02/11/2012

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:00:40. > :00:42.Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics. Ken Clarke says his plans

:00:42. > :00:48.for private court hearings in sensitive intelligence cases are

:00:48. > :00:53.vital for national security. The former Justice Secretary will be

:00:53. > :00:56.here in around five minutes time. The schools exams body for England

:00:56. > :01:00.says teachers are under too much pressure to give generous marks for

:01:00. > :01:05.coursework. But says the decision to raise the pass threshold for

:01:05. > :01:09.this summer's English GCSEs was right. With just under two weeks to

:01:09. > :01:11.go before voters in England and Wales elect 43 new police and crime

:01:11. > :01:18.commissioners, we'll ask five hopeful candidates how policing

:01:18. > :01:28.will change. And we are in the final straight of the US

:01:28. > :01:28.

:01:28. > :01:31.presidential race. Will the winner All that in the next hour. With me

:01:31. > :01:34.for the whole programme today are the editor of Prospect magazine

:01:34. > :01:44.Bronwen Maddox. And Kevin Maguire of the Daily Mirror. Welcome to you

:01:44. > :01:48.

:01:48. > :01:52.both. Thanks run much indeed for joining us. Let's start with a

:01:52. > :01:57.report, we blame the examiners, exam board, and now they are

:01:57. > :02:01.blaming the teachers. Yes, the OFQUAL report, some children are

:02:01. > :02:04.marked down and others are marked up up because teachers are over-

:02:04. > :02:08.generous and it's a complete mess because you have got to defend the

:02:08. > :02:12.integrity of the exam system. If teachers are under such pressure to

:02:12. > :02:16.get a good result and are marking up their own pupils, we have to

:02:16. > :02:20.bring in outside examiners. I personally think, continuous

:02:20. > :02:26.assessment and working through your course than a memory test at the

:02:26. > :02:31.end, but it's got to be done fairly. What do you make of this? They

:02:31. > :02:35.shouldn't have changed the standards between January and June.

:02:35. > :02:41.It's absolutely right they are outraged but what did anybody

:02:41. > :02:46.expect? I agree with you. Coursework is a better way of

:02:46. > :02:52.testing knowledge. Schools are under enormous pressure to deliver

:02:52. > :02:57.results and teachers will mark up to the limit. You need a much

:02:57. > :03:02.clearer sense of what is being assessed. It does need sorting out

:03:02. > :03:07.a but this is not the world's biggest problem. Let's have a

:03:07. > :03:11.listen to the OFQUAL chief- executive. She has been talking a

:03:11. > :03:15.bit more about this and the findings of this latest report.

:03:15. > :03:21.They are not cheating. Let me be clear, they are not cheating and

:03:21. > :03:24.they are not making up marks, not at all. They are putting in an

:03:24. > :03:28.invidious position, where they have to put a mark on a piece of

:03:28. > :03:32.creative writing. You and I would look at that and there is no doubt

:03:32. > :03:35.we would choose a different Mark because there's not, in a sense, a

:03:35. > :03:39.writer mark. The problem is, because of the pressure they are

:03:39. > :03:42.under, there is a natural tendency to be as optimistic as possible

:03:42. > :03:46.looking at that and give it the best possible mark, because you

:03:46. > :03:50.want that for your student, of course you do. And you wanted for

:03:51. > :03:57.your school, as well. If there enough teachers are moving in that

:03:57. > :04:01.direction, marking up to the limit, and there is a 6% tolerance, that

:04:01. > :04:08.ruins the national picture if we are not careful and we have

:04:08. > :04:13.evidence of that this year, so it's a very caution retail. For us, for

:04:13. > :04:19.teachers and for those who design qualifications and set the

:04:19. > :04:25.accountability measures, as well. You can understand a problem that

:04:25. > :04:31.teachers want to do the best by their pupils, want to try and hit

:04:31. > :04:35.the right sort of scores for their own schools. She has put it

:04:35. > :04:43.perfectly if rather politely. Teachers are going to give the best

:04:43. > :04:48.marks they can. It helps their children and school. The problem is,

:04:48. > :04:51.we need an external assessment. Kevin is quite right. The doesn't

:04:51. > :04:57.this make the case for what Michael Gove is talking about, let's have a

:04:57. > :05:03.less coursework and more in the final exam which is marked by

:05:03. > :05:07.independent examiners? Yes, in that sense, it does, and I think that

:05:07. > :05:14.looks like cheating if you're going to give your own pupils the most

:05:14. > :05:17.generous marks you can have. It is optimism. The but, I sat through

:05:17. > :05:22.the generation where you had those end-of-year exams force of that's

:05:22. > :05:26.what you did and how you got your GCSEs and A-levels. I watched my

:05:26. > :05:30.own children going through, doing coursework all the way through, and

:05:30. > :05:34.they have much better understanding of the subject they are doing. Yes,

:05:34. > :05:39.you can have a memory test, but it does not really test your grasp of

:05:39. > :05:43.the subject. It test your ability to learn a few facts and put them

:05:43. > :05:49.down in a couple of hours. This is a debate which will run and run but

:05:49. > :05:53.we will leave it there. Now it is time for our daily quiz and a

:05:53. > :05:57.question for today is, William Hague is confirmed the Foreign

:05:57. > :06:06.Office has spent �10,000 renovating a stuffed animal kept on display in

:06:06. > :06:10.the Government department. But which animal is it? A badger.

:06:10. > :06:20.stag. An anaconda snake. Or a meerkat? At the end of the show

:06:20. > :06:20.

:06:20. > :06:30.Kevin and Bronwen will give us the correct answer. You could not make

:06:30. > :06:35.

:06:35. > :06:38.it up. I like the idea of the Anaconda. Almost exactly two years

:06:38. > :06:40.ago, the Government paid out millions of pounds in compensation

:06:40. > :06:42.to several former Guantanamo detainees who accused British

:06:42. > :06:45.intelligence of colluding in their capture and rendition. Ministers

:06:45. > :06:48.said they had no option but to settle because fighting the cases

:06:48. > :06:50.would have risked exposing state secrets in open court. In response,

:06:50. > :06:54.the then Justice Secretary, Ken Clarke, came up with controversial

:06:54. > :06:56.plans to allow such cases to be heard in secret. The proposals are

:06:56. > :06:59.included in the Justice and Security Bill, and are designed to

:06:59. > :07:01.allow the intelligence agencies to defend themselves in court without

:07:01. > :07:04.sensitive information being made public. Ken Clarke says it's a

:07:04. > :07:07.golden opportunity for sensible reform and hit out at critics who

:07:07. > :07:09.want to derail his plans. If the plans become law, so-called closed

:07:09. > :07:12.material procedures would mean judges could consider sensitive

:07:12. > :07:18.evidence in private in front of security-vetted lawyers. But

:07:18. > :07:21.critics say the Bill goes against the principle of open justice. In

:07:21. > :07:23.September, the Liberal Democrat conference voted against the Bill,

:07:23. > :07:29.arguing that ministers would be able to cover up any potentially

:07:29. > :07:31.embarrassing information. But Ken Clarke says a judge, not a

:07:31. > :07:39.politician, would decide whether the information should be kept

:07:39. > :07:46.secret. Mr Clarke has been speaking this morning. Let's have a quick

:07:46. > :07:55.listen. In my career, I was in a lot of debate about national

:07:55. > :08:01.security issues. I have always been on the liberal side of the argument.

