, more balanced government? The Lib Dems staying put, Vince
:18:04. > :18:08.Cable staying in his important role, David Laws coming back in. That
:18:08. > :18:13.will be popular with Liberal Democrats. I have to make a general
:18:13. > :18:17.point, I do not know if Tim would disagree, but this is not age
:18:18. > :18:22.change of policy. In the community, people, do they really know Patrick
:18:22. > :18:26.McLoughlin is? Isn't that the case with all reshuffles? It is always
:18:26. > :18:31.about shuttling the people. Sometimes it is about a real shift
:18:31. > :18:35.in policy. If you look, the economy is the key issue for us, and there
:18:35. > :18:39.has been no shift in policy there, and we need growth, people are
:18:39. > :18:43.worried about recession. Can I say something about women? It is not
:18:43. > :18:47.good enough to say it is only one less. Every year ought to be more
:18:47. > :18:57.women being promoted. I agree that there are a lot of talented new
:18:57. > :19:00.women in the Conservatives since the 2010 election, but I think it
:19:00. > :19:06.is not a good step to see a reduction in the number of women in
:19:06. > :19:10.Cabinet at this time. Let's pickup on the economy, the key plank of
:19:10. > :19:14.policy will remain the same. Are you happy about that? In your mind,
:19:14. > :19:20.was there ever a point when David Cameron thought he would move
:19:20. > :19:26.George Osborne? No, not at all. be fair, it is difficult to move
:19:26. > :19:29.chancellors. As Tony Blair found out with Gordon Brown! Unlike
:19:30. > :19:33.Margaret Hodge's government, we have a Prime Minister and
:19:33. > :19:36.Chancellor to get on incredibly well, there is no tension at the
:19:36. > :19:39.heart of government. Some people think that if you move George
:19:39. > :19:42.Osborne, there would be a different policy on deficit reduction of
:19:42. > :19:47.growth. That was never going to happen, it is a policy that all the
:19:47. > :19:51.top players in government have signed up to. A lot of the people
:19:51. > :19:55.frustrated with the lack of a growth agenda, George Osborne is an
:19:56. > :19:59.ally of the right on most of these years. On tax cutting. Tax-cutting,
:19:59. > :20:06.energy policy. If he cannot deliver the things that David Davis once,
:20:06. > :20:11.nobody else will be able to. But to pick up on, was it a symbol at the
:20:11. > :20:14.Paralympics, the unpopularity, people feel because there is no
:20:14. > :20:17.growth and there is a double-dip recession, would a big move, not
:20:17. > :20:22.George Osborne but some sort of change being signalled would mean
:20:22. > :20:25.the reshuffle was greater than just a moving of the deck chairs. That
:20:25. > :20:29.is maybe what some people would want, but let's be clear, because
:20:29. > :20:32.of the terrible mess that the Labour Party left this country end,
:20:32. > :20:37.we are having to take incredibly difficult decisions as a coalition
:20:37. > :20:40.government. These are the biggest cuts, bigger than anything Margaret
:20:40. > :20:45.Thatcher ever managed, and of course George Osborne gets the
:20:45. > :20:50.blame for that. In a couple of years' time, if the economy starts
:20:50. > :20:53.to grow, what will be the choice at the election? A choice between two
:20:53. > :20:58.parties who have taken tough decisions and a party which created
:20:58. > :21:03.the mess and opposed the difficult decisions. I cannot let him get
:21:03. > :21:09.away with that! I mean, clearly there is an issue about the deficit,
:21:09. > :21:15.but to say a double-dip recession, the negative growth we are in at
:21:15. > :21:18.the moment is not the result of this government's's policy over two
:21:18. > :21:24.is into this government, I just think it is wrong. And there is an
:21:24. > :21:30.alternative economic strategy... Moving George Osborne. It might
:21:30. > :21:35.have meant, hang on. They came in and said they were going to reverse
:21:35. > :21:39.austerity in France. They have not been able to. Labour is the only
:21:39. > :21:43.party in Europe that is in cloud cuckoo land, ignoring the realities.
:21:43. > :21:46.We are going to do more of this in just a moment, but Nick Clegg had
:21:46. > :21:49.to endure a rather stormy ride in the Commons yesterday as he
:21:49. > :21:54.confirmed that the government had dropped its plans to reform the
:21:54. > :21:57.House of Lords. The DPM also confirmed that his party would not
:21:57. > :22:00.support the bill to redraw the constituency boundaries, which
:22:00. > :22:03.would have benefited the Conservatives at the next election.
:22:03. > :22:09.Mr Clegg began by explaining he had decided to drop Lords reform
:22:09. > :22:13.because the Commons could not agree on a timetable for the bill.
:22:13. > :22:19.It is now clear that we will not be able to secure the Commons majority
:22:19. > :22:23.needed to pass the programme motion that the company's the bill.