:08:01. > :08:07.So I am surprised to find myself sponsoring a Bill which critics of

:08:07. > :08:12.named, my secret court Bill. I have never been naive about the role of

:08:12. > :08:18.the security and intelligence agencies go through, but I want

:08:18. > :08:22.them to be able to be able to defend themselves and be more

:08:22. > :08:26.accountable to the courts and to Parliament. And Ken Clarke is here

:08:26. > :08:31.now. Thank you for joining us having moved on of course to your

:08:31. > :08:37.new role, but you're still overseeing this. Yes, I'm still a

:08:37. > :08:40.minister in charge of this bill. The Lib Dem conference as voted

:08:40. > :08:44.against it, Labour are not satisfied with the assurances that

:08:44. > :08:50.you have given. Are you going to manage to get this Bill through

:08:50. > :09:00.Parliament? I think so because I think they on the wrong side of the

:09:00. > :09:00.

:09:00. > :09:05.argument, saying that. They are conspiracy mongering. They think

:09:05. > :09:10.there is a snag some were. We are not taking into secret session

:09:10. > :09:14.anything which is public at the moment. But you cannot have spies

:09:14. > :09:18.giving evidence about national intelligence in open court.

:09:18. > :09:24.Sometimes the whole claim, like in Guantanamo Bay, turns on this

:09:24. > :09:27.intelligence evidence. The judge will hear that but only in a closed

:09:27. > :09:32.session, special advocates will challenge it on behalf of the

:09:32. > :09:37.defendant, but, at the moment, you can't try these cases for for what

:09:37. > :09:41.happens, the Government puts his hands up, says it can't give the

:09:41. > :09:45.evidence because it's to dangers in open court and we pay millions of

:09:45. > :09:48.pounds worth of compensation. I would like a judge to hear all the

:09:48. > :09:52.evidence and I would be interested in the judgement of a British judge

:09:52. > :09:56.to see whether he or she are poles it falls up it's a dangerous

:09:56. > :10:06.precedent. How are you going to make sure that wants to establish

:10:06. > :10:10.these secret courts, they won't be tampered with? The Liberty,

:10:10. > :10:20.according to them, you wouldn't be able to investigate crowd control

:10:20. > :10:21.

:10:21. > :10:24.at Hillsborough. Or... It is Humphrey staff. The quality and

:10:24. > :10:29.Human Rights Commission say they are incompatible with the common

:10:29. > :10:37.law right to a fair trial. It's not an open justice of the ordinary

:10:37. > :10:41.kind. It's only in recent years anybody bringing a civil claim it

:10:41. > :10:44.turns on intelligence evidence. We have to protect the public, sources.

:10:44. > :10:48.We need spies in these dangerous times but they can be accountable

:10:48. > :10:53.to the court so long as the judge can hear it without the press, and

:10:53. > :10:58.the public, anybody who wants to come in, the other parties. At the

:10:58. > :11:03.moment, there is no justice because we have silence and we have drafted

:11:03. > :11:07.this bill very carefully, to answer these fanciful conspiracy theories.

:11:07. > :11:13.You have said it will be a judge who will decide whether or not a

:11:13. > :11:18.case is heard. Labour and some Lib Dem peers are saying that is simply

:11:18. > :11:23.not sufficiently strongly put into the legislation. They are not happy

:11:23. > :11:27.with a safeguards. It is a slightly knee-jerk reaction. They can't

:11:27. > :11:31.bring themselves to acknowledge that what they are back to rating

:11:31. > :11:35.is the status quo. Noble is complained about what we do at the

:11:35. > :11:38.moment, which has held it back from court altogether and just pay up,

:11:38. > :11:44.but faced with a positive change, I don't know, they can't bring

:11:44. > :11:48.themselves to accept this is going to be an improvement for reasonable

:11:48. > :11:53.citizens. You can't hear it in open court. Let's solve that problem,

:11:53. > :11:59.not just by saying, when it's dangerous. In future this might be

:11:59. > :12:04.taken into other things. I'm against that. The bill makes clear

:12:04. > :12:10.national security. The average British judge will want to only

:12:10. > :12:13.keeps secret things which would endanger the country. Let me talk

:12:13. > :12:20.more widely about justice. You are still looking after this particular

:12:20. > :12:25.bill. When Chris Grayling was appointed in your place, he was

:12:25. > :12:29.widely portrayed as a new and much tougher man taking over this very

:12:29. > :12:37.difficult Prix. Do you think that there is a change of policy, change

:12:37. > :12:44.of emphasis, direction? Or is at a new man doing the same job? The you

:12:44. > :12:48.do get policy changes after a reshuffle. Sometimes quite dramatic.

:12:48. > :12:55.Actually, Chris has not said anything yet which is not on the

:12:55. > :13:00.same lines as me,... Apart from his talk about giving greater powers to

:13:00. > :13:06.people who tackle an intruder in their homes. You clearly we're not

:13:06. > :13:11.happy about that. You wrote a letter to him. I want to clarify

:13:11. > :13:15.the law on self-defence. People constantly campaign about it. The

:13:15. > :13:19.public are not certain and think they are not allowed to defend

:13:19. > :13:24.themselves and react as a reasonable person would. They are

:13:24. > :13:29.terrified in their own homes, whatever. We're trying to reassure

:13:29. > :13:35.the campaigners it's all right. in a letter you wrote to her about

:13:35. > :13:38.this, he said he is set himself up for an unnecessarily damaging

:13:38. > :13:43.battle and heavyweight legal experts and the policy could easily

:13:43. > :13:48.backfire. That's what you made of the ideas he came up with at the

:13:48. > :13:52.Conservative Party conference. not flatly opposing it but I am

:13:52. > :13:57.warning him to be careful. I say don't oversell it because if you do,

:13:57. > :14:01.you will get into that difficulty. He is trying to do what I was

:14:01. > :14:07.trying to do, explain to people that the law understands that

:14:07. > :14:13.ordinary honours people, feeling in danger, threatened by an intruder,

:14:13. > :14:21.whatever, will pick up a kitchen knife. I used to make speeches

:14:21. > :14:26.myself that you could use whatever, people would understand of

:14:26. > :14:29.defending themselves. This is not the only change. He's already

:14:29. > :14:33.ditched one of your main ideas about reducing the prison

:14:33. > :14:38.population. One of his first statement was to say he's not

:14:38. > :14:41.interested in a wider effort to reduce the prison population and

:14:41. > :14:47.nurses getting rid of foreign nationals. I think it's up to the

:14:47. > :14:56.judges to decide. In order to set up this... You infuriated your

:14:56. > :15:02.party. He said up a media pastiche of the change which exaggerates the

:15:02. > :15:08.difference -- he set up. I never had a target of reducing prison

:15:08. > :15:16.populations. I expressed surprise it had exploded. One of the things

:15:16. > :15:20.I am concentrating on, reducing the reoffending rate, making prisons

:15:20. > :15:24.more sensible places to reform prisoners. Trying to get the number

:15:24. > :15:30.of crimes and victims down by turning few of them out to come

:15:30. > :15:34.back. We are making progress there. We need a more intelligent use of

:15:34. > :15:40.the prison system. I want to move on and talk about Europe because

:15:40. > :15:46.obviously it is being dominating the political agenda. I just want

:15:46. > :15:52.to... The British one fixation with Europe for the last 20 years.

:15:52. > :15:56.just the British. When we want to move away from the day-to-day

:15:56. > :16:03.politics, we always move on to Europe. Somebody who was there

:16:03. > :16:07.during the John Major years, you will remember, do you feel as

:16:07. > :16:17.though there's a sense of deja vu? Do you think your party is in

:16:17. > :16:17.

:16:17. > :16:21.Oh, a sense that everybody gets into a flap, it is hard to

:16:21. > :16:24.understand what everybody meant in that debate, the Labour Party did

:16:24. > :16:29.not start from the same position as the people they were voting with.

:16:29. > :16:33.At a time of economic stringency, you cannot have the European budget

:16:33. > :16:38.rising when everybody is having to cut back public spending, and we

:16:38. > :16:42.have a strong position of going to, you know, get across to the other

:16:42. > :16:45.member states... The Prime Minister was defeated by Euro-sceptics

:16:45. > :16:49.teaming up with your political opponents. That is what happened

:16:49. > :16:53.under John Major. The Euro-sceptics were teaming up with the Labour

:16:54. > :16:58.Party, both United and advocating a position which is impracticable and

:16:58. > :17:03.cannot be achieved. That has a certain similarity as well, Arona

:17:03. > :17:11.the fears raised about the Maastricht treaty, and people

:17:11. > :17:15.should die of shame after the warnings they gave. -- I remember.

:17:15. > :17:21.The Prime Minister as a very strong negotiating position, and he is

:17:21. > :17:24.going to aim for a freeze, and he has a veto he can use if necessary

:17:24. > :17:30.and if it is justified. When you look at your party, when you look

:17:30. > :17:39.around the Cabinet table, do you feel rather lonely? Michael Gove is

:17:39. > :17:43.suggesting that we should have an in-out referendum, Iain Duncan

:17:43. > :17:48.Smith, Owen Paterson and so on. You feel that you are a lone figure

:17:48. > :17:53.around the Cabinet table? This coalition is even broader than the

:17:53. > :17:57.coalition government I have sat in before. The Conservative Party has

:17:57. > :18:01.always been a bit of a coalition! This government is working

:18:01. > :18:05.particularly satisfactorily, with I may say so, much better than the

:18:05. > :18:08.John Major Cabinet worked, precisely because we are men of

:18:08. > :18:11.affairs to get on with the practical solution. We do not sit

:18:11. > :18:17.around the Cabinet table having rehearsals of the old, old

:18:17. > :18:21.arguments about Europe. We all agreed that we have got to hold the

:18:21. > :18:25.European budget, the freeze is the real objective. I think it is the

:18:25. > :18:29.right objective, but I'm not sure the tactics have been right. Going

:18:29. > :18:34.back to the secret courts, rightly nicknamed, I think you are on the

:18:34. > :18:38.wrong side of the argument. Justice needs to be seen to be done. Times

:18:38. > :18:43.have always been dangerous, and these are fiercely democratic times,

:18:43. > :18:50.people are very disinclined to trust institutions, politicians,

:18:50. > :18:53.police, judges, and people intensely dislike that. You may be

:18:53. > :19:00.liberal by the standards of your own party, but not by the standards

:19:01. > :19:05.of Parliament or the country. think it is a slight... I just

:19:05. > :19:10.cannot get the people I usually agree with over the line to accept

:19:10. > :19:13.that this actually is going to allow more evidence to be heard by

:19:13. > :19:18.a church and allowed judgments to be given than at the moment when

:19:18. > :19:24.all you have his silence and money paid out. -- Hirta by a judge. You

:19:24. > :19:28.must accept, in all common sense, no country in the world is going to

:19:28. > :19:32.put its spies in the witness box to give open information about their

:19:32. > :19:36.intelligence, how they obtained it, what they believe is being done by

:19:36. > :19:40.people, how they collaborated with other agencies. We have to find

:19:40. > :19:45.some other way... We are running out of time, I want to give Kevin a

:19:45. > :19:49.quick... When you look around at Cabinet table, you do see allies

:19:49. > :19:53.and colleagues, the Liberal Democrats, five of them. You feel

:19:53. > :19:57.closer to them on the big issues than you do to the right of your

:19:57. > :20:02.own party? A lot of the divisions in Cabinet, they are not divisions,

:20:02. > :20:07.but when we debate things, it is not always on party lines. I mean,

:20:07. > :20:11.I think, my own personal opinion, and I tease them occasionally, one

:20:11. > :20:15.or two of the lead roles around the table of One nation Conservatives

:20:15. > :20:19.on the wrong side of the war by accident. -- of the Liberals. You

:20:19. > :20:26.can imagine how they come back at me! Vince Cable I have known since

:20:26. > :20:30.we were students. I do not think he ever expected to sit at the same

:20:30. > :20:33.Cabinet table as me, we are in national crisis, we have come

:20:33. > :20:39.together in the national interest, and this Cabinet works extremely

:20:39. > :20:41.well in deciding what we need to do and what is going to happen. The

:20:41. > :20:44.conservative property has improved since we stopped having wild

:20:44. > :20:49.theological debates and got on with the details of delivering what we

:20:49. > :20:52.need to. -- the Conservative Party. Ken Clarke, thank you very much

:20:52. > :20:56.indeed for joining us. In just under two weeks' time, voters

:20:56. > :21:01.across England and Wales will be asked to go to the polls to elect

:21:01. > :21:08.41 new police and crime commission has, but what exactly will they do?

:21:08. > :21:10.-- commissioners. Our reporter travelled to the United States

:21:10. > :21:15.before the hurricane to meet the former police commissioner of New

:21:15. > :21:24.York, Bill Bratton, who believes the commissioners can be as

:21:24. > :21:27.effective in cutting crime in the Armed and highly visible, following

:21:28. > :21:31.the September 11th attacks, security was stepped up on the

:21:31. > :21:35.streets, on the Subway and in the sky above New York. It may be

:21:35. > :21:38.partly due to the increased police presence that it is now one of the

:21:38. > :21:42.safest cities in the world, but it is also down to a concerted

:21:42. > :21:46.crackdown led by Michael Bloomberg in partnership with the city's

:21:46. > :21:53.appointed Police Commissioner. you look at the two decades of

:21:53. > :21:58.reduction in crime that we have had in New York City, about 80%, and

:21:58. > :22:02.hopefully that is what can happen in the UK. Violent crime in New

:22:02. > :22:08.York has been falling since the early 1990s. Lasers like this,

:22:08. > :22:13.Union Square, was once considered a no-go zone after dark but it now

:22:13. > :22:18.has eight police presence and is considered much safer. New York is

:22:18. > :22:21.now unrecognisable from the gritty city of the 1980s, when it was the

:22:21. > :22:26.crime capital of the US. Tough action was needed, and Bill Bratton

:22:26. > :22:28.was brought in as the city's police commissioner. He quickly became

:22:28. > :22:31.famous for his zero-tolerance policy and says the UK can learn

:22:31. > :22:39.from the decision to give more local political control to the

:22:39. > :22:46.police. It is not a panacea, not a perfect system, but it does ensure