:22:23. > :22:26.Without that motion, the bill effectively becomes impossible to
:22:26. > :22:32.deliver. We share his disappointment at a lack of
:22:32. > :22:36.progress on reform of the House of Lords. It can't be right to... It
:22:36. > :22:41.can't be right that in the 21st century we have an unelected
:22:41. > :22:44.chamber making decisions on the law of the land. I join with him in
:22:44. > :22:48.thanking the joint committee of both Houses. Despite the cross-
:22:48. > :22:52.party talks, the white paper and the draft bill, they did remain
:22:52. > :22:56.issues to be resolved, not least the powers of the new second
:22:56. > :22:59.chamber, the electoral process and a referendum, but we should have
:23:00. > :23:03.been able to make progress, and we share his disappointment on the
:23:03. > :23:13.stalling of reform. It is unfinished business, and we should
:23:13. > :23:21.return to it. She gets 10 out of 10 for spectacular insincerity! For
:23:21. > :23:25.the Labour Party... The Labour Party... The Labour Party used to
:23:25. > :23:30.campaign against privilege and patronage. The Labour Party used to
:23:30. > :23:33.say it was the party of the people! What did they do when they had the
:23:33. > :23:37.opportunity? They voted for the idea of reform but not for the
:23:37. > :23:41.means to deliver it. I think my right honourable friend should
:23:41. > :23:47.comfort himself, he gave it his best shot with all of his sincerity,
:23:47. > :23:52.and we respect him for that. But may I draw my right honourable
:23:52. > :23:55.friend's attention to the fact that the constituencies bill remains in
:23:55. > :24:00.force, and that all the boundaries Commission remain under a duty to
:24:00. > :24:07.bring forward proposals for a house of 600 members. Can he instruct
:24:07. > :24:12.them to stop? He does not have that power, so is he therefore not
:24:12. > :24:16.simply going to obstruct a constitutional process for his own
:24:16. > :24:19.party political advantage? I have made it clear that since I
:24:19. > :24:25.reasonably believe that the constitutional reform package was
:24:25. > :24:29.exactly that, a package, and that since this is the first time that
:24:29. > :24:34.either of the coalition parties was unable to deliver on a major
:24:34. > :24:39.coalition agreement commitments, it is therefore right to rebalance
:24:39. > :24:46.things and not to proceed with an unbalanced package. Every cloud and
:24:46. > :24:51.a silver lining! The House of Lords survives, and when the Liberal
:24:51. > :24:59.Democrats dump him as leader, he will qualify for a peerage! Will he
:24:59. > :25:04.take it?! I knew what was going to be a nice one! No, I will not. I
:25:04. > :25:08.think... Personally I do not think... Let me explain, let me
:25:08. > :25:14.explain. I do not think I would be very welcome in the current House
:25:14. > :25:19.of Lords, given my somewhat undiplomatic descriptions of the
:25:19. > :25:24.illegitimacy of the house. Secondly, I personally will not take up a
:25:24. > :25:27.place in an unreformed House of Lords. Call me old fashioned, it
:25:27. > :25:31.sticks in her throat. I have campaigned all my life, my party
:25:31. > :25:41.has campaigned for decades now for the simple idea of democracy, and
:25:41. > :25:42.
:25:42. > :25:45.Nick Clegg the House of Commons yesterday. Still with me are Tim
:25:45. > :25:49.Montgomery of Conservative Home and Stephen Tall of the Lib Dem Voice.
:25:49. > :25:53.Let's update viewers on the latest moves, Justine Greening may have
:25:53. > :25:56.gone from transport but has been given international development,
:25:56. > :25:59.the new Secretary of State for International Development,
:25:59. > :26:03.replacing Andrew Mitchell. David Jones is the new Welsh Secretary
:26:03. > :26:08.will stop Owen Paterson is replaced by Theresa Villiers as Northern
:26:08. > :26:12.Ireland secretary and becomes Secretary of State for DEFRA. The
:26:12. > :26:18.big news is that Grant Shapps, the Housing Minister, has become the
:26:18. > :26:20.new Tory chairman. Your response. Well, the two most important
:26:20. > :26:24.appointments that David Cameron will make today is the chief whip
:26:24. > :26:28.that was announced last night, Andrew Mitchell, and Grant Shapps,
:26:28. > :26:32.party chairman. Policy is not going to change, I think we have agreed
:26:32. > :26:35.that, but this Government needs more disciplined, the Conservative
:26:35. > :26:40.Party is incredibly rebellious at the moment. It is about the party.
:26:40. > :26:46.And it needs more hope for the future. The Chief Whip is bringing
:26:46. > :26:52.discipline, we hope! Really? He is popular and widely respected, his
:26:52. > :26:55.nickname is Thrasher. It is true that the whips Office has not been
:26:55. > :26:59.the central institution that it was in the past in Tory government. By
:26:59. > :27:03.the end of the day, I think we will see by the nature of the junior
:27:03. > :27:06.whip appointments the brightest and best Conservatives are no longer
:27:06. > :27:10.going straight into frontbench departments, they are going into
:27:10. > :27:13.the whips office, which is considerably strengthened. Added to
:27:13. > :27:17.that, a party chairman has the confidence of most of the
:27:17. > :27:22.parliamentary party, liked by the grassroots, good on TV, we will see
:27:22. > :27:28.the sort of faith in the future, hope for the future. Just generally,
:27:28. > :27:30.I think one of the problems with a reshuffle, and I lived through many,
:27:30. > :27:35.is that it disappoints many more people than it pleases. That is
:27:35. > :27:39.true, yeah. What has surprised me about the Conservative government
:27:39. > :27:42.is the extent of rebellions this early on in the light of the
:27:42. > :27:45.Conservative government. After today, you are going to get many
:27:45. > :27:50.more disappointed people, people who have been sacked, people who
:27:50. > :27:54.did not come in. On the whole, every reshuffle, you may have 20
:27:54. > :27:57.people who are happy in a very large bunch of people. I think the
:27:57. > :28:04.idea that this is done to help party discipline when you have
:28:04. > :28:08.already got a culture of rebellion is hope over reality. I do not
:28:08. > :28:14.think we can view this coalition reshuffle through an ordinary prism
:28:14. > :28:18.of reshuffles. Not only is the process different, Nick Clegg is
:28:18. > :28:23.responsible for the Conservative side of things... Sorry, he wishes!