:22:46. > :22:49.that police do focus on local issues, what it is in the community

:22:49. > :22:52.that is creating fear. Criminologists say much of the

:22:52. > :22:57.credit for the reduction in crime must go to the commissioner. Until

:22:57. > :23:02.the early 1990s, the assumption was crime was driven by the economy, by

:23:02. > :23:08.inequality, by you name it, racism and poverty. Bill Bratton came in

:23:08. > :23:13.and said no, we are responsible, and we are going to start measuring

:23:13. > :23:18.results, and police commissioners should be held accountable by the

:23:18. > :23:21.public. While the commissioner has been credited with cutting crime,

:23:21. > :23:28.critics question whether there is a danger they may overstep their

:23:28. > :23:32.powers. There are stubborn pockets within the cities, and the police

:23:32. > :23:35.have concentrated a disproportionate number of patrol

:23:35. > :23:38.officers, and there are other residents who feel that the police

:23:38. > :23:42.have got a checkpoint attitudes towards those neighbourhoods.

:23:42. > :23:46.was the unrest which began in London and spread across England

:23:46. > :23:51.during the 2011 riots which all David Cameron turn to Bill Bratton

:23:51. > :23:56.for advice. He warns that those are elected as commissioners face tough

:23:56. > :24:00.challenges. There is so much happening in your country at this

:24:00. > :24:06.time, on the national level, the mandated cuts in levels of service.

:24:06. > :24:13.At the local level now, there is significant, significant change in

:24:13. > :24:20.how policing is delivered. And it is all happening so fast. So my

:24:20. > :24:23.suggestion would be, basically, do not expect too much early on.

:24:23. > :24:27.month's elections will see the biggest change since modern

:24:27. > :24:30.policing began. Despite differences in the systems, Bill Bratton

:24:30. > :24:34.believes the crime-fighting solutions that have worked in New

:24:34. > :24:39.York, particularly the role of a strong commissioner, can be just as

:24:39. > :24:42.effective across England and Wales. Louise Stewart reporting, and we

:24:43. > :24:47.have been joined by five candidates standing in different regions,

:24:47. > :24:50.Simon Spencer, standing for the Conservatives in Derbyshire,

:24:50. > :24:53.currently deputy leader of Derbyshire County Council. Former

:24:53. > :24:58.Labour minister Jane Kennedy is standing in Merseyside and joined

:24:58. > :25:04.us from Liverpool. From Bristol, Lib Dem councillor and former

:25:04. > :25:08.police constable Pete Levy is standing in Avon and Somerset. UK

:25:08. > :25:11.and Pete MEP Godfrey Bloom is standing in Humberside. And Mick

:25:11. > :25:18.Thwaites is standing as an independent in Essex. Welcome to

:25:19. > :25:23.all of you. Let me start with you, as you are here with me in the

:25:23. > :25:27.studio, Simon, this idea has been one that the Conservative Party has

:25:27. > :25:33.pushed through. What real difference do you think it will

:25:33. > :25:37.make, having these police commissioners of whatever colour

:25:37. > :25:41.there and overseeing the local police priorities? Well, I have

:25:41. > :25:44.always been a great fan of this policy and it brings a new level of

:25:44. > :25:47.accountability and transparency to policing that we have never seen in

:25:47. > :25:50.the past. I would say that to understand what we're doing, we

:25:50. > :25:54.need to understand what we have in place at the moment, and from that

:25:54. > :25:57.point of view police authorities have been in place for 17 years.

:25:58. > :26:01.They are expensive, in my opinion. They have worked, but this change

:26:01. > :26:04.will bring a new level of accountability and transparency,

:26:04. > :26:08.and how that will work is that it will be the role of the

:26:08. > :26:10.Commissioner to articulate the views of the public to the chief

:26:10. > :26:17.constable without politicising the role of the frontline police

:26:17. > :26:21.officer. Jane Kennedy, if I can bring you in as someone who has

:26:21. > :26:24.been a government minister, how do you think these police

:26:24. > :26:29.commissioners are actually going to be better at reflecting public

:26:29. > :26:35.priorities? Surely we have a Home Secretary and other ministers who

:26:35. > :26:39.already do that. I mean, clearly there will be the election itself,

:26:39. > :26:43.will forge a very close relationship between the

:26:43. > :26:47.Commissioner and the electorate. Now, we are all worried about a low

:26:47. > :26:50.turnout, but whatever the turnout, I imagine most commissioners will

:26:50. > :26:54.feel themselves to be very close the accountable to the communities

:26:54. > :26:58.and will want to speak for them, as I will, if I'm elected for

:26:58. > :27:05.Merseyside. Now, I like the idea of the bill Bratton approach to

:27:05. > :27:09.policing, where you... It is a kind of problem-solving approach, and if

:27:09. > :27:13.I were elected, it is the kind of approach I would bring to crime-

:27:13. > :27:17.fighting, particularly in a time when we are seeing savage cuts to

:27:17. > :27:20.police budgets. We are going to have to examine every aspect of

:27:21. > :27:26.crime and crime trends and engage with everybody who has got anything

:27:26. > :27:31.to do with fighting crime. Mick Thwaites, if I can bring you in,

:27:31. > :27:36.the thing that is right? Is that the way that this is going to work?

:27:36. > :27:39.-- do you think. It has never been any different. We have got to work

:27:39. > :27:43.with all the communities and agencies, local authorities,

:27:43. > :27:46.voluntary sector, charities. We need to engage everybody in the

:27:46. > :27:51.process of delivering better life for people across our towns and

:27:51. > :27:54.villages. That is about reducing crime, reducing antisocial

:27:54. > :27:59.behaviour, and the police themselves cannot do this alone. So

:28:00. > :28:04.that is going to be the key task for the commissioner, to bring very

:28:04. > :28:08.diverse communities together, many organisations together, and have

:28:08. > :28:11.one Focus, which is delivering crime reduction and delivering the

:28:11. > :28:17.reduction in antisocial behaviour across a very large geographical

:28:17. > :28:21.areas. Godfrey Bloom, if I can bring you in here, isn't there a

:28:21. > :28:26.danger, though, that instead of a senior police officer looking at

:28:26. > :28:30.the same, this should be the priority for the whole area, that

:28:30. > :28:33.these police commissioners are going to find themselves swayed by

:28:33. > :28:39.perhaps particularly vocal groups of residents in one part of their

:28:39. > :28:43.patch who have got a particular concern? Yes, it is a danger, and I

:28:43. > :28:47.think this is why the electorate needs to look very closely at who

:28:47. > :28:51.is standing, and I would suggest not to worry whether they are

:28:51. > :28:55.Labour, Conservative or UKIP, look at the individuals and see if they

:28:55. > :29:01.can handle those problems, see if they can handle those pressures

:29:01. > :29:07.that they will be, prioritise very big budgets, 3,000 people, 4,000

:29:07. > :29:10.people working for an authority. This is a very, very big job, a

:29:11. > :29:15.very new job, and I'm not altogether sure yet that folly --

:29:15. > :29:19.that people fully appreciate that. Mick Thwaites, if I can come back

:29:20. > :29:26.you, as somebody who has worked in the police force, do you think

:29:26. > :29:29.there is a danger about decisions on policing being politicised?