:28:23. > :28:27.That makes it different, the whole mechanics of how you reshuffle,
:28:27. > :28:31.once we set the Domino's rolling, who does move into ridge position.
:28:31. > :28:35.The biggest point that makes a difference is who fills which
:28:35. > :28:38.department matters less within a coalition, because the coalition
:28:38. > :28:42.agreement is overarching, and policies have to be jointly agreed.
:28:42. > :28:46.And what is more important as we were listening to that debate is
:28:46. > :28:50.talking about boundary changes. In the end, is that going to be a more
:28:51. > :28:54.defining moment of the Liberal Democrats if they do not back
:28:54. > :28:57.legislation for boundary changes? Yeah, I think it will be. What
:28:57. > :29:00.happened in the summer was that both parties took a look into the
:29:00. > :29:05.void. The Conservatives had proposed house of Lords reform in
:29:05. > :29:08.the manifesto and agreed to it in the coalition, and they said no,
:29:08. > :29:12.and Nick Clegg did the same for boundary changes. They both looked
:29:12. > :29:18.into the abyss of what happens if the coalition splits up, saw it was
:29:18. > :29:20.a frightening prospect for both parties and have drawn back. Over
:29:20. > :29:28.in the Houses of Parliament, the central lobby has been awash with
:29:28. > :29:32.rumours. Carol Walker is there. thank you, Jo. MPs are all parties
:29:32. > :29:35.are digest in the details of that reshuffle, and in particular in the
:29:35. > :29:39.last few minutes that news that Grant Shapps will be the new
:29:39. > :29:44.Conservative Party chairman. I enjoyed by Mark Pritchard path the
:29:44. > :29:48.Conservative Party and Andrew George from the Lib Dems, thank you
:29:48. > :29:53.for joining me. If I can start with you, Mark, we were hearing a
:29:53. > :29:58.discussion about what this would do to conserve the party discipline
:29:59. > :30:08.and morale, a new party chairman in Grant Shapps, a new chief whip in
:30:08. > :30:13.Andrew Mitchell. How do you think Grant Shapps is a great
:30:13. > :30:18.communicator. Despite the obvious talents of Baroness Warsi, I feel
:30:18. > :30:24.we need a chairman and acted to the House of Commons. It will be
:30:24. > :30:27.interesting to see whether that is delay co-chairman role, but I think
:30:28. > :30:32.it will simply be an opportunity for Grant Shapps to get out into
:30:32. > :30:37.the country and communicate our message and I think he will be very
:30:37. > :30:40.good at that. I'm also absolutely delighted that Andrew Mitchell is
:30:40. > :30:44.now the Chief Whip. Patrick McLoughlin stays as transport
:30:44. > :30:51.secretary. Very well respected across the House but Andrew
:30:51. > :30:55.Mitchell is a very shrewd politician, very underestimated.
:30:55. > :30:59.Better to be underestimated ban over estimated, as Churchill said.
:31:00. > :31:03.I think he will be bringing some and the party and I have a huge
:31:03. > :31:06.amount of respect for Andrew Mitchell. We haven't had too many
:31:06. > :31:13.of the Lib Dem it moves, suggestions David Laws may come
:31:13. > :31:16.back in a junior role, may be taking Sarah Teather's job. What
:31:16. > :31:21.will this do to the balance and the relationship between the coalition
:31:21. > :31:27.partners? Mathematically, things will remain the same. The
:31:27. > :31:32.announcement so far is private and internal matters for the
:31:32. > :31:38.Conservative Party. Whilst I understand that there is a sense of
:31:38. > :31:42.obligation on the part of any Prime Minister who wants to appear to
:31:42. > :31:48.pass the virility test and repaid to shake up his Cabinet and so on,
:31:48. > :31:51.and David Cameron made clear he would do that this summer, I think
:31:51. > :32:00.whilst it's interesting, it's also brutal to people like Caroline
:32:00. > :32:05.Spelman, or I think is done a very good job in DEFRA. People have been
:32:05. > :32:10.talking about the underlying problems of government. The economy.
:32:10. > :32:15.George Osborne is stain and Vince Cable is staying but Patrick
:32:15. > :32:18.McLoughlin, transport, it leaves scope for a wider look at the
:32:18. > :32:23.aviation issue. Do you think we will see significant changes when
:32:23. > :32:27.it comes to that whole agenda? will have to wait and see but I
:32:27. > :32:31.don't think a third runway at Heathrow is a silver bullet for
:32:31. > :32:38.helping the economy. But I do think it will come. I always felt it was
:32:38. > :32:45.the case. I think there will be a wider strategic review of how we
:32:45. > :32:50.use the airports such as Birmingham and Bristol. Your party is opposed
:32:50. > :32:52.strongly to it. We were opposed to it and the last general election so
:32:52. > :32:57.it will be interesting discussion in the Cabinet. Nothing has been
:32:57. > :33:02.said about it, but there has been a lot of shadow-boxing on the issue.
:33:02. > :33:05.Obviously, we can read a certain amount into the move of Justine
:33:05. > :33:09.Greening to international development. She will need to be
:33:09. > :33:14.aware lot and no doubt there will be a lot of movement back home.
:33:15. > :33:19.you think that shows the Prime Minister is aware that yesterday
:33:19. > :33:24.more to keep his party on board. People say the policies matter but
:33:24. > :33:30.people do matter. We need to deliver on policies bought up Ken
:33:30. > :33:36.Clarke, delighted to see him remaining with the Cabinet. He is
:33:36. > :33:41.the biggest, heaviest hitter in government. We need him. He is the
:33:41. > :33:46.provocation of experience and I'm glad he's there. OK, thank you.
:33:46. > :33:49.That's it for now. Thank you very much. If there's one thing MPs love,
:33:49. > :33:52.it's pointing out the mistakes of others. And those lucky enough to
:33:52. > :33:55.sit on select committees have the power to haul officials, ministers
:33:55. > :33:57.and pretty much anyone else they like over the coals. Sometimes
:33:57. > :34:04.though, those MPs are themselves criticised for failing to land a
:34:04. > :34:06.punch on their intended targets. There is one exception however. The
:34:06. > :34:09.Public Accounts Committee regularly names and shames departments it
:34:09. > :34:13.believes are guilty of wasting public money. But fun to watch as
:34:13. > :34:23.it might be, is duffing up senior civil servants the best way to
:34:23. > :34:24.
:34:24. > :34:30.protect taxpayers' cash? David The mighty opposites of state run
:34:30. > :34:38.by an army of civil servants. Not much frightens the people who work
:34:38. > :34:42.here except a small band of MPs. The Public Accounts Committee.
:34:42. > :34:45.are spending a lot of money and it doesn't look, I can't understand
:34:45. > :34:49.what you're spending it on. Sometimes journalists have been
:34:49. > :34:53.known to describe committees as powerful and influential and, to be
:34:53. > :34:57.honest, they are neither of the above. The Public Accounts
:34:57. > :35:01.Committee however is the real deal. Working the the National Audit
:35:01. > :35:05.Office its job is to scrutinise how much our money government
:35:05. > :35:10.dependence are spending and whether spending it wisely and trust me,
:35:10. > :35:16.they do not hold back., have a minutes' time out? No, I don't see
:35:16. > :35:22.why sure the minutes' time out at all. We have the power to make you
:35:22. > :35:26.give evidence under oath and we are doing so. Key the most powerful
:35:26. > :35:30.committee since it was created by the Gladstone in the middle of the
:35:30. > :35:37.19th century because it's the only one which has sufficient
:35:37. > :35:43.information to do the job properly. The National Audit Office creates
:35:43. > :35:47.weapons, and hands the MP and beat Public Accounts Committee bullets.
:35:47. > :35:51.Beautifully fashioned bullets to fire at the heads of those there
:35:51. > :35:55.are interrogating. Does the Public Accounts Committee changed the way
:35:55. > :35:59.departments behave or is the humiliation of civil servant little
:35:59. > :36:07.more than good political television? How do just by that
:36:07. > :36:15.cost? Where are those figures? Again, I will find it for you.
:36:15. > :36:19.had a criticism, it would be this. They don't often enough pick on
:36:19. > :36:24.examples of good public expenditure. And good procurement and say, look,
:36:24. > :36:27.it can be done, treat this as exemplary and replicated. They
:36:27. > :36:33.could do much more of that and that would be wonderful way of
:36:33. > :36:36.increasing the chances of a virtuous department. Maybe, but
:36:36. > :36:43.don't expect the committee to become pussycats any time soon.
:36:43. > :36:48.are not talking about shrinking violence -- by let's we are talking
:36:48. > :36:58.about people on six-figure salaries and they must be accountable -- of
:36:58. > :37:08.
:37:08. > :37:13.Very scary. You may sound tough but the question is, has actually
:37:13. > :37:19.changed anything? I am determined that it should. It hasn't done so
:37:19. > :37:25.far. It has, actually. If by take one example. When we look at the
:37:25. > :37:29.whole way in which the HMRC dealt with major companies, and the
:37:30. > :37:38.Goldman Sachs affair, you may remember that, actually, we have
:37:38. > :37:42.got a change in the way that HMRC approaches those sorts of issues.
:37:42. > :37:47.We have got to make sure people authorise those deals are different
:37:47. > :37:52.from the people who make them. And we have got a better accountability
:37:52. > :37:58.structure in place, so we have changed that. One of the things I
:37:58. > :38:02.have changed is that, when we make recommendations. In the past they
:38:02. > :38:07.went into the library. Now we come back to them six months later, and
:38:07. > :38:11.if the Departments have not implemented the recommendations, we
:38:11. > :38:21.bring the senior officials back in front of us again. There is a
:38:21. > :38:21.
:38:21. > :38:24.follow-up. You mentioned the HMRC. Was that a justifiable behaviour by
:38:24. > :38:30.your committee to make the lawyer testify on oath giving evidence
:38:30. > :38:36.about this? Was that too heavy- handed? We were incredibly
:38:36. > :38:41.frustrated because he was failing to answer questions directly.