:29:29. > :29:33.There is always the danger when this concept was first discussed

:29:33. > :29:38.several years ago. Chief constables will be worried that their

:29:38. > :29:42.operational independence, the control of policing and a daily

:29:42. > :29:47.basis, where to put the cops, on which street corners, which crimes

:29:47. > :29:52.to investigate, he will investigate what and with what resources, it

:29:52. > :29:57.has always been a huge risk around one individual having immense power

:29:57. > :30:01.over the police. I am not... I do not find that so difficult, because

:30:01. > :30:04.very quickly the relationship between the chief and the police

:30:05. > :30:10.commissioner will clearly, each one will know where their art in the

:30:10. > :30:13.very early stages. There may well be a clear protocol that sets up

:30:13. > :30:17.the ground the commissioner takes and the ground the chief constable

:30:17. > :30:25.takes, but in some instances that boundary may be crossed, and that

:30:25. > :30:29.Isn't there a danger that the public simply don't understand how

:30:29. > :30:34.this is going to work and, in a sense, it won't work unless the

:30:34. > :30:38.public get engaged and the signs are at the moment, they aren't.

:30:38. > :30:47.They had everything stacked against them. There would have thought you

:30:47. > :30:51.would have an election as important at this in November. Things are

:30:51. > :30:54.stacked up against the public and giving to the point about people

:30:54. > :30:59.looking beyond the party label but at the individual, I agree with

:30:59. > :31:04.that, however, it is impossible in this particular election for most

:31:04. > :31:08.of us to communicate with the electorate. In Merseyside, there

:31:08. > :31:12.are 8 million voters. People are definitely going to be relying on

:31:12. > :31:17.the party label and if we have a very low turnout, which we fear,

:31:17. > :31:21.then it is going to be quite a risk the outcome. A number of us are

:31:21. > :31:26.anxious that people shouldn't take this election for granted. We urge

:31:26. > :31:31.the public to get involved. It is a very important and powerful role

:31:31. > :31:35.and, yes, the individual that does that job is very important, so we

:31:35. > :31:39.urge the public to use whatever means they can and we are doing our

:31:39. > :31:44.best to communicate with them. Peter Levey, do you have concerns

:31:45. > :31:49.about how this is going to work? You were with the Wiltshire

:31:49. > :31:54.Constabulary. You have been in the Royal Military Police. Having seen

:31:54. > :31:59.it on that side of the fence, are you concerned about how this is

:31:59. > :32:03.going to work? There still seems to be huge amounts of scope for

:32:03. > :32:07.different interpretations of rules and places for these Police

:32:08. > :32:14.Commissioner's, pursuing a specific project once they are in and

:32:14. > :32:19.elected, they can do pretty much what they want. Yes, I think in an

:32:19. > :32:24.area as diverse as Avon and Somerset, we have huge rural areas,

:32:24. > :32:28.urban areas as well, and there is a genuine fear amongst residents that

:32:28. > :32:35.resources will be sucked into areas like Bristol and rural crime will

:32:35. > :32:42.be forgotten. Crime has dropped in the UK, detection rates are

:32:42. > :32:45.improving but that is effective policing and partnership localised

:32:45. > :32:49.operating. I think whoever becomes the police and crime commissioner,

:32:49. > :32:54.they need to engage with those people, create the most effective

:32:54. > :33:00.lines of communication with the residence so we know what they want,

:33:00. > :33:07.and where to effectively put resources. Simon, this has been an

:33:07. > :33:12.important policy for your party. But they don't seem to have done

:33:12. > :33:17.enough to infuse the public. Surely it is only through public

:33:17. > :33:27.engagement that this idea will work? The other candidates are

:33:27. > :33:28.

:33:28. > :33:33.doing their best across the country. Could more a been done nationally?

:33:33. > :33:39.What I would say is the role is all about engagement with the public

:33:39. > :33:45.and articulating their views. We have 4,000 voluntary organisations,

:33:45. > :33:48.some very good statutory bodies delivering superb services and

:33:48. > :33:54.working in partnership will be an integral part of the job. From my

:33:54. > :33:59.point of view, it's extremely important whoever gets this job,

:33:59. > :34:05.and I have a background as a firefighter, I have run my own

:34:05. > :34:10.business, and my department in the council is similar to the police

:34:10. > :34:14.authority budget, so what I would say is we have got to work with

:34:14. > :34:18.everybody and the rule everybody's views together and understand them.

:34:18. > :34:23.The key thing is going to be the personalities of those people who

:34:23. > :34:28.are elected. The public will have a chance eventually to vote them out,

:34:28. > :34:32.but, in the meantime, it's an awful lot of power to put in the hands of

:34:32. > :34:38.one person in an area where we have not had those sorts of figures in

:34:38. > :34:41.the past. I entirely agree. I wouldn't necessarily start from

:34:41. > :34:46.here, so the electorate must be sure they elect somebody who

:34:46. > :34:53.understands budgets, with the reformed background, military,

:34:54. > :34:59.police, somebody who understands what is involved and can bring an

:34:59. > :35:03.interpretation of statistics to it. The HMRC has sent us a huge amount

:35:03. > :35:08.of statistics, difficult to read, and is the individual capable of

:35:08. > :35:14.reading it? It takes lot of experience to do this sort of thing.

:35:14. > :35:19.The thank you very much. Kevin, do you think this will work? I think

:35:20. > :35:23.it has failed before at the start because one in five have to vote

:35:23. > :35:29.for it and we have not brought for the candidates the Government

:35:29. > :35:33.thought. The real test will be the next wave of elections, when you

:35:33. > :35:38.get a mushroom of extra candidate and people think it's worthwhile to

:35:38. > :35:43.come out and vote. If you're a tough on the cause of crime, you

:35:43. > :35:47.could be a huge Waterfront, and be able to going the social issues,

:35:47. > :35:54.mental health issues, and it's a big platform for whoever wins in

:35:54. > :35:59.each area. I'm all for it for the obvious complaints people have up

:35:59. > :36:05.with it, worries about populism, I think it's a good idea. Eventually,

:36:05. > :36:08.it will be very popular. OK, thank you very much and thanks to all the

:36:08. > :36:11.candidates in various different parts for joining us. This week

:36:11. > :36:14.we've seen the issue of Europe causing splits and arguments in the

:36:14. > :36:17.Conservative party, with 53 eurosceptic MPs defying a three

:36:17. > :36:21.line government whip and joining Labour to vote for a cut in the EU

:36:21. > :36:29.budget. But it's also posing tricky questions for pro-Europeans like

:36:29. > :36:32.what should Britain's relationship with the EU look like? Last night

:36:32. > :36:36.on Question Time, David Miliband was asked to explain why Labour

:36:36. > :36:39.supported an increase in the EU budget in 2005. But are now calling

:36:39. > :36:47.for a cut? He backed his brother, saying that asking Brussels to cut

:36:47. > :36:51.spending doesn't mean Labour is backing away from Europe.