:38:41. > :38:45.Something we have a problem with with politicians. Indeed. But our
:38:46. > :38:51.job is to hold the officials to account for the money they had
:38:51. > :38:56.spent. Tax payers money. Was it theatre? Yes, it was, but actually,
:38:56. > :39:00.on the whole, was the exercise in relation to the way the department
:39:00. > :39:05.deals with big companies effectively, I think it was a
:39:05. > :39:11.success story. How much money do you think the taxpayer has been
:39:11. > :39:17.saved as a result of some of the things you have done? I would hate
:39:17. > :39:22.to put a figure on it. I think our existence itself helps. People know
:39:22. > :39:25.they have got to, just by themselves in front of us. The fact
:39:25. > :39:32.we are monitoring helps because people know that we are going to
:39:32. > :39:36.come back to them. I think the waste, honestly, is horrible. There
:39:36. > :39:44.was one afternoon early on when we were looking up defence procurement.
:39:44. > :39:50.Literally, in at 2.5 others we uncovered �80 billion worth of
:39:51. > :39:58.money drawn up. You are saving millions of pounds. Billions.
:39:58. > :40:02.much as that. Let's move on to this report about foreign students.
:40:02. > :40:06.Under license being withdrawn from London Metropolitan University. Do
:40:06. > :40:11.you think that is fair? The points system was brought in by Labour
:40:11. > :40:16.originally. Are you saying it has failed? I'm not being partisan on
:40:16. > :40:21.this issue, and that's one of the joys of the job, that you can look
:40:22. > :40:25.at how effective governance is. And I think there is an essential
:40:25. > :40:28.attention which has been an resolved by both the Labour
:40:28. > :40:33.government and Conservative government. On the one hand, we
:40:33. > :40:37.want to attract the best students, we want their intellectual
:40:37. > :40:41.capabilities and their money. On the other hand, the Government
:40:41. > :40:45.wants to demonstrate it is tough on immigration controls or so I think
:40:45. > :40:49.that tension has come out in the way he handled it. Whose fault is
:40:49. > :40:54.it opera but many foreign students able to come here and work, not
:40:54. > :41:00.study? It's partly a policy fault, but also there was a real
:41:00. > :41:03.administrative fault. The UK board Agency has simply failed to
:41:03. > :41:06.implement the policy effectively. Something a little different.
:41:06. > :41:09.Over-run by mice, contaminated with asbestos, a leaking roof and
:41:09. > :41:12.crumbling walls. No, not the Daily Politics set, but according to MPs,
:41:12. > :41:15.our very own Houses of Parliament. So, is a costly refurbishment on
:41:15. > :41:19.the cards? Will MPs and Lords have to move out so the builders can
:41:19. > :41:25.move in? And what might a spruced up, 21st century parliament look
:41:25. > :41:28.like? Giles Dilnot investigates. Ah, the mother of all Parliaments.
:41:28. > :41:31.Looked at like this. It's a stone status symbol. Democracies.
:41:31. > :41:38.Architectural shock and awe. However it's apparently it's in
:41:38. > :41:44.shocking state. Nobody is actually saying the thing is going to fall
:41:44. > :41:49.down tomorrow but the problem is, it's a little bit like the Tube. In
:41:49. > :41:55.is getting old. The bits you can't see, they're not that great. And
:41:55. > :42:00.the other thing is, it is full of rodents. So many jokes, so little
:42:00. > :42:08.time. This thousands of my sport that it's not by mistake there is a
:42:08. > :42:13.cat at Number Ten, either. There's not enough female toilets. And
:42:13. > :42:17.thanks to Robin Cook, there is just one cafe for the public. It is time
:42:17. > :42:23.it was modernised for modern-day usage. Now the House of Commons
:42:23. > :42:27.Commission has said the building is structurally sound. But is
:42:27. > :42:29.preparing a report on what needs to be made good, and the list is long
:42:29. > :42:32.and expensive. There's some reports the bill's in the billions? And
:42:32. > :42:36.borrowing from a Tory electoral mantra, they just can't go on like
:42:36. > :42:42.this. And of course, when you've got the builders in, you want the
:42:42. > :42:45.resident's out. Be it you managed to drag them kicking and screaming
:42:45. > :42:49.for five years from this place, they still have got to have
:42:49. > :42:55.something to do whatever it is they do. Where on earth would you put
:42:55. > :42:59.them? We've just had a successful Olympics. Just down the road, in
:42:59. > :43:02.Hackney, beer is the media centre, which, although we hope will create
:43:02. > :43:06.jobs in the long term, in the short term it could be a place were
:43:06. > :43:10.Parliament goes. Instead of Westminster, we get East Minster at
:43:10. > :43:16.the media centre. Seven minutes from St Pancras, right next to City
:43:16. > :43:21.Airport. If you need to come and Westminster, 20 minutes on the Tube.
:43:21. > :43:24.I will be the three options to get the work done. You could go back to
:43:24. > :43:31.having a summer recess of three months, to do the work in three
:43:31. > :43:35.months and come out. Then let us come back for two weeks. If that's
:43:35. > :43:41.not palatable, get the commissioners to start rearranging
:43:41. > :43:48.the parliamentary conference season so we sit here off the blocks, so
:43:48. > :43:51.work can carry through. Or move the House of Lords to Cambridge, and
:43:51. > :43:55.then stick a House of Commons in the House of Lords. And then bring
:43:55. > :44:01.us all back. Oh yes! Perhaps it's not surprising it's quietly got run
:44:02. > :44:05.down. If you only rely on the tradition of sending Beefeaters to
:44:05. > :44:10.the basement for a look around once every Queen's speech, what did you
:44:10. > :44:12.expect? And the Conservative MP, Jacob
:44:12. > :44:20.Rees-Mogg is here. And Charlie Mullins, Founder of Pimlico
:44:20. > :44:25.Plumbers and Roofers is also here. First of all how bad is it? If you
:44:26. > :44:30.were describing this in estate agent terms, how bad -- but is it?
:44:30. > :44:34.Fantastic. I don't see what the fuss is about. What do you need the
:44:34. > :44:37.parliament building for, the chamber. The chamber is magnificent.
:44:37. > :44:44.People have seen the odd mouse but I would not make a fuss about it.
:44:44. > :44:47.Does that bother you? Jacob has an office on the same for as me but
:44:47. > :44:51.there are five pockets, and they have been there for about six
:44:51. > :44:56.months. Looking up with water. Clearly, somebody has got to sort
:44:56. > :44:59.it out. Maybe you could come and do it for us because it's driving us
:44:59. > :45:06.mad and you have to go over electric cables for that quite
:45:06. > :45:12.dangerous as you go to the loo. You will have seen them, Jacob. There's
:45:12. > :45:16.stuff which needs to be done. We should fix it. Old buildings always
:45:16. > :45:25.a problem but I don't bigot that bad. You wouldn't advise a
:45:25. > :45:31.refurbishment? A little bit of If it were one's own house, one
:45:31. > :45:36.would do a bit of patching and mending. You might have to rewire
:45:36. > :45:42.in your own house. We do not have the money, we must not waste money
:45:42. > :45:47.on politicians' comfort. The issue of cost, in the end, is what Jacob
:45:47. > :45:52.proposes going to cost the taxpayer more if it is just a bit of patch
:45:52. > :45:57.and mend every year or so, rather than a complete refit? What would
:45:57. > :46:01.be cheaper? Obviously, it is going to be cheaper if they are hatching
:46:01. > :46:05.at the moment, but I think we are missing the point. 3 billion would
:46:05. > :46:09.be a good investment. We should move them all out, get new premises,
:46:09. > :46:16.keep them in the new premises, which would make this a much more
:46:16. > :46:21.modern parliament that we have, they would be more effective. Make
:46:21. > :46:26.it a tourist attraction. I think that is the way we should go.
:46:26. > :46:32.you do it for under 3 billion? be honest, I know the place is
:46:32. > :46:36.running with rats, and I think there is a vermin problem also!
:46:36. > :46:40.they different kind! What I am saying, it is a great opportunity,
:46:40. > :46:45.and I believe the government could get a lot of youngsters working in
:46:45. > :46:52.there. Coming back to the cost, how much would you Charles for a new
:46:52. > :46:57.roof? -- charge. We are guessing here, it would be millions, you
:46:57. > :47:02.cannot even get something like that. The problem we have got, with its
:47:02. > :47:08.stake to 3 billion? We all know that is the starting point. Would
:47:08. > :47:12.you be prepared to move out? certainly not. Rather than having a
:47:12. > :47:16.three-month recess, which is just a suggestion, wouldn't it be better
:47:16. > :47:21.to move out? Technically, the Queen can summon parliament where she
:47:21. > :47:26.wants. By convention, it is at her palace in Westminster, and that has
:47:26. > :47:29.been followed since the late 17th century. It would be awful to move
:47:29. > :47:33.out of this historic area that rips us with our history and where
:47:33. > :47:42.legislation has been made for such a long time, to go to the East End
:47:42. > :47:48.or heaven knows where else. Listen, the East End is a good blaze! I
:47:48. > :47:52.feel a bit more ambivalent. would move out. I think it is a
:47:52. > :47:55.wonderful building, and I have some sympathy with the idea of turning
:47:56. > :47:59.it into an historic building, but I love working there. There are
:48:00. > :48:04.things we could do for modern politics, rather than this
:48:04. > :48:10.confrontational arrangement, two sides of the chamber, a circular
:48:10. > :48:15.chamber where people are more collaborative. Combative is not a
:48:15. > :48:19.bad thing, Jacob. I think confrontational politics, as in the
:48:19. > :48:24.course, is very effective, because you smash ideas together to see the
:48:24. > :48:28.good ones survive. Consensus politics leads to an awful lot of
:48:28. > :48:34.five and no one being clearly in charge. Collaboration might lead to
:48:34. > :48:38.better ideas. Are you waiting for a call from the Prime Minister?
:48:38. > :48:44.should he be calling me? And not sitting on the edge of my seat, I
:48:44. > :48:47.would not be here, you made me switch add my telephone! Thank you
:48:48. > :48:54.both very much. Do not think if we had a modern parliament it would
:48:54. > :48:57.attract a different breed of people into it? You get the last word!