:36:51. > :36:54.We negotiated in 2005, for the first time ever, instead of Britain

:36:54. > :36:59.paying a three times as much contribution as France, we would

:36:59. > :37:02.pay the same as France. We negotiated the enlargement of the

:37:02. > :37:06.EU which a Conservative Party and the Lib Dems both supported and the

:37:06. > :37:14.budget went up to pay for the historic enlargement of the

:37:14. > :37:18.European Union. Let me finish the point. The world has changed since

:37:18. > :37:21.2005-6. We've had a global financial crisis and we need to cut

:37:21. > :37:25.the deficit at home and we also need to make sure that we reduce

:37:25. > :37:29.spending in Europe as well, and I think there has been a real problem

:37:29. > :37:33.for pro-Europeans like me. We have seemed like we always wanted more

:37:33. > :37:37.spending. We were soft-headed about more spending, but what you have

:37:37. > :37:41.got is a repositioning in the Labour Party not to go from being

:37:42. > :37:46.pro-Europe to anti-Europe, but to take on, this idea that to be pro-

:37:46. > :37:49.European you're always for more spending. That was David Miliband

:37:49. > :37:52.at last night. And we've been joined by Will Straw who works at

:37:52. > :37:56.the IPPR think tank. And Katinka Barisch, deputy director of the

:37:56. > :38:05.Centre for European Reform. Thank you both very much indeed for

:38:06. > :38:09.joining us. You have got a new report out this week saying that we

:38:09. > :38:13.should have an inner out referendum. That's right, we think a referendum

:38:13. > :38:17.has become increasingly inevitable. When you look at the things David

:38:17. > :38:21.Cameron has been saying about wanting to go to Europe, to try to

:38:21. > :38:24.get his repatriation of powers and then take it to the British people.

:38:24. > :38:29.We think it is incredibly unrealistic, we don't think he will

:38:29. > :38:31.get it, and if there was a referendum, anything other than the

:38:31. > :38:37.fundamental question, we think a lot of people would be very upset

:38:37. > :38:41.by it. People would say you are not asking the right questions. In

:38:41. > :38:44.Scotland, David Cameron things we have to take on the fundamental

:38:44. > :38:48.questions so we have to do the same for Europe and that would make

:38:48. > :38:53.people pro-European, like myself, make the case to the public why

:38:54. > :38:57.been in is better than leaving. Until now, people pushing for this

:38:57. > :39:01.type of referendum tend to be Euro- sceptics, people who ultimately

:39:01. > :39:05.think it would be good idea if we had at least the weapon of being

:39:05. > :39:13.able to threaten to leave the European Union, but you would argue

:39:13. > :39:15.firmly on the pro-European case for staying in Europe? The that's right.

:39:15. > :39:20.People all around the country are have in this discussion. It's time

:39:20. > :39:24.to do take it from Westminster to the public. That would then

:39:24. > :39:28.discovered people in civil society, politicians, and a pot newspapers

:39:28. > :39:31.to decide which side of the debate they want to be on, because we've

:39:31. > :39:37.not had a positive case for Europe are made by those groups for 30

:39:37. > :39:42.years. Do you think he has a case for saying that we need to get

:39:42. > :39:45.these arguments out there and have a proper debate about it? I agree

:39:45. > :39:49.with absolutely everything he says under the proviso that if

:39:49. > :39:54.politicians start to make a positive case for Europe, how much

:39:54. > :39:59.time have they got, and would be enough? I've been in this country

:39:59. > :40:03.for 20 years and I have seen the media and politicians drip feeding

:40:03. > :40:07.people negative news about Europe. Do we really believe that a bunch

:40:07. > :40:12.of politicians can turn this around in a matter of months, few years

:40:12. > :40:16.even? In a campaign situation, when people are very cautious about what

:40:16. > :40:23.they believe and what they don't believe, and I think it's a highly

:40:23. > :40:27.risky strategy because people would find themselves outside the EU in a

:40:27. > :40:33.weak position to renegotiate the deal with the rest of the Europeans.

:40:33. > :40:38.Are you worried about having an in and out referendum because the pro-

:40:38. > :40:41.Europeans appear to be losing the arguments? Because there hasn't

:40:41. > :40:46.been a proper debate about what is at stake here, the Euro-sceptics

:40:46. > :40:50.are not making a very genuine argument because Britain actually

:40:50. > :40:54.gains quite significantly from being in the single market and

:40:55. > :40:58.within the European Union, which is a big block of countries in a

:40:58. > :41:03.globalised world. It needs that membership so I don't think the

:41:03. > :41:07.debate is properly started. Interesting that Labour joined

:41:07. > :41:11.forces with the Euro-sceptics. Do you think Ed Miliband is trying to

:41:11. > :41:19.reposition itself? I think there was a degree of opportunism in what

:41:19. > :41:24.he did undoubtedly but European this question, 3% of MPs know we're

:41:24. > :41:28.going down that road a. David Cameron will set out a referendum

:41:28. > :41:31.soon and Labour will match him in their manifesto and there is a

:41:31. > :41:36.debate among the Shadow Cabinet about how Labour should approach

:41:36. > :41:41.this. Jim Murphy, I've heard her argue for going for an in out

:41:41. > :41:45.referendum like in Scotland, do you want independence or not? Go

:41:45. > :41:50.straight to the crux. I expect a referendum like that is the only

:41:50. > :41:53.one which could be run by pro- Europeans. Don't mess around about

:41:53. > :42:00.renegotiations on this and that. Just say to people, do you want to

:42:00. > :42:05.be in or out? In 1975, Harold Wilson had a referendum, 2-1 to

:42:05. > :42:10.stay in the Common Market. In 1983, Labour's manifesto, let's pull out

:42:10. > :42:14.of the Common Market. The Prime Minister has said he might allow a

:42:15. > :42:19.referendum after the next general election. Do you think we are

:42:19. > :42:23.heading to the stage where that is going to happen? He has been pushed

:42:23. > :42:31.towards that. I think it would be suicidal for the pro-European camp

:42:31. > :42:35.to push for one right now. Europe is in crisis. The eurozone, part of

:42:35. > :42:39.it is in flames. No-one knows what's going to happen to that.

:42:39. > :42:45.After the next election. You can't stop these things once they start

:42:45. > :42:53.rolling. At you couldn't do it now. You've got to wait for the eurozone

:42:53. > :42:56.crisis to come to an end. That gets lost in the noise. If you're

:42:56. > :43:03.calling for an in and out referendum, because you hope it

:43:03. > :43:10.will bring out a big level of advocacy for Europe. It would be a

:43:10. > :43:14.disaster. Do you think that there is a danger that this increasing

:43:14. > :43:20.discussion about an in out referendum is destabilising in

:43:20. > :43:25.terms of Britain's position within the EU? Yes, the Continent are

:43:25. > :43:29.getting very concerned about what's going on here. Also what they see

:43:29. > :43:33.as a debate in Britain is not necessarily realistic, the idea

:43:33. > :43:36.anybody in Europe is waiting for David Cameron to turn up with a

:43:36. > :43:41.list of powers he wants to take back to Britain, that's crazy.

:43:41. > :43:45.Europe is in an existential crisis and are not in the mood to talk

:43:45. > :43:49.about the Fisheries Policy. Do you think the Labour Party is now

:43:49. > :43:54.moving towards a position where it will call for an in out referendum

:43:54. > :43:59.in the run-up to the next election? There is a debate taking place in

:43:59. > :44:02.the Labour Party at the moment and IPPR feeds into the debate around

:44:02. > :44:06.Westminster and we think it's the right thing to do because if you

:44:06. > :44:11.don't do it, these pressures just build up and build up and it could

:44:11. > :44:20.make the referendum what happens even worse for the pro-Europeans.