:48:57. > :49:01.Let's returned to the main political story of the day, the
:49:01. > :49:04.unfolding reshuffle. Ken Clarke is leaving his job as Justice
:49:04. > :49:11.Secretary to take on a new roving role in the Cabinet Office,
:49:11. > :49:14.advising on economic policy. He is replaced by Chris Carillion. --
:49:14. > :49:17.Chris Grayling. Andrew Mitchell becomes the new government chief
:49:17. > :49:21.whip. He is replaced by Justine Greening at international
:49:21. > :49:26.development. At Transport, Patrick McLoughlin takes over. Caroline
:49:26. > :49:31.Spelman is replaced by Owen Paterson as Environment Secretary.
:49:31. > :49:35.He moves from Northern Ireland Secretary. Sayeeda Warsi loses her
:49:35. > :49:41.job as co-chair of the Conservative Party, despite publicly say she
:49:41. > :49:45.wanted to stay. She will still attend Cabinet. The new chairman is
:49:45. > :49:49.Grant Shapps. Andrew Lansley is moved from Health Secretary to
:49:49. > :49:53.leader of the House of Commons. He is replaced by Jeremy Hunt from
:49:53. > :49:56.Culture, Media and Sport, where Maria Miller enters the Cabinet for
:49:56. > :50:00.the first time. On the Liberal Democrat side of the coalition,
:50:00. > :50:04.Sarah Teather is replaced as Education Minister pied David Laws,
:50:04. > :50:08.who had to leave Cabinet in 2010 after breaking expenses rules. All
:50:08. > :50:13.in all, a pretty busy morning, and this is a taste of how some of the
:50:13. > :50:17.people reacted to their new jobs. It is a lovely day for a stroll
:50:17. > :50:26.along Whitehall. Are you going to meet the Prime Minister? It is a
:50:26. > :50:29.beautiful day. I had an agreement with David, we have stuck to it,
:50:29. > :50:34.and I am pleasantly surprised he has asked me to stay on in Cabinet
:50:34. > :50:38.at a different role, some on economy, some on national security.
:50:38. > :50:42.Jeremy Hunt, have you got the Health Secretary job? What is your
:50:42. > :50:45.task going to be with the health service? It is the biggest
:50:45. > :50:49.privilege of my life, I am incredibly honoured and very much
:50:49. > :50:55.looking forward to getting on with the job. Delighted, cannot wait to
:50:55. > :51:00.get started. Is it a big challenge, Northern Ireland? Absolutely.
:51:00. > :51:03.discuss those changes we are joined by the BBC political editor Nick
:51:03. > :51:09.Robinson, he was still in Downing Street. Your thoughts at the end of
:51:09. > :51:12.all those reshuffles. My first thought is this, that reshuffles by
:51:12. > :51:16.ministers hope will give them massive political boost. David
:51:16. > :51:21.Cameron was not helped on day one when he discovered that Iain Duncan
:51:21. > :51:25.Smith would not move to Justice Secretary. He is not helped now. We
:51:25. > :51:28.have just had a statement from the Tory pin-up and heart-throb Boris
:51:28. > :51:33.Johnson, the blonde bombshell of British politics, who has condemned
:51:33. > :51:37.the reshuffle already. He says it is simply mad to have moved someone
:51:37. > :51:42.that he regards as a first-rate Transport Secretary. He described
:51:42. > :51:47.it as a plot to bring about a third runway at Heathrow, and he goes on,
:51:47. > :51:53.Jo, to say he will fight it all away. Just the sort of political
:51:53. > :51:56.start to want after a reshuffle! That is some threat, because Boris
:51:56. > :52:00.Johnson's political credibility rose over the summer. It could
:52:00. > :52:05.cause some danger. It could indeed. Justine Greening had been saying
:52:05. > :52:09.behind the scenes that if she were moved, she would be the First
:52:09. > :52:12.Minister in history moved for echoing her party's policy and our
:52:12. > :52:17.Prime Minister's pledge at a general election. Well, she has
:52:17. > :52:21.been moved, she is a London MP, for Putney, she was very clearly
:52:21. > :52:25.opposed to any third runway at Heathrow. The government clearly
:52:25. > :52:31.wants to keep that option open, if not before 2015, after it, and she
:52:31. > :52:35.has paid with their job, and the Prime Minister now gets, for his
:52:35. > :52:39.efforts, a blooming great political row about it. There will be other
:52:39. > :52:42.rows in other areas. It seems to me that Jeremy Hunt, the new Health
:52:43. > :52:45.Secretary, will discover that every single pressure group within the
:52:45. > :52:50.health service, nurses' representatives, doctors and
:52:50. > :52:55.everyone else, will not say, Well um, Minister. What they will say is,
:52:55. > :53:00.can you tear up these reforms, we do not like them! He will either do
:53:00. > :53:04.that or not, but there will be a row either way. That is the
:53:04. > :53:08.difficulty of making change. If you look at the other area, Chris
:53:08. > :53:12.Grayling moving to justice, he was not meant to go there originally,
:53:12. > :53:21.he is a Tory headliner, a populist who will want to please party
:53:21. > :53:24.conference. -- hardliner. If he says, the Liberal Democrats will
:53:24. > :53:29.cut up rough, the Treasury will say, where are we getting the money
:53:29. > :53:33.from? Tim Montgomerie was saying that this was appeasing the Tory
:53:33. > :53:40.party, and some of those on the right of the party. Has this
:53:40. > :53:44.Cabinet reshuffle done that? Well, you ask him, far from being a
:53:44. > :53:47.commentator, Tim Montgomerie is a player who has lobbied hard for a