:44:20. > :44:23.Thank you all very much indeed for joining us. And some news just

:44:23. > :44:26.breaking in the last hour relating to the former Labour minister Denis

:44:26. > :44:32.MacShane. Chris Mason can tell us more. This is a findings from the

:44:32. > :44:37.parliamentary authorities on his expenses. They've been written into

:44:37. > :44:41.his expenses during at 2005-eight. Their report has just been

:44:41. > :44:47.published in the last half an hour and it's very, very critical of his

:44:47. > :44:53.conduct. In short, they say he claimed for far more computers, his

:44:53. > :44:57.own use and for his office, than was legitimate. They say those

:44:57. > :45:02.claims were excessive. They also say there was a good number of

:45:02. > :45:07.claims submitted for work he said he was doing for the European

:45:07. > :45:12.Policy Institute connected to a long-term policy, the issue of

:45:12. > :45:18.European politics, he's a former Europe minister, but they say that

:45:18. > :45:21.those receipts and expenses were plainly intended to deceive. They

:45:21. > :45:27.outlined the European policies did not stack up as an independent

:45:27. > :45:31.organisation separate from Mr MacShane. They were almost the same

:45:31. > :45:36.thing. There is also strong criticism for how he handled

:45:36. > :45:41.himself during this investigation, saying he withdrew co-operation

:45:41. > :45:44.during part of their inquiry and the whole process in which she put

:45:44. > :45:50.together is expenses was not anywhere near the standards they

:45:50. > :45:54.were hoping for from an MP. So, very, very strong criticism. A

:45:54. > :45:58.recommendation he should be suspended as an MP for 12 months.

:45:58. > :46:02.Labour have responded immediately and withdrawn of the whip from Mr

:46:02. > :46:12.McShane. He says he is saddened and shocked by the decision and are

:46:12. > :46:13.

:46:13. > :46:16.deeply regrets how he behaved. Day-in, day-out, we see

:46:16. > :46:20.correspondents like Chris and myself standing outside and inside

:46:20. > :46:23.Parliament, reporting the daily events on the news, but soon we

:46:23. > :46:26.could start to see the iconic buildings crop up on the big screen.

:46:26. > :46:32.In an effort to raise more money, Parliamentary All authorities are

:46:32. > :46:37.considering open up the buildings to let the film crews in, for a

:46:37. > :46:40.price, of course. Whitehall has been used in many movies, not least

:46:40. > :46:44.in the new James Bond film, Skyfall, and we will speak to the

:46:44. > :46:54.supervising location manager on the latest instalment of 007, but first

:46:54. > :47:20.

:47:20. > :47:23.Well, we have been joined by James Grant, a film locations manager who

:47:23. > :47:28.worked on Skyfall and managed to get some parts of Westminster

:47:28. > :47:33.closed to traffic to allow filming to take place. Welcome to the Daily

:47:33. > :47:37.Politics, thank you for joining us. Thank you. Talas first novel, was

:47:38. > :47:42.it very difficult? I have to say, I have not seen the film yet, but

:47:42. > :47:47.there is some filming in locations around Westminster, how difficult

:47:47. > :47:52.was that? Westminster featured very strongly. We were filming on

:47:53. > :47:57.Whitehall itself, we were on Vauxhall Bridge and what-have-you,

:47:57. > :48:04.and we closed Millbank. It is a main character for the film, and I

:48:04. > :48:06.actually started working on it from July of last year, with a team of

:48:06. > :48:11.location managers and assistance and what have the working our way

:48:11. > :48:14.through the script, seeing what was needed, and then approaching

:48:14. > :48:21.Westminster Special Events Office, TfL, the Houses of Parliament and

:48:21. > :48:25.so on, to try and achieve what we needed. What about the idea that is

:48:25. > :48:29.now being considered, that we might actually be allowed to film inside,

:48:29. > :48:33.outside, on top of the Houses of Parliament? Is that an appealing

:48:33. > :48:39.prospect question I hit it would be great. It is a lot easier for the

:48:39. > :48:44.factual programmes to get inside the Houses of Parliament. Because

:48:44. > :48:47.of our size, crews can be 100 or 200 people, high days and holidays,

:48:47. > :48:54.but to get inside the houses of parliament in-cell and Big Ben

:48:54. > :48:57.would be fantastic. -- itself. Presumably these matters are very

:48:57. > :49:00.complicated, getting the right permission from the right people,

:49:00. > :49:05.making sure you have not got groups of tourists walking across the set

:49:05. > :49:10.at the vital moment. Yes, logistically it takes time, and it

:49:10. > :49:14.is a creative process. You go to them with a plan, and the planned

:49:14. > :49:18.changes, and so you have to keep going back and saying, what we want

:49:18. > :49:20.to do now is this... The individuals you are dealing with

:49:20. > :49:25.are usually very excited but they are not used to those changes

:49:25. > :49:31.taking place. Do you fall back on lookalikes and mock-ups? We quite

:49:31. > :49:34.often see the door of Number Ten Downing Street, don't we? Indeed.

:49:34. > :49:38.Sometimes they build it, which is not very good for me as a location

:49:38. > :49:45.manager, because it goes back to a studio, I am not very happy about

:49:45. > :49:48.that! If not, things like Downing Street, you end up going to a local

:49:48. > :49:54.double, John Adam Street, you can make that look like Number Ten

:49:54. > :49:57.quite easily. Kevin, do think it would be a good thing, good for the

:49:57. > :50:03.Westminster World to feature a bit more highly perhaps in some of

:50:03. > :50:07.these very high profile films? would love to see the Queen, and a

:50:07. > :50:11.big Opening Ceremony star, parachuting into Prime Minister's

:50:11. > :50:16.questions. It is a fantastic building and it will cost hundreds

:50:16. > :50:20.of millions to put it right. If you can make a movie money, fantastic.

:50:20. > :50:25.As long as it is not a late-night dodgy movie on the Speaker's chair,

:50:25. > :50:30.it is fine. The downside is for Manchester's Town Hall, because

:50:31. > :50:36.it's wonderful sweeping staircases often double as the House of

:50:36. > :50:40.Commons. There are lots of parts of Parliament that would make

:50:40. > :50:49.fantastic locations. There are some great shots in the film, the

:50:49. > :50:57.rooftops and the gutters. The MoD, yeah. On the roof of the MoD, that

:50:57. > :51:01.was a mind? -- that was a good one. We were thinking of the Thirty nine

:51:01. > :51:05.Steps, the guy hanging off one of the hands of the clock on Big Ben,

:51:05. > :51:10.that was mocked up. You have a scenario you would like to film in

:51:10. > :51:14.Westminster? It is just the chambers and corridors and

:51:14. > :51:18.staircases. I mean, I have never scouted it. I have scuppered some

:51:18. > :51:22.fantastic locations that the average person would not be able to

:51:22. > :51:28.get inside. -- scouted. Just to have the permission to go inside

:51:28. > :51:32.and see what is there, it is an amazing listed building, and you

:51:32. > :51:36.know, weekends, bank holidays, national holidays and so on, it is

:51:36. > :51:41.available, and that is when we do a lot of filming. I go in most days,

:51:41. > :51:46.and it is only when you take an outsider in that you see what a

:51:46. > :51:49.wonderful building the front Palace is. It is quite a labyrinth. There

:51:49. > :51:56.are terrific rooms, the Drew Ginn room, the House of Lords, the

:51:56. > :52:00.Commons. Another big hope is that if they phone the next Bond movie

:52:00. > :52:05.there, they may need a few cameo roles for political

:52:05. > :52:12.correspondence... Can we do the deal now? We cannot afford MPs,

:52:12. > :52:15.their rates would be too high for us, I am sure! It has been another

:52:15. > :52:20.busy political week with rebellions over Europe, as we have been

:52:20. > :52:23.discussing, spats over energy policy, and the return of a big

:52:23. > :52:33.Westminster these. Here is Susanna with a round-up of the last seven

:52:33. > :52:33.

:52:33. > :52:39.Tarzan swung back into action this week, telling Dave that people do

:52:39. > :52:43.not think he had a strategy for growth, but never fear, and 89 a

:52:43. > :52:50.point plan for getting the country up and running. They've had t'other

:52:50. > :52:57.troubles on his hands and the Westminster jungle as they teamed

:52:57. > :53:03.up with the enemy. -- Dave had tuk- tuk troubles. He is weak abroad,

:53:03. > :53:07.week at home, it is John Major all over again. Ever get the feeling

:53:07. > :53:10.that the coalition is blowing in different directions? First the

:53:10. > :53:15.Tory energy minister said the UK had had enough of wind farms, but

:53:15. > :53:19.then Ed Davey blew that a wave. am in charge of renewable policy,

:53:19. > :53:24.and the policy has not changed. wind power was blowing the

:53:24. > :53:29.political razed of the White House of course, campaigning star Das

:53:29. > :53:38.Hurricane Sandy swept in, but with just four days to go, it is back to

:53:38. > :53:42.business. -- campaigning stopped as. Back to business, that crucial last

:53:42. > :53:47.phase of the American presidential elections, and we are joined now to

:53:47. > :53:52.look at all of this with the London bureau chief of the Wall Street

:53:52. > :53:57.Journal. Thank you very much indeed for coming in. We have had this

:53:57. > :54:02.extraordinary few days whereby we have had a National Natural

:54:02. > :54:07.Disaster, somehow wrapped up with the final phase of the presidential

:54:08. > :54:12.elections. How do you think it has played? Well, it is probably not

:54:12. > :54:17.good news for Mitt Romney. The storm sweeps in, obviously it is a

:54:17. > :54:23.terrible tragedy. The President has the opportunity to look very

:54:23. > :54:27.presidential, as he goes around New Jersey, and he had the added

:54:27. > :54:31.benefit of getting to go on this tour of New Jersey and hug victims,

:54:31. > :54:34.along with Governor Chris Christie, a Republican who was at one time

:54:34. > :54:39.thought to be a potential running mate for Mitt Romney. So this has

:54:39. > :54:45.not been the greatest sequence of events for the Republican candidate.

:54:45. > :54:49.And Chris Christie, as you say, a major figure in Europe and said he

:54:49. > :54:54.thought the President was doing a fantastic job. -- a major figure in

:54:54. > :54:58.the Republican Party. Mitt Romney had earlier made statements about

:54:58. > :55:02.his plan to dismantle the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which

:55:02. > :55:06.is the one which co-ordinates all these big disasters among different

:55:06. > :55:10.states. So he was asked about that afterwards, his campaign did not

:55:10. > :55:14.back away from his earlier statement, so again timing is

:55:14. > :55:18.everything, and his timing was not good. And although there has been a

:55:18. > :55:24.huge loss of life and there has been a widescale destruction along

:55:24. > :55:29.that these costs, President Obama seems generally to be getting a lot

:55:29. > :55:34.of credit from voters for his handling of this. Yes, he does, and

:55:34. > :55:37.you know, it is always a tough situation to step in. You do not

:55:37. > :55:42.want to turn this into a politically charged situation, and

:55:42. > :55:45.they did, I think, a pretty nimble job of not making it look like they

:55:45. > :55:49.were being opportunistic. He also got the advantage with the clock

:55:49. > :55:53.ticking down, he had already started to turn the momentum back

:55:53. > :55:57.in his direction, and then a pause button was hit on the election

:55:57. > :56:02.because nobody felt like they could campaign, and certainly not

:56:02. > :56:07.campaign aggressively. Bronwen, where do think we are at now, with

:56:07. > :56:12.just a few days to go and things looking very close? Well, I think

:56:12. > :56:18.Barack Obama is probably just ahead. I am one of many watching it, but

:56:18. > :56:22.if you look at Ohio, which a month and a half ago was six points for

:56:22. > :56:26.Obama, then it went down to pretty much neck and neck, it has opened

:56:26. > :56:30.up again. That is one of the key states were this will be determined.

:56:30. > :56:35.There are signs pointing in his favour, and the storm has been

:56:35. > :56:38.great for him, but it is close. Kevin Kammer how do you think it is

:56:38. > :56:42.going to impact on British politics? Politicians here are

:56:42. > :56:46.watching very closely. David Cameron, you would think, the

:56:46. > :56:50.Conservatives are allied with the Republicans, but he gets on very

:56:50. > :56:54.well with Obama, and he would be quite happy with business as usual

:56:54. > :57:03.in the White House, clearly that is the position of the Liberal

:57:04. > :57:07.Democrats and Labour. You cannot read much -- the political class --

:57:07. > :57:11.you cannot read much of the American situation back into the UK,

:57:11. > :57:18.but the political class would be reasonably happy with Obama still

:57:18. > :57:22.in the White Horse. -- the White House. Mitt Romney's visited just

:57:22. > :57:27.before the Olympics was not a great moment of try to set up foreign

:57:27. > :57:33.policy, because he speculated that the might not have been up to snuff

:57:33. > :57:39.and then everything went fantastic. -- the Olympic security plan might

:57:40. > :57:44.not have been up to snuff and then everything went fantastic. The

:57:44. > :57:50.Obama campaign has effectively drawn a line under that now, from

:57:51. > :57:56.the second debate forwards, in many of the swing states, we see the

:57:56. > :57:59.toss-up states trending back to Obama. And the last bits of

:57:59. > :58:04.frenetic campaigning are going on now. Thank you very much for

:58:04. > :58:10.joining as. Just time before we go to find out the answer to the quiz,

:58:10. > :58:16.and the answer was... The question, of course, was which stuffed animal

:58:17. > :58:23.has William Hague spent �10,000 renovating? Badger, Stagg, anaconda

:58:23. > :58:26.or meerkat? I'm sure you have done your homework. You have not got

:58:26. > :58:33.Eric Pickles on that list! answer... It is the snake, isn't

:58:33. > :58:37.it? It is indeed the snake, in fact we can see it there. Extraordinary,

:58:37. > :58:43.the amount of money that was spent, this was a gift to one of the

:58:43. > :58:48.foreign embassies. On that note... Priorities, that is what politics