:53:47. > :53:51.right-wing conservative stance. If people like Tim believes it is
:53:51. > :53:55.right to have the likes of Chris Grayling imposed, then it has done
:53:55. > :53:59.some of that job. I would not have thought it has done enough, really,
:53:59. > :54:03.to please those who were demanding a real change on the right of
:54:03. > :54:06.British politics. Foremost because there's no change in economic
:54:06. > :54:10.policy. Remember that the Government's central problem,
:54:10. > :54:14.economic glee and politically, is that there is no growth at the
:54:14. > :54:17.moment. By keeping the Chancellor, the Business Secretary, the Chief
:54:17. > :54:22.Secretary, they have signalled that they want to do more but they do
:54:22. > :54:27.not want to change economic policy either to please the right by
:54:27. > :54:31.introducing more tax cuts, or the left. Joining us now is the
:54:31. > :54:35.Conservative MP Peter Lilley, who has experienced numerous reshuffles
:54:35. > :54:39.after being Secretary of State for social security in the 1990s and
:54:39. > :54:43.held other posts, too. Let's pick up on the economy, has it been a
:54:43. > :54:48.mistake not to have done more to indicate any change in economic
:54:48. > :54:53.policy, bearing in mind the situation we are in? The principle
:54:53. > :55:02.hold up his lack of the regulation of supply-side policies, which is
:55:02. > :55:05.mainly a DETI function. -- D regulation. We have not heard about
:55:05. > :55:09.any liberals moving position, have we? They have all stayed in
:55:09. > :55:13.position, just David Laws coming back. I would have put David Laws
:55:13. > :55:17.where Vince Cable is. They could go somewhere else, he is an able
:55:17. > :55:22.person. You would like to see him bat, and that would have been a big
:55:22. > :55:25.kick-start to the economy. It would have been. What about Heathrow,
:55:25. > :55:29.Boris Johnson saying very quickly it is simply mad, but there will be
:55:29. > :55:32.those who will welcome a change in transport if it does actually
:55:32. > :55:37.signal that there is going to be a change in policy on airport
:55:37. > :55:41.expansion. A lot of people in London, and Boris may have annoyed,
:55:41. > :55:47.will think that London's future requires more airport capacity.
:55:47. > :55:50.you think so? I do, and it is either got to be at Heathrow or his
:55:50. > :55:55.island in the Thames Estuary or expand Stansted or Gatwick. But we
:55:55. > :56:00.need more capacity, no doubt about that, business is crying out for it.
:56:00. > :56:06.Is that not the case? Many-layered MPs think there should be airport
:56:06. > :56:10.expansion and another runway at Heathrow. -- Many Labor MPs. I do
:56:10. > :56:15.not think Justine Greening would have disappeared -- disagreed with
:56:15. > :56:19.that. It is a question of where you locate it. Justine Greening has
:56:19. > :56:27.been in that job 10 months, and I'm afraid the Conservative government
:56:27. > :56:32.is going to again turnover an election pledge to not build the
:56:32. > :56:36.third runway at Heathrow. That must be the message we take. That is why
:56:36. > :56:41.Boris Johnson accepts there must be more airport capacity. I am not
:56:41. > :56:45.going to defend him, but it is a question of where it is. What about
:56:45. > :56:48.the party? You know, we talked about Tim Montgomerie saying the
:56:48. > :56:53.party will be pleased, they will be happier with the people that have
:56:53. > :56:58.been put in many positions. Do you agree? I think on the whole they
:56:58. > :57:04.will. Parts of the party will, some able people have moved forward,
:57:04. > :57:07.Chris Grayling, the most notable, very able, and he could have
:57:07. > :57:12.replaced Iain Duncan Smith, if he had accepted the justice job.
:57:12. > :57:16.you think he should have done? is up to him, really. I would have
:57:16. > :57:20.preferred it if he had, because I a thing he is more of a natural
:57:20. > :57:25.person to do that job than Chris Grayling. -- I think. Chris
:57:25. > :57:30.Grayling is not just a hardline right-wing, he is very imaginative.
:57:30. > :57:35.I am right wing in almost everything except law and order,
:57:35. > :57:38.and there I supported Ken Clarke's emphasis on rehabilitation. We want
:57:38. > :57:42.to make sure that people who commit offences do not reoffend, rather
:57:42. > :57:47.than having the pleasure of giving them luxury accommodation at
:57:47. > :57:50.�50,000 per year. What about Ken Clarke's new roving role as an
:57:50. > :57:57.economic adviser? Will that help communicate the message on the
:57:57. > :58:02.economy? If I'm honest, and just in the privacy of his studio, I would
:58:02. > :58:06.have thought it is quite risky, because Ken Clarke is not very well
:58:06. > :58:11.house-trained, and he will say all sorts of things which will be taken
:58:11. > :58:16.as critical of all different from what George Osborne is saying, and
:58:16. > :58:20.that will lead to confusion. time, sorry, time just before we go
:58:20. > :58:23.to find out the answer to our quiz, remember that? Seven suits
:58:23. > :58:33.belonging to Margaret Thatcher were up for auction at Christie's
:58:33. > :58:38.
:58:38. > :58:43.Margaret Hodge, what is the correct answer? I think it is 73,000.
:58:43. > :58:48.are right, did you know? I think I read it somewhere! Thank you for
:58:48. > :58:51.being our guest of the day. The One O'Clock News are starting on BBC